Call Her Daddy - Megan Moroney: Cheating, Cowgirls, & Chaos (FBF)

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Megan Moroney. Megan opens up about her childhood in Georgia, feeling lost in high school, never fully fitting in since she was a theater kid and a cheerleader, and how her first boyfriend was actually her brother’s best friend. She talks about her college experience, educates Alex on sorority life, and breaks down the times she was getting cheated on but convinced herself to stay. Megan and Alex realize they have the same professional athlete in their past and of course, Alex asks the question we’ve all been wondering… what exactly happened with Morgan Wallen? Megan also reveals that she is OG Daddy Gang but has traded the toxic for therapy and is truly thriving now. Finally, they discuss Megan’s rise to fame, her approach to songwriting, and her new album. Enjoy!

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy. Megan Moroney, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you. I am so happy you're here. I can already tell this is going to be a disaster in the bathroom. I know. I'm like high key terrified. Okay, so you're OG Daddy Gang. OG Daddy gang. Let's just talk about that for a minute, because I do think that changes the vibe of an interview, right? It does.

Like I was a junior in college walking around the University of Georgia with my block hem hoodie. It was the black one with pink writing. I had my pink unwell hat on. Just being an absolute menace. A man would look at me the wrong way and I'm like blocked. Honestly, I think that says so much about you. I already feel like we're best friends. I already know the energy is gonna be fabulous today.

Congratulations. Like you are everywhere in the best way. You're so fucking talented. You deserve all the success and everything that has come your way. Like it's so cool to see a woman in your position rise so quickly and it just all happened. Your new album is called, Am I Okay? So obviously I have to say like, are you okay? How are we doing today, Megan? What is going on? We are more than okay. We are. It's been like the

best week ever. So I'm so okay. But valid question, if you've listened to the album, it's like, dude, is she okay? I like that you really write from like the personal perspective and you give a lot of details about your life and your love life specifically because obviously the tea is hot and I love the tea so I'm like yes, I can give it. You call yourself an emo cowgirl. What does that mean? Can you explain it to us? So emotional cowgirl, not to be confused with goth cowgirl. I get a lot of questions about those two. Because you're not giving goth.

I'm not giving goth. We're giving pink sparkles like over the top not goth, but emotional I am probably the most emotional sensitive person ever when is the last time you cried over a guy a Few months ago Oh, no, no girlfriend. We are good. We are good a few months ago. Yeah, I was just I Was having a breakdown over a loser, but. I mean, isn't it so sad when you waste your tears on a loser and then hindsight is 20-20?

Oh my God, yeah. And then you think of your mental state and you're like, girlfriend. But you have to have those moments. You have to go through it and then you come out on the other side and you're better. And then the best is when you look back and you're like, yes, was it embarrassing?

I cried, not as bad as like, he's such a fucking loser. Like I don't care as much anymore. And you have perspective, but in the moment it hurts. It does hurt in the moment, but we got some good songs out of it. Okay, so let's talk about you obviously are a country singer. Where were you born and raised? Like take me back to your hometown

and what growing up was like. So I was born in Savannah, Georgia. I grew up in Douglasville, Georgia, which is west of Atlanta. And I feel like for 22, 23 years of my life, I grew up very normal. Like this all just changed. So yeah, I mean, I grew up playing guitar with my dad and my brother. They taught me how to play guitar. I was a cheerleader in high school. I also did musical theater though. So like, you can imagine the vibes were a little weird. I'll be honest.

Those don't go together. So yeah, I hurt my knee cheerleading though, my junior year, I was in a wheelchair for two months. I have like a gnarly scar on my knee that I will show you later. You can show me later. Okay, surely taking your pants off already. I'm like, babe, we're five minutes in. Honestly, let it rip.

But I was in a wheelchair. so while I had nothing to do, I really learned how to play guitar. My dad taught me, and it was only for fun, though. Like, you know, after school and on the weekends, my dad and I, I loved country music growing up. I've always loved country music. So me and my dad would just sing together. If my brother was in town, we'd do three-part harmonies.

It was just fun. And I never thought that I would have a career out of it though it was always just for fun because I where I'm from you kind of do what your parents do when you grow up you know and my mom was an accountant so I I understood accounting so I was like maybe I'm supposed to be doing taxes I'll get to college and figure it out so that was was my mindset. So yeah, I feel like I had a very normal upbringing. Music was only just like a side thing. But I feel like what we see sadly, but also positive for those that have this kind of like rise,

like you was like, if you get to have a normal childhood, you have the best chance of keeping your shit together and not losing your mind and like going through it because people at a young age, it's important to have your formative years. If you can have normalcy and stability and not people taking photos of you as much as we all think at a young age,

that would be so cool. That's a lot to put a young kid through. And then it's almost like in their 20s and 30s, they want to go back and relive a childhood and recreate what they wish they had. You had a normal life. So you're now like coming into this and like, it seems like you're just like a normal girl

in the best way that like went to college and had pretty normal life experiences. You just mentioned your brother. I'm curious growing up, like were your brothers super protective with boys? Like what was the vibe in the house? So my oldest brother that plays guitar, he is about 15 years older than me

I think okay, and um so I didn't grow up with him, but my other brother is two years older than me Same my brother's two years older than me. He is like the sweet angel like I could not ask for a better brother So he was never like the brother that was like cussing my boyfriends out But he's definitely protective I dated his best friend. That was my first boyfriend. I love how I'm like, was he like protective and like did he scare boys away? Meanwhile, you're like, no, I ruined his life.

I dated his best friend. Yeah, they're not friends anymore. Megan! Yeah, that, I wouldn't go back and do that again. Wait, can you tell me the story, what happened? So I, it was actually actually really weird looking back. I was in eighth grade and he was a, what is that? A sophomore going to be a junior.

So I was about to be a freshman though. So he was high and on the baseball team and I started, I don't even know how we started talking. I think we started texting or something. He became my first serious boyfriend. We dated for two and a half years. He shattered my heart because when it was time for him to go to college, he made up some lie

and broke up with me and I was distraught. My mom had to sleep with me every night for a month. You know what's crazy is when you get older, I still probably would want my mom to sleep with me when I'm crying, but since we don't live together, if the proximity was there, would I still call my mom when I was heartbroken? Yes, if she would be in my bed,

I would even like that more and like sob all night. We also, I'm dead that that was then your brother's best friend. Like, and he was like chilling the house about it. Well, my brother is one of those things where he was like, well, he's making her happy. So I'm not gonna say anything. I know he's like the sweetest, sweetest angel.

But yeah, that didn't end, that didn't end well. Okay, because I know then the story doesn't it go like then you wanted to go to the same college as him? Yes, so me and my brother were like very close growing up. Like I wanted to be like, I wore my brother's clothes growing up. He played baseball, so I played baseball. I wasn't on the softball team.

I wanted to be like my brother. So when he went to the University of Georgia and my brother's a smart one, not that I'm not smart, but my brother is like, he'd never had to study for tests. He graduated with like a 4.0. I'm just like, ugh. Like, give me a couple brain cells.

