Call Her Daddy - Jack Harlow: I’m *Not* Vanilla Baby (FBF)

Episode Date: June 7, 2024

Join Alex in the studio for a sit-down interview with Jack Harlow. Jack reminisces on his childhood in Louisville and why his hometown is so important to him. He also tells some hilarious stories from his teenage years like relying on girls to pass exams, how the Harry Potter books turned him on, and how he lost his virginity. Jack clarifies what he thinks “vanilla sex” is and even gives some insight into what he personally likes in the bedroom. Jack and Alex talk about his songwriting process, his new single, and what fans should expect next. Daddy Gang, get ready to know Jack on a whole new level in this chaotic episode.

Hi. How could someone simply saying hi make you immediately like them? It's a tough one. I don't know if I could describe myself on camera. I'm self-proclaiming myself as the best rapper in Louisville right now, right here. TikTok took it up a notch. Jack Harlow shake out of my heart. Jack Harlow does mention my name in the song. This new Jack Harlow song is currently going viral right now.

And I can push you in. Jack Harlow does mention my name in the song. This new Jack Harlow song is currently going viral right now. And I can put you in. In the upcoming remake of White Man Can't Jump, you've already been nominated for three grand. Ladies and gentlemen, Jack Harlow. What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Jack Harlow, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you.

I am so happy you made it from Vegas. Me too. That was like a close call. Couldn't wait to get out of there. Just like not the vibe to be in Vegas all the time. Shit, it's not the vibe anytime, but... Were you there for 24 hours? I was there for business yeah

business no pleasure oh you know i i take pleasure in business sometimes but yeah i know what you're asking me nah no you didn't meet any ladies i didn't spend any money no okay okay good to know um i want to go back to the beginning because I'm like, already you sitting in this chair, Jack. The ladies are blushing. They're happy. They're cozy. They're like, oh, Jack's here. They all have a crush. But today we're going to make them really fall in love, I can tell.

Okay? So we need to get to know you. Okay? Okay. So we're going to go back to the very beginning. You grew up in Kentucky, born and raised. That's right. You just moved back.

Yeah. Tell me, why is your hometown so... Why are you looking at me like that? Nah, just excited. Talk to me about your hometown and what it means to you. Gosh, where do I start? I mean, growing up listening to rap music, you would hear artists talk about the cities they were from and just lift them up and i was just

like damn like louisville needs that and so it became a priority to me yeah and um i love where i'm from i just love it i love it that's why i'm there it just makes me happy and i think it's like it's slow and it's laid back a little different than la yes very very very um is it okay you just said like you kind of like roll it off the tongue you're like louisville is it louisville you almost got it you almost got it i'd say locally it's the ville is more vol vol louisville louisville louisville it kind of just like in the throat you're just like oh yeah yeah it just it's not it's buttery it's syrupy yeah but like if you hear people say louisville do you give a shit well not deeply and i i'm beyond my like correcting it stage yeah it's just

it's not tasteful but you peep it you notice notice. Yeah, yeah. Well, because my friends both went to college there, like my good friends. And then when I went for a wedding last year, I was trying to suss out the vibe because I was like, I want to say Louisville, but like I was trying to not like embarrass myself. So I just said Louisville. But then you just said I said it right. So I'm going to just keep saying Louisville. Louisville. Louisville.

Yeah, you're there. You're there. What do you think is the biggest misconception people have about Kentucky it's a good question it's really good I see why you're in the position you're in you know what to do I'm just getting started you know what to do trust me I believe it um well I'll tell you specifically the city i'm from feels very misunderstood i think in terms of like a national identity because kentucky's so dominantly rural and louisville is is like a full-blown city like with a downtown tall buildings like hundreds of thousands of people live there so i think we feel a little misunderstood for that reason so

Louisville specifically there's some misconceptions I don't want to speak for the whole state but there's always more than meets the eye yeah there is like you what were you like as a kid I wasn't allowed to play video games when I was really young, so I read a lot. What did you read? Novels on novels. I was really into Harry Potter. I just read. I remember there was this series.

