Call Her Daddy - Heidi Montag

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

This week, Father Cooper sits down with Heidi Montag, and lots of champagne. The pair get things popping off immediately…poppin bottles that is. Heidi takes us to Italy (sorry not France) where she spent her final year of high school. If you are here for The Hills drama, Heidi does not hold back and dishes all of the tea regarding her plastic surgeries and her former co-star Lauren Conrad (i.e. Lauren didn’t live up to her potential). How many orgasms a night are you having? This episode we learn Speidi are having 4-5 a night! Pour yourself a glass and chug along with Big Al and Heidi because this episode is surely a ride. Enjoy Daddies!

what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy hello hello hello what the fuck is up daddy gang it is your founding father for another episode of Call Her Daddy. You know, you see the title. You see the fucking title. You know who's here today, okay? And let me be very clear. Daddy gang, I recorded this episode with Heidi Montag back in the single father era.

And I have yet to release this because I have still been fucking recovering from the hangover that I got after sitting down with Heidi Montag is something I've never truly experienced. But to give you guys insight, you guys remember Orna Goralnik and that couple therapy episode was like earth shattering and was such a monumental moment for the single father era and this show. And I know it helped so many of you. And so picture this. On a Monday, I sat down in a studio at the W Hotel with Orna Goralnik. And then less than 24 hours later, in the same studio on a Tuesday, I then showed up and I interviewed Heidi Montag and got fucking

hammered with Heidi. Okay. And now in the new era of fatherhood of whatever the fuck we're going to call it, we still haven't figured that out. What is this called? The fatherhood, the big daddy dick energy. What is it? Whatever the fuck we're calling it. The Godfather era. Oh, we're going to need to massage that a little bit, folks. But I feel like we all feel it. Summer is technically on the calendar winding down. I'm not ready for the fun to fucking end. And who better to continue in the madness and the fun and the fucking debauchery other than Heidi fucking Montag. I will say not only did I grow up watching the hills, Laguna Beach. I literally have all of this shit on DVD and my

sister and I used to sit and watch this and cut out fucking pictures from a magazine and post it on our goddamn walls and scrapbook. I was the biggest fan. i was a fucking fanatic feel the rain on your skin no one else can feel it for you only you can let it in no one else no one else can speak the words on your lips treat yourself in words unspoken live your life with arms wide open for A two day's way of hope begins. The rest is still unwritten. Heidi Montag. I'm ready. I'm ready. Get me on here.

Call her daddy. Call me daddy. Do it. What's happening? Don't call me daddy. No, it's fine. We're going to call you daddy today, Heidi. Yeah.

Heidi Montag. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. It's so crazy because I watched The Hills growing up. Everyone did. If you are a millennial, maybe not Gen Z, which pains my heart because it was iconic.

Maybe not Gen Z, D, E, A, B, C. What are you kids these days? Gen Z, but the millennial generation. I feel like I grew up on Laguna and then watched The Hills. And now you're doing another season did you want to do it or were you skeptical like how did that work all right first Alex you need to have some of your champagne you have to get on the level Heidi's like loosen up bitch we're done cheers Heidi's like first let's get drunk let's talk shit yeah first I've

already had some champagne. Okay, so you're relaxed. I'll watch you take a three count and then I'll answer some questions. Maybe five. Okay. The more drunk I get, the more I'm going to grill you, Heidi. So you're like, put the fucking champagne. Girl, you can't grill me. I have been through it.

I have lived in the big brother house twice. Bring it. Bring it. Okay, okay. I mean, I'll say it if I'm not'm not gonna answer but it's rare okay tell me about the reboot let's just talk about it then we're gonna get way deep into childhood and your shit all the shit but let's start with the hills what's going on so the truth is and i don't care what anyone else says is spencer has been manifesting and working on the hills reboot for 10 years or whenever you know like oh wow like saying it to the press and saying it out

there and like putting it out there and then having conversations with mtv and really even adrena said yesterday that spencer was the one who like talked to all the cast so i would give credit to spencer wow on this so i don't care. I'm sorry MTV or anyone else who doesn't agree. You're like my fucking husband. Yeah my husband who is a genius. I think really it was MTV obviously who put it together at the end and

like came together with it all but it was so much of his energy into it and I would credit him for that. You know because we were going to do our own show and at one point he chose doing the hills over our own show well I feel like the hills and what it represents and what it is known for it is a larger like it's a larger brand obviously and so that helps you and everyone else involved and it's like easier because people know it. So this is the thing people think about Spencer

is that maybe like he's so good at media and self-promotion, but like really Spencer's a team player and he is in it for success in the long haul. So whatever he could do for success in the long haul, honestly, if he could not be on camera and be successful, he would choose that wow so it's like there's so many i'm sure everyone is fascinated by your relationship i think i mean we have to go all the way back to the beginning but like the concept of three

count for you okay here i go heidi's like get fucking drunk let's go i'm like i need water we're on two different playing fields i'm like three count need water. If I need water, you need champagne. We're on two different playing fields. I'm like, three count of water. Ready, set, go. Okay, so you think, okay, here, okay. Oh, no. All right, touch-ups. We have any touch-ups in the house?

Every five minutes, Heidi's being like, can we get a touch-up? I'm like, why do you have makeup artists? It's a podcast. No, I love you. Let's talk about, I feel like there's not a lot about you on the internet with regard to like your childhood. Like, can we go back to you being in Colorado? Can you kind of just give us like a rundown of like, who were you in high school?