Like Miranda Lambert has a song that says my brother got the brains of the family, so I thought I'd learn to sing. And I'm like, I resonated with that lyric so hard as a young child. You're doing fine. But I followed him to UGA. Yeah, so when I was a freshman, he was a senior.

Like he did my laundry for me. It was a perfect scenario. I live in the dorms, which were crusty as hell. He had a house, so we would have like pizza nights once a week. It was like very wholesome. Okay, wait, back to high school before we get to college. What were you like in high school?

I feel like I was very much a relationship girl. I had that boyfriend for two years. And then my second half of high school, I also had a boyfriend. So I feel like I was a cheerleader too, but I was also a musical theater. So I feel like I was friends with everyone, but I didn't feel like I really belonged in high school.

I was gonna say, like, if I walked into your cafeteria, what clique am I sitting, like seeing you with? Maybe with the cheerleaders, but on that very end seat. Stop. Because then your theater girls are over there and you're like, I like you. I know. Well, it was like the theater girls were like, should we trust her? She's a cheerleader.

And then the cheerleaders were like, I did not know who I was in high school. I would not say I peaked in high school. Okay, hold on. Did I read though that then you thought about going and following your high school boyfriend to college? Megan? I am a simp. Dude, I am, dude.

If he said go to this college for me, I would have been like, babe, I got you. I will absolutely rearrange my life for you. Not anymore, not anymore. No, we're reformed. Not anymore, we're recovered. Right, but okay, when you were simping, were you guys with the same age? This is not your brother's best friend. This is a new boyfriend. This is a new boyfriend. The day I got into

UGA, I was like, love you so much. Not really. Got to go. So crazy. Like I remember I had a high school boyfriend and when I got to Boston, I was convinced I was gonna stay with him. I'm like, we're gonna make it work long distance. The minute I got on campus and saw the junior boys, I was literally like, peace! Like, literally gone.

Dude, you get to UGA and there's guys that are like six, five there and you're like, oh my God. You literally don't even remember your ex-boyfriend's name. And you're like. It was so fun. Like, it was so much fun. ["Diamond and the Beast"]

Okay, you were in a sorority. I was. And like, I am from the Northeast. I went to school in Boston, like I don't, and I was an athlete, so I don't understand sorority life whatsoever. You need to like walk me through being in Georgia and being in a sorority. I feel like that is like the creme de la creme of like crazy sorority life. Tell me everything.

Like what was the best? What was the worst parts of it? It was insane. And I don't regret it. I think that being in KD actually, I was a Kappa Delta. And I wasn't necessarily involved in everything. Like I wasn't like planning it. Like I would go to what I had to go to, to not get fined. Wait, and it's Kappa, not to get fined.

Oh, wait, you get fined? If you don't go to chapter, you get like fined and stuff. Okay, wait, hold on. Maybe daddy gang like knows what the fuck is going on, but I need you to slow down first of all. What is, if you didn't go to chapter, you get like fined and stuff. Okay, wait, hold on. Maybe daddy gang like knows what the fuck is going on, but I need you to slow down first of all. What is, if you didn't go to chapter, did you say? If you didn't go to chapter, you would get fined. Or like if you couldn't.

So it's chapter. Chapter is like once a week. Something that could have been an email. I always went in there and I'm like, this could have been an email. But thank God I'm not studying for my test. This is awesome. What do you do at chapter?

You sit there. I'm like, I honestly, if I just drop it, I don't know. You're like, I don't remember, cause I don't wanna remember. No, it wasn't as culty as people make it sound, but there were some like things where we'd all have to sing together.

It was like only like once a month where you would like do the chants together. No, literally, like I'm not even kidding. We do a chant, come on. I don't remember it. Oh. I swear. Cap the, cap the one, two, three. Those were, that. Come on. I don't remember it. Oh, I swear That's rush week and anything you see on tik-tok that looks that insane is literally like the

It was an experience and I will say I wouldn't go back and change it. But like once you're out of it, you're like That is kind of crazy crazy. We paid to be it, we paid a lot of money to be in it, and if you didn't go to things, you'd get fined, but I did meet my best friends. Oh. And, I mean, my store already had 300 girls in it, though, so you're not gonna like everybody. Oh my God. Obviously.

I think that's kind of what they portray, is like, oh my God, we're the best of friends. If you're a Cap-O-Delta, then it's family. And, well, I don't disagree with that, but it's just like, it's hard to get 300 girls to get along. Yeah, but I met my very best friends through that, like my best friend, Natalie, we met the first day of rush and like, we're inseparable. She lives in Nashville, like, that's amazing. And there's like so

many others that I met through Katie and but it was definitely like being in a sorority in Georgia is exactly what you would think it is. What was your type in college? Like what guys are you going for? Douche bag. Oh, fuck. No, I'm just, that's not on purpose, but there's a through line.

You're like, and then it kept going out of college, which we're still unpacking. So in college, loved an athlete. Oh my God. Loved an athlete. College or professional, loved an athlete. Oh my God. Loved an athlete. College or professional, didn't care. Oh my God, Megan. Hold on, rewind.

Hold on, okay, so you weren't going for the frat boys. No. And so what sports on campus did we infiltrate? Football. See, I didn't have a football team. What the fuck? I had soccer and, oh hockey was like the main thing in Boston. Okay, the football boys.

It was brief though. And then I, baseball too, different college though. I dated a baseball boy that played at a different college. How was that? It was an experience. Did he cheat on you? Yes. I'm sorry.

It's like a right of passage. Can I be honest with you though? He's my favorite ex. Really? It's like a right of passage. Can I be honest with you though? He's my favorite ex. Really? Because he came around and apologized for his actions and was like, you know what? I did treat you like shit. I was immature.

And I can respect that. I can respect that too. It's like when they really like push you so down in the dumps to at least apologize because some of them act like you're crazy. Even if you like find the nudes on the phone. It's like that somehow got there. Speaking of that, so I had found a nude on a phone, and he said it was from a long time ago, whatever.

Actually, I didn't find it. He was going through his Snapchat, and then it just comes up. You know what I mean? And you're like, what was that? Wait, and this is in college? This was in college. So I was like, what was that?

And whatever lie he told, I believed him. Of course, you're like, babe, don't worry. More evidence that I was in a shower and I saw this like long piece of brown hair on the wall of the shower. And I convinced myself that his hair. No, it was, I convinced myself that that strand of hair came off his head. Megan, I thought you were gonna say you were going combing through your own hair being like there must be one piece of brown coming through. Bitch. What? Yeah, it was a low point for me and the best part is and like I will be out of all my exes like I swear he's one of my favorites because he's just him and I, it was an immature relationship.

I think he looked back at college and we were stupid, we were having fun and it was never that serious. And so that's how I view him. Wait, is he the one that you found the news on his phone? Yeah. Got it, so that's how you found out he was cheating. Yeah, that's how I had an inkling and then- But can I just pause you there?

