Call Her Daddy - Maria Georgas: I Made Out with My Boyfriend’s Mistress

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

Join Alex in the studio for Maria Georgas’ first exclusive interview after her time on The Bachelor. Maria does not hold back and tells some truly wild stories from her dating life before the show. She reveals the great lengths she went to in order to prove her boyfriend was cheating on her, including convincing the apartment concierge to show her security footage and making out with his mistress. Alex and Maria give their hilarious takes on bad first date scenarios and discuss what’s going on in Maria’s current dating life. Then, Alex asks the question we’ve all been wondering… was Maria approached to be The Bachelorette? Maria gets real about all the drama this season, how it impacted her, what really happened at hometowns, and the moment she wanted off the show entirely. This episode is full of tea, crazy stories, and great girl talk… Enjoy!

what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her maria georges welcome to call her daddy i am so excited to be here i love you so much okay i love you i love you i'm so excited i i can't believe we're finally doing this first of all this has been a long time coming which we we will tell the Daddy Gang all about. But the entire world fell in love with you when you went on the season of The Bachelor. And ever since it ended, I feel like everyone has quite literally

just been waiting patiently for you to speak. And you are finally here. Yes. So I definitely needed the time to just be on my own. But if I was going to speak, I was going to speak here with you today on Call Her Daddy. And I, it was a long time coming, but I'm here now and I'm ready. Okay. I have so many questions, so let's just get into it. Okay. Before you continue, this is really tight and I want to slip into something a little bit more comfortable. Okay. Oh my God.

Okay. Okay. okay okay she's got her little unwell outfit on oh i'm feeling so myself right now you have no idea wait really oh my god this is me to my core okay but every single outfit you slayed this season like for anyone that didn't watch this season maria on the bachelor i don't know if i've ever seen someone come with like such good outfits and i feel like i saw that all online how did you even pack for this fucking season oh my god it was so last minute you guys have no idea so i i always wanted to be on the show i had dreams about it i was like i'm gonna be on the show one day so i remember like i would always buy things in hopes. Stop. I swear to God, I'm not even kidding. And so when I actually got like, I was like fully in the running.

They're like, okay, you're like in it. But I was never getting a solid yes. I was like, waiting, waiting, waiting. Three days prior, they're like, pack your bags. You're coming. You need this. This and this. I'm like, holy shit.

I had three days to pack. Why did you always want to be on The Bachelor? love the show okay I love the show I was such a huge fan and um I had friends on the show and they did yeah wait I feel like that's D I will I mean I don't know how much I want to say I feel like there's been you know people have talked about it and I'm sure people know who. But yeah, I've had people that have been on the show that have always said, like, I see you on it. And yeah. And so I was like, I'm going to apply.

So you've romanced. Are you insinuating you've like romantically dabbled with people on the show? I wouldn't say romantic, but obviously there was like, I don't know what you want to call it whatever you want to call it it was just like a good thing going and yeah and I just remember talking to him about it and he was like I can totally see you know what he said to me actually should I be asking you like who you're talking about no you shouldn't do you want me to say I think I have to ask well I mean i think it's been fairly obvious and i honestly i'm so over the rumors and stuff like that so nick obvious oh fuck but this is bad because he's like totally married no i think that's it's not you're saying you're like in

love with this person yeah nothing has ever happened between nick and i but like it's always been like a friendship okay but but this no no I think this is fine to say Nick is one of the biggest people from the franchise and the fact that like you had like a little thing with him back in the day yeah but you never hooked up no you just had like a flirtatious banter literally that is all like he helped me through breakups like he was a good friend to me at points and it was great but I remember and I and I never really understood it until actually being on the show he had said to me he's like I can see you being the villain he's like you're gonna go on you're gonna be the villain and I was like why why me like I would never go with the intention

of becoming a villain I didn't go in there try to piss people off but I remember him saying he's like people are gonna come after you no matter what I can just see it you're gonna be the villain and it was just funny because after I finished filming there was rumors about me being a villain i'm like but i wasn't i know what happened well i feel like just to sum it up again for anyone that didn't watch like i feel like people tried really really really really really really fucking hard to make you the villain and then everyone in america watching it was like no like no she's not the villain actually like yeah these girls that are basically gaslighting maria are the villain okay let's go back to the beginning i love how you were just like dropping

bombs left yeah yeah okay but i think that i think it's fine to say the nick vial thing i think he's like happily married now and that's great yeah and i think in the past and i just want everyone to know that like there's no animosity between us. Like I think we have always been friends. Obviously, whatever. Yeah. But yeah, he's always been great to me. And like I respect his relationship.

I respect where he is now. I'm happy to see him grow. But yeah, to say that we didn't have a past, that would be a lie. So like I just hate this like it's been all over Reddit. I just want people to know that like it's been all over reddit I'm just wanting people to know that like it's nothing serious yeah but also we respected each other along the way and I'm happy where he's at now and I congratulate him well I was gonna say I also think the internet is too smart nowadays where it's like yeah if you were connected to anyone

in bachelor nation oh there's a secret exactly so I think it'd be like you'd be like remiss to not bring it up because then everyone would be like you're a secret exactly so I think it'd be like you'd be like remiss to not bring it up because then everyone would be like you're a liar right and I have nothing to hide like I go through life where I feel like I have you want to ask me questions I want to answer I can tell no no really can you tell I can tell yeah so I'm like you know what like at the end of the day I'm like I rather speak on it than people build or create stories out of nothing. There's nothing to talk about there. Amazing.

Literally. So let's talk about your season. Okay. You are one of the most popular, I would say, bachelor contestants in the history of ever. And you just like brought this energy to it, this relatability. You were normal. I think people could be like, see themselves being friends with you. You're a girl's girl. Like it was great vibes. How did you feel about all this attention? Oh my God. First

of all, thank you for saying that. Like that meant a lot because I was actually talking this, talking about this with my friends. Like when I had first come back home, I had to sit my family down to let them know like what, what kind of like shit stupidity I went through in the house. I did not know how it was going to like play out and like how people were going to perceive me because in the house I felt like I was so wrongfully accused of things and people were just like taking me the wrong way. And so I didn't know how things were going to play out.

The fact that it was an honest edit, I can say, and like showed exactly who I am. And I said to myself, I'm like, if I'm going to do this, I'm going, and like showed exactly who I am. And I said to myself, I'm like, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this like exactly who I am. I'm not going on there with some alter ego. Like, no, no, no. I'm going to, when my friends and family are going to watch, they're going to be like, that's my Maria. Prior to this show. Yeah. Were you someone who was used to a lot of drama in your life? And I talked about this on the show to Joey I was like the last thing I thought I was gonna have problems with were the girls I thought I was gonna be like them I thought

the only problem I would have is if I like him or not or if we can really see each other like becoming something right and so when that was my biggest concern in the house I was like oh my god I maybe that guy was right maybe maybe it's like in in wait okay you want to hear something actually i actually have something to say yes this is actually kind of fucked up okay so sydney you know sydney no so in the house oh the one that was yes yeah okay so funny enough this no actually side note i don't know if you want to keep this in but this actually kind of like concerned me at one point so when it first started like airing I remember someone sent me a photo of Nick and Sydney together they were all friends because Sydney's friends with um Ashley I and Nick's close with Ashley and Ashley's close with Sydney and

they were all in a photo together I'm like was this planned no I'm not kidding besides all this right now I'm like straight shooter to you right now part of me was like was this all planned because I was like I did I knew I was innocent like I knew I was innocent hand to God so when this all started happening and then imagine dealing with that in the house and then coming out and seeing that she's friends with Nick I was like right because Nick had told you there's something conspiring here okay so you walk someone through that maybe didn't watch the show you're basically saying you're seeing Nick Viall like tell you you're gonna potentially be the villain yes then you're seeing Nick Viall be friends with the girl that attacked you the whole season okay keep this

shit in because you know what I'm not kidding kidding. I was, this was my exact thought process. I was like, there's something weird about all this because it was too close to this. Like it was too close to home. I was like, this was said and now this and this. Cause if there was a, if guys, if there was a moment in the house where I can say, okay, I deserve that.