So I only went to high school for three years. Oh, wow. I was looking at Vogue magazines. I wanted to be out of a small town. I grew up with the same 30 kids from preschool to high school. And I was like, I'm going to be so successful. Like I need to get out of here. I don't, I didn't go to high school parties. I went to like two ever the first one. I was a freshman. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. And all the seniors wanted to like hook up with me. And I thought it was so cool. My sister was a senior,

dragged me out by my ear and took me to my mom turned me in and I was grounded did you did you get drunk I remember I was drunk it was like my first high school and like all the seniors thought I was so cool and like I thought I was so cool my sister was like no you're not goodbye you're going home oh my and I was like oh I hate you now I'm like, that was such a good sister move. Like, I do appreciate that. So you felt like you always had this like zest for life of being like, I want to get out of this small town. I want to get out of here. So because I when I told you I had Holly Madison on, like we were talking about like when she was younger, she idealized Marilyn Monroe. And then I was saying when I was younger, I was like sneakily watching Girls Next Door. And I'm wondering like,

who were you like looking at wanting to get out of that small town and like wanting to be or who did you idealize? I mean, that was the era of Britney and NSYNC and all that. So really from a young age, like when I was five years old, I had big blue sunk plastic sunglasses bigger than my face. I had a hot pink Barbie Ferrari and I was like I'm gonna be famous with my faux fur coat and I was like I'm gonna be famous and I'm gonna be so rich and so successful that's just like such a part of my spirit right and then I put on a backwards baseball cap and be a tomboy and in the dirt and in the mud and that's so who I am like I love glamour and glitz and being like sexy and feminine but feminine. But then I'm, like, a badass tomboy at the end of the day. Like, I love being in the dirt.

I love nature. I love getting my hands dirty. So I have such two different parts of me that combine. Did you enjoy school, like, overall in your life or no? No, wait. Who am I kidding? I remember, like, the first, like, episode of The Hills. The woman is like, Heidi, like, what are you here for?

You're like, I just want to party. Like, as you're doing right now. Yeah, I was like, I know my sister was, like, the scholar and the, Heidi, what are you here for? I just want to party. I know my sister was the scholar and the A student. I was like, if I get Bs and some As, I'll work good. But I was like, this is not my job. I'm so busy. I have so many things I need to accomplish in the world. So for me, some people think school is so important and so much.

And I never really thought that. I was always kind of like uh until I'm something that I want to like do but and then like I developed that handwriting that's so illegible my husband can't even read it because then you can't tell if I was spelling wrong especially in high school and I'm like how anyone listening tell me you didn't do this when you got a blue book and you write an essay and you kind of like fudge the words because you're like I don't know how to spell that I'm like I'm totally illegible. No one knows what I'm writing and then I was yeah. Wait so why didn't you finish high school?

Because as a junior I went to live in Italy for a year for like a foreign exchange program. Lux bitch. I know right but my mom did that when she was younger and she was like it just changed my life and it was so important and I want you and your sister to do that. So I had to, like, raise the funds. And, like, my family couldn't afford it. But they did it through this company, AFS. And I found, actually, this family that took me in last minute was really rich.

And they were so incredibly, like, loving and fun. And, like, dream couldn't be better. And I'd live with them them and I'd be like oh I don't think I go to school today Maria and like I hardly knew Italian she's like you shouldn't you're too pretty go shopping and I'd be like oh I know Maria's up in the discotheque too long you know like ciao ciao you know so she was like lived in Italy for seven months and how was that experience like just so great it was so fucking that sounds like in college you go to study abroad the fact that you did that in high school I know my mom I don't even I would

never let my kids especially what I did I'm like my kids are right wait why did you how did you end up in San Francisco to go to college so that's how so my senior year became my freshman year of college got it because my junior year in Italy I was like I cannot go back yeah like I'm not gonna do it I can't go back like I've lived the world I was just at Missoni's front row fashion row dating this air of Missoni and like this and that and like yeah Missoni um and I was like I can't go back like I just had so much fun I just saw the world and I like I'm bigger than this at this point my mom was like I I can't go back. Like, I just had so much fun. I just saw the world. And I'm like, I'm bigger than this at this point. My mom was like, I agree.

Let's think of fashion school. And I was like, I tried to think of New York. And I was like, I think it's just too big. And we landed on San Francisco. And actually, the Academy of Art University was one of the top three fashion schools in the country. So at 17, turning 18, instead of my senior year i went to fashion school and that's where i met lauren oh and that was the beginning of the rest of your life and that was um that was it how many what do you like to drink do you like to drink champagne i love tequila i love champagne i

actually feel like i get hammered off of champagne could we get another champagne for Alex, please? Heidi's like, I need her drunker. Yeah, you have both. Yeah, bring it in. Your choice. So for me, yeah. How many siblings? I have an older sister, a younger brother, and then I had step-siblings. So we're like the Partridge family.

