Call Her Daddy - Megan Fox: Burned at the Stake

Episode Date: March 20, 2024

Join Alex in the studio for a sit-down interview with Megan Fox where nothing is off limits. Megan sets the record straight on some of the craziest rumors she’s heard about herself - like being in the Illuminati, performing Satanic rituals, and what plastic surgeries she’s had done. She talks about her childhood, dysfunctional family dynamic, and how she never really fit in at school. Megan gets real about feeling different from everyone else and how that often left her feeling lonely. She opens up about her complicated relationship with her body, when she first started to criticize it, and why she’s never felt like a “sex symbol.” Megan discusses all the ways she’s been hyper-sexualized and brutally bullied by the media throughout her career and why she’s nearing her breaking point. Finally, she discusses the toxic romantic relationships she’s had in her past and even gives insight into her current relationship with MGK. Daddy Gang, get ready to learn so much about Megan Fox and truly see a side of her you’ve never seen before… Enjoy!This episode includes discussions of disordered eating, intimate partner violence, and descriptions of sexual violence. Please keep this in mind when deciding if, how and when you’ll listen. For resources on these topics, visit spotify.com/resources.The National Domestic Violence Hotline provides free, confidential support 24/7. Call 1-800-799-SAFE, or visit TheHotline.org.

what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy megan fox welcome to call her daddy thank you i am so happy we are doing this tonight same and i say tonight which is crazy i have never done an interview this late in my life. It's 10 o'clock at night. Are you a night owl? No, but I find that interesting because you've interviewed so many rappers and I refuse to believe that they showed up on time or in the daylight. Okay. Offset didn't show up on time, but it was the daylight. But no, I have never done a late night interview, but I do feel like it's kind of a vibe. You might end up loving it well I was gonna say guys it's raining right now there's thunderstorms in LA we've got candles going this makes sense for a Megan Fox episode when you are like late night by

yourself your kids are asleep what is your favorite thing to do at night usually well I usually stay by the fire and I like to read and i read a lot of metaphysical books but right now i'm reading whatever that new like adult version of twilight book that's out it's like a erotic fairy book wait isn't it like the king of or the thorn court of thorns yeah i'm reading that wait does it like kind of make you horny? I haven't gotten to the horny part yet, but I know that I'm going to get there because I know that he has like the ability to bind her energetically with magic. And I'm already like, I'm here for that.

That'll do it for you. Yeah. I remember my friend was reading it. She was like, Alex, I'm not kidding you. I keep waking my boyfriend up in the middle of the night because I'm like, I'm reading about fairies, but something get me going. I'm like I'm reading about fairies but something get me going I'm like I don't understand it maybe I need to read it I'm not there yet but

I feel like you should and it's definitely a lot more interesting than most of the like psychological textbooks that I read by the fire at night you're reading textbooks over there sometimes you enjoy that can't say I enjoy it I think that I do it out of I made like a really clear decision when I was young to avoid the pitfalls or like the traps of social media or just internet usage in general and so I kind of go out of my way and maybe it's annoying to be this way but to counter that by attempting to educate myself by the way I didn't graduate high school so I think a lot of that is just like pursuing things that I'm interested in and wanting to have as much information about it as possible and trying to

not become just like a plebeian or like a mindless brainwashed sheep? I think most of us today are mindless sheep because I feel that way sometimes when I'm on social media too much. I'm like, what is happening up here? Like I'm not, when is the last time I had an original thought? I'm mindlessly scrolling. Yeah.

We got to get it together. It gives me anxiety. I have group chats with my friends and they'll send me links to things, but I don't keep like the Instagram app downloaded or anything like that. But even just like if they send me a link to something on Twitter and I open the Twitter website, just the energy from the website gives me so much anxiety that I feel like I immediately

contract like ADHD and I can feel how I'm not able, my thoughts are not able to sustain the same way. And that's just from being exposed to it for like five seconds 30 seconds yeah like get me the fuck out of here so I can't imagine like what it's doing to everyone especially like younger kids that are starting so early with cell phones it's actually terrifying of that you have like a whole new sleeve tattoo on instagram yeah what was the story? Like, how did you decide to do that? Well, I back when I dyed my hair from the Auburn colored red that it was to this color, it was like a bright red. During that metamorphosis, I decided I had bought these weird. I became a victim of Timu. Wait, what? Do you know what that happened?

Yes, only because of Super Bowl. Someone introduced me to Timu and I was like, what is this though? And I was victimized and I ordered a bunch of like stick on tattoos and like fun things to do with my kids. And some of them were fake sleeves because I was like, oh, my kids will love to do this. And I did it on me. And I was like, oh, my kids will love to do this. And I did it on me. And I was like, wow, I love it. And I instantly made an appointment to get my arm done. And I started it, but the artist I was working with had a different vision than what I wanted. And so we got halfway

up my arm, dust in the wind was playing and just that line repeating over and over again, nothing lasts forever, but the earth and sea and your tattoos that you get kept playing. And I was like, okay, I have to stop because this isn't my vision. It wasn't a bad tattoo. It just wasn't what I wanted. So we stopped with half the tattoo. I kept that for like six months. And then I found an artist to cover it.

Most people would say I'm grounded, but I'm also very impulsive. Like when I decide to do something, it must be done right then. I can't decide it and then do it months from now or I'm not, I can't plan far into the future. It has to happen instantly. And so once I found the cover artist, I was like, we have to get it done. And we just did it four days in a row. It was like six hours a day. They won't tattoo you usually past six hours in one sitting because your, your skin starts rejecting the ink. So I just did it four days in a row. It was like six hours a day. They won't tattoo you usually past six hours in one sitting because your skin starts rejecting the ink. So I just did it four days in a row and sleeved it. And then it healed very weird. It like didn't even peel. It was very weird. It just healed.

It was just fine. Someone that you know also got a lot of new ink and I have to ask about it or I would get roasted on the internet MGK should I call him MGK or sure Colson or Colson or MGK whatever you want he posted and I saw all the comments of everyone mostly being like what does Megan think about his new tattoo what does Megan think what does Megan think and now I'm sitting here in person with you and I'm like I have to ask you like what did you think when you saw the tattoo? Well, he has like a really special story behind why he did that, which obviously I'll leave for him to tell. But he had a relationship with the tattoos that he had, that he was very conflicted emotionally, whatever they represented. And I don't actually know. He didn't like to revisit those memories of the some of those tattoos

that he had and he wanted to get rid of them. But I think the piece that she did for him is very like, I think it's very art. It gives me like Rick Owens. It gives me like, you know, it's like an elevated version of all of those tattoos that were pieced together. I think it's really elegant and it's kind of ahead of its time. I think in 10 years, that'll be a trend. I don't know how many people can take that kind of pain. So I don't know. People will be put to sleep and get the tattoos done, but he did it like fully awake with no painkillers and no numbing. Did you go with him? I went to one of the sessions.

Oh, right. there's probably many there there were many yeah and it didn't feel like something it to me it felt like he was going through like a spiritual initiation and that space needed to be respected and I didn't need to be there I stopped by one of them though but I don't actually know how he endured that level of pain because he's also tattooing on top of tattoos so you're tattooing the scar tissue which makes it even more painful i i don't know i don't know his liver is also probably not doing well at this time prayers for colson yeah um i was thinking about as i was reading those comments i'm like the internet is such a wild place what is the craziest rumor you've ever heard about yourself on the internet?