I would say I would not even begin to think about this but i was so innocent to someone that has no idea what the fuck we're talking about and has not watched the season of the bachelor yeah you have these two specific women i would say three three okay three women that were like hell bent on crucifying you oh yeah can you give like a brief synopsis of like what they were trying to like basically kill you for yeah so um there's a point in time where we see medina she was one of the older girls i don't even like to say older here we go the age thing but she she had mentioned that she felt insecure about her age and um that she was losing time and she thought you know it was joey maybe might have not been giving her enough attention because of her age um and i stayed silent during

that conversation she kind of like addressed the room about it and then why did i say and land and i don't know um so then we were outside and kind of we had breaks you know throughout the day but we're always being recorded and i knew that so despite having a break I know like we're being recorded but again I was in the moment with my friend and we were kind of like um going through what was like said or during that moment we were kind of just like what's the word we were just like recapping recapping thank you very much that moment and all I said to her was like I don't get why Medina would say that because like I'm in her age group and I'm just saying like she's she's a beautiful woman like literally so beautiful where I was like

I couldn't even fathom the idea that she was thinking that it had something to do with her age why Joey's not giving her attention I'm like you're so beautiful own it like you have so much going for you you have the age is the last thing you should worry about yeah but I wasn't saying that to Medina I was saying that to my friend as we were recapping the night. Um, and that's why I was like, I want to preface by saying like, if Medina had come to me and said to me, Maria, I feel insecure my age. I know you're like one of the older girls in the house too. Like, this is how I feel. I would never say, own it. You're hot. Like I would be like, no, let's talk about it. This is how you feel. I'm here for you. You know? So obviously I was saying what I was saying to my friend behind closed doors and I was being overheard by Sydney. And instead of

a coming up to me to be like, Hey, are you talking about Medina? Cause she's my girl. Instead of like either coming up to me or talking to me one-on-one to be like, Hey, I might've heard this, but I don't know it she started this entire thing on something she might have heard so that's where it all kind of started though and I think like what we can acknowledge for women is like age is such a sensitive thing just because everyone makes us feel like when you hit 30 it's like oh the clock is ticking yeah and so I empathize with what she was saying and then I also agree with what you were saying of like, oh, my God, girl, like, don't even fucking worry.

You're hot. You're beautiful. You're young. Like 30 is young. Yeah. 31 is young. Yeah. 40 is young.

Yeah. Like we have to like retrain our brains to look at like women and age in a complete different way. But I think on the show, it brought up a really interesting conversation that you were almost villainized for like shitting on this woman for her age and that was not what you were saying absolutely and like everything you said was absolutely right and for me I'm like I can get insecure about my age too 100% and I have felt insecure about it but going into The Bachelor knowing that there's that you know sometimes they cast 23 year olds and stuff like that I knew going into it where

I was like I probably am going to be the oldest one in the house so i was trying to think pause positively so that like i didn't get into that mindset so i thought in ways like i was trying in ways when i was talking to my friend about it i was trying to encourage myself too because like yeah hearing her talk about that you don't think that struck a chord with me i was like fuck maybe like like because i am a year older than him maybe that is weird I don't know I started like thinking I was like no no like we're gonna twist it no we're hot we're confident let's do this like got it and I was just having a talk with my girlfriend I didn't think it was gonna become a thing I I wasn't trying to do this in front of a room like I would have been way more sensitive way more like you know yeah

you were almost like debriefing something that clearly related because how old is she she's 31 okay she's 31 and how old are you 29 okay i'm 29 yeah same age so i get what you're saying is like you guys were the oldest in the house and you immediately saw her freaking out and getting insecure that you were like oh my god like should i be insecure no we're fucking beautiful let's go let's just turn this into a positive right now. Got it. It's so, you know, in the house, you're so isolated and you, I can see why she was feeling those things, but I, I kind of wanted to like, cause imagine if I just sat there and was like, yeah, we are, we should just like peace out right now. Us old fucks.

Like, let's, let's just get the fuck out of here. But I was trying to just like, and again, if she had come to me personally, the conversation would have been different. It was just in the moment with my friend. I was just like, yeah. And so this kind of begins this feud between you and this girl, Sydney, where she like has it out for you. Yeah.

She's literally saying you're like the devil. Oh yeah. It's funny. I brought devil ears cause I knew we were going to be filming during Halloween and I wore the devil ears like for a week straight. They cut that out. So maybe you don't talk about that. But like, I loved it.

I was like, cause they told me they're like, yeah, you know, she sees you as a devil. I'm like, and in parts I was like, wait, but what? Like I was questioning myself. Why do you think this girl had it out for you? Like you said, you barely got into drama your whole life with women. Like your biggest concern was like, am I going to even like Joey? Like why even get along with him? Yes.

What do you think if you had to pinpoint it brought it on this season? Yeah. So I on, cause now getting to know her outside of this, she's an amazing woman. And I, and I honestly can say that in that moment, she really, truly thought she was going to bat for her friend. Um, and like, like again it's so weird to say like these girls become our best friends but when you're in that environment you become very close to people and that's how it feels right so i truly think that she was feeling she was going

to bat for her friend she was that ride or die friend she wasn going to like let anything slide with the best intentions, just wrongly guided. I don't really know why, because I guys, when I tell you, you know, she had apologized to me there. And then when we I was like, listen, you overheard something. You took it out of context. It wasn't meant maliciously. Next time, you know, come to me.'s like absolutely we cheers the next day we had that group date where we were um doing the talent show and she hugged me before the group date and she was like Maria I just want to say again I'm sorry for taking something out of context it wasn't shown we never even got to talk about this and so I thought I was like wow okay you know what and I said to her that day I go listen I'm good to hug you. And like, we're good, but just you scare me a little bit because we were so good up until the point where you're starting shit with me, where I'm

like, where is this coming from? So we hugged it out. We were good. Later on that night is when she was like, I feel bullied by you. You hugged me earlier that day. It was like, guys, when I say it was crazy, it was crazy. But again again because I know she is a good person deep down I think that again in this environment it just brought out the worst well because I was gonna say like I I didn't know you guys were close now which is we're not close but we're good you're good yeah okay because I was gonna say I thought I didn't know if you guys were like friends and I'm like that's kind of crazy to go from someone being like, you're bullying me. Like the, what we watched on TV, I was like, this girl is like losing her mind on national

TV. And it's like everywhere you would go, she would turn to you and just start like going after you. And it felt very targeted. Yeah. It got to points where she would acknowledge that like, I can't even be in a room with Maria because I feel she's going to attack me. And there's been so many scenes of us in a room and I'm like leave me alone what so like I didn't understand I and to this day like you know her and I didn't get to really

talk about what exactly it was that made her say those things about me because I could I like even thinking about putting myself in her head I could never say that about someone if I knew that it was so untrue well I think what was interesting too and I liked reading the internet during your season because I thought that women had really interesting takes about you like I remember watching and so many women were like I feel like half of these girls in the house are having their first bi experience because everyone is falling in love with maria and everyone's like do i like her more than joey i think there was also a lot

of jealousy like you exude confidence you like walked in every room you looked so fucking hot you looked insane in your outfits you have a great personality and you just led with confidence and i think in those environments i can imagine if women are seeing one woman lead with just like no doubts or fears you're gonna be like fuck you I wish I was like that and I personally felt like a lot of it was driven by jealousy which sucks yeah but I think is sadly relatable if you could go back is there anything you would have handled differently in all the drama well I just want to say something first. So before going into the house, I had read something and it was like some book and it was called you're just not that you're there's it was like you're not that great or something like that.

