Call Her Daddy - Kim Petras: The Throat Goat (FBF)

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

Kim Petras joins Call Her Daddy for a completely unfiltered interview. Kim speaks about her career's evolution, starting from her wild days in the gay clubs to her recent Grammy win. She reflects on how music became an outlet for her and shares her experiences navigating her identity as a transgender artist. Kim opens up about her dating life and the two burst into laughter when they realize they have the same celebrity crush. They don’t hold back at all and discuss butt dialing your parents during sex, throwing up while giving head, hooking up on the first date and car sex. Finally Kim shares how she has earned the title of throat goat. Get tickets for Kim’s Feed The Beast World Tour at www.kimpetras.com

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Kim Petras, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Yay, hi, thanks for having me. I am so happy you came in your sparkle clogs. Hell yeah. You showed up. Had to bust them out. How did you pick your outfit today?

Um, just kind of, I went off the clogs. They really dictated everything else. I don't know, just kind of felt like witchy. I've been in my witchy vibe. You need to confirm for everyone though, are they comfortable? Um, yeah, they're comfortable. Like I would say like, like pool slide vibes. Pool slide. Just a little heavier. But you're not going to like run in those. No. Even though I probably could and should. I just have to say I'm so happy for you.

You are everywhere right now in the best way. Your music, your personality, like everything you're doing is just fucking incredible and I'm so excited for you. You won a Grammy. Hi. Like no big fucking deal. How did it feel to win a Grammy and how did you celebrate? It felt insane, it felt like something

that just shouldn't happen to me. Honestly, you know, I'm such a like, you know, I've just been performing in like gay clubs for so long and been like in that scene and like Sam really changed my life with that song. And mean I went to Diplo's party after so that was really really fun Diplo's fun he's fun I'm a big fan and yeah I just like saw my friends and we were all just like in disbelief just like oh my god this really just happened I'm so grateful I got to like shout out Sophie on stage and that I remembered that too.

Because I could have just blacked out. And I thanked my mom. And so it was just such a big moment that I didn't think would happen. Ever since then, it's just been a lot less sleep. It's definitely post-Grammy. It just kept going and kept getting more and more and more. But I like it. So it's definitely like post-Grammy like it's just like kept going and kept getting more and more and more but I like it So it's cool. Dude, that is so crazy to think about going on stage and accepting a Grammy and just being like

I hope I can get my words out I hope I say one thing that like did you have a full speech planned or no? I did but I like five minutes before like our category was on I just like put it away and I was like just speak from like this moment and from your heart and Yeah, because Sam really put me in spots Sam was like I'm gonna have you accept the Grammy if we win it Just because I've done it and like blah blah blah. I'm like, please. No, don't do that to me I was like, please But I'm so grateful now that I like did it and like I'm such a shy and nervous person in my life

Which you wouldn't think for my music because my music is kind of where I live out by craziest ideas and fantasies, but I'm pretty shy person and So yeah, that was wild and I remember like looking at like J Lo's face and like Jay-Z sitting there and I'm just being like Can't believe this that's so interesting. I feel like now having sat down with people in the music industry, like we were talking about Anita. Yes, the best. The best. Shout out.

We love you, Anita. But Anita also kind of talked to me about that of like, she's actually really shy. And then she has this alter ego that she infuses into her music. And it's just the way that she's able to like put her, I guess, side, like personality that she wants to be into Anita the character. Which is kind of cool.

Do you feel like that's similar with you? One million percent. I feel like that's always just been like my saving grace in life from like my shyness. It's just when I'm on stage, it's like something clicks and I'm a completely different person. And I just feel in line with everything I don't overthink myself

I feel like confident because like the one thing that I know how to do is perform and write songs Like that's always been like everything else. I'm like horrible at and just like can't like I can't even cook like I can't do shit You know, I love I can't cook but I just want a fucking Grammy bitch that's right it's okay Kim it's okay I think we would all take that over being able to cook You also were recently on the cover of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit. Growing up, did you ever picture yourself being on the cover of a magazine? No, I was in my school, I remember being such a freak to everyone because since I was a kid it was very public that I was trans and I was a kid, it was like very public that I was trans and I was very open about it.

And so I was just kind of this like nerdy weird kid and like no one thought I was like pretty or sexy or anything like that. And so I doubted being able to do that stuff and especially being like in a swimsuit was like, I was definitely at like a nervous breakdown like the day before I'm like, can I like pose in a swimsuit was like, I was definitely at like a nervous breakdown like the day before I'm like, can I pose in a swimsuit and be that because I just, yeah, I didn't think I could. But then there's like amazing people and photographers and like the whole Sports Illustrated team who just

like hyped me up and were just like, you know, making me feel so good about myself that it like all just like happened. Like they really make me feel like I belong on the cover and it makes me want to cry because like I, I'm such a person who just like doesn't think of themselves as like, you know, all that. When you say that when you were younger, that you were like people never saw me as like sexy and cute. When do you think you started to actually for yourself,

did you always feel sexy and cute? You were like, fuck you guys, like I'm sexy and cute, or did it come at a certain point? I mean, I'm still waiting. No, I mean, I honestly, I think what gave me a lot of confidence and what built my confidence was becoming an artist and becoming a writer and going on stages and stuff like that.

And once I kind of found my like friends and gay people in general who like celebrated me for who I am and that whole, you know, I think once I started going to gay clubs, I was like, I belong here and I get the music, I get the people, I get what it's all about. So I think that's when I started to like myself and all of that. But I think in general, it's never my goal to be sexy or to be hot. It's always like I want to bring a little bit of a weirdness to things because I've always felt like I was kind of just on the outside of things. And I find, I don't know, I find more happiness in looking a little off

and a little weirder than just looking hot. I totally get what you're saying. Sometimes I actually think it's way better to feel like you're a little outside because then you're also just going based off of your own parameters of like half the time we're just trying to be like other people.

