Call Her Daddy - Kid Cudi: The Pursuit Paid Off

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

This week, Alex sits down with Kid Cudi for a raw conversation about the dark side of fame and his path to self-love. He opens up about navigating grief and addiction as his career skyrocketed, and how rehab ultimately helped him survive. He tells the story of meeting his wife and shares the best moments from their wedding, plus what to expect from his upcoming album.This episode includes discussion about addiction, depression, and suicidal ideation. Please keep this in mind when deciding if, how, and when you’ll listen.

What is up, Daddy, Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Kid Cuddy, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you for having me. How are you doing today? I'm fantastic. I feel really good. It's been crazy the past couple months.

I've been filming. I filmed this movie that is really fucking gnarly. And I just rapped last week. and yeah so now I'm like back into work mode on the album and the memoir I was about to say I'm like we now you're throwing another curveball I'm like you're so fucking busy I was like you've had the most insane summer you're going to continue to have an insane summer you got married yes congrats thank you so we have a wedding yeah we have an album and we have a memoir yeah do you sleep like what's going on I do find time to sleep okay people people don't understand when I do but I do right it happens at some point we'll never know yeah what do people close to you call you like are people calling you cuddy are people calling you scott no i introduce myself to people as scott does your wife call you scott we have pet names she never says scott actually give me one pet name yeah it's always babe or busky or something like that booskey oh that's cute okay

what should i call you today you can call me scott scott yeah you know i feel weird introducing myself as Cuddy. Have you thought about would you ever drop the kid? I have thought about that. I have thought about that. Talk to me about it. You know, I was thinking a couple weeks ago, I was talking to my good friend, Jean-Baptiste,

and I was like, man, you know, it would be so cool if I just like started a band. and just did, like, alternative, trippy, psychedelic shit, like, real experimental. And just, like, it was just me and some other dudes in the band. And, you know, I went by Cuddy rather than Kid Cuddy, you know. What if you went full off the reservation and went Scott? Yeah, yeah. You're like, what's up, everyone?

It's Scott! I don't know how cool Scott sounds, you know. It's a little different than Cuddy. Yeah. But, like, you could make it have a ring to it. I agree it's a departure, but maybe one day you'll come out with a band. Yeah. Or maybe I'll go by Scotty or something.

Because I feel like you have to have a little bit of differentiation between your home life and the people that know you and get to call you, Scott. Yes. You have really good fashion. I feel like everyone kind of knows that. Talk to me about your fashion, like how it's kind of evolved. Oh, man. I feel like now, you know, because I say maybe.

last year from 2020 to 2024 I was just really big on like colors and you know um dyeing my hair different colors and stuff like that I'm pretty sure everybody saw that I was dyeing my hair every every two weeks in different colors and and now since I turned 40 I've been like trying to find a balance of just like real casual but like rock star. I see this all. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And then like my shoes are all dirty and like, you know, not so polished.

And I love buying vintage. I don't really go and buy new shit because I hate like wearing something and then seeing another motherfucker in it. And you know, like, with rappers, it's all about, like, who has it first? You know what I mean? So they do these fit picks on their IG, and it's, like, such a thing, you know? And, like, I just, you know, I love, you know, buying vintage because you can kind of be unique. And also, when you're shopping and you're buying vintage, like, it's like, you never know what's going to fit you.

you know and that's how I really get lucky with these other jackets everywhere I go it's like I can find one that's like really good you know and I have a secret spot in Paris that I get all my leather jackets from wow you're gatekeeping over here I'm really I'll tell you off the air okay okay fair I'll tell you off the air come on thank you thank you come on Lola would approve um what is your biggest fashion mistake like what did you use to wear that you're like what the fuck was I doing um I don't think I've had any fashion mistakes I'm pretty like when I see old fitpicks of me and stuff like that I'm kind of like that oh that was a good day you're proud

you know how do you feel about the fedoras would you ever bring it back I might really because that's actually a good that's ooh that's a good idea it might be nice to bring back the fedora you think though it could I could pull it off I could wear anything

that's fair do you think your wife would like the fedora look I think she would be into it okay yeah yeah yeah you know what I mean you're not gonna make it She knows I'm always going to show up and, like, show out. I agree with you. There's some people that can literally put anything on

and they just, like, have the aura that they can pull it off. Some men in a fedora, Scott, it wouldn't attract the ladies. Do you know what I mean? It wouldn't make them feel like, oh, I want to get that. So I agree with you. Like, maybe you can pull it off and maybe you'll bring it back. Yeah, I would do it in a way where, like, even if I had a fedora on with this, outfit. It could work. You know what I mean? With the joint. Yeah. Yeah. It could work. I mean, because this was

my look back in like 2008, 2009. Like I used to wear a fedora all the time. That was like my thing. You're going to bring it back. Um, talk to me about, obviously the internet is absolutely obsessed with you in Timothy Chalme's friendship. They're like obsessed with you guys being friends. It's actually very cute. What is his best quality as a friend to you? You know, the best quality about timmy is that he's super genuine timmy is always timmy with me not the timothy that people know and they see in the movies you know

like when he's with me we'll be sitting sometimes and like he's such a fan that he'll like you remember this and start playing some shit that I released in like 2008 like this is a freestyle you put out and I'll be like damn I haven't heard this in 15 years years and like he's he just supports me and you know acting and music and he's just a good listener

and like i remember one new year's like 2020 he came over my house and and it was just me and him and we just rang in the new year together you know just like it was so it was so dope and like he's just a really good dude you know and i don't have a lot of like people in the business that I'm that close with. You know, I, it's just over the years, I realized that, okay, these are industry friendships and I have real friendships. And, and Timmy is not an industry friendship. Like, we are real friends.

I've been to his childhood crib, like met his dad, you know, like hung out, like saw his old bedroom that he grew up in. You know what I mean? Like, he still had everything in the same place. So many women are like, I'm so fucking jealous of you right now. Scott, God damn it. Oh, that's really cute. Yeah, but he was like, this is why I listen to Man on the Moon 1.