And then just like, no, no, no. But wait, I know. No. But you know what? The the the the meaning behind it meant something to me. And it was just like acknowledging the fact that you're not that great and like I never no wait just wait I don't ever think of myself as like like when you say like like it's weird to me even believing when someone's like oh someone's jealous of you like I don't look at things like that like I went into this bachelor world being like I'm not going to be the prettiest girl in the room I'm not going to be the best dress I'm not going to be the prettiest girl in the room. I'm not going to be the best dress. I'm not going to be the most like exciting to look at or be with. Like I just said, I'm going to be myself. And if it works, it works. Like I was so self-aware going into it. So it's funny that like people see it as like confidence and people see it as like, oh, girls are jealous of you. It's like I genuinely went in there being like, I'm going to be supportive of everyone around, but I'm not also

not going to think I'm that great. Like I want know i love this now i love this message okay where are we going no sorry i fucking suck i'm a piece of shit but like just acknowledging that like you know like just knowing who you are like i'm not i'm not overly confident in that way where i'm like i'm the shit i've never thought that way about myself. I thought all the women were, especially night one going into that house. I was like, there are so many beautiful women around me that I was like, I'm just going to be myself, have fun. And then if it works, it works. And it did. And like, so when girls came after me and being like, oh, she like, people are seeing it as like, oh, you were so confident. That's why I'm like, oh my God. I was like, I never once oh my god I was like I never once I think I

was the prettiest in the room never once did I think I was the best dress that's why after it aired and hearing that like everyone loved my outfits and like everyone thought I was so comfortable I was like damn I love everything you just said and I truly believe though that's where it is confidence what you're talking about and it's I think it's enviable and I think if anyone takes anything from this episode it's that it's like you deciding I can't be what I'm not I'm gonna be myself I exactly I'm me I look how I look I act how I act and like I'm gonna present as I am and if he likes it and they like it great if not who gives a fuck first I do want to talk a little bit about your personal life because yeah I think you you came into this bachelor world and everyone was like who is this firecracker like

who is this girl and where did she came from who is maria yeah have you ever been in love before i've obviously okay okay i had a couple boyfriends i'm gonna say two two boyfriends i'm gonna tell you exactly the number yeah i I don't have that much experience um I always like when I'm with someone I feel loving feelings but like to like when you're out of it you kind of think back and you're like wait was I even in love I don't know I don't think so um because I want to believe when I am I know it's going to be my person kind of thing. I had loving feelings for everyone that I've ever been with.

Yep. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. I think that, no, I think that answers it. I think you would know if you had been in love. Right? You would think. You would know. Okay.

Trust me. That's what I'm thinking. You would know. Okay, what has been your longest relationship? Oh, bitch, you're going to call me right out. Literally, my first boyfriend was like eight months, but I lived with him for three. So it felt like a fucking century. But what? Okay, maybe no, I don't know. Okay, listen, I have never had anything long term. I'm an I'm a problem. No, I'm the problem. When you live with him for three months yeah towards the end of the eight

months and then is that what ended it the beginning you'll be wait hold on hold on hold on you it's been so long it was like seven years ago you dated a guy for eight months you lived with him for three but how did you start living together then stay together but not live together walk me through this okay hold on okay let me think it was so long ago guys it was like seven years ago um we dated and hit it off right away okay and he was living alone i was living with my family and he was like i want to be with you all the time so come sleep at my house and then it turned into me ended up moving like ending up moving in with him. Does that make sense?

And then how did you move out? He cheated on me. Wait. Bitch. What do you think? He fucking cheated on me. Wait, but make this make sense. Okay.

Eight months dating. First three months you're living together. Yeah. He then cheats. You stay? No. No. No. Cheating happens towards the end, honey. dating first three months you're living together yeah he then cheats you stay no no no cheating happens towards the end honey okay okay so then why did you move out it was just because he cheated on me oh okay okay you got your timeline mixed up you said you lived together in the first three months uh-huh okay wait maybe i'm confused hold on wait let me let me backtrack eight months

together eight months together living with him. Okay, so not, I didn't live with him right away. You're right. Okay. You caught me. I lied. I know more about your life than you know about his life. Okay, so he cheats.

How did you find out he cheated? Oh, bitch. No. Tell me everything. Oh, my God. I'm a Virgo. Do you know what Virgos are like? No, tell me more.

I'm an FBI agent. Oh. Like, without being an fbi agent yeah um so basically so because i was living with him right um at the time anyways so um he was in new york with his family i'll never forget this this is actually kind of fucked up okay but it's okay you know what him and i we laugh about this because he found he's like i hope you know i know i knew what you did the entire time we talked about it listen it's better to just laugh it off now but it wasn't a laughing moment at the time but we can laugh about it now anyway so he was in New York with his dad and then um he was like yeah so I was

staying at his place stupid yeah anyways so I'm with I have all my friends over and I remember I was in LA and then Vegas for a wedding I did like a week trip and he was so oh my god Nick plays into this because he hated Nick and Nick hated him fuck that guy though no because he cheated on me but it's fine um so okay let me get back on track hold on okay so I um so I had gone on that trip and he was already questioning me being on that trip being like you're going there to see him blah blah blah I'm like bitch I'm going to a fucking wedding like what is your issue and we're spending a couple more nights in LA after after Vegas I lied we went to Vegas first and then we did the wedding in LA okay there it is it's come on seven years I haven't talked about this shit

ever it's great um and so he was already upset with the whole trip I get back we're good he goes to New York I stay at his place and I invite my friends over. I had this weird feeling because the last couple nights in L.A., he was kind of like quiet, like wasn't really speaking to me. I'm like, bitch, you're my boyfriend. Where the where the fuck? Anyways. No, not like that.

I'm very sweet. But I get what you're saying. When a boyfriend is quiet, you know what? You're checking in on me. And then all of a sudden you're quiet for the next couple days what's going on what the hell's going on so I remember me like okay so I I know I kept that in my notes I was like okay so this time this time he was kind of weird sketch so I get to his place I'm saying he leaves I go to the front desk this is actually kind of smart girls pay attention so I go to the front desk

I'm like oh my god i left for my trip but i as i was waiting for my uber um or whatever i was waiting i don't know what i said i'm like i left my purse on the couch so right outside of his place there's a like a communal area and there was a couch and i was like i left my purse there and i can't find my purse i'm like i need you to like i was sitting here between this time and this time and I told him the times where I felt like he was being off so he so the poor front desk man and by the way man I never outed you even though when you knew I knew what he knew what I was doing in that moment I'll explain but I never outed him never to my ex but now I'm outing you but it's okay you're probably

not even working there anymore um so so I I told him i'm like from this time this time i remember i was sitting there blah i don't know where this purse went and it's like expensive purse i need to know where it is so he's going he turns the the fucking screen to me and he's going through the times and i and i told him he's so he's a little it's fine i told him between i think i said from 11 p.m till 3 a.m i'm like i don't know if you have to check to see if my purse was there and if someone took it. So he's showing me, okay? And I had my girlfriend there. I'll never forget because she fucking screwed it up. I was like game face. I was like, show me the fucking cameras. So I was looking for my purse. All of a sudden, guys, I kid you not, 3.20, I remember the time. It was

like something 3 a.m., 3.20. Don't say that I remember the time. That's kind of weird. But it's fine. A fucking bitch shows up to his door. No. 3 something a.m. And then I'm going like this. This is me.

I'm like this. I keep my mouth shut. My friend goes, and then he, so now the front desk guy sees that there's another girl, like, hey, me, showing up at this time. And then as soon as she fucking gasps,

like, outing me, he turns the camera. He's like, I can't be doing this. I'm sorry. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Don't worry. And he, in that moment, knew that he knew what I was trying to do. And he knew that now he outed my boyfriend for having a girl show up at his place at 3 a.m. while I was gone. But in that moment, I went, no, no fucking way.

