Call Her Daddy - JOJO SIWA: The Woman Behind The Bow

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

Join Alex in the studio for an exclusive sit-down interview with JoJo Siwa. Alex asks the tough questions we’ve all been wondering and JoJo finally gets real about the truth behind her persona. She opens up about why she wore the bows for so long, how she’s well aware aspects of her image are cringe, and whether or not she thinks her maturity has been stunted. JoJo also discusses her new look, navigating an overwhelming amount of Internet hate, and how it feels to be compared to Miley Cyrus in her Bangerz era. Then, the two talk about dating and JoJo spills all the tea about her messy break-ups and what’s going on in her current love life. Finally, JoJo opens up about being a child star on Dance Moms and Nickelodeon and how the pressure of supporting her family financially shaped her as a kid.

what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy jojo siwa welcome to call her daddy i have never been more honored in my life what is happening with your house honestly what's happening on my head what's happening in my head we never know if you guys are listening to this episode and you can't see it Jojo is wearing sign off and go find the visual sign off and go find the visual can you explain how you decided today to put this on your head to come here honestly I did not pick it it picked me I have this so so my house is essentially structured right where I have my room and then I have my closet.

And then downstairs is kind of like another version of a closet. But we have our, like, you know how houses come with like a bar in them? Yes. So our bar has turned into my mom's workstation slash craft room. My mom does all my wardrobe. Oh. And yeah, she makes everything. She rhinestones everything.

She does, she's crazy. She's amazing. my mom does all my wardrobe oh and yeah she makes everything she rhinestones everything she does she's she's crazy she's amazing um but this was hanging out like on the rack downstairs and I was like what am I gonna wear to call her daddy like you get one time to go and call her daddy like gotta do my big one it's like again like just rhinestones just like covering your entire face off of a black hat. Plain black hat. I'm glad you showed up today and gave us something to talk about already. We haven't even fucking started. What did you do today i was told you had a big day what was happening did have a big day so we moved today what just me now no yeah oh my god i'm waiting for this one shut the

fuck up okay so i was gonna ask you about that because you've lived with your parents your whole life yes and when you moved to los angeles you moved into this house that you were living with your parents in yes and i think everyone's been kind of like are you eventually what is she gonna do yeah yeah yeah our our move was definitely very unconditional um unconventional there's the right word there she is also unconditional but um unconventional is the right word because I was on Dance Moms. And so it was just me and my mom, my dad, and then my older brother. They stayed in Omaha, Nebraska, which is where I'm from. And then when I was 15 is when my dad and brother actually made the move to L.A. So it was just my mom and I out here from the time I was 9 to 15.

And then when my dad and brother came out, we had a house. And then we needed a bigger house because all of us in that house was not had a house and then we needed a bigger house because all of us in that house was not the vibe and so we got a bigger house and this house we kind of established like this was somebody's forever home we didn't know who's forever home but somebody's and then yeah over the last few years we have really customized the house to me um and there's a dance studio in it for me there's the gym for. There's a room to be a recording studio for me. So there's a lot of my necessities essentially that I would want in my house.

And yeah, so my brother moved out a little less than a year ago. And I, yeah, today. Literally an hour ago. So you're keeping the house? So I'm keeping the house, yeah. We say like, it's kind of been like our like funny joke like our ongoing joke like my parents oh they're finally old enough to move out on their own like it's been like oh my god but because my family like I didn't live

with my dad for six years and my brother didn't live with my mom for six years and so like when we kind of all joined together it was like we were getting those years back okay and then COVID hit and so it was just kind of like it worked out yeah it's just it's just the vibe is your it was like we were getting those years back okay and then covid hit and so it was just kind of like it worked out yeah it's just it's just the vibe is your it feels like your mom and you are very close like are you sad to see her go honestly all day today i was stoked i so i just lived in atlanta for like six weeks by myself so fun eight weeks by myself so fun loved it filmed a tv show while i was there great great time But living alone for your first time and then going back to living with your parents is dramatic. It's dramatic.

And so I told my mom and dad before I came home, I was like, hey, the day of me moving or you moving is kind of coming sooner than we all thought. And so then, yeah, once I came home, I told them, I was like, by April 1st, someone's got to give. And safety-wise, financially-wise, that was a big thing. To do it financially the smartest way made the most sense for them.

Well, congratulations. Thank you. I was going to say, and we'll get to dating in a little bit, because I was going to say, how the actual fuck are you dating with your parents in your house, JoJo? I'm like, it's like family sleepover. It's like, what the actual? And you've had partners live with you before, right? Fully. What? Yeah. So you're like making your coffee with like your partner and then your parents in the morning. You know, I look back at my past and I look at 16 year olds now. And as a 20 year old, I look at a 16 year

old. I'm like, Oh my God, you are the age that my girlfriend was when she moved into my house. And I was only six months older. Like we were, I'm nine months older than her at the time. I don't know how it happened. I really don't. Like clearly you all lesbians are a very real thing. Like was one without even knowing what one was. But it's just like COVID.

It was summer. Like it just like kind of all happened and then it was like she came to California and then I was like don't leave and she's like okay two weeks turned into four weeks turned into eight weeks turned into nine months and then we were a married couple at 17 and 16 we had a breakup I love that for you hold on I don't know so hard and so great at the same time I always want to say like I think everyone's probably thinking obviously like when you are a child star and you have all this financial success like are you still like asking your parents if your girlfriend can come over and live with you or

are you just doing it and telling your parents that's actually so interesting because there was at a point in time like a switch that did kind of happen my parents are the best like they are so chill they are so great looking back all of us are like that should have never happened and my mom says all the time she's like I should have never allowed my 16 year old partner to live with us like that was not healthy for you much less her and her family like it just like someone should put their foot down but it was like no one at the time felt it was right to um honestly ever since I turned like 14 or 15 I think is when it kind of started my mom would you know to a normal 14 or 15 year old be like well take your phone away right and instead of me being no I'd be like please then I get a day off work you know what I mean and so

like there was never really I never did anything wrong and I've done anything bad um kind of but I I was always at the end of the day a good yeah good kid and I feel like I was recently talking to Tish Cyrus yeah and she was saying how like there's also just like the reality she's like I'm gonna call it what it is like I did treat Miley a little differently because it's like what then she's gonna move out and leave us so like she had slightly different rules morals and rules yeah while raising them that's what my mom always said my mom actually said something today to me that was really sweet they've had this fear they had this fear because so when you are a kid you 15% of every penny you make goes into a Coogan account, right? And so my parents thought when I turned 18, I was going to get my Coogan account money,

take all of my money, and have it all be mine and be like, good luck, everybody. I'm an adult now. And I told them all the time, I was like, I can give you so much reassurance, but I will never do that. But it just is going to take you realizing over time that I'm never going to do that and then finally today that's always been a fear of theirs like always has been just because like the opportunity of me leaving them high and dry was right there like people have done it before child stars have done it before but I would never do that to my family um but today my mom was like I just want to say like thank you for never

basically kicking us to the curb like thank you for want to say like, thank you for never basically kicking us to the curb. Like, thank you for buying us this new house. Thank you for letting us remodel it. Thank you for keeping us in your bubble. Like, thank you. And I was like, one, you're welcome. Let me be a nice person. Let me say you're welcome.

But I fucking told you I wouldn't. Like, I told you. Finally, two years later, you believe me? Okay, but JoJo,jo facts you're like I kept my word bitch like please like I swear but okay to be real for a second like that's also a lot of fucking pressure as a kid terrifying I didn't really realize it I still don't have a very good concept of like all of that I guess like the the pressure that is but I look back and I oh my god what was I just doing I was just oh deleting all my Instagram oh so so so before I had like 6,000

Instagram posts and you know I'm entering this new adult naughty girl phase and living my life doing my doing my biggest one and I didn't want my Instagram to be flooded with me back in the day kid in a candy store vibe you know what I mean but I do have some really incredible things I did in my childhood that I'm super proud of so long story short I took it from 6,000 posts to like 170 like really cut back how long did that take you not long there's a hack for it you can select all at the same time I was gonna say my god like couple tunnel up in here i'm like yeah no like the swipe it was at first it was like really dramatic then it was 100 out of time and it went took me like one three hour treadmill walk okay yeah we like got on the treadmill

we're like we're not getting off till it's done so finish um that's what she said anyways uh i'm sorry you can understand it's hard for us yeah so jojo like we're we're getting accustomed to you becoming like this adult in our eyes you know we've always seen you as a kid which i'm sure is fucking annoying to you yeah but it's funny to hear you talk like that no it's it's it's not i i think i i will always have, like, the respect for my childhood. Like, people are always like, fuck the bow. And I'm like, no. The bow was a magical thing. Like, no, we are never going to be ashamed of it. Like, still to this day, like, the back of my shirt says the highlight lyric of my song, Karma's a Bitch.

And, like, I'll meet a little kid and I will make sure they do not see the back of my shirt. And I'll cross my arms so they can't even see like the like creepy little front of the shirt. You know what I mean? Like I do understand that my life will live on. And my childhood stuff will live on. And I was never, I'm never ashamed of anything besides like three things that I did as a kid. Oh my God, name them. The one thing that I wish I could go back and change

is I wish I would have fought harder for this. I have a song called Every Girl's a Supergirl. And I love it. I think it's an adorable song, but I hate that it discludes boys. I hate that a six-year-old little boy is going to listen to that song and every girl's a supergirl.

And my whole team was like, but at Nickelodeon they were like but it's okay to do a song about girl power like the boys can listen to the other songs I was like hear me out everybody everyone's a super one it's stupid it doesn't make sense let's do it I was 14 at the time and everyone was like no we're doing girl power and I was like okay got it um one that's one oh man I would definitely do some things different at the G Flip concert for sure. That wasn't even a childhood moment. But I would just definitely.