There's lots of those. We could talk about that for a while. Let's talk about it. Okay, let's talk about it. I guess one of the ones that's very persistent is that I'm like satanic or do satanic rituals or maybe adjacent to Illuminati or something in that vein, which I think really started. I don't know why it started. There was just like that one time that I said I drink blood ritualistically. And then everybody was like, wow, she's into satanic rituals. Classic. But that was a very misunderstood thing let me try to explain it give us like some context

okay here's the context everything is a matter of like what you're accustomed to or what is currently like socially acceptable or normal and back in like the 50s even how many times did you see like probably never but like on leave it to Beaver or like movies from back then or even the 80s. How many times did you see like little boys would go out with like their little pop guns and they would cut their fingers and like be blood brothers, right? And they're like, we're best friends forever now. And they would like smush the blood together on their fingers. That's not satanic, right? That's normal and that's cute. That's sweet's like an innocent like little bond yeah it's a

little bond between kids who love each other they have a pure friendship it's like that except instead of rubbing your fingers together the drop of blood goes in your mouth and i don't know what why that becomes satanic i understand people are like hey that's weird but guess what i think is weird i think it's weird that girls are out here letting guys come in their mouth and they don't know these guys you're letting somebody put their sperm in your mouth and you don't know what he did he doesn't even have a job you met him on fucking tinder he's an entrepreneur or whatever he's in a startup and you just let him sperm in your mouth that's disgusting that makes my back hurt that makes me sweaty so fuck you you're so offended that i got a drop of machina kelly's blood in my mouth

you have brandon from silicon valley's sperm in your mouth he didn't even buy you a nice drink i'm crying honestly though it's a matter of perspective what is so gross about what i did with my soulmate you guys are out here letting strangers come on you this is disgusting it is these are the facts we really needed to discuss today Megan we can end the interview here you know what I mean because this is the hard-hitting truth and I appreciate the honesty because when you give us a little context it does kind of make fucking sense and you're right like anyone can look at it anyway like just like christianity when they're like drinking wine and they believe it's the blood of christ like everyone has their thing like let everyone fucking live what do you give a shit are you drinking someone's blood no so why do you

fucking care if i do like it doesn't matter but this is a great point about the come and we should circle back on that for the women at the end of this episode really talk about who should be coming inside of you and your mouth. And yeah, I appreciate this. What other rumors do you have any that come to mind? Oh, that's just the main one. That's the first one. And just to clarify, because I didn't go on record of saying that's not true. I actually was raised like Pentecostal Christian. I don't, I'm not currently like a part of the church, but I definitely identify with Christ consciousness. And I'm actually a very spiritual positive person, except for recently.

Except for recently, I've been going through it a little bit in terms of positivity. But definitely have never been a part of a satanic ritual. Don't know any people who have been a part of the satanic ritual. I'm not sure if the Illuminati is real. It probably is. I have not been extended an offer to join i feel like if it was real i would have been given an offer to join by now um so yeah it's just to squash that not a satanist or any kind of like an evil witch light worker yes i do I do rituals, but that's not a negative thing. Anything is a ritual. Doing your skincare routine is a ritual. Going to church is a ritual. So I think people have

to separate that word. That word has been demonized for so long that it's just been very misunderstood. And also, I think we exacerbated it because Halloween of that year, I dressed up in bondage with a dog collar around my neck, and he dressed up as a priest, and he was feeding me communion on my knees, and we played Marilyn Manson's Sweet Dreams. We played that. That was the song to the vet, and people felt like that was

a confirmation of the satanic rituals so you can kind of see like where people may like they met i can see i can see where i planted a seed and and there grew a tree in its place but you're here to chop down the tree and be like it never fucking happened yeah he he didn't want me to clarify he was like it's actually so much just let them think this that it's so much cooler that people think we're this bizarre that we're this weird that we're doing this kind of weird, magical, weird shit in our basement, like let them think that this is what's going on. But it is kind of a testament to like, everything they see on social media is face value. And it's like, it's not that deep. It was Halloween. Yeah, let's go's go back to the beginning Megan Fox what were you like as a kid I told my mom when I was two that I was going to be a famous actress so I knew and that wasn't out of passion for acting I'll be honest I just always knew that that's what it was going to be I had like an awareness of my destiny for some reason at a young age. And I was a tomboy when I was a little kid. I was always outside. I had like a very assertive energy as a child. And whenever my mom would get like secret psychic readings,

because she was Pentecostal. So that was a no-no to see psychics. They would always read that she had an older daughter and a younger son and that the younger son was me. And I'm not really sure why I always came through that way, except that I have, no one's going to know what I'm talking about right now, but I have Mars on my ascendant in astrology. So I have like a warrior energy that I was born with. And I think that was translated as being like maybe masculine as a child because it wasn't docile, but I was born with. And I think that was translated as being like maybe masculine as a child because it wasn't docile. But I was like a good kid. I was like a little mischievous and never interested in school, always knew that that was not for me. What was the dynamic like in your house? My parents got divorced when I was three. And prior to that, I just remember both my parents are still

alive. And so I want to be careful not to drag them. But while also being honest, I remember my mother's depression was really, really affected me very deeply. And it was very visceral for me. And like, if I were to draw an image of my mother from my childhood, it would be her like – this is not a literal image. But she just always seemed like a soaking wet blanket or like draped over a couch like weeping. That would be like my image of mother because I was so connected to her sadness or her feelings of being unfulfilled and also her resentment towards relationships. My dad, before I skip ahead, my dad is like really outgoing and funny and charming and like really unique and sparkly. And they, she was, I don't know, she was not fulfilled in that relationship for whatever reason. They got divorced. From my perspective as a three-year-old, he kind of disappeared for a little while.

She immediately got remarried. My stepdad who was passed was probably had borderline personality, but back then he was diagnosed, I think, bipolar. And so he was emotionally and mentally and verbally very abusive to me not to her um and he isolated me from her and just in general like i wasn't allowed to have friends over or like go to anyone's house so i spent a lot of time isolated in my room um and wasn't able to really even spend much. He wanted her, I guess he isolated her is really what was happening, but it seemed as though I was the one being isolated. Then I watched her depression through that relationship as well. And so the messaging that I received is that men and

marriage in particular drain you of your life force and keep you from being able to express your creativity or express your unique desires. And it's an oppressive experience to be in a relationship or to be in love or to be married, in particular being married. Like when I say the word being married, I feel my chakras tighten up. I feel my back like, yeah, get tight, even though I was married for a long time. So that, does that, does that answer your question about my dynamic? It is interesting. And you have one sibling. Are you older or younger? No, I have an older sister, but she's 12 years older. So she was going to college when I was still really young and she was gone a lot. Cause prior to that, when I was really young, she was in high school and she wasn't around much. And she had a boyfriend and she got married and she moved out. So I was alone a lot and trying to make sense of my mom's depression and the disconnect and then the emotional violence coming from my stepfather and also wanting to be with my dad more and not being able to to be

around him because he always was a light and he still is a light and but he was separated from me in a way where I couldn't I couldn't get to the light it's kind of like you can't get to God yeah that that constant like wanting to connect with the father figure like either spiritually or literally. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like a lot of people that I've talked to, I have such empathy for people that whether literally or just like by age kind of had a upbringing that you're essentially an only child, like your sister being so much older than you, like you were in the house alone. And I feel like a lot of times when there's such chaos from the parents, like there is, I found you can have such an emotional connection to siblings because you can look at someone to your right and your left and be like, oh, we're going through the same shit. Whereas when you're

an only child, essentially in those moments, you you can only internalize think what's wrong with me or hate what's going on around you and try to do the complete opposite of what your parents did I feel like obviously we've seen in movies you play just like the most popular hot girl and when you got to high school because I know you said when you were younger you were very tomboyish you would be alone what was your high school dynamic like? Like, were you the cool girl or were you the opposite of that? No. In middle school, I had – I was always a loner, I guess, and not necessarily by choice. But have you ever taken the Enneagram test?