And I sat at this desk and just listen the day and day out. And it was so cool to just kind of see, you know, his world. And but he's just a really good friend. And he's always been there for me. And, you know, I like to send him, I like to send him records before I release them. Right. and like I sent him this one he was in Italy so this is

this is how cool of a friend he is he came to Italy to visit me when I was shooting we are who we are with Luca right and he stayed at the villa I had an extra room so he stayed with me at the villa right and I played him like some songs for my album

Intergalactic like maybe like a year before it came out and I played him willing to trust and he just started bawling like he was like it made him so emotional, you know? And that, and, you know, Timmy always likes my stuff, but there's a range and, like, his reaction. Like, sometimes he'll be vibing and be like, oh, this is dope, this dope. And then sometimes he'll just get the fuck up and just really be going crazy and like, oh, shit, I'm shit, you know what I mean? So this was another one of those moments, Rod. I knew,

and that song is probably the illest song from Intergalactic, you know. Well, it's cool to hear you talking about industry relationships and obviously publicly it could look like an industry friendship and then hearing you say you have a personal relationship that's way beyond just like a industry relationship is cool because I know which I want to get to with your memoir like through your childhood you had a lot of like lonely moments and even hearing you say like you don't have that many friends in the industry I usually think is a big positive sign when I meet someone because I think if you're just like. like kind of hoaring yourself out to everyone and you're like, a man of the people, I feel like it's like, how is that genuine and how do you invest that much time and that many people? Exactly. Back up, why now and why did you want to write this? Man, I feel like I just went through a transformation in my life. And I was at this place where it was like eight years.

I had been kind of on the lighter side of life. And I had learned so much. and I know, you know, the fans really want to know my story. And they know bits and pieces because I've done interviews throughout the years and talked about my past and things like that. But there's so much that is in the book that I'm sure no one knows about. The book is incredible. Thank you.

Super vulnerable. Like, I love how you go all the way back to childhood. you talk a lot about your rise to fame and you talk about some of the absolute darkest moments of your life. I want to get into a lot of it today. Let's go back to the beginning where your book starts. Talk to me about what you were like as a kid in general. Talk to me about what you were like as a kid in general.

Well, before my father died when I was 11, I was a really happy kid. You know, like we didn't have much, but my mom, you know, was a great mom and my dad was great. He was there for me. They divorced when I was three, so I don't really remember, like, even living in the house with him. But he was still active in my life, and I saw him frequently. And, you know, I, I was a happy kid. I was goofy. I was the baby of the family, you know.

And it was like that for a while, but it wasn't until I was 11 when I lost my father where there became a change in me. You know, and, you know, I feel like that pain. that pain that I endured when I was 11, stay with me well into my early 30s, you know. When you talk about your relationship with your dad and that shift at 11, I thought it was interesting in the book how you talk about you, as a child, you like to spend time alone, right? And there was a shift pre his death and post his death of what that alone time felt and meant to Can you talk to me before your father passed about like, what did you like about hanging by yourself and being in your room? Like, what were you doing when you were alone?

I was just dreaming. Dreaming about what I would do in the future, whether it was, because for a while I wanted to be a cartoonist. So thinking about that and, you know, even thinking about being an actor, that was an early dream of mine. In the book, you write a lot about how, like, school kind of force you to come to terms with the way that you were different than some kids. Can you talk about what you meant by that? Man, I felt that, like, around when I turned 15 or 16 when I was in high school, it was kind of like, I lost interest with school altogether. And I started to think or kind of, no, like I had this feeling that I was like, I don't need algebra. Like, I'm going to be a rapper one day.

You know what I mean? Like, what am I doing here? You know what I mean? Just sitting in class, like, this is a waste of time. 16. You know what I mean? And I always felt like I would watch other kids and see them focus on the test and see them studying. and I'll just be like, like, what am I doing here, you know?

And, like, I just, you know, and also I was very, like, I was the class clown. Like, that was, I was goofy as fuck. And that's kind of how I, you know, camouflaged some of the hurt and pain that I had inside me was to kind of be silly, you know, in somewhere. it's interesting because a lot of times on the show I ask people like what is your earliest core memory that you can think of in childhood and you obviously mentioned it and you wrote about it in your memoir of this I've always known it vividly which is so crazy because you were three right yeah so you're three years old you're in this car and you remember like your parents are shouting and they're going to get a divorce yeah three is so young but obviously something in your body like brings you back to that moment and you can remember it and those feelings like can you talk a little bit about when you were writing that like what that brought up for you and why you chose to put that in the book man i felt that it was perfect because it's it was set the tone for the book because maybe some people's first memory is like something pleasant and this was not like though in the

moment I didn't know that they were getting a divorce but I saw my mom and dad like yelling at each other for the first time in my mind that I can remember and like not understanding it but being scared and from there it was like you know kind of I felt like it set the tone for what you were going to read you know what I mean and there was a lot of dysfunction in my family You know, I mean, between my brother's antics and, and, you know, when I lost my dad and just being angry, an angry kid, and my brother getting in trouble and stuff like that, me getting in trouble in school. And I kind of wanted to set the tone with that. And I felt like that the book had to start with my first memory. I thought it was important to just bring people in on that because some people don't need.

I can't even remember their first memory, that young, three years old. How do you think your parents' relationship kind of shaped your early ideas of love? Well, the divorce didn't rock me because I saw my mom and dad still have respect for each other. Which is rare. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, there was a respect there. You know?

like he didn't I never saw other than that first memory I never really saw my dad and my mom get into it after the divorce like there was always a respect like if my dad didn't come come and see us for two weeks my mom would be calling him like yo get up off your fucking couch and come see these kids and he's like all right I'm on my way you know what I mean like you know and they just had a respect for her and it was it was so I always look for that You know, in relationships, and I don't think I always had that. Like, you know, some relationships I did, and there were other problems we had. But that's, like, the core thing that I look for. It's like, man, like, just seeing my mom take care of my dad when he was dying. Like, and my dad had three wives. My mom was the third. You know what I mean?

So, like, nobody else came to take care of him. Nobody checked in. You know, we paid for the funeral. You know, and I just saw, I was like, man, that's what I want. Like, I want a ride or die. You know what I mean? Somebody that's going to take care of me, you know, no matter what, you know. So I always kept that in mind.

And, yeah, I just thought that it was a real powerful thing to see as a kid. Reading that, that was, like, nice to see for you that you had that vision of like, oh, it can be amicable and it can just be family. You don't need to be in love and together, but at least we're all. still writing for each other and showing up for each other. After the divorce, you lived with your mom. Yeah. Your relationship with your mom sounds incredible and lovely.

Can you talk about, though, growing up when you were young what it was like? Yeah. Man, me and my mom were very close. I was like her little partner in crime. Like when she went to go run errands, I was there. So you want to call me to the grocery store? I'm like, yeah, sure. Like just hanging around.

I was that kid. And then when people would come like, oh, my God, how old are you? I would just hide behind her leg, like, no. Why can I, like, literally picture that? Yeah, like, I was super shy and, you know, my mom was like, tell me how what you are. And I'm like, five. You're like, mom, who is that weirdo? Who is this person?

