Call Her Daddy - Julia Fox

Episode Date: February 9, 2022

This week, Father Cooper sits down with Julia Fox. This year, Julia has been the center of media attention following her romantic relationship with Kanye West. But don’t get it twisted - Julia has been living a fascinating life way before Mr. West entered the building. Julia gives us the inside look at life as a dominatrix and describes what it is like to work in the ‘dungeon’ and her favorite characters to role-play. Julia also reveals how her young NYC party lifestyle led to her battle with addiction. Obviously your father doesn’t hold back, we discuss all things Kanye West as well as Julia’s thoughts on being compared to Kim Kardashian. Grab your popcorn and enjoy! This episode includes discussion of substance misuse. Please keep this in mind when deciding if, how and when you’ll listen. For resources on these topics, visit spotify.com/resources.

what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy julia fox welcome to call her daddy thank you for having me how was your weekend um my weekend was pretty um well it's like when I'm not traveling I have just like more work to do at home so it's like never it's just like always constantly work work work so when you're in New York you're kind of like almost on work mode and then you're trying to yeah and mommy mode like full-time yeah congratulations thank. So incredible. So you were just working. Although I think I did see on a little site that you were at Paul's baby. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like my sister's birthday. So, um, shout out Richie. And we went to, um, Emilio's and then we went to Paul's underground, which is funny. Like I haven't been there in like literally 10 years or something like I used to go

all the time it's like my neighborhood club and it was funny like I walked in and like the DJ started playing like Kanye West and like all these like really excited white boys were like rapping all the lyrics like really passionately and it was it was like a real an experience it was cool probably a different experience than the last time you were there. And then now you're there singing a song in your face. You're like, okay, everybody calm down. I know. White boys relax.

Yeah, it was amazing though. What is a normal day for you like i want to know like you woke up today like what did you do like what is your daily i mean i immediately like just tend to my son so it's like brush teeth breakfast bath play then after a couple hours i'll put him down for a nap and that's when like my day begins so then it's like okay then I'll shower and like brush my teeth and answer my emails and like just pretty much get to work love it but other than that it's like just like my son is always like my number one like and everything's always kind of just built around his schedule that's kind of when I can focus on myself. Your birthday is on Wednesday.

Yeah. Happy early birthday. Thank you. What are your birthday plans? I think we're going to go to Lucien. Yeah. Because I've grown up. I grew up with Zach, who's Lucien's son.

R-I-P, Lucien. And yeah, I had my son's birthday there. It's just like easy. Is it going to be a big party? I think so. Have you picked out your outfit? No, we're not there yet. You're not there? I don't know.

Maybe my stylists have something, have been working on something. But I don't know. I haven't seen it yet. Well, you've been like iconic recently in the fashion game. Who are you loving as a designer right now? Besides Kanye. Yeah, you can say Kanye I respect it I mean I love Daniel at Schiaparelli a lot um Glenn Martins at Diesel and JPG which I also love um I love Wang as well um Vivian Westwood so you're not planning like your outfits like too far in advance I mean Julia it's Monday you have no birthday outfit yeah no I but everything's

kind of like that with me okay so you're kind of just like a fly by the your pants gal yes like everything's last minute and and we're just kind of winging it and pulling it together and like like even that eyeliner moment like that was like we just decided like let's like try it and see if it looked like you know what I mean it wasn't like planned out like everything's just how did you feel about that that everyone was like whoa what the fuck people hated it I loved it I just like wanted it more bigger smudgier like I don't know I just feel like I'm so over like seeing the perfect contouring and and the like perfect lashes like it's like I want to be real I want to be just be more like just real and and I don't want to be perfect and

I don't want I don't need everyone to like me I'm not here for that you know I feel like it was such a bold choice and even though people were like shitting on it everyone was talking about it and then no and then I like Chanel did their eye makeup that you know what I mean similarly in that way and then I saw it in other places as well and it's like that's fucking cool was everyone around you hyping you up and then it was just the internet shitting on you. Like everyone was like, oh my God, it looks so good. Yeah. In person, everyone was gagging and loved it.

And then on the internet, obviously people hated it. But it's like, that's when you know you did something good when everyone shits on it. No, dude, I didn't want to. Because it's different. I've done that semi before, but not as exaggerated. And I got so much shit on my picture. And I was kind of like, fuck off. I was trying something different.

Like, let me live. I know. People are so fucking rude on my picture and I was kind of like, fuck off. I was trying something different. Like, yeah, let me live. I know people are so fucking rude on the Internet. OK, it's I didn't know how bad it was until recently. Yeah. And now do you read the comments? Sometimes like like very rare. Like I don't Google anything. I don't read the headlines like I never see anything.

Yeah. But occasionally, obviously, I do see it. You know, it's impossible not to but I just laugh like it doesn't really affect me I don't care are there any ones that do affect you if someone says something about my kid I'll block them love yeah yeah other than that like not really I don't care I love New York I used to live here. I moved to L.A. So I miss it. And I'm so happy when I'm back. What neighborhood makes you feel most at home? I would have to say the East Village just because I probably spent the most years cumulatively there.

And I went to high school there and just like downtown in general. But I also have like a lot of like PTSD from the East village as well. You know what I mean? Cause it's like the most, yeah. Like every block I'm like, Oh, like that happened there.

Like, Oh, you got in a fight here. Like whatever. Like it's, everything's like a reminder of like high school. It's like the worst time ever. I,

my first apartment was in Lower East side and I feel the same way. I'll like see a street and be like, don't look. Yeah. That's the street I vomited on. Fuck. But it's of like okay so East Village is your place definitely I saw this TikTok and I was like dying for it so someone was like okay we're gonna play marry fuck kill but with New York neighborhoods and I can go first because I was like okay this is actually funny. I feel like I would kill Murray Hill. Oh, definitely.