That's so fucking boring. Like I don't wanna be like anyone else. But I also think I appreciate you saying like, I'm still working on it. No one even, you can look at Kim online and be like, she's got it all together. She's winning Grammys. She's hanging out with celebrities.

It's like, but we're all still working on ourselves in some capacity till the day it's over. So it's like, it's a process. You have to. And you're from Germany, right? I'm from Germany, yeah. Can you tell me in German how to say welcome to call her daddy? Will come to

Nancy Fata Oh German is the unsexiest language of all time. I feel like that's why I also like I've just always been like a little more the weird German Immigrants, you know in America because like it's just not a sexy language. I have a song on my spooky Halloween album where I sing German and it comes in handy when you want to sound scary. Oh, okay.

Because most people are really scared when I, like when I yell at you in German, you're scared. Wait, can you yell at me in German? Ah! Like Alex, fuck off, get your shit together, ask me better questions. Alex, fuck you. Give me better questions. Hello? Oh my god. Alex, give me better questions.

Right? It's scary. That is scary. But I do kind of feel like you made it kind of sexy. Like, I think you have a little something Okay, I'm gonna learn how to say all that by the end of this okay, so you talked about How you started your career in gay clubs all around the country? Yeah, clearly that was such a huge part of your coming up and in this industry How did people in the clubs initially treat you and like how did they like you and your personality and your vibe and your music? I think they just really immediately kind of got it. I mean I remember like my first few years like going back and forth from New York and

just kind of being a club kid and having my first few songs out and just like performing on a bar stool or like a table you know like and people were just like I get this and I understand this and just like since I'm a part of the community it's like it makes sense but they were the first like all the little Bushwick kids like were the first ones to play my music and I'll never forget that because was like with a lot of like going into like labels and stuff like that it was a lot of we don't know what your demographic would be and like is it you know you make gay club music and it was kind of a in a bad way and not in a good way like to them

because like that wasn't gonna make as much money and that's always really confusing to me because to me that's like the coolest thing right people play you in gay clubs, right? That's literally all you could ask for. Yeah, like you want you want all the gays being like fuck. Yes What oh wow that did that ever kind of affect you in your musical decisions Like did you ever find yourself being like should I go a little bit more one way? I think if anything it made me double down on it. Like it just like whenever someone says that something is like something that I'm passionate about and something that I love, I go harder in that is not it.

I go harder in that direction. And, uh, I feel like, so that honestly gave me like so much like will to like prove that there's people who will come to my shows and that I can have a big song and all of all of that stuff. Yeah and we can sell bitch we won a Grammy. Yeah we can totally we won a Grammy. We have number one. When you're saying you're in these clubs do you remember any like early fun stories for us of like memories from performing in these clubs that have stuck with you of like just iconic moments for yourself in your career? Signing dicks is one of them

That must be, yeah that's pretty out there. That's pretty good. Totally like doing my fans poppers on stage Hitting weed pens from my signing weed pens Yeah, I signed all kinds of body parts. I hung out with the hottest porn stars. It's wild and I love it and still every now and then I just need it. I just need to go to a warehouse rave and go crazy and do all that. But but yeah, those were like iconic moments. I think also mandelipora being at my first gig, mandelipora is this like New York icon. And yeah, just so many iconic people that I that

I've met through clubs. That is so fucking cool to just be like, that's also how your career started of like, basically, you're just having fun partying and you're singing and everyone loves your music and you're just like thriving. But I wonder, do you ever, yeah, I was gonna say, do you miss that? Cause then you're like standing on stage

and it's a little bit more formal. There's some more choreographed. I do miss it a little bit. I miss mostly going to clubs undetected. I can go to straight clubs now undetected, but I can't go to gay clubs anymore without taking a million photos. And I party, you know. I feel like I really love to, you know, just party and not think about how I look. And, you know, that might be not the, you know, I'm like sweaty and red in all the pictures. And so that's put a little bit of like pressure on it.

But like, I feel like I figured out my like disguises and stuff like that. And yeah, honestly, like I need like a fake beard and like, I feel like that'd be really bad. Like a little short haircut, crew neck, little wig. Maybe like red or maybe that's too much attention. Maybe a black sunglasses, huge mustache. Totally, a de-transition moment.

Yeah, yeah, just for us to come back. Yeah. You're like, I don't like this. I am actually interested, too, growing up in Germany, what is the difference between nightclubs in Germany versus nightclubs in America? Oh, I think it goes way later in Germany. I think people are down to be there until the morning, which is fun, especially if you like think about like Berlin and like Burgheim and all that stuff.

It's definitely and there's more techno, there's weirder music in general. It's just like a lot of electro music. I would say house music is huge. Do you prefer American clubs or German clubs? Ooh, they both have their pros and cons. Yeah. I think in general, like now like American clubs because like I need to actually be up the next day and do stuff. Right.

I always when I was younger was, I was liking going out late, but now as I get older, I'm like, why can't we start at five o'clock, start raging, and go to bed by midnight? And we can do the same shit, we can drink the same, we can do all the same shit. I endorse this, I endorse this idea. I love starting early now and just waking up the next day

not completely fucked. Completely. Yeah. Because in your next like 48 hours, you're just not a human being functioning in the world. Yeah. And I can't afford to do that with this career. Yeah, totally. You can't. And me neither. Like we have to like do shit now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So American clubs just because it's a little bit more responsible in terms of our timing.

Yes. If we're trying to have a good time, let's go to Germany. Definitely. I think people in general just like go a little bit more responsible in terms of our timing. If we're trying to have a good time, let's go to Germany. Definitely. I think people in general just like go a little more crazy there. Got it. What is your favorite song of yours to hear played in a club? Oh, my favorite song of mine to play in a club.