And so it gets worse. So I kept my mouth shut you didn't say anything no of course I didn't know poor front desk man I know I never outed him until this day I'm so sorry sir but um to this day never outed him never outed him I go back in I you know actually it's kind of funny I went for a walk I played some music I pretend I was like in a music video like sad cried I don't know I don't know what I did I did some like weird shit but then I went back and then so days later he comes back we're good he throws a party okay okay guys listen to this it gets fucked so he throws a party oh my god poor guy he's probably like gonna watch this and be like listen at the end of the day don't cheat on your girlfriend because one day she's gonna live to tell the tale she's gonna live to tell the the day, don't cheat on your girlfriend because one day she's going to live to tell the tale. She's going to live to tell the fucking tale. So don't cheat on your girlfriend.

Anyways, so he throws a party, family, friends. And remember, I saw that bitch. I saw her. Oh, you're going to wait for the twist at the end. So I saw her. So I knew how she looked. He throws a party, family and friends at his restaurant. He's still in a restaurant.

Oops. Cut that out because that will be very obvious. Okay, let's be real. I only had one fucking ex and everyone knows it's fine but cut it out maybe i don't know keep it in do whatever you want um so so he throws a party family and friends there's a separate table of like randoms i don't know who shows up she does but i keep myself i keep my mouth shut i see him go over to her hug or kiss her so i go perfect that's my in so he comes back i'm like who's that girl that or kiss her so i go perfect that's my in so he comes back i'm like who's that girl that you kiss on the cheek like like who's that it's like oh

she's just a friend like i was just saying hi i'm like okay that was a little like a little much to say hi to a friend right so i'm watching her watching her so later on that night i was like fuck it i'm done i'm done i'm so out like the fact that he's now bringing this girl around me that's the most fucked up part. Casually. And how long had you waited to like, how long is this between you see a week? You saw the video footage. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It wasn't long. I just didn't know how I was going to like, like do it. But I was out. No, but that's like, that's mentally fucked to put your fucking mistress in the same room with your girl. I actually have more tea. Oh my God.

It just keeps flowing oh shit so basically because when he was showing me the cameras i saw a bunch of guys go in first all his friends and then she showed up like hours later at like 3m but they were like i didn't see the friends leave so i was in my head i was like okay maybe this might not be what i think it is and like he's already thinking i'm seeing nick and now so there was so many things where i was like okay i can't overthink because if you're looking at it just based on like what you like how it looks i want to know proof but anyways right but cut that out no make him look bad it's fine no no but i get but okay but i was in my head i was kind of like fuck maybe maybe not you're rationalizing which i was rationalizing you were telling him i'm not cheating on you with nick i'm not seeing

nick i'm literally going to a wedding but he's like I know you have a past with him blah blah then he starts acting sketchy and in your mind you're like is he making this decision because he thinks I was being shady with Nick when I wasn't right and then all of a sudden you see her at 3 a.m and then your brain rationalizes even though you goddamn know well what he was doing showing up at 3 a.m by herself she's there for the after party oh we know what the after party right yeah okay so his peepee his peepee and her fucking pranani yeah 100 anyways so i saw her there and again i didn't say anything whatever and then we got back to the house and i'm like who's that girl and he he just kept being like she was a friend she's a friend i'm like so then why and i and i laid all out there i was like why did she show up at your house at this time this day in a red dress i was like saying it all and

he to this day to this day will say nothing ever happened but want to hear some funny shit please so as a virgo right yeah we're very thorough so i need to get to the nitty-gritty i need to know i was never going to get my answer from him you know so i okay so I I dance okay I take heel classes and I do all that so I met a girlfriend there and she was going out one night and she texted me she's like come meet me I go who you out with she sends me a photo she's with that girl no so I go perfect oh just wait so I'm like perfect I'm gonna meet this girl but again I wasn't gonna go meet her with the intentions to be confrontational no I was just going to see who this girl is i want to meet you i want to look you dead in the eyes you know me i don't know you you don't know that i know you but i know you anyways we hit it off love her oh love

her sweetest fucking girl ever so nice that makes it all so much worse you're like fuck yeah she was great and did she know you were dating him well Well, I mean, do you have an Instagram? It was very fairly obvious. Like there was no excuse on her end. But at the end of the day, I'll never blame the girl ever. He owed something to me. And you never know what they say in the moment. Like, oh, we're on a break.

Yeah. Oh, she's, you know what I mean? Oh, to this day, I am not upset with her. Oh, actually, I'm great friends with her. Oh, so you know what I mean? I always think about when women are like, oh oh my god my husband cheated and fuck this woman and i'm like i swear to god when a man takes off his pants and he's hard and he's staring at a woman and the woman's like wait don't you have a wife or don't you have a girlfriend they're like

she just got run over by a bus she's dead she we buried her last week like she beats me at night where she beats me it's the whole thing yeah they will say whatever they when they look down and they look up they're like whatever i can do to get inside yeah absolutely we can't blame the women yeah yeah okay so so you're dancing so we're friends we become friends at night and then to the point where like we're like hanging out and we're us three to the point where i even okay this is actually psychotic yeah go ahead go ahead it's call her daddy nothing is that crazy okay so i i one night we were all out and i was a little drunk and and I'm like, I need to see if this girl's a good kisser.

Only because I was like, I want to see. I'm obsessed with you. I was like, no, I want to know what the fuck she has that I don't, that this all happened. So I made out with her one night. But to this day, we were totally, it was all jokes, whatever, blah, blah, blah. It's fine. I love women. I love men.

I love men more. But it's fine. It women i love men i love men more but it's fine it's fine i just did it for my own sanity again virgos we're fucked you wanted to understand what you were missing right i wanted to know what he was dealing with if i had anything like i don't know i don't know what the hell i just did it because i need to do it she knows all this now okay okay so then so then so we became friends like really good friends like we're all good whatever and one night she calls me okay guys listen to this and mind you I had broken up with him I said what I said to him he denied it he doesn't know now that I'm like having a friendship with this girl okay she calls me she's like Maria I need to see you I'm like yeah

come over she comes over she starts to cry she's like I have to be honest about something she's like Maria I love you like you're such a good person like I just like I feel like I have to be honest about something she's like Maria I love you like you're such a good person like I just like I feel like I need to be honest about something I go let me stop you right there I knew this entire time it was like a whole like this could be a movie this could be a movie and I could be the whole episode oh my god I know right anyways no just long long story short I just basically said to her I'm like listen like I met you with intention to see who you were as a person. I loved you that night. You were so fun, so sweet. Like, at the end of the day, I didn't hold anything against you because my ex, he was supposed to respect me and like, not do that back to Joey. Back to Joey. Yep. Joey, joey the bachelor yeah so you had never brought a guy home in your life is this real that became okay here's the thing okay i think we were

it's like the semantics of it it's like yes have men met my dad and like my like my parents yes my ex met my parents but have i ever brought them into my home where my like my family met like no yeah but like have they met my parents and the people that matter yeah sure did I introduce my brothers no like like the entire family no but my parents yes and like my friends absolutely always but like the idea of just like it was just just yeah I didn't bring them home but it doesn't mean that they weren't like acquainted with my parents and like people that matter to me. It's just like, it was the idea of just like, it's the first guy that I'm going to introduce

to everyone all at once. Got it. Does that make sense? Yes, completely. Okay. Do you think you and Joey would have actually made it in the real world? Um, it would have been great as friends. Like we were so like funny together where we like like the same movies, like have the same banter. But and we obviously like to like we liked each other.