Okay. Yeah. Okay, then I would fuck West Village maybe and then marry Tribeca. Okay. Yeah, that's pretty accurate. Okay. I would either marry Upper East Side or Tribeca. Love.

Yeah. Who would you kill I mean Murray Hill is pretty spot on because you know you lived here yeah so you get it like yeah it's like what is that I know there's like a theater there's like a movie theater what's going on and then that's it like I'm not really sure yeah like honestly probably that or like yeah that, that probably Murray Hill. Murray Hill dies every time. Because every other neighborhood has something redeemable. That's like, it's Manhattan, it's New York, you know, like.

Totally. And then Murray Hill, you're like, like literally the movie theater. I don't know. I agree. How do you think growing up in New York City affected how quickly you matured? Well, I think it definitely affected how quickly I matured? Well, I think it definitely affected how quickly I matured because at a very young age, I was exposed to a lot of adult situations, just leaving the house. You know what I mean? You just are going to see it. So I think like

the exposure and then also not really being monitored properly and then kind of just being curious and also kind of fearless and just wanting to see the world and wanting to go have experiences and go live my life. Yeah. Because you're, so your parents were divorced and you were, no, they're actually still married. But your dad lived in New York? But they don't, they've never lived in the same country. So it's like a weird, like, I don't know, my, my mom's Italian. She's like, doesn't really like America. Like she likes Italy and like wants to stay there. And, and my dad like, just didn't, I don't know. It just didn't really work out. So you weren't, you didn't have like, how would you describe,

did you have any supervision growing up really in New York no just a flat no you're like no absolutely not and so he tried like my dad like there were times like when it would be like really getting out of control where he would try like I remember one time but like but that's the thing it's like when you grow up with like just your dad it's like such a different home environment like I remember one time he literally slept in the chair like one of those recliner chairs in front of the door the front door so that I wouldn't leave and I just climbed out my window I lived on the second floor we had a fire escape so I just climbed out the fire escape and then at like 10 a.m. I like came knocking it wasn't 10 a.m. I like came knocking. It wasn't 10 a.m. because he was still sleeping in the chair as I'm knocking.

It was probably like 7 a.m. or something. And I'm knocking. And he like woke up and he was actually more impressed and like laughing, like thought it was funny that I still found what, you know, he was like, how did you do it? How did you do it? And I was just like, I have my ways. Like, don't ask. Like, you know. So, like, grounding you would never work?

No. No. Like, the most maybe they would do is, like, take my phone away. Got it. But then it's like, I don't care, you know. I'll just go out. Yeah. And then you won't be able to reach me even more.

So, like, you know. How old were you when you first went clubbing? Like, proper clubbing? Maybe, you when you first went clubbing? Like proper clubbing, maybe like 14. So good. How did you get an ID? Oh, my God. We literally, my friend Alex, she like printed them like herself, like laminated. Like it was so, like they were so so bad like that was actually my first fake

ID but then obviously we ended up figuring it out but and we would just use that and like they were so clearly fake but I think it's like you see like slutty like picture the girl like the two girls in the movie 13 like you get like that vibe and it's like you're gonna let them in the hot under yeah fuck no like I had braces and they were letting me in girl like go ahead sweetie you definitely look 27 yeah yeah yeah fuck you yeah um when did you first experiment with drugs um probably in in like middle school like sixth or seventh grade. Was it just because you found them through like friends? I think the first drugs that I ever tried was weed and it was actually my friend's mom who had it.

And it was like very casual in their household to just smoke weed together and pass it around. And then that's kind of where I started smoking weed like a lot, like every day. That was like seventh grade. Do you still smoke weed? Yeah. Love it. Did you ever get in trouble with like the law growing up? Definitely. Oh, tell us. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So much. I was actually on probation for like three years and that really like saved my life in a way because for the first time it was like I'm grounded do you know what I mean and and and I remember my my first drug test on probation came back positive for marijuana and it was like this big thing about like am I gonna go to prison for a year like what is my probation officer gonna do and then um

she just like gave me some drug really intense drug program that I needed to do and that was it but it was like you know a lot of situations like that where like I it was like a by miracle that like it didn't it didn't end up worse for me but but I really honestly credit like Ms. Cortez, my probation officer, because you know, like she really, um, made sure that I, you know, and she even,

she even said, she was like, I know your type. She was like, I know you're manipulative and I know you're a liar. Yeah. And, and I was so sweet and cute and blah,

blah, and she could see right through me. But yeah. And I, that was really like difficult. And I mean, that was, it was like,

Oh fuck. Okay. I'm really going was, it was like, oh, fuck. Okay, I'm really going to have to do this now. Because now it's not your dad. Yeah, it's not someone I can bullshit. When you say you were like manipulating and lying, like was it mostly to adults? Yeah, any authority figure. Right. Not to my friends or anything, just like any type of authoritative situation.

