Call Her Daddy - Girl Talk: Drinking with Cazzie David

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

This week, Father Cooper is joined by Cazzie David. Recently, the girls reached a milestone in their friendship…they went on vacation together. Alex and Cazzie debrief their Cabo trip and breakdown their first ever fight. Did Alex commit the largest possible vacation sin or is Cazzie just being dramatic? Right when it seems the tension has died down, Alex calls Cazzie out…for her cameo in a Hannah Montana episode (low blow?). At least the girls can agree on one thing - their love for reality television. If they were cast on the bachelor, what would their strategy be? Would Alex show up in sweats? In this rollercoaster ride of an episode Alex and Cazzie take us through MANY topics and constantly have us wondering…do they hate each other? Are they being serious or sarcastic? Guess you’ll just have to listen and decide for yourself. Enjoy!

what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy i'm never this excited to podcast with anyone that's so fucking not true yeah that isn't true oh my no no i feel the most comfortable with you you're literally quaking we're going to sit normally we're going to talk i normal like even when you go to a party you have one thing in your head like you could maybe say to someone yeah we have a lot to say no i have like nothing to say you have facts to tell us remember when you told me you have no idea how to use a microphone when you showed up to podcasts at my house for the first time you literally were like this you were and

your mouth was under the mic and you're like you guys not really feeling right but this should be good yeah you guys told me to do that guys you don't want to do pilates at 4 15 we don't have time okay so i have to cancel it dude last night kazi asked me if i wanted to do pilates with her and i said when and she said 4 15 to which i said no we're podcasting at three and i was kind of hoping you would be like okay let's just cancel podcasting we're back baby can you do the thing where you go we're back at it again yeah do you want to try it do you do it every time or no no i usually only do it for solos i don't do it in interviews because that would be weird yeah and you hey um i only do it for solos when i'm like alone and i'm not like on camera because i don't want people to like see my face i'm like self-aware enough to know like that.

Do you ever redo it like a bunch of times because it doesn't feel like. No, I feel like that's the one good thing I can do in podcasting and the rest goes to shit. For sure. I can be like back at it again and then I don't know what I'm saying. Yeah. Okay, wait, let's take a sip of our drink to friends who love each other but don't trust each other. Cheers. Cheers. who love each other but don't trust each other cheers cheers

i have nothing that should exploit you you know me now right first of all welcome back to another episode of call her daddy mini episode what mini episode no this is this is a two-part series okay i just want to be super clear where i'm coming from in this like i don't know what you're gonna do because again i don't fully trust you what i was told is like hey come over're going to like answer some fan questions. Fun. No pressure. No, you started that because you messaged me on Instagram and I had said something about like, oh, people want questions back. And you were like, oh, like that is a version that I would do with you. Right.

Which I was like, yeah, there's questions in here today. Okay. At the very end, there's like one. Yeah, this was slightly deceptive. Again. Anything to get you here. Not totally surprised. The first time we podcast together you

were like a genuine guest today you're returning as a friend of the show fuck yeah i like i like the sound of that can you introduce yourself and like what you're about your morals your values your goals oh yeah no that should be easy my name is kazzy david and i am your least favorite guest that you've ever had and i'm back at it again there's only a couple people that have been on multiple times on the show your least favorites though it's all i'm in a bind where i'm like i need a guest and i can't get a big one so i'm like i'm happy to be your like last resort yeah that's fine with me i mean just for the i really like you yeah yeah but like yeah there's some things where i'm like that's questionable same yeah about me totally like what is it for for you about me that you discovered um

i feel you have something on your mind but you like don't know whether it's going to offend me or not. And let me tell you, it will. No, I was thinking about our Cabo trip, which I think we should just like talk about because it's so sad, guys. We recorded not an entire podcast, but we recorded a podcast in Cabo. Kazzy and I went on a trip together and we got in a fight. We didn't. We didn't really get in a fight. You said I was gaslighting you. No, I don't use that word lightly. Let's explain the situation. So Kazzy and I were going to Cabo. Lauren came with me.

You had friends coming with you. We're all going to Cabo. We're all staying in a house together. We've hung out in LA. We've done dinners. We've like pre-gamed and gone out together. So we go to Cabo and I wore this on the plane we all wore sweats on the plane yep and then some of us changed after we got off the plane washed our clothes all of us showered

and then some of us put our plane clothes back onto our bodies and then some of us did not I did not you did and I was quite shocked when I saw you in your plain clothes again after you had showered. I don't pack well and I did a carry-on for this trip. So I could not be the annoying asshole that like checked the bag. I also did a carry-on. Okay.

I don't think there's excuses. I think there are people who are okay with us and people who aren't. And both are fine. However, I think you are under the impression that like you were like, oh yeah, I forgot you're a germaphobe. And I was like, I don't really feel the impression that like you were like, oh, yeah, I forgot you're a germaphobe.

And I was like, I don't really feel like that's like even a germaphobe thing. I feel like most people would never put their plain clothes back on after they've showered. So that could be true. And I understand that logic. Great. Because I've like gotten in a fight with my boyfriend about that. Like when we came home from a trip one day and like the next day I was wearing like a similar colored sweatsuit.