I'm glad you asked so I have a chance to shout it out. It's called Warriors. It was about these cats that lived in clans and tribes, and it just had me fucking hooked. I was deep in it so um i just loved books i don't know if i would be able to do what i was doing without the literature in my early life i heard hip-hop for the first time i was like shit this rhythm mixed with expressing myself it was just i didn't realize you were a harry

potter stan can we talk about that for a second well i'm not a stan but yes then what the fuck are you you just fucking i'm a stan come on let's go oh you're like easily persuaded i'm easy yeah your pressure let's go jack the whole time easily i'm very impressed yeah who's your favorite of the harry potters yeah the characters yeah who was that asian girl he was fucking wet she was like there for a second she had me she had me weak i can't lie she had me open reading

that shit the details jk rowling used to bring it i was in there nine years old pants tightening up like what the fuck is happening to me do you think the first time you jerked off was when you were like at like the 16th chapter and you're like all right i gotta put the book down i'm getting hard no i know what the first time i beat my dick share with the with the class, Jack. Yeah, I just realized I've been waiting for a chance. It's the right opportunity. Jimmy Fallon ain't want to talk about it.

No one wants to talk about that shit. They'll bleep it out. They'll cut the whole thing out. But somehow, this is right up your alley. This will be the whole promo. This will be it. I just remember. I just remember.

I remember the first time I tried to go there, it rose and it was like, the feeling was so unfamiliar to me that I got all the way to near climax and stopped. I think I was 12 years old in middle school and I just stopped because I was like, I don't know what's going to happen if this busts. And so I went to sleep. I just went to sleep. And the next night, I'm like, fuck it, I'm going all the way. And I became an ocean. Do you remember that feeling? Like, what did you think to yourself? I thought, goddamn, I get it. This shit's all right. I love how you gave yourself blue balls for, like, the first time.

I was terrified. I don't know, because it just was rising and rising and rising. I'm like, where are we going? Great feeling. You said that you weren't allowed to play video games. What was your house like growing up? Like, what was the dynamic? Who's in your house?

What's going on? My two parents who love each other deeply to this day. And my little brother. Oh, nice. I owe a lot to my parents. I got good parents. You do? Yeah.

And they're still together. They are. Deeply in love. Wow. So are you kind of like a romantic guy you know i was for a while oh what happened i don't know i'm just deeply in my patch if my patch stage right now like not that i'm i'm not i'm not like necessarily cutthroat i just like i think when i was 21 i just seeked so much validation. And it gave me such a rush to make a girl feel special.

And it was almost like, how many can I make feel special? Just to be honest. And I think I didn't want to sleep by myself. And if I was, I wanted to get on FaceTime with someone and fall asleep on FaceTime. And something shifted where I want my space more than ever and um i mean i'm as transparent as i've ever been and i'm just tell it what it is and i i don't fucking i'm not worried if if it's not right for the other person it's like let's keep moving yeah peace out so it's a different stage i think something in the last like 12 months probably something shifted i think i know it shifted but we'll get there um okay wait to hear

your diagnosis yeah yeah don't worry we're going full diagnosis this is a therapy session just so you know are you in therapy yeah okay good well this is an extended version good you can tell your therapist we don't need our session this week i sit down with alex yeah it's already canceled you said you said that you were like you were looking for validation talk to me about what you were like in high school did you get the girls were you a loser were you bullied were you the bully what was going on um i could always get i could always get the girl I wanted. It's not like I was like, I didn't have my way across the board, but I could get the cute girl. Okay. I could get the cute girl.

I was well-liked in high school. What were your friends like? I feel like that kind of, like, were you like an athlete guy? Were you a, like, chess player? Were you in the book club? I started making music so early that the rapper category kind of got stamped on me really early so I would pass out cds in school and everyone knew I was chasing this for a long time so I was in sort of my own category even locally I experienced a taste of

fame from the age of like 14 on because I would go out in public and people would stop me and ask me for pictures just at other schools so it was unique it was unique i feel like i know fuck what was his name was like sammy do you know who i'm talking about sammy adams sammy adams from philly and i remember i know what you're talking about of like i feel like a lot of high school open for sammy adams when i was 18 years old shut the fuck i was 18 years old no one was there to see me i was playing for his crowds it was fine it's right right of passage right first tour i ever went on like four dates on the east coast we drove ourselves out there no one with us just me my dj and two of my friends and we drove from every venue and we opened up to a bunch of people staring at us like who the fuck is this like can can samuel please come out here like fuck samuel this chat kid does not do it for me and i was like you know no beard glasses still on like