Explain what you did to the people that haven't seen it. Fuck the air, essentially. I don't know what I did. Long story short, you're never seeing the full video. So it makes me very, very angry. I am. This wasn't a long time ago. this was less than six months ago but we were doing sound check and lauren sanderson and i were like how funny if we like dance like funny like magic mike style behind g while they're performing and we're like okay and

so we weren't being serious we weren't trying to be hot or sexy we were trying to be funny so if you see the full like the full version of the video you see us laughing in the middle of it at each other like you see us like making eye contact like doing the same thing no we only zoom in on me and we put it in fast motion and I I would make fun of me too right you're like humping the- Air. Stage. The stick. There's a lot of thrusting is going on.

There's something happening. Look, it got people talking. Last thing, also was not long ago, was my cover of Traitor that I decided I felt the need to post on Snapchat. Just let it, I- Wait, what was that? I didn't see that. So, the thing about me is I will rarely, pretty much never, I'm going to say never, claim to be a singer.

I will claim to be an artist or a performer. But I know my vocal abilities and I also know my vocal abilities, what they are not. You know what I mean? And I'm very comfortable when it's my own stuff but other people's music I don't do well singing the only thing like karaoke I won't do it unless they're Slim Shady they have Slim Shady I will sing the whole song but aside from that like I won't touch other people's music I just I'm scared of it like I just it always comes to bite me in the ass anyways but I love performing it's very contradicting because it's my favorite thing to do,

but the thing I'm most scared of. So I was singing Traitor by Olivia Rodrigo, and she has a really high note in there, and I was so far from hitting it, like so far. Not even close, not even close. But then one day I kind of got close, kind of got it. And so you see my Snapchat story. I post 300 things a day at this time on Snapchat.

This is number 56, 7, and 8 in the middle of the stories. And it's me singing Traitor. And the snaps of Florida are like, I've been doing this for a long time. And, like, finally I'm, like, getting close. Watch. It's not good yet, but watch. And so then people took just that clip, though, of me singing it and, like, not doing it. And my face turning bright red because I'm, like, screaming hit it and then they ran with just that and like again I would hate it too like I do like

I think it's hysterical but when those moments happen Jojo are you like fuck my life I need to hide in a hole or are you like oh this is so stupid because you've had so many of these moments that you don't even feel it I it's I call it new hate anytime like new hate rolls around I'm like ow right but then a day goes by people are still hating on the same thing than they then they get over it um okay we have to quickly circle back because now I do want to like yeah we're gonna go through everything this is fascinating I knew our conversation would be like zigzagging yeah finishing that conversation though I did find fascinating about the financial situation of like oh yeah the pressure with your parents and everything and then being like are you gonna help us out are you not yeah it was

so my mom and I have always said like we are 50 50 and that like meaning that financially like it to a sense I guess because like that is what But more so, like, the work that goes in and out of the, like... Who's calling you? Tell me now. Not dramatic. The girl in my music video, who I love so much. Oh, my God. Yeah, she's an awesome human being. Amazing.

But she can wait. She can wait. We love you, Lex. Love you. Anyways, so, yeah, my... We've been 50-50. She was really good about doing the work that I didn't want to do,

but she could do, like, behind the scenes, managing stuff, dealing with people, and then I was really good about doing the work that I didn't want to do but she could do like behind the scenes managing stuff dealing with people and then I was always good at doing the stuff that I could do and you know what I mean and we were a really good team and she gave up everything for me I I mean I gave up my life essentially for the world but like worth it you know what I mean and then when my dad moved out he kind of just like fell into that same pattern too he used to be a chiropractor. He was a super successful chiropractor. But they never, like he never, him and my brother in Nebraska didn't really depend on me at all. I didn't really realize until I was maybe 17 or 18 like, oh, oh, I pay for everything for everyone.

But then I was like, wait, I get to take care of my family. I get to take care of the people that I love. They gave up so much for me. And I, like my mom would always say, like, you would do anything for a stranger off the street, right? And I, of course. Like, if anybody needed anything, then I could help. I wouldn't. She's like, so think of your family like that.

Think of your family like that think of your brother like that and I think where I lucked out truly no one took advantage of me everyone had a chance to my mom my dad my brother all three of them had a chance to take advantage of me they all had access to everything they all had a chance to take it and run essentially no one did yeah because it's fascinating like hearing you even say that it's yeah I think people are just so fascinated by it because it's not conventional of like your parents like waiting to be like is she gonna take the money around like what are we gonna do where the natural dynamic of a child being like you have to help me survive mom and dad yeah until I'm a certain age that I can get a job yeah you having all this financial pressure it does it ever make you be like oh I can't just go to my parents and be like a kid and not have

the weight of the world on my shoulders it I definitely have just had a different life I think where I'm lucky is I don't know any different like I talked to a lot of my friends Tyler Cameron is a great example he didn't gain fame until he was about my age now you know what i mean and and but he i mean if you ask him he was a famous person in high school and every girl wanted to be on me in high school i was famous if you ask him that's how that's that's the story of course that's his version like also i believe it like of course it's i wouldn't put it past any girl any straight girl anyways um but I think because since I was nine it's been this and so I don't really know any different but there definitely have been

points in my time in my life points of time in my life where I go and I've said this to my parents and more so my mom than my dad but I've been like i need i call it this is so you know i hate these words but like mommy mom and i've told like we've had to find the dynamic it's shockingly it's gotten harder as i've gotten older but i i've like i want i want you to be more my mom and i want to be able to talk to you more about mom things than work things and then you know nick vile yep one day i was with nick and i was ranting about things and i was like all my mom wants to do is talk about work and i just want her to be my mommy mom and like he was like jojo you need to slow down for a second you're rambling and i was like tell me tell me what to do and he was like i'm never gonna tell you what to do but i

am gonna tell you what's going on and he gave me the best advice i've ever received in this situation he um he told me he said that essentially I was the problem I I'm the one changing she is doing what she's done her whole life that's how we've always communicated that's how we've always bonded that's how we've always worked like it just works it is what it is it's not normal but it's our normal essentially and I'm the one that's growing up doing more on my own handling more on my own and not needing her to fulfill that role as much you know what I mean so he was able to put that into really good perspective and then since since I took his advice and applied it in the right ways

it has been perfect and that was probably three months ago I totally get that though and oddly it's relatable in a different aspect I think think, for people that maybe grew up with a more like traditional upbringing. Yeah. Where you- What do you mean? Mine wasn't traditional? Just like a little fucking different.

Just a little, Jojo. A little peculiar? But it is like you're basically reestablishing boundaries with someone that you've had a relationship with that is so- You both knew exactly how to act from a certain age to a certain age. Now you're transforming into this different part of your life and you sometimes want to be like i just want my mom like fuck business for a minute and also you're more established where it's like you can do more mom daughter things that

don't in the moment like you guys were fucking grinding to get to the spot like and it was both of us grinding like now i literally told her i was like want you to wake up, take a dog for a walk, make me my costume. Relax. Like, have a Diet Coke, watch a movie, and, like, go to sleep. Right. Whereas back in the day, it was like, A, her herself was on Dance Moms with me. Like, she was on camera every day. But then what you didn't see is, like, she had to be in every meeting with me.

She had to be everywhere with me. She had to take me everywhere. She had to do everything. She had to manage everything. Like there was, she was doing so much back in the day. Was there ever a point where you considered her just being your mom and you guys finding you a different manager? No, no.

I did have a manager for a very long time. But she, no one, no no one no one is her she we always like I I always am like I literally like if something happens to you like goodbye Jojo Siwa I'm gonna go become an indoor skydiving instructor that's like my favorite thing in the world really yeah indoor skydiving I love it I love it so much it's been my love a thrill yeah it's been my sport since I was 14 like I yeah it's not a very people don't know it about me um how often are you skydiving indoor skydiving indoor skydiving um but like I mean if I'm in like a like chunky phase like three or four times a week is it a good workout yes super good workout it's a full sport they do competitions when I was little they wanted me to do competitions and I fly wanted to sponsor

me but I I wouldn't because I was like I'm too competitive and like this is my fun leisure right but um now my brother's an instructor he loves it I got him to into it and he loves it um so that's like that is fascinating okay before we go back to like a little bit more of your childhood we do just have to acknowledge the other moment you just recently went viral well you've been viral a lot lately oh shit which one well we're not going to talk about your outfit changes yet we're going to talk about your kid names um freddie eddie and teddy my babies okay okay okay what the fuck like i'm sorry but i have to just what how did you come up with these names? Please, I love it. And what?

And why? Like, and why? And you got them tattooed on yourself. So they were all, you can kind of, some are still lingering around. They were temporary. They were like two week temporaries. Okay.

I only, I have three real ones. I have two on my hands and one behind my ear. Okay. So Freddie, I love Freddie Mercury. Okay. Freddie Mercury's like literally changed my life um from the dead i love that dude and uh so i wanted to name a girl freddie for the longest time for last eight years and then i was like well i i really want twin boys i was like so

my girl's freddie and then i got two twin boys and I wish I could remember the exact moment that it hit but I was like oh man one day Freddy Eddie and Teddy like it just like came and we were all like huh like what just came out of your mouth then I was like oh my god stop it hear me out girls named Freddy twin boys Eddie Teddy that's hysterical it's hysterical pause i think i would have fucking killed my parents if they had me my sister my brother with rhyming names i feel like i would got the fucking shit bullied out of me like is it a joke in your mind are you dead ass serious i can't predict the future i can't i really can't I can for your children. Okay. Like, are you worried?

If that is what my children get bullied for, you're okay with it. Down, down, down. If that, if their name is the biggest of our problems, like you're good.

Let it rip. Like, okay. Good. Good perspective. Unfortunately, the world is a cruel fucking place right now yeah my kids i don't want them to go to public school i don't want them to go to private school

i want them to be homeschooled i want them to be in sports i want them to do whatever they want to do but i i've had a super strong maternal instinct for a very long time okay um i will say freddie eddie and teddy like that started as a joke. Okay. It did. This is good to clarify. But. But now. For the last, like, six months, it really hasn't been a joke.