And he was like, are you seriously wearing the same clothes from the plane? Were you actually? No. And I like freaked out on him because I'm like, well, you clearly weren't paying a fucking attention to what I was wearing yesterday because this is a different colored purple sweatsuit. But he gets really grossed out by it. I was raised where my mom didn't care about that stuff and was like i think you're going to be

healthier when you grow up because if you like eat dirt off the ground like your immune system is better so like germs and shit like that does not gross me out and my grandmother lived to like 99 i am in life just cruising through and i don't get sick a lot and i get it's gross but like what is gross about it first of all you're getting the germs already but we're both sitting here and i'm okay did you get sick after kaba it's not really about being sick it's more just about like nasty it's just you're you're in one of the dirtiest places that exist though yeah yeah i don't know factually if it is that was a moment that we were like, like this is this could like make or break because you were like, damn, like she's nasty.

And like, does it looks like she doesn't like is not clean. I don't know. First of all, I respect you. And I think you're a very clean, dirty person, if that makes sense. I think you can be a dirty, dirty person or I think you can be a clean, dirty person. I also think you can be a dirty, clean person. I think you can be a clean, dirty person. I also think you can be a dirty, clean person. What? Like, I think we're both messy.

Yeah, we are. Yeah. But you're a clean, clean. I'm a clean, dirty. I'm clean and messy. Clean and messy. Yeah. And what did you say I am?

I think it's possible you're a clean, dirty. But you're still clean and you're still coming off like you're clean. You always look clean. Okay. Even though you're literally wearing a sweats're still coming off like you're clean you always look clean okay even though you're literally wearing a sweatsuit off the plane yeah okay which is the dirtiest thing okay because you have i feel like that's gonna offend someone like dirt like the word dirty is probably like who cares now we're gonna get canceled because we're calling people dirty you are if you if you feel insulted by that look inward clearly it's hitting home we did have a conversation that we did agree on which was people that wear shorts on the plane

i think shorts is something that most people agree with shorts on a plane um flip-flops yeah that's obviously a no have you ever taken your shoes off on the plane but kept your socks on no no no um actually yeah probably probably if i'm like trying to get cozy and it's a long flight yeah yeah yeah okay so you're okay with that yeah well i get this thing where like i get a lot of anxiety in my feet like my feet get numb oh so i'm constantly having to move them around and like hold them hold them um so i often have to take my shoes off you would want to die on a plane i wouldn. You would want to die on a plane. I wouldn't say I want to die on a plane. But if you're going to go down.

I have acceptance. Like you think anytime there's turbulence on a plane that you're like, that's your first thought, right? No. It's not. No. Are you the kind of person that's like, oh, it's just like a bump in the road? I'm just kind of like whatever happens.

I don't really care. It wouldn't really cross your mind. I feel like it's the natural first thought to have. When turbulence has happened before, like I've quite literally been like eating something on my way to russia why was i going to russia that's a long story a long time ago but i was on my way to russia and there was such bad turbulence and we were all eating our dinner and my mashed potatoes and everyone's food just went up in the air and like literally stuck to the top it was that bad of turbulence and i was like this is annoying but i wasn't thinking i was gonna die because i think i just don't let my head go to that place oh it's first place i go but you think it would

be okay to die if you're gonna die on a plane yeah i think there's a a genus to it yeah you kind of are you know shrouded in a little bit of mystery for years to come after your death yeah yeah what happened why her hopefully you cut all of this no i'm gonna keep it all in the reason the plane closed was an interesting conversation i think is because we seem to come from very different places i thought it was just a common thing amongst everyone that you don't do that and it seemed like you had only heard about that once or twice from me and your boyfriend yeah you've chalked it up to like us being like jewish and german folks yeah i don't think it's just judaism then we tried to blame it on you growing up richer than us yeah no not a class thing this is not a class

system very upsetting you're like don't make this about money this is nothing to do with money which i then came to agree with you i mean we'll see maybe you'll get a lot of dms being like it's 100 money like wow yeah she grew up too privileged yeah who knows I could be wrong that is kind of funny I think it's gross I think that it's a gross thing that everyone of all backgrounds will agree with most people may veer towards your side but I just want everyone to know like I'm a good person it wasn't like I love the smell of my plane she was I also want to just say that she was in bed in the plane sweats in bed just like cozying up getting ready for bed snuggling herself in the plane clothes and lauren was doing the same yeah the two of you the two of you it was really crazy yeah so i think that

was your first moment of like what because again what we're talking about is like we went on our first trip together and i think like i don't know I feel like you and I have had a weird relationship where like immediately we did we're like oh okay like we like each other and we're both we have similar opinions on a lot of things yeah and and we agree on a lot and we trust each other's opinions yeah and we hate most people yeah like we're very ruthless behind the scenes but we would never say that on this podcast because we're trying to yeah like we're very ruthless behind the scenes but we would never say that on this podcast because we're trying to give like yeah great girl energy we are great girls and we are likable and not mean and we if anything we shit on ourselves mostly someone

sent me this article on how gossip was like this thing that this is like a study a viral thing at some point but it was a thing that like women how women helped each other to like avoid bad people or bad men and because by talking about the things that they're like experiencing and talking shit about people they were able to like understand other people's psychology better in order to help them you know like avoid danger i mean we'll run with it it's like my mom sent me an article and it was like people that use the f word the most are like some of the most intelligent people in the world like if you use profanity then you are like functioning with a higher iq than others i disagree i disagree with that oh okay have you ever seen a