didn't know how to cut my hair like i was it was raw it was a very raw time but it was character building that's kind of funny the juxtaposition of like you being a rapper and then having like your glasses and like maybe not like looking the part yeah i think i think when i was younger i really was like banking on that juxtaposition i think i think i was like oh this shock value is gonna be what does it for me and then i think i got to a point where i took the glasses off and like started like tending to how i looked became slightly more vain and i was like i like looking in the mirror and being pleased i like i

don't really want to be tethered to these glasses so that's how the shift came about yeah were people in your hometown like i feel like sometimes people are assholes at that age being like you're a fucking loser stop trying to make it where were people around you supportive or were they like you're dumb move on it was split it was polarizing for people people were it was it was very divisive like people either thought it was super tight that i was doing that or they thought like from a distance they never would say it to me i was i wasn't stuffing the locker material i was you know i was walking through that motherfucker with broad shoulders like i wasn't i wasn't the high school quarterback but like nobody was fucking talking to me you know

but there were people that definitely thought it was laying and would shit on me and i would hear from other schools that people thought it was laying like oh you fuck with that kid that shit's terrible so it was split you know what's funny is like just so anyone listening the ladies like i think there's something on google because i was gonna give you merch and i was like oh like i i remember i met him at snl and like he's taller than i expected and online there's something of like he's either five eight or he's like six two and there's like a misconception and i think like people think you're shorter than you are so i'm here to say you're pretty tall thank you so yeah you weren't getting stuffed into lockers thank you for that too you wouldn't have fit that's right um how

would your teachers have described you back then if they were British they would have said cheeky I was well liked by my teachers but I was not focused on school at all good grades bad grades poor poor mediocre like d's or c's c's and d's not failing getting through but like not focused cheating endlessly oh you know it's a skill fuck the thing is at the beginning of high school we signed like a uh did y'all have to do that we signed like an oath i was like fuck man they could take me to court because i didn't earn my shit i'll tell you what how far would you go to cheat like did you have any like tricks i had tricks surely tricks now you're not in school trust me i had tricks okay i had tricks i was uh i was just in with the smart girls in the classes i was in with them

you could send picture messages when i was in high school like you know obviously i didn't grow up in the 60s so i'm joking but if i had a vibe with a girl she was coming through with 11 attachments i'm like she would bless me and i'd be like i owe you oh i'm gonna take care of you because that is a love language right there ain't it baby you help me cheat right oh and you will how intimate is that though how intimate is that that is special and i used to just put my arm around like you you held me down like oh i owe you i don't know what i owe you but i owe you something we're gonna figure it out it was the attention what you gave the mergers you ever hook up with anyone that helped you cheat

i'm sure i'm sure i did but i don't think was, I don't know if it was a direct, like, debt exchange when I did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But coincidentally, I may have, but it was love. It was love. I always had a lot of homegirls. Okay. That it didn't have to go anywhere. It was just, there's nothing like the company of a woman.

I know I'm in the right arena to be saying that, but I really, I deeply believe that. Like, it's like, it's so relaxed. It is. Yeah. We're pretty great. Yeah. But what I can imagine is like, did you have a girlfriend in high school ever? I did for a portion of it.

How did that go over with her? You having all these lady friends. Well, she's at another school. No. Let me chill. I feel like you played a lot of games back in the day it didn't feel like it i just was me i just was i was i'd like to i just like to have friends you like to have friends with vaginas it's like i want to move on because somehow the wounds seem

fresh no matter how long ago it was it's just like yo let's chill let's chill we're literally talking about high school middle school so's like oh yeah like there's she gonna hear this how many girlfriends did you have in high school i had one how long a year oh i was on the same shit i'm on now then i'm you know playing the field you know chilling seeing what's going on oh assessing the situation yeah uh-huh uh-huh you are funny okay we're moving on what was the major turning point in your career if you had to say like one big moment we were like oh people fucking know me now i mean what's popping was a huge one there was little steps up till then like there's a lot of people that approached me and told me at

different times in the late 2010s they became aware of me like had these records that would go viral on twitter from like 2017 2018 29 so it was building it was building and then it was and then it took this big jump what was popping and i remember pulling up at a red light and the person next to me looking over and be like and that that was when I was like, okay, it's just I'm out in public. I'm not in my hometown and people are stopping me. So that must be so crazy. Like now understanding that you always kind of were like recognizable in Kentucky, but then to go somewhere else and be like, oh, fuck. I think I'm like famous now.

