Call Her Daddy - Morgan Stewart McGraw: Boobs and Loubs

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

Morgan Stewart McGraw joins Call Her Daddy to give us the advice we all need to hear. Morgan hits us with some hard fashion truths … say goodbye to your cut-out dresses, wedges, and even your beloved ankle boots. She opens up about her marriage to musician Jordan McGraw, and discusses how the two found their way back to each other after almost ten years apart. Morgan shares what it’s like to have Dr. Phil as a father-in-law and whether or not it’s too much living in the same city as your parents and in-laws. The pair discuss everything from weddings and the end of bridesmaids as we know it, to celebrity hall passes, to befriending strangers when drunk, and more.

what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy morgan stewart welcome to call her daddy thank you so much i'm so excited i am so excited to have you here you got your start on rich kids of beverly hills yes i did shout out yes um you transitioned to host multiple shows on e multiple yes you have impeccable style thank you and you make it look effortless like and achievable you're the kind of person that I'm like screenshotting and trying to like remake it good I don't ever remake it well but like you're the inspo I like that how did you pick your outfit today I'm very gen I'm in my gen z feelings today so this is the first time I've ever worn these shoes and I bought them because I was like I need to be I'm a mother now so I need to be able to wear things

that are convenient to running around and I was like I'm never gonna wear them and then I was like you know what today is the fucking day I'm putting them on and then I had these pants they don't actually look good on me but I always this is my feet they don't the pleats in the front make me look like like they're warping my thighs inward but I will tell you I am very big on everything I buy I make sure to wear it once even if it was the wrong choice if I have not returned it I always want to make sure that I've at least put it on my body so it's not a waste and that's really how this all happened and then I was going to wear a navy turtleneck oh do we have enough time to listen to all this bullshit yeah I was going to wear a navy turtleneck and it read too dark so then I

grabbed this and then I was like is this too much like a t-shirt that's how it came together and I just left I'm just geeking because I'm so happy your shoes are clean because this is a disaster set and I tell you people come on with the dirt can't have it I was also going to tell you they are they have not been in the world I have never had someone go into that much detail when I asked them that question and I actually appreciate it I like to give you an experience how do you describe your style? Woo. Um, it's classic with a little bit of a flair. I don't get into the trends. I try to avoid it. I've been able to get into the trends lately because my husband has more accessible income so I can like fuck up more. I love, but if you are on a budget, you should be buying a white

and a black t-shirt, two pairs of jeans, black and blue, a black blazer, a beige blazer, and like, keep it moving. Don't get into the like crappie tops. If you have to replenish your closet a lot, don't do that. Just go with the basics. Just go with the basics because they never, ever, ever, ever, ever leave. That's why they're called classic. Like getting into the like Barbie stripper vibe right now. I can't do it. So you're just taking your husband's credit card. Oh yeah. Well, no, I have my own on his account. Oh, love that. Oh no. So you're not spending your own money no ladies this is no I'm not I gave two children to this person two in one year and one day apart okay I mean it was a woman yeah it was a lot but it was amazing the best thing I've ever done until you earn this I've earned it and I will tell you because I get on this tangent I'm always

like I'm not that it is still a little bit strange for me because I'm somebody that has my own money I'm still getting paid out at E shout out shout out so I really you know a part of me is like well I could just pay for this but I just feel like let him let him right thanks babe yeah yeah you go have a kid exactly exactly what is a current fashion trend that you love even though I know you said you don't like trends if you had to pick I think the sneakers right now I feel like sneakers are really big I feel like girls are wearing them all the time and that's something that I'm getting more into that's that's what I like are you into the dad sneakers like the new balance I am okay by the way I had those like in the seventh grade things always come back it's crazy but I haven't gotten a pair they've been hard to find I got one pair recently

and someone that I work with complimented me on them and I was ecstatic because I didn't really know like I'm sometimes like just going with it like I think this looks good but I didn't really know for sure and then I put them on and like within an hour someone complimented me on that I'm like oh my god I'm in the right lane yes I know what I'm kind of doing I'm happy these are back they never left for me doesn't matter whatever year I'm obsessed with an UGG and I will do like an UGG an UGG to the knee to the knee I'll do it oh yeah did you ever get rid of yours never thank god I had to get rid of one black pair because they were really they had seen the light of day it was like disgusting I had the sand color when I was in seventh grade yeah I had to throw them out

