Call Her Daddy - Harry Jowsey: My Wedding & Divorce

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Harry Jowsey. Harry opens up about his Let’s Marry Harry experience AKA being engaged to 20 women at the same time. He and Alex unpack the drama, the red flags, putting his heart on the line and what he learned along the way. Enjoy! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Harry Jousy, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Okay, great. I feel like this is like really different vibes. Yeah. From our normal podcasting. Yeah, it's different.

Because, no, it's just, we're in such a different places in our life. Isn't that weird? You got married and I'm pregnant. Yeah, what are we doing? We fell off. I know. No, no, no, it's crazy is, and we always talk about this, I've known you almost as long as I've known Matt.

I've known Matt a little bit longer. Oh. But you hate that. You like to say, no, it was the same day. I'm like, it wasn't the same day. It wasn't? No, but he dropped me off when I was going to record with you. Call her daddy.

What was that like seven years ago? Yeah, was it? No, 2020. I wasn't a person. So six years ago, almost seven years ago. But that's crazy. I had silver hair. Yeah.

You looked like a little cherub. And you were just so excited and eager about the industry. And now we're both And now we're cooked Crazy But the last Okay so you are someone who I would say Aside from Lauren

Because she's obviously my best friend But like you are officially The most reoccurring guest on call her daddy That's But thank you for having me Well I almost feel like it's like you and I Have had to kind of like do it a couple times Because I think the first time was like

Whoa these two are insane It was like my very barstole day still We were talking a lot about sex We were There was the classic I think it went viral when you talked about bum fluff on a girl. That's right. Yeah.

That was so fun. Oh, but it was so fun. And we were so insane. And then slowly we progressed to like being friends off of, you know, the internet and podcasting land. And then we would just yearly have updates together. And so we went from like, oh my God, he's got a girlfriend. And then like, there was a cheating scandal.

And then he has a girlfriend. And then I'm getting married. And now you got married. I'm pregnant. And we're sitting here almost eight years later together. It's crazy. What do we do? I know. Okay. So I was looking back at our last interview. And the last time I interviewed you,

you basically said, Alex, I am officially dating to marry. Like I am officially dating to marry. This is what I'm looking for. I'm done with all the F-boy stuff. And since then, you have been engaged to 20 women. I love a man with follow through. That's my dream. Is that so wild? And to live in their house with them too? I cannot believe. Leave it to you to be engaged in 20 women at once. It's also crazy because all the comments are like, oh, he only cast brunette girls. And I was like, I had no idea. I didn't even know I was going to do it. I just showed up. Okay, let's talk about this. I will never forget when you, our TV team had Unwell and Netflix all came together. We were like, Harry Jalsy needs a show. Guys, I'm not kidding you. We all sat around a table and we're

like Harry Jousey needs a show. We need this man back on TV. Yeah. And of course, we always want to push you towards hosting, which I think is where you're going to go soon, because I think we've kind of, if you have me, you can plan it. But we say we got to give him one more like, yeah, like, what's Harry's, well, what does Harry need? And we all look and we said, Harry just get married. Harry needs 20 fiancings. And so we came up with Let's Marry Harry, which is the show now that has aired on Netflix. If anyone lives under rock. Basically, you be, no, just don't talk about it. Okay. Guys, it's a little hot in here. Let me just tell you something. Your friend's pregnant. Yeah. And when as a pregnant woman, Harry, I'm running like 20 degrees hotter. Is that how it works? Yeah, oh, for me. Okay. Okay. So,

so, so, so, so picture Matt and I in bed. Yeah. He is basically in a turtleneck and mittens because I've got the house set to 61 at night. Really? And I can't even keep the covers on because I'm so hot. What? It's like that? It's a whole thing. Maybe one day you'll get a woman pregnant. Well, I try. On the show. We're going to get there. Sorry. We're going to get there. Rewind.

Okay. Keep it together. Okay. We're still wholesome so far. So far I feel like nothing we've said is too. No, can I say something really wholesome? What? Oh. Okay. No. This is real.

And I would never ever say this because we would never have the chance to. Okay. Like we would never, we wouldn't talk like this. Oh, okay. Okay, but because the whole press run that everyone's asking me about love and like what that means. And I remember at the start of the show before I was about to do it, and I'm thinking about like what I would want and like how I, like what I see is love, right? And the only two people that I think about is obviously you and Matt and Sonny andrea with their relationship. But I was thinking about it the other day.

That's so sweet. No, because the other night when we're having dinner and Matt was telling me about the brand deal, whatever else. And I was, and I realized in that moment, I was like, nothing else matters on the planet to this guy apart from the person that's sitting across from us. And in my head, I was, I think I've been searching for that because I look at you guys as like role models. I was like, this is such a beautiful, like, this is everything.

Like, for both you guys, nothing on the planet matters at all. Like, he loves you more than anything on the planet. And the whole, even yesterday and today, I was thinking about it. I was like, wow, anyone would be lucky to have half of what you guys have. First of all, you're so sweet. And I feel so happy that we have genuinely built a relationship that is on camera, always so dynamic and so fun. And we can literally talk for hours.

But I think what I, Matt and I, when we were going into this experience with you, I remember you coming over. I need to show you. It's a video of, you with your little dog was it Bruce or Kai? Kai. Yeah.

And she's like walking on the table outside of our house and you and Matt are talking and you're in the middle basically talking about like asking him like how did you know Alex was the one. Yeah. And I feel like we've been so fortunate to have so many really intimate conversations with you because you genuinely have wanted to seek out answers of like how did you guys know? And I think leading up to this process, which I want to get into, like, there was so much that you were, your ears were so open to everyone that you, like, respected like you're saying in relationship dynamics because you were genuinely just trying to take it all in before you went into this experience, which I feel like not a lot of people are going to have expected. So I do want to talk about that. But okay, to anyone that's living under a rock doesn't know. You basically became The Bachelor. Except all 20 women when they showed up on day one. got rings, it really makes it real. And I think especially for like a woman,

when you put that ring on, you're like, oh my God. Like I see it. Like it makes it a little bit more real. Yeah. So they all have the rings. And then if you eliminate them, you take the ring back until you find the one. Let's go back.

You obviously started on too hot to handle. Did you ever imagine that your wedding would be on television? No. I didn't even imagine that anything shit would happen. I didn't even think anyone believed. When we posted a trailer, like all the comments like there's no way. No one thought it was real. No one thought it was real.

Like this guy's not getting married. Do you be fair, because you have photoshopped your face so many times as The Bachelor. So actually, now in hindsight, I get why people are like there's no way this is real. Yeah, you're right. Because you're always fucking with everyone. No, because I was trying to manifest it. And here we are. Well, here we are.

And how did it work out? Hold on. So you never thought it would actually happen. But then obviously you were ecstatic when you felt. found out that someone would want to watch you get married on TV. I think it was more exciting to know that people were actually there to marry me. I was like, there's no way. Did you have any hesitations though, like signing on to do this to get married on television?

I think the biggest thing for me was I was being worried about if I was going to waste the girl's time, which 19 of them I did, basically. And I remember being in their house and I was kind of going through that like mental dilemma. Dilemma. Is that a word? Yeah. It's a big word for me. big. He's got the glasses on. He's coming in hot. He studied the dictionary

before this. No, but my brain, I was like, oh, I just don't want to upset anyone or waste anyone's time because basically what you said to me before I went on is like if this is the same old shit. Yeah. Like, you're wasting everyone's time and it sucks and you're going to break these girls' hearts.

Basically, you were yelling at me to figure it out. I was grilling into you so hard. Like, you can't take this as a joke. And we're not doing this to just make a TV show. We're actually doing this because we can go make a million TV shows, Harry. I'm wanting you to do this because I genuinely believe in you, but you have to believe in yourself. There's a lot of pep talks. There was a lot. You guys would go for it. So what ultimately made you decide to say yes?