How do you handle that? Do you like it? It's very validating i mean especially overseas like walking through new zealand and australia and people people know it's like you feel that's one of those moments where you take that time to pat yourself on the back so it feels really good it feels good good. Do you like the New Zealand women? Yeah. What country have you, like, maybe liked the most of the ladies? Who shows you the most love outside of the U.S.?

I really like London. Those women know how to talk. You know what I mean? They know how to talk. You like a woman that talks a lot? Yeah, and i like well yeah you spun that a certain way shut the fuck up but to a point hey let me tell you something you are funny you are funny you're

kind of funny i mean i assumed you were yeah but this is proof right here. Okay, thanks. I just think the women over there have a certain wit and a certain, you know, they just. Cheeky. They're cheeky. And they feel like they read a lot of books growing up. Do you like a strong, confident, smart woman? All those sound good. What's your type? I just like sweethearts, man.

I like sweet ass girls. I like sweet ass girls i like sweet ass girls so if a girl's playing a game with you are you like no like do you like a girl that's like hi jack like i like you or are you saying just like sweet nice-hearted but like maybe they can kind of i'm not saying a girl has to like be a pushover let me walk all over her that's not what i mean by sweet i just mean that i don't like mean spirited energy at all. And I don't like toxicity. I don't that that's not one of my fetishes.

And I know that's, that's going right now. There's a lot of guys that are into that. I have no patience for it. And I'm glad you asked about games. I don't, I don't want to play any game. I just want to enjoy it.

And that's right now. That's who I am right now. If you ask me this when I'm, when I turned 30, who knows? Maybe you're playing the games at 30. Hopefully not. Maybe you're stirring up the toxic.

There's no telling. I'm just saying it may shift from sweet to like, yo, I need a woman that challenges the fuck out of me. And is at this level, is above me, this and that. It's like, it's just who I am right now. Like maybe you want a woman that's like making the bread. I mean, it doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world. Yeah. You mentioned when you were talking about vulnerability. I'm'm like what's your biggest insecurity when you were younger and like do you still feel that way i think when i was really young

my teeth were pre braces my teeth made it you know when you're like eight years old and your teeth are fucked me too it's a common one that was one one. Did you get braces where, like, you would, like, decorate with the colors on the little... I think I had some blue shit going on. But, like, Halloween time, you didn't do, like, black and orange? No, but you did. I didn't. It was, like, disgusting. Like, I look back, and I'm like, it looks like there's, like, carrots and black beans in my teeth.

It don't matter, then. But no one wanted that sex. I could totally see you at 11 years old oh my god i had two big front teeth and no one wanted to finger me no one wanted to touch me doc i was always the girl like never on the top five never getting fingered never damn damn damn i got the craziest story about fingering okay sure i low-key wanted to take this shit to NBC, but we're here. You already brought up fingering. I just want to tell you about a pregnancy scare I had.

Okay, here we go. In middle school. Okay, here we go. I just want to tell you about a pregnancy scare I had. Okay, here we go. In middle school. Okay, here we go. So I had this chick I was messing with seventh seventh or eighth grade i think eighth grade and um she was touching me i was touching her and

a little bit of pre-cum like got on her hands and my hands and you know about pre-cum so so then i i fingered my girlfriend in middle school and the next day she hit me and she's like yeah I think I missed my period and I'm like now hold on and I started my mind starts racing my mind starts racing thinking about it all and we meet up at the buses and I'm like you know I had pre-cum on my fingers when I was touching you I I don't know if, do you think? And she was like, and then days went by. I remember, I swear to God, I remember it so vividly. She texted me.

I asked her, I'm like, did you get it? And she's like, I still didn't get it. My period. And thunder struck outside my window. Thunder struck. And I was like, fuck. And I was so convinced this girl was pregnant and i couldn't tell anybody i had nobody to talk to like we're having a baby like my parents i couldn't have told him i even fingered somebody because it was like what the fuck you do a finger

in somebody and uh little do you know if you told your parents they'd be like let us teach you a little thing about sex it would have been such a relief. So it's my birthday weekend, ruining my 12th or 13th birthday. And I remember being at school and I just like lean against the wall in the hallway as everyone's going into class. And I just slide down the wall and put my head in my hands and start bawling. Like I start fucking crying because I'm so convinced i just gotta go pregnant and just ruined everything and um it was just dark dark dark and then after school i just was like down in the dumps i couldn't tell anyone why and then she came to me and she's like i got my period i was so relieved so relieved

but that was a that was one of my first tastes of grown-up anxiety. Did you use condoms ever since? Yes. On my fingers, too. Wrap that shit up. You know it. Every time you have sex, you use a condom. Yeah. And everyone should.