But I don't I you know, I don't know. I don't know. I think him and Kelsey make such a good match because he was always one to always kind of need reassurance. Does that mean to say? It's not mean to say because that's what he was very vocal about on the season. And I think that like Kelsey is the kind of woman that gives it to him, but like also is very confident and gets it to from him. Like, I don't know.

They work so perfectly together. I don't know how to explain it, but I've never seen two people so into each other. It just worked I don't know if I could have given him what exactly what he wanted all the time and so um I don't know but I I think that we were great friends yeah what's something that a guy could do that would immediately give you the ick oof dance oh shit i don't you know here's the thing i don't mind okay you know you know have you ever seen those guys who like start breaking out into dance but they're so bad but they think they're so good when are they breaking out into dance like give me that's the problem

they do no wait look where bitch anywhere there's a fucking tune i don't know here's the thing here's the thing like but here's the thing this is where the difference lies okay like when they're dancing but being silly and like just owning that they're bad but there's some that are so bad but they think they're good yeah that's where i get the full ick that's where i'm like oh my god my don't you're not it no that's that makes sense okay what's the craziest thing an ex has ever done to you? Date 32 women at the same time. Sorry. Bachelor. Wait, I thought you, oh my God.

I didn't, I didn't get that at first. I was like. Yeah, this happened more than once in my life. No, just the bachelor. Fuck, I literally did. Okay. Oh my God. Yeah.

Can we talk about that? How did you deal with the jealousy? Okay. So here's the thing. And I'm going to be very, very honest with you. In that moment. Oh, fuck. Should I say it?

Mm-hmm. Should I say it? Mm-hmm. You should always say whatever comes to your brain, sweetie. I'm on a roll tonight. It's like 1 o'clock in the afternoon. I'm going to be honest about something. I know tonight.

Whatever, today. So I'm going to be honest about something. I know tonight, whatever today. So I'm gonna be honest with something. So Jen and I, Jen and I, so Jen kissed him on the group date. Okay. I went up to her because I just like, you know, when you're very self-aware, like, you know, your place and things. And I just knew Joey and I were never going to be end game. Yes.

Could I have made it further? Sure. A hundred percent. Like we had that connection. I just didn't think I was going to be end game and he was going to be endgame. Yes. Could I have made it further? Sure. 100%. Like we had that connection. I just didn't think I was going to be endgame and he was going to be endgame for me. And so I told Jen that day that I was going to use that as an excuse to leave Joey. Use what? That she kissed him? That's this is tea. This is tea, bitch. We walk me through what you're talking about. So there's a scene where Jen kisses Joey. And that's where I'm like, Jen kiss Joey. I am disgusted. But I you know, I was very close to her and I just felt like I needed a way out. And it wasn't it had nothing to do with him joey is great like joey is actually such a catch and that's why i'm so happy like i think finding happiness was like knowing that

he's happy with someone that loves him so much and that i was i'm so happy for him i just knew it was never going to be me and so i was like i need a way out and so i used jen kissing him in that moment that pissed me off as an excuse to leave okay can i say what i'm getting from that as i think that now with reality television there's in a beautiful way there's so much more that people understand yeah that these environments are so fucking heightened and there's you're in this bubble and you are feeling feelings that maybe you wouldn't feel on the outside world or maybe you are feeling feelings but they're heightened because of and so I can imagine that the moment you started to realize like maybe I'm actually

not endgame and maybe we're better as friends and maybe there's still doubts in your head if you're right or wrong then you see him the next day and you're like, oh, but he's so cute. And like, and then there's also- And when he fights for you to stay, you're kind of like, okay, shit, maybe I'm like misguided. I need to be in this. And that's kind of how I felt during hometowns. I was like, he fought for me so hard,

whether they showed the entirety of that and that's fair. But in that moment, he did fight for me to stay. And so when it came to hometowns, I'm like, okay, I'm dropping my walls. I'm giving this my all. But like that moment in jasper when i was trying to leave it was it was a little bit of a i was just trying to give him a way out because i'm gonna be honest now that you're saying it it makes more sense because again to context if people didn't watch that episode you're sitting on the couch with him you're basically saying like I can't do this anymore I am jealous I'm seeing you kiss other women like I can't handle it I

knew what I signed up for yes yeah and I think you could tell though there was something else going on because you were being kind of sporadic of like you're walking back and forth you're like I can't do this Joey and you could tell like that wasn't the real reason and you could tell he was so confused that you could tell that I could tell but I reason. And you could tell he was so confused. Well, it's good that you could tell that. I could tell that. I'm also like. A lot of people were speculating and I was like, guys. But I feel like that's what my job is to do is just like read people sitting across from me. And you do a really fucking good job.

Thank you. But on TV, I was immediately like, this is not, this is not the whole story. So you knew kind of in that moment, maybe it's time for me to go. And then he fought for you, which maybe you're saying we didn't see the whole extent to which he fought yeah you did you didn't you didn't and then we get to hometowns and then that was kind of because I was like I don't want to say I was like forced to believe but I I mean you want to believe someone's actions and like how hard he fought for me that night where I was like okay you know what I need to get my head in the game like I do feel good great things about him I think he's great and I am in it but I didn't know where he

was at and there was like there was some sort of disconnect but when he fought for me so hard I was like okay this is like something that could be real and Maria like stop fucking this up yeah and so at hometowns where I fully dropped my walls and then i got sent home and i was like okay okay this is why i protect myself yeah so i'm like and that's what i've kind of learned like i've become accustomed to like being disappointed by men and this has nothing nothing to do with joey i don't when i talk like this it has nothing to do with joey because he was just doing his part in the show and like he had more stronger feelings for other women and that's fine but um I just feel like when I turn to like protecting myself where I'm like almost um self-sabotaging I feel like it's like

self-protection got it because aside from Joey have you ever been in a situation where you told someone you loved them and they didn't say it back more like they come on strong in the beginning and like they're like all in and i push them away and then when it gets to the point where they're like i can't okay you know you keep pushing me away i'm actually gonna go and then when they actually go i'm like wait i didn't mean that i was just joking get your ass over here and they're like i don't know if i can like they don't believe me anymore and i i but then in the end like i said i something happens where i'm like there's a reason why i was pushing them away in the beginning right because i they they do something where i'm like

they weren't even i don't know if i even believe them to begin with but there's been times where like they come on strong and it's like we're never there at the same time i'll say that i think that's a naturally you will get to a point where i don't believe that it's going to happen at the same time where i'm not going to do that but you're what you're doing maria is you're testing them to see in your brain you think pushing them away yeah i'll see if they stay if they say but what you're going to eventually stop doing because that's not healthy is you'll realize oh you're pushing them away and they're like okay i'll leave like you can only push so much someone away to the point where they're like okay you're and imagine if you just didn't oh I had an epiphany recently I'm not joking like a whole like I'm like a whole different person when now like when I'm going to

open up to someone and like I feel it initially and that that initial attraction to me is so hard to come by like I don't just have it for anyone but when I do I'm not playing those games like I've learned now the hard way and so for me I'm so open to just letting myself be happy for the first time where I realize that this is what I want amazing yeah so that's what I'm saying like you know shit has happened in the past but I grow from it every totally but I will say because I want to make sure you know like I'm not judging you like no no literally until Matt like that is that was my game i would be like oh my god i'm gonna make sure he really fucking likes me by giving never giving him anything hard they go so hard and it definitely does something to your ego you're like oh my god

like i know like so hard i'm like holy shit like you love it coming right yeah but it's not it's not good and then when they turn around you're like we get back here what are you doing and it's like bitch you have been literally destroying me for the past couple months yeah I've been trying everything I sent you flowers I'm so sweet I take you to dinners and you give me nothing and now when I leave now you want me yeah fuck you yeah it's a very immature you know like I I'm done with that song and dance like I'm really over it and so I think it needed to happen for the last time for me to be like okay wake your shit up because you are capable of so much. And like, I know what I bring to the table and like what I can offer someone.

