Call Her Daddy - Hunter Schafer: Polyamory, Cheating & Fame (FBF)

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Hunter Schafer. Hunter reveals why she is loving her current single era and how painful it was being cheated on for the first time. She discusses trying monogamy, why dating musicians is HARD, and what she’s looking for in her next relationship. Hunter also opens up about what it was like growing up as the pastor’s daughter in the South, her complicated relationship with fame, and how she wound up in Euphoria with no prior acting experience. Enjoy!

What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy. Hunter Schaefer, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you so much. I am so happy you're here. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. Like I just told you, not the vape coming out. Not the vape coming out as you're like, thank you so much. This is how comfortable I'm feeling right now. But this means the world to me.

I just have to start off and say, because my sister, who you have graciously led in this room, put me under your podcast during the pandemic. And we were gagging. And I'm just so excited to be here today. OK, little do you know, I really love you, because I have to tell you a story. So I think it was a year ago,

we were this close to each other and you had no idea probably. We were in Milan and I was sitting with- Were you at the Prada show? Yes. I do remember seeing you there. Okay, were you there? Okay, okay, Hunter's sister is in the room

and she saw me freaked out. Okay, this is why life is so fucking stupid because I was standing with my videographer and I was like, oh my God, it's Hunter. And he was like, go say hi to her. And I was like, no, no, that's weird, that's weird. He was like, no, go say hi. I'm like, no, no, no, I believe one day we are gonna meet

in a non-weird moment where I'm fangirling. That's totally how I feel about people that I gag over. It's like, if I know that we are gonna, because you have that feeling about people sometimes where you're like, I know I'm gonna kick you with this person. I'm like, I don't wanna fuck it up. But I'm so happy you're here. ["Darling, Darling, Darling"] Okay, tell me about your outfit.

How did you pick this outfit? We're loving it. Okay, thank you. You know, I, this is like, well, and we were just talking about this kind of, is like, I always feel like, like the image that I put out into the world like on Instagram, whatever, is very much the drag version of who I am. And it's like an image that I've put together to give to the world.

And that is not how I dress and act in real life. And so, but this, I feel like your podcast is very about like, let's give realness. And this is my, I feel like your podcast is very about like cozy. Let's like give realness. And this is my I picked it up off the floor and put a little stupid outfit together. And that's what it that's what this is. It's really cute. And I'm happy that you're comfortable. And that is the key here. Like coziness.

Yes. And RuPaul also, which OK, can I just say that interview like face cracked me like that interview impacted me so much. And also I lived for her outfit, for her give with the, oh my God. It was so incredible because I remember like, you're kind of talking like similar with like Rue like presents a specific way and has these like cunt outfits. That you're like, serve bitch.

This is what I'm talking about, yes. And I remember when Rue showed up, I was like, oh my gosh. And I remember the rep was like, no, Rue really wanted to show up today just as like Ru. And this is what like Ru would be wearing like around Ru's house. And I was like, okay. And so I love that you came just like cozy today.

Thank you. You just bought a new house like this year? Yes, I heard you did too. Yes, okay. How is it going? Girl. Oh my God. Girl.

Okay, so I, I've been looking for a house for a few years to be to be a hundred percent honest I have it like I didn't grow up with it's it's a very surreal thing to be like making Significantly more money than like anywhere where I came from like my parents and even with anything that I grew up with Um, you know, we're just pretty regular middle class. And now I'm like, I have a lot of fucking dough. And I have no idea how to use it. And so, and it scares me.

And so like, at some point I had to be like, okay, I need to do something with my money. And so, yeah, I've been looking for a house. I finally found this beautiful house. And yeah, I moved in when September of last year. OK, and I've started on the whole like now I'm going to hire people to make. I tried doing the whole I'm'm gonna buy furniture by myself. I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing.

It's so fucking hard. Are you doing that? Oh my God, I literally left it to my husband because like back in the day- Your husband, you let your husband do it? No, no, I know this sounds insane Hunter, but like Matt has incredible taste. Okay.

He has like perfect taste. Okay. And I'm like now I just let him do his thing because I'm gonna be honest. I decorated my first New York City apartment where I first lived alone for the first time ever. And I'm like, now I just let him do his thing. Because I'm gonna be honest, I decorated my first New York City apartment where I first lived alone for the first time ever. And I was like, watch me bitch. Like this is gonna be so gorgeous.

I got the couch and the couch sat there for so long. And I'm like, how do you make a space look good? And I see Pinterest and I see like even urban outfitters, like it looks so cute. And then I buy it and it looks like fucking shit. So then I hire someone. And now I hired my husband I wish I wish I had a husband that had amazing taste

That is not my fucking case diva. I I like yeah So I had I went through the adaxe em spiral of like, okay Wait, I like, you know, I look at couches and then I'm like, wait, but, and this is so, I hate, it's so like, first world, whatever. Go off. You know, I look at this amazing couch, but then if I spend a bunch of money on this couch, and then the carpet changes everything.

Huh? Girl, I'm like, I tried, I really tried, and then I was like, no. So I hired... A designer? Yeah, so have you seen Troye Sivan's AD video? Yeah, insane. Insane, so I hit Troy up

and he was very gracious in connecting me to those people. So they're doing it for me. God bless. And we are just getting started. Everything in my house right now is completely covered in sawdust because the roof just got done and it all came through the ceiling. It's insane. So, you know. Okay. Well, it doesn't maybe matter because you're leaving. No. Can we talk about this? So this is all going to happen while I'm away. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So talk to me. You walk in here and you're leaving. No. Can we talk about this? So this is all gonna happen while I'm away. Okay.

Yeah. Okay, so talk to me, you walk in here and you're like, bitch, you caught me at a great time. And I'm like, wait, why Hunter, why? You're, tell me. Okay. What is happening? Okay, so yes, you have caught me for this interview

and very, I've had a fucking week, my sister knows this. I've had a fucking week my sister knows this I've had a fucking crazy week. Um, so I I got this It wasn't necessarily an offer but but you know people the casting people for this TV show came to me like you know a little over a month ago and asked if I was interested and I initially And this is something we'll get into too, is I don't think, you know, I feel like I did TV

and that was such a great intro to acting, but since moving into films, I realized I love the film format so much more because it's so, it just, TV is so, it's a beast. It's a beast. And so I was really like under the impression with myself that I was not gonna do TV again after Euphoria's over. Okay.

But, and so I initially, I said, no, I don't think I can, I mean, this sounds really cool, but I just don't think I can do it again. And then, you know, and then so they went off and they went into, they tried, you know, they then so they went off and they went into they tried, you know, they tried casting people and then they came back over a little over a week ago and were like, Hey, we just want to gauge our interest again, because we really think you are could be really right for this.

And so I was like, OK, I need a meeting with you all to like, show me really what you're trying to accomplish. It was an amazing meeting. And I was like, fuck, I need a meeting with y'all to show me really what you're trying to accomplish here. It was an amazing meeting. And I was like, fuck, I feel like the universe is handing me this thing right now. It's not what I thought I was gonna give, but I feel like I have to do this. And can I say what it is?

It's Blade Runner 2099. So there's the initial Blade Runner from the 80s, then there's 2049 from 2019. And so this is the continuation 2099 in TV show format. It's very cool. Congratulations. Thank you. That's like insane.