Who is this person? I never wanted to meet strangers. I was always like, who is this? But, no, like, we just, we've always, and my mom lived in L.A. from 2023 to just this weekend she moved back to Cleveland

and it was so sad for me because and I gave her a copy of the memoir and I signed it for her and it was so sad for me like I cried

I haven't like cried like in that way about like that I felt like I really cherished her being in L.A. I spent years like 15 years away from her, her living in Cleveland, me living in L.A., only seeing her on holidays.

And she was out here and I could just drive 30 minutes to see her. And that's something I always wanted was my mom to live in L.A. with me like and kick it. and like I just like not like it was it was brief because then I thought about it I was because I was

it was coming from a place from like this place of saying like I'm going to be alone now but then I realized like I'm married like I have a wife that's going to hold me down you know what I mean this is not like before Scott

like four years ago when you were living in your own like you had no one around, like you have a partner, you know what I mean? So then I was like, oh, that's right. You know, I'm not alone. I'm not, what am I saying, you know? Why is she leaving? She was here because she was dealing with some health issues and I got her the best doctors

in L.A., but her life is in Cleveland. She has all these friends there and she doesn't really know anybody out here. And it was good because, you know, um, We needed to get her to some good doctors, you know what I mean? But we got it all set up in Cleveland now. And, you know, she just wanted to be back home with her friends. And, you know, she's trying to kick it. Right.

You know, I got a life too, Scott. She's like, I got friends. Like, I got a life, a whole life that I don't have anymore. You're like, I'm your life, mom. Yeah, no, I was literally keeping her hostage. Like, I was like, you're not going back. You're staying here with me. But, you know, it was crazy when I was a kid.

I used to come up to my mom when I was like four or five years old. And I say, mom, when I get older, you're going to live with me and my wife. And she would be like, boy, you ain't going to want me to live in the house with you. So right when she moved in, I was like, didn't I tell you, you was going to live with me one day? And she just laughed. I was like, I wasn't playing games. I was dead serious. I kept my word.

Yeah. She's like, shit, okay. She's like, you did say that. I was like, I told you. It's not a game. She's now the one that's like, I'm living. leaving actually. It's not. It's cracked up to me. I'm going to go fuck out of here. Okay, let's circle back to your father. We're going to talk obviously about the moment with his death and how it

impacts you. I know we've kind of touched it, but before we get there, I do want to go back a little bit hearing your relationship with your mother growing up. You talk about your struggles with your relationship growing up with your father in the book. Can you talk about what do you think was preventing you guys from being close? I think it was my age, like, really, like he, because my older siblings kind of got a different side of him that I never got a chance to get because I was just so young, you know? And I think, like, sometimes he would open up to me and give me advice and stuff like that. But, you know, it wasn't like what my older siblings were getting, you know, the information

you know like even my sister maisha like she has so many stories about like her and dad spending time together and like you know she told me this one story about how like they were in the backyard looking at butterflies and like catching butterflies and he told her that like you know if you sing to a butterfly it'll come to you you know something really beautiful like that and I'm just like I don't have those memories with my dad you know what I mean like we just never we never in that way you know i mean i know he loved me you know what i'm saying he was definitely loving and like caring and all that but he was very he was a very serious man and when i think about my dad's life you know he was in war war two in the air force like he saw some shit you know i'm

saying and like he just was just a real serious dude i mean so he had a silly side sometimes But it would be very rare, you know what I mean? When you look back, like, how do you feel the distance that you had from your dad growing up impacted you before his death? Like, whether it was your personality or the way that you would move at home? It fucked me up because I would always hope getting older would bring me closer to my dad. And it got ripped away from me, that possibility. You know what I mean? And like, literally I thought, like, who's going to teach me how to be a man now?

You know? Like, I thought that. Like, at 12th, 13, you know, like, who's going to give me advice on women and, like, you know, things like that, you know? Yeah, that's interesting because it's like you're saying in your core you know a big part of why you couldn't be as close is because of your age. the youngest you're watching your older siblings have these different relationships and in your head as a kid all you obviously want is to be close to your parents and be loved by your parents and so you're like all right my time is coming my time is fucking coming once i hit that age and then your dad passes away when you're 11 how did you even like process that grief when it all happened

Oh, I didn't. I didn't. Opportunity like it didn't happen. Like, it was no time to really, you know, grieve. Because it's four of us, right? And my sister took it the hardest. She was 18 at the time. And, yeah, she took it the hardest.

And... You know, I was that kid, like, hey, I don't want to, I don't want to be an extra burden to anybody. Like, let me just kind of keep to myself and keep on chugging along and, and, you know, not worry my mom. Just be cool. That's what's so weird about family and sibling dynamics is, like, I'm also the youngest. And you kind of, you just have your dynamics where you know like whether if the oldest is more introverted or extrovert or whatever, then the next one applies to like, it acts however works with the one above. And it's all this shit. So hearing you be like, my sister was the most outwardly affected and upset. You obviously kept it inside and pretended like it didn't happen. Obviously that level of grief is still in you. It just wasn't being shown and you didn't know how to process it. Like, can you try to explain how losing your father started to show up a little bit in your life after he'd passed?

Yeah, I feel like it was like an immediate thing. Like, school became really less important. And I was getting in trouble and, you know, stressing my mom out more and acting out because I was just an angry teen, you know. And that was pretty much my whole teens, my whole middle school, high school, you know, I was just not a good student, didn't apply myself.

And I say it was like that, even well into my career, like, once I got successful, I was just, you know, at the core of me, it was just anger, you know? Yeah, because it was, like you said, it was stripped from me. Like, my future of learning all these things and these memories, like I don't have. And so then you kind of like dissociate and you just go about your life. And then it keeps seeping out and you're saying like you were experiencing this anger. I know you write though about obviously like how now you are who you are. There was an outlet and that happened to be writing.

Talk to me about how you started to lean more towards that and put your feelings into your writing. Man, you know, it was like this thing where I didn't have like, Well, I'm not saying I couldn't talk to my mom. I'm pretty sure she, you know, could have said something amazing to get me out of my funk. But I still felt like I needed to have these, like, private, you know, writings to myself with my thoughts. And it was, like, important for me at the time to have something. some type of outlet to express myself and a lot of the times I would just sit there and just write about like the pain I was feeling or like a memory that me and my dad shared the funeral

what it was like what I saw and and that kind of like informed the Kid Cutty stuff too once I got going and writing music like being honest and telling my story and talking about my feelings was like key components to my earlier recordings. I also think what you just said about your mom and you being like, I probably could have gone to her, but I really needed an outlet. Like whether anyone is trying to get into music or not, I think that writing in general your feelings is at first, it can feel foreign to some people because they're like, what the fuck will I write? But when you're going to have a conversation like you're with your mom or a friend or a family member, you're just now trying to basically say something and look for something back that

will make you feel better. When you're pen to paper sitting there alone, you're getting nothing back so you're forced to just like keep going and going and opening up more and more and then you're just realizing how much there is. And it's therapeutic in times it hurts, but it feels like that early kid, Cuddy stage, like you said, there was a lot of anger. And it makes sense why the writing could be therapeutic to you because at least you were putting it somewhere.