Like, it really. Joke, joke. I don't, like, everyone knows it, too. Literally today, with the move, I was like, I wasn't sad. But then I realized one day when Freddy, Eddie, and Teddy move out, how I'm going to feel. All my friends know about Freddy, Eddie, and Teddy teddy i have custody now of all three of my dogs to myself they're gonna get separated in a bit my mom and dad are gonna take one my brother's gonna

take another and then i'll have one but now all my friends like there you go you got freddie eddie and teddy like you're stuck with your three now like i can't fucking wait i can't wait to see if you follow through with this shit i guess we'll'll have to see. Here's my thing. Their middle names will not rhyme. Okay. So they could go by their middle names. We got Freddie J. Okay. Eddie Anthony.

And Teddy Ty. Teddy Tyler. I love that you have this all planned out. Like, so planned. And are you going to give your children your last name? I would like to. I'm more so craving kids than a partner okay um I've had I've had I've had a great partner I have but I have I have been really really done bad in the

love department really bad and I'm very scared of it now and I realize that and actually I talked to my good partner who is my ex but is my good friend um I talked to her about it all the time of like I just like I I don't I can't like I can't I can't find it again um and I can get more open about that too if you if you want but I yeah I I definitely want kids if a partner rolls around down yeah but if not yeah kiddos can can take the last name they can we're chilling okay there's so much to discuss first to people that like i don't know who doesn't know you but just god forbid there are people that are like who the fuck is joe just see while like let's just quickly go back to the beginning you did get your start on a reality tv show dance moms which i feel like everyone has fucking seen a clip or seen episodes somehow and you know what

my biggest pet peeve is what when someone is like i've never heard yeah shut up like it's not even my show like i was on it for two seasons everyone's heard of it every single person something big lady yelling at children on tv like you have seen it big lady yelling at children on TV. Like you have seen it. Big lady yelling at children on TV. That's the log line. That's literally the log line. Like that's literally the whole pitch of the show. Like welcome to Dance Moms. Living on the dance floor. Yeah. So you start this when you're nine. Yeah. Did you always want to be famous? Yeah. So from the time I was really little, I was two, I said I either want to be Hannah Montana or a surgeon. Oh. And that still to the day is very true.

Now I would add an indoor skydiving instructor into the mix. Yeah, classic. But Hannah Montana and surgeon were like my back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And then I grew up in the competitive dance world. I was a very good competitive dancer. My mom owned a dance studio. We drove to Better Dance Studios.

That way I would dance at her studio and at Better Dance Studios. i we were we were crazy she was crazy and you grew up in nebraska got it yeah um and so then when i was nine there was a show called abby's ultimate dance competition which was a little bit of like a spinoff of dance moms it was still abby lee and it was her ultimate competition you started with 12. It got eliminated down to one winner. The winner got a hundred grand scholarship to the best ballet school, whole shebang, but it's by the same producers and same network as dance moms. Okay.

So I did that show and I was a very outspoken, spunky, unafraid, sassy, and I mean, talented nine year old. And so then that show aired, I turned 10. And then when I was 11 those

producers were like hey will you come to Dance Moms for a week obviously every dancer's dream is to be a part of Dance Moms so then I went to Dance Moms I was only supposed to be there for a week and then they really liked us they liked me they liked my mom and they were like all right can you guys stay for another week of course and then it was like that can you stay for another week can you stay for another week for probably the first year and then they were like okay you're you're gonna be here for all of next season um to permitting of course like you can leave at any time if you want to leave um but yeah then I was on dance moms till I was 13. Do you remember the conversation in your house of like, are we doing this? So AUDC, there wasn't a conversation.

My mom knew that I wanted it. And she just did it. She signed me up. She sent the stuff in. Like, hope for the best. You're not going to get it. You know what I mean? But like, hope for the best.

And we got it. So that was like, hey, JoJo, I signed you up to do Abby's Ultimate Season 2. Like, and you got it. And so that was kind of that. But then Dance Moms, I was at a convention, at a dance convention. And at this point, AUDC had aired. People had been mean. I had my first, like, haters experience publicly. And it's my first dance convention, like, out the gate again.

And it's hard. It's different. People are now in my personal space bubble. People are staring. And I just, like It's different. People are now in my personal space bubble. People are staring. And I just like, I wasn't having a good day. And then my mom came up to me. She leaves the room. And I am immediately like, where is she going?

Like now I'm just not focused in class. And she comes back in the room and she was like, nothing matters. This was on Saturday. She was like, nothing matters. We leave for dance clubs on Monday. And I was like, what? Like picture 11 year old me

like I should brick literally and yeah I I left on Monday it's so crazy to always think I think for most people that didn't have that type of like life-changing moment at such a young age where your life will never be the same from there now knowing obviously you didn't know then but now we all look back and we're like that was such a big turning point for you yeah so you get on dance moms yes and abby lee is like notorious for being so fucking mean to all the dancers and her students and just like kind of fucking crazy yeah aren't we all describe your relationship to this woman so the thing for me is i went into the show knowing what i was getting myself into saw what she was like and a lot of people would come at me and be like you knew what you were getting into that's why it wasn't that hard for you

but everyone else that was on the show danced at her studio for years before they grew up dancing there and so everyone knew what she was like you stayed you could leave the dance studio like you might have to wait till the end of the year but like you didn't have to keep coming back you know what I mean um but for me like I saw what she was like on tv and I always I somehow as a kid could always see the bigger picture I my mom will tell me stories about how I was a kid and I I would be at the bottom of the pyramid and my mom would be pissed she'd be so mad and we'd fight all day on set about it and then we'd get in the car

and she'd be like actually mad about it and I would be like hey mom it's okay she was like you don't care that you're at the bottom like that's bullshit and I was like no mom because the person at the top of the pyramid gets congratulations you're at the top the person at the bottom though gets the whole storyline of the TV show and she was like huh how the fuck do you know that you're literally 11 like what

and i could always just like see that i could see that like because growing up i was in the front of every dance i was the star of the dances and then i'd go to dance halls i'm in the back left corner but it it didn't matter and I always knew that my mom would get so frustrated I want you to have a solo why are you in the back of the group dance I'd be like it literally doesn't matter like we're we are making a tv show and so I always I always kind of realized that my relationship with Abby now now is amazing I the thing is is I was there to make a tv show. She was there to make a TV show. And that is how dance teachers are. If you are, and I talked to all of my friends who are professional

dancers now, say if you are a good dancer, you are not a healthy dancer. You did not have a healthy relationship with your dance teacher. You did not have a healthy relationship with dance. You've gone through some horrible phases with your body you you are not a healthy or you were in bad unhealthy phases and dance moms really just put that on display but I will say I have had teachers worse than Abby like she's not the worst that I've had yeah toughness wise mean wise and I liked it like I wanted to be good and she was she was right she wasn't gonna yell at me if I was like if I did something like she's not gonna make something up you know what I mean and so I don't know I always

just like I craved it I craved it I craved her approval maybe I'm a little messed up but like no but it's actually interesting hearing you talk about this because I played like very competitive soccer my whole life yeah I went on to play d1 and like I am as you're talking about this I'm like it's fascinating because I had some of the most inappropriate coaches from the time I was eight I remember nine ten being like oh my god I'm having these like really weird conversations with these men by myself and my mom would have to get involved and i look back and i'm like the only reason it wasn't as a big of a problem is because it wasn't on tv yep like if they had a fucking camera at our practices we had parents fucking hitting each other we had people getting in physical fights this shit was fucking crazy if you are the best of the best, it's crazy. Yeah. You're not normal.

There's, like, there's a fine line between, like, okay, this is actually, like, horrific, like, some of the gymnastics Olympics stuff. Like, that is horrific. Horrific. But, like, dance moms, like, that wasn't, like, there wasn't anything besides like tough love almost you know what I mean like she wanted us to be the best right I get what you're saying now that you put it in perspective yeah it's like if you've ever done something competitively you kind of get it like as I'm staring at you I'm like oh I wasn't a dancer so I can't get it and then I'm like wait

what am I talking about like I remember being at TGI Fridays, and a dad was yelling at another dad that my best friend was getting extra training. And they got in a fight, and then he punched him in the face because he's like, your daughter's getting fucking extra training. It's like, what just happened? Why does anybody care that much?

And it wasn't even that crazy that they got into an altercation. We all went to practice the next day. And then picture your practices, how tough your practices were, how hard your coaches were on you. If you didn't do do good or you didn't do to the best that you could do you're like I only know like football has crazy practices like your coach makes you run like you do cardio like you get punished you know what I mean like that is part of being like an athlete

and like you said like d1 like you're gonna be the best you're gonna be the best right and so to everyone that's that's okay yeah but because dance moms was just so put on display right and like my thing is love it or hate it you're taught you're you're talking about it you're into it you're watching it you're giving it the view you're giving it the advertising dollar yeah first we have to go back to the bows yeah so as I look back at pictures of you and like you said you just went and archived like thousands thousands you were known for neon colors sparkles high pony and yes the giant bow big old jojo bow and like was that that actually naturally just your style? It was. It was.

My, I liked it. That's how I felt comfortable. That's how I felt confident. That's how I felt the most me. Honestly, like 2020 is kind of when it started changing. And that's kind of when I wanted to be like, I'm going to wear Adidas pants and black hoodies and be cool and high middle ponytail.

Like 16 year old me being a baddie. She had a first boyfriend. Like she was feeling it um but it was me and I like I actually I just found my laptop from 2014 right and I'm a I'm little I was probably I mean I would have been like 12 or 13 and it's me and I'm sending a video to because for a point in time I did have have an editor. And this was for about six months, but the rest of my seven years on YouTube, I did everything.