Thank you. And when you have meetings like that, when you say like it goes well, like what do you look for to make you feel comfortable? Well, yeah, so like I, the acting thing, this all, like I was not looking to be an actor. It's not what I thought I was gonna do with my life. I still question whether it is,

so this week has been this whole process of being like, shit, I am being handed these incredible opportunities on a silver fucking platter. And while it might not be why I thought I was put on this earth to do, like this is what I'm being fucking called to do right now. And so that's been like a big processing moment. And I think it's really allowing me

to like head into this project and just like fully like just dive in head first first and give myself to it. Okay. I have so many questions of just how we got here and how you are doing. So you grew up in North Carolina and obviously that's so fucking different than LA. What is your hometown like? Can you describe it? Yeah. So, well, so it's- Your sister is laughing. Why is she laughing? What's so funny?

Well, you know, so I've, I really, I'm gonna be honest. I fucking hated North Carolina. Okay. And growing up there, being queer, being queer in the South, anybody who's queer in the South knows, it's not fucking easy. It's really, culturally, it's in a completely different place

than the bubbles in the cities that we live in. And I always knew that I didn't belong there and that I belonged in these spaces where I can be myself and not feel like there's a target on my fucking back all the time. I really hated it. And I'm not gonna lie, growing up there, like, fucking yeah, I have now come to love it. Because I can return there and

all my bad bitchery and like know that I'm fierce and I don't feel like a fucking nuisance for existing in North Carolina now. So I love it now. But growing up there it was it was tough. I did not like it. Yeah. What were you like as a kid? In this environment, describe yourself. One of my, I guess, afflictions with life is I have never been able to really help but be who I am. And so even before I transitioned, and I transitioned in my first couple years of high school,

but before I transitioned, I'm just like, can I say bad words? I mean, you're like, yeah. Yes, please say bad words. So I'm just like this little faggot. I'm like an extremely high femme boy in this space of like, boys are like very one way, especially in the South. It's just culturally what it is.

But I mean, it's one of, I'm so thankful that I have not really been given a choice to be anyone but who I am. So I always stuck out like a sore thumb, but I loved like extremely artistic, pretty happy. I've always had like a pretty easy access to like joy, I think. So like, despite my circumstances, you know,

I look back on my childhood and despite being in a certain amount of pain just for being who I am, I was a pretty happy kid, you know? That's amazing. Yeah. Like if you're in the South, you're right. As like growing up, if you are queer in the South, like still to this day, it's crazy to say,

like kids are having a hard time. Even in fucking California, they have a hard time, which is even fucking crazy to say. So when you're growing up in that environment, I know you have three siblings and you're the oldest. Being the oldest, was it hard to open up to your siblings or were they there for you? What was that dynamic?

I would say the siblings was on the easier end because I think that, I mean, me and Hannah, because we are so close in age, so we were in the same schools, and because nobody really understood what I was doing, I think we had our trials and tribulations as siblings, but we've taught, we've moved far, far beyond that now, and my siblings are some of the closest people

in my life now. But at the time, yeah, I think it was a little tough for everybody because no one, not even me, understood what I was going through and why I stuck out like a sore thumb and whatever. But as happy as you were, that makes me sad for any kid that's going through something that's indescribable in your mind at that point. Did you have a hard time in school? What was your middle school like? Middle school was probably the hardest actually. Young teenage boys are pretty gnarly,

especially when they are confronted with a kid who they just don't know what to do with, they have no grasp of queerness, whatever it is, so it's like, oh, look at this gay kid. They just don't know what to do with it, and so they'll be mean, you know? So that was always tough, just dealing with boys who don't get it.

But I found my cute little nerdy friend group and that was my first experience of like, okay, if I find my circle, I can be myself and I'll be okay. So that was cool. But middle school is also when I realized I was gay or at that time I thought I was a gay boy. So came out.

Who did you come out to first? My friends, my friends. So like, and that's the thing of like, okay, I have this network of support where even if I had my parents and don't accept, okay, these people will get me. So they were the first people I told and then I would, you know, tell my parents, tell my family, whatever.

Your parents, so your dad was a pastor growing up? My parents are still pastors. Yeah, so my dad is a pastor and my mom is, you know, she's ordained to be a pastor, she works in the children ministry in the church. Okay, talk to me about that because just like thinking of like what you were going through as a young kid, being in the South and having your dad

like a part of the church. How did that work out? It's like another layer to it all of, and thankfully, I didn't grow up in Catholicism or anything and I hear about people in my community who grew up in that and it's like, oh, girl, I'm so fucking lucky that I got to grow up in a normal, even though my parents are pastors

and I'm very involved in the church, in like a, on the chiller side of Christianity, Presbyterian church. Because- Catholicism is like, insane. Like you're gonna burn alive. You're like, I am?

Yeah, so there was never like this, oh, you're going to hell. But then I would see things about just Christianity in general where there are churches that believe you're going to hell. And so that was this whole complex that I had to get through too. But thankfully when I came out as gay to my parents,

I think anybody could have fucking told you by looking at me that I was gay at the time. So that was easier. Then the trans thing came on later on. That was a bit harder, but. Did you feel like, not even just you as an individual, did you and your siblings feel like you guys had this expectation around you?

I'm thinking TV shows and I'm like the pastor. I'm thinking like Seventh Heaven back in the day. I don't know, did you guys feel like you had to live up to this reputation almost? I think it was there. And this is something that I definitely dealt with later on too in life. Of like, you know,

cause there's this whole like pastor's daughter tro like, you know, because there's this whole like, pastor's daughter, like, trope, you know, and it gets kind of tough because obviously, like what I do now is very like, I mean, my first job when I had to tell my parents that I was doing a 45 year old and cutting myself in the arm like all this stuff and then but my first thought is like okay they have to tell their congregation that their kids aren't gonna be on TV and then their congregation who are just you know little old nice white Christian people from the south are gonna watch this TV show and see me getting butt fucked And you're like and it's like it's oh my god. I'm like I so like

To a degree I still do like feel bad because that's something that they still have to deal with You know my movie coming out next next in in a couple weeks kinds of kindness Which I'm so excited about my one scene in it, I got my titties out, girl. Like, it's like, you know, and I have no personal problems with it, but it is something where I'm like, some people just don't, aren't gonna get it. And you know, that's a whole other thing.

How did your parents react when you told them, and also like, how do you sit your parents down for that? Like, is that after the dinner table? Is it a phone call? Is it a FaceTime? Is it a letter? So I didn't tell them that I was in the audition process because I really wasn't sure that I was gonna do it

because once again, I didn't think acting was my calling or anything. It's not my plan. It wasn't my plan. So I didn't tell them until I had actually gotten the job, which kind of left them in a situation, because it didn't really give them room to like give their opinions or whatever.

But I think they were just like worried because they don't come from this world. And sometimes I get really jealous of like my peers in this industry that do have like family in it because I mean, there's pros and cons, but for a lot of reasons, I'm really happy that my family is in this completely separate world. But like the guidance part,

I think that's what they were worried about is, I think they, even though they didn't know a lot about it, I think they know the nature of this industry can be very intense and they just didn't want me to get like fucked up by it. That's a good point and it also sucks. It's so crazy to think that like your first fucking acting job is euphoria.

Like that is so baller, but it's also like, I get what you're saying, if your family doesn't come from the industry at all, there's also this like natural judgment of like, are you about to fuck your life up? Like, oh my God, are you making the biggest decision that is gonna like ruin your whole life? Where like other people that may be like,

are you more used to it? It's like, this is how it goes, like get the role. I just had to tell that I had to be like, like it is, I think I used the word risque. And I don't think, Hunter. Just like a little risque. And then cut to them at the premiere. Like I don't think my mom could even watch it.

Like it's, you know, it's insane. It's insane. You're like, oh my God. It's almost like when you watch a movie with your parents that has a sex scene when you're young. And you're like. And you're pretending you're like going to get your ice cream at the time.