Because I'm like my whole life, since I was like 19, the first show was in New Zealand. Since I was 19, my whole dating life has been on, had some sort of spotlight or like pressure on it. and I'm like, well, if I really want to just do it, I should probably just like dive head first in and have no phone and be in there and figure it out. And then also, like, there's no bullshit. Like, you guys would yell. You would tell me or, well, you do tell me off. We kept you in line. Yeah.

So I'm like, it's good. Like, what other relationship would I have where I have so many watchful eyes making sure that I do the right thing? Yeah, we had like guardrails on you. Yeah. You were like on your training wheels and we were all like steering you through the course. I'm like texting our producer. like tell him to do this, tell them to do this, tell them to stop this. Yeah, slow down. No, you said, I think it was like, stop kissing everyone. And I was like,

Alex, but I want to. Okay, wait, before you started this, how did your friends and your family react that you were going to be getting married on television? I think my family was making it more about themselves. There's so much drama in my family. Yeah. You saw them. You've got a lot of family drama. Yeah, there was so much. And then my friends, I guess, were just confused. like it's a weird thing to, hey, do you want to come to my way? How did your therapist feel? I actually just saw her before this. How did that go?

She was saying I'm, she feels like I'm about to have anxiety attack. Yeah. Okay, yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there. But back when you were starting, you were having, there was no anxiety attack, right? How did she feel when you presented this to her? No, I think she was, she was worried. She's like, we're going to have to have a few more sessions.

They're going to need to reload. Oh, did you double up every week? Yeah, I think it was it twice a week. Yeah. I don't know what else we did it, talk about but she's like, I just want to make sure you're okay. Leading up to filming, can you talk about how you were preparing? Yeah.

Because I feel like you were reading so many books. Do you remember that? I have them in my phone. I have them saved. I thought you were to say I brought them here to prove to everyone that I read a book. Yeah, look, here's a highlighter. No. There was this one that really got me.

It was called He's Scared, She's Scared, and that's All About Self-Sabotage. And that one was really interesting because I'm like, am I doing that? constantly fucking up because that's what I need to do it. There was, I even tried to read Emma Ritakowski's book. Yeah, but I think I ordered it in French. And also like I'm like, I don't, oh, okay. Because I'm like men are evil, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was trying to look at myself from like a different perspective instead of POV. Oh, I actually respect that. Yeah. So I'm like, if I read this and I relate, I'm like, oh. And then you got it in French. Yeah. So you just kind of gave up. But I just kept by my bedside table in case anyone came over.

They're like, oh, wow. This guy's really tap it in. But then even with Amanda, before we went on, we sat down for like four and a half hours. And she grilled me on every relationship ever because she took it very serious. Yes. Well, I think that was what was interesting. It's like, I remember you constantly calling me being like, I read another book. And I'm literally like, at first I didn't really fully believe you.

But then I will say, leading up to this experience, I was in shock with how much you were investing in yourself. and you were so committed. And that's why I do agree. Like I think you had a lot of people around you, Harry, going into this experience, which I do think it is important to just set the scene. Because obviously then there's chaos in the show and all of this is where everything's going to come out of whatever. But I do.

And also just so everyone knows who's watching, I have no reason to gas you up. I could be like, you went in so blind. You looked like an idiot. We were all annoyed with you day one. It's just not the truth. You actually were so intense. and reading. And no, it was shocking.

And you really, every time you came over to my house and you sat with Matt and I, it felt like each time we saw you leading up to this, you got a little bit more wise in terms of what you were looking for. But in a really cute way, Harry, you also were getting a little bit more nervous. And I remember the last time we saw you before you went off to film, you were like, I'm nervous. Like, I'm nervous to go into this because there's going to be so much on the line. And I feel like it's getting more real. and you were taking it really seriously. It was really scary. Even that first day,

I remember when I was about to say goodbye to Sunny, Amanda, and Georgia, I was about to cry. I know. I remember that scene. It was like, it was really struggling. I was like,

I can't cry in front of Sunny. Wait, when do you think it started to feel real to you? Um, I think it was the, it was the first day because it's kind of all like hazy and like crazy. Like, oh,

getting ready, like doing the fittings, whatever else, just felt like another TV show. But then when I walked down and I saw the girls and I literally, got so dizzy and I blacked out and I couldn't I don't know what to do with my hands I remember you were sweating a lot yeah I was freaking out and then yeah I think that was the first moment and then the

first two days fully blacked out no you know what's so funny I remember in the first episode the lot of the women before they saw you there were some women with hesitations and they were like I don't even know if this guy's going to actually like is he does he really want to do this and it was so sweet when you walk down and you welcome everyone so many of the women were like he actually seems really nervous and he's like getting red and like flush in the face and like oh man maybe he actually like is genuine and it was cute to see women like see you in person and see how you were like a little jittery and you were nervous and you were anxious yeah it's so serious i also think something that really showed me that you were ready to change

you got rid of the Lamborghini i did and you moved out of holly yeah what did you trade the lamo in for i got a range rover like a big one uh-huh what color It's Matt Black. And what color was the Lambeau? Bright orange. Every single time you showed up to my home or we went to a dinner or we went to a coffee or you showed up to the offices. I burned holes through your shirt with my eyeballs and I was like, get rid of it. Get rid of it.

It was cool. It was so fun. It was so fuck boy. It was so over the top. It was so noisy. It was literally loud. And it was so loud. visually and I was like, this is annoying.

This is annoying. No, I'm going to get another one. And I can't be like, Harry get rid of this and you're like, no, I like it. And now, talk to me about what's in the range over Harry. So I was like, oh, that's a really nice car. Can I buy it? And I just bought it. But there's like screens in the back.

For children. Yeah, because I was like, oh, if I have kids, I want them in the back. You're going to be an uncle soon. If you're on a road trip, crazy. I don't know if I'll let you be alone with the baby. Yeah, I don't think so. I'll drive. I was thinking about that one of the way over here.

I was like, I wonder when I'll actually meet it, probably when it's like six months old. Because I feel like you guys are going to go to hibernation for a while, right? We're going to go to hibernation, but you will be Uncle Harry. Please. Now, I want to understand. Yeah. How did it feel to know with everything you've been through in the public eye? How did it feel to know that 20 women willingly showed up and actually wanted to marry you?

It's kind of wild because I've seen some of them like kind of be a little bit mean to me. And I'm like, no one put a gun to your head and said, you have to do this show. Like, you willingly signed up. You went through the months of audition process, bought outfits for it, got your makeup and came. Like, there's some of them that are already like being a little bit silly. Oh, online? Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I didn't.

Interesting. I didn't know who was going to be there. I did. Like, I showed up. Harry had zero, zero influence on the casting process. It would be so clear. He would text me and be like, how we look in. And I was like, shut up.

I was like, I'm not telling you money. Tell me anything. It's so annoying. We told you nothing. But do you think that a lot of those, do you think any of those women came for clout? For sure. Like I, but it's also naive of me to think like that they wouldn't consider that. Of course.

You know, like you go on a reality show, like any reality show, there's going to be some sort of attention. And if it's a good show, if it's on Netflix, like there's public attention. So I think my brain is two things can be true. You know, there's one pillar that's like, hey, I would love my life to change in potentially. to become an influencer or get a ton of followers, whatever else. But also I could meet this really amazing guy with the Rangerover and marry him. Like there's two things that could be true. I think some people there, clout one, was a little bit heavier than others.

But that's okay. Well, I think probably they had like, they're like, I tried to get on Love Island. That didn't work. And then I tried to get on Love is blind. That didn't work. And then I was like, you know what? Let me audition for Mary Harry. Finally.

My way in. It's crazy. And I hope they get the followers that like a little bit of trying. Yeah, I hope so. Did you hope that the women would come in blind and have kind of no full understanding of you? Or did you want them to do their research? Honestly, I think it's disarming if they did their research, you know? Like, because then, oh, maybe actually, no.