But I found this video where I was like, hey, I'm sending you a bunch of footage right now and if I accidentally send you this, it's, I didn't mean to, it's just me taking thumbnails and I'm just taking them because I'm in a really good mood right now and like I look ready

and so I'm just going to take a bunch of happy thumbnails. And then it's a three minute clip of me just like making happy faces, like posing for a thumbnail as a youtuber like I I was always that bubble I was always that happy the only thing that people didn't see is when the camera went off I went to work and I edited I filmed I wrote down ideas for the next day I figured out, there was a point in time where I was uploading 10 times a week on YouTube,

seven on a vlog channel, three on a main channel. Brutal. Plus recording music, doing performances, doing photo shoots, doing TV shows, like so much.

And so the only thing that people never saw of me was that, was me editing the video myself. Like I would play with the slime for the video right but then like I didn't stop the camera and like keep playing with the slime I was like throw this shit away let me edit but weren't you fucking exhausted I don't know how I did it I I really don't like I look back at me and I like I found like what I used to make these like day sheets right because for my vlog channel 10 times a week on youtube was a lot

that's insane it's insane like i don't think people understand how like to come up with an original idea and upload it's fucking insane and this was in the time when jake and logan were kings of youtube and so you had to fight for a view like you had to like make every video pop in. And so I would take a day though and I would film three weeks worth of daily vlogs in one day. And so like I look back at that schedule and I'm just like, how? How are you even being a real human? How?

Your whole life is just to get content. But it was like, it was who I was. It was what I loved. Most kids, you know, went to school, went to soccer after or baseball after or dance after but once I hit 13 it was wake up film edit upload sing dance record post sleep I think that yeah I think that when I think about like public opinion I think for a really long time when you had the bow era, like it made sense until it didn't. And I think a lot of people were like, why is she as kind of now like this older teenager still wearing these outfits that are so childlike?

Because I think a lot of teenagers not in your position. Totally. Who had maybe a traditional upbringing like myself. Like I was trying to dress to look older as a teenager. I'm like, oh, I want to push my. You hit 13 and you're like, here we go. Here we go. Like I got to like get the trying to dress to look older as a teenager I'm like oh I want to push my teeth and you're like here we here we go like I gotta like get the boys to like me I'm gonna push my tits up I'm gonna like go to the parties and then you we have Jojo who is wearing a bow and looking more 18 exactly yep like did you ever struggle to feel your actual age? Did you ever struggle to feel your actual age? Not at all. Not at all. Because I was more my age than anybody

else was. If anything, I was older. Maybe physically I looked younger. Maybe if you're seeing me wearing a bow and a rhinestone costume with a unicorn on it, yes, I look 11. But the job that I'm doing while wearing this is what a 30 year old's doing you know what i mean and so i never i never cared that i was that age doing that thing and i mean i was 16 years old going on a world tour i was 16 i became the youngest person to ever perform sell sell out and headline the o2 arena in london like that is sick yeah you know what i mean to go on it was an 134 show arena tour sold out 16 that is what adult pop stars are doing like we would get like like the like top ticket sales of the month reports. And it was Pink, the Jonas Brothers, Jojo Siwa, Queen.

Like I was always in the top five. Always. And it – so I never – like and anyone that knew me, knew me. And whatever I looked like physically, that should never matter to anybody. Like I almost would explain it kind of like a toxic relationship. You know, when you're in a relationship as a teenager and you like have to like try to prove that you're in love,

but then you're a 50 year old married and you're like, fuck you, fuck you too. And like, you still sleep together at night. That's how I was as a kid, as a teenager. It was like,

I didn't need to prove my age, prove my knowledge to anyone. And then when I hit like 17, 18, people in the industry started to like try to make me feel like I had to like prove myself. You know what I mean? Improve my knowledge. And I'd be like, I'm literally same thing for the last six years. Like I know what I'm doing. I promise.

Right. No, I appreciate you explaining it because it does give more context. Like knowing how competitive you are as having been an athlete your whole life yeah I get it we're like oh jokes on all of you yeah I'm working my ass off I'm doing this thing I also get publicly how people were like looking at it this is a little arrested development where it's like grow up why the fuck are you wearing a bow on your head at 18 and dressing like a younger toddler did you have any people your age that would like make fun of you did it ever get to you i have

never had friends my age ever i i've always straight older my best friends have always been older than me they when i was 16 my best friend was 23 when i 16, my best friend was 23. When I was 17, my best friend was 31. Like my, my, my closest friends have always been older than me. Why do you think that is? Because even though I looked physically one way. Yeah. I was not that. I was 10 years older.

And if you ask anyone that's close to me, they know that. And that's why, that's why I think like the public opinion never – I never cared. I was like, okay. Like, you know, like it never fazed me because I was doing A, what I love to do. I was getting to perform. I was getting to be Hannah Montana. Like that's what I always wanted. And then I have such a

good bubble of people and even now like as I'm older now I'm 20 you would think I would still be like now my friends will be like maybe like 21 22 23 I have a best friend that's 23 but then my best best friends are 31, 34, 36. Right. Like it's all my friends. It's interesting because I'm just thinking of like the public because I appreciate you. And I don't want you to take this the wrong way. I'm trying to actually think of like the way that people would look at this.

And they'd be like, what you're saying, I think people think the opposite of you. 100%. I think people think you have almost been 100% I think people think 100% you have almost been like again please don't take that I'm just like you know what I mean I'm like yeah I think people would probably think you're like stunted in your growth because you're a child actor you act like a kid yep they don't see you behind the scenes like you're right of you being like and then I wrote an entire show and then I would edit it and then I would upload and then I would do it again and I was a business person and I'm sitting in meetings and I'm meeting with adults so it's like we're seeing the fun outgoing Jojo of like click

on my video and welcome to my YouTube channel right yeah and I do feel like a lot of people have come out like even Logan and um Jake have been like it's not that it's fake it's just it's not natural to have a camera in front of your face. So naturally I'm playing a character of myself. You're going to go up a bit. Right. This is helpful to hear from you about this. Yeah, it's funny.

I've actually really enjoyed talking to you about this because no one's gone deep into this like with me ever. So it's been fun for me to hear you ask a question almost with like one point in your head. And then I explain the answer. And then you're like, oh, like it's because that's how it's fascinating. The Internet is so confusing and I don't think there's a right answer of like there are so many people that upload every day and go to sleep at night being like, I am a complete

different person on the Internet than I am at home. There are then people that it's like somewhat them but there's you it's a different it's like it there's it's a version yes of you like there is there is a reason why influencers are influencers because they understand the game they understand the chess game you know what I mean and that's for me where I'm kind of a mix of an influencer and an artist I understand both of the games um I think that's why though whatever the internet used to think about me or it still does think about me doesn't affect me at all because I know well and they don't there's so much they don't right and it's like not to be addicted to people online but it's like you guys don't want to watch Jojo in a business meeting you're not

going to vlog yourself doing your business meeting that's not interesting I've literally talked to people I work with that I'm like stop filming yourself in your business meetings no no one cares no one cares no one cares and that's like with social media that's all the time what I'll say is like literally no one cares you just want to be entertained and even if you're being crazy as fucking moments and in your head you're like this is gonna sell this is gonna work that's a version of you there's also a version of you that probably sits at home alone and is silent a lot because performers need silence you can't film that version of yourself jojo that's not interesting that part exactly when people i just one of the girls who's in the top 10

of so you think you can dance i can i can talk about now because this is it's actually coming out tonight amazing yeah which i'm stoked about they're all gonna have their moment tonight um but i was talking to her and we become a bit of friends and i i was talking to her and i was like she was saying that she went home and all her friends were like so what's jojo like like is she annoying is she loud like what's she like and Dekayla was like I mean no like she actually is like quiet she has her shit together and she like talks when she's talked to and that's for me I am like put my head down and work get my shit done and entertain the world. I've always believed from the time that I was very, very young that I was put on this world to entertain.

And I love to do that. But then like the most introverted introvert, the quietest, the hardest working, like I will, I'll be the first at the studio and the last to leave. But I also will be the one that'll be like, guys,

be quiet. Like we're trying to focus. You know what I mean? Like I, I definitely gave the world a show. I didn't give them a character i didn't write anything it all came naturally to me but like same way i'm in here with my fucking rhinestone shoes my leather pants my cut shirt and my fringe on my head like if i if i was chilling at home i would never wear this but if i came here people would be like,

you're putting on a show. Where's JoJo Siwa? Like, I'm going to give you JoJo Siwa. Like, I know who that is. You know what I mean? Do you get exhausted from it at all? No, because it's natural. You know what I mean?

So my real name is Joelle. Okay. And this is a conversation that almost immediately when I have this conversation I have it most with lovers because it's it's most important to me that I explain it to them um and I won't get like too too deep into the Jojo Joelle difference conversation but there's Joelle and there's Jojo. They both are present at all times. Sometimes we look like one, but we are the other. And sometimes we look like the other and we are the one.

You know what I mean? So like right now it's like I look like Jojo, but I am Joelle. But then what gets really hard in the relationship world is when I look like Joelle, when I'm at home, when I'm in in sweats it's like they've partners in the past have forgotten that I am still this human and like almost will like shit on this human a bit if that makes sense and so it's like wait talk to me about that what do you mean shit on it this hurts like a bitch when partners say this is like I like the other version of you better like I like that only I get this version of you because that's not true everybody gets this version of me but it's like

I'll be performing or filming a video or something and it's like oh I can't wait for it to be like behind closed doors you again and I'm just like ow because behind closed doors me is the same thing it's like you're looking for some respect of like have an understanding like I don't have it at all as much as you do but like of course like I'm not completely the same sitting in the studio as when I go home to my fiance like I'm different of course we're all different at work absolutely like it's entertainment in Hollywood like every single person acts different at work. Absolutely. Like, fuck entertainment in Hollywood. Like, every single person acts different at work. Different at work. And so you're looking for your partner to, like, accept you.