What were you on probation for that time um if that was uh like credit card um stuff and it was grand larceny and a bunch of other type it was a bunch of just a bunch of really big things and we were like indicted and me and my best friend who is actually my one of my stylists now um and we she was my co-defendant and we like had to go to like i think it was like the supreme court i honestly can't even remember because I would literally show up like high on ecstasy from the night before and sometimes miss court too and not show up at all like it was like that was the type of shit I was on like I really didn't care what happened to me and I didn't care about my future when was the first time you got in trouble with the law like the first time probably like in middle school like running away from home okay getting picked up like stuff like that like

nothing really like serious like maybe like we're at a party they're kicking us out like little things like that the first time I was arrested arrested I think I was like stealing from like it might have been like Bloomingdale's like I I know I know I was like stealing from like it might have been like Bloomingdale's like I know I know I got arrested stealing at Bloomingdale's but it might have been somewhere else but I'm pretty sure it was Bloomingdale's this time so then when you were indicted that was like kind of the cattle it was amazing though because then years later I ended up doing a campaign for Bloomingdale's and as I come in they're like come and check in through the side entrance. And they wanted my ID. And I was like, oh my God, they're going to search in the system that I'm banned here. Because the actual campaign was in the store. And it was

so funny. But it was like really full circle, you know? You're like, now I'm giving back. Yeah. I'm paying my dues. Okay, fuck off. Wow. So you ended up getting in. You were fine. Yeah, no, it was fine. Yeah. So when did you start supporting yourself financially and why? As like as a teenager, like pretty young, I remember like always wanting to work. Like I remember being like 16 and getting the right paperwork so that I could like work at a store or like like I always wanted wanted to work. Um, but you know, I, it wasn't enough money to like support myself, like independent, like I wanted to be independent and, um, and, and then I was kind of forced into a situation that I can't really go too deep in,

but I like was forced to be independent and it was like, fuck, like, well, you know, I can't work, work at the pastry shop forever. You know what I mean? Like, that's not going to cut it. Like, I'm going to need more money. So I just went on Craigslist and I went on the adult section and everything was like sex, you know, like, you know, that type of vibe, like be my slutty secretary, like that. And I was like, like, I don't know if I can do that. Like, you know, I was still like a kid. I wasn't comfortable like to have sex with a stranger. Like I wasn't even comfortable to have sex with someone that I knew. Um, so I saw an ad and it was like, no sex, um, no nudity and can make up to a thousand something dollars a day or something like whatever huge number to me

I was like wow this is the most money I've ever heard in my life um so obviously I just I went um and I met up with this like really um like kind of insane looking white guy with this like long black trench coat and he had me like write that like a sadistic like like BDSM fantasy and just like off the top like write it and I did and he loved it and he hired me on the spot and then obviously I roped him in my like BFF to come with me because I was like I can't do this alone and um and that was the end of that and I was just naturally very good at it yeah and then working there, I feel like it was really good for my self-esteem. I think I went in there like really not unsure of myself, like not really confident in who I was. And I definitely left like knowing my worth. When you say you were

dominatrix, I think so many people are like actually don't even know what that means. Can you describe for someone that may not understand that? Like what is a dominatrix? Yeah. So it's kind of, it's like, you know, similar to a stripper. There's an establishment and it's, it's called a dungeon. And there's a few in Manhattan and in other parts of New York as well. And it's legal. And the specific dungeon that I worked out was like, you would go downstairs into the basement and there'd be like all these different rooms and there was a medical room there was um for like you know nurse type of doctor fantasy um there was um like a torture room um like another type of chamber like all these like a cross-dressing room a teaching like a school

room like just for any type of fantasy and then like um it's really like it's really like role playing it's like acting it's it's role playing and then um that's kind of how I would describe it like when people were like where did you get your start in acting I said well it's really like at the dungeon because I would have to improv like multiple times a day on very short notice like someone comes in they look at all the books of all the girls they might want to meet you in person and then that's it you have five minutes to get ready and they just kind of tell you really quickly what they're into and that's it then you figure it out and you have to wing it so you know like doing that that's like really good training if you do that all the time yeah you got to be like on your shit like you got to have to be on your shit yeah and to clarify for everyone you're not having sex with these people no okay no no no um because i feel like that's a

misconception people yeah yeah well i mean listen it's not unheard of. Like there would be rumors of some girls that we would hear of. But that's like that's like I feel like in the dominatrix world, like, I mean, you know, you need what they're called slaves and in the, in the BDSM community, like when you have sex with them, you're kind of putting them on your level in a way. And like, they need to know that they will never be worthy to have that. Like the, the, the pussy, they'll never be good enough for the pussy. Do you know what I mean? Like they could kiss my feet. I could smother them, maybe sit on their face, like with my panties, but they'll never ever be good enough for my vagina. And like, that's very important, you know? Right the boundary yeah so what types of fantasies did you like did were you like okay like you liked and what were some of that you were like I don't fuck with that like I don't like it as much I honestly liked all of them what was your favorite um

what was my god there were so many, but it was, it was actually amazing because through doing this just for money, I ended up, um, kind of learning about my own sexuality, which I'd never really had a chance to explore because my sexuality was always kind of being used against me or like, do you know what I mean? Or just, or just I I was my sexuality was something to be guarded and protected not something to be like explored so in this very controlled environment I was also able to to explore my my own because there'd be times in a session where I'd be like oh damn like this is actually like horny as fuck like this is hot you know so it does happen right which one do you think you're the best at I mean just like body worshiping like what is that like stuff like that just like kiss my

boots kiss my legs like like that type of stuff like tease and denial and you just like you just talk dirty to them yeah it's definitely a lot of verbal communication. It's very mental, this type of line of work, you know. That is really interesting to think about exploring your sexuality in such like a open way in like where it's so accepted probably there, obviously, like everyone is like being very vulnerable. And everyone's a freak. And we know it. So it's like, I won't judge you. You won't judge me. And, you know so it's like I won't judge you you won't judge me and you know it's okay can anyone go there like yeah wow yeah anyone can just show up and go and I honestly recommend that you do it's really not that expensive it's like I think like 250 an hour or something um and remember to tip yeah because they take most of that 25 or 30 percent bitches what was your wardrobe like was it fire like what were you yes oh my god that's why it's like now everyone sees me like wearing latex and like pvc and all that shit but it's like dude i've literally

i grew up in this shit like i came out the womb in the fucking latex like actually um yeah no the the fucking that the fits were insane like patent leather boots like like thigh high you know what I mean at all and most of them were gifts from clients oh yeah like we would really finesse like the 400 latex you know like the fucking so hot the really good shit what is your advice to anyone interested in working as a dominatrix? I really feel like the, from the time that I spent there, which was a few years on and off, I would say like the most successful doms that I saw, they genuinely also were interested in what they were doing. Got it. Like, for me, like, I remember even being little, and my dad used to, like, make me have play dates with, like, the kids in my class who were, like, maybe not as popular or something.