That's horrible. No, because my brain, what I was thinking is if they know everything. Yeah. Then it's like, all right, well, I'm already here and I want to do it. Right. Oh, I see. So you're saying, like, they knew everything and they researched and they still chose to show up and be like, put a ring on this finger.

then they were kind of accepting you for who you are. Yeah. And then if they were going in blind, you're like, so let me tell you about my ex, Francesca, and I. Let's go back to the very beginning. You're like, oh. Okay, okay, I see. Yeah.

Do you feel like throughout the process, one proved to be more successful than the other, like the women who knew you because they did their research or the women who went in blind? Honestly, I think that nothing could really prepare you for that environment. and I think we're all learning and trying to figure it out the whole time. So I don't know. But they also, even the ones that were blind, they were curious because they started asking questions

and like trying to figure out like why was, why are you saying that or why is he talking about like. Oh, right, because they're looking at the other women like, wait, what do you guys mean? Yeah. Like did he have a bad tweet or something? Oh, you're like a bad tweet. A bad couple of years. No, no. Okay.

Being engaged to that many women. at once is a lot before that. Like, you can be honest. We're like, let's go back to the fuckboy days. How many people had you ever juggled on a roster at once? I think at least five. Okay. But like, like, I feel like that's a good hefty roster, but like not.

No, remember when I saw you first, I would be like three a day. But it would be like recurring guests. We're right. No, no, no, no. I can pinpoint. Yeah, no. But I don't think I, no, that's a lot. That's a lot. That is, that's a lot. But that is, that's a lot. But yeah, I feel like a roster can't be two because then you're going to get feelings for one. Yeah. I think a roster of three is like a healthy roster. Four, you're like, oh, five, you're like, damn. Yeah. Yeah. But thank God you didn't hit us with like a 10. Yeah. No, I would, no, no 10. No, did you? You wouldn't. No, I wouldn't. I didn't have the time. Like I felt like, because you know what, it gets. It gets. hard when you have a roster back in the day. And again, this is normal. This is not being a bad person. But when you're single and you're talking to people, like I feel like I look back and it's

really hard to, I struggled with remembering stories that I would tell some of these men. So I would literally be like, oh my, my, did I already tell him that story? And I would type in a like a keyword into my phone and be like, oh no, I told that one to Sean, but I haven't told it to James yet. Because you're getting your life mixed up a little bit, right? I would fuck myself up because on my old podcast, I would tell stories about what's happening. And then they'd text me like, why would you say that? And then I'm like, oh, whatever. Yeah, yeah, the podcast did me in two.

Don't worry. Yeah. We've both been there. We learned our lessons. Okay. We're going to go back to the beginning of the experience. You said at the start, if this is up to me, I'm going to marry someone toxic and we're going to have a terrible public divorce.

Well. Well. Let's unpack this. Okay. Going into filming, were you attracted to toxic? I think if I wasn't, I would bring it out for sure. I think one of the things I've figured out with my therapist is with my parents' relationship because it was so much friction.

That's what I thought was growing up. Like that's what I needed or that's what's right. And I guess the best thing about these shows and having so many people have opinions is you kind of start to self-reflect a little bit. And I guess before Let's Marry, I was really like trying to figure that out. Like, why am I always attracted to the chaos? Like, why am I always? Like, if I don't find it, why do I create it?

It's so stupid. So I guess that was my thing is I would just start to like make it happen. Without getting too into it, I think, and why I've always wanted to emphasize this as much as you're comfortable. It's like, I think that your upbringing was a lot. to say the least. Yeah. And it was very volatile in moments.

And so I think that you are this really funny guy and you're charming and you're good looking and you're outgoing and you're a jokester. Keep going. You're a jokester. And so I think sometimes you don't lead with your emotion and you kind of hide your emotions. And so it can come off like you're being really, I don't know, like in moments you're, it can feel like, oh, he doesn't even care. Yeah.

But I think deep down, you can push people away or do things that are really in the moment feeling toxic because you're actually just getting freaked out if it's getting, you're getting too close to the person, which is like psychologically, that is like a complete normal thing that people do. That's what it was. Yeah. Well, the thing is with Georgia, when we spoke again about, because like we came back together after a couple of years, like, after my dad had passed and we were like, oh, that's clear the air. That was the biggest thing. She's like, I just thought you just never cared because you just like always laugh about it. everything or like wouldn't take it serious. And that was also a big turning point in my brain as well because it's like, oh, sometimes you just need to hear that. You do because I think it's it's,

it's such a defense mechanism for you, even whenever we're having a serious conversation and I know you're always giggling. And then I'll be like, okay, but Harry, like real talk and you're like, okay, fine. I think you get really uncomfortable sometimes with going deep and it takes the right person to get you to go deep. And then once you do go deep, like you're a very emotional. ball. You're a big ball, but you're a big emotional ball. That's why I'm scared for this show, to be honest, because it's so vulnerable. And I think we got lucky with like the girls to make it such a safe space. Yeah. For everyone to be able, like, make everything comfortable. But that's why like leading up to I've been so anxious because it's not like I'm playing a dickhead or like being

like how I was in these other shows. It's like, oh, this real life stuff like dealing with my emotions with my family. And then my dad and then having my family involved and like not, And no one else to like kind of put the blame on. Like whatever mistake is. It's such a good point. Like when everyone watches Let's Marry Harry, for the good, the bad, the ugly, you have to know that in almost every other reality show that Harry has been in prior, you have played a character to some degree.

Yeah. And for this one, you were completely stripped down and. Couldn't do anything but me. Yeah. You were just yourself. Yeah. Let's talk about Georgia though. Yeah.

For anyone who doesn't know, that's your ex-girlfriend. Yeah. And we basically formulated the show to make sure that the decision wasn't 100% up to you when it came to choosing who you were choosing because we're like, leave hair to his own devices. We're going to just repeat the patterns. Let's like help him a little bit on this journey. And one of the people that you brought in, you brought in some of your closest friends, but one of the people that you did bring in is your ex-girlfriend, Georgia, to kind of sit

on this panel to watch you and help and guide you, which I think so many people were shocked by. What was her reaction when you asked her to do this? You know, me and Georgia have such a good relationship now that it was funny. Like, she's like, of course. Like, why would I not? Like, she laughed. But then on the other hand, I was thinking about it. Like, what a brave thing for her to do, to just walk into a house of like 20 girls

that are trying to marry her ex. And also, like, to put everything that we've been through to the side to be there. So, like, hats off to her. But I know in the casting process, I remember when, when Netflix called me, I said, interview all my exes. Like, I don't care all them. But obviously, George's the friendly. Oh, we did.

We interviewed them all. The friend. The friendliest son. Yeah. Yeah, I bet. Really scary. But yeah, honestly, like, because we're in such a playful place, like, it was, it was so nice and, like, easy and safe.

And I guess, um, it's also good to kind of have that closure and to, for people to see that, like, you can be this close with an ex and it's all good. Yeah. What do you think qualified her for the position? Because George's been there through basically everything. She's seen me at rock bottom and super highs. But also, I just think the emotional maturity too, to be able to put everything to the side. And when my dad passed, to reach out and to be there was like really special.