When did your parents get divorced? When I was two. And then did you kind of grow up with your stepfather as your dad okay so i always called my stepdad my dad so like i have my dad and my dad you know so like i always called them both dad because he was my dad since i was three right just she'll have tequila maybe i'll keep on the champagne until we're done the champagne okay like what are we doing what are we doing wait can you open this for her why oh you can do it yeah oh my gosh i worked in restaurants for like so many years i grew up in a restaurant i just

was closing my eyes because recently spencer showed me tiktoks of people getting their eyes maybe this won't be we'll be better okay i'll make it better ready oh wait fuck fuck fuck wait and done woo again again Heidi's like here we go shakes it literally nothing happens and everyone in the studio is like

thank fucking god oh my god oh my fucking god okay okay Heidi back to the motherfucking interview okay

so your your stepdad is like your dad cheers yeah what if yeah what was and your relationship with your parents growing up three second count Your stepdad is like your dad. Cheers. Cheers. Yeah.

What was, and your relationship with your parents growing up was. Three second count. Was it good relationship? I was trying to get through this interview. I've never had someone do this to me in an interview. Ready, set, go. Heidi. Okay. What was your relationship with your cast members this is her strategy she tries to get me off it and now i'm coming right back what was your relationship with your we're playing chess here we see the queen's gambit i'm the queen's gambit i need that i'm going on the ceiling

okay okay yeah so my so my stepdad um was literally my dad from from three years old and he's the one who is with me all the time so I saw my dad on the weekends but like the man who was there every day in my life was my stepdad so I still call them both dad and stepdad got it um when I got married I always said I was gonna have them both walk me down the aisle and then it was tricky with the hills and I ended up choosing just my dad to walk me down the aisle. And I think that is one of my biggest regrets and like a really sore spot for me still, because I should have had them both. And that was kind of always my plan. Why did the Hills affect that?

Because I should never have had my mom on the show. And our relationship kind of got severed through producers. And I was like, why would you say that for producers? And they would like tell her ahead of time and separate us and be like, Heidi said she's fine with you saying this. Can you say this for our show? And then I'd be like, why would you say that if a producer ever told you to say that? Like, I would never. Yeah, I'm your daughter.

Like, if somebody told me as a mom to say that to my daughter, I'd be like, go fuck yourself. Right. Absolutely not. Where's my fucking kid? And my mom's like, I'm just trying to play along. I don't know. You asked me to come out here and play along. And, like, so I see where she was coming from, you know.

And it was just a big misunderstanding and a big mistake. And I shouldn't have let them ever, like, separate us or even get involved. And so that's still one of my biggest regrets. But, like, my family is everything to me. And both my dads are everything to me. And my stepdad is like the one of the best people I've ever met in my entire life. The iconic scene with your mom was on the couch with you and was like I don't think you look good anymore I have so much respect for you because

I think back in the day you getting surgery at the time it wasn't normalized so people were like oh my god like she got surgeries meanwhile it's like everyone now looking at the kardashians and everything although they're not like as open about it as you were you were one of the first people to come out and list what you got done i think unfortunately for you at the time it wasn't normalized so there was this it was almost like people thought you were like a bad person because you wanted to get a fucking nose job like what right and that's what's so frustrating and was so frustrating like i'm a very authentic person and i'm i'm always going to be like that what you

see is what you get i'm what i say is i'm very up front with you like you never have to guess oh who is heidi it's like i'll just tell you like I don't need to play games. I think it's important to be honest. And I've always thought that. So before I did it, and even before the Kardashians, before all these people were getting all this surgery, everyone already was. People from the beginning of Hollywood had been getting surgery.

I literally probably got as many surgeries as A-list actors that day. Like, I just wanted to peel that back and be like, this is Hollywood also. And like, it was free. Do you think I would have got all that surgery if it wasn't? Not really. Like, that's expensive. It's probably like $200,000 or more in one day. That's a Lamborghini or something. Yeah. So it's like, it was expensive what I did. And then to do that, it actually cost me a lot more. It did cost me like my career at

the time. And it did cost me, you know, the, my mom and my family, and it did cost me a lot. And I said to my mom, before I filmed with her, I said, Hey, I'm very vulnerable right now. I hardly can talk. I can barely move my jaw. I just had all these procedures. If you can't rile behind me and support me, don't film with me. I said, it's not worth it. I'm telling you right now, I'm not going to be able to talk to you. And I didn't. I didn't talk to her for two years after that because I told her ahead of time and I had warned her.

And she's like, I'm not going to be that way. At first she said, cancel, like just cancel it, everything. And I said, the fact that they're renting me a jet to come out and see you all this like I know what they want so like if you can't support me and you're not ready don't do it because you'll cost your relationship with me imagine how different the world would have reacted if your mom was like you look fucking amazing I've known your insecurities I'm so happy for you this now i'm not just put shitting on your mom i'm saying totally if it was more normalized like it would be today like yes bitch glow the fuck up do what you want to do and unfortunately back in the day

it wasn't normalized to be like amazing that you got plastic surgery now it's like everyone walking down the street every single person has something done so it sucks that you were in a time that it wasn't accepted and then I think it really sucks to then hear you saying the producers were obviously like get her on a plane which again you can't blame the producers because they're trying to make the show money no I hear but I hear what you're saying about like it sucks to give your mom that heads up and then to get there and what you warned her of happening exactly happened her yeah like you don't look I was heartbroken I literally had never been so heartbroken in my entire life and I told her ahead of time too and then after I looked at her and I was like wow like you really just did that to me because if it were

my daughter don't say I look great or not just be like you know what it doesn't matter what you look like I love you and I support you and it looks like you're going through a hard time and I'm here for you and that's what I would say as a mom like if no matter what my kid decided to do or not do I would look at them with such like compassion and sorrow that they first of all physically when I'm telling her I could hardly anyways it was really hard it was a very challenging time and Spencer was so supportive supportive and protective and he even said he's he's like, don't go, don't go. And I said, my mom said, she's not going to do that. I'm going to go. And like, he had been with me and I almost, they, they pronounced me dead. You know, they like called Spencer and they said I had died.