I think that's a really, really good moment for us women to look at. When we get mad at our friends for not leaving their like pieceship boyfriends that we all know they're cheating, like think about what you just said. This man has short brown hair and you find a 22 inch long brown extension curled up in the shower and you're like, it must be Brad's. Like it must be like, gotta be his. Like the delusion.

He would never do that to me. He loves me. He said he loves me. This has to be his hair. It's the delusion runs so deep we can't even be mad. It's like you are blinded until you get out. You live in your life. Okay, what were you gonna say?

So I'm not a phone looker thrower. Okay. But I purchased his Apple Watch. Okay, so I looked through that No, I get what's worse that I bought it so it was my watch to go The genius sitting across from me. I have never been more impressed and you know what, you know what I did I I sent him a picture. I was supposed to meet him somewhere. I was still getting ready. He had to go early. I'm like crying out of happiness.

I'm literally just shaking. I sent him a picture of the Apple Watch and the text that proved that my suspicions were correct. And then he starts calling me a million times. I have packed up all of my belongings, put them in my 2010 Mustang at the time. And I went to the pool. What?

And I waited for him to get home. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. I need you to rewind, cause my brain just blacked out and like, and then she drove away. Hold on. You, what?

I sent him the proof. So he had to go somewhere. I was supposed to meet him. I sent him, he left his Apple watch. So I was like this is God's plan So gonna go through I send him the pictures. No caption. No, nothing. I just sent it to him What are the pictures? It's just texts where if they're like late like they went out and like she's like, oh your doors locked like that sort of stuff So I send him that no reaction. He's calling me a million times.

I don't answer. I wait until he's done at his event and has to come home and deal with me. And where does he find me? All of my shit packed in my car and I'm laying by the pool lounging. Are you like, are you in a bikini? Can I preface this?

I was in college listening to call her daddy at the time. I think this is your doing. You're listening to my voice be like, get a match, burn his home down, smile and take a selfie. I was like leaving right now, it's not good enough. No, you need to like relish in it. Just like, hi babe, the crazy eyes, like, did you get my text? I've been waiting for you to come home.

And honestly, can I be really honest? Yes. I simped and I stared at it. Okay. Makin'. Okay, this is what I'm talking about though, like being able to live life and go through college and be delusional and dumb has made me the person I am. To realize that like, it's okay to be that dumb

because one day you will grow up and be 26 years old and laugh at that I Am so appreciative of your honesty because you're just like I appreciate it. You're not too cool to be like bitch I stayed like absolutely I'm like so easily manipulated by What was his what was his lie? Well was see I don't even remember Must have been good. I think honestly, you know what it was, which now I have like a song that correlates, which this song wasn't even written about the situation, but it correlates, was like, I knew if I left,

I would have to go home and I wasn't supposed to be home, so my mom would ask me why I was there and then I have to get the mom involved. So I have a song called Mom, I Lied on my new record, which is not about this situation because he's sweet angel, we love him. This is about a different guy. He's a sweet angel, we love him. No, now, at the time, okay, we were mad at him for a while. You love all of your exes?

You love the Snapchat baby boy with the nudies? You love the man, does it say man? No, no, no, okay, I take it back. We don't love him, but compared to the rest. Oh, it just keeps getting worse. I love how Megan's like, and I just like, am the woman I am today, because take it back. We don't love him. Oh, but compared to the rest. Oh, it just keeps getting worse I love how Megan's like and I just like and the woman I am today cuz I got better You're like hold my shit. Actually Alex. The Mustang has nothing on then what I'm about to share with you Okay, did you unpack the Mustang alone? Did you do it? Like I think I love the next day and honestly shortly after that our relationship was never the same

And so it did take like two months and then after that big event, it was never the same. And so it did take like two months. And then after that big event, it was never the same. I will say when you are close with your mother, there's nothing worse. Like I did the same where I found out a guy was cheating on me. And I was just like, I have, I would rather stay than tell my mom right now. Cause I'm not ready for her to know

and the wrath of like her to protect me. I need to like live in the delusion just a little bit longer. I haven't decided if I'm really done yet. So when I tell my mom, it's over. Back to my first boyfriend, when I said I was gonna text him, my mom was like, I will turn your phone off. My mom monitored my text messages.

You're still on the family plan. She's like, I will cut the cord if you even try. Oh wow, I really love that about your mom though, because she's trying to keep you honest with yourself of like, you deserve better, but you're like, I don't want better right now, mom, this feels perfect. I know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so that was college.

And what are we, this is like sophomore, junior. That was sophomore-ish, I believe. Okay, okay. Did you ever like the same guy as any of your sorority sisters? Or no, you were like, you were out in the field and they were with the crap boys. I actually dated guys usually,

like I didn't actually date any guy at Georgia ever. Like they were always elsewhere. I'm not gonna lie, that is probably the best way to do it. So you can kind of keep your own shit over there and like not have to deal with them on campus. And it's a better way to go about it. I did the same exact thing. Actually, is it a better way to go about it. I did the same exact thing. Actually, is it a better way to go about it?

It's absolutely not. It's actually makes them be 10 times shadier, but it seems fun. Okay, what professional sports were we dabbling with in college, sweetie? Can I play the bib on that? I thought you were about to look at me. I don't know why.

Okay, can I be honest? You just gave me a look that I thought you're about to be like, I have a funny story. We have talked to the same man from like I wouldn't put I actually have a story for that at a later date oh we do know a same hockey man wait wait say to me we're gonna cut it who swear I don't want it out there either I'm married okay all of that is cut daddy I'm sorry just blue. Oh, okay. All of that is cut daddy thing. I'm sorry, I just blue balled you,

but we do know a similar athlete and it is not Slim Shady. He doesn't play that sport. No, I think he's like a neurotic sociopath. I wouldn't disagree. Put it past. Okay, okay. I need to hear the story afterwards because girl. Okay, we need to talk about college

because I think like we were just talking about you are having a normal life and all of a sudden in college, your life changes and like, from what I was doing my research on and I want you to tell the whole story like this wasn't a planned thing, right? This kind of just happened that all of a sudden your career took off. Tell us the full story if you can, if you don't mind. I'll try to make this brief. Okay. It's long, but so like I said, I grew up playing music with my family.

So I would post videos on Instagram sometimes of like our covers and if the harmony sounded good, I'd post that. And so I, when I got to college and I was in the sorority, I was known as like the country singer just because I didn't even write songs. I was just singing country songs with my family. So everyone was like, that's her. And so for one of our philanthropy events, we hired John Langston, which he's a country artist.

And we used all of our budget on him. So we didn't have money for an opener, but they were like, Megan is the country singer. She can surely get up there and entertain people for 20 minutes before John Langston comes on. So me, my dad, my brother played that gig. We played three cover songs. I think it was like two Miranda Lambert songs and one Casey Musgraves song. And at that

show, Chase Rice is there. So of course he was at the sorority, right? Of course, of course, Chase. Of course. Shout out Chase. He saw me perform there and was like, I have a show at the Georgia theater next month that isn't sold out. If you bring all of these hot girls to the Georgia theater you can open for me first of three. The only condition is that you write your own song because I don't want you to perform covers that's weird. And so I wrote one song to be able to do that and the rest were covers so I had 30 minutes and since like ever since I played that show like it completely changed everything and I was like this is what I want to do with my life. I don't know how I'm gonna make this happen,

but we're gonna do it, so. Dude, that is so crazy that like, it was like a hobby of yours, that you're like, I do this fun thing with my family, and then all of that. Was that crazy for your family to be like, you're taking off when it was kind of like, your guys like fun hobby thing together?