And it'd be, the difference is, like, when I go home, I don't get to leave my job. I don't get to leave my work. I don't get to leave my career. It is my life. You know what I mean? It's like, my career is almost like a child. Like you don't just get to like see you tomorrow. Like it's always present.

You know what I mean? And you can probably relate to this too. Like you might be in bed and you get a call that you have to answer. Have to. It's midnight. Your guest for tomorrow canceled. Who do you want? Yep.

Like that I'm sure has happened to you before. Yes. Yep. And like I've had partners that are not understanding. Why do you have yep like that's I'm sure has happened to you before yes yep and like I've had partners that are not understanding why do you have to answer your phone right now like and I'm like oh because my work was here before you and it'll be here after you right right oh that's kind of interesting the okay let's get into relationships yeah okay okay okay so I know fuck okay so 2021 you come out yes and how would you describe the internet's reaction honestly

I thought great okay I was like oh my god I got 90,000 comments I've never had this I didn't expect anything like I I came out because one night it was like kind of expected right and then one night I was on FaceTime with my girlfriend I I was like, I want to post this picture. Like I put it on my close friends like three days before. And I was like, I think I want to post it public. And she's like, go for it. Like, I don't. Yeah, you should.

So I did. And I then the next day I woke up to 90,000 comments. And I was like, holy. What did I just do? So I read the comments. It was like cast of Grey's Anatomy, which like I love Grey's Anatomy. So I was like shitting bricks. Ellen, like Ellen, I'd never had any contact with before.

Like Ellen, like crazy, crazy people. Then I scrolled past about 200 and then all 89,800 remaining were awful, horrific. Never letting my kids watch you again. I'm throwing away all of our bows today another one down the drain like so foul and i've talked to chrishell actually about this i love chrishell and g philips so very much um chrishell was like she was saying like anything that i lost like i don't want you to like me and i said that same thing when i was 17 like if that I lost, like, I don't want you to like me. And I said that same thing when I was 17. Like if you didn't like me on January, January 8th, but you did on January 7th, that's your problem, not mine. And I think that me coming out at 17 was massive for kids. I do.

And I look as a 20 year old now, I look at 17 year olds and I'm like oh my god how did you even know like like it just and then like I've had friends now that will be this age 20 23 22 and they're scared to come out and I've quite literally I did this to my best friend I literally opened the closet door kicked him out of it on accident thought thought we were out but we weren't and so then like we really had to like really reel it back in and backtrack and then I got to kind of help him through his coming out journey and it was actually one of the most beautiful moments of my life but it's scary the world is still a scary mean unaccepting place it is terrifying because you would think like there's a facade on the internet that everyone acts like we're all so progressive and it's still so many

people are still so homophobic and it's so sad but like what makes me sad also for you though jojo is like now understanding you and like knowing like you are this person that has had people looking at you your whole life so you are used to it but in one of your most intimate moments that you're deciding to share with the world then you knew in the back of your head probably like i don't know how this is gonna go like you never know yeah just like hope for the best right like it's real it's true but then having people say like i won't let my children watch you and all that like before you had the crescells of the world and people immediately coming to like have you look at it in a different way like in that moment when you opened your phone you're

by yourself like what did you actually feel it was it was really really tough yeah it was I I didn't understand it I was just like why why take the time to comment that I the only thing that I ever responded was to one comment and they said it's simple I'm never letting my kids watch you again and I just responded okay with an exclamation point like get them 17 year old me like okay like live your life um but the like reaction from the world wasn't very hard at the time I was still signed to Nickelodeon and president of the company was like so what are we gonna tell the partners and I was like what to Nickelodeon. And president of the company was like, so what are we going to tell the partners? And I was like, what do you mean?

What do you mean, what are we going to tell the partners? And they were like, well, what are we going to tell, like, all the retailers? Like, you need to have a call with all of them and reassure them that, like, you're not going crazy. And I was like, guys, I came out. Like, I didn't – I'm going to tell them that I'm happy now. And then I took a call. So I had to take a call because my merchandise was everywhere. We were at Target, Walmart, Amazon, Claire, everywhere.

You name the store, it was there. So I had to take a call with all of them. And they were all, we're so excited. We're so proud of you. Like, we're already thinking about Pride this year. Like, what are we going to do with you? Like, this is awesome. And I remember the company being like, oh.

I do think, and I don't even want to throw anyone under the bus i do think it's important though that you're saying that yeah publicly because it's like yeah it is important to i feel like a lot of people know they aren't up to speed and up to date with like no no we're not we don't stand for any homophobic slander at all anymore let everyone live their lives but when you're working with big corporations who maybe have a gay son or whatever it is like but they just know what sells in the market still it's like we have to have these conversations to be like the fact that you have to get on a phone call yep and it's amazing you were met with such like grace and people being so excited like the fact that that even had to happen is psychotic and of course now I'm a little more like my new video is like me and a few girls a little raunchy like it's my next one's a little bit more intense like it's like

of course now but I'm 20 now at the time I was 17 it wasn't like here I am doing my big one with the girl now like let me get my no it was like I'm happy look at me and my girl in Disney sharing a beignet like it was like it was innocent it was sweet and it was like they're like well how is this okay and I was like how is Prince Charming and Cinderella okay same way that's okay okay we're swerving again because I'm like wait we're gonna're going to come back to dating. We do need to talk about this new look because it is a 180 from your whole fucking life, essentially.

Did you keep the bows? Where are the bows? Are they in a drawer? They're all at my studio. So I have a studio in Burbank and we keep everything out there. I have all my archives. So people are saying online, she's trying to have her like Miley Cyrus bangers moment like

just stop like let it go like what do you think of this when I was eight is when Miley had her bangers moment and I was like all I want is to have that one day like I want that and honestly since I was like 15 like my whole like inner circle has been like talking about and like getting excited for it and then two years ago is when I started writing new music I got out of my Nickelodeon music contract I signed a deal with Columbia Records label has been amazing and I started doing music and honestly we started off like pretty pretty calm like nothing like nothing like what's out right now um and then I got pitched this song Karma and it's the first word is I was a bad girl and I was like oh fuck it's a good song I was like but I can't say that

I can't say I'm a bad girl I'm not I'm not I was 18 fresh off of my dream the tour and I was like I can't say I sang every girl's a super girl last week like I can't sing I was a bad girl this week it doesn't work so then we I was like but like I love the song so let's try it okay and I was like we can save it like let's just put my voice on and we can save it so we did the song and then I was like this feels wrong so then i did uh she was a bad girl singing about someone else put the blame on someone else then i did a you were a bad girl put the blame on another human then we heard all the versions and nothing hit quite like me being the bad guy so i was like okay we'll leave it at that we'll find it we'll find it in a few years from

now and so this point in time this is this is uh march 2022 so i'm thinking music's coming out in july like i gotta like bust a nut to get this music done right here we are we are now at the end of 2022 nothing's come out and i'm like i'm chilling and i come up with this music video idea for karma and i am obsessed with it there is no changing my mind there's also no changing my mind that now this song comes first. Because if I want my moment, this is my 180. This is my moment. Talk to me, though, about the hate.

Because it's a lot. If you go on TikTok, if you go, like, there are people being like, is JoJo Siwa okay? There's comments on the music like people are really being mean how do you feel about it like I said I will never ever claim to be a singer yeah but I will claim to be an artist okay I am giving the world art and they might not like it they might hate it but they're enjoying it. And it's become a bit of a guilty pleasure for everyone.

So when you're sitting with your team and you're sitting in bed and you're reading these comments, like, yeah, it doesn't affect you at all. It does. It does. Because with karma, karma, I'm so proud of. And I think the music video really does more justice than the song. And once they're together, it's, I mean, it is, it is a work of art. It is sickening. And it is the full 180 moment that I have always wanted. And the fact that people aren't comparing it to Miley's bangers moment, like goal achieved. It's like when people were trying to tell me that I was dressing like

G flip, I was like, thank hallelujah. I did it. Like that was the goal. Nailed it. You know what I mean? And I literally got off stage with G flip and I was like, thank, hallelujah, I did it. Like, that was the goal. Nailed it, you know what I mean? And I literally got on stage with G Flip and I was like, sound the alarms, we're buying the oversized pants, cut the arms off the muscle T, like, here the frick we go, everybody, like, full 180. And now, same thing here.

It's like, okay, we get to have this moment. Let's have this moment. Like, no child star has done this since her. And they have had beautiful transitions. Olivia Rodrigo has had one of the most incredible success stories as a musician, as a young musician. But there was no flip. There was no like child star flip like Miley had. And I knew I wanted that.

I wanted to give the world art. Why do you think people on the internet have such strong opinions about you? Because it's fun to. It is fun. It is fun for them my mom told me she said i love you more than anyone in the world i will not open your comments and comment she said so for somebody to open your comments and comment they're enjoying it it's fun for them they're i am also guilty of when everyone was saying Trisha Paytas was pregnant with the reincarnated queen I made a tiktok about it because it was hysterical and then like everyone I was the one

that went down in flames for it like everyone was doing it I was the one that went down in flames for it which fine like yes it probably was a joke that I shouldn't have made but like again everyone was doing it jumped on the bandwagon shouldn't have made. But like, again, everyone was doing it. Jumped on the bandwagon. Shouldn't have. But I've jumped on those bandwagons too before. And so what gave me a lot of reassurance was somebody made a video hating, making fun of the dance. And I duetted them poking at the dance. And they posted another video of them reacting to my duet. And I was like, oh oh a day ago you were

making fun of it now you are screaming around your room freaking out crying because I duetted it right it's like you're kind of just leaning in like if people are going to make fun of you like okay you're still talking about me I'm having fun I'm not taking myself that seriously I told you guys I don't I'm not considering myself a singer I'm a performer I'm an artist and it's making conversation art and people it is doing exactly what I wanted it to I wanted people's heads to turn I wanted people to go right what right I wanted people to go what is she saying honestly what I didn't expect is for people to know every lyric that's been released okay we're gonna come back to the music again pause back to dating I love it so you're growing up we're watching you even in the maturity of your lyrics are you currently dating anyone are you like in this moment yeah oh no single single

single talking to people uh my ex per usual um not like that though not like you don't have like a little roster on the side going on no I I did I fully did and about at the same time I I had like three or four girls that I was like wait I'm kind of into all of them like this is kind of fun like I've never had that right and then I had to have like the like more serious joelle versus jojo conversation and and I ran. I ran. I was like, oh, I can't do this. I can't do this. Why?