because they were to the knee and they were just at that point brown brown so it wasn't as cute I get it the UGGs when people are like they're so ugly no they're not and they're comfortable amazing and even like the super cropped ones with the platform now I'm trying to get my hands on those but I can't find them I just got a new closet I just moved into my new house okay and I've heard that you're the queen of organization I am really I've become I need like a little tip for all the girlies listening and for myself what is an organization tip that you have that's just a good go-to to remember when we're trying to organize our closets organize your closet based on season so now I'm transferring summer things out it's I don't care what anyone says California we still have seasons yeah it's fall no linen no even my son was in linen yesterday

I was like oh no Chris don't know linen he's not in linen anymore it's October your son eight months but why are we in the linen joggers he has new like sweat joggers. Who put him in linen joggers? My nanny I was like no Chris no oh we can't do that. So you had to be like listen we're not in season. No we're not in season no linen. Do you like how your husband dresses? I do oh this is such a question. Okay so I really love the way my husband dresses I will say and I a sign of a mature relationship and how I've grown is I also do not control it. He can wear what he wants. I don't have the energy to change things.

We are not stylistically completely on the same page, but I appreciate what he wears because it works for him. The transition where, why are you asking me everything that's going on in my life? The things that we transition now, it's the transitioning from day to night where I would like it to be a little bit more formal, but we're having a hard time finding that happy medium because he still wants to be himself and I'm like but just wear the crew neck sweater and the jacket right but does he get annoyed by you when you try to tell him what to do like it's not a conversation and he's like a silent strong person he's not a loud strong person

which is actually worse I know because I'm like oh he's like has this power over me but nobody usually does yes but I do like it is, he's like, has this power over me, but nobody usually does. Yes. But I do like it. Is that normal in your relationships that you usually have the power? Oh, yeah. I usually like dominate and like, and completely like,

you know, I overpower people. But I feel like the people that have been in my life in the past that I've dated have always somewhat wanted to, we've, they've almost wanted to be like me.

Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a way, like I exude like a strength that I think is appealing to males and then they're like whoa this is maybe too much but with my current husband I don't need to do that because we're just really balanced that's really interesting I can relate to that about first they're so attracted to it and then they get in the relationship with you and then it's a full

for sure thing and that's when they get the most insecure but in the dating phase they're they love it and then you settle down and it's like it's the same thing as when girls are like wait why did you like when I posted bikini photos when we weren't fully exclusive but now that we are you're like all scared and you're going and running and liking other girls bikini photos like pick a fucking lane pick a lane that's really interesting okay so the husband dresses to your liking yes he does but you could elevate a little bit I would I wouldn't even elevate it I would transition small things and I'm only talking about at night so mine is kind of the opposite which is so strange my boyfriend I've never dated a man like this has the best

taste oh my god it's so nice right he really knows how to dress okay and he really understands design like we just redid our house and he was like we don't need to get that big of a designer because like I know what we need. Smart. And it's like shocking to be in a, if anything, it makes me insecure because I'm usually the one, the guys that I've ever dated,

I'm like, I don't give a fuck what you think I'm wearing. This relationship, I'm like, okay, he has better taste. And I have to accept that. Which is honestly, that's so smart because I feel like my husband like accepts it, but doesn't think our taste is as different as it is, even though it's not. I think that's a- You're like, it's so fucking different. It's so smart because I feel like my husband like accepts it but doesn't think our taste is as different as it is even though it's not I think that's a you're like it's so fucking different it's shout out you're listening to me it's it's very it's that is very smart of you

because it's so nice to have that right just accept it yes someone's gonna have better style and taste lean into that totally rather than try to just totally equal it's not everything has to be equal in a relationship I agree with you okay good yes what is your take on matching your children's outfits is mommy and daughter gonna be wearing the same thing and are your children gonna be wearing the same thing no and no absolutely fucking not like you don't have friends like you don't need to dress your kid like to you like you don't didn't you do that when you were in seventh grade no my my mother she made my sister and I wear the same things for like Christmas but that

that is also like a traditional thing and I feel like that's also that was our parents generation I feel like that's like I get the Christmas photos and you're in the little blue dress or whatever do you send out a holiday card oh my god I haven't but I guess I'm going to this year why because I feel like I should do that it's like an image it's a mature nice thing it's like a way to send a photo of your family with like it being in line with it being appropriate like it's fine it's an excuse to get a photo out of you guys right so yes I will send a holiday card out I did not send one last year are you going to be figuring out the outfit yes okay wait I did a photo shoot with my kids and they did wear the same outfit I forgot but can