Like, he would just do that, and it was fine. Like, I didn't care, but, like, I would, like, hang out with these, like, little boys and, like, boss them around and, like, make them, like, crawl around on their knees, and, like, I would, like, get on their little boys and like boss them around and like make them like crawl around on their knees. And like I would like get on their back and like ride them like. And I was like and as I was working in the dungeon and men would ask me to do things, I'd be like, oh, my God, like this is totally like like I'm sure the kids that I did that to. They probably like fantasize, like have similar fantasies. Like some guy was like he wanted to be dressed like a girl and like pretend similar fantasies like some guy was like um he wanted to

be dressed like a girl and like pretend that we were like brother and sister and I was like damn I used to dress my brother up like a girl like fuck like you don't think he's now into the shit too or something you know it's like you kind of like connect the dots and and figure out no that makes sense it's like there's a niche space of like people that really succeed are the ones that actually like take it to heart and you're like I am enjoying this and I want to do this you need to believe it authentic you really need to like believe in what in what you're doing because otherwise it's gonna like you're just it's a lot it's a lot of on on someone's mental health what are some of the risks of working as a dominatrix?

Um, that you might never get out of it. Yeah. Did you feel that? Um, there were moments where I was like, Oh my God, you know,

I would see the older girls, but specifically like one older girl, like she had, um, actually gone to the same high school as me we had the same advisor 10 years prior right right so and I was like damn I wonder if I'm gonna be here like you know in 10 years um but like she's still fabulous and amazing it's not a bad thing but like you know I obviously wanted more yeah did you were clients ever like creepy like did it ever were you ever like scared like that they would like what how is it scary I mean sorry no you're good there there definitely were moments where I was like oh my god this person's

really creepy and scary and I would just like run out and just tell the manager and then she and then she'd fucking handle it and she was like oh scary like 300 pound ukrainian woman who like you don't want to get the fuck out yeah she was like gonna handle it yeah did you get any ideas of how to perform from porn no i actually never even watched fetish porn prior to this. Like it was once I got into it that then I started Googling and I was like, OK, so like let me see how they do it, you know? Totally. But I was really just kind of going off like instinct.

Like I could just figure it. You can just figure it out. It's not rocket science, you know? Like what kind of porn are you now into and like what turns you on about it I'm into like weirdly like like partner like swapping and then like watching or something so like four sums yeah like more like that vibe right now like cuckolding shit yeah yeah like I'm I could totally like I've never done it it's like so out, like in my other relationships, I feel like, um, like the, I don't, I don't know. I've always been so jealous and so possessive and in all my relationships. And I really like, I don't want to be like that in the future,

you know? So it is hot. Like I, I feel like when you see your partner, that jealousy in a way, if it's controlled does turn you on. Yeah. Especially if you know you see your partner, that jealousy in a way, if it's controlled, does turn you on. Yeah. Especially if you know, like your partner really like if they love you and like they're doing it to turn you on, then that's hot. It's so hot. And it creates like this different type of energy. I've been the same.

I've never done it with my partner, but I've always said like, I feel like it would be hot to watch him with another girl. But I'm like, if it actually happened would I lose like what I know how would I feel in the moment but I honestly think like in the moment we'd probably be able to handle it really well that's what I've always said on my show like I think it's just establishing some type of boundary prior yeah you go into it blind and then the key's doing something you're like wait don't do that like what the fuck are you guys cuddling after you guys just fucking fucked like what's going on okay you eventually were invested in a nightclub. How did being in kind of that nightlife elevate your experience in New York when you were younger? Well, the nightclub came about because I

was dating someone whose passion was to open a nightclub. So he asked me for money and I was like, okay, let's look at what happened. Then he ended up attacking me. And after we broke up, cause obviously I'm like, well, we're broken up, but I'm still going to come here because I still put money in this place and you didn't even put any money in this place. So I'm still going to come with all my friends and drink for free. And I was doing that one night and he got really jealous and he attacked me and it became like a really really big deal and it and it was kind of before the like me too like movement like you know and I was like hey like this happened to me and like in a room full of people like people literally saw it happen and if there was still question about whether like if I initiated it because

I had had this reputation of being kind of like a loose cannon I guess right but it's not I'm not a loose cannon like I just speak up for myself and I speak up when I see some things fucked up or unfair and so it was like really like the first time that I was like wow you know because I would always hear stories of women that come forward and then like nobody believes them. And I was like, yeah, but that would never happen to me. Like everyone would believe me. And no, like it was very much like divided, like who like who was on whose side.

And in that moment, like I was like felt so betrayed by like my own city. Like it was like a full like collective like betrayal. So I just left and it was like the best thing I could have ever done you want to speak up and then when you're not believed you question everything of like what if this happened again now I probably wouldn't speak up next time and that like breeds such an unhealthy culture well that that actually happened something else happened involving like a very prominent person and like I didn't say anything because I was like, now that's just going to look like I'm this out unhinged, like, well, I'll just keep it to myself. But I did suffer like emotional damage from that. Like I was like unwell for like a few months. Do you ever think you would speak about it or no?