Let me make sure I'm talking right about this. My last relationship was very public by both of our choice. Our getting together was very public. Our official relationship was very public. Our breakup was very public. There has been a lot that went down that if this microphone wasn't on, I would tell you what she did, what she told me anonymously,

but I had to have my security team handle it, and I found out that it was her that I cannot give. I can't. It's like it built a trauma that I didn't even know I have until now. I'm like, Oh, that's why you can't talk to a girl is because of that. And it's hard. I mean, I, I'm very focused right now. I'm very into my art. I'm very into my career. And so I'm very lucky that I have that to preoccupy me, but I love, love love but I just I what's fucked is this is what I was getting at and then my ADHD fully clearly took us in a different direction wait but can I ask why why can't you

talk why can't you just say it I mean I I I could but it's like a whole ass legal thing behind closed doors and my thing is is I have fired at her a little bit on social media and she's fired at me a little bit on social media I've never started it but I I used to join in it you know what I mean and I would finish it like if you're gonna come at me and make me a bad guy I'm gonna say as much as I can and what uh what happened that I my security literally is like hey you can't talk about this because it is a legal thing um I that happened three months after we broke up and so it like I finally had like processed the breakup and I was the one that chose the breakup but it's still it's still not easy of course um but the fact that like I had processed and gotten through it and like we finally got through all the social media heat and like I at that point was like you know I'm just

gonna take the social media heat like I don't care about the narrative anymore like I don't care about the truth anymore like fuck it like I'm 19 like it really isn't that dramatic it's really not that dramatic and then I got a really really really fucked up had to have my security team handle message and that's when I was like there's I just realized there's so much that the world doesn't know including that and like still to this day I'll get these comments and I'm just like the world doesn't even know can I ask you without getting specific like what are the feelings when you found whatever this thing was out like what are the feelings that hit you at first I I had a weird gut instinct okay had a weird gut instinct I was like

I bet it's and then I so send it to my team and then he was like hey we need to call because it is somebody that was very very close to you that did this and I was like oh fuck me okay and then he was like hey we need to call because it is somebody that was very very close to you that did this and I was like oh fuck me okay and then I knew and at first I was like okay whatever but then I was like wait I was like that's actually not okay and then it didn't hit me again until I tried to date again and then I realized like I just I can't I like okay so remember back in the day when you were like back in the day back in this interview literally an hour an hour ago like literally an hour ago when you were like with your parents at the house how were you dating I wouldn't want to be around someone alone because of what homegirl what happened and what she said and what she like I trust so trust issues came out of this mad yeah yeah i'm so sorry i mean look i have great things to occupy me now i have a career

that i'm so happy about but it does it does like i'm a cuddler and so like i don't get that anymore and i'm like fuck i get the defense mechanisms of like i'm gonna work i'm gonna but if you're human for five seconds like that's what we crave and when someone betrays your trust in the most intimate setting of your life with someone that behind closed doors that you trusted and you're you're getting to be your act like your real real self your closest person right yeah it's brutal it's like how do you even recover i've um i've actually i've talked to my my good ex I'll talk about Kai she she we're we're on great terms we're good friends and I talked to her about it she knows what happened

and she's like you have to trust me when I say there are other people like me in the world that are good that will not do you dirty that will love you that will care about you and will not do this and don't give a shit about social media don't give a shit about social media views shit about social media hate she's like there will be I know I might not be right for you anymore but there will be somebody that is and like that's where I'm like at some point I did date an angel and unfortunately just time is time you know what I mean yeah and you have to believe that like yeah there are pieces of shit out there that like are gonna exploit and try to like and in your situation like you're not in a normal situation.

Like people can make money off of you and exploit you and use you. But when you do find your way back to trusting someone. Curious. Do you have a type i so have a type oh my god what is it i have a type uh tall okay older than me masculine i don't care if they're in the industry but i would prefer not the same field Tall. Okay. Older than me. Okay. Masculine. I don't care if they're in the industry, but I would prefer not the same field. Like, I would prefer not another artist. Like, I just think that'd be hard.

Yep. I like, like, like, like, long hair. Like, dark long hair. Pretty teeth. Eye colors, whatever it is. I like, like, I like fit girly. Like, someone who's, like like down to work out with me and literally a number one thing get ready put your seat belt on you're gonna lose your shit one of the first things that I talk about with somebody and I don't come out and be like so are you ready for kids I don't come out like that out of the gate but when I start to talk to somebody

I will initially be like i'm really stoked to have kids like within the next three or four years and just to see how someone reacts to that see if they're ready for it and they'll be like oh you want kids i'm like yeah i have like i have baby names picked out like got a sperm line up freddy eddie and teddy like fuck and i i have that conversation in a way that they know it's there because some people have been like, oh, I have a kids for another 20 years. And then I'd be like, oh, good to know. That's not going to work then. Or I'm not having kids for another five years.

And I'm like, it's workable. You know what I mean? So, OK. Yeah, I've definitely had that. But because I like older, it typically is working out. Is it good? Yeah. OK.

Did I read this correctly? I heard that anybody you date. Now you did give us context as to why it would happen it has to go through a background check with your security team yes can you walk me through how the fuck you tell this person this is going down i hate it no it is the absolute worst conversation luckily i've only had to have it once okay because look if I start talking to you till we're like serious yeah it doesn't really matter like if we go on three dates like it doesn't matter but like by the time we're hitting that like fourth date like maybe this could go somewhere that's when it's like okay here we go so the first thing I have to do is I have to alert my security team and be like so I'm talking to x

right now and then they do a little bit of a background. Like just like a like. Like a very. Like as if I was sending it to a friend. Like they check their socials. They just kind of see. And then we go from there. Is that weird?

Like do you like talking to your security team about your love life? I hate that I have to do it. Okay. I hate that what happened. That I have to do it. Okay. It's so fucked. But it's a safety thing. Yeah. And like. If I do have children with this person have to do it. It's so fucked, but it's a safety thing.

Yeah. And like, if I do have children with this person one day, like I, yes, run your background check. And to confirm, did this, this started after the incident? Okay. So you've not always been like rolling up with five security deep, like what's up? Let's go on a date with these five men. No.

Okay. No, no, no, no, no. This was after an incident. After, after the incident happened happened after the fuckery i yeah okay i um that's when it was like so now we're at the phase of your life and this this is a very normal celebrity thing like it is a very normal thing it sounds very awkward but my security team has done security for many of my idols many of people that i look up to many people that are in my same field and they're like this is a normal practice you essentially i just have to say to the person

like hey so because of something that i've gone through like i have to have my security on a background check on you there's two ways they can do it they can one they can interview you or b they can do it without talking to you but you still have to have knowledge of it essentially here's what i realized first time i had to have that conversation i was like this is horrific like i can't even believe i'm about to have this conversation like how embarrassing like right i'm taking this serious enough now that like my security has to check you like that's disgusting no matter whether you're a date deep or 20 dates deep like awful either way like you're gonna be that crazy after your date one or you're gonna be like fuck we've gone on 20 and

you're just now thinking of this like you're you're sol either either way like yes but luckily homegirl was like i'm totally fine like i get that like i understand your life i understand yeah like that makes sense that you would have to have that done like you can give them my number you know what i mean so that made me realize that if someone's dating me for the wrong reasons they'll be like ew why do you have to do that like that's that's weird but if someone's in it for the right reasons they're gonna be like actually i respect that i understand that well because i was like did anyone ever not pass the background check and like what no no no no no but like. But like, what happens?

Right. Like, what happens? What happens then? Goodbye. I'm in love with you. You gotta go. But you gotta go. It's more so I think I would just have to be aware of some things.

You know what I mean? I think that, like, look, mama, I'm not going to be in love with a criminal. Like, we're chilling. Yeah, we're chilling. There are some basic things that, like, you can just read a person right away. And like, I have talked to some people that I'm like, you gotta like you gotta do it right but yeah if that ever happened when my security was like this isn't good can your security find if people have like fake accounts and are trolls on reddit yes shut the fuck up yeah oh my god jojo like i need to come over and like have them like help

me out with a couple things wait they can find if they're trolls i could change your world yeah oh my god so everyone on the internet like whenever you're like oh i bet you have a fake account you can just have them go find it yeah wow you're kind of like the fairy godmother over there with your sparkles the internet is it is the internet right everything is out there whether you like it or you're not the fairy godmother with the sparkles literally i'm staring at you like i feel like i'm getting hypnotized i feel like i'm on drugs right now because i'm trying to look through there to look at your eyes and i'm like is she still there is this ai what is happening okay so wow you have

security and it has it's made it a little awkward but not too awkward yeah it's definitely it's definitely a conversation but it's gone good every time. Okay. What are you like in a relationship? Are you needy? Are you playful? Are you jealous? I am needy. I am attached. I crave love. I crave it. I haven't had it in a year and a half. I definitely am very territorial. I am. And that is a reason why I was like, I'm going to take some time. I told myself, I was like, I'm going to take a three month I was like I'm gonna take some time I told myself I was like I'm gonna take a three month dating break that was my goal then I tried to date again and I realized that I had all these problems now because of