And for us to just after so many years, like after that moment and like hang out and just have, like we had the most fun. I remember when I saw her again after all these years and I was in a bit of a sticky situation ship and I wasn't having fun and I saw Georgia again and we went into a concert and we had the best night ever. We had so much fun. I was like, oh, this is, like this is what life's about is just having like a good pal, just having a great night and going to a concert and having laughs. We just laughed the whole night. And there was no feeling like you needed to rekindle anything. No, no, no, we were all good. Like we knew, like we're just going to be always just going to be

friends. And so that was really special. And that was really special. And that was. really nice. And I was like, okay, cool. Like, that's what life's about. So yeah, I think like, yeah. No, that makes me happy for you that you clearly feel safe with her. And I have to give her so much props because when I was thinking about it, and I actually would love everyone else to think about this for themselves because it's kind of an interesting exercise, I was like, if I was in Harry's position and I needed to have one of my exes come and help me find love, I was like, who would I have them call? And it was so crazy trying to think about it because I was like, oh my God, I feel like almost

all of them would try to sabotage me. And there's like a few in there that I'm like, all right, he wouldn't do me dirty. But I'm really happy. I think it showed a lot of growth also, even just between the two of you, because you publicly had gone at each other prior to this. So to be on a Netflix show together and be nothing but supportive, I was like, wow, maybe it maybe you can actually be cordial with exes. Yeah.

So going into this experience, do you remember what did you tell producers that you were looking for in a wife? I think I just, actually, I don't even know what I said. I just did just do it. Like, just figuring out because I don't want to, no, I remember I told them, I'm going to tell them like literally nothing because I just wanted them to just do it for me. And I don't want to put any pressure on like, oh, I need them to be five, seven or whatever else. I'm just like as long as they have a job and they're happy, then let's go.

I feel like I remember talking to you halfway through when we sat at the coffee shop. And I feel like you started to have an idea of what you wanted in a wife. Like what are some of those qualities? Yeah, I think I love someone who's independent, has a very good sense of humor, someone with tough skin, and someone that loves their work, like really obsessed with what they do. Again, it kind of comes back to you and Matt. Like, you guys are so obsessed with what you're doing and growing and building. And again, just like looking for my version of that.

Yeah, it's interesting because I think, Harry, you went into this. And I remember you were like, I want someone who's, you know, going to be an amazing support and someone who can support me in my crazy life. And I want to support them, obviously. But like, I think you were kind of envisioning that maybe you were going to find someone that you both couldn't have big careers almost. And I think you were almost thinking like, this woman will be a great mother.

And I was always like, we know, she can still be a great mother and have her own career. Yeah, you do everything. Hello. Come on, give your friends some drops. But I think what it was interesting, I think slowly throughout this experience, you actually realized, and I remember you saying to me like,

oh wait, I actually think I'm such a business person and I love my work and I love my career. Like I think I need someone who also feels that way about their work and their job as opposed to maybe more of like someone who isn't doesn't have more traditional job or whatever like I think you wanted someone with a little bit of career it's nice too to like go and have independent lives or else I've been in relationships where they've just been at home all day and I come home and I'm like fuck like yeah and I think it's like to each their own and I think you thought you wanted that and that's okay and I think that's what's

beautiful about having all these different types of relationships is everyone watching it's like that that dynamic works really well. for some people. And I actually, it's interesting because I think a lot of people would think that would work for you and it just, it doesn't work for you. Yeah. Okay, we're going to go into a game. Okay, fun.

Dating deal breakers. Before going into this experience, obviously, you had one way of thinking. Now, who you are today, I want you to answer genuinely, okay? What you think about this. Okay, let's see where you stand today. How do you feel about someone who kisses and tells? Gross. What? No, that's bad. We don't do that anymore.

No, no. I'm not allowed to. You even, no, no. Okay, I'm not, I'm not judging. I'm just giggling. You want me to kiss and tell it? No, no, no. I love how you're always looking for me to give you the answer. Stick with your answer. Explain. Don't kiss and tell. Why? Because it's not. And we went through it on the show like when I had sex, dual intercourse with them. Why did you just say, sex, jule intergost? No, no, I think. I think, you will intergost. No, no. I think, you. Yeah, it's like Pellé talking and kissing and telling is no bueno for me. Would you be offended, though? Let's say if your wife was talking to her friend group about your guy's sex life?

If I'm not in the room, I think it's a bit weird, you know? Like, I don't think that that's like appropriate. So you want to be in the room with your wife and all of her friends talking about your life? Tell her. Tell them. Let them know. No, because I was thinking about it. Like, I've been, you know, in a relationship and like their friends that come in and they're like asking about it. And I'm like, yeah, if they're comfortable, if we're all comfortable, you want to know, like, let's go. But like, I don't, if you're going to go and tell bar and be like,

oh, yeah, it's icky. I get that. Okay, great. Yeah. How did you manage that in the house when girls would be arguing over you? Sick. I was like, let's go. No, it's like, it's, you know, it's nice that they've all got a good friendship out of this too. You think they got a good friendship out of it? Yeah, you know, they have a group chat called Let's Divorce Harry. Oh my God. Yeah. They just said. all of my shit in there all the time. Because a few of them are rats, so they send it to me. They always

send shit back. Dude, that is actually amazing. I love those women. Let's divorce Harry. Yeah, it's really sad. And as they all get eliminated, they would get added to it. And like, yeah, so then by the end. There was a bunch of them that wanted to divorce you. I'm like, can I get in? Because I had all

the film cameras from set. Did I tell you this? No. Oh, I bought a ton of film cameras because obviously we can't have phone. So I think I bought like maybe like 50 or 60. here and I gave them to the girls and I said you'd want these memories. So like take photos of each other so you can have it for later. So they'd take photos and every week when I have the day off I'd go and get them developed. And so then I have them emailed to me. So by the end of the show, we had hundreds and hundreds of photos. They had all those memories together. You're so sentimental.

Well, I was just like, I remember the first, like all the shows I've been on and I'm like, I would love to have the BTS behind this. Obviously, we can't have a phone. Love Island, they have their phones, whatever. But I'm like, this is just so good for social stuff. So did you try to get into the group to be like, ladies, let me in and I'll give you the photos. Yeah. And I could also. Compromise. I was like, guys, if you just want, just add me real quick, I'll just send the link.

Like, what do you need? Like, we're never adding you. You lose her. They didn't add me. Yeah. Okay, someone who has never been in love before. Ick. No, everyone should be in love.

Every day. Okay. So you're not looking for someone who hasn't been in love before. No. Why? Because you learn so much lessons in love. And when you, there we go. Can you continue?

This is good. I can't give you all the answers. No, you have to. You have to. I'm so nervous. No, you're doing great. No, I've been so nervous. You're doing really great.

This is the hardest week in my life. I felt like I had a rock at my throat. Why? For me or just for press? I'm like, it can't be me. No, this is fine. Okay, okay. This is all good.

No, okay. One day you used to be nervous for caller daddy. You know, it's, oh, I guess is that a big of a deal anymore? Oh, no. You've gotten too comfortable. You know, it's funny. I was thinking. I mean, ask you the hard question.

No, be nice, be nice. No, I was thinking, I was like, this is such a career highlight for so many people. Like, this is. Meanwhile, you're like, can I go take a shit? Yeah, like, Alex, I'm going to come over, fire up the cameras. Let's get the puck gone. Okay, so you don't want to be with someone who has never been in love. Yeah, because you learn so many lessons in love.

Yes. And that's part of life. And I don't like people that haven't gone through like a bad breakup or like any trauma or anything because you learn so much in that and that's where you build your character. So all these people, like some of the girls in the show, I've had a perfect life and life's good and I wish that for them. But I don't want those people around me because God forbid we have a bad day. You won't know how to handle it.

See, this is why we have to get you away from one word answers. Note to whoever your PR team is. No one word answers for Harry because he's going to give you an ick or a yuck or a gross. And then your actual explanation is exactly what I was looking for. I agree to some people, especially where you're at in life where you're looking for serious relationships. You don't want someone who hasn't been in love before because you're looking for someone who has experienced life a little bit more

than maybe their first go round. There we go. Okay. Am I being difficult? Are you being difficult? Yeah. Yeah, but I'm pulling it out of you. Really?