Yeah. Right? There was some release. Yeah. You drop out of college and you decide to pursue music full time. Yeah. How did you decide that was the right decision? And how did your mom feel?

My mom was... I mean, I tried. I wasn't really in it. You know, I hated the classes. Like, my grades there were terrible. My only class that I got good grades in was English. There you go. See, Scott.

Like, English, I was on fire. Yeah, you were. You know what I'm saying? When it came time to write an essay, I was like, what is about? How many pages? 10, 20? I got you. Like, I was the best essay writer.

Like, my pen game was strong. Of course. But, yeah, she, you know, understood it, you know, and I was passionate about music. And she had no choice but to support me, you know. She had to, what's she going to do? Like, leave me out there on my own in New York. You know what I mean? She had to, like, you know, honor me and let me go out and pursue my dreams.

Was there ever a point that you considered early days giving up? No. I was crazy. I was out of my mind. There was no, there was no, there was no glimmer or hope. There was nothing in the distance that would make me feel like this was going to happen. But I knew. Like I was just like, this, this is.

I dream it and I can see it crystal clear in my mind. Like, I can see it. I can touch it. It's right there in front of me. I got to get there. And before I left Cleveland, I had this moment where I was spoken to cigarette. And I sat on my Honda, right?

And... I looked up at the sky and I was like, God, I know that this is the right thing to do, me moving to New York. I'm going to do everything I can to get where I want to go. I just need you to meet me halfway. Like, if I'm doing the right thing, just give me a sign. And I looked up with the clouds, of course, I didn't see anything. But I just, like, left, finished my cigarette, went back in the house.

And I was just like, I had armor. You know what I mean? I had like armor on my back. I was like, oh, he got me. You know, he's going to hold me down, you know. And then day and night. Yeah. Absolutely changed your life.

Yeah. Yeah. Tell me about how you wrote that song and how it came to you. because it is kind of like you looked up at the sky and maybe there wasn't a sign then but you kind of write about it in your memoir like it eventually happened yeah like so the melody just came to me one day just fucking around uh me and uh my cousin ritchie uh my family out in uh brooklyn in new york um we would always joke around and make songs silly songs and and shit like that.

And I had essentially the day of night melody as like a silly song that we would do and sing together. Like what were you singing? Like we were singing like the day and night melodies, but like, you know, it didn't have lyrics or anything. It was just like, mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm. And I was just like it, right? So I had this melody like in my head for months,

for months and I finally get in the studio with Dot and I'm like bro I got this joint I really think it's fire I think I need you to just make this beat I'm gonna give you the melody and we're gonna put it together and like we cooked it it took about two days and it was just magic it was the because the melody just came to me out of nowhere the universe just downloaded this melody into my head and like I don't know where it came from but it just stuck in my head and it never happens to me it's not like I get melodies and they stay with me for months you know but it never happens I always forget it like minutes later I'm like fuck what was that melody if I don't put it in my phone it's gone you know so like for some reason I don't know if this is before the drugs got me I think this is before the drugs got me, so my mind was a little bit stronger. But stay away from cocaine.

But, but... Kids? You're watching? Shit. And there it was. Yeah. Did you realize immediately once it was live that your life was about to change forever? Oh, yeah.

I knew. Like, I knew it. But I've been crazy this whole time. I've been crazy for a while now at this point So it's like I had nothing to lose I had shit to lose I don't even think at that point I had a job like I didn't have nothing to lose I was out there in New York

I had a place to stay that was That's the one thing people are worried about You know where they're gonna fucking stay I had a place to stay I had a collaborator I was I was building a rapport with That we had crazy chemistry Like I had nothing to lose

I believed in that Like he believed in me and it was it was pure magic it was pure magic like how i found dot how we became like i worked at amber crabby and fish i met rilawan in the stock room when we were folding clothes freestyle together he said yo i got a producer you should meet it's my dude dot he's real fucking dope met up with dot got in the studio with him cooked three records in one night and i was like oh this dude is like he ill and plus dot is like classically trained like crazy pianist you know what I mean like um and uh yeah it was just that's something that's the angels

brought us together man when you even explain that story like I can see you physically lighting up because obviously that time in your life was probably feels world away and also like it was yesterday maybe but what does it make you feel for like young scott working at abercrombie i love how like it was so random abercrombie love that shout out abercrombie it all went down the fucking soundtrack in the store was this intense it was this one song that they did i used to cover every time it came on i ran out to the floor to listen to it it was this one remix of uh if you're going to san francisco like it came on and I'll just be out there like, oh, eh, jamming every time.

It was me and a couple other people we really like the song, too. They're like, Scott, back to the desk. What the fuck are you doing? They'd be pissed me coming out on the floor and I'm not bringing out clothes. But, no, like, just how that happened, you know, like me just getting, and I was so happy about getting the Abercrombie job because I was like, ooh, I can, there's so many young people there, I can meet people my age, make friends. I didn't really have any friends at this time.

But that was something that I thought was really interesting. You wrote about how this happens, but then you're still going to that job. And I remember one of the lines you write, you're like, I'm standing there. People are like, oh, my God, Cuddy, like, your music is fucking awesome. I'll take a size medium. And you were like, I need to get the fuck out of here. Like, how did it feel when you started having your first fan interactions? Like, were you cool with it?