So doing that kind of game is just it's not cutting it anymore. And I don't I don't even want to do that anymore because it hurts me to hurt someone else. Well, I think what was positive to see is like, I feel like we like watched you grow on The Bachelor. Oh, absolutely. When you were like, fuck, maybe I do have to let my walls down like yes because Joey kept being like do you like me I know hello and you're like I don't know like we'll see tomorrow and it was like it was so classic what you're describing and I think it's so relatable because I think it's like this want

to not be vulnerable and you want to make sure they like you before you're vulnerable with them but for you to actually know if you guys like each other you have to be vulnerable in the fucking first place yeah so you can't be like walls up the whole time and i think that like i mean correct me if i'm wrong like i feel like you left the bachelor in a better position for your love life because you're like i now know yep what i'm gonna move forward and i'm what i'm gonna do when i meet someone that i'm actually attracted to i'm not not going to make them think I hate them. I know. I know. I have to let them know. I know a hundred percent. And like, um, being on the bachelor, it showed my friends and family that I am a lot more emotional than they've ever seen me. That was the, probably

the hardest thing watching it back was having my friends and family see how much I cried. Cause I don't cry. I, that's just not my thing. I am not that girl. And so they couldn't even believe it. They're like, holy shit. Like, but it was, it was a lot more than just crying over a guy. It was like, I was being, I felt like I was at war at times where it was like just so many things accumulate into one where I was like, okay, I'm, I'm so drained, but I did, it opened me up and it, it allowed me to know that it's okay to be vulnerable and to let my feelings out. And it's better sooner than later because a guy that likes you and wants something with you should know how you feel because that's the only way your guys are going to move forward. And I, I totally get it now. now everything you're saying I think led to this

perfect yeah obvious next step which is we need to talk about the bachelorette oh yes because we watch you almost as like your character arc is like you come in and you're like your walls are up and you're kind of falling for this guy but you don't know if you can because you don't if he likes you and then you let him in and then you get heartbroken but you learn so much and like we're all rooting for you I felt like America was rooting for you and America was absolutely devastated when you were not announced as the bachelorette yeah um were you offered the role as bachelorette? Were you offered the role as bachelorette obviously i have been trying my hardest to stay silent about this but i think that moving forward and if i'm going to be in this world like

i have to be honest especially with the people who have supported me and the answer is yes yeah I was offered the role I mean um it was mine until I said it wasn't and yeah it became very overwhelming to the point where I had to decline so thank you for sharing yeah how far along were you in the process of like becoming the bachelorette until you pulled out? Yeah. Well, I to the point where I was doing fittings like it was set in stone. I was in it. Yeah. Again, like, you know, bringing up Jen and all of this like I, you know, she was one of my closest girls in the house and she was always verbalizing how badly she wanted this and when everyone around me was so supportive of me being in this position and everyone wanted this for me I kind of took a second I'm like why am I not happy why am I not excited about this and it took me like realizing that it's just not my time where I was like, guys, respectfully, I need to decline. I need to take a step back.

I was not in the red, right, right headspace for this, especially knowing that like, because I know the extensive process it was to be on the show. Right. So having a bunch of guys do the exact same thing and they're there for me, I didn't want to waste anyone's time. Um, and honestly, like, yeah, it was, it was hard for me to kind of jump right back into it honestly I mean I think I can be honest like yeah you were about to come on the show and we were gonna announce you as a bachelorette yeah what like a month ago yep and that I remember I was gonna have you on on like a Monday and on like Sunday, I get the call, like Maria went back to Toronto.

Yeah. What were those like next few days like once you turned it down? Yeah, no, I, the one thing about having such a great like production behind you and like my producers were so supportive of me and like just being open and honest of where I was mentally and how I felt about everything, you know, like everyone was so

excited and I know what the season could have been like and it would have been great. I just was not ready. And, you know, coming back home, I just, when I say that I just wanted to come back home, back to reality and just take time off from all of this like I meant it and I think people saw that and recognized that I wasn't posting as much and like I was not speaking on things because as much as like I wanted my time off but I also wanted Jen to have her moment and like she is the most perfect bachelorette in my eyes. Like, I couldn't think of anyone better to do this. And she was so ready for it. And that was enough for me to kind of say, yeah, this is it's not my time. It was it was a hard time because everyone again, everyone was

so wanting this for me. But I I just I just needed to be home with my family and friends and take that time off, to be honest. When you saw how devastated America was, like, how did it make you feel? Yeah. I mean, a part of me obviously was so grateful. And like, I like when people even come up to me and ask for a photo or talk to me and like, me off I'm like I'm in awe of you like I don't deserve this I'm just so appreciative of it and like that was one thing that kind of kept me going in this in this process because I was like I want to do this for them you know like I want to do this for the people that love and support me but in my time like that's not doing it for the right reasons okay but. But when you say you, it wasn't your time and you weren't ready. Yeah. You're saying you weren't. Yeah. Why? Like I, I need to understand a little bit more. Like why, why did you turn it down? Well, okay. Like I, what people saw on the,

on their screens was only the half of what I kind of went through in the house. Like, yes, did I have time off before it aired? Yes. But again, everything was so like, I was so anxious throughout the whole thing. Um, and I get it. It would have been my own show. It would have been me kind of having like more control over things. But again, like it's so isolating being in there and I would have have to give up my phone again my freedom like not my freedom but you know like having to be alone in that and I don't I just wasn't I wasn't comfortable I wasn't just mentally prepared for it I think that's I appreciate you sharing that because again I think it's like so many of the women from this season would have been amazing bachelorette yeah and Jen though is the perfect

pick she's gonna be a question she's gonna be great and you would have been great and it would have been completely different seasons but I appreciate you saying and I think I wish I think what you're doing more people should take note of is like you're not running for the clout and the fame like there was an obvious answer of like you would be on tv for another how many episodes and everyone would see your face and you'd be on posters and billboards yeah and you prioritize it you're like i literally am so fucking anxious and i don't feel good and i'm gonna prioritize that over getting my bag to the right hundred percent hundred percent like that never interests me interested me to begin with going on the show and I wasn't ready to milk my

15 minutes like I when I like I remember Wells um he's he was like I don't know he did the bartending on yeah so he went out on a podcast and he was saying that I had all these expectations that I had all these um I don't know whatever the requirements and asks. Yes. And that one was, I wanted my phone the entire time and I wanted my friend to be a producer. And it's like, like I wanted so badly to shut that shit down. But again, I just didn't think it was my time and right place, but like, and he was like, Oh, everyone's going to forget about her and Daisy. Like, like this is the, this is going to be their biggest regret biggest regret forget about me like I am so at the end of the day I have to do what's best for me and if that's what like it's it was so

disheartening to hear someone who knows this process knows what they put us through like not what they put us through but like knows like how like intense it is like you have to be fully committed like knows like how mentally draining and like physically draining this could be to like say something like that it's like shut the fuck up literally shut the fuck up like you don't know me you don't know me and like i'm a very respectful person so that that went so against my character and i want so badly to speak up on that because it's so not true like everyone knows you get your phone taken away and that's it right um well it's also just like so tacky it's like he's been in this franchise for so long right

it's like did you ask maria if that those were her requests right you hear it through the grapevine because if those weren't your request phone right like don't speak on shit that you don't know about and also not to be a dick but it seems like i'm sure wells would have loved to be the bachelor back in his day i'm saying but that's what i'm saying but here's the thing you know it's it's kind of like contradicting for you to say i'm going to be forgotten because i'm not bachelor but then where do you stand you were never bachelor right so are you forgotten well i don't know you so you're forgotten in my head but like no that's kind of mean don't say that i'm sorry wells come make me a drink babe but um at the end of the day, I'm just saying like I would never say that about someone else.