Treat Me Like a Slut. Yeah, I have this record called Slut Pop, which is all just like my sluttiest self and just only saying the most ridiculous sex shit there is, which was so freeing and fun to make and honestly, like I feel like all my coolest fans, like that's their favorite. So yeah, Treat Me Like a Slep. I love that answer so much. And we're going to talk about Slep Pop in a little bit because it's truly iconic and it's Call Her Daddy. Something very cool about your career is the fact that you

are self-made. You have been doing this since you were super young. You were teaching yourself how to write and how to produce in your bedroom. Where do you think that drive came from? Honestly from came from? Honestly from being excluded from social life. I feel like no one really got me, you know, in my like small town in Germany because I'm not technically from Cologne even, which is already kind of a small city. I was like two hours outside, like countryside, cows, grass. And I just, I loved music. That was kind of the one thing that I would always do, like always listen to music on repeat and pop music in particular. And I would just harmonize and make my own little concepts and things like that. So I think it's just something that comes like natural to me. But then I would just like sit down in my room and just really every single day, because I didn't

like school. I wasn't very good in school. I wasn't horrible in school but I was like okay in school and I was just like I'm going to be the next biggest hit songwriter and that's a skill I can work on every single day and yeah and then I got into writing jingles for like commercials and trying to write for other artists pitching songs and yeah I really felt like, feel like that is just like my, my savior is that I'm able to write music. Yeah. It's so inspiring to hear you talk obviously about like, there's a lot of people that can probably relate to you of like, being really isolated when you're younger, not feeling like you're fitting in, and just trying to find an escape, which you clearly found the best escape for yourself,

and it worked out. What would you say to your younger self, that Kim sitting in her room alone, just being kind of isolated and getting picked on? Live a little. I would say that. I was really a maniac, just only working and I feel like my whole teen years like I didn't go to like parties I was like just like just fully focused and so

I would tell myself to live a little and that things are going to happen when they're supposed to happen and uh that that that that it's all gonna you know work out and that it's okay to go with your friends and it's okay to try and have a social life because the answer isn't always just like, well they all hate me so I just gotta be by myself and be this studio goblin. I can actually also just, yeah. But also it was a little bit of a different time.

I mean that was like so long ago now. I legitimately didn't know anyone else trans. And so I was an internet kid. I would just find people online who I could talk to and things like that. That's why I like the internet is I hate it and love it because you're so weird. I remember when I was younger, YouTube I would find

anything that you were going through if you were alone, you could find someone somewhere on the internet, on YouTube. Who loves the same shit. Yeah. And so there's a saving grace, obviously, of you saying, I didn't know anyone trans. I was by myself going through it.

And I know you've been open, your family was very supportive of you. But still, even when your parents are like, we got you, it's like, okay, mom, dad, love you. But I need people my own fucking age to relate to and to connect to. So I appreciate you sharing that. I know you've also been really open

in your gender journey from a very young age that like you said at one point you felt very boxed in and labeled and that everything became about being trans and you just wanted to be seen as a person. Which I can imagine it's like in every single interview you're like I'm an artist but so many people want to also talk to you about being trans. Where are you now in your career and your journey of having your own identity and accepting yourself

but also like putting boundaries of like we don't need to talk about every fucking thing every single time. Yeah um I feel like it's a unique situation. So I like to talk about it now because I feel like it's something where, yeah, it's just like a unique point of view. And I think it comes in as my strength sometimes that I get to write from that perspective because that's always just going to be a big part of me that I am trans.

And I think that gives me in songwriting like such an interesting angle. And I think what's so special about music is that when I came to America and started going to studios, it really didn't matter who I was. It just mattered, like, am I good? Is my songwriting good?

Can I sing? And I feel like the more art that I get to put out and the more music I get to make, the more I become an artist rather than, you know, all the labels that people put on me. And it's not just a trans thing. I mean, it's like if you're a woman and you make music, people just talk about you being a woman in music or you being a gay man in music or all of that stuff. You know, we all just get boxed into this label that defines us. And I think trans people in general are a good reminder that gender and all of that stuff is just a label. And it really is all about who you are inside and not about all the stuff.

You know, just because you're this doesn't mean you have to like this or do this. And gender is a much is a thing that matters a lot less I think and says a lot less about people than we think and uh yeah you are whatever whatever you want to be and whatever is in your in your mind and yeah no I love it so true because it's like when you break it down it's like just let everyone do whatever the fuck they wanna do. And it's stop trying to just talk about people in one specific way. No one would be happy if the roles were reversed and you're just saying one thing about someone

we're all very multifaceted. Totally, and every person is their own thing, you know, completely. And I feel like just more than ever, I'm just trying to show people what's in my mind, what my music is about, what I stand for, rather than all the just talking about being trans all the time.

Completely, totally. I think your accomplishments, I mean, we could go through them all, but they speak for themselves. Like you've really popped off in an unbelievable way. You've had such an incredible career already. What a full circle moment that one of your biggest idols, Madonna, introduced your performance at the Grammys. What is it about Madonna that inspires you?

Well, I think Madonna is someone who broke a lot of these gender stereotypes and who can be very masculine in some of her music and talk about sex very freely and in a very different way and just was so ahead of her time in liberating people from feeling this shame about their sexuality and especially gay people. I mean, she did that shit in the 90s when it was really, really rough for gay people. And I will forever just like feel inspired and liberated by her taking the hit for so

many people because she really, you know, was called like a witch and like all this crazy stuff for just talking about her sexuality and just being so all out there. And I respect that in someone. If they can be so, if they can let that bounce off of them and like, well, I'm still gonna talk about whatever I wanna talk about. I'll never forget, like right before the performance, right before, because there was a little break

because it cuts to me. She had like a little whip and she was like, like mouthed to me, like, go get a bitch. And like, whipped her little whip. And I was like and I was like I was like literally just and I was tied up in this cage so I like couldn't say anything back I was like arms up like You're like, ah!