Was it starting to feel a little uncomfortable immediately? Yeah, it was uncomfortable immediately. Why do you think that is? Because, I don't think, in my mind, I was ready for that energy. like I was not prepared and I don't think there's anything that anyone could have told me to prepare me

but I was not prepared for it I wasn't at the time built for it and it threw me off because he's been what 24 years of your life just being a dude you know and then all of a sudden you are the fucking man and then you know you can tell when people when you meet people and they have interest in you only because of who you are and they don't know who you are and you can see

just looking in their face looking in their eyes you can tell when someone's being genuine and there's always not you know it's always someone putting on a a fucking role you know what I mean and it was it was very uh yeah it fucked me up man and that's what drove me to

to using hardcore drugs like cocaine you know um I really uh just needed something to uh

calm my nerves when I went out or you know just do certain things that like even just really was leaving the house because if I didn't do cocaine I'd be in the house all day long but like if I did coke then I was like oh shit now it's time to hit the streets and had energy and it was

if I met fans I'd be different because I like I'm just on the shit so I'm just like hey what's up man what's up I want to talk to everybody you know I want to get to that but I just had a thought when you were saying you know you weren't prepared for this and I agree like I don't know if anyone is but I want your opinion on like in your personal life I know I wrote down you had written Becoming Kid Cuddy was supposed to overhaul the entire world Scott had known and then you get

to fame and you're like what the fuck is this shit you mentioned the relationships in your life you starting to have to be like are you here for the right reasons are you here for the right? Can you recall like any specific moment in your life where you remember being like oh fuck like I'm completely whether it's being used or this is a fake

relationship that I just didn't see and they're in it because I'm famous um there were definitely moments with like women you know uh you know trying to uh navigate you know just being single in new york and successful is man it's hard you know and It was just, it was fucking, like, hard. And a lot of people that I was kicking it with, I usually party with. We just get fucked up, you know? So it wasn't like anything good.

It was all just rock and roll and madness. And, you know, it's just started to eat away at me. like after a while you know i just it's like this is not serving me it's not making me happy you know you wrote about a few of your relationships in the book one of them being cassie obviously that is always going to be a big conversation right online um and you were with her obviously during a very dark time of what she was going through with ditty during that time your house was broken into, your car was lit on fire, what do you just like overall remember about that time

and that relationship in your life? You wrote about a few of, you know, a few of your relationships in the book, one of them being Cassie, obviously that is always going to be a big conversation online. And you were with her obviously during a very dark time of what she was going through with Diddy. During that time, your house was broken into, your car was lit on fire. What do you just like overall remember about that time and that relationship in your life? Yeah. it was it was crazy man like you know man man man in the moment it was just crazy like

I have I had a hard time understanding if it was It was reality. Like, I was like, am I in the movie? What the fuck is going on? And like, it's so great. You have to, you read the book, right? Yes. I want you to listen to the memoir.

I scored the memoir. I was just in the studio last night. I finished it up, right? So, like, I score a lot of different bits in the book. And in this moment, I scored a lot of different beats. And it brings it to life. Um, but it was, it was, you know, just chaotic and, and intense. Um, and, you know, I, I, I, I wasn't like, like, I was already out of my mind dealing with my own personal shit.

So, um, I was really just like, fuck it, you know, like, I was, I just willing to walk into the fire and, and so it's just, it was, I always thought about it before all this stuff happened and it came, came out again, um, I just, um, I just, I just, it was just, I always thought about it before all this stuff happened and it came, um, I just, I just over the years, I just thought about it as, like, just some wild shit that happened in my, in my rock and roll life, you know what I'm saying? Like, just, I just, you know, it's just some crazy shit that happened, you know? You testified in court. Yeah. How did you feel going into that situation? Oh, man.

I felt I was calm you know I was just I was there because I had to be like I first they asked I said no they asked again I said no then I got some peanut

and I was like fuck shit no Then I'm thinking about like, what do I wear, man? Do I have to be like fucking suit or something? I was like, man, fuck this shit. I'm wearing, this is what I'm wearing today. I'm going to the fucking shit in this.

I don't go. I'm not dressed enough of this shit. Like, wearing some hard bottoms to shit. I'm wearing some fucking solomons. And I'm coming in there with my Levi's and my leather jacket and that's it, you know? But I hate it every minute of it. Like, I did not want to do it. But then I thought about, you know, when I was up there, you know, I'm here to support Cassie.

And, you know, Cassie is my friend, you know, and I love her and I want to see her do well. When I saw her get married, I was so happy for her, you know, that she found someone, her person. And when I saw that she was having kids, I was like, oh, this is so awesome. You know what I mean? Like, I've always just wanted to see her, you know, thrive and do well and be happy, you know, because I know she was living a nightmare. And I just was there to support her. That's what I, that's what kind of gave me peace with it when I sat down in that chair.

It was just about damn I don't want to do this to being like, oh, man, I got to like, whole home girl down and like you know look out for her you know no that's beautiful looking back obviously not at um everything that was down in court when you actually were like living all of this as we described where you were like it felt literally like otherworldly i'm like is this my life right now how did that experience affect the way that you felt about people in this industry and just like what you had gotten yourself into in your career Oh, man, I already had a, like, I was already standoffish from the industry, so it just made me even more. Freaked out.

Yeah, I was like, man, this shit is crazy, you know. So I was already kind of sheltered in my own little space with my small group of friends, but this is like, and that's kind of like the thing about L.A. It's like, if you see me somewhere, it's like they're seeing, like, a monk that they haven't seen in, like, like a hundred years. Are they here? He don't be nowhere. Like, you don't see me. I'm not out in these streets.

You just don't go out. I don't go out. You don't leave your house. Like, well, I don't now and I didn't in my 30s, really. Okay, so you just were like keeping to yourself for a while. Yeah. That's why I want to go to. I know you wrote in the book and you mentioned a couple times, but let's get more into it.

You say that grappling with fame, essentially. is what kind of pushed you towards drugs. Yeah. What do you remember feeling the first time that you tried cocaine? 100% happiness. It was like, the feeling I got was nothing I had ever felt before.

It was fucking magical. And, but I will say this, that's the only time it felt like that. All the other times after, I was just chasing that first high. And it was never getting there. It never felt like that first time ever again. Like. It's good to clarify. Yeah.

So I just want to, I know kids might be. watching this podcast, you know what I don't want to be like saying like no no no I think it's part of your story and I know we're getting to like obviously that was a huge part of we'll get to rehab and recovery but still like there was a part of your life where you were at a place where you were relying on drugs and that's your story and that's but you're also here today to tell the story and I think there's a lot of people that don't have the courage to even say these type of things out loud and like own that. And I think this another reason why again, you are so successful is because you're connecting with people on real shit. There's probably also a lot of

fucking people listening and watching today that have an addiction. So hearing you acknowledge that, like I think it's, thank you, honestly. So you talk about how you only would do Coke alone. Yeah. Why was that? I think I just, it was just supposed to be my little secret. Like I didn't want it to be like a unknown thing that like I did Calgary industry that would have spread fast you know so I just like kind of kept it to myself that doesn't mean like people couldn't tell I was on it you know what I mean like people could probably figure it out you know you write about how your album speeding bullet to heaven it was written essentially during one of the darkest times

of your life yeah can you talk to me about where you were at mentally while writing that album. Oh, I wanted to die for sure. Yeah. I was like, fuck it. I'm just going to play the guitar and shred and I don't go fuck if people like it or not. This is what I, this is how I feel. I just feel angry as fuck. And I just wanted an excuse to like scream on records, you know, and express that that anger you said essentially that you wanted that album to be your goodbye yeah like you were planning on taking your life and you either wanted to do it during or after it released or you weren't sure but like that was going to be your goodbye yeah did anyone close to you in your life know that you were struggling that bad um I don't think so I kept it because when I was around my

friends I was happy to not be alone so I was like back to You know what I mean? I could keep it to myself, you know. I never wanted to worry my friends. There's some people that deal with these things and they like to like put it on other people and shit. I never wanted that to be. I don't want people to be, oh, man, Scott calling me again. You know what I mean?