I tell you they were leggings they were he was like three months old and she was however old she was and it was they were in like beige leggings and a long sleeve shirt like it was like pajamas it wasn't and we were all in beige my husband's still mad at me about everyone being in beige completely contradict I like I would never have my kids match oh my god i but by the way it wasn't like it wasn't supposed to be a fashion statement they were just supposed to blend in if that makes sense i get that oh okay just you wanted your kids to blend in because you wanted to stand out yeah exactly exactly that's good do you think your daughter's gonna have the same personality as you yeah how are you gonna deal with that i don't know she already brings me to my knees she really really

is so strong you can really tell about children you can tell who's gonna be the fucking loser who's not gonna have friends I'm kidding I'm so kidding her friends I'm like oh dork uh no I'm such a bitch by the way it's hilarious because every mom thinks that every mom analyzes it but I will say I think that I can tell she's extremely sweet inside genuinely and I'm not saying that because she's mine and then there is a side that's quite fierce and strong-willed so I do I think we're quite alike where do you think you got that from you know my I feel like I'm very much like my mom but she's less crazy and less like she's crazy in her own way but not as out outward as I am she's a little bit more conservative a little bit more dialed back did you get in trouble in school at all so this is so weird because every person I've ever been

interviewed by in this context has always asked me that and always asks my mom that and I never got in trouble I was never late for curfew I never it was only in my early 20s that it was a little messy because I was kind of in love and dating the wrong person and by dating like I was dating him he was not dating me oh god love that I was like well I'm coming over he's little messy because I was kind of in love and dating the wrong person. And by dating, like I was dating him, he was not dating me. Oh, love that. I was like, well, I'm coming over. He's like, no. And I was like, no, I'm coming over.

And that's when I think my mom called me a few times because I was like, you know, I had been in college and then I left college and she was like, what the, what the, where are we going here? What the fuck are you doing with your life? I think why people probably ask you that is because I think you had this very like outspoken, confident nature about you that I would see you as the person in class telling the teacher that he had the answer wrong so you were just not like that I was not like that but I also struggled like intensely in school I had a really hard time

I definitely had like severe learning disabilities that were not diagnosed to like my senior year of high school it was like she's failing math every year what's wrong let's ignore it and keep her going and then in senior year they're like you're not going to graduate so I had to go do a night school and pass the class I had to see a math psychologist because I had such a bad learning disability so I couldn't I didn't to be honest with you I don't know how I know how to spell so I could never I was not like that so I kind of just shut my mouth as much as okay that makes sense yeah like you weren't confident in that aspect so you're like I'm just gonna sit here and listen right but then outside of the school doors you're't confident in that aspect. So you're like, I'm just going to sit here and listen. Right. But then outside of the school doors, you're like running shit. Exactly.

Like the playground, you're thriving. Oh, yeah. Just not where the desks are. Exactly. That makes a lot of sense. Yes. And I think that's great for your career also that worked out. Exactly.

You've got a great personality. Thank God. Okay, what is a hot take that you currently have? I know you had a show on E! Obviously, Necessary Realness. Are you sad it's done no I just think that's the stupidest decision anyone could have made I mean literally like the duck like you you know how many people do interview how many people really impress you

good talent is hard oh it's very hard and and somebody being manufactured by like whatever circumstance they're around that makes them popular doesn't mean that oh so they kicked you off oh they ended the shows they ended the shows they put an end to nightly pop daily pop and they were like we're gonna sunset necessary realness I will tell you necessary realness was like my little show I love doing it I love the people that worked on it I definitely was it's not a negative because I it was time for me to go and figure out what I really want to do but are they coming up with new shows to replace you guys I have no idea.

They're doing an E! News reboot. So they're bringing back the show that they got rid of five years ago. Oh, that sounds relevant. Uh-huh. And so they're doing that. I don't know. And beyond that, I don't know. But I will tell you, I saw Psychic when I was redoing my contract last year.