Picturing you trying to like give her the nod and you're like I wish I could hug you Like what do I do? Do I like do a kick? Like you're like Thanks totally The whole cage falls over wish I could hug you. Like what do I do? Do I like do a kick like? Thanks for totally. The whole cage falls over. You're like what the fuck? Dude that is picturing you like fully tied up just being like, do I wink?

Do I like, oh my God. Yeah. No I so agree with everything you're saying about Madonna. It's so crazy to look back at certain eras where we were so young and watching, like every generation has it, where there's certain people that just become, essentially the people that are breaking down barriers,

and in that generation, I know so many people were like, Madonna's crazy, like she should be taken off air, like she shouldn't be able to do this. And yet what people didn't understand is she was having such a needed conversation and allowed the next generation of performers to lean even further into it because she did what she did. And it's so cool that you now can be on fucking stage

trying to give her a wink or whatever. Not totally, it's so freaking cool. And like what she said too, because like I think she was saying that she was supposed to like do like the record of the year or something like that and she said she wanted to introduce the first trans performer at the Grammys and like I was like oh you really are the coolest ever like this.

The coolest. Yeah. Didn't you meet her for the first time drunk at an SNL after party? Yes, she came to the SNL after party. How drunk were you? I was so obliterated I just kept talking her like ear off about confessions on the dance floor and I was like that's one of the best Like almost ever it's a timeless classic and like people don't really like appreciate it enough and like

When he did this on real life, it wasn't the most and changed my life I was listening to it. I felt like so much less alone and like I was just talking to you She was like, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm And then she was like we should take a picture and I was just talking to you. She was like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And then she was like, we should take a picture. And I was like, thank you so much for saying that because I would have just talked her fucking ears off for hours. And she's like, sweetie, let's just pose

so you can catch a breath. I know, I know. She must think I'm insane. No, no. I bet she gets that all the time. And also it's just, it's so genuine. That's also just so iconic though, for you to be like hammered at a party,

being like, Madonna, like, I love you. We love you, Madonna. I love you so genuine. That's also just so iconic though, for you to be like hammered at a party being like, Madonna, like I love you. We love you Madonna. I love you so much. Okay, Kim, we're gonna play a game. Let's play this game. We're gonna play Would You Rather. Okay, some of these are really fucking random,

so don't judge me. Okay, I love it. Okay, would you rather accidentally post a nude on your Instagram or butt dial your parents during sex? Post a nude on your Instagram or butt-dial your parents during sex? Post a nude on my Instagram. I feel like I have no decency left anyways. You can find nudes of me anywhere. So it's like.

I was gonna say, yeah, I feel like a nude. I've had my tits out at every shoot. It's like, at this point, I'd rather do a nude because I feel like calling my parents during sex would be disturbing for them. And for you after when you relive. Definitely. Because also how bad to find out that you butt dialed them

but you figure out after you're pre-playing, like what was I saying during sex? How nasty was that sex? What was I doing? What were the noises? My dad couldn't see me the same, my mom couldn't see, yeah, the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, terrifying.

Okay, great, so rather post anude, love that, I agree. Would you rather go a month without sex or a month without music? A month without sex, I'm definitely there. Yeah, I'm so single and honestly, I've just been so busy, there's no hope right now, but it's okay. I'm very happy. The thing is like the music almost

acts like a like as that like excitement and like that crush that I'm obsessed with because I can just like listen to it again and again and again and like get really obsessed and like change little details about it and like all the little crushes I have on the side always end up in the music so I like I make it and then I listen to them and think of them and how they're not with me. And how I can't have them. Right, and you can like re-listen to your music all the time in like a not stockery way

that you're like not over texting the person, you're just re-listening to your music. I'm not like re-watching their stories, I just listened to the song I wrote about them a million times. I think that's a great, great answer. I know you love horror movies and I know you love Halloween. So, would you rather never be able to watch

a scary movie again, or never be able to dress up for Halloween? Oh! This is like mean. I mean, Halloween is gay Christmas, you know? It's like, it's so, so in me. I think, but never watch a horror movie again. That would be, okay, Halloween is just once a year.

I would like, you know, just like shut my doors, be a total witch in the hills, like see no one, and pretend like Halloween doesn't exist and watch horror movies. So I would pick that. And then you can just go dress up another time of the year. Yes. Okay, that's fair.

I like that. Would you rather fuck someone who is absolutely silent or someone who screams the whole time? Someone who screams the whole time. At least I know that they're into it, you know, but silence would just throw me off. Right, like at least you know they're there. Yeah, totally.

It would just make me feel like like at least you know they're there. Yeah, totally it would just make me feel like They don't want this to happen and that would be that would really be I've had like some Hookups where the guy is so quiet and I'm like I just need like a couple grunts Like I know me to like a light fuck like fuck. I know I hate that. I hate that like a lot of guys are like To win the zone. Yeah, like I'm not gonna make any noises man. Like right. Come on. Just do it Just let it go totally let it go. It's like honestly hot. I agree. Yes Would you rather never give head again or never receive head again? Never receive head again giving head is like the funnest thing of my life Honestly, like it's so fun. We're gonna get into the throat go

of my life. Honestly, like it's so fun. We're gonna get into the throat go. Yes. Don't worry we're getting there. Would you rather accidentally bite someone's dick giving a blowjob or throw up on it? Oh it's such a rough one. I feel like accidentally bite I mean it's not defined how hard it has to be. You know, maybe it can just be a little tooth. Right, like a little, little snaggle tooth. Yeah, like just a tiny bit toothy is better than throwing up because I don't think I could work that out on therapy. Right, right, like it would have to be the kind

of throw up where, because I've had that before, where you basically do throw up, but you suck it back up. Oh, you suck it back up before it leaks. In that case case extra lube anything lube chunky lube oh my god okay chunky lube t-shirt chunky lube t-shirt they're like what does that mean on the back throw up that's my brand brand. I'm gonna make so good

Would you rather have drunk sex or high sex? High sex me too. So much better. So good. Would you rather be in the mile high club or fucking someone's car? someone's car. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I feel like planes are like Plane bathrooms are just gross. Yeah's disgusting. I totally, but I respect it. I have some friends, and especially my gay friends that I travel with, they're like, yeah, I sat next to the hot guy and then we fucked. And I'm just in my pod with my eye mask on. And you know.