like when comedians like rely on the f word too much it's very it's cheating dude did i thought not that i don't use it go off the subject but i thought amy schumer was so fucking good oh yeah at the oscars that moment when she walked in and she was just like the vibe is like a little different like doing this something she was iconic i saw you in her show by the way this is how you know i'm a good fucking friend are you ready for this it was like a sunday i'm sitting at home and my mom had texted me being like oh my god did you watch Amy Schumer's new show Kazzy's in it that's so weird she even saw me it's literally a I know you're it's literally like if you blink and you miss her guys you know I have a single line do

you want to know what I did what I fast forwarded great through the first four episodes until i would find you i'm not kidding you i sat there for over 30 minutes like that's a good friend because i wanted to see you in the show maybe you wanted to like see how bad i was yeah i was trying to see like what is she like i'm not gonna lie i fast forward for like things that i want to like hate on yeah yeah yeah i fast forwarded to you you were trying to do your one line that's so it was too quick you couldn't hate on it maybe you know you couldn't i don't know i i know it was good and like you guys were good you just basically you were i remember the line you were like wow you like really got dressed up for this right the funniest thing about shooting that because i literally had a single line but in the in the script it said like you know the character's

name not wearing any makeup because she doesn't have to and obviously when I get to the makeup chair I'm like obviously I'm not this girl that they wrote you're gonna have to put some makeup on me right and I get to set and we're like about to shoot. It was like the last shot of the night. Everyone was so tired. And there's like a light shining on me. We're like about to start. Now you're like in the position where you're just like, I feel so ugly. And then I just like ran to a port-a-potty and like put more makeup on because I was like so scared. Well, thank God it was dark.

It was dark. And we couldn't see how bad you fully looked. We only got a quick glimpse. No, and it was just a wide shot. It wasn't bad. Yeah, it was wide. You didn we couldn't see how bad you fully looked we only got a quick glimpse no and it was just a wide shot it wasn't bad yeah it was wide you didn't get your close up so do you remember in the first podcast we did i like ambushed you and i was like hey like i saw you talk shit on me on the internet yeah i remember i showed you and you were like please stop and you were like mimicking my voice which i think was so rightfully you came for me it was so annoying the way it was actually a really unoriginal take yeah like yeah like do better seriously it wasn't that it was actually i'm embarrassed of

that i made fun of you when it's like yeah yeah that's a great way to look it was so easy that is so embarrassing that you did that now that yeah let's change it that narrative so embarrassing to anyone that doesn't know kazzy was on an episode of hannah montana when she was younger uh-huh yeah and when every time i watch it it gets better because i was watching you are you mad i'm bringing this up it's just the more i just know that it's just gonna lead people to looking it up and like all my biggest thing is that like I would if I could take any video off of YouTube it'd be that and there's a lot yeah wait it might be that one um I mean I did I explain the story behind it on the first one I don't remember I didn't no can you explain I guess. Go ahead. My dad was like the nicest dad in the world.

Did too much. Like when I'm a parent, if my kid really wants to do something, I'm going to say no, because you're going to be embarrassed about when you're older. This was not something I wanted to do. But my sister was a like obsessed Hannah Montana fan, obsessed with her. like every time i passed by her room she was singing hannah montana and i actually resented the show because my sister was so annoying about it but my dad took my sister to like the audience one day to like watch the show yeah and they asked him later if he wanted to be on an episode and instead of saying

no and then never telling my sister about it which he probably should have right he probably consulted with my mom and they probably talked about it and said it would make her so happy you don't need to make a eight-year-old happy eight how old was she 13 she'll be 10 11 you don't need to make an 11 year old that happy and then it was like kazzy please come what come i thought it was an extra i thought it was an extra my sister begged me to come so i did and we get to set the hannah montana set and i'm i'm miserable i'm 13 and miserable and we get to the set and we're like in hair and makeup i can't really imagine them actually putting hair and makeup on me because you saw what i looked like but i remember being in a trailer

sitting and someone handing me a script and i see the line and it says i actually like have blacked it out because the line makes me like to my core like i my punishment should be death it was like larry david's my dad who the fuck knows no it's you guys couldn't get a seat whatever you don't need to we don't need to go let me tell it's literally hannah montana is not in there yet and larry david is standing there and he's like oh we're here for dinner and you two are standing next to your dad and he's like no we don't have a table and then your sister your dad is like it's her birthday and then your sister is like no it's not can you tell i've watched this a million times and then finally like come on can we get a seat And then your sister, your dad is like, it's her birthday. And then your sister is like, no, it's not.

Can you tell I've watched this a million times? And then finally, like, come on, can we get a seat? And Kazzy looks at the fucking hostess and goes, he's Larry David. He created Seinfeld. You're like, you can tell, though, you're so annoyed to be there. Your demeanor is you want to crawl into a hole and die. Like, even the way your delivery, like, he's Larry David. I mean, that's probably a combination of hole and die like even the way your delivery like he's Larry David I mean that's probably a combination of that and like horrible acting yeah but I will say I saw this line and I was so so upset I was crying I I didn't know what to do I had a panic attack

you know you don't know like logistics of things like I probably could have like gotten out of it and then I ended up just like going and I had to I felt like I had to do it because like it was too late what happened when it aired was it really traumatizing for you did a lot of people notice it was like I remember it like my friends made fun of me like people I knew made fun of me. It was like an easy thing to make fun of me about because, but only because they knew that I would hate something like that. So people were like hating on me because they knew I like didn't want to do it.