You know, like there was so much, the doctors had called Spencer once I was in the aftercare facility and they were like, Heidi's heart stopped beating you know right after my procedure you know like he came to visit me and thought I was dead the whole car right there like we had just been through so much it wasn't just you know when you and when you're talking these surgeons they're like a little this a little that it's like a little this and a little that really hurts and it takes a really really long time to heal so it's so like glamorified and then you know I had like problems with my implants for a long time after and it seems so fun to just get implants and you look so great and this and that it's like implants for a lot of people sometimes don't work like you just have to be careful and

think about that let's get into that because I think in the time watching the show it was construed that your family was heartbroken and spencer was trying to keep you from everyone and like keep you in this bubble in this world when meanwhile i get what you're saying where it's like you had both just gone through something traumatic together and spencer's trying to be supportive almost for you to then get on that plane to go see your family knowing what was going to happen he was being protective of someone that he loves, regardless of what people say about you on the internet. Like that was a, in a relationship, your partner is trying to protect you from more hurt after you literally were just pronounced dead on the table. Right. My husband, the only one there day and night seeing nurses come in, stitches, swelling, pain,

crying. Like it was horrifying. It was literally like I got hit by a freight train and he's the only one there for me day, night, helping me, picking it up, loving me, supporting me, comforting me, holding me. What can I get for you? Food, drinks, like whatever's on the TV, whatever he could possibly do. Smoothies. I mean, it was like no one else is there and no one else is there. And it was so like the fact that anyone, I can see what was put on TV i mean it was like no one else is there and no one else is there and it was so like the fact that anyone i can see what was put on tv but it was actual 100 opposite opposite right where when were you starting to really like scrutinize yourself for your looks so when i was little i'd always put water balloons in my bra. I mean, literally like six, seven, eight. I don't know.

I just always wanted big boobs. My grandma had these big, amazing boobs. And I was like, I'm going to get those. And my mom's like, no, you're not. I don't have them. I always hated that for my mom. And I wished them away and I never won them. You're not getting them. And I just desperately wanted big boobs. I don't know. I don't know. But then when I got them for free, I was like, I'm getting them. I've always wanted them. This isn't know. I don't know. But then when I got them for free, I was like, I'm getting them. I've always wanted them. This isn't like a whim. So like, I was just talking to a surgeon. And so I went in for my boobs. And then how old were you when you got your boobs done? I was 20. Okay. And then he was like, why did you get them for free? Because I was on the hills at the time. Yeah. So and then he was like, I can also do your nose if you're in here. I'm

like, great, let's just do it. Like I'm going under. Let's just do it. Great. And then he was like, I can also do your nose if you're in here. I'm like, great. Let's just do it. Like, I'm going under. Let's just do it. Great. And then my nose from a backup dancer, because I was doing a music video, got elbowed and it completely got like broken. Right. So I was like, well, I have to go back in. I've always kind of wanted bigger boobs. Why don't I just go back in?

I'll get my nose realigned and I'll get bigger boobs. And then I was like, threw it out there, just joking, like, what else would you do? And he's like, well, now that you're asking, I do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh, I didn't know I needed that much done. Sure. Let's do it all. You'll do it. Like, you know, and that's how it happened.

I didn't, you know, so, and it just seemed minor this, minor that, minor this. I had no idea. Like, it would take me a year to recover. Wasn't it like the jaw that like fucked you up? Yeah, it was really hard. I literally couldn't talk for three months and I had my ears pinned back. My ears pinned back might have been the most painful. People don't talk about that and like they get them done for kids and stuff. It's excruciating. And I actually had a producer on the hills he was like I had that done as a kid and it was so intolerable it was extremely painful and his parents had him do that your whole head hurts

your whole head hurts and then you have to have a bandage holding everything down and holding everything up for months so literally half the time I had this and this and one here and it was so painful can you go through again what you got done I had a mini eyebrow lift I had my cheeks chiseled jaw shaved I had Botox which they do count I had my nose redone I had my new implants put in I had um fat like liposuction on my legs and then injected lip injections. I said the mini eyebrow lift. Yeah. Right. I had and then like three other things that are they count as minor procedures.

What did you get? Your legs like your upper thigh. Yeah. So I had lipo done and then I have like two scars and it's like lipo. Here's what people don't get. It's not going to last long. Oh, right. So I had the lipo sucked out of my legs,

which I had no fat. I look back, I'm like, you're so tiny. What fat did you even take? And then they inject it in your butt. So I had the butt injections. So I think overall, I'm happy with the results.

Like it turned out well. I think it looks good. I think I wouldn't have done the lipo for sure. Why? My jaw is hard because it just – it didn't do anything. Like I had these scars. I had extra cellulite. It like actually created problems, especially being in such good shape and so fit.