It's not sexy. And I think maybe the allure could be like, ooh, you have to be quiet and hide it. I don't really want to have to do that. I'd rather be in the car just like using the seatbelt, like choke me out, let's go, let's have a good time. Like, let's get weird. Yeah.

I feel like cars are just in general, like such a good spot, like being in a car with a boy. Yeah, and they can move to what's happening. It gives a little like, yeah, it gets a little foggy. There's a lot of good things. Titanic. Exactly. It's Titanic.

Both of us scrapping for it. Let's talk about of good things. Titanic. Exactly. Titanic. Both of us rapping for it. Let's talk about your dating life. You said you're in a little dry spell, and we love that. So you're not dating anyone. No, I'm not dating anyone. Are you interested in dating at all? Yeah. I'm interested in it.

But honestly, I feel like it's been something that's just like I'm good without too. And I feel like I've always been a relationship girl. Like I love a relationship. I'm not like a quick hookup girl, even though like sometimes, you know, I don't have a choice. Like sometimes I have like boys in different cities, like that I can just call up in every city.

That's a fun thing to be on because I know. You got your road beef. I know my road beef. Yeah, no, that's a fun thing to be on because I know you got your road beef. I know my road beef. Yeah. No, uh, that's good. But just right now, I just feel like, I don't know who would like fit into my crazy life right now, because I'm just like always doing shit and always traveling. And I'm never in the same space for long enough to even like really, you know, do something meaningful.

I was going to say, yeah, like what is dating life like now as a pop star compared to like maybe a couple years ago where you still had like a little anonymity? Yeah, it's really changed it. I feel like people are just in general like a little scared of me now, which is kind of good. You know, it just like weeds them out. Like you have to just like say that you want me now.

Right. Or I don't have time for you, you know, my clog just slipped. The full clog it felt like it was 500 pounds we just hit the floor. Oh you're like I don't have time for you boom yeah oh that's interesting so you like yeah does that make you sad a little bit that you think like do you have do you think people are seeing a persona of yours and then you have to like deconstruct it like I'm not really always like that Yeah I think in general like slap pop really changed how guys see me because like I feel like a lot of the guys that I'm dating have heard slap pop and like know

That and they're like, you know, and it's like yeah, I'm the girl who sings throat goat, you know, and this And they just feel like they have to like live up to this crazy expectation and I guess that's like not you know, it's like such a Persona for for that record that it's like that's that's not me you know, I'm also someone who just like wants to watch horror movies with you and like Cuddle and be cute totally all of that and I like the last thing I want is for you to be scared of me Right. So if you're scared of me, I'm immediately cutting you off, because that makes me feel horrible about myself. You know? Because I'm just like a genuine person,

and I really feel like I'm, but I have crushes on the wrong guys all the time. Really, do you have a type? I don't really, I feel like every single guy is very different. I think the type that I have is just like the energy being good and being funny, being honest, being loyal. I think that's the big ones for me.

And I like sweet guys. I like when you're sweet. But you just said you're picking some of the wrong guys. So what's going on? So it's not sweet guys. Yeah, I don't know, just guys who keep me dangling or I think they have to constantly do stuff to keep me obsessed with them.

Then I'm on the road and then you don't talk to me and then I'm back. It's just like, yeah. It's exhausting. It's exhausting. Do you let your friends set you up with people or no? I do, yeah. I went on a date with a guy who my friend set me up with recently didn't really go anywhere

But it was it was fun because like sharing similar friends who can at least talk about the friends true, you know You can just like talk about so cool. Yeah You have a commonality to talk about yeah, you're not like how's your drink? Yeah Yeah. You could be like, Rebecca's a bitch, right? Totally. Totally. Yeah, I let my friend set me up, for sure. When was your last relationship?

My last relationship was like one and a half years ago. And that was like a five year relationship. So like a long one. So I feel like I'm still like anyway at the part where like I need to like be myself, get over that relationship and all the stuff that that did to me, because it wasn't like a very nice relationship and made me feel awful

about myself for a few years. And that's the worst, I should have like cut it off when I felt it. But yeah, you know, it was the first time I broke up with someone. And thank you, thank you. And the first time that I just really feel like I did the right thing and listened to my intuition

and got out of it. And I know a lot of people who don't get out of relationships that don't fulfill them. And they're almost like a new person when they get out of it. It's like, oh my God, you're back. And you're like yourself again and you're happy again. So that's my main thing. I never want to, you know, I mean, no one wants to.

Yeah, just I really don't want to be in any relationship that doesn't make me. Feel good and feel great, you know, because I'm such a pleasing person. And like, I feel like I always used to just like, I just want you to be happy and I don't care if I'm happy Yeah, and that's that's a bad thing and I think that goes back to me as a as a kid as a teen like I just hope one day like a guy can See me as a girl or show me any attention, you know and like see me as a normal person not as a freak You know, I think it goes back to that me just wanting to you know, well, he likes me

So I'm to do anything for him and like completely forget that I have value as a person. Yeah, I think that's so relatable, Kim. And like, I also love how you were like, oh my god, I should have gotten out earlier. But I'm so happy I did get out. I think so many times we're so hard on ourselves, because when you're so deep in something, it's really hard to actually make the jump to envision life, even if it's toxic without that person because you've been living in it for so long,

you have your routines, that still is the person that you're with all the time and you just become so attached to something that you almost forget what life was like before them and a lot of times it was so much better. Totally. But it's hard to get out. It's really hard, but it's like, you're gonna live and it's gonna be okay, and you're gonna

figure it out again, you're gonna get back into it. And honestly, life on your own sometimes can be so much more purposeful and fulfilling. I feel like really I personally thrive when I have time by myself where I just literally do whatever it's like recharging and I think in general like I wish I would have done that in my relationship more um and and yeah I mean um I feel like relationships are the hardest thing to to figure out they really are and they're so hard they They're really, really hard. They're really hard. But right now I'm having fun. Woo! And that's awesome.