We should take a screenshot of how many views it has now. And then when we upload this, let's see how many more views. But listen, Alex, I know you like post some fucking bullshit bullshit stories like you're constantly posting like just like rogue stories if you post a screenshot from that i'll be very upset i don't want to draw more attention to it no i won't do that you have this conversation just let them do it themselves sure i think truly people you're too hard on yourself i think people are gonna like like you more. No. They'll definitely not like me more from this podcast. No, that's not true.

Okay, so we went through basically the fact that we had a successful vacation together. We came out not annoyed at each other. Thank you. You should have brought my bucket hat. We didn't get sick of each other. We took cute pics. We took some cute pics. You kind of died when I was trying to take a couple tiktoks yeah it's tough because

you know it's hard to as we were talking about earnestly be in a tiktok people can't know that you're in it ironically if that is what you're doing or if you're just getting caught in the background. It's hard not to get caught in the background of yours because you're doing like constant 360s. Purposeful. Yeah. I feel like we you're in a good position because you can have a TikTok and like it makes total sense. But I will never like lip sync. Yeah.

I think we talked about how like the new thirst trap feels like the lip syncing audio. While you look good. While you like pose and show your outfits. I had a thought the other day, I watched someone do it and I will say, I've done it like a couple times where, cause it's genuinely me just feeling like shit.

And I'm like, oh, knowing I look bad, I need to acknowledge. But I started to watch other people and then it made me realize i'm never gonna do this again have you seen videos when people are like just ignore what i look like right now like i don't have makeup on but that's not the point and they like make a disclaimer before they then proceed to be in their video it's such a turnoff when i see a woman doing it because it's like you don't need to explain yourself for why you look the way you look right now,

which is when you think about it, we know we can see, you don't have makeup on. If none of us wore makeup, it's the same as all of us wearing makeup. That's a good point. But if some of us wear makeup and some of us don't, it creates an unequal society.

All of us wearing makeup. We still look the same as if none of us were wearing makeup does that make sense maybe not to other people but i understand what you're saying okay and that's upsetting to me that we can't all agree to just not i definitely feel like the pandemic made me realize like i don't need to wear as much makeup i've also had a really weird like like relationship to makeup because i for a while when i look back at the early days when i worked at barstool it's the most shocking thing to me how much i overlined my lips and how much like makeup and contour i was doing because i was so going for that like barbie

doll look because i worked at barstool i was trying to be like the blonde bombshell-y girl and i look back and I cringe when I see photos of myself. I think anything anyone does like even a year ago is embarrassing like I'm embarrassed of who I was on this podcast which is now in the past it's everything that you've already done is embarrassing like who I was two years ago is humiliating who I was a week ago is embarrassing like the things we did is it's so embarrassing we hook you up with that therapist no I'm still waiting like where is she okay we're gonna do a game called my phone exposed me I haven't read any of these so

what is your most recently deleted photo oh god it's probably like a screenshot of someone's text that i deleted because i was scared that it would accidentally post on instagram for no reason that's such an irrational fear recently deleted oh my god this is so fucking cute it's literally me trying to get a photo of the show to send it to you that's nice i was watching life of beth that's a friend you guys that is so cute and i was like gonna send it to you but then i was also like maybe it's just creepy that i'm like it doesn't matter like she doesn't care i feel like we're on we should never we should never overthink our texts to each other no we shouldn't i used to get like a little anxious when you wouldn't respond to me for a day and now it's just like we're used to say that that was like

that's when I think we we really took our relationship the next level when Kazzy and I had an open conversation and we were genuine and honest with each other we were vulnerable and Kazzy opened up about how when I don't respond to her texts she feels a little uneasy do you feel uneasy when like someone you just feel like someone's maybe mad at you no I think you have that complex I never think someone's mad at me if I know I didn't do anything yeah but you are constantly thinking someone's mad at you constantly why my imagination can come up with almost anything yeah that leaves me in like a bad position yeah I think if I send a risky text absolutely yeah but if I just am like hey what are you doing tonight you never think that someone that I could have had

a dinner with someone and and they could have said something really bad about you and it's made me look at you differently. No because I know I'm a great person. Do you want to do this TikTok thing? TikTok made me do it. What is that? This is good. Okay. Things that we have become either obsessed with learned or bought because of tiktok so let's say a random fact that you've learned from tiktok so i saw so much of this like gua sha bullshit the amount of time that's wasted on us like perfecting our cheekbones or something that's so just doesn't fucking matter do you think the gua sha thing works like i literally broke out so much and then i felt like it made my face look like fucked up like i looked like really why do you think you were you doing it with nothing on your face i was doing it with face wash and have you ever shaved your face you know those things mike or

what is it called oh i saw that on tiktok too i tried it do you think your hair grows back more on your face no because i'm very like fair but i don't like the little stubbles it's leaving me what's the most embarrassing thing your boyfriend could walk in on you doing in the bathroom i i was gonna say like pooping but like but like it's not even pooping like we i feel like women do like way if i had fully let my eyebrows like i've said that like go undyed and if i was like fully like casper the ghost like him seeing your true nature your true face how about that how dark is that my boyfriend doesn't even know what i really look like without eyebrows yeah but then finally i think we've gotten to

a better place a built rapport that i can trust that like he won't leave me just because of the lack of color on on my hair have you ever asked your boyfriend to put a tampon in for you not in but like i've gotten scared that a tampon stuck in me and sometimes I'm like too freaked out to even begin the process of try and look myself does he take a flashlight I'm not kidding Kazzy just like the idea of like is he finding one is scary so you just want them to go in be like there's nothing there's nothing there and then just put it did he just put his fingers up yeah just a finger no tampon this happened to me literally last week my entire team was involved in it I was convinced I had a tampon in there and I went to the gyno of course I had having a vagina

it's like people don't talk about this it's literally just like a hole we don't know I could have a tampon in right now I'm so scared I. I'm so scared. There's going to be anything in there. We don't know. No. If something starts growing on the penis, you see it. You don't know what's happening in your vagina. You think like, how is that possible? And then you have a vagina and it's more than possible because maybe you're going, you're a little light on your period.