Have you ever had sex without a condom? I've always wanted to. You think you'll ever get a go? Maybe after marriage. Oh, you'll let it go raw. Yeah. What do you think it will feel like? I lost my virginity raw, actually.

What the fuck? And goddamn, it was great. In that that moment i was like oh shit because it had taken it had taken me and her weeks to get it in because i didn't know you had to wet it up so i was putting i was putting dry on dry i was putting a dry dick against a dry and i was like it's huge i'm like this motherfucker won't And then And then I just Spit it up Spit on it And suddenly

It just It just fell in And I was like I remember I was in that motherfucker I looked down And I was like Are we gonna be here for a minute If I'm lucky

And I started I started And then 45 seconds later It's over We gone I was like I gotta i'm out i'm out but i i it's so funny it's so stupid but it is an amazing moment when you first feel it and it's good it's i know they teach us around that time you're getting all this promotion all this

propaganda put a condom on in my head i'm like all right all right like come on like i'm going to but on my first go i'm not gonna i'm not gonna have a barrier between me and that i want to feel that shit thank god i did because i i was like this is why this is humanity i felt humanity in one stroke i felt the cause of humanity in one stroke we know you love dualipa what other celebrities are you crushing on there's someone but i don't think it's mutual so oh i don't really want to talk about it yeah but like what if you like put it out into the world and it like and it's not time yet it's not time she's beautiful well fucking obviously well there's only a few that are not joking you're doing great what does it say just in case you're

doubting yourself about this interview yeah you're doing great thank you you're doing great thank you i like your purple pants your pink outfit it goes did you match it to the studio or just that happened chance like it didn't i didn't match it to the studio or just that happened chance like it didn't match it to the studio but there was something about the fit that felt appropriate you kind of look like you're the host of this show you fit more into this room than me at the moment but you run this shit let's be fucking honest the fuck but i i'll tell you i'll give you something okay i like a girl next door anyway so So I don't need any internet presence. I like me a librarian.

I like a waitress. Would you like a nurse? You don't know me. You don't know me. You must not know. What? I've written a song about nurses. We really do.

Girls wear scrubs to my shows. And I'm not being funny. Okay, let's role play. You're trying to impress me. You're taking me on a date. Yeah. Walk me through what we're doing, where we're going. What's the vibe?

I really like going to dinner. And obviously that's not revolutionary. But that's just one of my favorite pastimes. Honestly, I love going out to dinner with or without that's not revolutionary, but that's just one of my favorite pastimes, honestly. I love going out to dinner with or without a girl. I just love it. I think I would just set up a plan and just tell you what it is, and we run it. I don't know.

I'm not the most extravagant, but I like to be somewhere quiet. I don't want music blaring. I don't want to be yelling over something. I want to be with you in a dark corner in a booth, and I want us to be able to get as close as we want to get and you know exchange smiles whispering each other's ear like true intimacy that's like if I really want to go on a date with a girl I want to be I don't want to go to a movie I don't want to go do an activity I want to be I want to be how you and I are right now, but there just ain't no marble table between us. I want to be on each other.

When was your last serious relationship? Sometime in the last couple years. How long did it last? A couple years. Have you ever been in love? I'd like to think so. How many times? Potentially once.

Well, I hear people describe love and i'm like god damn like that is something that is something but i don't know if i've been intoxicated like i felt deep infatuation but i i've been in love with someone once i've been in love with someone and love someone and i felt that but i don't know if i felt the highest heights I've seen other people go. I've seen people just lose themselves in it. And it's like, I'm not, it's not a criticism of it. I'm more just like, wow, like that is a deep rush.

Like I ain't never had that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I bet you will one day. Thank you. And then I think maybe you'll say, ooh, like, now I'm really in love. Well, that's how it seems to go, right?

I mean, my high school girlfriend, like, there might have been a sense of, like, ooh, we're in love. And then you have another one after that. And then you have another one. But that maybe is just also life. Like, maybe you're not capable in high school. Like, you actually were in that moment in love of what you were capable of getting. Yeah, and you just keep dialing in your preferences. And suddenly you're with somebody that fits where you're at right then you're like oh yeah this what

the fuck i've been looking for yeah a brunette that's sweet in a nurse outfit done oh you just gave me chills the fuck I want to discuss some of your song lyrics. You say, I'm vanilla, baby. I'll choke you, but I ain't no killer, baby. You're smacking the delivery. On a scale of vanilla to kinky, where are you at in your sex game? Five.