the whole situation but yeah I was like I'm gonna take my cute three months fix my problems find it not become a jealous person anymore yeah but I definitely I have a lot of love to give and because my career is established not established but it's I've been doing it for a really long time it's been a decade of it so I

kind of just know how to keep going I have a lot of time too to give in a relationship and so where that's different is a lot of 20 year olds are just figuring out their life which I think is why I prefer 27 28 29 because they've got it figured out you know what I mean right you've been the one to typically end things how do you know when it's time to walk away that's a very hard thing there's never a good time ever first time for me it it was it was needing to happen like we both knew it and I I finally just grew the pair to do it and it was it was right for both of us and we both agree it was awful I finally just grew the pair to do it and it was it was right for both of us and we both agree it was awful horrific but it was the right thing um second relationship

was with the same girl and that time something happened where I was just like I just got I'm just I'm out like but we're good we're great terms um third time gut feeling literally like when I tell you woke up one day and was like and my family was like Jojo what like no like are you crazy and I was like I don't know I was like but I can't I can't be here anymore like I cannot I can't do it anymore and what do you know gut was so right how do you even break up with someone like are you someone like are you someone I'm bad I'm bad role play like pretend I'm the person what are you saying to me okay so I mean I'll give you my round one I don't think Kai would care okay I'll give you my round one I basically was just like it was in the middle of dancing with

the stars right and I was like hey babe like she's living in my house and i was like so it's really busy right now and there's just a lot going on and i think you just got to go home for a little bit jojo i was gonna let her get home i was gonna let her be with her family i was gonna call her and be like we're done she said are you breaking up with me obviously she said that you thinking sly, being like, there's a lot going on. You got to go home. Why? You're breaking up with me? Meanwhile, you're like, this is going to be brilliant.

This is going to be, let her down easy. And then you said yes. Of course I said yes. Fuck. Awful. But that's kind of civil. I tried my best to make it. I'd never truly broken up with somebody before.

Before that, okay, lies. I had a boyfriend, broke up with him with a text message like definitely gave him a text message and then yeah second time I broke up with her honestly don't remember how that one went I think it was like kind of the same pattern yeah let's take it let's take some time and then that time I she did get home though before I did it um and then my last one the gut feeling one was bad it was bad i look back at it and i'm like well you did your big one have fun with it i guess screaming she definitely she being me definitely sent an audio message no i know no but in how long how long okay nothing compared to the 47 minute audio message that i got back but it was giving like two and a half minutes oh you like went into an explanation well I was like look I I started off with being like

because we just had like she had just gotten home and I was like I just wanted I want you to have the whole audio message for us right now yeah 220 220 here we go so my timer no it basically was just me like setting it up being like I'm sending this to you like this so you can have a sec I did have a theory I did have thought behind it I was like I want to send you this in an audio a so you can hear my voice and it's not over text but b so you can process figure out how you're feeling and then call me I'll answer FaceTime I'll answer show up and I'll pick you up at the airport text me back block my number whatever you're feeling after this like in my head it was the right thing to do to give her a second to process and then decide how she was feeling um because I think that's what I wanted I guess okay that

makes sense like I get what you're saying now if you phone call if you're on a phone call the person can't be like can you give me five minutes let me walk away for a second and think about okay that's what I was like it's giving maturity a little we tried we did try we did try believe it or not i just look like a toddler at this point in my life i'm not one i just look like one fuck okay i love that you can joke about yourself yeah it's like i can't take myself too seriously we only get one of these things we call life yep um yeah i was just like i was like but i just am not in a position to be in a relationship anymore with you like i i don't remember what exactly went through it and then it was a little bit of a back and forth and then a couple days later i got a 47 minute audio message 47 whole

ass episode of crazy anatomy and then some change i was like did she have to record that on voice memo because like voice message doesn't it cut you off at two? Did she keep going? Boom, boom, boom. She kept going. Oh my. Because no one knows who I'm talking about officially. It could literally be anybody.

The worst part about the 47 audio message is she, you could hear her talk. Right. Right. And then you would hear a page flip. No. And she would keep talking. And then she would be sobbing okay moving on page flip page flip like wrapped up the tears with a moving on page flip and kept

reading okay not to like really get in detail but i just have to ask you when you see this amount of voice messages coming in are we sitting down with like pasta are we in the car like get where did you sit down you were sat believe it or not i was in disneyland shut the fuck up disney world of all places and i was like okay well not gonna take my 47 now but when i get back to the hotel like we'll be doing my big one like holy and just like sat and listened and like watch an episode of crazy anatomy like unfortunately like laughed like that's too crazy at that point it's like okay we've been breaking up broken up like you in a sense know what you did like you know why but like yeah really really dramatic you know what it's giving did you ever see did you see the Risa Tisa woman with like part 47 of that

oh there's one more if you want one more what told me ring ring ring this is this was after the 47 minute audio message ring ring ring who's her mom it's like oh god that's gotta go to voicemail that's gotta go to voicemail send it to voicemail hey jojo it's bebe's mom um she's She's not here with me right now. She doesn't know that I'm calling you. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm sitting right here with her and she's so sad. What?

Like, so that's what I'm saying. Like, there's so much when I go through something publicly that the world doesn't see. And that I choose not to be very detailed about because like until you come on call her daddy sweetie for what it's worth i gave no names exactly there are a few people who that could be about totally totally and also like who gives a fuck wait this is this is like the new way to break up with people voice message it's i'm not kidding look it's kind of mature it is i like the second to process as somebody who when i'm feeling super

strong emotions i don't know how to talk right i don't know how to find my words like i don't need to write a script and send a 47 minute audio but i do like to have a second to be like am i sad am i mad am i happy do I need a break do I need to go get a water do I need to cry you know what I mean and so because it's because it's like when you go through a breakup if you do it in person which is obviously you would think is like the go-to which I get yeah but then the person needs to be like you can process this then you drive home then you think about it and then you come back and have another conversation so really a voice message it's the modern way to break up with people I'm into it like if I could go back in time I would probably

do it again like I think if I was in a more serious relationship like I wouldn't do it but at the level that that relationship was like if you're in a 20-year relationship yeah maybe don't do the audio message 101 please no three months good to go we'll be fine how would you describe what you're looking for now somebody who is down to okay I think this just comes from how I was raised okay but almost down to just be a stay-at-home wife stay-at-home mom stay-at-home person like live your life I mean I always just say like my person will be my person um I would love somebody that will come to the studio with me will come home and say hey you want a peanut butter and jelly not someone that's like all right babe I'm

going to school all day like see in eight hours or I'm going to work all day like I want them to have their passion whatever they want to do but I I financially make enough to support a family and then my family's families you know what I mean and so I would love somebody that just wants to live life and is good and is helpful but isn't it doesn't feel the need to some people do feel I feel the need to work you know what I mean and so I I not I don't want to be someone's sugar daddy but like Jojo as a sugar daddy like it's giving I get what you're saying what's gonna be interesting for you is to find like you may meet the love of your life and you may think you wanted the stay-at-home person but then I might meet the most talented driven person that you're like fuck we're gonna just

have to make this work yep because I love you so much I think right now what you're like fuck we're gonna just have to make this work yep because i love you so much i think right now what you're describing is you know where someone could fit into your life yeah but if you met someone and it became a partnership you probably could make it work whatever it is right yeah i do think that because especially all of my people that have been i've been in a series i've i've had to okay fed to let me know all relationships. I mean, if you count my two boys, I've had four. Oh. She's a high world over here. But my two total opposite worlds.

Right. One completely normal, nothing to do with the industry, normal school, normal college, like normal. One full influencer. You know what I mean? And so I've definitely, I've had my fair share of both. You know, I feel really happy that I got to sit down with you today because I find myself fascinated when I watch people on the internet

and knowing I'm in this industry I can always like slightly see like yeah there's more to it but you are a very nice person that like has an online persona that is larger than life yes so it's hard i bet for a lot of people to like even believe there's like substance and a chill person and a human behind that like even okay jojo we quickly have to talk about your car outside are we getting rid of it like can you to anyone that doesn't know what i'm talking about you have a tesla that is completely wrapped in like my 15 year old face and it's like a hundred of your faces. So many of them. Big bow and all. Spinners that are rainbow.

It's the insides rainbow and rhinestone. Like it's a whole thing. First of all. Safety hazard? Very much so. You're driving and everyone knows. It's like. Follow.

Swerving. Like no one else can drive the car but me and my dad. Because only him and I know how to like navigate it. Because it is. People swerve. People follow. It's really bad. Why do you drive that car?

So I typically don't. Okay. I typically don't. But so the car thing is actually very interesting. I, that was my first car. Okay. Okay. And my, lies, that was my second car.

But my first car, my parents bought me and they had it wrapped with my Dream the Tour logo. That was my big concert tour that I did when I was a kid. And it became a big promotional tool. Me driving it all the time. Me and pictures. Me and videos. It became like massive promo.

We're like, oh shit, this is a thing. So then they made toys of the JoJo car. Then we were like, okay. So then I got this car and my manager got me this car. And it was originally painted really cool. And then I just didn't like the paint job anymore. And so I wrapped it and David Dobrik had pranked his friend and put his face all over it. And I was like, oh my God, think of the video if I put my own face.

That would be hysterical. So I did it for a video and then it became a thing and they made that car for a toy. And then I was like, then it just became a thing. It became a social media thing it became a what is she driving it became a look at your face right now like are you psychotic it became that insane and then it became a massive promotional tool massive I don't know what I did my pride clothing collection last year and we put that on the car because it just it is such a wacky thing like why why do you have this and so it works and it works and so now we're doing it again with karma okay hold on do you at least

have like a random g-wagon in the house so you can like whip it out and like go get a fucking coffee and not get so i had so my my car that's being wrapped currently was plain white. Okay. Not very discreet. She is a Lamborghini, but she is plain white. Oh my God. Jojo. But she's plain white. Let her be plain white for a second.