So you're like, oh, I'm going to take it out. I don't need it for a few hours. Then you're going to put another one back in and be like, did I take it out? You're supposed to remember every single time you've taken out the tampon. And put another one in? It's impossible. What if you wanted to take a break and you put a pad on? The whole period, the whole time you're on your period, it's constant anxiety.

And then the week after, you're a little scared that there's still maybe a tampon in you that you forgot about. And then you're too scared to even check because you don't. It would be so scary to find terrifying um okay a life hack that you've learned from tiktok oh a fact wait we said you said a fact was the gua sha thing but you went on a fucking rant the fact a fact that i've learned i've learned or a hack did you know how to put a trash bag in the trash can correctly you know how you always like go like this to get the trash bag open and then you shove it in yeah okay you open it shake it put it in yeah no so what are

you supposed to do you're supposed to just take the like lips of the trash can and you just you literally just put it around the rim of the trash can okay and then you just shove the paper downwards who cares what the right way is they both work saves you inks no this is so stupid and this is why tiktok sucks no it teaches you things to like save time i don't understand what is something you've bought from tiktok um something you've bought from tiktok i just bought something i'm actually not embarrassed about it i bought those hair rollers i want to try them i have such naturally straight hair and sometimes when i use a curling iron it looks a little too yeah so i'm trying i want to try it because i've seen girls and it's looking good. What I'm upset about recently on TikTok is that everyone is doing the things that we all like shit on adults for doing on Facebook.

Like what? Which is like explaining like what they just did. And everyone was like, nobody cares. Like Aunt Susan. This is how I make a smoothie. This is how I fold my clothes in my drawer. The time we're all wasting is so upsetting to me. And I can't believe we're all talking about it.

TikTok started in the pandemic of people just like being funny. Right. But when did it become like a self-help people doing like hacks? It's all how to. And then it's just like, I mean, that whole that girl thing went like so viral. It was ridiculous. And then there was like all of the opinions about how that girl is actually toxic. And then all of the opinions about how that girl.

Isn't it crazy there's nothing ever about guys? It's so dumb. But the problem with it is that actually these people who are recording those like day in the life, like smoothie, gratitude journal, all this. It's like think about the day in the life actually making that video. You are literally on your phone for 10 hours straight. That's the day in the life of that girl, literally being on your phone for 10 hours. And then all of us are just subjected

to like watching everything for 10 hours. I just feel like none of us have a real life. I feel like I don't remember anything from the last like five years because I've been on my phone this whole time it's so dark no i'm really freaked out i had that moment on tiktok the other day where i was like we i actually don't recall one thing i just watched and i've been watching tiktoks for an hour does anyone have a hold on their life like i literally don't know what my life is like i'm not even in my own life it's got just got really deep i need that therapist number you do but do you feel

like you have a control over how much time you spend on the phone like truly yeah so i recently felt so good about myself because so everyone has a fake account right right Kazzy's like don't make me admit it yeah so everyone has a fake account if you don't kudos to you can't even fathom so I've had multiple fake accounts and I remember on my fake account all the way back in the day when I used to date this guy I quite literally would follow his exes and I still follow them to this day. And I'm like invested in their journey. Like how are they doing one? Just got engaged. I am in it. But I realized what do I feel when I go on my fake account? Like shit. And so I for the first time in years, I deleted my fake account two weeks ago and my life since then

has been exponentially better that sounds like a crazy statement but I'm not kidding I have no idea what any of these people from my past are doing and it's so nice to like sometimes I'll like oh I I'm like almost like have like reflexes like oh I want to go like watch it but I'm like no why would I do that and the same thing goes for TikTok it's just so much harder to go like watch it but i'm like no why would i do that and the same thing goes for tiktok it's just so much harder to just like choose happiness and choose like ignorance right over the things you want to know about then it's then it sounds like do you remember bones the dog or whatever what this is exactly i'm talking about this was like a super viral thing that everyone knew about because they were on tiktok and then it goes away and that's

the next thing right yeah and it's like remember the renegade you are actually up to date like i could not go on tiktok for six months and then if i go on it for one day i'll get up to date because no one's talking about what happened like three months ago on tiktok none of it matters at all what do we do that's everyone's spiraling listening it's like okay can you guys give us some advice how do we move forward no i don't know i'm actually like really it's been something i've been thinking about so much and what's really sad is that i feel like our generation also was supposed to be this like huge like movement like we were supposed to be activists and like save the world like there was