Yeah, like it was very surreal for my family to like see me perform at the Georgia Theater because that's like an iconic venue in Athens and for it to happen like so quickly, it was my freshman year. But even throughout college, you know, like I also like never skipped class. I was very into school.

So I was very focused on schoolwork. So I really didn't write that much in college. I really didn't start writing, writing all the time until COVID. So even in college, like I was very focused on schoolwork. So I really didn't write that much in college. I really didn't start writing, writing all the time until COVID. So even in college, like I was known, I was getting gigs and I was playing at the local restaurant for tips and literally like for 10 people,

but it wasn't like, oh, she's doing it. Cause it was also like, well, there's 10 people here and they're all your friends. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We, I'm so fascinated though, because if you weren't always writing songs, what was that first songwriting process like for you

when you had to sit down and start to figure out what your sound was and your voice? It's really interesting because I have no idea. I just sat down with the guitar and I was like, okay, you have to write a song. The first song I wrote was called Stay in Memory. And it was like, of course, like a fuck you song. It was like, stay a memory and don't come back.

And that's kind of the vibe of my music now. So I feel like I've always had that kind of like empowering, confident like vibe to my songwriting. And then my junior year, I feel like I wrote, I got my heart broken pretty bad and I started writing songs for therapeutic purposes. And it was like, ever since then, it's just been easy. I learned how to write by myself

and I always tell young songwriters, if there's anything you need to do, it's learn to write by yourself because you have a point of view, you know what you wanna say and if you can sit down and finish a song, then you've got it. Well, that's what I was gonna say

is what I love so much about your music is you can, yes, you can tell that you are personally writing it. And I appreciate when it's obviously very relatable because you're going through a lot of shit that women go through, AKA heartbreak. And when I'm listening to your songs, I have to ask, what would you consider your biggest heartbreak? My biggest heartbreak. What was the worst one my biggest heartbreak?

Like I think there's like a few that are tied. It's guys. I didn't date That's so dramatic But like I said, I'm I'm very sensitive and I guess you could say dramatic So what I've created in my head is always so much better and hard to let go of than what actually happened. Like with the guys that I've truly dated, like we see it through till we like, you know what I mean?

Like by the time it's like we're done. Okay, we're handshaking like peace. But it's the guys I feel like that have broken my heart the most are the ones that I never even officially dated. It's like the situationships where you are like half of the relationship is you laying in bed and fantasizing about what you'll be and half of the things you think about and fantasize,

they never even happen. Or they've showed you who they could be. And so in your brain, you create an entire scenario of what has not and will not happen. It's actually so painful and when you say it like that, though it does make more sense, you're right. Like when you're in long-term relationships,

you go through everything together almost. Right. And by the end, like I actually kind of understand when you're like the college guys that you were like, I love him, like he's great. Yeah, because you lived a whole like experience with him and it was like, it was time to move on. The situation ships where you're like,

are we something, are we not? I feel like your wife one day and then I feel like trash the next day. It's a motherfucking mind fuck. Are you someone that like can immediately get over someone though, or are you like on someone for a while? I feel like I usually sit in my sadness for a while.

Um, I, especially now, like I don't have time to date guys. Like I, so like, I feel like moving on in college was easier because you can just go out and meet some hot guy or like, I used to be on Raya. So it's like, you're just entertaining yourself with other dudes or whatever. Like, and then it's like, I don't have time for any of that now though. So I feel like. Okay. But do you ever feel like you put yourself in a situation,

because you know it's gonna make a great song. Alex. There are times where my friends have scolded me, and I've been like, hee hee hee. I'm like, no, the content we are going to get from this is going to be spectacular. Bear with me. It's okay to be fair.

I think when I look back at a lot of my show, I'm like, I maybe stayed in things longer cause I was like, God, this is gonna be a good episode. And at least we're getting to like put it somewhere where like a lot of times you hear girls be like doing it for the plot, but our plot turns into a song or an episode that is entertaining and fun and can help people.

So you know what? We can be the vessel of heartbreak and we can just keep going through it and then people are gonna feel better about their lives. So I don't judge you. I hope you know I've done it too. So I was asking because I was like, oh, I wonder if she's like me,

where we just stay in things like that. Don't make us happy. There will be times where there was a situation not that long ago where I did something and I texted my manager and I said we're gonna get a good song out of this Also, make me a therapy appointment. No No, can you know You were going through it. Yeah, it was just like a,

it was a fresh out the slammer by Taylor Swift situation. I wonder if I know who you're talking about. No. No? No? Maybe. I'm gonna get there. Don't worry, I'm gonna ask you a lot of questions.

You're not done. -♪ Don't know, don't know, don't know, don't know, baby. -♪ Do you believe in this, like, the classic saying, in order to get over someone, you need to get under someone now? I think you should go to therapy. No. You're like, actually therapy.

You're like, what I know in my brain is therapy. The reality of what I do? Well, I don't think that always helps because I think like I've tried that before and then it's like, you end up just missing them more. You know what I mean? Like it can go, it maybe works out, but I feel like for the most part it doesn't.

And for me, like when I go to therapy and then I tell my therapist how I'm getting treated, that usually like helps me get over it. Right, they're like, let me, that's so rough. Let me bring you back down to earth and like let you realize how you're supposed to be treated. I'm like, oh shit. That's the worst when they's like, let me bring you back down to earth and like, let you realize how you're supposed to be treated. I'm like, oh shit. That's the worst when they're like,

so let me say back to you what you just said to me. And I'm like, no. And she's like, so you just said he did this, this, this, and this to you and you called him the next morning. And I'm like, uh-huh. I'm like, of course. Of course. He said he was sorry.

Dude, that is humbling. Okay, so now I agree though, it's very rare if you're moving on from someone that you can find someone that will actually make you forget about the person that you're hung up on. That's fucking rare. I maybe in my life have had it once and then it also fades anyways.

Right, and then you're with the person and you're still thinking about the other person. So it's like, this is not good for anyone involved. No. Okay, let's talk about Megan now though, because we did, you know, I did catch when you said, you know, oh, it got worse. Just for a second there.

It got worser. It got worser, it got real worser. You get out of college and what happened after college? Did you get cheated on by another? I did, absolutely. Of course I did, Alex. So there was this guy, I moved to Nashville right after college,

literally during COVID. So that was like a horrible time to move anywhere, but I was just dying to get after it. So I can't remember if it was, I guess I had a boyfriend during COVID, that doesn't count. It was like a long distance thing. That was just like really stupid to try to date someone long distance during COVID.