Do you know what that is? I do know what that is. Do you know what number you are? I completely forget what number I'm in now. You're probably a one if I had to guess. Oh god what does that mean is that a good or a seven actually you're probably a seven the enthusiast take it and then tell me take it and then like i don't know how this works but like insert it into this interview and tell me if i was right my face pops up like i am a one she's no no seven a seven i think you're the enthusiast. I'm a four, which is, I think in that one, they call it the romantic, but it's a personality that's been is that I blend in with everyone else or I have

like a vanilla personality or that I'm normal. But that actually stems from a family environment where I didn't feel that I belonged and never felt a part of anything. And then as I went out into the world in school, that was also reflected back to me where I didn't fit into a friend group and I wasn't received well by kids. And then as I left school and went out into the world as a famous person, the world received me that way as well with a lot of contention and a lot of negativity and a lot of projection. And so it's a part of my identity, but it's a survival mechanism to say, I'm a pariah. I'm an outlier. That's who I am. And I'm proud of that. And that's who I need to be now. That's how I self-identify.

But really that comes from a deep wound of looking to have belonged somewhere at some point in my life and never finding a place that I fit. That's really actually interesting to hear because I was going to say on one hand, it is a survival mechanism for you to get through, but I'm also like, isn't that lonely? Yeah. Yeah, it's super lonely, but I was a lonely baby. I've been lonely my whole life. When I meet with, I've met every healer, every psychic, every, they're always like, well, this is your nine life path. This is your life, last life. You're an old soul.

Old souls are lonely. Old souls are sad. You've been doing this a long time. You've been through a lot of trauma. You've had every kind of experience you can have. And there's like this sort of bittersweet experience of it's lonely, but I also know that part of my purpose is to be in service to others, my children in particular. But yeah, it's not a particularly like – I feel alone. Yeah. A lot. But to answer your question about high school and middle school,

I wasn't cool. I had an eating disorder in middle school, a really bad one. I had to be hospitalized twice and I was left in there. Like my mom will say she took me out for Christmas. I don't think that's accurate. I think I was in there for Christmas, but I was in there for a few months at a time. Every time they would put me in, essentially I was 51 50 because my eating disorder was so bad. Um, I had braces. I plucked out all of my eyebrows. Um, and when you do that, when you pluck your eyebrows, by the way, for anyone that's ever going to do this, if you do that, when you're sick or your immune system is down, those hairs don't grow back. So plucked my eyebrows, but out, most of them never grew back. Why did you pluck them out? It was like a cut, like cutting or like any kind of a, I was just doing things to

myself to like, not disfigure myself, but it was a compulsive action that I didn't understand at the time. And then in high school, like if you saw my high school yearbook picture, I'm at that, by that point I was cute again. I had figured it out somehow. But equally as lonely and like isolated. And I had a friend, but I've never had like a friend group. How did boys treat you in high school? I had a high school boyfriend. I didn't, I don't know. At that point, I had started like some modeling in Miami and doing like auditioning for acting things

I think during high school I did that Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen movie I'm not exactly sure I think I was like 16 17 um the kids in school I didn't get like a real reaction from the boys in school but as I went out into the world doing that stuff, I started getting reactions, but also from like much older men, which was weird because they were not my peer group, obviously. And that sent a whole nother like set of confusing messages. Yeah. I'm curious before we do get into that, like when people probably think of Megan Fox in high school, they're like, I would have killed to look like you. Like, did you have insecurities? Yeah, I've had body dysmorphia since I was probably like five. I can remember sitting in the back of my sister's car. She was getting married. And I

even remember what I was wearing. I had black shorts that had white polka dots on them. And I was five. And this is crazy when I look at my children, because now I understand what it is to be five years old. And I was in the backseat looking at my legs being like, I have such fat thighs, my thighs are so fat. I was five. But I also had like, I think I was blonde in a past life. Or and or I mean, I've had many past lives. Whenever I would look in the mirror as a child, I was like, that's not me. That never felt like me. Nothing about that face, the hair, the skin color, the body, that wasn't me. I never associated that with me. And so I think that's because I have a strong tie to some of my other lifetimes. And it was always hard for me to accept that this is who I am in this lifetime. And that goes back to when

my parents were still married. So I was like two or three. My mom said that I used to go into the bathroom and stand on the toilet and pull up my shirt to see if my boobies had grown. And I would get really upset that I didn't have big boobs. And now I $30,000 later and I do solve that problem honestly girl get it I was gonna yeah because I was gonna ask you like I know you've been open about body dysmorphia and I know that just doesn't just go away and like where do you think that control of because that's essentially a control thing of like you're trying to control how you look like what were you what do you think now you look back you're trying to achieve I think ultimately at the time that I was going through it it was loss of control because of the the dynamic between myself and my stepfather and having no

like no autonomy whatsoever and like not being able to have friends or to leave the house or to even like do things freely inside the house. But prior to that, it was just a feeling of being defective or being unwanted. And for whatever reason, I'm not sure why it manifested specifically as that and not as like addiction issues, which I've never had, but it manifested as body dysmorphia and self-esteem instead your ex-husband made headlines recently when he said that you never got to experience being a single young woman because you guys met when you were only 18 and he was 31 at the time do you agree with him like do you feel like you missed out on anything because of that relationship? I feel like, first of all,

let me just say, I was not a great girlfriend to Brian. I'll be very honest. And like, he was not great to me either all the time. But I think it would be easy for me to lean into and complain about or let it seem like that relationship was one way that maybe I was not great because I was young and really should not have been in a relationship of that, that level of commitment and that magnitude with, I shouldn't have been involved in that when I was 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, I shouldn't have been. So I did a lot of like falling in love with other people all the time. I would go to work and fall in love because I was a kid. And yeah, I never had the full freedom to like be single and experience that life. And I thought for a minute when I got divorced that that's what I was gonna do and I was single for

like three weeks and then then you just met that guy yeah I thought I was really gonna go full like Leo DiCaprio for a while that would have been really like fun to watch everyone says that's um everyone agrees I now need to know because you reference in the beginning of this interview like it literally makes your skin crawl when you think about marriage but you did get married like how did you decide to do that I think because then I was so unaware of my feelings because I was so so much younger and this is before I had my kids and most of my growth and like awareness came after childbirth. So prior to that, I was very, I just wasn't aware that, oh, marriage makes me feel any particular way. That was something I did kind of impulsively. Also, it was like an adventure to go on and to do. And I'd already

been with him for so many years at that point. And I do feel like karmically I was supposed to have those kids with him, of course. So I didn't realize, you know, I wasn't looking at myself being like, oh, I'm reenacting my mother's life or I'm carrying my mother's burdens or I'm carrying, you know, the things that she projected onto me. I was not able to recognize any of that. I was just in the moment and had not had therapy or anything like that. And I had not started reading and educating myself. So I was just acting and doing. And I got myself into a relationship, which I, of course, found no shade to Brian, unfulfulfilling because inevitably that's what

I was going to do because I was reenacting what I watched my mother do as a child yeah yeah I think that's something that's like fascinating when you get into therapy you're like oh fuck like I'm just I literally said I didn't want to be like my mother and I'm turning into my mother and it's on us obviously to like take some accountability of our lives to be like pause how do I try to change this but it's really fucking hard to not do what we saw growing up when I think about you and and sense the rise of your career I feel like your name in the public eye has been synonymous with the phrase sex symbol, right? How does that make you feel? I've never been like particularly attached to that. To be honest, I'm not like, I don't have an emotional reaction to

that. I don't believe but let me sit here and analyze it while you're asking me. I think it adds pressure to a girl who, like I said, has body dysmorphia and didn't really ever see herself that way. And the things that I thought were my strengths, like my mind, my intelligence, or my sense of humor, which is granted like very niche sometimes. But those things are not acknowledged. And instead I'm being acknowledged for something that I don't identify with or as. And so that's almost like this artifice. It's like forcing me to wear a character that I don't actually, I wasn't trying to wear. And then also you assign the character to me and then you torture and demonize the character.