And that a part of me sometimes is like I wish I could just see my reality if I hadn't done that because I had an album launching and like I had so many good things that that really put my life on hold for a year and derailed a lot of things so why because you were in pain because I was in pain and I couldn't like do anything and I had an album launching and then I had a QVC deal that they dropped me for because because I had all the procedures and they're like this isn't the brand that we wanted I had like huge deals that yeah people dropped you because you got plastic surgery probably fuck them but now it wouldn't happen ever you know they'd be like oh great but it's like it was just such a different time so yeah and then a part of me thinks sometimes I'm like, what if I took back? I've had a breast reduction since then.

Right. I remember. Do you think you had then developed once you got it like some type, not like body dysmorphia, but I remember when you were like, I want to get an H size boob. Yeah, I think so. I think there was a form of body dysmorphia going on. First of all, in the beginning to even agree right like yeah it's free i like free stuff i like a deal you know like i'm very right

and then so yeah to do that i think that maybe i should have like thought it through and like had some there i just had so much going on i have like an album coming out and doing a tv show and i was in the jungle doing i'm a celebrity big. Get me out of here. I was doing Miss Universe. Like I just had so many big things going on. It was just a cog in the wheel. And I didn't really stop and think through the repercussions. And I was so young and I just got married. And I had just so much. And then afterwards, yeah, I think that it was traumatizing seeing myself that way. And then when your boobs are that big, you don't even realize how big they are. And then I, yeah, I think that it was traumatizing seeing myself that way. And then when your boobs are that big, you don't even realize how big they are. And then I was like just joking about I want them bigger.

And it's like – and then there became a point where they were just so heavy and uncomfortable. I'm like, forget this. I'm going to pay $30,000 to get them out. And I have a scar here from it. And that was pretty – that was good. But then I always wonder like my jaw hurts. And I'm like, I don't know if it's from blowjobs or from clenching my you're like do i have tmj because i'm sucking that good dick i'm like i don't know if it's that or if it's just the chin or if i like clenched it and you're no stress i'm not sure it might be a combination

because i like the tmj thing i'm like am i just giving so much head i heard you have a good tiktok of like um blowjob what's's it called? The cluck cluck? The cluck cluck 9000. 9000. Is it a TikTok? It's trends on TikTok a lot because I think a lot. What do you do? It's just like the double hand twist gawk gawk combo. What do you do? Show me. It's like this, but then

it's like very sloppy and there's like the balls lifted in it, the whole thing. I'll show you after. Well, I heard about it on TikTok. I don't know if you'd be down to talk about sex. Do they all just like pull, you pull the balls too and all that good stuff? Eddie, give us your blowjob tip. I have so many. You just got to keep like, you just got to keep making it up too.

Also, the massage is really good. Oh. I use toys. I use with my hands. Him, me. So first I do the blowjob, right, to just everything's good. Get it going. Give you that love. Give you that extra give you the extra you know pulling it feeling it whatever and i use my toy so that's

always great i love the jimmy jane so that's a good starter right is your sex life also still crazy with has to be we're together for 14 years do you think that we could have like people underestimate the importance of sex right like i don't even want porn in my house i'm like i'll give you whatever you want to watch do play like i'm your ultimate fantasy wow like what what do you want to do that you can find on internet like i'm you're down yeah like i'm your girl like i'm well also because hair makeup sexy no one's hotter than me i will i will fuck you better than you can ever imagine like don't think you need to any like that's what people think oh you've been together so long it's don't underestimate the power of sex and like do you feel like you're also getting like

pleasure just the same yeah i mean sp Spencer's like the sexiest, hottest, best, amazing, cock, everything. Like so good. So good. Cock, he's amazing. Yeah, I mean, I could literally have sex with Spencer three times today and be thrilled. But I just don't have the time. I don't have the nanny. But like my husband is so sexy.

Like I feel with Spencer, I can have like four orgasms, five orgasms during sex. You know, so it's like. Wait, what? Yeah, and with Jimmy Jane. My girl. It's a magic tool. Okay. Jimmy motherfucking Jane.

My girl. What was the first time that you saw Lauren Conrad? So, there was rumors that this like MTV girl was going to be at our fashion school and there was no Laguna Beach yet like the only hit shows on MTV at the time were like Newlyweds or Ashley Simpson like there was no Laguna Beach right so I was like oh my gosh she's gonna be such a loser wait so you hadn't watched Laguna? No, so it hadn't even aired yet. I think it was like just airing right when, I don't even know. When she was coming to college, it was in the heat of launching.

Yeah, so I was in Italy and I had no idea, but I don't even think it aired even then. I think that like it was still coming or I don't even know. Okay. The school season or I'm not. So you didn't fully understand. Right, so I didn't understand. So I thought she was going she was gonna be like made I want to be a prom queen I'm like whatever my mom's like she's gonna be your best friend I'm like oh my gosh she's gonna be such a loser I mean it's what you called your mom being like apparently some girl my mom is there

so there was like camera crew set up and we're like what's going on what was first day of school yeah and and they're like this girl's coming blah blah I was like oh was like, oh, my gosh, she's going to be such a loser. And then we never saw her come in because we left and we went to do something else. And she was like coming later. So it was like orientation. Yeah, it was orientation that they were filming. And then I met her a few weeks later in class. And her and I were like the only blondes in class.

And it was really intense class, like very artsy. We were both kind of out of our element. And we're like, let's be like. Yeah, like let's be friends. Yeah, like let's be friends. A few weeks later, she was like, hey, I'm going to the VMAs, you know. And I was like, how do you get a go? Like, oh my gosh, you must be so rich.