I don't know what. No, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. But after that, I dated a guy in Nashville and well actually we weren't officially dating. Those are the worst. And like, I know I'm saying the story and everyone's gonna think it's about someone, but I'm just gonna say that it's not this person. Morgan Wallen?

It's not him. This is not this story. This is someone else. Okay, that's good for the next story. Okay, perfect. But this right now is not about him. I dated some guy. He had a whole girlfriend the whole time.

I was with him every single day. He had a girlfriend. Megan! He wasn't just cheating. The trust issues that are coming out of this episode. Dude and like I could not believe it. He was like low key insane though. Like when I first met him he called my friends into the bathroom. I was crying about the feelings he had for me. Like there was something not right up here. And that's who sleep on my side is about. So I have a song

called I sleep on my side and you sleep with everyone. That's about him. Dude, your voice in person is insane. It's like, what? What? But yeah, so I, and we weren't officially dating because I wouldn't date him because I had the feeling that I, you know, got.

He had a girlfriend the entire time. I get a hey girl DM. Nope. Yeah. No. Hey girl DM. Not a hey girl DM. Nope. Yeah. No. Hey girl DM. Not a hey girl. And she's like, I think you're talking to my boyfriend. And I was like, your boyfriend?

And then I can, like, once I cut things off with him, I immediately cut things off. Cause I was like, that is insane. I'm with you every single day and you have a girlfriend, like a whole girlfriend, not even just, and they've been dating for like years. I I can't men So did I confront him like did? Oh, of course. Yeah, I was like literally never speak to me again I know we're not break. I know we're not together, but we're breaking up

This man sends me flowers no the girl is trying to get information out of me Like I think you're being crazy like he's not actually with you And I'm like, girl, I'm telling you girl to girl, he sent me flowers. She was like, no, he didn't. He would not do that. He just said he didn't send you flowers. And I was like, and this guy, like I took, he met my family, not on purpose,

but just because there was a wedding during New Year's and I needed a date. Classic. It wasn't on purpose, but like, he like accidentally met my whole family. So it like wasn't just casual. but he accidentally met my whole family. So it wasn't just casual and he had a whole girlfriend. But the problem is, and I think this is a learning lesson for all of us, is the girl that's like,

no, I think you're being crazy blah, blah, blah. She's in her hair in the shower phase where she believes. She's like, he must be telling me the truth. She's a liar. She clearly probably figured it out one day. I felt bad and I literally was like genuinely run because if he can be that scary to you, clearly he's manipulating you really badly.

He's trying to lie to me too, but I've already been manipulated by Shower Man, my first boyfriend, the junior year guy. I'm like, girl, I'm watching out for you. You need to run. I think since I like see her on my for you page sometime, I think since then she has moved on. Oh my God, you're gonna say they're married.

I'm like, it's a classic. It's a classic. Damn. Okay. But yeah, that was a situation. And that was another thing where like looking back, I was like, he cried to my friends about liking me so much. I think screws were loose. some sort of manipulation thing.

I'm not sure what's going on there, but. That's when you know, like if it's too early on and he's like sobbing, you're like, first of all, why are you crying? Like, it's not that deep. We haven't even said we loved each other and we're also not even dating yet. So let's reel in the emotions.

What is this act? It's a performance. And my friends were confused because they were like, that's really sweet. But we're, what's going on? Right. And then clearly it's all a facade to like get you more attached and like get you more into it.

And then meanwhile, he has a full ass fucking family at home and you're like, damn. That was insane. Okay. So Megan. Hey. That's insane. Okay, so Megan. Hey. Did you date Morgan Mullen?

Never exclusively. And goodbye. Okay. Oh my God, thank you so much. It's been so much fun. And goodbye everyone. Let's go talk off camera. Okay, interesting, not exclusively.

So you, I think it's obvious and that's why like, I do appreciate you being honest because like, I feel like everyone kind of knows. And I have so tried to avoid that in every single interview I've ever done. But you're here, sweetie. But we're here now and it's time has passed and all is well, so.

Okay, is your song, Tennessee Orange, about him? I will not sing my songs about ever. You may have just did, okay. Um is your song Tennessee Orange about him? I will not sing my songs about ever You okay, oh, that's true. Yeah, we'll never name see Yeah, you won't confirm. Do you think he has any songs about you? I Have no idea lies lies lies. Okay. Why did the relationship end? Okay, so it was never a relationship. Okay. OK, here's what I'll tell you, though, because I haven't told anyone this ever. Here we go.

So him and I met in 2020. John Langston actually introduced us. So I was a senior in college. COVID hadn't happened yet. His Dangerous album wasn't even out yet. So we were friends for a long time. So it's what, 2024? That was 2020. So we were friends for a long time. So it's what, 2024? That was 2020.

So we're friends for a long time. We were not just friends. And now we're friends. I love that answer. Okay, so you guys had like a little thing. A little thing, but you weren't officially dating. Yeah, no, never officially dating. But as we talked about, Megan, those can be the worst.

Yeah, I will say, if anyone's overly sensitive and will get their heart broken and, yeah, it's me. How did you keep something like that private? It's not that hard. I feel like he's a very private person. You think? Yeah. So you kind of just maneuvered around.

Well, yeah. It was not like, like I said, we weren't exclusively dating ever. Okay. And I think both of our schedules, like we have insane, like when we try to hang out, it's like, okay,

we have this one day of the whole month where we're both maybe in town and then someone's got something going on. It was like that sort of thing. But him and I are friends. I think that's great. Obviously, you know I had to ask. I don't wanna make you uncomfortable.

I was like, come on, Megan, I had to ask. I know, and honestly, I just, because he's such a private person, it just feels like awkward talking about it. I think that you gave me exactly what we need to know. We can move on. Okay, are you single or are you in a relationship right now? I'm so single.

How is single life? I love it. I sleep so good. Oh. Like, no, nobody's son is stressing me out. Like, I'm in REM sleep every night. You know what I mean? Love.

And I feel like all of my free time is being spent with my girlfriends. Okay. And I can just really like enjoy being in the moment. I feel like, like I said, I'm very sensitive. So when I do date someone, like if we're having problems or whatever it may be, like it really does affect me.

Like I'm the someone where like, you can, my mood immediately is affected. So that's why I like a song like, I have a song called Hell of a Show. And it was like really hard because I would literally cry before I went on stage, I would perform and then I would go cry myself to sleep. And it's like, that was very difficult for me.

So it's, I'm way happier single for now at least. I feel like everything is so new still. So I'm enjoying not having to worry about that part of things. I feel like that was something that I appreciated when Taylor Swift released the song, "'I Can Do It With a Broken Heart'," that all of the fans for the first time were like,

oh, I didn't even think about that. These musicians can go on stage and give so much of themselves and be just so happy and performative and like because you know people are there to see you and you don't want to like bring your emotions into it but it was so helpful to be like you know you guys are also human beings like when you are on stage and you've been crying like up until you literally get shoved out there are those explain those type of shows to me.