Am I being hard? No, you're just, it's classic Harry where maybe if you were on another show, or hopefully they would push you, You give these answers that keep you in that, oh, hairy jealousy lane. And I'm like, no, you're smart. You want to be more. And you're an intellectual. I have glasses on.

You've got glasses on for a reason. This is the first time you've ever worn glasses in the Caller Daddy episode. So start speaking like you wear glasses. Okay, I'm thinking. Okay, next, ready? How do you feel about someone who also wants to be in the spotlight? You know, I think there's a healthy version of it and an unhealthy version of it. if you want to be on the spotlight and do dating shows and whatever else,

probably not good for a relationship. So what are you? Sorry. Who? I don't know what. No, I've already done it. Oh, so now you're done. What if they're midway through their journey?

Enjoy it. Okay, let's get into Let's marry Harry. Have we not been in it? If we don't have been in it? Okay. Filming the show. If I told young Harry, women would be so ravenous, so excited for you that they would literally try to sneak into your bedroom at night.

How do you think young Harry would have responded? I probably would have done a backflip. Then in reality, when these women tried to actually sneak into your room, how did it actually feel? It was pretty scary. Okay. Yeah. No, it was pretty scary.

From the backflip to the, I'm terrified. No, it was scary because also my brain is like, if I have sex with someone, it's going to, and word gets out, okay, first off, there was so much going on my head. Okay, have sex with someone, come quick, embarrass myself. Was that your, was that top of the priority, you think? I think so, because then it's on TV and then all the girls like, oh, yeah, let's self-a-minute. Damn, damn. Damn, Harry's a quickie.

Yeah. You didn't have said that twice. bit of it. Jesus. Let's double down. No, I think that was it. And then also like, oh, it's going to take away from the other girls' experience if we do do that. And then it's like, oh, I have to be fully 110%. I don't know why I'm jerking my finger off. Fully 110% on the one person I do have sexual intercourse with. I see. Because a lot of at your brain was you were worried just about how to navigate intimacy. Yeah, it was so hard. Let's talk more about the physical connection. Okay.

Georgia warned you to think with your heart and your mind and not, not your other parts. Yeah. If the physical connection wasn't immediately there for you, was it a red flag? No, because I feel like, in real life, for sure. But I think because everyone was so committed, well, mostly everyone was committed to that experience, I think that the physical component, like, wasn't really a thing at all. because I also didn't know if they were allowed to come up. Like, sure, if we were in real life and we're able to get physical,

probably would have cooked the whole thing. So it's nice to kind of slow it down and take a step back. On your most, like the biggest day, how many women did you make out with? I think like at least like 10 or 11? Yeah, there's a day bed moment where they just kept coming. And I didn't have to leave. And I was like, this is the best day ever. I feel like kissing that many people that.

It was a lot. Yeah, it was a lot, to be honest. And you know, the first day I got there, I remember, I think it was a group day. And I was like, are we, am I able to kiss everyone? And then. And then we unraveled. Yeah. We unraveled.

They were like, maybe we should have waited a day. Shit. You were like, I'm allowed to physically hook up with someone. Perfect. Yeah. Like these are my fiance's. Let's go. Okay.

One of the biggest moments in the series is as viewers, we saw a walk in that happened. And it caused a lot of drama. You were in the bathroom with Amber and Sam overheard and later confronted you about it. I know that then Amber asked you to keep it a secret of what you guys did in the bathroom and you did end up keeping that secret and you lied about it. Talk to me about that decision. See, you got angry at me about this. Let's talk through it. Okay.

Because on one hand, set the scene. If people haven't watched that episode yet, go watch it. but explain it. Yeah, basically we're getting down to the while with the final few fiancés, and it's getting quite intense. And at these moments, like, you know, the girls are getting, like, finding more and more confidence that come and just seek me out and just hang out and see me.

And I know with Amber in that moment, we, she was really questioning the whole process and was really, like, going through it and trying to figure out if I was serious about her and serious about what was happening. And so she came up to the bedroom. And I was like, I know there's one spot where there's no cameras, obviously not good for TV, but great for mental health and to have nice conversations. And so I ran a shower and we just kind of like just started laughing and figured it out. And we ended up getting, you know, getting involved with each other.

Yeah, so we ended up having sex. But one of the girls, Sam, had walked up as that was going on and heard us and thought that we were in the shower, which was true. We were just using the shower. Yeah. You were using the shower to drown out the noise. Yeah, yeah, drown out the noise because obviously we were getting intimate. And then after that, because it was kind of like sealed the deal. Like Amber was like, okay, cool.

Like we're locked in. Like we're good. That was like a good moment for us. It was really special. But I didn't know that Sam had come up. And then also when Sam, you know, obviously she's not stupid. And like everyone figured out something was going on because she was. Because I know the girls, they had.

a, like there was a moment where they would all take one of my watches and their time how long people were up so that they knew when to come up and like switch. Did I tell you this? Wait, no. I had like five watches. I brought like so many watches and they would come up and they would take a watch. It's like, okay, cool, you have 15 minutes because they wanted to, they wanted to be fair on each other and like be systematic. But then some girls would just be like running this like a full tight ship organization. They're like. Yeah, literally. Yeah, it was crazy. So then anyway, yeah, after that moment, obviously the girls felt some type of way, because they want to confront me about it and be honest, which I would have loved to. But

if someone asked me to not say something and to do something, I'll have to respect it. And ultimately, it was probably the best decision. Okay, so I remember, guys, I'm in the show for like a second. Yeah. And I remember we met at the coffee shop. And I was torn because I Obviously, I wasn't living in this house with you. And I wasn't sitting in the television truck day in and day out. So, like, I was obviously getting all the reports and I was hearing what was going on. And I think what was hard is, like, I agree with how you handled that in normal life situation. If you sleep with a woman and she's like, I really don't, this is not for other people to talk about.

This is not for public fodder. Like, please don't. I agree. I think where the line gets really blurred when you decide to do reality television is you're kind of signing up. for we're all dating this one person. And so there needs to be some form of transparency because if we all start lying, then none of us are going to know where we're actually at with this person. And so Sam, I think was really genuine in that moment for being upset. Because it's like, so you lied about that. And I agree and disagree with Amber. Like I'm like,

I actually so get it. Amber, it's so on her to be like, please don't tell anyone. It's like, what is the right answer? You could argue the right answer would have been. I hear what you're saying. I think what's difficult is I have many women downstairs who are going to demand an answer. And I don't need to give them all the dirty details. But I can't just bold face lie and be like, oh, we did nothing. Yeah, just a little camera too. Exactly.

Also, it's on camera. So I think, again, and I'm not saying, Harry, if I was in your situation, I may have done the same exact thing. Because I also think what I respect is like in that moment, clearly, you and Amber, we're getting so close. And to you that probably both of you probably felt even more bonded by being like, let's have something for ourselves. Yeah. And let's not tell people about this and let's not feel like we're on a TV show.

We just try to do this outside of cameras and everything. So I get it. But then I also get why Sam was upset. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. It was a hard one to mentally navigate too. And I think even still like having a hard time about it.

But you're right. I haven't thought about it like that. Because it's also, yeah, we signed up to just be open and honest and have that. communication and I probably should have put my flag in the ground a little bit on that. But I think I was just, again, so nervous to do the wrong thing and be the same guy again and again. I get that. All right, after living in a house with 20 women, and let's see if you picked up on any knowledge

and played the girlhood test. Easy, I got this. I'm going to show you pictures that women use in their everyday lives and you are going to just answer what it is. Okay? Are you ready? Go. Microblade. It's not, that's a microblade for your face? Yeah, but that was so quick and like,

I feel like I would have even fumbled like, wait, what is that thing called again? It's to shave your face. Yeah. Does it freak you out that girl shave their face? Every night, I'm like, come on, Matt, let's do it together. He's like, Alex. Ew, no you don't. Yeah, I've shaved my face with my husband. You got peach fuzz? Yep. Everyone does. Okay, ready? Yeah. Like your fingers run out. What is it? Oh, is that a heat roller? No. Kind of. No. It's for your hair. It's a Dyson Air Wrap. Is that right?