Like I was like, look, I'm going to just deal with my shit by myself. Like, I'll be cool. I can maintain, I got a daughter, I want to be here for her, you know what I mean, like just all the thoughts that I need to think to keep me from going down that dark path. What was your rock bottom moment? Man, I think it was, it was during that time, uh, 2016 was bad too. That's when I finally went to rehab. because I relapsed and started using the game. I would say from 2015 to 2016, it was like the decline

getting just darker and darker and darker. And suicide was on my mind all the time. Like, I would daydream about the shit, you know? and I just when I finally when I relapsed and I was like kind of faced with this reality like damn like it's been six years since I've used this shit

and I thought I was past that and I'm obviously not like that was fucking fucking me up you know it was just kind of like man I don't want to go in circles like I'm supposed to like be off this shit I'm getting older

I'm in my 30s like people don't want to keep seeing you be a fuck up you got to get your life together bro you're not in your 20s no more you're not just out here you know what I mean so it was kind of like

this reality check I needed and I wouldn't get help you know I'm glad I did at the time at that time because you know something would have happened for sure you know I mean and ever since then like I haven't been like yeah I'll get down about some things but then I get over it before she would hit me for like weeks something bad happens

I'm like in the house for weeks. It's like miserable. But, you know, ever since 2016, I've been like a thousand times better. Like, it's so funny because, like, Lola, we were hanging out one time. It was like maybe two years ago. And she, we were talking about. 2010 for me and what I was going through and all this shit. And I told her I got arrested, you know,

and they found drugs on me. And she was like, what? And I was like, all right, let me find an article and let you read this shit. So she's reading it. And she starts laughing. She's like, I don't know who this person is she's like all i know is the sweet scott that i've known for like years now like i don't know this

this is so funny to me but i'm not even concerned because i know you're past this point in your life i know that enough to know that you know and like she just looks at it like it's a silly thing you know it's and it made me kind of in that moment i found peace with it because i always just kind of uh you know bummed out about that you know i thought that you know it was like a dent in my armor a little bit um but that made me feel okay about it i was like damn my my girl's not even like judging me she's like laughing like what the fuck like this is fucking crazy like you know that's really interesting though to like think about that the you had understandable you lived it that was you yeah i mean reading in the book and everyone please go read

it but there's like that really hard moment where you were like i literally took so much cook that i'm like laying on the floor and then like i wake up and i'm like it's a complete different day and you were like i'm on my back and i'm like i think this is it like i'm like i think this is it like I think, and thinking about that version, thinking about that article version, all of this. And then your wife now is like, you're not that person though anymore. Sometimes it does take someone to pull you out of, because we've lived it and it's still a part of you, but it's not you anymore. Yeah. And that's really beautiful that she was able to just be like, I got you.

I got you. Okay. That's not you anymore. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, oh, shit, I guess it's not. Yeah, exactly. But can you talk about rehab? Because I do think it's really interesting, the way that you write about this moment, specifically about how it also kind of forced you going to rehab to process a lot of the trauma, right? Like, you had not even thought about how to process your father. And now you're in rehab and you're starting to talk about your mental health for the first time. Like, can you share a little bit about what that was like for you?

man it was it was freeing for me um there was a lot of things that you know i hadn't talked about ever you know and it was very frustrating at first you know i was just having some stranger asked you really personal questions about your life and in in rehab the therapy is like you know some of the sessions can be kind of heavy you know um just to the approach that the therapist may take but there's other therapists in there that are super cool um but uh yeah it was it was it was difficult at first but then it got easier the more i felt comfortable with the people um allow me to open up about things that that i was hurt about um from long ago as a kid that I didn't know really affected me and it was a beautiful thing because

by the time I was I was in there for a month by the time I left you know I was feeling a whole lot better you know as you know I had a stroke so I was coming out of that it was maybe like two weeks and I was still you know I had uh you know slow speech and and you know I was doing kind of therapy every week with this lady that kind of play these little games and like would they like show you a picture

of a dog or a cat or something and you have to like say dog and like I would just look at the picture of a dog and be like I can't I couldn't fucking say it you know that was scary man I was like man I don't know I was like dear God I was like please let me bounce back from this

that was super scary but I all through out that even though I was dealing with the the stroke stuff you know um I was still very much happy like I was on I was in the light you know and I just felt brand new all of a sudden I just felt brand new it was crazy you mentioned um you talked through a lot of things eventually as you started to feel comfortable in rehab, that you were like, okay, I had kind of been carrying this that I didn't realize I was carrying it. Like, do you have anything you could share that was something you were able to kind of let go of that you realized had been really weighing you down for so fucking long?

Yeah, I think it was really truly my anger. I was a hothead for a long time, a long time. And that was my main issue. and but it was being mad at ex-girlfriends or mad at my mom about something or you know just angry at life itself like I was able to kind of overcome that you know and it was like for me that was like for me that was what was secretly like weighing me down holding me back because I'm like in my core what I realize is that like no I'm it's like Scott you're a good dude you're this you know some shitty people and you're not a shitty person you know so it was like I had that you know and I like at times you would see this good dude like if you if me and you met when I was 28 you would have not know the difference I mean

I would have been high as a kite, but, you know, I still would have been chill and, like, you know what I mean? But, like, you wouldn't have walked away from the conversation, like, worried about me. You know what I mean? But, like, yeah, it's all different, you know. Do you have any, from your experience, any words of advice to anyone listening who maybe is actually currently right now going through their rock. bottom moment.