And I was never that, I was never her. Like you created her and then you murdered her. And that, I love that I started this out by being like, I don't have an emotional attachment to this. Like you fucking killed me, bitch. But I think to just being called a sex symbol, I don't initially have a reaction. But to the whole process of what really happened and it goes, it's into just being famous in general and the process of fame has been really haunting to be honest because like i said the media and people built up this character and then decided to destroy her because i i i don't know why there's a need to like worship and then and destroy worship and then destroy and

I was always a sensitive kid but I had to wear armor to survive my childhood and I had to wear armor to survive being famous and so there's this energy of me of that you know that I don't give any fucks and to some degree that's true in terms of I would never change anything about myself in order to get someone to like me. So in that way, I don't give any fucks. That doesn't mean that I don't get my feelings hurt and that when I'm being bullied or dragged, that that doesn't cause me to be mentally unwell sometimes because it absolutely does and did.

And in 2009, crossing into 2010, I had been famous not even that long, only a couple of years, but the fame was so heightened. It was so intense that all the energy started peaking and I was going through this process of, I was getting crucified in the press every day and on whatever the blogs were at that time, there was no social media, but like

Perez Hilton and like, was it Nikki Swift? There was some other blog that was so mean. Daily Mail, whatever. Do you remember what they would like say about you? The same exact things they say right now. You could swap the articles from this year with 2009 and 2010. It's the exact same thing. Obviously, being a slut, being a whore. Now I have kids for people to project on and be like, but you're a shitty mom. I didn. Um, plastic surgery, fake, um, talentless. Uh, there's so many, there's so many headlines. I used to get chased by paparazzi who would be like, um, Megan, everybody's saying that you're overrated. Do you think that you're overrated? Megan, everybody's saying that you shouldn't have got your nose done. Nobody likes your new nose. Are you embarrassed that

you got your nose done? Are you sad? Do you regret getting your nose done? Megan, why are you such a bitch? Why does nobody like you? Like grown men, right? Chasing you with, back then this was like TMZ cameras. They don't talk to you like that anymore, but back then they did. So you're in life getting bullied by actual grown adult men with cameras everywhere you go. Then there's like the online presence of just getting torn to shreds for everything that you do, everything that you wear, how you look, every single flaw, every pimple, every scar, every five pounds you gain, five pounds you lose, you can't win. And that energy was peaking and it was every day. And during 2009, they had a blackout, a Megan Fox blackout, where the media

all agreed to not post any content about me for a whole day, which by the way, I was like, I hope you do this every day. Thank you. But the attitude was that, oh, this is that I was a fame whore or an attention whore, which is the opposite of the truth. I'm extremely introverted and horrified by having to be in front of people or cameras. Um, but it got so bad at that point. I was just like, Hey, I can't survive the criticism and the bullying anymore. Like, I actually can't live every time I step out of my house, someone has something to say about how I look, or it's going to be it started to become a witch hunt, where I felt like tabloids would send photographers with the intention of getting a bad photograph or getting a bad,

getting a bad story. This was around the time, it may have been a little before, but it was in the years of when Britney shaved her head. And so the media at that time, they were on witch hunts and they would set out to try and find something negative, the ugliest picture they could get to splash it everywhere because that's what people want to, that gets the most engagement obviously even back then before of course socials existed and that's when i sort of stepped away for a long time and i was like i'm good to just not be involved in this anymore because i actually can't sustain this amount of damage it's not normal and i also feel like it was kind of just me at that time whereas

now all of us get it yeah there's so many other girls that are getting it constantly but back then it really was kind of just me there wasn't another actress that was getting it the same way I was getting it like as I'm listening to you it's first of all it's fucking exhausting like I cannot imagine and what you're sharing with me in the beginning of this being like at such a young age, I looked in the mirror and I was like, I literally cannot connect with my physical appearance. And it's so hard for me to look at myself and be like, is that me in the mirror? I don't feel that way. To know the eating disorders and the body dysmorphia, like what you were going through,

how exacerbated it then became because you became famous if you had to say and I know there's like no answer but like why do you think people are so obsessively trying to pick at you and pull you down I don't know I think like if I were to try and speak about it from a spiritual angle, that's I'm the architect of this experience. And so I'm drawing this to me because my soul needs to learn and deal with these feelings and be able to transcend this. I believe in a past life, I actually was burned at the stake for being a witch. So I think that's an energy that I've had like through lifetimes and it's carried into this lifetime as well, because that is essentially what is happening today. Every day people don't realize it, but they all wake up and they're just a reincarnated medieval mob and they have their pitchfork and their lantern. And they're like, who do we get to burn the stake today? Who do we get to cancel today? Who do we get to destroy today? And that's the first thing they do. They go on Twitter and they're like, what's trending? This. I want to join in on this. And that's also something that should be studied is like, why do people want to

join in on something? So, which is essentially psychological violence. Why do you want to join in on that? Because I think most people, if you were walking on the street and you saw me, or you saw Kim or Kylie or any of these other girls, and we were being beaten by a mob of people, your instinct is not going to be to join the mob and to beat us. It would probably be to either help or to go get help. However, when you watch that same thing happen online and it's the psychological violence, the instinct is to join. And that's a very weird instinct that people have that they should ask themselves, like, why do I want to be a part of tormenting torturing mocking making fun of or bullying when we do understand the ramifications and the danger of doing this

it's such a good way to look at it and it's fucking terrifying and i think i think that as i'm sitting here listening to you like i also just have to like acknowledge like you are conventionally like a beautiful woman like you have been called in certain years like the most beautiful woman in the world and I think people cannot accept that you could have it all you can't be this beautiful and be smart you can't be this beautiful and be smart. You can't be that beautiful and be a good person. And I think it brings so many insecurities out in people when they look at you.

I think for women, like I remember I just saw a TikTok of this woman who was like, I just lost a hundred pounds and my life is so different because I used to walk in rooms and women would befriend me and men treated me like shit and now it's the opposite I walk in a room and every fucking woman looks at me like a threat and every man is opening the door for me treating me like a

queen and I'm like whoa I just lived two different fucking experiences in a year and I'm like which one would I choose but I think you threaten women because you're confident and beautiful and educated and smart and we're all like fuck you you can't be like that but to men i mean i was gonna read this to you i was like what the fuck is wrong with the world i read an old article okay and they they described you as as a screensaver on a teenage boy's laptop a middle-aged lawyer's shower fantasy and a sexual prop used to sell movies like the objectification of you megan fox is so much larger than you it is like the embodiment of misogyny and what's wrong with our fucking society and it's terrifying even hearing though it come from your own voice of like i didn't ask for this i didn't i'm not out there selling my body and my soul to this like i'm just trying to do my job and somehow

people are like take her the fuck down like yeah Also, it was always confusing to me because I never really did anything bad. I was never like associated with drugs or alcohol. I was never around until recently anyone who's been associated with drugs or alcohol. I was never caught at clubs. I was never arrested. I was never I never did anything outside of having like a kind of Andy Kaufman esque sense of humor, which people don't understand. That is my greatest crime. And so it was very hard to understand in the beginning. And I'll be honest with you, it's hard to keep enduring it because I did step away for a decade and I did all this real light. And I thought that either it would be different. I would be attracting a different experience to myself this time because my level of consciousness was so much higher or my ability to deal with it would be so much better at this point because I was a different person. And I have not found that to be the case at all. Like