Yes. Wow. I can't tell if I'm impressed. But is this like, is this like too much of a red flag? No, this is good. Okay, next. Ready?

Neer hair removal cream. I use it on my butt and ruin my whole trip. I knew Nair, but I was like, does he know what it actually does? Yeah, yeah, because my personal trainer, he does it on his legs. He's like, oh, you should do it. And so I did it on my legs and it felt really smooth.

So I got carried away. And I was like, body and I went to Bali before I went on the flight. You neared your whole body. Yeah, did my whole body chest, everything. I get on the flight and my whole bum looks like hundreds and thousands. Is that what you guys call them here? Like sprinkles. Hundreds and thousands. That's what we call on my shirt. On your bum, it looks like sprinkles. Yeah. And I was like on a scooter everywhere. And I'm like, this is fucking horrible. You neared your ass? And it's still bad. Like it still hasn't recovered and it's been months. It's been since May. You put nair on your ass. I put it on the

hole. I was like, I want to make sure I was going to see my girl. Wait, you put nair on your asshole. Yeah. And your bum cheeks. And my nipples. You can't have that much hair on your ass cheeks. Yeah, but I just wanted to make sure that you wanted to be really. God forbid I, someone sees me walk around naked that I have a smooth bum. You know, Harry, it doesn't go there. Your asshole. But what are these actors doing? That's like me putting neer on my labia. Why would you do that? Why would you do that? Well, I was curious. What if I was curious? No, but also like, what do these actors do to have smooth asses on these movies?

Do I wax it? No, you definitely will wax it. This is the problem with young men today is we don't know how to... Let's get into this conversation. We don't know how to have smooth non-pimply assholes. How do we do that? No one teaches you. I just nared my whole hole trying to figure it out.

Then I've shaved it. It doesn't work. But then so I do like the actual buzzer. And that's what works on my legs. But like, it's still not silky smooth. I need this bussy I need this bussy My little man kitty

You know I need my man cat Nice and smooth You never know who's gonna see it This bussy This bussy I always get worried that like Is that a stay?

You know what a bussy is Wait do people call it a bussy Boy pussy Busy Or the jail bussy Is what people call mine Have you not seen that My stories

Who calls it that? Mason No, this one guy replies that all my stories Are you cry? This guy replies my stories Every confession record He said, is the Jiao Bussey off the market

And I'm like, Oh my, Mason, I don't know you Like don't speak about my pusses like that You make it so available Oh yeah, sure, I've got it, I don't know The Jow Bussey Yeah, Jow Busy It's a thing

Everyone's doing it But as it's the jousy bush The Joussey The Jussie Here's the thing Is I always get worried That God forbid After we have sex or something

I have to bend over and pick something up. Right. You just want to be every angle looking good. Yeah, just in case. Like, you never know who's going to see you with your pants out. No bum fluff. But ladies, if you have it, we'll nibble on it. The fuck is that?

A wax strip? Oh, yeah, what's that? Oh, nose poor. I couldn't even get this one. Really? When my team printed this out, I was like, what is that again? Yeah, but you got pregnancy brain right now, no? Is that another thing?

What? Okay. What did you just say? Is that another thing, pregnancy brain? It is, but you're not like that. to say it. I can only say it. Oh, I don't know, but I'm like, you know, I do have pregnancy break. Yeah. You knew this immediately. This is my job. Why is it your job? Because I had 20 fiancés. I need to make sure. This is part of my preparation is I had Georgia in the room going,

what is this? What is this? What is this? Yeah. What is this? So when she comes in and she's wearing one of these, you wouldn't be scared. No, I'd be like, give me one because I got a lot of pause right now. You can do it together. I'm being on through it. Okay, so then we're going to cruise through the rest of this. Face roller. Face roller. Face roller. Yeah. Oh, LED red mask, red face masks. Do you have one? No. They should send me one, though.

They should do a brand deal, Sephora. Harry! Washer. Oh, I hate this, girls. Is that right? That's it. Yes. Harry!

Think about it. Like, make it harder. I'm so impressed. Kevin Hart couldn't get any of it. Really? Nothing. I'm smarter than Kevin Hart? Maybe.

Wow. I don't know. He's got way more money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's more focused on other things He actually has a career. Okay. Okay.

We're transitioning back. Okay. New Zealand. Yeah. You go home during the show and I know that you were very anxious because when you were going home to New Zealand, you were down to the final two women. Oh, yeah. And so there was a lot emotionally riding on this.

Can you just explain what was going on and what was going through your head? I think I was at such a hard point in the whole experience because number one, I'm going back to New Zealand basically a year on since my dad had died. and then also seeing my sisters and their family, like the last time I saw them was at his deathbed. So I had the heaviness of the reality of that setting in and that my dad's actually dead. And then also the reality of like,

holy shit, I have these two incredible people that would love to marry me. And I don't know who, who's better or who's better for me. And I know in those moments, I was really struggling to figure out what I was doing. And like, is this the right decision? Am I, if I go either way, it's going to be a great life no matter what. But then also I was so torn. I remember even once we come back from

New Zealand, I was like, I was more upset. I wasn't excited about the idea of getting married. I was more upset about hurting someone. And I think that was the hardest thing is, and usually if you better marry someone, like you should know. Like I took like some of the friends on like the bachelor and they're like yeah I knew from the first day and I think that was what was fucking me up is because I'm trying to balance this grief where I never felt before and then also go wait I should know at this point and I didn't know yeah yeah I remember you also telling me like I know I have so just I'm still grieving and I don't even know if I fully even grieved in a way that I don't know like what is grief and like how do you know when you

where you are in that process and you're like and on top of it going back I'm going to feel so many emotions so then adding in these two women that I'm already so stressed it was like this beautiful storm of just a lot of emotions for you and I remember the producer's texting me when you guys got there and they were like oh wow he's really in his feels

yeah I remember the plane touched as soon as the plane hit Nelson New Zealand tears I couldn't stop crying and I really struggled to breathe and I was like holy fuck like oh this is real like the thing is it's kind of like this show when it comes out it's like you just have so much anticipation and as soon as you get there it's like it just releases and like i remember being in new zealand and i'm like oh my god wow and then seeing my sisters and like fuck like it's been a year so excited to see them being be in being those like

that was also the hardest thing is because we'd be driving around um nelson new zealand and a lot of those streets were like last time I was there was with my dad in the car like we drive past McDonald's and I was like fuck that was the last place I had McDonald's and that was with him and then I was like oh we drive a little bit past it's a gas station I was like oh he was cleaning the car window there so I was the whole day I was just like looking around because again don't have my phone it's like usually if you're in a car you're just texting on whatever else not in my phone I'm sitting there like taking it all in and then going holy fuck I remember um the two dates that we had and I looked to the producers I was like I can't like I legitimately cannot do this like I'm

trying my best here and and I felt like with Danelle on our date like I'm taking away from her experience like she's first time in New Zealand this is so exciting and it's meant to be a beautiful day but I just couldn't like I kept shutting down and I was trying and I remember just like grabbing them I was like can I just I need to be alone I was like I wish I came a day early and just sat by myself and processed it but thankfully like they gave me a day to myself. They took me to a beach. Actually, I drove.

I remember this beach. And it was the last beach that I went to with my dad. And I remember walking on the beach and I was the only one in jeans and a sweater. And I remember I sat on this rock. And I just looked around and I was like, oh, wow, this is happening. This is so crazy. So real. And then the most powerful emotion that I've ever felt,

felt in my life, like fully just like dumped. I think it was like the weight of the show, grieving my dad being like feeling his presence and his energy and being on that rock. And I remember I was just weeping for so long. I've never weep like that. I'm like, oh, it's just so crazy. Like that's the best thing about grief is like it just overwhelms you in your whole body. And I love the feel like I loved that I was able to grieve. I was, I love that I was able to sit there and just feel like I was wailing and carrying on because it was so special because after that all the pain and the tears and gone through it like I felt so good. I think that's also what I'm really excited for people as they watch this show to experience.