No, because it's like, if that person was still out and able to hurt people, then yes, but he's not. So it's fine. You know, it's like, what is that? I don't need more like. Totally. Yeah. Drama. How did also being immersed in the club scene affect your alcohol and drug intake? I don't like not so much because my drug use was always very like, um, like alone or like with one

or two other people. Do you know what I mean? Like it was always very like private and like more, um, I don't know. It just, it wasn't like if, if when I was out partying, it was like still fun. It was like, you know what I mean? Like it wasn't like you fun it was like you know what I mean like it wasn't like you yeah it was like you it was dark yeah it wasn't dark yeah like my drug use was not fun like in that way so you talked about were you referencing when you were like and then I just got out of there is that when you went to Louisiana yeah so for people that don't know the story you pack up you leave New York City, you go to Louisiana. Yeah. And I had a fashion line too with my best friend and I like fully was like,

I can't even do this anymore. Like I like actually I signed, I signed it over to her name and like pretty much just left, like packed up my shit and left and went to the South. And then I was there with like a few of my friends and my friend Richie sent me a camera for Christmas. And then I ended up taking some photos and then an art show was born and then more shows and books and that like art journey kind of happened. And I definitely feel like more glad

that I kind of segued more into art because I feel like I really had to express myself and I wasn't doing it in a really authentic way through fashion because I felt like I was kind of pretending to be someone I wasn't totally did you feel going from such the juxtaposition of New York City to Louisiana and like being a city girl and then going to the South, were you lonely? Like, did you have any romantic relationships? No, I wasn't lonely because I went there with my really good friend Harmony. And then I already knew two people down there, Jack and John, who were in this band Salem. That's really dope. And so I like knew people there. And Jack's actually the reason why I even ever went down there.

And it was like I was such a city girl. Like I really only knew like L.A., New York, Miami, and then like Europe. And you know what I mean? Like I didn't I was so ignorant and I had never been anywhere. I'd never really seen anything. So the first time going to Louisiana, I was like, oh, my God, like real life, real people, like people that like go out at night, not to be like photographed, but like just to hang out with their friends. Like, wow. You know what I mean?

Like, and I was really, really drawn to that. And in that process, I really like, I remember like, I got rid of all my like nice clothes and like, I just really got rid of like all that stuff that I allowed to find me for so many years um you know just always like like on the hunt for like money you know like always money money money like because I didn't grow up with money so I was always like in financial insecurity like you know and I was I just I kind of in that moment let go of all of that part of the art you created in Louisiana was taking photos of people using heroin what inspired you to take those photos you know at the time it didn't really feel like a big deal because heroin had been such a major part of my life um that I just kind of

didn't like now when I see the photo it it like I am more affected by it I'm like oh you know graph it like I don't want to look at it I look away but at the time I was so numb to anything about drugs or guns or anything like that it didn't seem like a big deal were you using heroin at the time on and off yeah when was the first time you tried heroin I think I was like in high school yeah I was in high school because it was before I graduated how did that affect you I was actually I remember this guy Mario sorry shout out Mario but I know he's definitely not that was so long Like, I'm sure he's not doing this anymore, I hope. But he, I met him at a party.

I, like, didn't have a phone. And he gave me, like, two little wax baggies. And then I forgot how he ended up getting in touch with me or, like, I got in touch with him. But it was very much like he knew that I would get in touch with him type of thing. Like he gave it to me because he knew that I'd be calling. And it was like pretty much like that. And I,

and at the time none of my other friends were doing it. Um, so I was like doing it in secret and I would just like put it on like a blunt that I was just going to like smoke to the face or something and like not share. I remember like they'd asked me and I would just be like, no, like, yeah, cause they didn't know know and I was being such a bitch um and then I remember like I I then I was like okay I'm I'm like over it like I'm done now and then I could got sick and I was like damn like I have a cold like I didn't even know like the

withdrawals and the things like I didn't I didn't understand that I was really playing with fire. So it's like a miracle that I don't, I haven't done that in very, very long. And I highly don't recommend it, especially now with the fentanyl and everything in it. It's like my best friend died at the end of 2019 from a fentanyl overdose. And that was like like I had been

sober prior but then like that was like really the like the solid like if I even have a thought it's like very quickly wiped out like I just think of her and it's like over like I'm just I just know in my heart like I'm just never gonna do that again I'm so sorry what was rock bottom moment for you that then there's so many rock bottom. It's like you think one was the rock bottom, but then it's like it gets worse. I would probably have to say like overdosing was probably a rock bottom. Who found you when you overdosed well there's been a few okay but the last one like the like really bad one it was like on my birthday and and it was really sad because like my sister was there

and like she was sober and like the whole party was ruined because I literally like fell over in front of the whole party yeah it was really bad and that was like a very awakening moment and and I really credit her for saving my life because she at 19 years old had the foresight to be like you know what I'm gonna go get sober and like join AA and like really do it and like she's still sober to this day so and if it wasn't from her being sober and then like showing me like like she would drag me to meetings and I would just be like on my phone, like not, you know, like not paying attention. And then one day it took. So that's amazing to have people in your life that are like there for you. It's like,