Man, I had a conversation with a good friend of mine, Omar, a month ago. And he was telling me, he was like, man, when you in your darkest moment, and you, like, why God is doing this like think that like maybe he's like teach you a lesson you might not get it yet

but there's a lesson here he's trying to help you grow or something understand something like there's a message this is not just happening for no reason you know and I think that that was one of the things learning that

like hearing him say that because i was dealing with some stressful shit and when he did that i started to be like oh that's right because i need to do this better and like get off that shit and oh fuck oh damn okay i get it you know so i feel like in life when you're dealing with something just always take a step back always take a step back and and think about the bigger picture there's a lesson here you know and all these lessons all the things you learn will mold you into the human you're going to be in the future if you're young you know I mean in your teens early 20s like just keep this in mind like you know um everything happens on purpose you know I mean like it's it's it's meant to go that that

way you know i mean it's all part of the design you know and i think when you have that perspective like you're saying like fuck this is happening for a reason it also then inherently gives someone hope if they have that perspective yeah like someone in that situation right now listening to is like oh there's if he's up there and he's doing this for a reason i'm learning and there's a lesson in this like it gives you hope that there's a like another chapter coming. Exactly. You got to just push through the discomfort and the pain and not saying it's fucking

easy, but it gives you something to look forward to. There is then a light that you can like focus on and be like, okay, I fucking got this. Yeah. You write about how you saw this shift in your life after learning to love yourself, which sounds maybe simple to people, but I think there's a lot of people who don't and it's actually a lot harder than it is to, like, like yourself and then to love yourself is another fucking step. Yeah.

What did self acceptance change for you? What did self acceptance change for you? man, I think I was able to be nicer to myself. Like, that was one thing. It was just like, Scott, you're doing all right. Like, look at what you've accomplished. Even when you was dealing with shit. Like, when you were your most depressed,

you still made art. You know what I mean? And it's helping people. You know what I mean? Like, you're okay. Like, you're all good. And this is before Lola, I was thinking this way. So I was alone, didn't really have nothing going on.

I was on and off again with this one girl, but I knew that shit wasn't going to work out. And, you know, but it was different. Like, I was, like, I was in love with myself for the first time of my life, you know. Let's talk about your wife. Yeah. You need to tell me the story of how you guys met. Okay, so I walked in Virgil Abelow's first Louis Vuitton show in Paris. And we met while I was doing a fitting.

And she took pictures of me for the board. And, you know, I'm just sitting there and I'm just looking at this. I'm standing there. And I'm looking at this girl. And I'm like, yo, who is this little cutie? like with these glasses like she's so cute and she takes my picture she's like okay thank you I'm like okay about her business I like that not tripping on me cool cool man if I see her again I'm going to ask for her number you know what I mean and literally right after the show

all I could think about was meeting the girl with the glasses like I was just running around like that was like the only thing on my mind and I saw her she was like standing right there talking to one of her home girls

and I went up I didn't even introduce myself I didn't even ask her name I just was like because I had to leave I had to get changed and shit and I don't know if I changed

or if I was still in the outfit from the show but I was rushing to get to my crew so we could leave and I just came up on her and I was like hey excuse me can I ask you a question she's like yeah I was like do you have a boyfriend Scott I was going to cut straight to the chase because I don't want to waste my time man I was like I don't want to get my hopes up you know

like being thirsty about this girl she got a man you know what I mean so I just wanted to get straight to the point she said no I was like in my head I was like perfect and I was just like could I have your number and she was like yeah And she gave me your number, put her name in the phone as Lola, because I didn't even ask her fucking name. Oh, my God. It was such a goof. And we hung out that night at the after party. And it's so funny because I had on this Tom Foursuit, this three piece of Tom Horsuit.

And it was, it was, I was too clean. I was too clean. And she always said, she was like, you tricked me. I was like, what did you mean? She was like, first time we hung out, you was in this fly-ass suit. I ain't see you in the suit since. I was like, fuck, you're right. Really, goddammit.

She thought she was getting one thing, you know, in my fucking Solomon and my ripped jeans, God damn. And I'm sorry, I love you, babe. I know, I know. So real. I told I'm going to get back to the suits, though. I'm trying to get there. I got this thing with YSL going.

So, like, you know, I'm trying to get back to my suits. Yeah, you're coming back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, wait. So did you guys hit it off immediately, though? Or was it a slow burn? Like, did you guys start dating? No, no, no.

We were friends for a couple years, a few years. Yeah. And, you know, she always told me, she was like, when we first started talking, I always, me and my friends were just like, what does he want from you? Wait, I'm upset. That's so girls being like, what the fuck does he want? Like, what's his agenda? She said I would text and be like, and she would be like, Scotty just text me.

And it was like, what is he what? What? What the fuck? Like, people would not understand it. And like, I was like, babe, like, let me tell you something. I really liked you. Like, I was, like, biving with you. Like, I fucked with you.

Your energy. You know what I mean? And I'm, I'm real. You know what I'm saying? And like, so that's one of the reasons why, like, I would hit her up because I wanted her to let her know, like, hey, like, I'm going to keep in touch. Like, I'll fuck with you, like, you know what I mean? Like, and she would always respond back and we would talk and it was just like really organic.

So by the time we ended up dating, it was easy because we already knew each other. And it was just we were hanging out more days at a time now. before it was like two days here when I was in town or shit like that but now we're like or really kicking it we're in Tokyo, spent a new year's like hanging out for two weeks and and you know it was it was great it was it kind of build build really easy and that's kind of one of the things that I loved about it because I don't think you know I've connected with someone so easy before in like in this way you know and you know it wasn't until she made a few trips to to L.A. where I was kind of like just seeing it like the full picture. She's in my house like

I see it all right and then I just asked her I was like hey Was you ever think about moving to L.A.? And she was like, yeah, I can do that. And I was like, shut the fuck up. I was like, are you serious? And she was like, yeah, I can do that, why not? And I was like, oh, it's on now. And as soon as she said that, I was like making plans to get the ring.

I was doing all the things. Like, I was like, yeah, I was like on it. I was on it. Wait, how did you propose? So we took a trip to Kyoto because she loved. I was there. I've never been. And she hadn't been there in a while. So I was like, oh, let's go to Kyoto. And I planned this thing where we went to go on this tour of temples. And one of the temples, I had shut down where there was nobody there. And like...

My God. That's good. That's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, it's funny, because I've talked to her about this afterwards, like, if she knew that I was going to propose or like, did she see things that were weird? And she was like, well, well there was one thing there were two things first your security follows us everywhere and they stopped and they didn't follow us in and i thought that was weird and then she said like you're like fucking damn it and then she said that like because i had two like lanterns up with our names in english and then japanese underneath right so one said scott one said lolo right and she was like what the fuck like like why does he have our names up on the fucking what is he

doing right so she was like kind of like not she did not know the proposal was coming but she was kind of thrown off like thinking it was weird that I had these things planned you're like little lot's part of the plan sweetie shut up for a second but get there it was so funny man because, you know, the proposal went great and everything was magical, but I didn't, like, I had my photographer and my videographer fly out there to capture the footage, but they were like, didn't know when to come out, we didn't plan it, and like, they fucking came out. They were taking pictures, but I was, like, behind a big bush. So all you see is, like, my knee bent down.