a time where we all thought we were gonna like save the world like gen z was gonna save the world and i was trying to do research on this the other day and it literally was like gen z is the most sustainable generation ever like they care about sustainability and it's like i think it's true that we all care about it to some degree but we have to consume more than anyone else ever like it just feels like we're constantly consuming things like every time i go on tiktok people are buying stuff that's all we do and it's like one little lipstick that you ordered that like shipped from across the world like i don't know it really upsets me but like i'm also

like in the same thing like i also feel like one of these people right you're not saying you're any better dude you know what's so interesting that's such a good point because i was just having this conversation with someone the other day we were talking about social anxiety and someone that was older than me was like oh like i said something about like having social anxiety like uploading something onto the internet and she was like that's not social anxiety and I was like I totally get that for the older generation that's not but for our generation uploading something to the internet that is now social posting something is social and I'm not saying you should feel embarrassed but like I

get why kids go into school the next day and are embarrassed if they did post that TikTok then it does affect their actual social life because then people are like oh cool makeup routine you did jessica like you looked like a fucking loser and people are like what like do you know what i'm saying it's like we now have two levels of social anxiety where it's like what you're posting on literal social does affect then your social life even just down to the basics of like if you post a picture of yourself and you know like girls that don't look that way in actual real life the social media then creates social anxiety in real world because their social life is fake as fuck also we all judge everyone's social media presence yes but i think what's actually fucked up about it

is that none of us are able to actually like live a true authentic life yes where you are present in your own life because we're so foggy from looking at pictures of other people it's an addiction i find myself like the other day I had a full migraine which I have never gotten these in my life and I was like okay like I know the cure to a migraine is to sit in a dark room not look at a screen and drink some water and I'm laying in my bed and I could not help myself but pick up my phone multiple times and I had to be like what the fuck am I doing the concept of sitting alone with your thoughts you have to so actively try to be like no for 10 minutes like especially if you're if you're it doesn't even be creative like if you have a job that it's like hey you've got a marketing pitch

in a couple weeks like you should sit and think about it but you're definitely picking up your phone and scrolling and doing some dumb shit I think there's nothing new about what we're saying in terms of like we're addicted to our phones like yes yeah but i think the idea that like none of us are actually like living our lives and like will we even have like real memories once we're like a certain age and we'll have all been a blur because we were like that's really fucking scary yeah when you say it like that anyways sorry to be depressing i'm sure you'll cut all this and this is saying there'll be nothing left when we were in cabo what i learned about you on our trip together was that you like reality tv and i think that helped progress our relationship

to another level because i feel a little alone in this life that i'm living in terms of my excitement for reality tv and no one around me likes it and when you were like have you seen the bachelor did you watch like the finale finale it was like a big moment i think for us because then when we left that trip then we got to text about the finale yeah do you prefer the bachelor or the bachelorette that's a good question oh i mean i. It's such an obvious answer. It's The Bachelor. Yeah. If you were on The Bachelor, you get out of the limo.

What are you wearing? And what is your opening line? First of all, I just want to say that there has never in the history of The Bachelor ever been a sarcastic girl. Period. There's never been a sarcastic girl period there's never been a sarcastic girl in the bachelor come on in kazi so i think my i would have a season i'd be the bachelorette oh she just like fully promoted herself to bachelorette i'm gonna go back i'm gonna go back i would be the first and i would pave the way for sarcastic girls. Love. Because I think sarcastic girls wouldn't normally go on The Bachelor because it's just like,

you're sarcastic. Yeah. So I would be the first sarcastic girl on The Bachelor. Love. That's your identity. Yeah. And so they'd be like, what's that? Because I don't know if they've experienced anyone being sarcastic to them.

Well, what would you wear? Let's start with that. I think I'd wear a short short dress i don't know if i'd go full gown you know i don't want to be like i'm i'm like sarcastic and different i'm like you but i'm not going to take it as seriously as you guys right because i'm sarcastic so you wouldn't show up in your lingerie get up no i would be in a short dress and that's what i would wear like bcbg i would wear an hervé leger isn't that the bcbg yeah and you would walk out and you would say what i'd say hey listen you're gonna sometimes think i'm being serious I'm always being serious but not serious at the same time it's gonna be hard for you to understand we'll do lessons you'll get the hang

of it eventually but just keep me around so you can kind of find out it's gonna take a second I'm hooked I'm I'm like first rose I'm say sorry i'm here also yeah oh that's a good one sorry i'm here yeah that's kind of my tagline like yeah sorry i'm here i enter a room and i'm like sorry i'm here like hi that's good what's your like what's your okay i think i do think when i was in college like if I had applied to be on the bachelor, I think I would have done really well. Oh my God. What?

Of course. And I, thank you. But I think that I have, um, I think what people like, it sounds like you're going to win though. Is that what you're going to do?

Or are you going to fall in love? Oh, I'm going to win. And that's, I think, what people are like. You're like a shenanigans. Yeah, no, I'm going to fucking win. And but I would never play it like the dumb villains that like allow themselves to expose themselves as being there to win.