Right. And she's like, no, I'm on a TV show. And I started laughing. I'm like, oh my gosh, I thought you're going to be such a loser. And she's like, no, I'm on the show Laguna Beach. I was like, cool. Like, I want to see it. Yeah. And so she went to the VMAs. and she's like no I'm on the show Laguna Beach I was like cool like I want to see it yeah and so

she went to the VMAs and she was going back and forth filming after that to like be on the other season of Laguna and she hated it in San Francisco and you know I met like Steven up there and I went to um San Diego or Santa Barbara with them for Halloween and like all these people were dressed up as them I was like you guys are so famous and And they're like, yeah, we know. And I'm like, cool. Great. You know? And so I didn't even know. And then I didn't have TV the whole time. So I still didn't know. I just talked to Lauren, but there wasn't like tabloids and media or internet. It was so different back then. There wasn't social media that you get a ping on your phone and you're like, oh, someone just said, oh my God, you're with Lauren Conrad. There wasn't. So I still didn't really realize she

was famous, you know? And like, so I moved down with her. We're both oh, my God, you're with Lauren Conrad. Right. There wasn't. So I still didn't really realize she was famous, you know, and like so I moved down with her. We're both like, all right, we cannot live in San Francisco. Like I was so poor. I couldn't even afford like taxis. I was walking everywhere. I got attacked by a homeless man. It was like so hard. She already moved.

I'm like, I can't be here. I'm too young. This is too hard. I don't have enough money to be in the city to be safe at this point. Like I got to move. She's like, why don't you move down here? Live with my family for the summer. And then I might get a spinoff and you can be on it.

And I was like, great, fine. So you lived at her Laguna house with her family? Yes, for like a month. And that's when I met Kristen Cavallari and I loved Kristen. And she's like, we don't like Kristen. I'm like, oh no, we do. You're wrong. We love Kristen.

We love Kristen. I was like, you're so wrong about her about her like i don't even know what you're talking about like she's the best and then we all had a bahamas trip and i like pulled them both aside i'm like kristen you would love lauren i love lauren you love me i'm like yeah i'm like i love kristen i love lauren you love me you guys would love each other if either you like me like you are so off with each other right because it was it was cause the Steven issue. Right. And so they became best friends that trip. Like the three of us were best friends. We hung out the whole time. We had so much fun. We were like all partying every night in the Bahamas. And then after I left, they like became enemies again. And I was like, okay, whatever. And, but I always loved Kristen.

Like the minute I met her, I'm like, you and I were like the same person. Right. Because you're both like very outspoken, very honest about your feelings. And I feel like it's interesting because I look back, I'm not going to lie. Like I loved Lauren Conrad. I respect her. She made her fucking money and she bounced. You know what I mean?

Like she's gone now. And I think a lot of people would say, damn, that girl made, made it. She got her fame and she's fucking gone. And now everyone else is like scrambling. Like I read articles. It's like,

they're scrambling to like stay famous. And Lauren's like making her bank. Like, what do you say to that? So I would say what they always said. She's the Mary Tyler Moore. Like we want Lauren to be vanilla and everyone to have drama around her. And she's like the centered one.

She's this one. And it's like at one point you're like these are the hands that the cards that I'm dealt and I'm going to deal with it. And I'm thankful to be dealt cards, you know. So it's like you got to kind of take what you get in life and not be upset about it. It's like this is it. And I'm going to do it the best with what I have and with what I can. So, you know, I feel like Kristen, let's be honest, is the most successful. I feel like Lauren didn't make it like she should have.

She should be Kylie. She was so good at makeup. She should have done the tutorials. If she had a good team, she'd be a billionaire. She'd be a hundred millionaire. She is not where she should have been at all. You don't think? She has a Kohl's line, great, whatever. But like she should be a hundred millionaire.

Are you kidding me? Lauren Conrad, who gets that big promotion, that big fame, that big engine behind her, the loved one, that this and that without hundreds, the narrator. No one even gets a narrator show. Kylie didn't get a narrator show like she should be so rich do you all not like her like i don't know if that's relevant right right like i don't think it matters how anyone looks at her yeah like i just did anyone treat her differently in college nobody even knew who she was ever ever and then she left right I mean even in FIDM no one who knew who she was when she had her own show

and we're filming the hills and even in the hills no one knew who she was how do you approach to do the hills so actually it was Lauren and the producers didn't want me on it and they were and Lauren's like Heidi's my best friend and I'm having her in the show and that's it and they were like no we want you to move to LA alone she's like no I'm having Heidi why didn't they want you on the show they wanted her alone and she was like I'm not moving to LA alone that doesn't make for a good storyline what the fuck it's sad the relationship I think that went down with you and Lauren I'm gonna be honest like I remember growing up watching it and loving your dynamic can I ask you what your relationship is like when's the last time you ever talked to Lauren or yeah I mean I talked to her a few years later and

we had like some conversations and look I I'll always love Lauren like I appreciate everything she's done for me I think that she never needed to do that like I always she knows was her best friend she would have like I was there for her for everything and it didn't have to go that way like she had a boyfriend I didn't like when she was with Jason and I supported her and that wasn't my job to tell her who to date and who not to I literally was like I'm your girl I'm here for you whoever you're with I'm with like I just want to support you with and then when that whole Spencer thing happened she's like well you date Spence if you date Spencer you're off the show and I'm like what like you are not the friend that I am to you like why would you do that to me I can't even believe you're doing this to me right