Five. Weak as answer, right? Come on. Well, it's just like i have i have my kinks i can't front but i also if you ask the woman i'm with it's like they're like god damn i wish i could get this guy to just fucking arch his back on top i'm like i'm not arching my back you're not putting nothing in my ass like i'm sorry it's me it. It's me. So everybody's got their thing, but I had to be coaxed. I had to be taught.

I had to learn. I had to learn how to talk. During sex? Yes. You were immune? When I was 19, yeah, I was just like, I was a breather. But I started to figure that out. So, you know, people ask for what they want.

And you're like, some of it, you're like, okay, this is actually turning me up. But then some of it, like the lyric in the song is like, I'll do that for you. It's not making my dick harder. But I know it's not about me in that moment. Can you help me understand? We got vanilla and we got kinky and you're in the middle so i'm gonna say something to you and you're gonna tell me if it's vanilla or kinky okay missionary sex the best it's good as it gets it's that corner booth in sex form ain't it

don't you think sometimes people think missionary would be vanilla but if you do it the right way i know they think it is it's fine with me that's how we got going though that's how the homo erectus was like that's that's default like let's just face facts it's default we've been over sexualized as a culture and motherfuckers don't want to look each other in the eye anymore and put their nose on each other's nose and put their tongue down each other's throats while they're getting strokes like come on like there's nothing better there's nose, and put their tongue down each other's throats while they're getting strokes. Like, come on. There's nothing better. There's nothing better. And everybody has their own preferences.

That's fine. It's not objective, but it feels pretty close to objective. Like, what? You can get in there. Yeah. In there. But I think some people really don't want to look at each other.

Because they're like, I fucking hate you, but just let's fuck. But you're not like that. You're making sweet love. Typically. Every once in a while, while you gotta roll the motherfucker over but yeah yeah yeah what is your favorite sex position we are we just spent the last 10 minutes that is it if i didn't ask you don't know what they call me wow what do they call you you know i make music right mj mj no they don't you call yourself that

no that's i don't know why i got that nickname as a young child my grandmother called me that two years old missionary jack why i was two years old my grandma you know that simba had that shit she wiped some of that shit on my head And she's like He's gonna love Missionary What do you think about Whips and Chains? Obviously it's in your song I like no whips and chains But you can hold me down It's a no go I'm vanilla baby

I choke you I love your takes on my voice She's 28 telling me I'm still a baby nah I don't like whips and chains I don't wanna be tired sucking her toes the girl you're hooking up with if she said jack

it would take the right woman there's someone that could bring it out of me though I know it maybe it's the person earlier that you said you didn't want to say it perhaps sexting crucial Maybe it's the person earlier that you said you didn't want to say it. Perhaps. Sexting. Crucial.

Crucial. Hot take. Are you the guy that's sending paragraphs? Oh, the romance novels? Are you putting like... And then I bend you over and breathe in your ear. Furthermore, we move forward. I do a lot of... I just like to read with my left hand

keep going keep that too all right i like quick fire and that's how i text i like to send eight words six words five words one after another so i'll send i'll send somebody 13 texts in a row i just hate when i read the paragraph if a man has ever sexted me and it's like first and i'm like oh jesus christ here we and it's like, first. And I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ, here we go. It's like, then. Moving forward. And you're like, let's just. Yeah, I mean, that'll make you soft.

I can't lie. Once they go like that, you're like, eh, that was a good effort. My next question was a finger in the butthole. I don't want nothing in my ass, but I don't mind somebody, you know, sifting, sifting. Sifting. Credit carding, you know what I'm saying? That's very intimate. I like being, I like being a little spoon anyway, so I don't mind somebody scratching

my back and then saying, What about a little lick? I can fuck with that. I can get cleaned out. I see why you run this shit. You are funny. You are funny. I feel like your DMs are going to be scary after this episode. Daddy gang goes hard.