And he said, I would sign this deal. You're not going to be in it for the remainder of the time you've signed up for. And I was like- Maybe they work for E! News. Maybe your to be in it for the remainder of the time you've signed up for. And I was like. Maybe they work for E-News. Maybe your psychic is low-key working. No, this psychic has told me things. He told me that I was going to name my son with a G name. I was like, yeah, right, Gary.

Who the fuck has a G name? There's no way. Like, there's no possible way my son's going to have a G name. And it's gray. And it's gray. It's a good name. Yeah, it's a good name, right? It took a long time.

Okay, well, now I need the psychic's number. Oh, I'll give it to you. He is. He will. Change your life. No, it's like not. It's like he's he's a medium it's no joke were you sad the day it happened I was emotional because I had been with everybody for so long but I genuinely I had done six years of 5 a.m workout wake-ups I was doing at one point the most I was doing four shows a day I mean I I worked like it's not physically possible or sustainable to work the way I worked. I'm grateful for the experience, but I was, I was, it was a mutual feeling of,

okay, it's time to move on. I had been feeling like I had hit the ceiling there. Was it affecting your relationship or anything? It wasn't affecting my relationship with my husband now. It wasn't, no, it was fine. He knew I wanted to do this, but also we were in the pandemic. So the last few years hadn't been consistent. and then I also had two babies in two years so I like it was it was the perfect time to to part ways wow yeah I have so much respect for how you managed that

show because you kept it so real and I think sometimes on tv especially those formats can come off a little like scripted and stuffy and just like a little like, do I believe that's actually her personality and you were like fully able to be yourself, which is great. And they did a good job with that because they had to edit out quite a bit to keep it safe to a little bit. That's great. Yeah, that's great.

So shout out to that. Shout out. Thank you. Yes. What is a hot take? Let's pretend we're on the show. What is a hot take that you currently have? So it's hilarious because my PR sent me this like that was a question. I was like, what is a hot take let's pretend we're on the show what is a hot take that you currently have so it's hilarious because my PR sent me this like that was a question I was like what's a hot take so I asked my agent I was like what is a hot take like what is it she goes well

hot take I have is that you can be friends with your ex everyone's friends with their exes and I was like I'm gonna steal that and I'm gonna credit you I always credit people by the way love that I never take someone's fashion I nothing I always right well you can't you'll get canceled yeah exactly by the way um and I then was really thinking about it and I was like no you can't wait no you can't no you can't she was like I'm gonna read you the quote read me the fucking quote because I'm gonna do a whole episode on this no you can't because only if you are in a new relate if you're in a relationship if you're single sure be friends with all your fucking exes also I by the way I was gonna pull it up and I was like it's so much but just read it the reality is is that if you're so able to be friends with your ex then

why are you breaking up right okay so I said that I think there are a lot of factors that go into make literally my homework do you love it I think there are a lot of factors that go into making a relationship work and making someone your person your long-term partner I have a laundry list of reasons I am not with exes but there are definitely a lot of reasons I like them in the first place that still exist the majority of people on this planet are people you will not have a connection to not have any chemistry with and so when you find someone you actually connect with that's rare and wonderful and just because it doesn't work out romantically for you why does that mean those people should be out of your life completely let's talk about this it's no fucking way okay tell me your take on that I don't think

it's first of all I don't what you said I think is accurate I think you cannot be friends with an ex unless you were not ever in love with them and you didn't share a genuine romantic connection because if you're walking away from the relationship so easily and able to revisit then why separate at all no I completely agree I think I've had relationships where I'm like oh like like one of my college boyfriends I'm like oh like he was so cute and like I just walked all over him and I feel bad for that and like he's such a good guy yeah and like if I ever saw him we'd be totally chill totally I'm not texting him absolutely not that's so strange why do you want if you want to be friends with them you probably want to be in their lives for other i just don't i but but it works for her there's no

like but i agree with the the sentiment of like i don't hate everything about them of course not but you take that with you and you move you move along you move along you don't need to be marinating over there in that like oh like i love this part of him so i want to like keep it keep it going in my life exactly well i think that if you're single you can absolutely be friends with ex I would say be cautious about that though because then you're not moving forward and you may just keep going back into that awful cycle however the minute you get a new partner the only way to be able to have like a healthy relationship is to move on from your past relationships agree someone that's been inside you or you've been inside them or putting something in whatever hole I get it let's just move on move on from your past relationships. Agreed. Someone that's been inside you or you've been inside them or putting something in whatever

hole. I get it. Let's just. Move on. Move on. You can totally respect. Agreed. But it doesn't need to be a texting buddy, buddy.