now like how dare you and I'm not your dog. Like, yeah, I appreciate you getting me on the show, but that doesn't mean you own me and you can tell me what to do in my life. Like, I just don't appreciate that. So like, I do have such a love for Lauren and it didn't have to go that way. Like she chose and wanted it to go that way and then kept following up with that. And I kept blaming things on me and blaming her sex tape on me and things like that. And I'm like, oh, and this could be a very empowering moment like if I were Lauren and I had a sex tape that my ex-boyfriend was trying to sell I would have bossed up and I would have been in the media like hey I just want to let young girls know I made a mistake I wouldn't

have done that and I was exploited so like maybe be more careful or like you know there was such a message such a moment that she missed where she could have really empowered herself and instead she made yeah turn it on me and like made herself more of the victim and she could have been like a victor and empowerment and like no one would have been mad at her i think it's interesting because i i will say heidi your relationship with spencer being completely honest at the time in the first few seasons he looks like a fucking asshole it was like what the fuck is she doing however I've dated an asshole has anyone listening dated an asshole however I will go to your defense and saying everyone needs to play it out for themselves And I do think at times Lauren had that like holier than thou mentality where it was like, what are you doing?

What were you doing with Jason? Oh, that's what I mean. What is the difference? She was with a real asshole, which I would never even air out what happened between them. Like it was so gnarly. And what was my job? My job was to be her friend and like support her and be there. Like, I'm like, where's that for you? Who cares? Who cares if she's dating an asshole? I don't care. That's not, I'm not here to judge her. I'm not here to

like be her mom. I'm here. And her parents would call me and I'd be like, Hey, that's not my business. My space is to be her friend and to be here for her. So it's like, that's it. It doesn't matter what your, who your friends are dating. It matters. Great. Maybe you say something once or twice if you're concerned or this or that. But also she knows it's editing. As a friend, I've been there when I don't love my friend's boyfriend.

But like that's your friend's boyfriend. Like you ride or die for them. Like here we go. Like you're dating an asshole. And when you come and cry to me, I'll be here for you. But like the motive of like don't be with this person or else you're off an asshole. And when you come and cry to me, I'll be here for you. But like the motive of like, don't be with this person or else you're off the show. That is pretty extreme.

No, that was crazy. When I looked at her, I'm like, who are you? Just because you don't have a boyfriend right now and you have all this power and all this authority because it's your show. I do know that. That's why I was like, I'm not your dog. You can't tell me what to do.

You don't own me. I have been the best friend you will ever have to lose your best friend at the time and then it'd be publicized that sucks no i had i used to have a co-host and now i have to watch myself no but like i have to watch myself what i say about them and i'm trying well because i feel like you're very unfiltered i am but like is it a lawsuit you're like girl don't come for me you're gone bye bitch this is my show yeah but like you know what i mean like i'm sure you feel that way about lauren where it's like you at times will make comments and then you see in the media like

why did i say that like i don't it's it's a it's exhausting you don't feel that way you just for you it's so it seems like it's so fresh yeah right like it's really still new like it took me five years to get over the thing with lauren like it wasn't your real best friend yeah no no okay well that was my real best friend you know so it's like then we became more acquaintances if it's acquaintances it's easier because you're like look we work together fuck you you didn't do it well or whatever like you chose that route bye good good choice or whatever you know but when it's like a real best friend that's where it hurts you know what I mean so but like for you I feel like you're such a winner I feel like it's really good you know like congratulations

and like you have your own show and it seems really awesome and like I appreciate that you know I remember sitting in my home watching the scene when it's the iconic scene of the last season of one of the episodes and all of a sudden like the background is getting pulled away and everyone was it was revealed like yeah that was a script this was face this this was fake like this was not real how much of it is just them being like hey today like give us like, give us like, is it directed? Like, how do because I'm not going to lie, like, I wouldn't be asking this, but like, we literally were told essentially, oh, fuck, the Hills was what scripted fake at the end.

So like, what's happening now? Like, where is that? So the most frustrating part for me is that all the cast, mostly throughout all the seasons, did a reality show. The only thing that had to be scripted most of the time was spencer and i because they were like if you guys don't fight you don't have a storyline and you're not on the show it like there was like press about like the hated couple like if you go back to that era which i can't even imagine like i think you just have to be so careful with how the media spin seems so it it's like, were we the most hated couple in America?

No. No, definitely not. Was it an easy tagline for them? Yes. Was it a fun thing for them? Yes. Was it clickbait? Yes.

So it's like we see now especially how much the media can just angle things for their own benefit. So that I always take into consideration with the powers to be um did it drive you two together more do you think yeah absolutely i think we're just we knew each other more and we knew what was going on and so to us it was always just laughable like oh my gosh this is so crazy stupid like this is ridiculous and then meanwhile we'd have people like we love you guys and we'd have club appearances and then we do a show every year after so we always had income thank god when you look back if the hills wasn't a thing what do you think you would be doing i'd definitely be in fashion a hundred percent i was i would have been very successful do you feel like maybe more successful

than i have been who knows you think maybe possibly how do you feel with spencer like do you guys have conversations about like how do we keep it relevant like how do we keep it moving like what are those i think we're so past the point of relevancy okay like i'm i don't worry about staying relevant so we were like the most famous people ever for so long. Like before Kim, before everyone, we were so famous and it was so fun. And it's not everything, right? So like for me, money. If I could just have money and not be famous, bye.