And I feel like I'm just finally back at the place where I love being alone and spending time by myself and where I just shut my door and just do whatever. Amazing. What is your perfect ideal first date? I don't think there is one. I really think that first dates are always gonna be a little awkward and like I just like you know I

feel like my first thing I do is probably try to drink because I'm so nervous. I get really really nervous and it's such an awkward thing when like you know that you like technically are attracted to each other, but you have to figure it out, do a little dance. But I feel like in general, just doing something active, like going to an arcade or going at the fun stuff. Yes, doing something so you're not just sitting across the table being like, hello. Totally.

How are you doing? Where you can actually do something. But I also like, I like when you show me like one of your favorite places that you actually like, actually love going instead of like, I wanna try out this new place. Like just show me like, where do you actually go? Are we, what are we doing Kim?

Are we fucking on the first date? Are we waiting? Like, do you have any rules in your head or do you just do whatever the fuck comes to you? I live in the moment. I've definitely done the first date, you know, fuck, but I think it's, usually when I do that, like, I'm then like not interested anymore. It's like, yeah, I feel like it's just like, I need to like give it time and like, I need to be like obsessed with you and like you're like I need to let it simmer for a bit more I realize now because like once I broke up I would just like go home with like every single one of them every time and it was really fun I had a great time

you know um but I feel like when you when you really give it time it just makes it more special and cooler I love how you're I love Kim's out here breaking everyone's hearts Like give them the best after date one and then you literally just ghosting everyone. No, you're like I was happy That was great. But I'm over it on to the next. Yeah. Well, I'm just like in the next city Yeah, oh my god, that's actually that's I've never heard someone say that you get you're over it once you have sex the first Time and you're just like that's boring. Okay. I mean maybe it was just the guys maybe it was just a situation I don't like to like make a rule in general but I think just like the guys like I went home with I was just like I just needed like rebound

attention totally and so I just like yeah and. And then I was like, eh. I get it. Growing up, who was your celebrity crush? Legolas and Lord of the Rings. Like that wig. Kim. No, Kim, let me tell you something. Three, three of the people that I like, I'm like, what's wrong with me? Number one, Johnny Depp specifically as Captain Jack Sparrow. Yes, hot. Okay. Number two, Legolas, Orlando Bloom,

specifically as the elf in Lord of the Rings. Hot. The hair and the ears and then Edward Cullen as vampire. But I'm like, wait, are we like weirdos that we're like specifically as an elf? Yeah, no, specifically as an elf. Yeah, in the wig as that character. He was so hot.

I know, it was so hot. Because I totally, yeah yeah I don't know that was just like I I remember like how like having a poster of him and like just being so obsessed with him and I will forever be obsessed with him I'm me too but you must think just legolas yeah Orlando bloom and I bet Orlando Bloom never thought like, of all the roles that I've ever played, everyone in the world's like the hottest version of you. The hot elf, baby. Hot elf, Legolas.

No, I'm not kidding if you guys have, actually, I feel like if you don't have the context, like if you just Google him, you may all be like, you guys are freaks. Watch the movie, because the context is important. He's just so like, I don't even remember. He's just great, his vibe is great. His vibe is so good.

He's hot, but he looks amazing. Yeah, and he looks amazing, he looks stunning. I have to be honest, I really never thought that I would sit across from someone in my entire career and have someone say the same thing that I think of Legolas, Elf, Orlando Bloom. I'm like, what the fuck? And that's why we're on Hinge.

Here we go. That's why we're here. And that's why we're here. Let's go to Slutpop. Okay, you've been mentioning it, but now we got to talk about it. You coined the term Slutpop to describe your music. Can you define Slutpop for those who may be coming fans today? Yes. becoming fans today? Yes, Sloppop is this really Euro house dance, 90s inspired EP. And me and my friends would always make pop songs

that were slightly slutty and say, oh, this is Sloppop. And so I just decided to go with it and make an EP and just be the most slutty version of myself that I could wish I could be in life. But I feel like I'm too shy to be that all the time. So yeah, I just kind of let let it all out on that one. And a lot of people were really had interesting reactions to it. And I think it's the funnest thing in the world to scream out the most obscene shit and just be like,

I'm a fucking slut, fuck me, you know, it's just, it's so freeing every time I do it, it's addicting. And, and yeah, I recommend to check it out. It's just, what are some of your craziest lines that people haven't heard? It's like, give it, give them a little something. Okay these bitches can't suck like me walk in i'm the sucking queen look around all eyes on me jack it off i'm a suck it clean these uh i'm the what's my name what's my name i'm the throat goat yeah yeah it is yeah it is poetic. It's beautiful. It's touching to me. It's pure beauty You know if if you are it you know You might not get it you might get it, but if you get it. Yeah, you really got it

I can slide little dirty bitch. I love to fuck It's so it's so good Kim other than your own catalog It's so good Kim. Other than your own catalog, what's a song or an artist that you would also classify as like slut pop? Ooh, Britney Spears' Blackout Era. That is just the best. So like dirty and hot.