Let's get lunch every week. Okay. But didn't I get, I did my homework because that's a hot take, right? I'm so impressed with you. Yeah. Did you do your homework for this question? What was the next question? Because I was wasted for four days last week.

What are the questions? Wait, where were you again? I went to Napa for my husband's birthday. And I mean, we, we, I mean, did not. not I mean today is even a struggle for me are you okay I'm okay you look great thank you well I got a glam for an hour and a half I was like Tammy we got till 10 15 I'm not gonna be late she's like your eyes are small I'm like I don't care you need to just do the mascara she's like more lashes I said it's 11 a.m we don't need more lashes Tammy I'm leaving so that's it I think you look great you look so beautiful everything is put together your teacher outfit

is that what you said this is literally it's my teacher I literally by the way it's like it's my Gen Z teacher look I am obsessed with it thank you okay also I've never been to Napa is it good great I mean that's your next place okay it's so close it's unbelievable do you recommend going there as a couple or like with friends and like a bunch of couple and couple friends it's not a single girl's place you really can throw a party oh yeah I'm honestly that might be my next career oh I love it so much a party planner I I could be a serious party planner I'm like it took so much work to plan this birthday and I really thrived I I saw the um things you made for your husband for his birthday and I was like the the every single little detail

I couldn't even come up with that in a year no it was a lot but I will say shout out to my mother-in-law because she really helped me she is like Oz she is like a magical wizard that like will like just come up with these like insane ideas. And it'll just, she got 22 pieces of metal engraved in 24 hours. She's like, I can get it done. Don't worry. I can get it done. I said, she said, there's nothing I can't do. She literally had it all fucking done.

I was like, there's no way. She had a neon sign. My assistant picked it up that morning and drove it to Napa. It was done the morning of the party. How nice is it to like your mother-in-law I we are I will not to get too crazy and deep we are like kindred spirits through life have you had the opposite before even if it wasn't like an absolute mother not like not bad I've never had a bad relationship with anybody's mother but definitely not to this level yeah because I've had like the the son mommy dynamic where it's a little too incestual that you're like do you want to fuck your mom or me like what I can't what's going on that's not the guy for you

I can just no it does not work it doesn't work at all no it does not work it's it's so it's such a turnoff also 100 sexually yes and it's like oh you have to call your mommy every couple hours like get it together we're adults. Get it together. And that's something I have to think about with my son. He's got a sweet spirit so I

might need to smack it out of him soon but he's adorable. They're good kids. And they've got great names so they're immediately cool by association. Also you. Thank you.

The whole thing is going to work for them. Thank you. Okay what is a hot take that you've had in the past that you no longer stand by? Okay I used to have a okay mine that I used to not like Anne Hathaway or her style and now I love her oh my god is that a hot take so good I used to not be able to look at her I was like oh my fucking why does she annoy me to this level now she's my idol she's my queen I don't know what the fuck she's done it's that subtle actress work that's just puffing the right things up

the cheekbones are sunken in the right way the outfits I'm inspired by them it's that it's the tousled bang. She's back right where she needed to be in Devil Wears Prada. I can't handle I love her. And we loved her in that movie. Loved. Who didn't love her? Yes, and I love her now. I think she went through a really weird phase where people were just shitting on her. Hated her.

It was when she was hosting the Oscars and it was just like too theatrical and I think what it read as, as we've touched on, it's the inauthenticity that people just

don't have time for. Was she in Les Mis? Yes. Because it was too theatrical and we're like, we want you back, Princess Diaries, our queen, like give it back to us and she's back we want you back princess diaries yes our queen

yes like give it back to us and she's back in her era yep so i think that's a great hot take that you used to have and then you don't agree with and now you you know you change your mind okay you have discussed pop culture and celebrities for years so i'm interested to know yeah who would be your celebrity hall pass john mayerer. Was that too fast? John Mayer? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Yeah, my husband knows.

It's always, when I was single for a little bit, I was like, I'm going to go out with John Mayer. Guess that did not, did not happen. Have you ever met him? Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. Oh, still did not happen. Oh, no, I'm fine.