I've been doing it. It's going on the fourth year now. Um, and it is wearing me down. I'll be honest. Like it's very hard, I think, because I don't have a family support system or like a large group of, I don't feel that I belong because I am, I do feel so alone. Like you said, when you have to deal with something and you don't have siblings or you feel like you're by yourself, you internalize and then it can become very grim very quickly. And I do, I am kind of getting to the end of my rope with that. I'll be honest. Like I'm, I'm, I'm struggling with it again. It feels like I was in a wormhole. Like I left 2009 and I'm like right back in where I left off and there was no growth which makes me feel defeated and I just I really I can't believe how negative human beings are and how cruel they need

to be to everyone this is not just me but that also weighs on me because I have kids and I have one kid who's like an artistic savant and that kid will inevitably be in the spotlight somehow. It's impossible that they won't. And I know how cruel the world is because I've lived through it and I don't think I can endure watching what my child is going to have to go through. So I'm really struggling with that as well of like not wanting my kids to have to be exposed. I was going to say it's also just like this vicious cycle. Like you said, like everyone builds someone up. We've seen it with so many stars online. And then the minute you're at the top, they break you down. And I already know it's like if you disappear again and you go away, oh my god we

miss megan it happened to me twice when i went away there was like this surge of like i hate this phrase but it applies i would not normally say this there was that peak in energy where i was getting crucified every day i went away i disappeared i was like fine fuck it you win the world had like their post not clarity and they were like wait but why did we why did we kill her why did we murder her she never did anything what did she do she was actually like she was actually a positive she stood for a lot of really good things like we should have given her flowers. Why do we do that? Fuck. And then I stepped back.

I'm like, was someone knocking? Were you guys, were you guys calling me? I'm here. I'm here to receive my flowers. And it was immediate, just murder immediately. And so that experiencing that cycle, like you said, if I were to disappear again right now, like I did in 2009, which believe me, I'm very tempted to do because I am not well at this moment. The same thing would happen where people would be like, oh, but she brought, you know, she had this messaging. She was such a smart girl.

She was a grounded girl. She was encouraging. She was supportive of other women. She was this. She was that. She was, I promise you, 40 years after I'm dead, it's going to be like with not to compare myself to Marilyn, but the way she died. And then everyone's like, well, you know, she was a genius. You know, she had 142 IQ. That's going to happen to me too. I'll years from now I'll be dead. And

then somebody will have something nice to say about me, but living it's not going to happen. It's even like making me think as you're just talking and i'm staring at you like you are so bright and you have so much to offer and it makes me sad because i know so many people will listen to this and be like wait she's actually like really fucking dope but it shouldn't take you sitting for an hour and talking if you're a kind person you've never done anything to anyone so you shouldn't have to prove yourself but it's like frustrating that there's this pull and push on the internet and you just can't fucking win and i'm sorry you have to deal

with that um i'm curious like how did how did and how has this like extreme focus on your look and body impacted your relationship to sex that's a good question I have Virgo on my eighth house so Megan you gotta like talk to the girlies that are like bitch I have no idea what you're talking about I know I know I'm trying I think google it yeah you gotta you gotta deeply Google to understand what I'm talking about there. But I it does affect obviously anything that's going on with your self esteem affects your relationship to sex. But I will say I feel like as I took more control of my body, actually, because when I was younger, it was like really scandalous to get anything done. So my boobs have been fake by the way, since I was 21 or two, I got them done in

between the first and second transformers, but I had them done conservatively. I've done this way too many times during this interview. I hate it gotta like you haven't you gotta ai those out i can't i can't keep doing that i'll just bump it on your face when you do okay um where was i okay so i had them i had i had they were very conservative because back then you had you everyone did the work but you had to do work that was undetectable obviously people have been doing work since ho began that's the way the studios would bring you in and do a screen test and be like okay John Wayne he needs a chin implant Marilyn she needs a nose she needs this she needs that that's the oldest story ever told but back at that time when I was doing it it had to be unknown unnoticeable but I always that little girl that was in the mirror like where are my boobies i always wanted big boobies and so i want i wasn't happy with the first set the same thing with like

we might can we just talk about plastic surgery yeah let's talk yeah okay so i'm just gonna go through all the things that i've done love because i feel like there's this stigma and I'm not gonna win I'm gonna do this I'm not gonna win okay however I'm hoping it sets some people free let's go because I feel like people are like well we like we we if you were to ask women they would be like well we we say these things we bully you some of my favorite comments are from women and I don't often read them but sometimes I'm in the mood and I'm like, I want to interact with a troll. And it takes one second for them to start pouring into my Instagram feed or my comments. And they're

often from women where I'll be like, holy shit, that is a particularly cruel thing to say. Who is this person? And I'll click on it and she'll be like women's life coach crystal healing loving god tantric lessons divine feminine and she's under my comments being like you know crucifying me for being plastic or whatever so there's but if you were to ask her she would be like, well, that's because she perpetuates an unhealthy standard of beauty. Right. But, and so here I am, I'm going to be fully transparent. I still won't win because there are some girls who have been, who have been transparent. I don't want to like bring people in, but someone like a Kylie has been

very transparent. That is not helping her. People are – women are still brutally dragging her just the same and totally undeserved. She's a beautiful, healthy, young, gorgeous girl. And I actually feel for whatever reason very protective when I watch other girls go through this. I want to defend them or go to war for them. But – okay, I'll go through. Here's things I haven't done that i have been accused of doing okay and then i'll confirm the things i have done okay i've never had a facelift of any kind so no mid facelift no like lateral brow lift although i would like one or no regular brow lift um i've

never done threads i have researched them that's not because of some moral thing i just don't really believe they work. And I'm also afraid that they would interfere when I do need to have a facelift. But I am very tempted to go have my eyebrows snatched like all the way. I want that look. Sometimes that seems fun. And you can do it on a lunch break. And I see why it's so tempting.

And I have researched it. Have not done it yet. Okay. I've never had this done. What is this? Oh, buckle fat. Buckle. Okay. I've never had this done. What is this? Oh, buccal fat? Buccal fat? Buccal fat.

Buccal fat. I've never had that done. I'll never have any fat removed. I'm a very lean person that doesn't have enough body fat or fat in my face, so I will only ever put fat in. I will never be taking fat out, which leads me to I've never any like liposuction or body contouring or anything like that. I've never had, what are other things you can have? Butt implants. I mean, I'd be so flattered if somebody thought I had a BBL. If I could, I would. I don't have the extra body fat. I would get it done if I could. And that, that surgery is such a hard one to recover from. It's so insane. It's basically like three months. You have to lay flat

on your face. You're bruised for an eternity. If I were to ever do that, I would come out with, I would be like, if I'm going to survive that surgery, you're going to give me an ass that's like an anomaly. Like I'm going to walk through a park and I'm going to turn around and everyone is going to be whispering and laughing and talking because they're like, what are we looking at? Like circus freak. If I'm going through that healing process, I want that. I'm not coming out with like oh did she been has she been like really hitting the gym lately extra squats no i want it to be massive yeah it's gotta be it's gotta stop people in their tracks okay but i don't have the body fat to do that so that's

never gonna happen but at the time when when in the future you can take donated fat from people i will be doing that and you will be seeing this situation this situation go down in the park okay what you have what i have had done like i said i had my boobs done when i was 21 or 22 i had them redone after i was done breastfeeding my kids because i don't know where they went but they. And then I had to have them redone very recently because the first set, I didn't have enough body fat to disguise. You could see the rippling of the implant. So I had to switch them out to this set. I don't like surgery. My body does not react well to general anesthesia. And so when I go to have a surgery, it's a very big deal.