Like, I know how to be in a room with women. I've done that my entire life in a locker room. And I also know I'm like, OK, so you have to appease the women and not let them know you're playing the game but let's be real we're all playing a game even if you're in it for love you're playing a game you're on a competition to win a dick like that's what we're doing true so I think that my approach would be I okay like who knows would I wear a ball gown maybe there's also another tactic maybe i would show up in like a first date outfit that i would actually wear on a date with him if we were going on our first date so your intro would be like this is my first day and this is what i'd be wearing

and like i'm gonna be real with you you probably will never catch me in a ball gown unless it's my wedding dress but like let's keep it real like this is our first date awkward as fuck that there's 30 other women on it but we're gonna make the most of it and i think my approach throughout a season and i don't know if they cut this out when women do it but i would constantly be breaking the wall and be like this is fucking weird there are cameras in the room let's wave to the producers hey guys we're gonna make out now and like make him feel like this is what life is gonna be like without all this bullshit around us like eye on the prize i just feel like the women get too obsessed with the concept of

like just pretend the cameras aren't there and like just focus on the connection no that's part of the game too is working the room there are producers in the room like do you know what i mean you cannot ignore a camera there it's big and it's right there uh-huh so just acknowledge it and make it part of your bit okay so you would be the sarcastic girl and what would your overall strategy be? Just being sarcastic and like, would you get in fights with girls? No, I think, I mean, I think it's a fine line. I think you see people go a little,

like, I'll tell you who did an incredible job. Tell us. Was that girl Elizabeth last season on Clayton season? Yeah. Like she never went too hard at her enemy but she stood for the truth she was completely right she knew there were people on her side that would defend her if it came down to it you never want to be your sole defender you have to know when to take a step back because when you get a little too intense about it you kind of lose like you lose people do you think that the villain gets paid oh my god they should possibly

there's like a theory that it's like the producer walks in and be like you'll get an extra 5k if you go stir that shit up right now that's amazing okay so the villain possibly gets paid. What reality TV show would you, if you had to be on one, what would you go on? Hmm. I don't know. Like,

I don't know. I don't know. Well, you have to answer. Like, I'm going to just do a cop-out answer. Like a cooking show? Like, that's a cop-out answer. You want to be on Top Chef and make your smoothie? Yeah, I don't know. Like, what?

Like, they're all the same. Like, they're literally all the same. Let's specify. What dating reality show would you want to be on love island what's your favorite i think i could thrive on love island and i think it's because which one what do you mean like uh the uk i mean i guess i'll be like the american girl and no i'm saying what's your favorite oh you okay obviously what seasons um three who's on three we said oh don what's his name dom and dom yeah i love dom love dom yeah i love season three i like four three four and five actually a lot i agree with you well i

think about people you can rally around the friend. And I think that would probably be me. Like the person that people end up liking after you get to know them. I think people like me after they get to know me. I don't think people like me before they know me. What do you think people's first impression of you always is? I mean, I don't know what their impression of me is, but I would know what mine is of me. What? Which is just like fuck you you know like

no i i wouldn't i don't we talked about this the last time i was on do you think people think fuck you no i think i would think fuck you to me why i think anyone when they're sharing their opinion like too passionately it's like yeah shut up shut up like who who asked you for like your opinion on anything like yeah and you like to give yours i've been in rooms with you like you're not telling it unless it's like your friends i'm forcing people to listen to me right now you're not forcing i'm forcing i'm the one giving you oh my god but they didn't what do you think the whole thing about the why are you giving someone a platform give me your thoughts on that that whole thing is like gen z well I think you really want to give your thoughts on it and so I'm gonna let you

give them because I think you probably are more equipped to do that than me for this I said this to someone this past week that asked me I think that we have been conditioned by social media to make such snap decisions based off of what we see like you literally see like a headline of someone and you're like i'm making a judgment it's like you didn't even read the article some people literally just read a headline and are like i have an opinion and we're so quick to dehumanize someone by what we see on social media even a picture oh she looks facetuned she's a fake cunt she's probably has so much plastic maybe her fucking friend facetuned it you don't even know you know and so i think whenever people are like don't give someone a platform. I like critical thinking.

You don't need to agree with one thing the person says that I sit down with. Sometimes I don't. But at least now you know if you came into it with a judgment, maybe you actually are leaving with the same opinion. But at least don't you feel better that you made that with an educated opinion now that you have more information? Or you change your mind well i think it's ironic because i feel like every like great interviewer favorite people to interview are villains because they're just like more interesting for people to listen to like we always want to get into the inside the

mind of bad people yeah the the platform thing it's like who cares at the end of the day isn't that what people want to listen to there's all these tv like why are we giving like all these people like netflix and hulu shows like if it's the if that's the case like why are you guys watching elizabeth holmes like why are you it totally humanizes her so like i don't know there's so many reasons why it's so detrimental to only surround yourself with like-minded concepts and not like at least hear differing opinions and then you can be like oh i know i still stand by what i thought about that person amazing it's the point of your show so it's like right and it's you're not controversial

though i don't think i mean i think i'm so irrelevant yeah i can't even be controversial yeah yeah spotify definitely is gonna reach out and be like hey let's re-evaluate like sometimes but it's a mini it's a mini yeah it's a mini okay so we i asked you all about reality tv what's your favorite song oh stop i mean alex talked about how we both openly like if anyone asks us about music we just like cringe wait why i don't know why do we do that it's just such an earnest thing maybe like it's just like it would i would have to tell the truth you know and then telling the truth like leaves you to being vulnerable it's such a like I don't even know it literally pains me in ways that like I would rather you go on a first date and they go what kind of music do you