Full slut pop. Yeah, full. That was definitely a huge inspiration for that. I also think that Kylie Minogue has a bunch of songs that I would put on Slut Pop. Dude, I'm thinking about how you kind of said like people after Slut Pop like people were kind of intimidated by you because it's like you're coming in here being like I am the throat goat like I like and all this shit. When did you actually start

to just become really confident about talking about sex? I think in general when I made that, I think I was just in a phase of my life where I felt like I was a little, just not talking about that part of my life enough. And I have so many friends, and especially as a trans girl, it's like that are sex workers, I, you know, porn is great. Porn like sex workers work. And it was a moment where OnlyFans was going to ban sex workers from its platform, which would have taken away like the livelihood

of a lot of my friends. And so I was like, I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. And I think that like everybody needs to stop like villainizing sex workers because there's a huge demand for it, we need it and there's nothing to be ashamed of and I also always think you know if my life hadn't gone the way it did and I hadn't like been able to transition really early and stuff like that I would have probably you know done that to be able to transition and to be able to be myself. So I wanted to take the shame out of it for my friends, for myself.

And I think just in general, people need to be less afraid of it. And I think especially women and girls, there's so much power in loving sex. And you should love it. You should figure out what you like about it and not be, please men. That's not the goal in sex.

It's like you having a good time. And so I'm just a huge supporter of that. And that's been something that's been hard for me to figure out, because I have always just been like crazy for guys and like, how can I please him in any way? And once I kind of broke out of that, I was like, it's about me too and yeah. I love also that I had actually,

someone recently asked me, this reporter was like, I back in the day of Call Her Daddy, came up with this thing called the Gluck Gluck 9000. And it was just like, you know, my go-to blowjob move. And I remember this reporter being like, you know, it's so good, it's so good, it's so good. And I remember the reporter being like, you know, my go-to blowjob move. And I remember this reporter being like, you know, it's so good, it's so good. And I remember the reporter being like, you know, if you're a feminist, like, then like,

are you ashamed that you coined that term and that you were teaching young girls how to give blowjobs? And I was like, absolutely not. Because of course there are certain things in the past that I was like probably way to appeasing of a man. But specifically with that, it's like, I just go to say like, I love pleasing my partner. Like that doesn't mean you can't be a feminist.

If you're like, I also love giving my fiance head and like making him feel good. That's part of sex. And that gets me off by also making sure my partner is having a good fucking time. So it's like, we need to talk about the throat goat because as much as we're like girls enjoy sex, it's also like, you can also be down

and pleasing your partner is also a part of enjoying sex. It's not just a one-off situation where you're just like by yourself. Well, you can do it by yourself. But when you're with a partner, can you talk about the throat goat? Can you talk about, give us some tips, give us a couple little, you know, Kim,

just give us like one little thing, maybe a little, what are we doing? I pull out the bottle and I need a dough. Yeah, that was iconic. What did she do? She went. She was like, you do this, and then she said, you wear the Invisalign on your bottom.

Yes, wear Invisalign, I want to try that. I know, I'm calling my dentist, and I just need a bottom Invisalign. They're like, bitch, your teeth are fine. I'm like, no, just the bottom. It's the funnest thing. I love giving blow jobs. It's my favorite thing in the world.

I pride myself in it and I think that's awesome. It's all on you. You're center stage. It's your time to shine. It's literally your time to shine. It's like watch me go. Eye contact, that's a very important one. And I don't know, it's just like watch me go. Eye contact, like that's a very important one. And I don't know, it's just like.

Little sloppy. Boy, I love when boys really like that, you know, and really, yeah. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! It's like I have to go, he's getting caught in here.

No, I love it, and I think it's, again, I just like that we're talking about it because it doesn't, there's nothing wrong with enjoying and pleasing your partner. No. And I think sometimes to, again, I just like that we're talking about it because it doesn't, there's nothing wrong with enjoying and pleasing your partner. And I think sometimes to all, you know, the people out there, it's like, if you are intimidated by it, you have to just reframe the way that you're thinking about it.

It's supposed to be fun. You're supposed to, it's playful, it's enjoyable. Yeah, and if you don't enjoy it, that's fine too. You know, find the things that you really love. I love giving what giving head you know and I Call myself the throat good and have been called that oh And that wasn't quite just by myself

Would you say you're more dominant or submissive in the bedroom um I I'm pretty subby. Yeah, I'm Love it, but like I gotta really like trust someone and like if you really like like me to dom I I will do it. Um, and I like when someone can give me a really specific Like this is what I like like do can give me a really specific, like this is what I like. Like do this, like I love that. And maybe that's why I'm subby, because I just like in those situations

to be told what to do and just to like do that. But yeah, but also I can be, I feel like I swing both ways. Love it, love it. When you say treat me like a slut What do you actually want your partner to do Kim? Fuck me I don't know bend me over. I'm not opposed to a little choking

All that good stuff just just put me into position and go. I love how you just push your glasses so you're like, goodbye, I'm not making eye contact with you right now. Bend me over, put me in position, let's go. That's good, love it. Yeah, okay, good, okay, good. Yeah, but I think in general, just like,

make me feel like you really want me bad and need me you know like that's the hottest thing you can do okay on a just quickly on a little bit more serious no um I know where yeah just out of nowhere back in a car is awesome yeah like a little too aggressive of a transition I just realized. No, I love it. Okay. Obviously, everything that's going on with trans rights right now in America, I just felt like it wouldn't be right if I didn't ask you.

Obviously it's disgusting what's happening and we're clearly regressing. How are you handling the hateful backlash for, you know, with the trans community? Well, I feel like I need to hold it up for all the young kids that are trans and getting, you know, their rights taken away and all of that stuff. You know, I try to find the best causes to help. I try to stay in touch with all my trans friends and all of that. But just in general, I think it's brutal how people treat trans people. It's just like everybody deserves to live their lives how they can, you know, and the way that they know how to get through life. And I feel like the judgment around it is still so intense and scary and there's so much like actual like murder and things like that in the trans community that are really really

terrifying and it's such a beautiful beautiful community and that's the one thing that I just like want people to know like the dolls have each other's backs like we love each other and I feel like there's so many trans friends of mine that I couldn't live life without, that are such beautiful lights. And just remember that and find the people who get you and who support you and focus on that because I still get called a man every single day, you know, like, and that's okay. It's funny to me at this point. I'm like, I'm a man, you know, because like I'm, yeah.