And I have my, all my doctors have to meet with me before and have to tell me if they've seen any omens, if they saw any owls, crows, if anyone stepped on a spider, if there are any dead insects. My doctors have to go through this with me because I'm very afraid of dying under general anesthesia. So I don't take surgery lightly and therefore I have not had many of them because of that. So that's probably a saving grace that I have this paranoia or this fear because God knows what I would have been up to. Do your doctors think you're insane?

They're like, oh, this bitch. No, they love me. No, they love me. Yes, I saw an owl, Megan. Let's reschedule. No, we all, we all. And by the way, I'm like, I'll still pay for the surgery. Just do not also make sure the music playlist,

no music comes up that reminds you of like your ex-girlfriend or an ex-wife or anything that's gonna make you upset because you are the surgery. Just do not also make sure the music playlist, no music comes up that reminds you of like your ex-girlfriend or an ex-wife or anything that's going to make you upset because you are the surgeon. You need to be in a good headspace. If you have a fight with your wife, do not come in for surgery. I go through all of these protocols. You should make us all like a list of like a little pre-op situation. You don't want to, any surgery is a risk to your life. I don't care what anyone says. That's the truth. Going under general anesthesia is a risk to your life. I don't care what anyone says. That's the truth. Going under general anesthesia is a risk to your life. So when I had to go in for this set, I was like, look, if you're going to put me to sleep, if I'm going to be sick for two months from the general anesthesia, if I'm going to feel,

if I'm going to go through, because I'm not fully ever asleep. So my soul's like fighting on the surgical table to wake up. It's a very traumatizing experience for me. I was the surgical table to wake up it's a very traumatizing experience for me i was like i better wake up with the biggest boobs you can fit in my body and that is what he said he did and they're not even that big they're a 32d which is not that big they just look big on my body because my body's tiny right right but if like if he could have gone bigger i would have had him go bigger because i don't like surgery and the fact that i had to do it i was like i want a reward for the suffering i have to go through i don't want to wake up with a full

b cup there's no fucking point in that i'm not doing it right you want titties i wanted titties i said i want i don't care what's on trend. Give me 1990s stripper titties. That's what I want. And he did it. Girl, you look amazing. Thank you. And then I had my nose done when I was in my early 20s. And that's something I've literally been accused of having like six, seven, eight rhinoplasty surgeries, which is impossible.

Your nose would get necrosis and fall off um i haven't had a rhinoplasty since i was i'm gonna say 23 it's been well over a decade i haven't i've not touched my nose since then we didn't contour my nose we didn't contour my nose no we didn't your nose looks tiny fuck jenna we didn't contour your fire should we contour half should we show everyone how i contour my nose shut the fuck up you your nose looks no i can make it tiny like a little elven princess i make it so small within within one inch of its life i contour it and so i think people think i keep constantly working on it it's just the contour i can't believe i can't believe i'm doing an interview without nose contour on i'm traumatized

you don't understand what a big deal this is this is like me not having done my eyebrows very scary for me i'm traumatized that you think that your nose won't look good right now because i'm like the fuck does my nose look like i like to i like to contour it down until it's just nostrils like voldemort just no no it's just just two holes here wait after this can you teach me how you contour your nose and i'll do it next to you yeah but i'm i'm freaking out that i'm not i don't have it on you look so gorgeous you're gonna keep going this is good for you this is good for you she's gotta keep going okay so you've had your nose done you've had your tits done and what botox and filler that's yeah that's it right oh there's one thing i had done that i'm gatekeeping because

sorry what it was it was really good and it's not a known like plastic surgery people don't even really know about it will you tell me off camera yeah you don't need. People don't even really know about it. Will you tell me off camera? Yeah. You don't need it. I don't think. Really? You're not going to want it. I wanted it very badly and I needed to do it. And it's something that. Can you give us a hint? No. No. Okay. So that's it. Yeah. It's actually not that much. It's not that in terms of surgery, it's not that much. And when it comes to lasers and stuff like that, I've done everything you could possibly think of doing, and I always will. I don't understand the point of shaming people for getting stuff done.

Granted, I'm not encouraging anyone to do anything crazy. Like I said, you need to be very safe and very careful when you do any of this stuff, even fillers. People that get fillers in their nose, you can get necrosis from that. Like none of this shit is really safe. It all comes with a risk. So I'm not encouraging people to just go out like blindly and do things. You should do your research. However, it's a very weird thing to shame somebody for. And coming back to your question about sex, the more that I've taken control of my body and done the things that I've always wanted to do, the more comfortable I am in my body and the more

freedom I have sexually and the more embodied I feel sexually and am more like playful and confident in that way versus when I was wearing a body that didn't feel like my body because I always wanted it to be different. Yeah. I appreciate you sharing that though, because I think you're right. It's like to the women that are shaming women for getting work done. If you are so triggered, that probably means you have an insecurity where have you, maybe you've thought of getting fillers or Botox or something, but maybe you're too scared. So then you shame women that have done it. It's like, why? And if you don't want it, why do you care if another woman gets it? It's all projection. When someone is so angry looking at you, it's, it is based in some form of jealousy. Like we have to just call it what it is. But also where does the logic end

of like, what, why won't you take it to shaming people for coloring their hair so true you know what i'm saying or wearing gel nails or where does that logic stop yep what's what's natural enough for you and then what's fake and what's the barometer and like why do we all have to follow some kind of a standard it doesn't make any sense. Can we talk about your book for a second? Yeah. So you released your book, Pretty Boys Are Poisonous. And you basically write about the fact that you have your entire life kept the secrets of men,

which again, if anyone asks like why, it's like we kind of talked about that today it's like well what the fuck you're gonna if you say it no one believes you or they shame you or they call you a whore like there's certain reasons why women don't come forward and say these things and you wrote a lot in this book one of the things one of the common themes I wrote down was like throughout the book, you talk about minimizing yourself in order to make a man or men feel comfortable and confident and important. When was the first time you remember doing that in a relationship, like bringing yourself down? tricky because my relationships are public so it's hard to say but I would say very early on like when I first started going to award shows and things like that feeling judged for like my naive excitement over like first experiencing some kind of success or like being at like oh my, I'm at the MTV

Awards. Like, whoa, this is so cool. And not being met with what felt to be criticism or judgment and then me shrinking and receiving the message that it was embarrassing to like these things or to be happy to be a part of these things and that I needed to quell that and reject it maybe. Have you ever had someone that like had a very strong opinion to be like you're not allowed to wear that or don't be like as outgoing in at events? Like how controlling have you experienced relationships become? I haven't had somebody control clothing and things like that. But definitely, yeah, definitely just down to like maintaining too much eye contact with someone else

or having, being too curious during a conversation or to the point where it's like well i just won't talk to anyone i just won't look at anyone i won't shake anyone's hand like i'll just sit and that's that's one of the poems you're referring to is i think it was the art of becoming an accessory yeah and feeling like an accessory where i'm there but why am i there and what am I doing? I don't have a presence here because I'm not allowed to be. Another theme is toxicity in the book. I wanted to read you this particular line. I prefer the agonizing psychological abuse of this trauma bond to the prosaic tedium of a regular life. Why do you think you gravitate towards toxicity over stability?