No, it's a great point. I support whatever anyone else wants to do. If they, if they're, at the end of the day, what I wanted people to understand why I took my break was like, they would say, okay, you know, it was fairly obvious. Everyone wanted me as Bachelorette. Obviously, I was going to be asked. I think that was obvious. So if I didn't do it,

there had to be a reason and had to be because of me and because I had to take a step back. So for him to say it was because of this and the other thing, like, Wells, Wells, that's all I got to say. I just didn't like it. I was like, I like just talk to me and you know what asked me and I would tell you, you know, this is not, but like it I was like I like just talk to me and you know what asked me and I would tell you you know this isn't that but like I'm not a I don't disrespect especially the team that was there for me who was who were leaving their families for me to like be there by my side like I respect them so freaking much and that it broke my heart because I knew how badly everyone again everyone wanted it no I agree with you on the

Wells thing I think it's just like a dumb comment made by someone who like clearly would have he's speaking from what he would have done and we're like we know Wells you would have loved to be bachelor back in the day but I don't think he thinks he's irrelevant so like why do you have to be irrelevant if you don't take the bachelorette in different ways like we have other things that we would like to do and if it means me going back to reality, going back to my day to day, what does that have to do with you? And don't, don't talk negative about it. Like, it's okay. This, this, this, I understand I was on a reality show, but I, it was real life to me too. Like I, if I want to go back home and just go back to me,

I am able to do that and I wanted to do it and I did it done okay now that we're not going to see you on the show we're not going to get to see you date 32 men no what is going on in your dating life are you single I'm so single okay I'm so single um are we going to see you in bachelor in paradise no paradise no paradise no okay so how are you approaching your dating life right now um you know i just want to meet someone organically is that the word yeah um like old school you know i just want someone to like come up to me while i'm grocery shopping or at a bookstore even though i don't read i'll just be there one day like i just want to meet someone the way like i don't know back in the day no social media i know my dms are open tell me nothing who have you gotten dms from shut up

shut up look at that you i can already tell when you're lying to me your jaw just says no one no i swear who's in there you are you hooking me up who's in there do you want to look at my dms give her my phone have you not gotten a celebrity dm yet from who who who tell me who who has messaged you from who who stands i'm married i know who have you gotten dms from come on um like just bachelor nation oh give us one come on no but the the golden bacheloretes what i didn't say the golden bachelor i'm like no no no the golden bachelorettes like people who support me they you know what man it has always been no none bitch can you hook me up no i've been peters if you're watching this i saw you at coachella and i did not like that um But I'm open. Wait, the guy that played Dahmer?

Yeah. He don't say that. He was in so many other fucking things. Sorry. You're going to let people know that I'm interested in fucking Dahmer? Not Dahmer. Are you into like kinky shit like that in the bedroom? No, no, no, no.

But I like horror, right? So he's like the horror icon of our generation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. He's so hot. Okay, so no guys in your DMs except for Bad Generation. No, can you get guys in my dms maybe but i don't want that though you want to meet someone at stagecoach this weekend

you're dancing in the moonlight post-mode alone is singing you're like oh and then someone grabs your arm is he gonna grab my arm no oh my god wait a second what are you that flexible i could be no i could be guys uh i'm flexible take note are you doing splits on the um pp i i could be hey why not wait do you flip on that shit do you use your dance moves in the bedroom no No. No. No. Just your flexibility. Just my flexibility. Yes. Yeah. I can throw my leg behind my head. You guys hear that?

DMs are open. I'm joking. I don't want fucking DMs. I really don't. Guys, I'm not kidding. Who would you answer in your DMs except for Dahmer? Who else? Not Dahmer, man.

Evan Peters. Sorry, Evan Peters. Sorry. Oh my God. Okay. Who would I? I don't know. Someone who's sweet kind um ready for a relationship no games um i don't know who do you think i should answer i need to think about that i'm trying to think if matt has any friends so we can keep it yeah i like i don't like a guy like i

used to think i wanted a guy with like a, big, big personality. Yeah, no. But we're going to clash. No, they need to shut the fuck up and let us be the stars. Yes. I learned that soon. I was like, okay, when I started really reading on my Leo chart, I was like, oh, I can't have- You're Leo? Leo.

Bitch. Full. I'm rising Leo. Yeah, there we go. What are you, rising what? I think there could be a Virgo in there or I'm just saying that to make you excited. Wait, so what's your boyfriend, husband? He's an- Husband. He's an Aries and it works perfectly it works perfectly because it does fire and fire yeah it's great but he's like he's great he's i just run the house and then he's great well he's

great because he got you because he's like dominant but not in the way that like i actually have the last word but that's what i'm saying he's a man i want i want a man but who lets me have your fucking yeah like have your independence and like don't be terrified of your success and like when you're in a room, he's like, go do your thing, babe.

Yes, because they know at the end of the day, you're going to make them feel like the biggest man in that fucking room. Yes, yes, boom. Okay, we're going to play a game. Since you're now dating,

I'm going to give you a scenario. Am I dating? Okay, go. Okay, well you're dating. Well, you're trying to. Okay, I'm going to give you a scenario that could happen on a, okay, what?

Sorry, I'm like, I'm not trying that hard. Okay, I'm going to give you a scenario that could happen on a okay what sorry i'm like i'm not trying that hard okay i'm gonna give you a scenario okay yeah that could happen on a first couple dates with someone and you're gonna tell me what you would do go ahead he subtly flexes how much money he makes oh i pay the bill and leave make it feel low take his balls and come right off take your money and go impress mother bitch okay wait wait wait wait what no i love it no i love it this is great is there any scenario where it would be hot if someone's flexing about their money no never absolutely never and you know what the richest people know not to say i know all the richest people but they know they don't flaunt it that way and the people that do don't actually have it i like a guy who's modest modest modest no well

not money like i want you to spend money right no but i mean like i don't need him to talk about it like who are you trying to impress like it's almost like you want to know he's wealthy through what he says of like oh my god like i can't wait to take you to paris this summer we have to go and you're immediately like huh like what airline are we flying yeah yeah yeah yeah you got this like like it's through the contextual clues you know he's wealthy yes not by him like flexing on you and you're like you definitely don't have that much if you're talking about how much money you have you don't have that much money i i have no interest in hearing it so 100 okay he texts back way too fast like every single time time. Oh, no. Yeah.

I don't play games like that. When I see the text, I answer. No, Maria. Hold on. I'm not kidding. Answer that text fast or else. No, I'm being serious. Do not wait on it.

Hold on. What if it's like literally every single time you press enter, he's already typing. Oh, type. Type. Type. Why? Why not? He's that eager. I mean, he's there's there i mean that to me shows you're not playing

games like if you here's the thing but he doesn't have a job like okay no no no no no no okay no no but here let me say if you see the text and you answer i like it i don't need like obviously yes the man should have a fucking job and he shouldn't be seeing his phone right away but i mean for the most part like yeah like when you see it i don't i don't find it hot you waiting hours to respond yes we don't need two business days go by and then it's like i'm sorry just saw that but if you're busy do your thing okay he's very into sexting um where are we at in the relationship like a couple months so we're dating yeah and we're exclusive oh i don't know well i'm only gonna sex you if we're exclusive okay good to know really weirdly i feel like i look back at the dates and i'm like

i feel like i was sexting when i was like getting towards exclusive oh no i know exclusive with you because i i i have fun sexting you do have fun sexting see i felt like it was like exhausting if because usually the guys that i talk to aren't from toronto and so it's long distance so sexing is what keeps us close oh not facetime sex oh i mean all of the above okay so you don't mind a little sexed yeah but not all the time at all like you want to just like you want it to be like special and sporadic and like keep it exciting. But yeah. OK. He leaves a toothbrush at your apartment after a few weeks of seeing you, but never says

anything about it. I throw it out. The fuck is this here? I wouldn't even notice if you throw it out and be like, the fuck? That's it. No, no. Honestly, I would be like, well, first of of all why don't you have a place and why aren't i leaving mine at yours and also you know what i find as i'm asking you this question quite

strange like how'd the toothbrush get there like i know what the fuck he put in his pocket he's like no no that would be a little weird because probably if you're not like you probably were at dinner or you're at the bar yeah so with this motherfucker keeping it in the back pocket, like poking out the whole time. Yeah. No, I would be like. A little grossed out. I'd be like. I don't know.