And then my mom and dad have a car, both of them. And so I can drive either of their cars at any point. Okay. They moved. So now I got two cars. One with 15 year old me face on and one with 20 year old me face on. Jojo, we need to like get you a car so you can like be a little inconspicuous. I do. Especially now I will probably get a new car that we will leave like plain.

Like plain, plain, plain. Wait, like when you want to go like have a dinner and just like be a little normal for a second. So here's the problem. Okay. No matter what, I go to that dinner. No matter what car I drive. Right. I still hop out of the car and it's still. Paparazzi. Nuts. second here's the problem okay no matter what i go to that dinner no matter what car i drive right i still hop out of the car and it's still paparazzi nuts no matter what even in the restaurant that's

where like dating becomes a problem like do we have to take the jojo car no i don't want to either but no no matter what when we get there it's still gonna be a show for the world so let's just uber eats and that's like why i'm a home bird. That's another thing. So get this. Because we were talking about dating and because we've gotten deep on shit. You'll like this. Something that is very strange is because of how public I am, like going on dates with somebody isn't a thing.

First date is always at the house, always with the family. Because my family is always around. We all live together. Right. And I can't date somebody in public for the first few months. Of course. You've read the house. Always with the family. Because my family is always around. We all live together. Right. And I can't date somebody in public for the first few months. Of course. Right, right, right. So our first time meeting each other was like, yeah, come over to the house.

Meet my whole family. Day one. Okay, now that you're going to be alone, are you going to fucking invite your family over quickly? Absolutely not. Or are you going to be alone? Absolutely not. Will you have security there? Absolutely.

Okay. 100%. Just outside. Outside. Okay, just to chill. We have walkie-talkie. not. Will you have security there? Absolutely. Okay. A hundred percent. So we'll just outside, outside. Okay. Just a chill. We have walkie talkie. If I need you,

I'll call you. Like I can scream really loud if I need to. We're giving walkie talkie on the first date. I am dying. Okay. So you'll do a little outside date and just chill. Yeah. Like just like,

okay. And I'm a talker. Like we will talk for two or three months over the phone before I like actually make a move to hang out with somebody okay we'll talk about Freddie Eddie and Teddy before I'll do it in person of course naturally for sure for sure I want to get you on the Freddie Eddie and Teddy bandwagon I don't know if I'll ever get on that bandwagon that's okay but I honestly I'll accept it no and I I think what you have a like listen you have a good fucking rebuttal the fact

that i started this being like you're gonna get your kids are gonna get fucking bullied you're like if that's the thing they're getting bullied for yeah fucking love it i'm like you have a fucking point but you could try to give them a head start with no bullying there's no chance and be like they're my kids it's like i had a past partner be like i don't want to have kids in the public eye and i was like they're my children like right they don't even have a shot at a private life like it's just like the reality it's just the reality and like I'm not gonna exploit them like unless they want to do something in the industry they totally can but like their kids are gonna be somewhat in the public eye just because like their mom is but if they hate their names they can go by their middle names we can have anthony tyler and jay okay i i like that but freddie eddie teddy's way okay yeah yeah yeah

yeah okay what happens is like i'll see a little girl right there's this little girl that ran by my studio the other day she was probably three carrying a 24 ounce coffee iced coffee okay like running in her gymnastics leotard socks no shoes and i was like ah there's freddie like that's like i'll see these twin like if i see twin boys anywhere i'll be like look there's eddie and teddy over there what if you don't have twins that is that is that is a fair that is a fair point then how are we pivoting teddy would probably come first so you're basically admitting you like Teddy more than Freddie? Or is it Eddie?

Freddie is the baby girl. Oh, Freddie. Eddie is the baby boy. Yeah. So it's Teddy and Eddie. I like Teddy. You like Teddy more than Eddie. Well, Eddie is like the bad troublemaker.

Oh. Eddie Anthony is a rebel. And I love the rhyme of Teddy Tyler. I think that's so cute. Fucking Jesus Christ. I just called Teddy Eddie. And then I'm like, wait, Freddie is the girl?reddie's the girl fucking shit oh my god they're gonna freak out i can't no because i had to ask you because i'm like there's gotta be a reason i don't know

if i'm on board but you know what the fact that they have their middle names i'm like godspeed okay finishing up okay this new era for you music and your outfits and just changing wrapping your car to not have that face but your 20 something year old face like describe it how do you feel about it I feel like I am becoming the artist that I've always wanted to become I feel like I finally am able to take these massive video visions and massive I mean this first video for karma we've joked around that it's a major motion picture in two and a half minutes because like it is and the budget and i was able to finance it myself like it is it is wild and so i i feel like i'm finally becoming

the artist that i've always wanted to be i'm so proud i know the world's gonna shit on it no yes yeah why did i say no yes but we gotta watch it to shit on it you know what i mean and whether people like it or not it has become and yes pun very much so intended people's guilty pleasure people are even i i have this tiktok that i was posting today that was like look whether you like it or not what's been in your head the last three days and then the song just plays in the background. And I'm kind of mad because I've had this TikTok for like five days. You can ask anyone on my team and I'm like, I'm just saving it for the right time, the right time. And today I woke up and my For You page, every other one is

like, look, everyone's been knocking it, but I've been walking around my house singing it. Look, people say what you want, but you all know I've been saying I was a bad girl and I'm like shit people are reading me to it but my one that I just posted is doing good so I don't want to post it yet so tonight tonight tonight like no matter what tonight because the trend's happening without me and I want to jump on the trend like panicking I mean listen you're doing a great job you clearly are a businesswoman you know what the fuck you're doing what do you think is the biggest misunderstanding about you that I have somebody telling me what to do on every level. From the time I was a kid to people being like,

this manager has to be crazy. But it was me. To now being like, her team needs to stop. I'm like, actually, it's me. And it ain't stopping anytime soon. You're like, I'm the one that picked out this're like i'm the one that picked out this hat i'm the one that picked out this song i'm the one that's doing all of this and this hat did its big one in this like can you imagine the comments i'm already seeing it it's gonna be but here's the thing imagine the comments it could be your

most commented on thing you're right you're right you know what you're doing like that's that is something like i i think i've just understood because i've grown up in it yeah that is just a game yeah it is just a massive game and it is art and it is i'm an entertainer and you're really fucking good at it thank you i try what do you want people to take away from this interview that maybe like had a certain understanding of you on the internet actually can i in a reverse please what did you take away from it great question jojo i think i besides my baby names are psycho aside from the fact that you're fucking insane for naming your future children that and i stand by that I will say when

I was prepping for this interview I was having a really hard time understandably we all come from like yeah what our experience is picturing myself in my younger teen years thinking of the things most of kids my age were doing and how we wanted to look I was interested to try to understand Jojo the girl with the bow and the neon and the sparkles and all of it and try to understand like is this a kid that's like been a little stunted from like mentally malnourished yeah basically like have you been held back to play this character and not been able to live normal experiences you haven't had normal experiences that doesn't mean that you haven't been able to grow in the way that you've grown and I think when you talk about being so much more mature in your day-to-day life than what a 16 year

old was doing at the time you're right I wasn't fucking cutting business deals I wasn't walking into meetings having to present myself in a certain way and think about what my career was going to look like and strategize and what's the next season and what's the look and what's this and be in charge of employees yeah be in charge there's a point in time on tour I was in charge of 60 people yeah and listen like I can speak for my own experience too it doesn't mean that like you're not putting some stuff up that people can objectively be like that's a little cringe Jojo like jojo why are we humping the air jojo i agree why are we taking back in time what the fuck were you doing it's also like it's refreshing also if i can be like because i care i think about people's mental health like it's refreshing to know you're okay honestly i think everything

that's recently come out with the Nickelodeon documentary and just seeing like yeah child stars there is more kids that have not had your experience and have had your experience and people that were learning about like the pressures financially and the abuse and just all of it I'm lucky that my bad has not been bad yeah and I think I wasn't sure today has been a little bit of bullying on the internet like that's a lot a lot of bullying a lot of bullying on the internet but compared to people with their parents people with their creators people with their financials people with their bodies being around people they didn't want them to be around like I have been so lucky and I credit that to my mom my mom has kept every psychopath out of my life dude and you

even saying that like you yes are so fortunate you didn't have to go through that but I guess sitting with you today it was helpful to hear it from you to be like I've never been taken advantage of for my family yeah like because one could assume like you're having a mental breakdown 100 you're losing your mind. 100%. You look fucking insane with your jewels and everyone's like this bitch is about to have a mental breakdown. And in 10 years we're going to hear a really sad story about JoJo. So it's like you're very much in control of your life. Yes.

And getting to sit with you for I don't even know. This has been probably two fucking hours at this point. Thank you for opening up to me because I never really go into an interview with judgment. But I obviously in doing research there was only so much I could find of like what is this person going to be like and and you're lovely no offense to your generation or your age how old are you 29 yep you're the age that judges me like 1000 without a doubt because when I was 16 right four years ago you were 25 yeah you're the what the fuck is that 16 year old doing yeah like what right you know what I mean and so it's so understandable and I

actually loved the approach that you took in this interview because I've never gotten to talk about 99% of the stuff that I got to talk about today I'm so happy that you and I it feels like I'm happy you were comfortable with talking about it because I think my favorite thing to do on the show is like poke a little bit at like acknowledging what's happening but then be like okay but actually now let me hear from your perspective and you don't owe anyone anything you didn't owe me anything to like totally just you know claim a narrative or whatever but like totally it does help because now when I see you doing all your shit online and I'm going to be laughing like get it bitch.

Fucking get it. Get your bag. Get your money. No one you're going to be like jumping on me doing this dance right now. I'm gonna give you this dance on the fringe hat because when I do that in the fringe hat like go make a tick tock. Jojo Siwa. Thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy.

It was a pleasure. It really was. Was the best day of my life thank you