Well it's one of those things where in my song hell of a show, I say, keep it together. I can keep it together for the room full of people here who love me better. And it's like, for those 90 minutes or however long I'm on stage, I am like genuinely happy. And to see like little girls, their eyes light up and they have, I love the girl in the mirror shirts on. It's like, it almost makes me crying over a guy. It's like, I can't believe that I'm letting him take away from this moment. So I feel like it's tough because like those moments right before you go on stage, you're literally like, holy shit, I was just crying. And like, I want to die right now. But there's like people that are chanting my name and I got to

put it on. But like while it's happening, it's like I'm just grateful anytime I can be on stage because I feel the love for my fans. And it's almost like a reminder of like, someone one day is gonna appreciate me and isn't gonna treat me like shit and we'll make these moments, like they will be here for these moments and not ruin them. I love that.

And I think you're so right. It's like being in front of all of your fans must be just like a euphoric feeling and it kind of puts things in perspective of like you are so talented, you're so incredible, you're so smart, like you're funny, like even sitting with you now, I'm like, oh, I feel like we're friends.

Like you're a great time, like the right person will come and those type of moments as hard as they are right before, it's like, it puts in perspective, you're gonna be fine. Have you figured out, like if I was to put all of your exes in a lineup, like do you have a type, personality wise, looks wise? Like what are we working with?

Personality wise, I love when someone can match my humor. I realized with my last boyfriend that humor is very important to me. You're like, I was falling asleep at dinner Alex, realized with my last boyfriend that humor is very important to me. Like I was falling asleep at dinner, Alex. Let's put it that way. And yeah, I just, I love humor. That'll get me, that'll get me real quick. Like what happened with some of my exes is that like I would be so mad at them and they would know that humor is my weakness.

So all they had to do is make me laugh and then I'm like we're so bad. You're like crying. But we're like so bad. I think humor is number one. I also realize like I want a guy, I realize that ego like I'm older now too and my last relationship like real relationship I would say was my last relationship, like real relationship, I would say was like one of my first real adult relationships. And I don't, I can't deal with any sort of ego. I felt like I wasn't being like supported. So that was like a thing, like he

didn't want to listen to my music. I'm sorry, I didn't know about his job. Sweet, hold on. So through therapy, I'm realizing that that's an ego thing and I'm like, oh, we can't do that. Hold on. First of all, even you just like, you on TikTok and your acoustics, like I was literally talking to all the girls and every girl was like, okay, like,

I just like wish she would sing for like two seconds so I can hear her voice. You just did it earlier and I'm like, you have an insane voice. The perks of dating a fucking musician is being like, babe, sing for me. And you get to be like serenaded. And he didn't wanna hear your fucking perfect voice.

No, he didn't. Well, there was like a time where, yeah, I mean, I don't wanna get too into it, but what sucks about therapy is that like, when you get into therapy, you realize that the problems are deeper than you. And it's like, then you just feel bad. So that's kind of, yeah.

Back to my type though, I think I need funny. I easily get blinded by abs and height. I've done a lot of dumb shit for like six, five. I love that. I've seen on TikTok, it's like, you rank what's most important. You like, some girls are super into like the arms or the back or the eyes, the teeth.

You're like abs. Oh my God, I'm gonna fold. I'm gonna fold. You're literally in a fight. He cheated. He just like takes off his shirt. You're like, we're back. So yeah, height too.

But like, I really, I think as far as like, I'm not looking for a relationship, but if I was to be looking for someone, I think they would have to be funny, supportive. And I think those are like the main two. Well, I think that something that I can immediately tell because you're so successful and you're this like young, gorgeous woman is like,

I can imagine you're gonna need to find a man that's so secure within himself because to have someone across from you and I've had it where like, you're a successful woman that already is intimidating to people, even if they're not dating you, like people are going to like talk shit about you. They're going to find a reason not to like you because like people get jealous or they're intimidated, whatever the angle is. And so for a man to not be able to be like, that's my fucking girl and like proud of you.

And instead like trying to make you feel insecure and like push you down and like make you not feel like you're like thriving, that can get so fucking toxic and can really impact you. Well, that's how I felt. Anytime I would be like proud of myself, it was like, he felt like he needed to humble me. And like, yeah. And like even so I got nominated for some ACM awards.

And I texted him, this was when we were like broken up and still trying to make things work. Cause like I said, I will be a dead horse till it's especially dead. And he was like, oh my God, that's so great. Congrats. And then it's like, oh my God, I have a crazy day. It worked, like just immediately, immediately.

Not like, oh my God, babe, let me take you out for dinner. We're gonna toast, this is so fun. Like, let's celebrate tonight. And I realized that that is gonna be important to me. But I also, then with fucking therapy, it's like, I do understand that it would be hard to date me. My personal life revolves around my work life, which is not for everyone. And I do understand that it would be hard to date me. My personal life revolves around my work life, which is not for everyone, and I totally understand that.

Like, anytime I get to hang out with you one-on-one because we're chilling is because my career is not in the way, which is almost never. So, I feel like that's why dating right now is just like really hard, because I don't want to let up on my career. I feel like I'm all in it right now, and I'm so much enjoying it.

And I told my therapist, I was like, am I being crazy? And she was like, you're 26, why would you not be all in in your career? Dude, I was also gonna say, I remember feeling like I was never gonna find a guy that could handle what I was doing. And I was the same way, I'm like, I'm literally not stopping. I have so much. I'm like, I'm literally not stopping.

Like I have so much I wanna fucking do. I'm so motivated and I wanna push myself. And then I promise you, it's once you just like get in that mindset, the right person will come along that like you're so good in what you're doing and you're so not willing to waiver and like have a couple months

where you get swept off your feet and you're not focused, that person will come in because no one else will be able to get in at one point because you're so locked in yourself. And that's when you're gonna find someone that you're like, oh, fuck, there he is cheering me on. And then he will probably have his own shit. I think it's important for people. And it doesn't mean career.

Whatever fulfills someone, you have to have your own shit to feel confident in yourself, to actually look at someone like you and be like, I am only happy for you. There's no jealousy. There's no like ego issue where I'm feeling like I have to like trump you. And that is when you're like, God bless.

Hold on, therapy. When did you get into therapy? I think about a year ago. Yeah, and I actually got into therapy because my producer, my producer is Christian Bush. He's half of Sugar Land. So, and he was someone that was like, you need to get a therapist.