we're going to keep trying until it's dead. Yeah. That's why like, she's with me today on this journey and, and like that's bam forever you know my god how much are you younger older we're actually like a couple months apart yeah oh she's not like my biological sister yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah she's my friend but she's my sister basically like when and how did you meet the father of your child and how did your relationship evolve I met him at the Carlisle through Zach Bahaj who owned Lucienne and um but I think we had actually met when we were teenagers I'm older than him though he was like 14 and I was maybe like 17 and I remember thinking like oh he's hot but he's really young yeah like I literally remember that happening

and then um and then yeah we met again and it was like love at first sight he had a girlfriend I like tried to hit on him and he said no I have a girlfriend and I liked that that he turned me down and I liked that he was loyal but then they broke up a few months later he called me obviously it rests his history um he actually came to the wrap party of uncut gems so this wasn't even the movie wasn't even out yet comes to the wrap party we were literally together every day after that and then we got married like one theater in vegas yeah with like the elvis presley impersonator and and all of that and it was really really fun until it wasn't right like it was incredible and then it wasn't yeah and then it was a nightmare.

How did your relationship change once you had your son? It had changed prior to that. Yeah. There were issues prior. I think suddenly like all the attention from uncut gems happened and then suddenly guys are in my DMs and I'm traveling a lot and now i'm busier than i used to be and and not as available um and also like just not as patient like i'm tired now i don't want to you know like just be like easy to be around you know what i mean like please and it

just wasn't really working out that way um but he really like he obviously he's not perfect I'm not perfect like obviously we were drawn to each other for a reason um but he's he's actually like one of the most like genuine people I know like like really like what you see is what you get like not like he's I don't I can't really I describe it but it's definitely it's something that a quality that Kanye has as well just being so genuine like almost childlike in a way just like so honest so blunt like and and I'm really drawn to that like I like people that are just transparent yeah within the last few days of 2021 you posted an Instagram story you're like I already know what you're gonna say that read have you seen this is a deadbeat dad don't read it do you care if I read it just anyone that didn't hear it it's fine yeah I I definitely called him a deadbeat dad

well because he had blocked my number for like a month at that point and I was just like fuming and and I didn't know that he had been paying my rent oh how did you not know that girl I just wasn't paying it I was like I was like I'll let it pile up and then I'll just write because it's like why can't they like it just do it electronically it's so much easier it's like watch them mail a check yes they want me to mail a check girl I haven't seen my checkbook since 2008. I don't even have one. I don't even know where it is. Yeah, exactly. Like that's why they're not getting their fucking rent. Anyway. So I was just like, but also the landlord's my friend. Okay. So it's fine. I'm just not getting evicted. Not sure why, but like living for that. Yeah, exactly. Like it's on my

list of priorities. It was like number six. Like I have so many other like things that are like so much more dire to think about. So I was just like, it's fine. So I didn't even know that. So my head I was like, oh, he's like, not helping physically, but he's also not even helping financially. And and that's what set me off. Because if he wasn't helping physically, but then he was sending money, I would have at least been like, okay, he does want to be in his son's life, but he just needs to take a break. And I'm angry about it, but I understand because the breakup was really hard. And we obviously had still a lot of feelings for each other. So I understand him needing that. But obviously, I wish I knew that information because I definitely don't think I would have reacted in that way.

And then did he tell you? No. Thought my landlord did. Yeah. And you're like, no, he actually didn't even text me or call me or like say, take it down or anything. I know. He's a very like noble man.

He was like, I'm just not even going to engage, which kind of made me even more mad. I know. Because honestly, if he had just texted and been like, take it down, I would have been like, I'm just not even going to engage, which kind of made me even more mad. Right. I know because honestly, if he had just texted and been like, take it down, I would have been like, OK. Yeah. Oh, no, I'm sorry. OK, well, so the fallout, you did say you regretted it. I do regret it. I mean, listen, I didn't lie.

Right. You know what I mean? Right. But obviously, I did take things out of context to intentionally make someone look bad. Yes. Totally. I did take things out of context to intentionally make someone look bad. Yes. Totally. I did. Totally.

You know, if we want to paint the full picture, it's like, no, he actually is really great and has these other amazing qualities. But it's like, you know, fuck. I shouldn't have said anything to begin with. Are you on good terms now? Yes. Very, very. And he's been super supportive.

And I've been having to travel a lot. So he's been helping, which is great because they get to make up a lot of time that they haven't spent together in the last two months so yeah so it's actually worked out perfectly you added actress to your resume three years ago when you started uncut gems with Adam Sandler and you played a role that was based on yourself the name was even Julia were the filmmakers your friends like why did they build this character for you yeah the filmmakers were um friends of mine and they'd been working on this um project for many years like I think like 10 years or something before it came out so for like 10 years or something they'd been telling me like this movie this character like and they

asked me for like what would you do if you were in a fight with your boyfriend like how would you get him to like you know what I mean like just asking me that type of shit and then I was like all right like I see what's happening here like I'll you know and then I obviously like got on the phone and we we developed her and her name was actually originally Sadie but Adam Sandler's daughter's name Sadie so so they and they were trying to find a name but like nothing else fit it was like it was just supposed to be Julia yeah what aspect of your personality do you think was best portrayed in the character I think the like humor and the like just like no fucks given type of attitude definitely yeah okay are the rumors

true will you be playing Madonna in her biopic no I wish I'm like Julia can you sing I wish no I can I can definitely like get down with some karaoke and like I have some range but I definitely not Madonna's range um no I actually auditioned to play Debbie Mazar, her BFF, um, who I'm obsessed with and people have been comparing me to her my entire life. Yeah. So, I mean, but you know, she's going to audition a million girls, like, you know, high chance. I probably won't even get it. Like it's just the industry's like that. It's totally, you know, it's nothing personal. Um, whoever, yeah yeah but I gave it my best shot so I love it yeah okay rumor has it you're dating someone new have you guys put a label on it I mean I call