I'm fine. I moved on now. What about, I feel like I'm fine. He's a Libra. My husband's a Libra. I get along with Libras. I was like, oh, um he's a Libra my husband's a Libra I get along with Libras I was like oh he would totally if he had two hours with me he would fall in love with me nope not not even a little not for a second what about him do you love I I don't know

I think he's hot I think he's just got the whole thing down I'm into it I love that he's just like mysteriously moving through every single person you've ever met ever except me I'm I'm fine I'm just saying that's my celebrity I'm here yeah and he and would your husband be okay with it oh no absolutely never okay no no we're not we're we're like totally closed we're like yes but you know who his is who it I feel like he's also more um quiet about his hall passes which is like the ones you always have to watch out for like the people that vocalize their desires it's on the table he's like oh she's she's pretty shut the fuck up with she's pretty who says she's pretty about any person in their life no one no one unless you're in love with them right there you go who's he i'm gonna call who the fuck yeah

wow okay so he's made little comments. Yes. I'm trying. I guarantee you when I leave, we're just going to have to do this again. Because when I leave, I'm going to be like, oh, he likes blah, blah, blah. He thinks Kim's hot. But like that, if you're a frog, you think Kim is hot. She is like, she is a really beautiful.

I've never seen her in person. I've heard she's. It's like looking at the sun. You can't stare too long. She's, it's like, she's stunning. This is very beautiful and was always very beautiful. I agree. That's why this at the sun. You can't stare too long. She's, it's like, she's stunning. This is very beautiful and was always very beautiful. I agree. That's why this works as well as it does.

I agree. Wow. Okay. So Kim, for your husband and you, John Mayer. Yes. What a fun couple night. You guys should just do it all together. There you go.

By the way. You have to watch out because Kim's single. Well, I guess John's single too. Oh yeah. What's the most memorable interaction you had when you met a celebrity? I mean, it's not as fun as it should be because it was on Zoom, but I guess it's split. They're my highlights.

Rihanna, I went in to do an interview with her for Fenty Beauty, and it was sort of like you were in a waiting room in Zoom, and then I opened the camera up. And those are very stressful. And doing things over the internet are very stressful. You want to be able to meet someone, be able to do a little small talk, right, and she was like, oh my god, Morgan, I loved you on Rich Kids. You were so funny, and I literally, I like was seven and a half months pregnant, and I like peed a little bit. It was literally, I'm not even, I was like so excited, and I couldn't hold my labia tight, because it was like flapping open at that point,

and that's what happened, and then George Clooney was also so fucking lovely and like a movie star. So those two. The bigger the star I've realized, the nicer they are. Really? Oh yeah. Because you've already achieved that level of success. You just want good, normal, nice people around you to treat you like a human being. You're not insecure.

You're not climbing. Jen Aniston really nice I mean never met her I've just heard just saying I am I love her so much so much you're just I can't handle it I can't but you know what I don't think that pertains to the James Corden issue by the way that was I've heard I've heard I've heard we've heard uh so there was a lot of news I love I feel like now I'm doing like the nightly pop show. But I never usually cover pop culture. But James Corden, which is one thing I just do not fuck with,

is news came out that he is the biggest fucking asshole to waiters. And Balthazar, a very famous place in New York City, that's just like the best French place to go to. I guess he was just like a fucking dick to the waiters. And they banned him from going there. Yep. And I don't fuck with that. I don't fuck with that ever you are not better than anyone I agree and I agree how dare you be rude how do you get to that point and how does it stay quiet for so long I feel like if I'm rude to anybody it's everywhere in two minutes oh not to make myself

that big but I do feel like it spreads around I don't know if it's a male versus female thing I hate to go right because you're a bitch she's never gonna be don't know if it's a male versus female thing. I hate to go there. Right because you're a bitch. She's never going to be called a bitch. No. What's he going to be called? An asshole? An asshole. But now he apologized and is unbanned in two minutes. Like you're rude to.

He's not just rude to waiters. He's rude. Allegedly. Allegedly. And I've heard from multiple people that we know obviously. That he's not polite. And I don't know how you actually are a person that's not polite to other people. It's just especially when you hear like the status Of someone like you have such privilege

And such access and just be like so Grateful and gracious to people around You because be happy for what you have And agreed be fucking nice and Especially when people are rude to Waiters I'm like you're disgusting Disgusting um but that's really Interesting take that the bigger the

Celebrity the nicer they are in my Experience okay with James Corden not the biggest. Yeah yeah yeah. But he's not even as big as you know. I mean Rihanna. George Clooney has full full movie star. Like I bet from a young age he came out of the womb and they're like he's gonna be a movie star.