Cause it's so awkward. Meanwhile, you're like, so that's me and I can't run away from this. Oh my God, God bless you, honestly. That is strength within strength. So I'm curious though, when you were talking about kind of closing out that chapter of middle school, obviously everyone needs a fucking outlet

of like, I am dealing with all this shit. I remember reading, you said you journaled, I don't know if it was in middle school, but like, what did you do to like feel less alone with all these thoughts? Well, yeah, I think, and it's part of, it's just part of my nature too. And I think part of like the pressure cooker

that I sort of placed myself in growing up in a place where I was so unhappy with my surroundings is I really like devoted my free time and like my life to like my art and at the time it was visual arts where I put all my creative energy but I knew that that is like my gift is like I'm an artist and it's still tea to this day. Like I know that that's what I was put on this earth to do was to like make stuff. But you know at the time it was visual arts and so I did everything that I could to just kind of like put all my energy into that and you know it ended up being like my first job.

Like in high school my first job was contributing to, making little watercolor comics for an online magazine. And so that was like, this is what's gonna get me out of here and get me to where I wanna be in life. Totally. It's so, even hearing you say that, it's so hard in general being a child,

but at that point it just sucks because there are so many kids that get to live their life and be not having to escape and get to go to the fucking playground and frolic around you being like, I was trying to use this as an escape so I didn't have to deal with what the fuck was going on in reality.

Then you get to high school. Did you ever talk to anyone that you felt actually understood you? Well, so, I mean, this is the thing is, when the trans thing started coming up, and that kind of started coming up with the onset of puberty, which I was experiencing severe levels of anxiety that no middle school or high schooler

should be going through at that time, for especially around something that's, you know, quote unquote inevitable. And I realized that this like wasn't normal. And then I turned to the internet, because I didn't even know what being trans was. I had no idea that you could, there were trans people in the world. And that's the kind of isolating piece

of growing up in the South, nobody talks about it. There's no people in my line of sight that are this. And then so I went to the internet, I looked on YouTube and found out, oh shit, you can, it isn't my destiny, it doesn't have to be my destiny to become a fucking man and grow a beard, and all that stuff.

And then, but then it's the whole thing of like, okay, now that I know that this is my tea, I have to get everybody else on board because I'm still a fucking kid. So that, and that was harder because I didn't know what it was. because I didn't know what it was. My parents didn't know what it was. And that was a bit harder as far as like, you know,

there were moments of like when I first came out where like I told them like I'm a girl and they were like, no, you're not. Like, you know, but it's not because, I think they've always known like deep down, but like they didn't, there's, when you don't know like what it is, like there's no way to like, like,

real or I don't know, contextualize that. It's like the concept, like when you say that, like to actualize it, like people have a hard time, especially because like you're saying like, no one around you guys, you could relate to. So you're coming to your parents with this information. Obviously some parents are fucking awful when it comes to this, but it sounds like your parents-

They came along. Right. They were just like, I don't understand what you mean. Yeah. And I think they started realizing, because with the onset of puberty and everything is where my first, I've dealt with mental health for a while now,

but that's when it first started showing up is depression and anxiety and my grades started fucking up and I became kind of, I was becoming a shell of a person and I think they could see that. And then they were like, shit, okay, this is like, we gotta figure this out. Right, and that's what's so heartbreaking for houses that don't accept their child.

Because it's like, let them be who they need to be because you're right, you're becoming a shell of a person because you're not who you authentically know you need to be inside. And everything is telling you one thing and and then everyone's like no, no, no, don't do that Well, I think it's out of love like I think it's like, you know, and I think it's like my parents first reaction was was like that because like they love me they Want me to be okay and I'm I'm pitching them this insane idea that I want to I want to chop my dick off and become a woman like That's a very crude

way of putting it, but to get my point across. I think no one wants anybody that they love to endure a harder life than they have to, but sometimes that's the fucking deal. What I love about you and even sitting here, your energy is just so incredible. Thank you. And I think back to younger you, obviously going through it, but what kind of traits, I don't know if that's the right word, but traits do you think you gained through having to really endure a lot of turning inward within yourself and like betting on yourself and Relying on yourself. Yeah being trans has been one of the great challenges of my life and it sucks that I had to deal with it so so young and that I live in a world that

You know is constantly fighting me on that And it and it absolutely fucked me up, and I'm still dealing with the ramifications of that today. But at the same time, I would not have it any other way, because it has taught me, and that's why I'm so thankful for it. It has taught me that the power of intuition and kind of like the proof that I have

like a soul and you know, and like, and that all the answers are inside of me, you know? And at least for my truth and my life and whatever. And like that is like priceless. And it's something that I use as a grounding force in everything that I do in my life now. So yeah, I'm so thankful for it. First of all, thank you for sharing all that

because I know it's personal and I really appreciate you opening up because when you're saying the intuition thing within yourself, it almost made me cry because I'm like, that is so fucking real. And so many people watching this are probably gonna clip that. That's why I wanna share this stuff.

It's incredible. And just sharing your experience, that is so powerful to be like, lean the fuck into what you feel, stop listening to what everyone else is saying. I know it's so fucking hard, but when you can start to channel that, we all know what's best for ourselves.

No one else does. And you can even, it's so weird, your layers of consciousness and everything, because you can totally, on surface level, be telling yourself something is right for you, when in reality, deep down, and you know it's there, but you won't look at it, you're only looking at this thing that you're telling yourself,

but deep down, you know. You always know. You always know. You know? You can try to avoid it sometimes. I feel like that's literally not how people do things. Yes, and you literally put yourself in your own psychosis of believing in this reality that is not actually your truth.

It's so real. It's so crazy. I also appreciate, as we're just going through your life, I wonder, and you don't need to answer, but is it annoying sometimes? Because a big part of your life is this moment that you realize, oh, I don't know if I'm happy with the way

that I was born and I want to be this way, and I'm so happy with myself now. But is it annoying when you're in interviews that like, I want to- I've talked about this before in interviews. Because I didn't want to be like, I didn't want to ask you about it. That's why I was like,

oh, we got to high school in your life. I know. What happened in high school? I would ask anyone on the show and I hope you know, you can talk about it as much or not as much as you want, but are you like, can we move on? I'm this cute girl. So I thought about this today

because I just recently had an interview come out where I fucking, this was the longest interview I've ever done. It was two four hour sessions. And so I really just was, I was hyped up on caffeine. I was yapping. I was talking about whatever I wanted to.

And I did, I gabbed about how fucking frustrating it is to constant because like in interviews for like press things when I'm promoting a movie or something it's oftentimes the first thing an interviewer will ask about because it's what makes me unique and they know that it'll get clicks, you know? But what's frustrating to me about that is I'm here to promote my work in a movie that has nothing to do with that and you are just fishing for things

that will get you clicks. And that's what's so frustrating to me about that. This today, and what I love about this podcast is that we're talking about real shit and life and whatever, and I can't really talk about my life in full honesty without talking about it. And it is something I do believe, because I didn't really, fame is something that I'm like,

I don't, like I didn't really, I knew what I wanna do like with my life often involves fame to some degree. I don't, like I didn't really, I knew what I wanna do, like with my life often involves fame to some degree. It's not something that I thoroughly enjoy, but I do feel like I have been put in this position in order to help progress like the movement. But do you ever feel exhausted from that? Like it's not your fucking job to educate people? All the time, all the time.