him my boyfriend and he calls me his girlfriend yeah but there was never ever like an official conversation no don't you love when that just happens all the same day you're like I think you're my boyfriend yeah yeah it just it just happened and and um and it felt very just like very organic and like not even like crazy or anything just very natural do you remember the first thing he said to you ever in life yeah sup it's yay I think it was like something like that yeah yeah he like got my number through a mutual friend what was your first impression of him super magnetic like very attractive like like not I don't even mean it like he's attractive physically but I mean also just like like the vibe is very like attractive right you know what I mean like you you at least for me like I felt like I wanted to gravitate toward you know what I mean like it was very like when that happens like

like oh my god you're like that person has some aura yeah they just glow they radiate an energy and he definitely has a very very special unique like one-of-a-kind energy after your first meeting in Miami you have this like whirlwind 24 hour like moment. And then like, how did you guys leave it before you went to New York? Oh my gosh. I was only supposed to go there for the night. And then I was supposed to fly back the next day. We ended up staying like three or four extra days. Um, and it was like, we were on the Kanye workout plan. Like we got to work.

We were like, okay, you know, we're going to do this. Like if I'm going to be seen with you, like I need to, you know, step it up a little bit just because I'm late. Like I'm a little lazy. That's just a thing. It's a fact, you know? Yeah. So I definitely do need to be like nudged a little bit and like

pushed out of my comfort zone. And I love that because I don't think anyone has been able to succeed in that. Cause I'm, I'm stubborn and I'm going to, you know, I'm going to wear the things that I'm comfortable in. And it's like, you know, and I have my insecurities and no one else sees. And like, you know what I mean? When he doesn't see them. So he just like, you know what I mean when he doesn't see them so he just like you know what I mean so it's cool to see myself through his eyes for anyone who lives under a rock or didn't read interview magazine you detailed this like lavish second date in New York City can you indulge us and just kind of like walk us through the night yeah um we went to we went to, we went to see Slave Play and Jeremy O. Harris's play. That was amazing. Then we went to Carbone.

And then after Carbone, we went back to the pantry where his suite was. And I just thought we were going to go and like just hang out, like play Uno or something. He really likes Uno. I just thought we were gonna do that and i walk in and like all the furniture in the hotel room has been like pushed into the bedroom and like there's all these racks like lining all the walls and it was like like a fucking dream and it's also just like the thought behind it and like he had also just landed at like earlier in the evening so it was like how did he even you know what I mean but he makes it happen that's that's and then he did

something for me in LA as well he like turned this big warehouse space into like like a really cool like restaurant kind of vibe yeah for me and my friends and like that was really nice and and Naomi Campbell was there and yeah yeah so like just really iconic moments that he's he does for me have you ever felt in these moments like a little overwhelmed no why do you think I don't know I'm just like grown and like also I I grew up in New York City I grew up around celebrities I'm you, also I, I grew up in New York city. I grew up around celebrities. I'm, you know what I mean? I know how to like, and also I really feel like I've like earned my,

my place to be there. Do you know what I mean? Like, obviously I'm not on their level and I'm not saying I am, but I feel like I've like put in the work and like, I can hang. Yes. I can hang.

Definitely. Everyone's like, Oh, look at her now. Like she's at dinner with Madonna. It's like, well actually I set up that dinner and I invited Kanye. You know I mean oh my god yeah so it's like obviously people it looks a certain way but they people don't know the conversations happening behind the scenes and

like no I've been around I you know what I mean I've absolutely yeah on your podcast you talk about how people were kind of like calling it love bombing almost of how extravagant things have gotten. Why do you not consider it love bombing? Because he doesn't have like like a shady ulterior motive. Right. Which I think is like super crucial in the love bombing element because, you know, in a typical narcissistic, like, relationship in that way, it's like you get love bombed and then you get isolated and then you get, like, you know what I mean? And it's like, no, actually, like, my friends are now with me 24-7

because they're hired. And it's like, do you know what I mean? Like, he's not trying to, like, have me to keep me from, like, lock me. Wait, no. He wants me to be the best version of myself like that is always the conversation always like how am I gonna be live up to my full potential which I think is like amazing so would you because everyone's like would you consider yourself yay's muse um yeah a little maybe what does it even mean to no one that's ever been? Cause I remember you were like, I've, this is not the first time that I, what, what is a muse? I mean, I was Josh Safdie's muse when he wrote Uncut Jazz. Do you know what I mean?

Like things like that. Like, I think people make it seem a little more dramatic than it is. Like, you know what I mean? It's not like Van Gogh, like type of like, he just, he wants to dress me right now like yes I think that's kind of what it is is there anything that you know like you're inspiring him with like you say like yeah I think it's it's very mutual um like I am definitely an ideas person I always have like crazy like out there ideas and so does he and I love telling him my ideas and and like we know we we get excited over each other's like weird they you know it's it's definitely mutual for sure what do you guys

disagree on he that one of the makeup looks he actually went and tried to draw like a sunglass line and I think that was like the only time where I literally was like no this is where I put my foot down oh my god I would be like absolutely fucking not no but then I actually online I like randomly saw an image of that makeup and it didn't it didn't look that bad actually like a full sunglass yeah and I was like you know what I I need to like when he's doing something just let him execute the vision because it might actually be cool because a lot of times I've been like oh my god what is he doing he's doing and then it's fucking awesome I would have never thought of this and that like never happens for me so it's really cool to meet someone that like does

something that I really would have never thought of doing you know what do you say to people who claim this is not a real relationship I mean time will tell you'll see for you yeah see yeah the tabloids and social media are always comparing women i know and you keep getting compared to his ex why do you think they're doing that um well we've worn some of like the similar look. Which I knew at the time of wearing them. I knew that Kim had worn it previously. But I thought it was cool that she had worn it. Right. She's iconic.