I don't even care. Like I would never be on social media again. I'd never do Instagram again. Like I don't love it. You know, like I just try to do it to keep it up and, like, be authentic with it. Like, well, this is what I'm doing and I'm going to throw it out there. But for me, like, my number one priority is being a mom and a wife. Like, I love cleaning our house.

I love doing dishes. Like, being relevant for me at this point isn't my number one goal. To be successful within the audience that we have, I would say, is my number one goal. Are you happy right now oh yeah i love my life so much i always have what do you think the lowest point of your life was um probably the hills several times in the original season i mean with my mom that was one of the lowest points of my life and then sp Spencer and I lived in Santa Barbara for seven years. The beginning of those years were hard because like Spencer didn't think he could be successful again. Like when I met Spencer, he just sold a Fox show, you know, at the youngest age, executive producer, just made millions of dollars with Princess of Malibu.

No, before that, Spencer was bigger than the Hills. He just sold Princess of Malibu to Fox, executive producer, 20 years old, had potentially $6 million, and Linda canceled it because she filed for divorce. He was like genius on fire. Wasn't supposed to be on camera. They literally just threw him on camera beforehand. He's supposed to be like a studio executive. Spencer's so smart. Wow. Right?

So he got a soccer scholarship to college. He could have been a studio executive. Spencer's so smart. Wow. Right? So he got a soccer scholarship to college. He could have been a soccer star. Like, he has so much potential and success in whatever he would focus on. And Chris used to ask for Spencer to manage Kim. And he was like, what would I do? I don't know. Like, what would I do to manage Kim? He didn't know she had a sex tape.

He didn't know all this stuff. Like, she didn't give him all the goods. So, like, there was a point where Spencer said no to manage Kim? He didn't know she had a sex tape. He didn't know all this stuff. She didn't give him all the goods. So there was a point where Spencer said no to managing Kim. What? Yeah, he didn't know because he just thought it was Brody's stepsister. He's like, I don't know. What am I supposed to do? He's like, I'm managing Brody.

He's going to be a movie star. We just sold this. We sold that. So for me, it was hard seeing him be done with yeah the show and not think that he could be successful in another way so that's why prat eddie was so great for me because i'm like you love crystals you're starting this company it has been a multi-million dollar company before the pandemic which has been really hard for our business and challenging but um you know he's so smart and that's been great to be able to get out of that

funk that we were kind of in for a little bit there when people think you and spencer are fake and you're trying to make it for clicks and views and to make money what do you say to that we're just so past that point in our lives i mean mean, like, that ship is so sailed now. It's just, like, more authentic and let's just do it to have it. But it's, like, we've been it. We were so successful. We were so famous. We're so – if we were doing that, oh, my gosh, you should see the OnlyFans I would do.

You should see the – I have OnlyFans, right? You do? I do. I do. But I'm not, like – I'm not nude on it. Well, you post on it. I don't respond. I not like I'm not nude on it. And I don't respond. I mean, you got to buy it. But no, I mean, I could go so hardcore.

I could be so relevant if I wanted to. Easily. I could go after this and that person. Do you consider yourself irrelevant right now? I would think so. I mean, relevant because like we're doing a press tour and it's. Right. But I'm not like on the radar that we used to be. all, you know, and I have, then that's fine.

But I have a good gauge of like who we are and where we're at. And it was so fun when we were so famous, but to be on the covers of Us Weekly and tabloids and this and that, like you have to be top 10 famous people in the world. You know, that was such a blessing at the time. And now it's just it's fun and we're focusing on our family and our crystal business and more long-term things you know my only fam's that that's pc i mean i don't even know if you weren't on the hills what reality show would you want to be on housewives i would kill it on a housewives andy kona said see you on that kona

said he'd rather gouge his eyes out than ever have me on housewives but I so see you on that. Andy Cohen has said he'd rather gouge his eyes out than ever have me on Housewives. But you know what? He said that. You're wrong, Andy. Wait, I feel like Andy would die for the drama and the tea with you. No, he wouldn't.

He doesn't like me. I don't know why. I don't know why. I literally don't know why. Oh, I didn't know that. He must be a Lauren fan. Woo! All right.

Thank you. Okay, okay, okay. Daddy gang, that is it for this week's episode I hope you enjoyed that Heidi interview I definitely need to go take a nap I don't know if you guys feel hungover after listening to it maybe you feel drunk it was definitely a ride thank you so much Heidi for sitting down with me again go show her love in the dms guys um the beautiful thing about this little moment we're having right now together is this is not the last of this week daddy gang because tomorrow you are going to be getting a mini fucking episode That is right Thirsty fucking Thursday

You feel drunk now? You're gonna feel even fucking drunker When you sit down with me for a mini episode And you guys know if you listen to the last one and the first one Things get a little wild on the mini episodes, okay? And I also give you all the drama, all the gossip, all the tea I didn't go to Hawaii on the mini episodes, okay? And I also give you all the drama, all the gossip, all the tea. I didn't go to Hawaii.

Why the fuck did I not go to Hawaii? Yeah, I'm fucking pissed about it too. So you're gonna hear all the drama. So you're gonna hear all about it. Make sure to tune in tomorrow, daddy gang. I will see you fuckers next Wednesday and also mañana.