listen to what do you say what do you say I think as I've matured i'll be like i i am able to be like i hate that question but in my past i think i used to be like i mean i kind of like everything just not like metal like no shit yeah you're like i like everything except for country that's so such a basic dumb answer why do we do that do you like music i think it's because we both low-key hate music i think there's some music we like but i think we hate answering that question because it's like not a conversation we want to have because it's not something that actually interests like i don't want to tell you what i'm like listening like it's so why is it so embarrassing it's really embarrassing i don't want to talk about what i was playing like imagine sending someone a song that you like genuinely like

loved and listened to when i've had friends be like he sent me this song i have friends that are so like oh like let me share you my playlist i have a hard like do you put on music when you're just like alone like i have share you my playlist. I have a hard like do you put on music when you're just like alone like I have a really hard time just like no actively like putting on a jam and like listening to music. If I'm in the car I will put on music. Yeah but what do you put on? No you're not supposed to ask. This is a safe space Kazi. Okay tell me what you put on like low-key i'll sometimes like truly listen to eminem like unironically like seriously because i'm like angry and i'll just like put on eminem and i will listen to it

and you're like or like paramore like i like i'll put on like my rage songs i have like some alternative to alternative bands that i used to listen to in high school that i'll like jam out to and i'm like this is ancient and this is embarrassing but then there's also like sad songs that i'll listen to if i'm like i'm in the do you ever like in the mood to like be like i want to like feel bad for myself and like just be sad i used to listen to such sad music in high school because i was like such a try hard like so now i don't listen to sad music because it just reminds me of how embarrassed I am of like soaking in your own sadness that's actually I would say progress you're so right because I used to have a full playlist called

just like sad and I would click on it and it's like mayday parade like you and Elliot Smith yeah yeah yeah and like really really sad yeah like the saddest that exists. And at that time, I had to burn CDs for myself on my way to high school. Oh, yes. That was a thing where like that was time where like we were definitely like like pretending to like music and sending it to like our boyfriends on a mixtape. Awful. And now I can't listen to like really sad songs anymore. But I do feel like my song choices, I want to keep those close to the chest yeah and

i don't feel comfortable speaking it out loud to anyone my boyfriend really early on like begged me to make him a playlist because he had like my music taste was like a mystery and like i didn't want to talk about it because i just like found it embarrassing and like finally i was like i'll make you like a playlist because you're like a cross country road trip and i i decided to make him a playlist and i just chose like songs i like ended up listening to a lot and i literally tried to like sneak onto his phone to delete the playlist because like i don't even want him to remember can you give us like two of them oh come on nickelback yeah kurt cove yeah but that's the thing is like you can be in the on in the car and like on the radio if a song comes on you could be like oh that song's really good i really like that

that's a really good song oh my god imagine someone giving you the ox cord no that's a nightmare do people dm you mean things well i think sometimes yeah like what like um like you're a pathetic jew like who literally like is not like good or funny or like attractive i don't know like you know just guess like i wouldn't have guessed that i could have guessed like you're not funny i get that all the time switch your show from fucking comedy no i don't want to do you miss college at all um like I guess I miss what like how I what could have been oh when I was in college like what what happened it turned out different I feel like for you that's not the case no no we have our buttons we can push with each other where i go at you

for finances and you know i am you're so it's so funny because on a personal level you have so much more money than i do it's not even funny but you grew up with more yeah yeah yeah that eye roll yeah dude i remember the first time that I interviewed you, which I think shows how respectful I am. I was like, I don't know if I should even like bring up her dad. And I'm like, OK, it's your dad. Like you can ask me about my mom, my dad. But I remember I was like trying to be so remember when I asked you, I was like, what would your TV show be like for your family? That was like me trying to like see if you were like comfortable with it but i think that was your answer about the celebrity kids was like fucking iconic when you're like if you're not literally lily rose depth and you're literally treated like trash i didn't say you're treated like trash i just said people hate you

yeah facts yeah so your dad never asked you to get on a rowing machine you're smart you never had to like fake oh oh oh i'm smart yeah you went to emerson no no i'm not smart i i don't know how i got into college probably nepotism slash i wrote a funny essay what was it about um it was like my life story of anxiety i think it made my sat tutor laugh I'll tell you that much dude it's so funny when you and I realized that we went to school at the same exact time in Boston and we had such different college experiences yeah did you tell that story on the podcast were you telling me your like boyfriend wouldn't let you go to parties with him yeah i once i went to one party with my boyfriend

in college and i like hadn't figured out how to like deal with my misanthropy yet and so i'd be with him at this party like being like oh my god like do you hear those people like so annoying or like oh my god like this like song is so dumb like you're just like miserable at the party and then he decided he was like never gonna take me to another party again and he was so embarrassed of me in front of his friends because like i was a miserable person and i would like make fun of things or i would be like you know complaining about basic or like observing that his friends right we were so different in college yeah and i he never took me out again and like he would come home at like three in the

morning and i would just be like in my apartment alone it was really sad do you think you had a good college experience i don't think i like really had a full college experience like i was like because you didn't get to go to your parties because your boyfriend locked you inside yeah that's really sad okay well what do you think people will take from this episode like i cannot believe you're gonna make this an episode like this is not an episode i feel like it kind of is this this is what a podcast is right two idiots talking about nothing and people accepting that. Cut whatever I just said because people are going to be. I will.

Do you have anything left to say? Daddy gang, is it okay if I address you personally? I'm really sorry. And hopefully, just pretend this didn't happen and I'll be back. I'm sorry for that too. and it'll be better next time. Bye. Bye.