He kept saying that to me. I think I would come in with like crazy ass stories and he'd be like, you need a therapist. Really great song, but let's all go. I know, like we're so happy. We love this song, you need therapy. And he kept saying it and I kept not doing it. And so he contacted my manager

and they booked the appointment for me. So I basically forced me to go. And I think that's the only way I was gonna go though. And I really got into it as like maintenance because like I said, I lived like 22, 23, very normal years of my life. And to suddenly be, you know, shot up into the spotlight that's why I needed therapy because I'm like I didn't know how to handle it's

just like having everyone talk about you is like the most terrifying or was the most terrifying thing ever and yeah I mean like all of the Tennessee Orange interviews were like my first interviews as an artist. So I was like scarred. That's, I haven't done like a proper podcast since like my career took off because of that. Because I was so terrified of interviews because I was like, that's all they wanted to talk about. And I get it. Of course. But I was like terrified. I think though, and I appreciate you bring that up because when someone, when this happens, anyone, like whatever it is, when you get any type of like publicity or notoriety,

I have a lot of empathy for people because it's like, there is no playbook that someone hands you of like, this is how to deal with it. And clearly there's no playbook because we've seen so many stars or comedians or musicians or personalities online, like either flop or succeed, but everyone has a bumpy road at some point because it's like navigating millions of people watching you

and like now everyone wants to know what me asking, like who you're dating and what you're doing. Like that's odd, but that's also what comes with it. And so like, I think you're doing an incredible job. Like I think you seem like you're super grounded, but I agree. I think like getting into therapy is important for me. Even I remember being like,

all these people are talking about me and like whether it was people saying something that wasn't true about me or saying something that was true, but like I wanted to defend myself or I didn't know. It's endless and you kind of don't know how to handle it and you can do it any way you want. It's just a dance because most of the time it isn't gonna fully portray you as a whole human being.

It's like quick little things people see on the internet. And I can imagine you're like, I have more to give than Tennessee Orange. Like I have so, but that's all that people cared about in the moment, it probably felt like to you, but it's like you're growing and you're changing and you're learning and like, you've gotten fucking incredible music. So. Thanks. Yeah, like since but it's like, you're growing and you're changing and you're learning and like you've gotten fucking incredible music.

So. Thanks. Yeah, like since then it's been better, but it was definitely like therapy was, I just think necessary too, cause I want to stay grounded. I want to like have check-ins and be like, we need to remain sane and mentally healthy. That's also though, I think how people last

in this industry, like I have so many people that come into this house and I have had a lot of people that I'm like, oh, I'm shocked. You're quite rude. And like, I didn't expect that. Or I'm like, holy shit, you are one of the biggest stars and you're the most lovely person. Like it goes a long way to like keep yourself in check

and be like not an egomaniac. And like how do your parents and your family feel about all of your success? They just, I mean, freak out. I played a show in St. Augustine that was like at the time my biggest headlining show. And after the show, their jaws are just on the floor. My dad's like crying through the whole thing.

They're just like, when did this happen? And they're just like, like their neighbors will come And they're just like, their neighbors will come up to them like where they live in Savannah. And they're like, my mom's like, oh yeah, that's our daughter. Just telling my whole life story. I'm like, oh god, maybe we should do some. Mom, PR training. Mom, shut up, mom.

Yeah. But that's cute. But they're definitely not used to it, which I I feel like I'm still getting used to it too, but they're especially like what the heck, even like on this, like my mom's like, tell Alex I said hi. We didn't tell him to go selfie after this, we're gonna be like, hi mom, we're here.

No, I think it's amazing, I think you're doing a great job, I think obviously with songwriters too, like when you are writing about your love life, it's going to open up questions for people and you are just gonna have to decide how much you wanna share and how much you don't wanna share and that's like, you're gonna figure it out. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Do you typically make the first move or do you wait for the guy to? I wait for the guy. Love. Okay. You've never made the first move. I have made the first move.

I would say right now, you got to come to me. I'm way too busy. I get it. You're like making effort. I don't have time to like scour for men. No, I get that. What is your, what is like an immediate turn off for you? What's your Snapchat?

Are people still fucking asking you that? They are. They are. And one guy asked me, once I said I don't have a Snapchat, he asked again and I was like, Babe, I deactivated it when I was 16, like leave me alone, no.

I feel like guys are so shady on Snapchat, that's like a warning flag also. I know, I was like, at what age do we stop? Do we stop? Now, now, 26, you stop. Yeah. Okay, what is your best and worst quality in a relationship? Best quality, I would say I'm very loyal.

Worst, I can't cook. Like I'm pretty useless in that. Okay, Megan, that is like fucking fine. Like some bitches come on here and are like, oh God, let me tell you. You're like, I can't cook? No, no, no, there's probably a worst one, let me think. No, it's okay, if that's it, hype yourself up.

I'm like, yes bitch, order in a steak dinner, you're fine. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. I'm loyal, yes bitch, order in a steak dinner, you're fine. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. I'm loyal, I think that's maybe a question for my ex-boyfriends. We call them right now. What do you think all your ex-boyfriends would say about you? Most of my exes, like my proper boyfriends,

don't, in not good terms, they get blocked. My last one actually deleted his entire Instagram. What? Why were people finding him? I'm not sure. That's none of my business why he did that. No, no. Why does it end on such bad terms? I think it's one of those things where

we probably should let it go before it gets to that point. And then it gets to a point where we're just like, this last time though, my last relationship, I will say was like a very mature, like once we were on the phone and once it was over, I've never talked to him again. And that's just like, is what it is. Like I, he had done something like over and over

that I had asked him to just be more conscious of. What? He had a girl best friend. And okay, I get girl best friends from childhood because you probably hooked up in high school and it was really weird and you're like, we're never gonna do that again. Okay, that's actually fair.

This was like two year best girl best friend. No. And all I asked was if you're gonna, cause I had felt weird, a little weird about it. Of course. And I was just like, whenever y'all are are together just like send me a text let me know because something had happened when I was in Australia where I was having to track him it's like a long thing so I took him back after that like I'm saying I got

better I never got better I'm such a simp Alex I'm a simp! I love how this is a full circle you're like call my therapist! Call my fucking therapist! No I'm literally lover girl simp like one one thing about me, I'll give you 8,000 chances for you to show me that you're not the one. But anyways, this had to do with a girl best friend. All I wanted to know, I somehow was like, it's fine, because I did believe, she's a nice girl. I just was like, can you please just let me know

when you're all together? I found out once again, he did not let me know that they were together. And so we were perfectly fine. Like we were doing better. He does that calls me and I was like, yeah, it's just like that I can't do this anymore. I'm like, right.

Cause you're becoming crazy. It be, yeah, I become crazy. I'm like, it happened when it started in Australia. I was like, I'm across the world right now. It's a different day and I'm tracking your ass. Like I don't have time for this. Like I'm, I'm about to go perform for 25,000 people at this festival.

And like, I'm worried about time for this. Like I'm about to go perform for 25,000 people at this festival and like, I'm worried about your damn location. Oh, the self is coming out. I love how the accent just goes up when you're like, let me fucking tell you. I know. Oh, on my location? I'm obsessed.

Oh my God, Megan, no, let me just validate. Now I'm sweating for you. I also got chills though when you're like 25,000 people and I'm fucking tracking your ass. Like it puts it in perspective. Like these boys, these boys. I'm literally just a girl. No.

Dude, that is fucked. And let me tell you what makes me bad is many things. What the fuck is wrong with you just being so chill and open being like, just let me know when you're hanging out. That's all you ask. You didn't say you're not being controlling. Like you are not allowed to hang out.