Yeah. Like it wasn't even a thing. But it is unfortunate because, you know, women are always just being pitted against each other. And obviously obviously like, you know, there's 10 years of history that they have prior. And like, I,

I'm not gonna, you know, I don't want to ever like step out, step out of line and like speak on something that like, I have no place speaking on. Like when someone was like, Oh, they're both wearing Balenciaga.

I'm like, wait, can we can't all wear that now? If anything, I feel like the conversation should be like, wow, it's amazing to see how heavily influenced Kim was by Kanye. You know what I mean? If anything, I feel like that's kind of what that shows. But obviously people want to run with the more like nastier like narrative and it's so immature I had a fashion line um and and the the Kardashians actually sold it

at their store dash and wore it on magazines and in the show so it's like there's ties I've had my history of fashion as well I didn't just like pop out of nowhere you know what I mean totally celebrities wore all my Nicki Minaj wore my clothes like everyone you know so like yeah how do you describe the style that you're showcasing to the world right now it's I'm giving like dominatrix like couture which I love love which I love and it feels like you know familiar and like a state like I've been there before like I've been there so they look like they've been wearing the same outfits for like four months or whatever and they keep saying you guys, what do you say to that?

I mean, I think about rewearing the same, like I'd rather wear the same outfit a bunch of times than like wear the wrong outfit once. So yes. Also everyone look inward. How many times do you rewear an outfit? Yeah. Like just cause you're getting papped. It's not like you're like, yeah, we're still real people.

Like, yeah. You're like, these are my, I actually just sent out my laundry today for the first time in like a month so congratulations to me do you think Kanye's boots are sexy I love the boots have you ever tried them on no I haven't they're so iconic I know I should try them on actually no they are I love it they look like an action figure or like a video game character or something, which I love that vibe. I know you mentioned like getting jealous and with how much the media is like, he wants her back. Like he was fighting for her. Like how did have you had jealousy moments where you're like, oh, this is icky? No, not really. I mean, I'm sure I'm I'm sure there's still some sort of residual feelings and it's like it's normal.

It's human, you know, but I also like know that he's with me now. So and that's all that matters. Have you guys talked about your future together? Like, yes, it's a there's a lot of like us and we conversations, which is really nice. But no, like I said, everything is very on a whim last minute, like pack up. We're going here now. We're going. You know what I mean?

So I we're not I'm like can't even get past like next week, let alone like just having fun. Yeah, totally. Has he given you any career advice? Definitely. Yeah. Like it's like all he does. Yeah. Totally. Has he given you any career advice? Definitely. Yeah. That's like all he does. Right. Like, do you feel like you're now in a great way, kind of like taking a different trajectory

or you're just like amplifying what you wanted to do? I'm going to amplify what I already wanted to do. I definitely still want to act and I definitely still want to produce and write and direct and do my own projects. And like, that's really where I see myself falling eventually. But right now, I just really want to act. Yeah. Yeah.

With all the media attention around you, what is something you've had to change this year about your life? Nothing really. Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah. Does it give you anxiety when you're photographed no no you're just like fuck yeah no i like i like i was even like took this i take the subway still like what's a misconception about you that i'm a gold digger. Yeah. Because it's like, yes, I have dated rich men, but like they pursued me first. Okay. And secondly, I've also like dated and like been fully madly in love with straight bums where a fully, they were living off of me. Like, you know what I mean? And I was the sugar mama type of situation. So,

you know, it's, it's just, it's really about the person, you know, it's not, I don't, at the end of the day, like no amount of money is going to make me like actually have feelings for someone or actually want to spend time with someone. If I'm spending time with you, it's because I've like genuinely really like you. Totally. You're one of the first people I feel like recently that's like actually getting some like positive media attention from like random comments being like good for her like let her live her life which is exciting I feel like in media to see like a little positive turn yeah fucking shitting on every woman when they start dating a man yeah and it's like so negative I think it's refreshing because it's like it's I feel like such an interesting choice

for him yeah um and an unexpected choice why I don't know like I feel like I would have never expected him to like you yeah although I had actually been asked to do some Yeezy campaigns and shows like a couple times throughout the years and it just never really worked out. Like I wanted to do it, but it was like scheduling conflicts and I just, or I wasn't in town. So like there, you know, and there would have been other opportunities for us to have met, but I really feel like, you know, timing is everything. And it just had to have been now, because if he had met me prior, I would have been with my husband and I'm like super loyal. So there would have been not even, I wouldn't have even looked in his direction, honestly.

What is next for you? Like have your goals shifted? Like what do you want people to think of Julia Box in like five years, 10 years? I really want my work to speak for itself. You'll definitely still be seeing me in my fashion looks. I'm definitely committed to that. But I definitely a lot of movies a lot of

writing um I'm working on a book project right now I'm developing a series and I'm writing a movie which I already like kind of technically sold I'm still whatever it's complicated yeah but so it's kind of it's like I'm already I'm still doing my things that I already had planned pre-planned pre-Kanye yeah pre-A um so no and I just thank you for sitting down with me because it's so nice to hear you like in long form speak like people see things on social media and pictures but when you get to sit down with someone like you're so warm and nice and genuine and normal as crazy as your life is right now and I think people will hear that yeah and that's like really what I want to convey is like I'm just like a normal girl and like I don't um and I yeah I'm just a regular fucking

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