And that's the thing, I don't like talking about like, just like educating people on like the fact, like bitch Google is like literally, that's how I learned about it. So you can certainly do it too. But as far as like my experience and also helping other young trans people who might watch this or watch some of my other work,

which sometimes I do incorporate my trans into my work. That's who I'm doing it for. Yeah, I feel like there's a difference between genuinely and authentically just speaking about your experience and people are like, oh, I like what she said there versus being like, so Hunter, in high school. And you're like, Jesus fucking Christ. I'm promoting the hunger games.

Why are you asking me about what it was like being a tranny growing up in the church? Like, what the fuck are we talking about? No, I respect that. And I just wanted to hear from you because I bet it's fucking annoying. Speaking of high school, did you dabble with drugs and alcohol at all?

Were you pretty clean? So, and that's something that I think the church thing that I'm pretty thankful for is I did, I would smoke weed with my friends and now I've come to learn, I fucking hate weed. It's not for me. I cannot smoke it, and I had this really horrible experience with it when I was 18, 19 or something

where I smoked and I literally thought I was in hell and then I've never done it again. So I'm really off of it. That's the only thing that I kind of dabbled with. And then drinking here and there, but never really getting into it. That's been more of like a early 20s thing, you know? You need to be like in your room, like by yourself,

or that could be scary, or with one friend that you trust. Yeah. And like, ease in. Yes. Because that's my thing with weed, is like, because some people can just smoke and just like, kiki,, bitch, that is not how, like when I have smoked weed in the past,

I become nonverbal, I'm on the floor, and like a creature, like that's just, when I have smoked, that's my tea, that's what I give. Terrifying. And you can't do that around, especially people you don't know, then you're like, psych yourself out. Like Hunter, you're like, yeah. That's what I give. Terrifying. And you can't do that around, especially people you don't know. Then you're like, psych yourself out.

Like Hunter, you're like, yeah. I'm just, no. And also they're like, it's weed. Like it's not that deep. And you're like, it is that deep. It is that deep. I think weed is one of the most psychedelic drugs on the fucking planet.

I mean, that's a stretch, but like, it's, I think it is very psychedelic. Okay, let's talk about Euphoria. ["Euforia"] Okay, let's talk about euphoria. Okay. I think I read somewhere, but I don't know if you've ever actually told the whole story on a show where I can hear you.

Tell me the story of how you got the role and how it all came to be. I was taking gap year in modeling in New York at the time. I got scattered over Instagram, blah, blah, blah. I go to model. I'm like, I want to make some money. That's not what happened, by the way. But I left modeling in debt. You can dream. That's another story. Anyways, I'm doing my model give. And right as I'm getting ready to go to college, because that was my plan, I was going to save up money, whatever, go to college, because that was my plan. I was going to save up money, whatever, go to college. Then this casting call comes about.

And I see it floating around on Instagram. And then my agency tells me that they have asked me to come in. And so this happened with, there are a handful of trans girls working. There's a lot more now. There's like a handful of trans girls working in modeling at the time. We had all gotten asked to come in for this audition.

And I was really like, I don't know, cause it's like trans and it's not written by a trans. I'm like, I don't know. And then, but I go in cause they really want me to and cause I'm like, okay, let's just like see what this is about. And I went in and by the way, I have no acting experience. I have no idea what I'm doing.

So I get in and the great thing is that they essentially just wanted me to play myself. So I got to basically just like be myself with lines and I think that whatever it was, it worked for them. So I keep getting callbacks, callbacks, callbacks. Eventually they fly me out to LA for like a final audition in front of all these HBO execs in this crazy room. And then I find out later that afternoon that I got the role. And I was still teetering on like,

do I, this was not my plan. And this changes everything. And I have to be completely honest. Then I saw the paycheck, the per episode, and I was like, this is more money than I've ever seen in my whole entire life. I don't think I can say no to this. And frankly, at that point, I had also read more of the episodes. I really liked the show,

you know? So it's like a combination of those things. And I really liked the showrunner, Sam. We had had really good meetings and I was like, okay, I feel like, and it's the same thing that keeps happening where I'm being handed this thing, I think I have to take it. And so I did. It's so crazy that you had no interest in fame. And obviously, I'm assuming once you took the show,

you guys didn't know it was gonna be, what it was gonna be. So- Well, you guys didn't know it was gonna be, what it was gonna be. Well, I think we all knew it was something special when we were making it. We loved the first scene, oh, it was so magical. We all loved it so much. I mean, we still, we look back on it as wow, we all got to grow up inside of this thing together.

It's really special. But yeah, we didn't know that it was going to become what it did. Yeah. Can you like, take me to that moment where you're like, realizing like the shows out fame is happening. Everyone knows your name? Like, yeah, it's one of the most surreal things I've ever been through because you are still the same person. So I'm still the same person,

but then the entire world's relationship to you changes like that. And it was, I'm not gonna lie, it was really, it threw me for a fucking loop. And thank God we all, the cast and I, came up in this together and we were able to lean on each other in this just really surreal experience. Because I don't know how I could have fucking handled it

if I didn't have them. Particularly Zee, who's one of my best friends in the world to this day, and she, you know, thankfully she had had some experience with Fame already and we were really close by the time. We really like kind of, you know, fell in love with each other as friends in the first season and she was able to help me through all of that too.

But it was very surreal. And I wouldn't say I had no interest in fame because I knew fame could get me the things that I wanted to do in life and I knew that could be a tool. But it's not like I had any person, and I still don't really have any personal, like I don't personally gain anything from it. If anything it's just just made existing in public a little harder as a socially anxious person. But it's an amazing tool to get what I want and to make what I want happen.

No, it's so interesting you say that because people always say, oh, people think they want fame and money, but if you just hand them money, then they actually don't even need the fame. That part, because bitch, if I could walk away from all of this with the money and not, oh, life would be perfect.

And some people like it, like I get that, but like. Yeah, some people do, and some people are meant for it. Some people were like, this is what you were supposed to do. Do you have a moment where you were like, found yourself like very overwhelmed by it all and you like were shutting down? So I remember some of the first moments of getting recognized in public happening. Like, I think me and Barbie were at a cafe and, you know, the first like four episodes or something were out

and it hadn't really started, but then, but we're just at a cafe, money are in business, and then we have people start coming up to us and it's the first time this has ever happened to me and it's just really surreal. And then I think the moment that I really realized things were changing was I was in New York doing press

and it's one of those interviews, I forget what it's called, but it's like, it's like kind of public because they do the interview in this like corner glass thing. Oh, like the Today Show vibe where it's like, Today Show, people can see you. People can see you from the inside. And you know, so I walk in to do this interview

and everything's kind of normal. And then by the time I come out from doing the interview, a crowd and paparazzi have amassed and then we get followed around, and my mom is there with me too, and we get followed around by these paparazzi for the rest of the day. And just coming from what I come,

and it was, I couldn't fucking process it. And it's scary, because getting followed and having people scream at you and stuff, it puts you in a fight or flight. Because you can understand on a surface level what's happening, but your body doesn't know that. And you feel like you're in a cage. Yes.

Because you're like, well, I can't open my car door. Exactly, exactly. So you're just kind of like, I'm sad. Is your mom like, what the fuck? I mean, my mom was great because I think she knew that I was really overwhelmed. So she was just there for me. But I think we both at the end of that day

had were just like, what the fuck? Just happened. Yeah, and then, you know, it's kind of never been the same since. Well, and I appreciate you sharing like, you're like, I'm a socially anxious person. So like naturally this isn't something that I'm like, let's go.