Girls, listen to this. Only a few. I'm just joking. How do you feel about handjobs? Traumatized. I mean, my first pregnancy almost came from one. I remember I used to love me a handjob really and i still i still i'm a fan it has to be moisturized but yeah i like it but i just remember that girlfriend i had she used to

stand in front of me at events when i and she would just work my shit over my jeans i swear i'd look at that motherfucking lady that bitch bitch was bruised. But at the moment, it was like, over the jeans. Over the pants, handjob. Just working my shit. I'm leaving there. I've never given one of those. Do you suggest? It's too late for you.

It's too late for you now. You passed that period. What's your best skill in the bedroom? R&D. Rhythm and dialogue. Rhythm and dialogue. Rhythm. Underrated.

Just like me. Misunderstood too. Do you think you're misunderstood? I just, I guess I just feel like, I guess I just feel like I wish I fit in. I don't know. What are you saying in the bedroom? What are you doing over there?

Are you now after you went through your breathing phase? Because that's why. Because now I don't breathe. There it is. I had work to be done and met somebody older than me. And so I think it just turned my dialogue up. They said, let me teach you. Yeah.

And it got out of it. It just became very like express what you feel right now just express it you don't need no lines you wrote earlier say what you feel right this moment so to anyone watching out there that's what i recommend literally stream of consciousness is the best thing you could do like what are you feeling against your flesh right now? Describe it. If you can vividly describe it, talk about it, talk about how you feel about it, what you want, what you want for them.

Say it. Let it be known. Literature. Are you good at detecting if a woman is faking an orgasm no i'm not so sad so many women have probably faked it you're awesome like think about all the women i mean surely surely i don't want to go to dinner later so for sure you're gonna pay and like you know what it is they want the uber ride home let's talk about your new single it is really good thank you it's like it's nice to see you

say something so earnest i know it was hard for you i know you switch them right back into character here shortly but that moment meant a lot to me it is really good thank you it's so catchy it's it's the jack carlo we know and love and i think it must can you talk, though, how it must feel like when you see it's like so popular right now, trending on, as we know, TikTok is so important right now for like music also. What does it feel like when you wake up and you're like, everyone's making a fucking TikTok about my song? Impact is always so validating. And I dropped an album earlier this year called Jackman that I would say like wasn't even in the TikTok universe obviously there's people on TikTok because so many people on there that

took it in but it wasn't a TikTok moment the way this has been or First Class has been and that album meant the world to me and it was extremely introspective and personal. And I love it. It might be my best work thus far. And then to pivot back into something that is high octane, just fun. And it comes on and it's not serious. It's like, let's enjoy ourselves. It feels really good because a lot of what I was making this year is intimate. It's intimate. It's for the headphones.

It's a personal experience. This song is like, you can feel it. You want to play it at a show. lot of what i was making this year is intimate it's intimate it's for the headphones it's personal experience this song is like you can feel that you want to play it at a show yeah yeah is that annoying though like as musicians watch it's like it's kind of wild how influential tiktok is right now like there are people that their whole career started because they hit one beat in one song and people like who the fuck is this so like is it annoying do you ever have to think of like what's gonna work and like what would maybe be better on social media well for example like that album i put out i didn't make a single tiktok for it because it was like this ain't that but this song i knew like i had such a feeling about it.

Like, I just want to, because I know as soon as it came on, I was playing it for people. And it just felt like something like, the masses need to hear this. So, of course, you put some thought into like, yeah, I feel like this is going to, they're going to fuck with this. But I don't know if it's annoying. I mean, it's where fucking culture is. And culture continues to move.

There was something 10 years ago that was happening to the music industry that was so annoying for people. I mean, the streaming switch. There's a world of people like, oh, this is. And TikTok is a weapon. It's a vehicle. And of course, there's people that are working on there. But longevity is longevity.

So we're going to eventually see who translates it to something more but it's the weapon right now yeah it's what it is it's so it's unbelievable it's crazy it's unbelievable what um what is your writing process like i like you in this bag you do i know you had this in you yeah i i'm a businesswoman. Like, I respect the hustle. No, no, I can tell. I'm joking. We can, like, joke around and talk about that. I see how much range you got.