Yeah. I think he just has that sort of je ne sais quoi vibe that like I don't know if that exists anymore in our generation. I don't think it does. I don't think it does. When you see Brad you're like that is a movie star. Leo a movie star. But then you know Austin Butler to me doesn't have movie star vibes I think also because he's too close in our age group but I do think it's possible that he can grow into it

yes I think he's also like borderline too pretty so it also that he doesn't have that sort of like rugged vibe that is like these other guys have yeah I also Brad can be rugged even though he's prettier than both of us by the way it's and my mom met him once and he signed something for me he's lovely that's another person that's lovely did you always want to be in the spotlight because you're meeting all oh that was fast to be honest I didn't always want to be in the spotlight I always wanted to be successful at my talents that's what it was what were your talent like my talent was talking to people being funny engaging and like even I feel like my talent secret talent is like even if people hated me I'm talking early club days and like we had a weirdness because one girl was sleeping with somebody I was like

they still told me all of their insecurities and deepest thoughts and then told me even about the person that they were sleeping with like I am I can disarm people and make them feel comfortable so and I was so I struggled so much in school that I wasn't going to like go to college and do that for four years. So I really needed to kind of rely on the assets I had, which were not always so easy to put into a job description. I love it. I think it's great when you like,

the fact that you knew and look, you made it happen. Yeah, thank God. You're married to Jordan McGraw. I am. His dad is Dr. Phil. He is. Does he act like your therapist at family dinners you know what he honestly he's very quiet in real life and he doesn't need to say a lot which is the opposite

of me to fill in the void and same with my husband he doesn't need to say a lot too so every time I'm around him I adore him we get along very well I he inspires me I mean the self-made success that that man has had is I mean he tried to talk to me about my e-contract I'm like this is too below we're not talking we're not talking I'm talking about cable television like I'm not getting money back on the sales here or the like time slots I'm like this isn't I'm like I just need to know if I should ask for this or this right he is wicked smart I definitely am like can he read my mind uh-huh like does he know all my hurt feelings and traumas and like bad habits but we have a really nice banter were you nervous when you first met him well you know I dated my husband first right 10 years 12 years ago now for a year and then we

broke up but I had seen his parents around throughout the times that we weren't together it was always energetically very strange to the point where I was with my ex-husband in Saint-Tropez I met up with my current husband's brother and sister-in-law and went on my in-laws yacht and sat with my mother now mother-in-law and father-in-law for like an hour with me my ex-husband and my best friend and I had seen them at restaurant you guys it was it's the world works in such mysterious ways and I've always had a lovely relationship so I guess you were friends with your ex there but but no can I tell you the craziest thing he wasn't there so this is fucking crazy yeah he was not there he was on tour and it was his

older brother who I've always gotten along with his wife who I adore we met up in San Trapan hung out was your ex-husband like, what the fuck? Not at all. They all got along. It was not, it had been so many years that it wasn't, and Jordan was like doing his thing and like had different girlfriends. And I look back now, I mean, even the purses he bought me from 12 years ago, I never got rid of them. And that wasn't to be sentimental. That was just because it was Chanel. And I was like, well, I'm not going to get the money.

I'm going to keep it. And now I look at my closet. I'm like, I now have two children with you. I'm'm gonna now pass this on to you that your dad gave me this bag when we dated when we were 22 or whatever like it's crazy does his family also live in LA yes they live close to us we see them my mother-in-law comes over all the time because we're very close I go there she made a room for Ro that is nicer than my entire house it's like a joke and your family lives in LA too and my family lives in LA is that a lot entire house. It's like a joke. And your family lives in LA too. And my family lives in LA. Is that a lot?

No, it's, we got lucky with this. My parents are happily married and have been for almost 40 years. And my, and they've been together 40 fucking four years. They are the most, and I'm not just saying this to you. They're like eating at their kitchen counter like normal fucking people. Like they're so, I got so blessed. Okay fucking people. Like they're so it's I've got so blessed. Okay that's good. Yeah it's good.