Like how do you in moments where your life is feeling too Hollywood, how do you come back to being like Hunter yourself, not Hunter Schaeffer, like Prada, Vogue, all the things? Yeah, and it's taken a while, but I've created this dichotomy between the Hunter Schaeffer that I give to the world and then like, Hunty, who that's what my friends call me and everything.

Like those are two different people. And so she, the famous Hunter is kind of like my drag and having those be separate is so important for my fucking sanity. And it's also, it's one of my greatest gifts in this life is I have wonderful, wonderful friends and family. And it's also, it's one of my greatest gifts in this life is I have wonderful, wonderful friends and family. And they're people, a lot of them have been around

before I got famous and so they know me and can't really project my drag onto me, like they know me for me. really project my drag onto me, they know me for me. And so having them there is just priceless, yeah. That's amazing that you've been able to figure that out pretty quickly, because that takes some people a really long time. It was not quick.

Right, okay, well even though you don't think it's quick, some people literally get to the point where at the end of their career, they're like, I should have disconnected more. And I do think, thank God you have your friends and family that are like, you're hunty bitch. Don't forget it, okay? And we're gonna treat you like you're just hunty

and you're not Hunter Schaefer and we're not gonna treat you different. Because that causes people to become monsters that they're like, do this for me and do this for me. And then you're not even a real human, you're a robot. No, you're like, yeah, it's psycho. And it's sad to watch, because we do watch it happen to people sometimes.

A lot, yeah. Obviously I have to ask, is season three happening? Like what are we doing? Girl. Obviously, the real tea is I have no fucking idea what's going on and you can ask literally all of the cast and it's, I mean, it's, I mean, here's the real tea is that a lot has happened,

but at least for me and knowing where the rest of the cast is at and everything too, I mean, a lot has happened. We have had, and it's hard to talk about, but you know, we've had deaths. Girl, get emotional. It's, I think everyone feels a certain sense of, oh girl, sorry.

Oh, it's okay. Anticipation for like, if we are supposed to do this season three of like, obviously I'm still coming to qualms with what's happened and losing people that we really loved and we're a part of this family and everything, you know? And I think season, if we do go back, it's... That's gonna be tough.

I mean, and I think there's a world in which we can channel that into making it a beautiful season three if it is supposed to happen. But I think that shit really threw everyone for a loop. So on an emotional level, and then there's all these industry, whatever political things that go into whether or not this is happening, but that's emotionally, I think, where a big part of what's happening too.

I'm so fucking sorry. And clearly, you were obviously so close. When you even talked about the cast, I'm just so sorry because when you talk about this rise, this became your family. These are people that you were like, fuck, I don't know how to handle this. None of us know how to handle this.

Let's all lean on each other. So I can't imagine, and I'm so sorry. And there is no right or wrong, whether you guys come back or don't. It's been one of the most incredible rides. And you guys have done such an incredible job. And thank you for giving your life to something that has really brought so many people

like entertainment and happiness. And like, there's a lot of themes that I think people have like loved that are very progressive and have just like helped a lot of people. So whether it comes back or not, we love you all and we support you. Thank you.

And thank you for being real with me and letting me give my emotional teaser and whatever. Cause it's still, I'm still in it, girl. It's crazy. Grief is a motherfucker and it's not linear. And some days you'll see a picture in it when you were like a thing in the street and you're like, it's-

It'll hit me on the toilet. I don't know what, it's just like, you know, it's crazy. You never know. You never know. OK, I'm going to shift our energy and we're going to play Would You Rather. Oh, shit. And then we're going to get into dating. OK, yeah, we're reoriented. OK, OK, OK. OK, here we go. We're going to play Would You Rather. And then we're gonna get into dating. Okay, yeah, we're re-oriented. Okay, okay, okay. Here we go.

We're gonna play Would You Rather. Would you rather wear euphoria style makeup every day for the rest of your life or never wear makeup again? Never wear makeup again, easy. No shade to euphoria makeup. I just am a no makeup girl. Love it, you're gorgeous. Okay, would you rather send a nude to the wrong

person or accidentally send a sext to your mother? That's insane, Alex Cooper. That's such a fucking crazy question. I would, well, it depends on who's getting the nude because like my friends and I, like, we, we, you know, they see me naked. It's no big deal. But what if I fucking send it to my mom? Then that's might just be as bad as the sext. You know what?

I think, you know, my mom has seen me get butt fucked on television. I think she can handle an accidental sext and we can recover from that. I love that. Thank you. This is so much about you and your mom. What would you do? Honestly, I guess I was gonna say the nude,

but again, it depends who it's to because of like, I'm looking cute. I'm like, oh my God. It's like accidentally I send it to an ex. I'm like, mm. Yeah, but right. That's, you know. Right, you're like, oh my God. It's like accidentally I send it to an ex, I'm like. But, right, that's, you know. Oh, not bad. But if it's to like a coworker or like a producer,

an executive, oh. No ma'am, absolutely not. I think my mom, depending on the level of the sex, like if it's like a choke on your cock situation, um, I'm like, mom. Eva! This is such a crazy question. And I wrote it, I'm like, what. I didn't touch a crazy question. And I wrote it.

I'm like, what is wrong with me? I pray for both of us that we never have to deal with that. Me too. Me too. What is your opinion on sexting? It's like, I've tried. I've had cute moments with it. It's never ideal, I would say.

It's exhausting. It's exhausting. For me personally. I personally, I hate texting in general. Done. If we need to, if we're gonna talk, FaceTime me. I'm a FaceTime girl. So the texting, oh no.

Have you ever reused a nude? Absolutely. The best. Absolutely. Perfect use of your time. Yes. You're like, oh, let me go into the storage closet. Yeah.

Let me pick out which one I'm loving today. Go to the library, pick it out. Yeah, get that shit out there. Okay, here we go. Yeah. Drunkenly hook up with a friend who you know has feelings for you and you don't have feelings back.

Or you have to get back with your most recent ex for a month. you have to get back with your most recent ex for a month? Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. And I don't know how many lesbians you've talked to, but most of everybody has already had sex with each other and probably will again. And that is very much the case for me in my lesbian friend group. So that would probably be no problem if that happened.

Easier, easier. Have you ever hooked up with a friend and regretted it? if that happened again. Have you ever hooked up with a friend and regretted it? I don't really regret too much. Okay. No, I mean, I've definitely drunkenly done things where I'm like, ooh girl, that didn't need to happen. It's not, no shade, no nothing.

Okay, okay, fair. Yeah. What is going on in your dating life? Are we single? Right now? Yes. Are we dating? No, we are, I'm single as fuck. Okay.

Are you loving it? I am loving it. So yeah, so I mean, you know, like I think it is perfect for where I'm at in life right now. Because especially given this past week's stuff where I am about to undertake this enormous project. And the last time I did it, you know, I was in my first relationship when I first started Euphoria. And I didn't know going into it how much of me it takes and I really live in that world when I'm doing it and that relationship didn't end up

working out because I just had no capacity to do a relationship. So I think it is so perfect that I am single as a Pringle right now because I get to just dive headfirst into this. But yeah my last relationship was like it's where we hit the year mark a little bit ago since we broke up so yeah. Do you prefer someone in the industry or not in the industry? It's not really a... It's still tough and I still don't totally know, but you know, because I've done both. They both are really nice for their own reasons because obviously, and I have this with my friendships too, where like,

my job and my life that I live requires me to be on standby all the time. I found out that I'm spending the rest of the year in Europe, like not even a week ago. And, and you know, it's like, it's hard to maintain relationships. And so the people that have stuck around in my life know that I operate on this level where like, you know, and it's all like my best friendships are like this, where like we can go a month or however long and not talk. And then when I come back or when they come back, we can pick right back up where we left off.