Again, it's like you really were in such a different, you're in a different phase of your life. Yeah. And it's horrific what you had to go through with your dad. And I feel like now knowing you for as long as I've known you, I also think, correct me if I'm wrong. But what also I feel like was coming up for you, Harry, before you left when we were talking, is a little bit like, you didn't have this love story you grew up watching between your mom and your dad fully. And so, like, you talk about looking at people that you've become close with and you're, you're trying to find people that you want to emulate their relationship or take parts of it, Matt and I and your friends and all of those people.

but I think losing your dad and then also having these two women sitting there in New Zealand with you it must have been so overwhelming to be like oh my God like I'm there's a lot that I'm still grieving just by losing my father but then I'm also trying to find

the love of my life and marry someone but I'm still trying to figure out what that even looks like for me because I didn't exactly have a perfect example of that growing up and so like there was a lot interconnected almost Yeah, yeah, I don't recommend it. Yeah, honestly, and I agree.

Obviously, they won't see the amount of time that everyone gave you, but I'm happy that you did get some time to yourself to, like, grieve and just try to relax a little. Yeah, we hit the lottery with that crew, to be honest. They were amazing. Yeah, and you know what was really cool. My favorite thing, my favorite thing about the whole show ever was that when we went to New Zealand, they hired so much local crew. And, like, for me, I'm like, oh, this is so cool because now we get like all these jobs here.

but also some of the guys that were on the crew I did my first ever dating show with when I was 19. It was all full circle. Yeah. I remember the guy was doing my sound. I was like, why do I know you? And then he's like, bro. We worked together.

We worked together. So long ago. Yeah. And I was like, what a nice way to close the loop. So I felt like it was all like all these synergies and all these amazing things. But I was like, it was such a beautiful thing. But then also on that rock, and I know this isn't in the show. But when I was sitting there, though throughout the whole show and the whole experience,

I'm asking for so many signs for my dad. dad and like the bee thing. So like, and I guess to give some color on that is me and my dad used to bee keep when we were younger. And before he'd passed, I said, I'm going to get a little bee pendant. And to like every time I think about him or anytime I see a bee, I'm going to think about him. Obviously, I didn't get a bee pendant, but I turned him into a little diamond, which was nice. But on the show, I would always see bees around amber. I'd always pop up. Like, always. And I remember there was a, I think it's in the show, so I'm not ruining anything. But when were we did our first overnight.

There was like a bee that flew all the way up to that penthouse and landed. And then even, I actually don't know if I told you this. The first date before we were walking to the yacht, I was in the car with Parisa, my producer. And I'm like, oh, I just need to go to the toilet before we go on the yacht. And I remember walking to this, it was Marina Delray. I was walking to the urinal. And I was like, fuck, dad. Like, I don't know if this is the right decision.

don't know if I'm doing the right thing. Like, I swear to God, I said it out loud. Dad, if this is the right decision, show me a sign. And I'm walking the urinal. And I swear to God, I'm peeing. And I look down, someone put a bee sticker on the urinal. And I was like, okay, this is all good. There was another thing.

So then obviously I saw bees around Amber's family. I saw bees the next day. When we went to New Zealand, I was on that rock. And I guess this is the best advice to anyone that's lost someone. It's just, you just ask for signs and you will see them. And they will show up, no matter what. And it's so much comfort in that. And then if you think you're crazy, then that's all good.

But at least you feel good. But I was on that rock and I was telling my dad, I'm like, Dad, I've seen so many bees, but they're everywhere. It's fucking stupid. Like, it's a stupid sign because they're everywhere. So I'm always thinking about you. It's like, show me something I haven't seen since I was a kid. I need to see a dragonfly, right?

Sweater God. Okay. Is that crazy? Harry, that is, I love that too for anyone listening. I agree that has and is experiencing grief because. I agree everyone I've always talked to is like having that sign. It's so comforting. And it just makes me so happy because obviously, spoiler everyone, but like you chose Amber.

And so it did end up, you know, working out in the show that you chose this person. I want to talk more about you guys in that relationship. Because obviously getting married to someone is one of the biggest decisions that you will ever make. in your life. What do you think initially really drew you to each other? You know, I think Amber was in that environment still so like free and unique. Like it's a very like for her spirit, very free-spirited person. I grew up in Hawaii, very go with the flow of energy. And in that environment, there's chaos and there's drama and there's girls yelling at each other. The fact that she was able to keep that was like really incredible and just like a breath of fresh air in a chaotic

environment like that. How do you think that you felt like your relationship as it progressed started to differ from your relationship with other women? Like what made you feel like it was maybe a little bit stronger? We would have so much more fun. You know, we would have those moments where she would open up and tell me about what's going on in her life and make it just so incredibly safe to talk about what was going on mine. And even when we're in New Zealand and I was like, oh, I just need to see Amber

because she's been through grief like this before. And she made it just so easy and fun. And that was the coolest thing. So obviously, you were down to Dinell and Amber. You had told both women that you loved them, which I know you were like, I never expected to get to a place where I was telling two women I love them.

But I think it gives people a lot. I think we're now acclimated to that with reality television that, like we seen so many people be like guys I'm telling you it's the craziest thing but like when you're in these experiences you actually can be in love with two people um when you did choose amber what were the main factors that went into that decision that was the most difficult thing because that day before I didn't sleep the night before like legitimately no sleep I was so distraught by the idea so my brain I love to overthink so I was panicking

about the idea of having to break someone's heart in front of their friends and family. And that's what was really like, that's what really sucked. So it was honestly really difficult. And my family didn't help either because my sisters loved both of them and they had such a good time. It was, it was tough. Like I remember even up until the moment, I'm like, I don't know what's going on. Like there's always, I was always second guessing it, which is not fair on Amber either.

Like even in the like yeah at those final like it's not fair on anyone to be second guest. No, but I think this is good as people will watch obviously what things and fallouts and all of this are going to come. I think it's good to no, but I think it's good to hear your headspace because I, to be honest, like I would hate to hear that if I was Amber or, you know, Dinell. Like I think it gives more clarity into where your head was at where like you were. were so torn and you really weren't fully leaning towards someone at the end of this. No, I don't think it's horrible. I think it's honest. I think, and unfortunately, I think you have to, you have to be honest.

I'd rather you be honest than be like, it was such an easy decision. It was Amber all the way. Like, I remember the day before you were like, I literally don't know who to pick. And you were, you were asking understandably like production everyone. Like, who do you guys think I should pick? Like, you were so in your head. you were like, someone give me feedback. And to everyone's credit, they were like, Harry, this is on you.

I remember you were still telling basically just before the wedding, Dinell, that you loved her. Yeah. How did you navigate those lingering feelings when you then went into the wedding with Amber? You know, I think a wedding is like heavy enough on a good day, you know? Like there's so much that goes into it. With that and then also having like, hey, like I really love. and care about this other person too. It was horrible. Like it wasn't, it was so unfair on both of them.

And even myself to a degree, but it's obviously, you know, I was in it. But I remember even I was having the biggest panic attack when they're like, okay, you have to make a decision now and you have to walk into a room and tell one of them. I couldn't believe what was going on. Like, I was pacing. I'm like, please, like, I need, I don't know what to do. Like, I'm freaking out. and again like that's so so unfair on both of them and it was it was hard to be excited about the wedding because I knew that someone was sitting in a hotel room with a broken heart so that was difficult because I'm meant to be having the happiest moment of my life but then also being sad because I've just broken someone's heart but it would have been the same either way like if I

chose to now I still would have been freaking out it could have been anyone and I still would have been like because I guess a younger version of myself would have just been like fuck it all good like let's just ride but like for now especially to go through that and for them to see me at my weakest in New Zealand and then to be like all right actually I'm going to give you this feeling it's horrible yeah I remember um something that your friends said on the show is they brought up that you know you and Amber have very different lifestyles yeah did you consider that at all a red flag not on her part but just both of your just as the dynamic and your compatibility when you were going into choosing her?