You don't see the proposal at all. and like so we came out and they came on afterwards like hey and it was kind of cool because I felt like if they came out before I proposed Lola would have been like why are their cameras here what why is like you know Brett here right what the fuck are you doing here then you're like oh you're proposing right right it almost worked out better so it worked out better and then so the pictures we have are just us kind of standing on because we were in like this garden this really beautiful garden and um uh in this temple and so we got pictures just like hugging and stuff i'm obsessed that he took a picture and you can see your fucking kneecap

you're like thanks brett you're fucking fire yeah i was like oh man i was like come on bro okay but your wedding photos they came out dope right so fucking good oh thank you you were in a suit yeah okay yeah yeah lola see he's got making a comeback Yeah, Lola, I've tried for the wedding. I was thinking about pajamas, but I did the suit. I didn't want to embarrass you. Bare minimum, put on a suit for your fucking wedding. What was your favorite moment, if you had to say?

I know there's probably so many. My favorite moment was seeing her walking down. Like, that fucked me up. I was crying before she even got to the little altar part. you know i was like i was like fuck this my wife i was just so i was so geeked i was like man and just seeing and seeing her walk and she looks so beautiful you know that's the first time you see the dress and like you know she kept saying like i hope you like it i hope you like it and like lola has amazing taste man so i was never i was never worried and and um the person

new made her dress alon paul he's a genius an amazing designer so um you know i i trusted them i knew i knew i was going to love it but seeing it was just uh it was beautiful i was oh man it was such a fucking moment and we filmed everything so i can't we're waiting to see like the footage from because the dude is editing it up and stuff but uh i can't wait to see just that moment again because my face like I literally went like I couldn't do it

I was like you're gonna ball when you watch it again I already know like you're gonna be so much I'm prepared I was trying to I was trying to keep it together but then it was just like

man oh shit man you know it just happened I was trying to hold back but then because I know she was gonna cry And I didn't want us to both be up there, like, hysterical, so. No, Scott, the worst would be if you're, like, stone cold face, like, sup, come on down.

Hurry up. Yeah, let's go. No, I mean, you see the fucking movies when everyone, like, turns to look at, like, what the guy's face is. And, like, I literally said to my husband, I was like, if you don't fucking cry, then I don't want to marry you. What the fuck? And thank God he was sobbing, too.

Like, I would be a little scared if it was just like, you're like, you're like, fuck is that? Hurry up. No, no. Okay, wait, did you guys write your own vows? Yeah. And we wrote, and we literally pinned the paper, wrote them down, and I told her, forgive me, because my handwriting is just all over the place.

But I was, like, really, like, being patient with every letter and, like, you know, to make sure she could read it, you know? But, yeah, it was great. It was great. And we saved them, too, so we're going to frame them. Oh, it's amazing. How has Lola ultimately made you a better man? Oh, man. I thought I was happy before, but she just put a little extra sauce on it.

You know, I feel totally complete in that piece, you know? Because before her, there was something missing. You know, it was always something missing. I felt I was happy, right? We talked about that journey from rehab and whatever. So I was happy, but I always felt that something was missing. and I've always been like it's always been my dream to like be married and have more kids and like build a little posse of children and like you know and to have someone that you know

wants that and respects you and you know uplifts you in your darkest moments when you're not feeling confident about work or whatever it may be like that's there for you and is a real best friend, you know? It's beautiful, because I was going to say, I feel like, you know, throughout your life, you've been on this pursuit of happiness, no pun intended. And you think you found it. Oh, yeah, definitely, definitely.

We have to talk about your album, free. What is the inspiration behind it? Man, I think it's really just kind of like, bringing people into like, you know, where I am now, this place and time, the joy I feel, but also talking about, you know, reflecting on past struggles and how I overcame them, you know. And you get that, you get kind of both sides of the album with these first two singles. You get kind of a love song with Neverland and you get this kind of like anthem to overcoming your show. shit engrave you know and that's kind of like the two it kind of bounces in between those

vibes on the album yeah what is your wife's favorite song brave yeah it was her idea to drop it as a second single i mean this this whole album is like she was the she lola was the main inspiration behind this album you know i mean like she the first round of songs were all love songs you know i mean like different love songs to her i mean i'm gonna just sob listening to this album whole time it's definitely it's it's it's cute because it's like it's these true feelings that i have for this woman like and i'm singing them to her you know and even at the wedding i i performed neverland and grave and i was singing it to her and she was just watching me and just like so happy and Like, it's, it's great, man.

Like, I'm, you know, having her throughout this whole process was great, you know. And she would come to the studio, too. You need to tell me. What? What is your favorite song on the album and it can't be the two? No, no, no, no, no. My favorite song in the album, I got two. Can I say two?

You can say two. there's this song called Opiate that I really love and then salt water which is the final song in the album

and there's more but I just want to say opiate for sure because it's so fucking groovy and like um Yeah, people are going to love it.

I'm really excited. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of bops on there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because it's pop, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Which is exciting for you, right? It's like a little different. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing that people will notice. It's like, it is different. It's a whole new thing. But it still feels like Cuddy.

Yeah. I'm so happy I got to know you today. I, you never know what you're like, I'm sure you didn't know what you were going to expect sitting down with me. Right, right? You walked in, you literally looked at me, you're like, I don't know, I'm nervous. I was no reason. But like, how do you feel? Like, I think we had a great conversation. I thought that was lovely. Yeah, it was fantastic. I feel great. Again, like I said earlier, getting to know an artist, we know so much about you through your music, but to hear you talk more in depth about your life story and what's made you you you and what's made you Scott. Kid Cuddy is fucking awesome. But the layers that you've allowed us all to see, I think has only made me personally a bigger fan because I've been a fan for a while, but now knowing even more about you,

I'm like, fuck, you've been through so much. And I know everything you put into your music now, it's just that much more relatable. It has that much more soul and passion. And I just, I'm really excited for you in this next chapter of your life because you're fucking crushing. And thank you for coming on Call Our Daddy.

It was truly a pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. We did it. And I gotta come back. Dude, and I didn't ask you any inappropriate sex questions. Did anyone prep you for that? You were fine. I was a little nervous about that.

I was a little nervous. I know you get a little... I'll say it. Done. Let's fucking leave.