That's how I operate in my relationships. Like it's just how it is right now. And so yeah, like with the relationships too, it's nice dating other people in the industry because they also work like that. Right, so they get it. They're not gonna be annoyed that you're leaving for a certain amount of time.

Where's someone not in it? Because I've had friendships end because they're just like, girl, what, what's going? Where are you? Where are you? Yeah. You're like, I have work. Yes. Yeah.

Okay, what is the best first date you've ever been on? Best first date I've ever been on? I, so the date, like dates is like, not, I'm just now getting into the era of my life where I'm an adult and I feel more like the idea of someone asking me on a date or me asking someone on a date, like a first date where you go to dinner and you get to know each other. I haven't done a whole lot, a lot of my previous stuff is like, we start out as friends, or random hookup, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then it turns into whatever it is. But I would like, I would like the dating thing. It sounds fun. Like, take note, okay? Someone take you on a fucking date. Did you go on a first date with your husband? I did, it was like the best first date I ever had. Which is annoying, cause I hate that.

Like I feel like some dates could be great first dates and then they like turn out to be fucking shit. It turns out that he wasn't a dick. He actually was a lovely guy and I ended up marrying him. But I've had good first dates, but I've had awful first dates before. I also think like it is more normal sometimes to just like go from friends and then all of a sudden

you're just like hanging out at your house, your apartment and like, that's fine too. Have a sudden you're just like hanging out at your house, your apartment and like that's fine too. Have you ever had it where like after a first hookup, you're like, oh my fucking God, the chemistry was so insane. Like I must see this person again. So you've had that before. Absolutely. Yeah.

And that's tends to be when those like what will turn into a relationship. Okay. Who is currently your celebrity crush? Oh God. oh God. Let's see, who is not offensive to say that you won't have to run into next week? Oh no, let's see. I don't know, I can't like say this stuff.

Actor? I'm trying to think. Musician. Well, I have a type. Okay, what's your type? I love a musician. True. I've dated a couple now.

I think I've seen that. Yeah. I think I've seen that. I've dated a few now. I love a musician. One with like long hair, one with like short hair. No, it's like the little sucker in me that's just like, oh my God, you are so charismatic

and you will play the guitar, whatever. And I'm like, goo goo ga ga. Has anyone ever written you a song? Yeah. Oh, Hunter. Yeah, oh, and trust me, they know what they're doing too. They know what they're doing with that. And, but it works, Steve.

Oh my God. Like on the guitar, just like sitting on the bed. You know, yeah. Or like, you know, send it to you and you know, like, you know, yeah, it's, it works. I fear for anyone who has this happen to them because you're gone. You're done.

If you meet another musician, do you think you're gonna be like, I have to break the curse and the pattern or are you gonna go back? Are you talking to any musicians right now? If you find a musician that you like again, are you gonna just go right back in? Girl, I mean, no.

So the thing that's tough with musicians, or at least in my line, or with successful musicians who are doing tours and stuff, is like, it's, I mean, and I guess it's the same thing with actors, where they have to go off for however many months and tour. And then I'm working for how it's very hard. So I don't know if that is like in my path again, because I've done it and I've tried it

and really tried to make it work. And it's just very hard. And I don't have, at least at this point in my life, I don't have the capacity to like figure out how that works. Maybe someday though, we'll see. Do you like how I like let you off the hook? I'm like, okay, you don't have to answer. I'm like, I really wanted to give an answer. You'll tell me after. But it's like, yeah. though, we'll see. Do you like how I let you off the hook? I'm like, okay, you don't have to answer. I really wanted to give an answer.

You'll tell me after. You'll tell me after. Do you fall in love easily? So I don't know, falling in love is so, I'm still figuring out what it means because I've been in love with people who are still some of my best friends to this day and um and like we were definitely like in love at that point but it's changed in its nature

and I still love the shit out of this person but it's not like that infatuation so I feel I it's there's a part of me that's like is is being in love just a deep infatuation and then that sort of subsides and then it just becomes like, you just love this person. I don't know, it's sort of funny. But I also, I know what being in love, it's like a whole body, you know, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I think that makes sense. I think you're at that point in your life where you're experiencing these relationships.. But I think that makes sense. I think you're like at that point in your life where you're like experiencing these relationships. I've been through it enough now. Yes, but like you may find someone at some point that you're like, oh, wait, that is different than infatuation. Right, right.

That's when you'll know is when you're like, oh wait. Cause love for me when I was younger, like it really, I went through a point where it was just infatuation. Then I was like, is this love or is this infatuation? And then I think when I met Matt, I was like, oh, this is like different. Yeah, with my past relationships,

I've been like, we were in love, in love. Like I know what that is. Yeah, and it's confusing, you know what I'm saying? Well, cause it feels different with every partner also. Yeah, and I also don't believe in like one true love necessary. No, I completely agree. How do you handle when people like public opinion

on your like romantic relationships? That is something that I have learned. So my last relationship was my first public relationship. I don't know if I'll ever do it again. At some point when you're doing it, it gets just too hard to, I mean you can try to hide it, but whatever. But I've also come to this point just with fame in general

where people are gonna say what they're gonna say and I really don't give a shit. Cause I get called a man hundreds of times on the internet every single day. It's like, I'm so used to like the just fucking idiots just like saying, shut the fuck up. Bullshit all the time.

So like it's, you know, on one hand it's like, I don't care. And then on another hand, it's like, if don't care. And then on another hand, it's like, if you don't, like, obviously a relationship is, is like personal and private and like, you should not be, you need to eliminate as many factors that are gonna make it more complicated than it needs to be if you can.

So I don't know. It's something, when I start dating again or something, I'll figure that out. Well, I think it's interesting too, like you said, this was your first public relationship, and I think there's pros and cons where you're like, finally we can just be, and we can go to an event together,

as we would want to naturally do, but then you're like, people are taking pictures, and then people are staring. And then when you break up, someone like me is asking you about it, and then you're like, Alex, don't ask. Well, no, I'm excited to be talking about love and everything.

Like, it's not like things that I don't wanna talk about necessarily, because I've learned a lot. And something that I really love about all my relationships is I've, like, you know, even if like, bad shit has happened in them or whatever, or they have like fucked me up to some degree or something, that they have all, I feel like all of my relationships, I've come out knowing that it taught me something

about myself and about people. And I feel really thankful for that. Absolutely, I feel like that's the best takeaway from any relationship, anything in life, even if it's not romantic. It's a friendship, it's a work relationship. I was, when I was researching you, I was reading something where your former co-star slash relationship,

he kind of talked about his need to get out of his codependent tendencies. I'm sure you read this. Were you on the same page? Is a breakup where you're blindsided or were you okay? Yeah, so he said that, but that breakup was, it was like a mutually, it was a mutually agreed upon, and it's one of the cleaner breakups I've had of like,

we both recognize that this is not working and we can't do this, we gotta go our own separate ways. And it was so, so hard, because we really loved each other, you know? And he's a really special person and I love his soul and everything. And by no means was that really, that was, it was messy, you know?

But it was a clean parting. And, and he has a lot to work on. And I also have a lot to work on, like, and, and like, and so I think that's also why I'm in this like era of like, I'm gonna, I gotta figure my shit out because that was, we had a really good thing and, but, but there were things in our own selves that had nothing to do with each other that kept coming up in the way of the relationship.