I don't know, to be honest. I think we were, it's like, it's so exciting. Again, like it could have been like both of them give two very different lifestyles and two very different lives. So yeah, I don't know. I'm, I didn't even consider it. I was just like, there was already so many thoughts and feelings. Yeah, there's already so much going on to my head.

Yeah, I get. I get it's like you're in this filming bubble. And I think honestly, I think that becomes one of the biggest issues when you look at reality television of like people try so hard to talk about like life outside of this. But it's hard to like, you can try, but then you actually have to go live it.

And sometimes it's really hard to make that work. Really hard. After filming you and Amber had to keep your relationship private until the show aired. As a public person, how did that go for you? terrible. We were on Dumois and it wasn't me leaking. Oh my God, Harry's like, trust me. I would have loved to leak something. I was like, why do you text me first?

You didn't leak it to Dumois? No, I didn't. You know, it was so frustrating. So we went to, we went to Hawaii to see a friends and family. And again, like my brain, you know, you've just married someone and you want to do life. You want to experience everything. You want to go see everything. I remember we were sitting at breakfast in the hotel and someone had taken a photo of the back of her head in my face and I was like I was like oh we're fucked

like now we can't do anything because like now they know God like thank God they didn't get the front of her face right because you can't spoil the whole show and I think that's what's really really hard about reality TV is like other than Love Island who's doing it in the moment and they've got I can't imagine how many editors

they have in a room like these shows you then have to basically not see your partner for a while. And when you do, it has to be in really confined spaces. And also trusted spaces too. Because like when we go to see her friends and family, like, okay, cool, we're like trusted here. But if we go to like a restaurant and pick up a coffee or something, like it'd have to be so brief and so quick. Because if someone sees me and goes, wait, who's that girl?

He would take a photo and it ends up on a tea page. We're kind of cooked. So when we went to Australia, because I want her to come see my friends and family, but I'm going to be smart about it. I'm going to fly in a few hours early. I'm going to go check in the hotel. She's going to fly in a couple hours after. I'm going to get a car.

So I immediately pick her up and then we go to the hotel. So I'm thinking, I've got this bulletproof plant. And the next day we're going to drive to my mom's farm, which no one's near. And we've got to be all good. Swear to God, I pick her up from the airport. We're driving back to the hotel. A fucking pipe burst in the hotel. And the elevators go down.

It's like it was like 3 a.m. or 2 a.m. So I'm like, oh, no one will see us. I'm already panicking because the Hawaii shit just happened. So I'm panicking that people are going to see us or people are going to know us. Obviously, I'm not as famous as I thought it was because I'm like, guys, where's the paparazzi? No, no. You're like, hello? Yeah, my guys, there was no one waiting at the airport when I got in?

I'm Australia. I'm home. But so we get to the hotel and she got her bags and stuff. And I was like, can I just take it up a staircase? Like, no, everything's flooding. So I'm like, fuck, what do we do? we go and like hide in a corner and she was obviously exhausted because she just traveled so early and like falls asleep on my lap thank god her face was facing this way someone walks around the

corner i'm on my phone like this like exhausted at like fucking 3 a m snaps a photo of us walks away ends up on some french tea page on reddit and i was like get another call from netflix like what are you doing right and it's like the only thing you want to do when you just you just got married you're you're in love you know you're feeling it you're like i just want to like go to a coffee I just want to hang out with my wife. Hang out with my wife. And I literally can't do that. Yeah.

Obviously, so much. I feel like every reality show. It's like so much happened in the reality show. And then so much has gone down since them. Yeah. And we are going to see all of it play out on the reunion. Okay. Okay.

I'm fucking scared. You shouldn't be smiling. I know. You're lucky. I'm not hosting it. No, they asked. I'm scared of Alex. No, no, no.

Alex doesn't need this. I don't need to. I don't need to be doing this. I'm pregnant, but like, you'll get cooked. Don't worry. But I am excited for you to, I don't know, go through that process. Is there anything you're nervous about? Is there anyone you're nervous to see?

You know, I believe that I've had a really good relationship with all the girls, even up until now. Like, Dinell, she would text me. basically every other day worried about something and wanting to talk through things because and I explained to the girls like, hey, I am here no matter what. And I said to Denael, like, you can feel free to speak however you feel about me. Obviously, like she was the one at the end who had like the most heartbreak. And I'm like, if you want to drag me, all good, fine. I'll always be here. It's all good. No worries at all. And I said to all the other girls, like, no matter what, if you need, I'm here. Like I know this is like a new, scary.

world for you and obviously I've been in it so that's all good um so I'm not worried about anything because whatever they want to say or whatever they feel called to say I would love for them to just do it and like let's put it all on the table that's fine obviously um and obviously they're going to see things on the show maybe how I talk or whatever else like maybe that girl at the start that just wanted followers like she's probably not going to appreciate that but maybe that might be her moment to get more followers so like if everyone gets what they want then that's all good good. I'm not worried about anything. I'm just more worried about hurting or upsetting people because I'm into such a good place in my life now and everything's perfect. And I wouldn't want to

affect that at all. I just would want that like everyone gets what they need out of it and that we're all good and we can move on. I love this approach. I love how you think this reunion. You're like, and it's going to be beautiful. And we're going to love this. And it's going to be such a good cathartic experience. Meanwhile, I'm like, these women may be coming with pitchforks and you better buckle up, Mr. Jousey. Oh, what reunion is calm, chill, cool, calm and collected? Not yours. What? Not yours. No way. You think? I mean, no, no, I am going to be so sat for this reunion and I will say this as your friend. I remember getting ready for your wedding. Which you dressed like it was a funeral, by the way. I was going to ask if you remembered that. I showed up. I showed up to Harry's wedding.

And I literally was like, I dressed for a funeral because we are basically laying to rest the fuck boy Harry. And we are, it's a rebirth essentially. And I really do genuinely stand by this when I say when I got ready that morning after watching you go through this whole process, I really knew that and I'm not, both women were such incredible choices, no matter who you chose. What I knew before even wedding or no wedding, I knew that you had changed and I could feel it. I think this process, you went in and that's why I thought it was so important to talk about it in the beginning. Harry, like you genuinely went into this experience and you wanted to be better. You wanted to change.

You wanted to find your person. Like you were pouring into yourself in a way that you never had before. And you were also so open and you wanted it. And watching you go through the pain and the heartbreak and grieving your father and looking at these relationships in a different way, taking accountability, messing up along the way. Being in the back and crying to producers. Like we saw a side of you that I was like, this is breaking him almost in a way that he's rebuilding himself by the end. And so I showed up for the funeral because I was like, no matter what happens today genuinely, who he picks, if he picks neither of them. Truly, Matt and I both went and we like, he may not get married today.

But he is a different person today than when he went into this experience for the best. And I think that no matter what, that was a win for you because I do not believe we will ever see the version of you that predated the show. Like you've just grown. You're a different person now. Thank you. Of course. Hopefully. Harry?

Now let me, now let me, here you go. So I just said all that. So don't let anyone clip that. No, in a couple months from now and be like, Alex Cooper,

you are the biggest cloud. He is back to his ways. I'm going to be like, don't prove me wrong. I will do you proud. Harry Jousy, I can't wait for the reunion. I wish you the best of luck.

And I don't know. Yeah. Get out of my seat. studio. Okay, goodbye. Love you.