Because stability sounds boring. I get it. It does. And that's the truth. It sounds like it's not romantic. It doesn't sound like it's passionate. Mm-hmm. The literal definition of passion is to suffer. And it doesn't, it just sounds, I would rather be in something. This is not to encourage others to do this, but my personal

psychosis and issue is that I would prefer to be in something dramatic and toxic versus something stable. Keep in mind, I've never experienced like truly stable. So if I were to honestly experience it, I would probably have a lot of peace and would accept it. But I've never had it. So to me, the idea of it sounds very boring boring i want to read part of this heartbreaking poem that you wrote because it's fucking heartbreaking you say there was a time when I had never felt a man's hands hit me suffocate me or throw me to the ground but now if one of those things hasn't happened by Wednesday I consider it a miracle when I read to you, how does it make you feel?

I dissociate from the physical violence a lot. Even when I talk to my therapist, I have yet to be able to have like a strong emotional reaction to that because I compartmentalized that and that sort of just jumped over my, my, my logic, my logical brain and went right into my body. So I need to probably do a lot of like somatic therapy to work on that. Yeah. But I'm not able to feel emotional when I write about it or when I talk about it. It's basically like describing a movie. The gaslighting and the name calling and the mental emotional abuse, I do get very emotional about

that. I am very like present with that. But how do I feel about it? I don't know. Well, part of me feels like exposed because I wrote this book with things like that in it. And so to hear someone else read it, I'm like, okay, I wrote that for everyone to read for all of eternity. They can revisit that book. And I did it, but I did it for a reason. Why did you do it? One for myself, I think because obviously it was therapeutic to get it out and to get it out in a way that's different than to just talk to a therapist and like the words float away into nothingness. To put it into a book, I know that it'll find, even if it's only one person, it'll find someone that needs to read it and they will experience some kind of healing or some kind of inspiration from it. And therefore that gave my

pain a purpose versus me just trying to heal privately. It also just felt like a demon that I needed to have exercised from my body. Like I needed to get it out in this way. Do you remember the first time that a man hit you? Yes. I can't – I don't know that I can tell the story i have to be so careful no of course of course i guess i could just ask like once something happens more than once there's a way that you can almost i don't want to say like normalize it but you have you do you acclimate to it yeah when it happened the first time

do you remember your reaction and like how you handled it and yeah i fawned that was my initial reaction the freeze fight flight fawn fawning is like it's a combination of freezing and then also attempting to soothe the other person. So that was my initial reaction. And it was very, it was definitely shocking. But like I said, I almost immediately compartmentalized it and went into the, like, took on, went into nurturing the other person to like calm the situation and I don't know I just I just took it on as my own burden right away instead of feeling the trauma but I think that's like really relatable and that's how fucked up it is to be a woman like we're trained to like make men feel like you're it's okay like make them feel comfortable

also because i think it's a survival mechanism because yeah if you can de-escalate a situation with a man you you don't know how much farther that was going to go so our brain goes to it's like i was talking to my therapist about this the other day she was like i call it like the blowjob effect it's like when you're about to get sexually abused or something's about to happen it's like you can rational rationalize like, okay, if I just give him a blow job, that will stop me from having to have sex with him. And then people will shame you of like, you gave him a, oh, so then, but so you did do, it's like, you don't know what's going to happen.

They could have a gun. They could try to fucking kill you. We know what men are capable of. And so there's moments where it's just survival. Again, I think it's such a privileged standpoint when people would be like, what do you mean you soothed him? I know exactly what you mean. You immediately go into survival mode of how do I completely deescalate the situation? The poem you wrote called Rape. Did anyone in your life know that you had survived that type of sexual abuse before you wrote this poem yeah not my parents or like my family but people that i've been with like have known yeah did your family reach out to you once the book came out no interesting did that shock you no i'm so sorry that's okay i mean that's but that's telling of the relationship yeah that's that

perfectly reflects as i would anticipate it too yeah we're gonna move on to your relationship a little bit okay okay mr mgk we're gonna move on to your relationship a little bit okay okay mr mgk obviously this book has a lot of heavy topics and i know you clarified on multiple um interviews you did like i'm not just writing about one person i'm talking about my life experience but how did that book just like impact your relationship in the moment? Did it open wounds? Did you have to have a lot of conversations? Like I can imagine it was tough. Yeah.

And because some of the poems are about him and they're obviously about him. Like a 32-year-old narcissist attempts to quantify his crimes is about him and he knows it's about him. And there are other ones like Ghosts of Christmas Future, obviously about him. But I also didn't really write anything about him that he hasn't said about himself in his own music. However, that doesn't make it any less sensitive for him to experience me writing about it. Because obviously he feels in control when he's telling his own story. Or even like maybe he's able to hide behind the music a little bit even though he's saying all the same things it felt different in in this format so obviously he would have to be asked for his experience but it was not easy and i think he was like really nervous and and worried because there's a lot of explosive content

in the book obviously and there was some fear there and also I mean some of them are about him and are savage they are Megan they definitely are there go read the book everyone I feel like everyone has such like an opinion on your guys relationships you know you got engaged then i think it was called off then we don't know what's going on with you like how would you describe your relationship with mgk um i think that what i've learned from being in this relationship is that it's not for public consumption. So I think as of now, I don't have a comment on like the status of the relationship per se. What I can say is that is what I refer to as being my twin soul. And there will always be a tether to him no matter what. I can't say for sure what the capacity will be

but I will always be connected to him somehow beyond that I'm not willing to explain but all those things you said were accurate things that have occurred and I could see them being confusing or interesting to people and them being like what's up yeah i mean i yeah i think the reality is like reading your book i was like holy fuck this is some of this is traumatizing this is scary this is sad this is really relatable like i think and i think that's what you just explained you wanted to do with the book is like i think a lot of women which is unfortunate and sad for us as women, that a lot of people can be like, uh-huh, I've experienced that and that and that. And I think what's sad is like so many people probably don't know how many women have gone through that, how many women have normalized getting hit or getting verbally, physically, emotionally abused. Like it's, it's everywhere. It's one in three women. Like it's so fucking prevalent. And I think our

culture likes to just turn a blind eye and pretend it's not happening. So like, I appreciate you writing the book, but I agree. I think a lot of people are like, you okay? Like like are we still in this relationship and that's for you to decide like i don't think i think you're right it's like for everyone fuck off you're gonna decide what you're gonna do and also he gets to write his fucking music yeah and i think you as an actor it's not like you get to be like let's change this role to be more like that like this is a an expression for you that i bet was like healing in a way to be like oh put, put it out and let it go.

Yeah. It also was written just from the like one angle of my perspective, meaning this was me being like I'm writing this from my anger of all these men, all these experiences that I have had. It's not an objective view of my roles in the relationship. Like I said, like I failed many times inside the different relationships and was not a flawless – I was not a pure victim. Like I did plenty of things and provoked plenty of things, not in terms of violence, but like I provoked pain or issues inside the relationship as well with my behavior but the book was not written in a holistic way it was written from my anger and my pain needed to speak and that's what the book is yeah okay i have a couple more

fun questions okay first of all because we're going to transition and help the girlies out. Okay. How have you gotten to a place in your life where you do not give a fuck about what other people think in their opinions? I have not gotten to that place. Oh, wait, Megan, I thought you did. No, no, no, no, we still care. No, I, I, I, I guess, like I said earlier, it is a thing of like, I would never change anything about myself to appease someone yeah like publicly i would never do that i actually had to one time during brian was in a custody case with his his child and sometimes a part of those a part of the process is everybody has to do a evaluation so all four adults had to go undergo psychiatric evaluations and mine came back and they took note

of the fact that i was one of the only people that had never attempted to slant the test because it's human nature to want your best self to be seen so when people are being tested it's often that they will not lie per se, but mislead or like present a truth that isn't entirely accurate out of wanting to be liked. And I don't have that function or that mechanism. So I, they took note of the fact that that was completely absent from my, my psych evaluation, but not in a like sociopath way, but in a way where I'm just not somebody who's going to bend unless I I'm, I'm only doing what I believe in the end, like that will never change. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt my feelings when people spew venom or negativity or hatred towards me. I'm very permeable actually

because I'm very sensitive. And yes, I've been wearing that armor, but the armor is heavy. And at a certain point in my life, I was down to get some blood on my blade and like go to war if I needed to, but I'm tired now. And it's actually wearing on me a lot in this particular moment. For whatever reason, things are coming to a head for me. And I'm not in a place where I don't give a single fuck. I do get hurt. That won't change who I am and how I am and how I speak and how I proceed with my life. But I do still feel the pain of that. How do you as a mother handle knowing people are like going to try to get at your kids through you and knowing you? Like are you paranoid at all with that? Yeah.