100%. What are you like in a relationship? I think it's different for everyone. It's really different with every kind of person too, because I've been, I used to exclusively date not men. And this last relationship was my first relationship with a man, a cis man, you know? And so, and it's different, it's very different

than like dating, I've dated trans women, I've dated trans men, I've dated cis women, and all of it, you know, I've kind of been around the block and it changes, like the transness is really interesting because everyone interacts with it differently, everyone has their own like, you has their own way of approaching it. And I have my own way of approaching that relationship with that kind of person.

It's interesting. It's a sort of like, change switching. Do you mind sharing a little? Yeah, no, I'm excited to talk about it. Yeah, this is interesting. Yeah, so I'm so thankful for my first relationship. And I've talked about this before too. It was with a trans woman.

And it was my entrance into sex, romance, all of that stuff. All of those were firsts in that relationship and it was with another trans woman. Thank God, thank God. And I'm so, and we're still friends to this day too. That, you know, she she kind of showed me the ropes because dating as a trans person is complicated, let me tell you, it's not easy.

And to know in my first relationship and in my first really being in this mutual love thing, first time having sex, that I got to do it with somebody who completely understands my gender. It's incredible. And it's like, oh, I'm so thankful for it. And that's and so I'm really thankful that I started out with other trans people because there's sort of being trans or having trans people in your life,

there's a lens that you sort of acquire and it's something that like ignorant people who have no idea how to engage with trans people or think about trans people, they don't have the lens that allows them to see whatever person as the gender that they are presenting as or whatever. And this is a lens that you acquire as you like, you know, spend more time with trans people and everything. And so like knowing that that lens is there with whoever I was with, amazing.

And then it's interesting branching out from there into like cis people, cis women or cis men, where I'm not sure that they have the lens, even with hookups or whatever. This is a constant anxiety I've had with hooking up with like cis women or something, is that I'm worried, especially also because I'm pre-op, that maybe are they seeing something in me that is not part of what I give or something and

they might want, and I've had hookups before with like cis women where they wanted me to like fuck them or something like a guy and it's because I have a dick and like that's like and then like that coming up in a hookup and being like, oh God, it's tough. But then you will find cis people who do know and just get it. And that's what was so amazing about my ex-boyfriend was from the get-go, never, never a fucking,

he saw me exactly for who I was, which is amazing. It's amazing too. I appreciate you describing this too, because like, it's kind of hard to, No, but like I'm, I'm keeping up with you because what I, first of all, I'm so happy for you. And I know everyone doesn't have that experience.

It's like the fact that you were with someone you felt so safe with and you were like, oh, you get me, because we're similar. So it's, it's a privilege to come across people in romance and sex and dating where that lens is there. If someone understandably is like, I don't know what you want and they come to you vulnerable of like,

I really like you, are you open to like- That's such a turn on. Oh my God, tell me what you want. They are coming because you know, it puts their intention on the table of, oh, I like you, I do wanna do this with you. I'm just a little inexperienced here. Love that, love that, amazing.

It's when they don't and they don't know what they want or they want something that I'm not capable of giving, then it's like sticky and gross. So your first relationship with a guy, like just like a guy that was... Also my first monogamous relationship. Everything else had been polyamorous because that's what I came up in. That's how I learned relationships. And I kind of touched on it before.

I had built up a complex against men. And so like because most, if not all, of my deeply painful experiences I've had in life have been with men. And so I really, like, came into this complex of I never want to let a man that close to me in my life. I don't see a world in which it's possible. Really, I was kind of, like, it was, you know, my

bare, I put up walls and, and kind of had been the dying, denying the fact that I am attracted to men and I do want to date and whatever men and that that's okay and I need to let my walls out and so that's what was so amazing about my last relationship too is also, and that's kind's what was so amazing about my last relationship too, is also, and that's kind of what was cool about the public aspect, is this is a straight guy who is in the music scene too. And we are in a public relationship, he's dating a trans woman, and he's completely straight. He's only dated cis women before. And he's toting me around, happy to be my boyfriend, in front of the world.

And people are saying horrible nasty shit because it's like, oh, you know, oh, you're so gay. Da da da da da da. He didn't care at all. And that was something that really showed me too where I'm like, okay, you really, you see me for, you know, and you love me for that. Did you guys have conversations before going out in public together? Like, were you anxious

at all? I was anxious, but I was also just head over heels in love and happy to be doing it. And, you know, conversations absolutely should have been happening but also I was like 22, 23 and you know I was just like I'm in love, this person is so much fun you know whatever um so it should have been a thing but it wasn't. But I think also just to and listen like I like I've said all these amazing things with him. He was not perfect. And it's no secret, it's out there in the world. You know, and it's part of why the relationship ended

is I got cheated on for the first time. And he's talked about this too, like in his song, he writes about it. So it's fine to be talking about it today and it's like part of my truth, but that like fundamentally changed me as a person. And it was this whole process of like realizing that cheating has nothing to do with you.

At all. Oh my God. And it has everything to do with that person and whatever kind of pain they're in or whatever they're dealing with. It's all that, but it's so hard. I would say, cause in the moment, it feels like it's all for you.

You're like, what did I do wrong? And then eventually, I love that you're obviously like a year out, you're clearly at that place where you're like, I can, you know that and you're saying it with confidence. But in the moment, you're literally like, oh yeah. And then as a trans woman also, with a man who has never dated that before.

Then it's my mind, you know, and I knew it wasn't the truth. And we both know that, I have no doubt that it is. But you can't help but your brain goes there. But my brain, because of the way I've been socialized as a trans woman, like, and it's been this like crux in my life of like why life has been so hard sometimes. I'm like, oh my God, is this it? Like, can I just not, you know?

But so it's cuckoo bananas. How did you find out? So I kind of knew, you always kind of know. The gut. Yeah, the gut. And because I kind of knew, I went into the phone. Yeah. Hunter, welcome to all the phone, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Hunter, welcome to, how are you dad? Which I'm not proud of. I'm not proud of either. I've done it before. But the amount of people that have sat here and been like, it's fucking normal because when your intuition is like hitting you in the face, you're like, okay, fine, I'll look.

Yeah. And the reason you're looking is because you fucking kind of know something. Yeah, yeah. And then you go. And this stuff, it makes me so nervous to talk about this stuff because I really, I have no interest in letting the public into what happened and everything. I absolutely,

I want to make this very clear. I have absolutely no fucking desire to like, like, because what happened with that was between me and him and, and keep it and I wanna protect that. But at the same time, I'm also like, I'm here to talk about my truth and whatever, you know? And he wrote a song and like, yes. And I agree with you. I also think like, I wish people knew sometimes like, some things like are super deep in the moment

and then when you're having a conversation, like there's no ill will. You've literally said like, you were in love with this person. It ended amicably like it's okay. And he's the same way about it. Cause he's the same kind of way, like where I don't think he has any interest in letting the public in either,

but we both are yappers at the end of the day. And we're gonna talk about like, it's hard doing like the bullshit, like I'm putting on a face here. Like, yeah, you know? Getting over a breakup, not even specifically talking about him anymore, but for you and what you were kind of saying,

which I think is a lot for your confidence. As a trans woman, you're like, fuck, am I not? And you almost stopped your sentence, you're like, am I not? What came up for you when that happened? Am I not? your sentence, you're like, am I not, what came up for you when that happened? Am I not? Yeah, I mean, it really, like I said,

it fundamentally changed me and it's still something that I'm working through. But I think- What do you mean by that? Fundamentally changed you, what do you mean? Just in that I don't think I understood, cause I had never been in a monogamous relationship before. So I really, my understanding of relationships

and love and everything really was rooted in like polyamory and queerness and sort of the way that that world works, which is very open. And I don't, I think I, honestly, I kind of looked at people in monogamy and be like, oh, you're cheating on yourself. La la la la la. Which is also what RuPaul said in that interview.