After the sixth time, I would then be like, I don't feel comfortable anymore, but you're being so chill and open and he can't do you the decency. So then naturally any fucking human being, if you tell someone to just tell you when they're doing it and they don't, you're being shady. So what's happening when you're hanging out

that you don't want me to know? And like, it may have never been shady, but it's like, if you don't have the decency, I just ask you to do a very simple thing for me. But disrespect. And like, because you already broke my trust with the Australia thing, if we could build this back, you could build it back by letting me know,

but because you, like, and I feel like with therapy, how I've grown in that way, obviously I gave him a million chances, but once it was, and I feel like with therapy, how I've grown in that way, obviously I gave him a million chances, but once it was over, I was like, okay, you don't care about me or my feelings. And if I'm gonna date someone right now, you gotta be spectacular, because I'm so busy and this just isn't working.

So it honestly ended amicably. I don't know why you deleted since Instagram. I was about to say, I love how you keep flip-flopping. You're like, no, we're friends, we're friends. You're like, none of my exes are our friends. I think I pretend that we're friends, but why did I block him?

He deleted his Instagram. Yeah. There was a fire over on that side of the country, but it's fine. I'm insane, I guess. No, it's totally fine. You know what? I think it's like you acknowledging all of this.

It's like you're recognizing patterns and you're seeing it. Half the people that come in here, sometimes I'm like, wait, you realize that you're like completely aware of what you're doing. And I think it's awesome that you're now like, and I have a standard now because I'm working my ass off. Your new album, I just have to say,

like it's so incredible to see you put something out that is like so personal. And also I feel like everyone, like I said, everyone can relate. I'm listening to these things like, yes, oh my God, this has happened to me before. I appreciate it. What is the inspiration?

Like when you sat down to even start conceptualizing this album, what was the inspiration? Literally my personal life. Like every single one of these songs is inspired by my real life. So it was like, I write songs when I feel like I need to, like when I feel like it's literally therapy for me. I don't know, like music,

writing songs has saved my life over and over. Like, cause I don't know what I would do with like those emotions. It's like, once I can write it down, then it's just a song. It's like, it's almost like it didn't even happen to me. You know what I mean? And I don't know if that's even a healthy way to look at it.

But I think it is. It's like you pour it all out and then you're like, and then it's like, okay, well it can be done. And now that can be used to like heal people. And that is what it's my story, but now it can also be other people's story. And I think, but yeah, for this album, it's literally about my life, same as all of my songs.

I literally shout out to everyone who inspired the album. I love you so, so much. We also love you so, so much because it's fucking fire. Okay, the Daddy Gang is insane, and I feel like a lot of times I'll ask people, like, either what is your favorite song or what is, for you, the most meaningful song? And I know that's hard, but then they're gonna go stream it.

So what is the most, in your opinion, like meaningful song to you on this album? Meaningful, I would say Heaven By Noon. Yeah. Tell us a little bit about that writing process. Yeah, so Heaven By Noon is a song about loss and grief. And it's like the feeling of you're happy that they're not in pain anymore,

but you selfishly wish that they were still with us. And that song was inspired by my uncle who got killed on 9-11. He worked at the World Trade Center and he worked on the 101st floor. And that song was kind of written with my aunt in mind. And I just can't imagine, you know, having that happen to you and it happened to a family member.

And I know that music is very healing, so I'm happy that I wrote that song and I'm happy that it's out in the world. And I know I was only four years old when that happened, but the way it's affected my family like forever and will always affect my family. I just had never written a song about loss, and I think that it was important to write. And, yeah, we all miss my Uncle Dennis. I mean, that's so beautiful. I just got chills because I'm thinking about like,

everyone has that thing in their life and that person that they've lost. And I feel like to have a song that you can turn on when you're like missing that person, or you're like, sometimes like you want a good cry. You know what I mean? And to be able to turn this on and be like thinking of that person.

And I think that's what's so beautiful about songwriting and like what you're doing is like, everyone's gonna find their own angle in, but everyone's gonna find an angle in because like that is life. That is loss is life. You know what I mean? It's like everyone goes through it

and everyone has their own experience with it. But like that is so powerful that you're someone that's now putting out a piece of work that people in a beautiful way are gonna cry to and slowly heal from. I think that's incredible. It's amazing. It's literally amazing.

I think we wrote it in a very general way. Obviously you would never know that that's what the song is about, but that's why I wanted, I just feel like in all aspects of my life, I turned to music and that's not something I'd written about yet. So we decided to for this album. I feel like you just did such an incredible job

and I feel like I'm happy I got to meet you because obviously seeing you online and your songs, it like, we see so much of you, but this, I fucking love you. I'm like, this was so much fun. Like college Megan would have a stroke. Dude, literally like I, but that's so cool to like know that in college you were like living a normal life

and your whole life changed and now we're sitting here. Like, I feel like people at home, this is like the story people fucking love. It's like literally anyone watching this right now, your life could change overnight. And I think that's why like going after what you love and doing what you love, like don't let anyone fucking make you feel small, especially a little fucking dick

that's like, I don't care about your fucking awards. Like, well, you should, and if you don't, bye bitch. Little dick energy. And I know I said this earlier, but like to even in college, I know like Call Her Daddy was, I was walking around campus being like, yeah, block him. Wearing my unwell hat and just listening to like bizarre stories.

But to see like the brand that you've built, it was like so inspiring and yeah, you're incredible. Thank you so much. No, thank you. I want last question to ask, that is actually weird though, to think like we were kind of at that same point when you're, we're all like saying block him and now growing together, like hearing you're

in therapy being like, okay, I need to change things up. That's what has also been so fun about this show is growing with the audience and being like, for sure we can be toxic as fuck and there is no one better at literally- And I personally think you have to be toxic in order to heal. Because if you're just healed-

Yes, what the fuck? Right, like what the fuck? Boring! There's a time and place to be healed. And trust me, the toxic will always lightly be there, but it's not toxic, it's more just a little bit of the crazy. And if you are being toxic, you're aware. Sometimes, Jess.

Shout out to therapy. Sometimes Matt literally looks at me and he's like, Alex, you're being like old, you stop it. I'm like, oh, sorry, I just wanted to feel something for a minute. Sometimes the crazy comes out, but it's controlled crazy. Agreed. Because of therapy. Okay, last question.

For anyone who is getting to know you today and is becoming a bigger fan, what do you hope they take away from this interview and learn about you? I mean, I hope it draws them to my music. I think that on my album, it feels just like living. I say it's like living as a 20 something year old, but it's also, I feel like anyone could find something

that they want or like, and it's just about life. And so I feel like if you're a fan of mine, hopefully you get to know me better. I feel like it's hard. I try to let people get to know me, you know, on the internet and at my shows, but I feel like this is the first time I've like sat down after everything has happened. So I feel like this is, yeah, I hope everyone feels like they know me better and maybe they find the song they like.

I feel like I know you better. I love you even more. And your personality is fucking amazing. And you said before we started talking, you were like, I don't know if I like my voice. You have a fucking amazing voice, shut up. It's so annoying. I'm not gonna even be able to listen to this back. It's like nails on a chalkboard. Trust me, you crushed it. Thank you so much for coming on.

This was like an honor. I'm so happy we got to meet and hang out. I love you. I love you. I love you too. Thanks for watching!