It's never happened, but I'll let you know when it does. Yeah. Unless he has like veneers and he like is like, oh, my God, my teeth. My teeth will stain if I don't get this white wine off or red wine off them. Like, I don't know. The kind of thing. He travels. That's a turn off.

He travels with a toothbrush because his veneers. No, no, no. His wine off them. Like, I don't know. The kind of thing. He travels, that's a turn off. He travels with a toothbrush because his veneers. No, no, no. His mom's like a dentist. No, I, I, I, that's a, no. Okay, so we're not appreciating if a guy leaves a toothbrush. You're just, you're just talking. I don't, I don't think I would think too much.

I mean, there would need to be a conversation. I can't imagine a guy just like slipping it in there. But I, I think if he did slip it in there without a conversation, I would be like what the fuck have you ever hooked up with a guy that when you went to his house and his bathroom there was another one yeah or there's it's like fully stocked ready to go for like a woman post no but that's a little fucking weird it's weird i've been there before i've been there before and i'm like like what are you a sexer on the go no sexer on the go like what are you like a fucking fucker on

the go the fucker on the go like he's ready he's equipped i mean you got the baby wipes oh my god he's got like the makeup wipe okay you know what stop this right now this is what i will say if a guy has his entire bathroom stocked for a girl if it's a one-night stand i'm like thank you thank you that i can take my makeup off i can like put my tampon imagine if he's tampons um but well that'd be confusing but if you're seeing him in a way that you like him i would be like no fuck this shit yeah i agree oh my god you want to hear sorry yeah so i was seeing this guy this is before the show and i went to his house and he had a his and her sink and his he had moved out and he moved to this new place i'll never

fucking forget this so he had his and her sink and then I walk into the bathroom and there's his sink it's all his shit and then there's a random toothbrush in the her sink so I go what the fuck is that he's like oh it's mine I I use I swear to god this was this was his excuse I almost want to puke he's like oh no it's mine I I use two separate toothbrushes one that's a little bit hard bristles bristles or the fuck and one that's softer i go like i don't know do i look like i'm stupid okay don't answer that but i don't fuck with me right now he went to the extent of grabbing the toothbrush and using it to prove to me that he does use it and i went you just did the most and you're embarrassing so goodbye it's actually like regardless of if he's lying or if he's telling the truth both are awful right both are why was it on that side why wasn't your fucking just put them in the

same ugly ass stupid messy side put both of your toothbrushes in the same cup you're fucking in the same area yeah yeah liar okay he vents to you about his ex on one of the first few dates you know what um i like this i like to do this thing where i i call it um honesty hour it's actually a hidden thing that i like i get every guy with it to be honest girls take notes um so i like to hang out with guys casually very casual let them know we're like we're friends we're gonna like see where this goes kind of thing let's have a bottle of wine and let's ask each other anything and like let's not judge each other on this so i usually ask that i'll say what are or if your ex can describe you in any way how would it be because

i like to know i want to see how they're going to a talk about their ex if it's going to be in a nice way but also i want to know what they would think that their ex would say about them so just like kind of opening that up and like letting them know it's a comfortable setting to like talk about that um but if they're opening up about their ex randomly without me asking i'd be like girl girl i would call him girl no but i'd be like listen i think you need to send her a text and say you're sorry because you're still hung up on it i'm not interested yeah time for me to go but um i don't know i i wouldn't want to know okay wait honesty hour i'm kind of loving it. Yeah. This is my problem. First of all, I feel like every single time that a guy, okay, this is my experience.

They're still not being honest. This is my problem. Every fucking time. I think that girls always want to fucking know about a guy's past. I'm like, when I met Matt, I was like, tell me every single ex you have. Show me their Instagram. Who are they? Then some of them, I was like, oh my God.

Like, whoa, you dated her. Oh my God. And then he never asks in return. Oh my my god because they don't want to know but i like that though because it bothers them so much so they don't want to know a guy who's like show me show me i know there there's you're right it's like let me make you jealous like ask they want to know and then they don't ask i i can see why they wouldn't want to know because i in my mind this is the way my thought process would be is that they like me so much that they can't imagine me with anyone else i believe that and i actually know not at all it's not right but then there's also the the other guy who would be like no show me every single one and he's like weirdly

like obsessive and like yeah um wants to like take ownership of you and wants to know like i i like the guy who would be like you know what i don't even want to see it no i love the guy that does that i remember matt did that to me on the date i was like so do you are you gonna i know i could show you this guy sends me it breaks such confidence but such confidence but sometimes i'm like motherfucker let me make you jealous right okay second question is when you ask them oh what would your exes say about you what do you think maria if i ask you what would all of your exes say about you oh fuck i don't like this turning on me um i think they would say that i'm honest um that i'm loyal and i can be

um a little nuts at times. I love the honesty. What a shocker, right? Nuts me? I don't think so. Self-aware. Self-aware. So you're not doing The Bachelorette.

Where are we going to see you? Like, we've got to see you more often. I would love to be seen more often. No, actually, you know what? I'm not kidding you when I say this. Like, I'm taking it step by step. Like, this, like, you, I wanted to be on this podcast this was my first step and now what I'm gonna do moving forward I don't know yeah I really don't know and so to give an answer but I'm sure people will see more of me yeah I think that's a great answer like I can imagine like this is very overwhelming

right so like you had a pretty normal life before all this does your dad really make uh sprinkles sprinkles yeah that's kind of cool i know and every time i say sprinkles they're like sprinklers i'm like no no guys the shapes and sugars you see on baked goods but people don't get it but someone has to do it do you like sprinkles i you know my dad owned a chocolate factory before the sprinkles and i wasn't a big chocolate eater i know i'm not like a dessert girl i'm not like he did like chocolate covered almonds everything and so um but as for sprinkles yeah i mean do i usually put sprinkles on things yes i'm gonna say yes because i own a sprinkle company but um listen we everyone you need it we need it we need it we need it thanks dad gotta do it so

so you're going to stage thanks papa what are you gotta do it so you're going to stage papa what are you going to do it who are you going to stage coach with the sisters from my show iconic girls love they are the best you told me you were going with your sisters and i was like who you have sisters well they are like my sisters now who are you going with what are the names uh lauren and allison hollinger okay and sal do you love country music i i i um oh i'm i i like country music but am i the biggest fan no you're kind of like a nickelback girl i love nickelback bitch i knew it bitch i cannot wait to see nickelback i'm so excited no i literally love nickelback and i don't get why they have such a bad rep because i don't know it makes it's like't get why they have such a bad rep because

i don't know it makes it's like me why do i have such a bad rep i don't get it either i i nickelback i'm with you but um not after this episode i feel like we really kind of covered it all we didn't cover anything i feel like you we need to like we need to do 19 more of these to actually get through it all but i truly had so much fun with you today i think you're even better in person you're so fun to be around you have insane stories i do and yeah there's so many more that i actually yeah i'm not gonna say it what no no no no we'll save it we'll save it we'll save it for something else yes maybe you'll do one day oh maybe i have an idea oh well i'm interested in hearing more okay maria thank you so much for coming on call her daddy it was

truly a pleasure and it was very fun pleasure's all mine love you i love you Bye.