Because like, I feel like I've been called like that since I was 12 and all of that. So to me, it's like, brush it off at this point. But I know how like horrible that situation can be. And there's just a very public like hate campaign on trans people right now that's disappointing and sad but there's also a lot of people who really care and who really are pushing and just know that like it's an up-and-down swing with trans rights like

it has been with gay rights like it has been with anyone who's different than the norm and it's it's gonna probably get better and swing back around. At least that's what I hope. But in general, know that like, there's amazing people out there who have all got your back and who think you're really beautiful and you deserve everything.

You deserve love. You deserve to be seen to who you really truly are. And don't settle for anything less. I've done it and it sucks and yeah I love y'all. Oh my god. Amen. Amen. Amen. Let everyone live however they want to fucking live. I know it's so annoying. It's just so crazy like the progress we've made in some areas that we're still having these conversations and it's so infuriating. Yeah, especially in America, it goes with like, you know, birth control and things like

that. It's the same exact kind of thing where there's just people trying to tell people what they can and can't do with their bodies and it's wrong and no one ever should. And it really like, like makes it so much harder for people to just like live their lives and make their own decisions. And it's just so annoying that our bodies are still being policed by people. It's truly insane, but I do think it's, we are so fortunate that we can sit here and you can use your music and I can use this show as a platform to just like keep talking about it. Totally. I hope it anyone that it makes uncomfortable look inward as to why and like start doing

the work and I think everyone that is supporting like keep supporting and be vocal and post on social media and because I think it's so important that we just keep showing we aren't going anywhere. And everyone should just be able to do whatever the fuck they want. And we need to get on board with that. I know, it's really not that hard. It really only is hard to people who need to control other people in life to get to be comfortable in life.

Like you need to be able to control your woman to live with your ego and shit and so you know because you're too scared she's gonna go in you know yeah it's all to maintain their power yes and it's like have your power over there let us have our power over here fuck off totally but like oh we I mean we could sit here for fucking hours Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh, uh-huh. We're snipping you all, OK? Really? They're like, oh, no, no, no. OK, do whatever you want. Do whatever you want.

You take away their nut. They're like, oh, no, no. Literally. Do whatever you want. OK, sorry. Number one, JK, JK. Oh, my god. OK, you have a new album coming out.

Yes. And I'm so excited for you. The album is called Feed the Beast. Yes. How did you come up with that? For me, it started with kind of feed the beat because I feel like I constantly need to listen to music and just do my thing over beats.

Then it turned into Feed the Beast because I had an album leak and my label told me, you gotta get back in the studio, make new songs and go feed the beast. And that was literally like, okay, let me think about this. And then I kind of thought about myself and like my personal ambitions and I've always wanted to really play the pop game. I've always wanted to make big pop songs and big melodies and be like a real player in the music industry and, you know, do big shows and all of that. And I was like, there was a part of me

that was a little ashamed of that for a while. And I was like, but I'm like a gay club darling. And like, maybe that's just like all I want and all I wanna be. And I was like, no, like my passion is to go for it. So go feed the beast, go feed that, what I feel like almost ashamed of to want. Go want that and own it and don't be afraid of it.

And, you know, so I feel like for me, the album is a reminder, hopefully to my fans to really find what it is that you can't live without and go all out on it and don't be afraid to take up space and don't be scared to make it as massive as you want to make it and as ridiculous as you want to make it and yeah, go feed that. Kim, how is this album different than past work that you've done? I think I just had a shift creatively where I just kind of was a bitch to my co-writes and took more control. I just really came in with full songs flashed out again, kind

of like I did in the very beginning before people wanted to work with me. I just came in with fully flashed concepts and then just was like, we're writing this. I feel like I really took control. I worked with some people I've never worked with before. I like did a bunch in Sweden. I did a bunch in London. So it really feels like that major label really executed on the best level of my abilities.

And I'm really grateful to my label for allowing me to do that and for allowing me to take the time to really make something that feels whole and complete and that feels this exciting because I think you're going to freak when you hear it. I am so excited. Where is the perfect place to listen to this album? Like, are we doing it at the club? Are we working out? Are we having sex? Are we on the beach? What's the vibe? In a car getting fucked. Literally. Yeah all of those places. I think that's the funnest thing about this. I think it has a lot of club moments but it also it does have a ballad which is like kind of an unconventional ballad which I'm excited for people to hear because like never really do that. Like I'm very against ballads usually. Like I love like Celine Dion but I didn't think I could do that stuff. Right here she comes. Here I come. But yeah I

think you can really I think you can listen to it from front to back by yourself getting ready in the bathroom. You can listen to it in the in the club. You can all of that stuff so I think it's an overall overall listening thing yeah. I'm so excited for you and for thank you this summer are you going on tour what are we? Yeah not uh later this year like a little after summer and now it's gonna be up uh but yeah I'm going on tour um and I'm so so excited to go on tour tour because it's been a freaking while and it's my favorite thing in the world and like I missed it like nothing else in the world. And so I'll just be traveling. I'm doing a bunch of really cool festivals like all over the world and putting this tour

together. I'm like in rehearsals a lot, which is like my happy place. I love being with my dancers and just figuring out the show and the lighting and every detail. Lots of outfit changes. It's gonna be good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna see the outfits. Yes.

I am so happy I got to sit down with you today. I've been wanting to do this for so long. And you are like. I listen to you all the time. So it's been an honor to be here. Thank you. No, like you truly have such an energy about you that you're so calm and a vibe and like,

but you're like everything. It's just so fun to be able to like sit with you and actually get to know your personality because you are so, so sweet and funny and amazing. And I just, I can't wait to see what you do with your career. This is amazing. Thank you so much.

Thank you for coming. You're the best. Thank you, daddy gang. What? Thank you Daddy Gang!