I lose a lot of sleep about that. Especially because at least one of them is I know going to be in the public. Probably all three of them. They're like drop dead gorgeous kids and both of their parents are actors and in this industry. So it's likely that they're going to have some type of public platform at a certain point. I worry about that every day. Do you talk to them about that yet? Not yet. My oldest is 11 and my kids were not allowed. They weren't raised with screens and they don't have iPads or anything like that at

my house or phones. I can't keep that up forever. Eventually that will happen. I'm trying to delay it as long as possible. But when they get a little bit older, it's still too early and it's also – I don't want to put the weight of my experience on them. I want them to have their own experience and I don't want to preload it by being like, this is all the suffering that mommy's been through.

This is how the world treats mommy. You know, mommy's never been loved. Mommy's always been bullied. Mommy's always, mommy doesn't belong. They don't need to feel that. So I haven't found the right way to talk to them about that, but I will have to with certainty. And yes, I lose a lot of sleep about that. Somebody should ask Brian that question.

He's watched me cry so many times. He's always like, are you okay? Because every school meeting, I'm just weeping. I'm always crying because I know what's coming and I'm not able to live in this moment because I know what's ahead and I'm not able to live in this moment because i know what's ahead and i'm i'm not prepared emotionally to have to do it i can't do it it's a lot yes okay you're gonna give the girls i thought you said they were fun it's right here right here right here okay you are funny by the way thank you we should do like a part two where we only talk about funny shit okay we just let you go okay i want to get your take on a couple of scenarios okay what would you say to someone who

and then like it's a girl going through it okay this girl sees a hot guy at a bar but is too nervous to go up to him and make the first move what would you say to her it's not gonna be worth it anyway megan it's not you're like you're the same bitch that's getting fucking cum in your mouth like go home it's not gonna be worth it go home it's not gonna be good would you ever go up and approach a guy i can't be bothered it's not what do they give you really what do you get out of it really i'm sorry have you ever gotten a magical dick have you ever been gotten a sacred dicking down where you're like a better human afterwards have you because if you have please, please tell me. But in my experience, that's not what happens. And it's not worth the drama that they bring and they cause. It's not worth it.

Your dick needs to be in direct proportion to the drama that you cause. And if it's not, then you need to fuck the fuck off. Oh, man, they'd be so little or they'd be huge. There would be no like medium boyfriend size dicks anymore right wait how did you meet colson did he go up to you oh no oh no no for the audience i did not connect to those things so i just want to make sure okay that those that's on an ongoing continuation of a sentence yes yes yes yes yes but how did you meet him did you go to him i met him on set and we were in a scene oh right right the music video

no no it was before that we were doing a movie that will forever be upset that we're we met on the set of that movie but we were doing a scene and um i had seen his picture before he showed up and i knew just from his picture, I was like, I recognize that person. And then I looked in his eyes and I was like, oh yeah, it's you. I've known you for thousands of years. So we were in a situation where it wasn't really

about one person coming up to the other. Got it. He's very shy and he'll tell you he's very awkward as well. So he's not somebody who like picks up girls. He's just gorgeous and a famous musician so he gets them easily but if if he was not famous he would be struggling because he's not he's not good at that he isn't he's a brilliant musician he's not good at picking up girls or conversation are you good at it i would say that's so subjective but no i don't think i'm

good at it because i don't like to i don't flirt i see how girls flirt i don't like i can't be bothered to do that i also ask them questions they've never been asked before that they don't want to answer like like what like the questions you're asking me and shit we're talking about now where i'm like what's your deepest mother wound like no no guy likes to talk about that shit especially right away when they don't know you right you're like let's talk about what happened what happened in the childhood they're like huh yeah what are you most traumatized by what's your weirdest fetish what's your like yeah they don, they don't like to feel exposed. So I'm not a good. You're not a good.

I'm not good at that. Because they just want you to be pretty and really dumb. And I don't like to play that game. I agree. What if a girl keeps comparing herself to her best friend? How do you stop comparing yourself to women? That's a great question. I don't know that I've ever been in that.

You mean from like a standpoint of jealousy comparing to or more of like an envy? Because there's so many – it could have a venomous element or it could just be like, wow, I'm really proud of my best friend. I wish I could get my shit together and be like that. There's different aspects to it. One, I think it's not necessarily unhealthy to be inspired by your friend and to take notes and want to move in that direction. But if it's unhealthy and it's toxic, I don't know that I have great advice. have insecurities and things that you need to heal and probably desires need to be satiated and all of these other things that you need to work on because jealousy will always be there with your friend or with just all others. Socks. Okay. What if a girl is hung up on a guy who ghosted her after a date? What do we do, Megan? I don don't know i can't be friends with that person

you can't be friends with the girl no no what do you mean is that rude i can't be friends with that person she's upset after she went on a date with a guy one time and he ghosted her and she still is obsessing over him yes you can't be friends i can't do that that wasn't the question you're like i cannot be friends with her oh my god i'm peeing okay we're not friends with her okay what about a girl that's too afraid to tell her partner that she's never had an orgasm well you gotta just you gotta do that you gotta you gotta say that that's that is i feel like all

of us have been in that position at one time or another that is not worth living like that though you cannot what is the fear that he's gonna feel so insecure or so overwhelmed how would you do it is the question specifically i've never had an orgasm with you or i've never had an orgasm with you that's a different question okay i think how long has it been i'm making this up well if it's been a week versus 10 years it's been like a year oh that's a long time because now you're a liar that's that's a long time to keep up that lie because now you're a fucking liar you cunt no but now you have to answer for well why have you been lying for a year like don't let it get to that

point i understand the fear of being intimidated or worrying or whatever you can't live like that you have to understand that a orgasm if he's entitled to an orgasm you are entitled to an orgasm the end so don't let anything any kind of fear talk you out of being able to speak that truth this is your body and orgasms actually keep women very healthy it's a vitamin and you have to prioritize that so don't be afraid and if he has a problem with that he is not for you and i promised you the dick wasn't that good anyway obviously because you're not coming amen okay megan last question what do you think this next chapter of your life will look like for you i feel like you're about to disappear this is the last we ever saw megan i am on like the cliff of that i don't i don't know i'm either gonna

really have some kind of like breakthrough where I do transcend into some like blissful higher level of consciousness or find some kind of purpose being in service to people or I will disappear again. I feel like I handled that wrong the first time though. Yeah. And I regret some of those years that I lost. So I don't think I'll repeat that. However, I am on the precipice of what am I about to do? And I don't know. Well, we'll be looking for you. Megan Fox, thank you so much for calling me on Call Her Daddy. This was overdue and it was perfect. Thank you. Thank you for staying up so

late. It's midnight