Thank you. My writing process, typically I walk through life, have conversations, and I'll say something to somebody, like we're talking here, and a first line will appear to me. And I'll be like, oh, that's a good way to start a song. And I'll just write the first line down. And suddenly I'll have this collection of first lines on my notes. Then I go in the studio and a beat plays. And if I love a beat, I put it on and I start running through the first lines

and saying different first lines on the beat. And one of them just will slide right into place. Like it'll just be like, and then my song starts. It's not always what it is, but for me that is what has happened to me so many times it's like i come up and if you notice a lot of my songs i put an emphasis on the first line like i really care about the first thing you hear being like okay here we go and like tyler hero for me the ones that hate me the most look just like me like that was something i just had been wanting

to say and you're just waiting for a beat to place it that's so interesting yeah and then you take the other ones and hold them until you find another beat for them yeah yeah or something and then you have the occasion like on loving on me vanilla baby was i heard the beat and he was talking about i don't like no whips and chains and i was like okay i get the subject matter and the first thing i thought of was like i'm vanilla baby and you just mumble something out and you're like okay i, I'm in a groove. Let me lay this down. So sometimes the beat dictates it.

You just get a feeling. That's so crazy. So do you a lot of times go in there and since you're recording, like you'll just say a bunch of random shit that will stick and then you can listen back and be like, oh, I like what I said. I used to. It's like it gets too messy for me. Yeah. And then you end up loving how you did something and you compromise. You write a weak line just because you want that bounce so i try i prefer to have the words written before i go in

the booth yep and a lot of my songs are one take like first time i laid it down because it was so it was practiced before i got in there yeah how long so it doesn't take you that long to record a song depends if it's going most good songs don't take long because you're not getting in the way of there's no self-doubt flooding it like it's just flowing and whatever's sending it down to you you're vomiting it out instead of like oh i shouldn't say that oh they're not gonna like that oh they're gonna like this that's when you get stuck and you only have three lines and it's been two hours. Yeah. But when it's gone, it's just, you can't stop it. What is it like when you go into the studio?

I feel like so many people have a certain vibe they need. Do you have a lot of people in the studio? Do you have no one? Do you set a vibe? Do you light candles? Do you need certain snacks? I used to want to be alone. I didn't want people in there.

I thought, I don't want to be judged yeah i want to be able to be myself and i actually realized what brings me out is an audience someone to impress whether that's the producers in the room maybe i invite a girl through and you just activate your swag a little bit because you want to walk out of the booth and have those two people those four people be like yo you fucking yeah because they're a crowd of 10,000 people in that moment. So if you have someone to impress, it goes a really long way. I'm always impressed by people that can like, I can write really intimate, introspective stuff alone because I'm alone.

But to make bangers like where I'm popping shit and it's compelling and has conviction, I need an audience. I could see that. Like you almost start to flex a little bit more and like you'll go for stuff more you posture and you're like you you're trying to you know you're trying to impress the person in the room and oftentimes they made the beat and so it's this exchange they play you to beat and they're like you gotta fuck this up and you're like i'm about to fuck this up for you you go in there you lay something you come out y'all both listen to it

and you stop and it's like it's euphoric all you want in that because there's no one else there all you want in that moment is the people you're with to be like you killed that that's fire you might write based on who's there because you know they'll like if i do this i'm so happy for you i feel like why i love doing this is because like as much as we joke like getting to know you being younger running through the streets like giving your mixtapes out handing people cds like it's cool to see someone that always knew what they wanted to do and then doing it even if you don't have like the biggest stage and like still running with it and then to get to where you are now and seeing your success like thank you congratulations it's really cool you strike me as somebody that's very driven and knows what they want to so i appreciate that thank you thank you um what should fans

expect to see from you next i'm active i'm i'm i'm feeling good i can't lie i'm ready to keep coming i ain't going on hiatus i'll say that yeah uh-huh more coming oh yeah i think we want that i'm hungry i know we want that i'm hungry i'm very i'm very hungry i can tell i have a chip on my shoulder and you should keep it that way i will for as long as i can it's gonna be sitting there i'm really excited to see what comes next for your career this new song is amazing obviously we all want another album tours all the good things but for now we will take the song and i love it thank you i really do thank you it's such a vibe i've been listening to it like an annoying amount that's wonderful yeah yeah that's what i need jack thank you so much it's been a pleasure i'm not just saying it's fun

right it's been fun thank you thank you for taking it easy on me, Loki. You didn't really give me a choice, but I didn't want to disrespect you and push you too much. That's nice of you. Thank you. Thank you for coming on Call Her Daddy. Thanks for having me. We did it.

We did it. That wasn't that bad, right? That was wonderful. That was fun. That's a hit. That's a hit. That's a hit. That's a hit. That's a hit.