And you were like, no! I literally was like, Ru, I just got married, play off. Yeah, I know. And she was like, sorry, bitch. It was happening. She literally looked at me and was like, sorry! No. I was like, sorry. No. It was like, oh my God.

Oh my God. And you know what? So I don't know where I totally land on it now cause I've done both. Yeah. And you know, and I think there's validity in both and it's really a choice and it comes down to the each individual thing.

But coming from that as my background and the way I learned love, I really looked at monogamy as like a like you're shorting yourself and whatever. And then I got into a monogamous relationship. Oh, bitch, I I get it. I get it. Like, yes, I know. Oh, I loved it. Oh, my gosh. But then it opens up the door for that kind of betrayal,

which is a different world of pain. Were you open to the concept of monogamy? Like did he initiate or did you initiate or you both did? Oh no, I was open to it, because that's what I'm coming from. So I even, like at the beginning, we had talked about it, but that's not what we either of us, I like, we had talked about it, but you know, that's not, that's not what we,

either of us, I don't think really wanted with that. And, and yeah, and you know, I think, I mean, yeah, yeah. Are you open to monogamy ever again? Yeah, absolutely. I really feel like, you know, I've done, I've done both now and, and like, and like I know I can be in either of those positions, but I really liked monogamy too. It's fucking powerful.

It's really cool in its own way. You're like fuck, I hate this shit. Back to Polly. Fuck you. No, but like now I see the faults in Polly because Polly is so much work. It's so much work. Monogamy is so easy because it's just like, it's very simple.

It's just like, I mean, you have to communicate a lot in either way, but with polyamory, you bring other people into that and other people's relationships and whatever, and it's fine, but then you have to communicate not only about your own relationship, but about if that's in the contract for y'all, about the other relationships that are happening

and how that weighs and how to balance that with the person's, your primary partner's feelings. All that, it's like so much work. Yeah. It's so much work and like, you're fucking busy. I'm too busy right now, which is what I said. I'm not gonna be your polyamory, I'm too busy right now. Okay, let's talk about the new movie

that's coming out by the time this episode comes out. Cuckoo. Yeah, right, that's what I'm, that's what I'm here to promote my fucking movie. And like, oh my God, okay, like, monogamy. Like, this is Call Her Daddy. And the reason I love having these conversations, though, is like, I get it, we can do like a press junket

of like, no one wants to know more than anything about you. And then we wanna go see the movie because of you. And we film. And that's why I wanna do this broadcast because I fuck with it. I'm so happy you're here. Thank you. A horror movie.

Yes. Your first lead role? So this is my first, this is the first movie I ever got. It's not the first movie that has come out, but it's the first movie I ever filmed and it's my first lead role. Are you so excited? I'm so excited.

I love this movie and it really feels like a baby. And it was my first, you know. First movie. Okay, horror. I'm such a little fucking bitch when it comes to horror. I'm literally like, yeah, what's happening? That's what's happening. Like, how did you decide on this genre? Like, did you love? Well, I love horror. I'm literally like, yeah, what's happening, that's what's happening. How did you decide on this genre?

Did you love- Well, I love horror. I grew up loving horror. And I also think it's so fun stylistically, particularly with this director too. It was less about the genre and even the script. I watched this director's, who's Tommen Singer, his first film and it's his only other piece of work,

I think that's like out in the world that you can like go buy on Amazon and watch, but it's called Lose and I saw Lose and I was like, oh my God, I have to work with this person on whatever capacity and in that audition process, I like, I fought for that role. And I got it. And I love this movie.

I know this is probably a dumb question to ask, but the process of filming a horror film, like, me, do you ever get scared? I'm literally terrified. It's not like that though. I'm assuming. Well, no, because, well, no, because there were some scary parts

because we were filming in the bitch, in an abandoned, yeah, here we go, an abandoned, like, 20-acre post-World War II military village module that had been abandoned for 50 years. We're shooting at night in these abandoned buildings that have just been sitting there for years. That was scary, but thankfully the casting crew

and every, oh, such a big family. I loved making this movie with them. And so, you know, we were, it was so familial. You know, it was only like when you're like, oh, you have to go walk to your trailer alone and you're like in the woods in the middle of Germany and it's like, bitch, what? It's kind of scary.

But otherwise, no, I mean, I'm, you know, like in the scenes where I'm scared, you know, I have to be scared, obviously, but. I'm just coming from the perspective where like, I'm trying to think of like a movie that you'd be like, why were you scared about that? Like honestly, some scenes in like Vampire Diaries scared me, you know what I mean?

I still haven't seen Vampire Diaries. No, it was great, but like, okay, let me, like Halloween Town, did you ever watch the movie? No. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was scared. Disney, Disney, Disney, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was, no, no, no, that was scary, I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Disney movie. The Disney movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, that was scary. I remember that, yeah.

Yeah, I remember. I'm literally so afraid of, or on Disney shows, if it was the Halloween episode. I'd be like, oh. Oh yeah, no, those were scary. They were! Or, Twitches, did you ever watch? Twitches.

Twitches, and the dark cloud. They literally shitting my pants. Literally shitting my pants. You remember that? Yeah, girl. So good. Yeah. So good. Honestly, a little pathetic,

but I'm so excited for you because obviously you being having this lead role, it's crazy to, this is why I love talking to you because you started this interview being like, I didn't even know if I wanted to be a fucking actress. And I get this call and I'm making no money from modeling and I get that call and I'm like, I guess I'll do it. Now your life has changed.

How has your approach, since now you're like getting on a plane tomorrow, right, to go to Europe, like how has your approach changed though to like being an actress? Yeah, so I, you know, cause I was fighting, I was like, you know, I was really under the belief for like a few years into it that like, okay, I'm just doing this for right now and it's helping

my career, whatever, I'm making money, this is great, but I don't know if this is what I'm supposed to do. And then now I'm in this place where I've, because I've been doing it and I get it now, because also, you have to, I'm learning how to act on the spot with the first two seasons of Euphoria and everything. Like, thank you. Thank you, but I'm learning, on the spot with the first two seasons of Euphoria and everything. You're so fucking good.

Thank you. You wouldn't even know. Thank you, but I'm learning, I didn't understand the craft. I had no idea what I was doing. And I finally, in that process, and in this process of just letting this career happen to me, I have fallen in love with the craft. And now I'm at this place where I'm like,

okay, maybe this isn't what I thought that I was put on this art to do. But this is just another form, I get to put all my creative energy that I used to put into my journals and in my art and everything into this. And I understand how that works now and I've fallen in love with it.

So now it's at this great point where I'm like, okay, this is one of my superpowers. This is what I can do and I love it. Hunter, I'm gonna be honest. This was like one of my favorite interviews. No, seriously, like sitting across from you, I'm like inspired and also like, this is why I love what I do because I've watched you.

I see your social media, but like sitting with you for an hour and whatever, you're fucking awesome. And this, it's just so cool because actresses we don't get to see and even musicians, we don't get to see as much obviously of your personality when you're playing these characters. Because we're putting our drag in the world.

Exactly, but today you coming here, stripped down, being yourself and opening up, I'm like, thank you so much. Thank you, and thank you for giving me the, it's, I'm nervous about showing the world my real tea, you know, it scares me. You shouldn't be. But to do it with you, thank you for making the space

and everything and just being here and kiki-ing with me, that's what this felt like. You're amazing, I literally could keep going, but I know we have to stop, but I love you. Thank you. I love you too. This was great.