You obviously have been with Jordan for how many years now? Oh my god 2020 we started to be together. We are going to be married only two years in December. It feels like we've been together for 25 years. I love it. Yeah. How do your personalities complement each other? I am so external and extroverted.

And he's extroverted in a different way. So he's more introverted and calm and reads situations really well and is a really good judge of character. I have a harder time with that. I'm really open and vulnerable upon meeting people. And then I'm like, fuck. Why did I do that? Shit.

I don't trust you. I don't like you. And then I have to backpedal. He's very good at like balancing me out. Every time I'm in a bad mood or don't feel good about something he can talk me off a ledge I'm working on being able to do that for him because he's like if he gets upset about something I'm like don't worry about it and it's like no you have to validate someone's feelings which I talked about my therapist she was like no you can't you have to also make them feel because I'm like get in the game we're fucking fine charge through it and he's like

can you just like be in my feelings with me I'm like oh the feelings the feelings you're like oh right right hate feelings but yeah oh wow that's really interesting so when he needs to cry you're like buck up I'm working on it because that's how I've been huddle him yes I'm sweet I validate but we also think the exact same way about 90% of things so nice anything we watch on tv anything we see any we have the exact same immediate reaction at the same speed, which is very rare. That is so rare.

And I think that when that happens, you got to hold on to it. That's why we came back around. When you guys had children, was there anything that completely shifted in your relationship? No, I think we were really, really, really on the same page

about making sure that our relationship was a priority and we couldn't be completely only centered around our children so smart you have to do that or you just will not survive at all because there's always something to do there's always something to fix there's always something to talk about and at one point we did have to peel back on getting the house like in order and having the right people around and he finally at dinner was kind of like you need to learn to stop talking after people leave. You need to just relax and enjoy your life

and stop worrying about things that can't be changed right now. Because I am such a doer. I want to get things fixed immediately. He's like, you just can't. Oh, that's nice. I feel calmer from hearing his words. Yeah, it is. Just, I think I'm a little like that.

Like just a little much. And my boyfriend's always like, how about you just like calm down yeah when they do that now I don't get upset when because if another boyfriend in the past would say that he'd be like shut the fuck up yeah but now I know my partner's coming from a good place exactly so it's healthier yes I brought you here to talk about weddings okay okay because I've never really talked about them on my show okay you've had two I've had two all the experience you need so first of all the first time around you at your wedding it was a big elaborate wedding yeah one we'll 150 people yeah how did you decide to have a big wedding to be honest that's not even that big it's not it's

not even that big I feel like now like I feel like a big wedding is 300 people 250 300 could never could never do it and by the way don't ever do that because that's because your parents have a lot of friends and they want them there that's not because of you it's not about my parents it's about me exactly exactly okay so you had a small how did you decide to do a covid wedding because i know a lot of people push theirs back it was just i didn't want to do a whole thing again i really it was about the two of us i knew that it was the right right situation and we just wanted to do it it really people like oh you were nothing to do with that i even at the point we were dating i was like if you don't want to get engaged right away like I don't mind I mean

I'm happy to just do this with you because I knew Ro happened the first time anything happened the first time wait so you're saying the first time you guys had sex I ever had unprotected sex I got pregnant holy it was bananas we're even trying not even for I was wasted on my birthday we had unprotected sex I was like I can just pop a pill for that right I was like nothing's gonna even happen I mean you hear stories that it takes months and months and months I knew that when I made the decision to have the unprotected sex in my drunken state I was like if this were to happen which it's not going to I feel confident enough with this person being the person who's gonna be the father of my child that's great but it was fucking nuts four weeks the day, I was positive on a pregnancy test.

It was wild. I was like, what? Yeah, when you took the pregnancy test, were you like – I was one day late, and I was like, it's positive. And then I took 30 more, and they were all positive. And then what did you do? You just had a conversation with Jordan, and you were like, fine. I'm like, we're just going to have a baby.

And he was fine. And he was fine, and he was thrilled. We wanted it. I just didn't we're just going to have a baby. And he was fine. And he was fine. And he was thrilled. We wanted it. I just didn't think it was going to happen. Totally. Like at that timeline. That's why. Because I think weddings.

Like I'm interested by your smaller wedding versus bigger wedding. Because I think a lot of people feel so much pressure. To like have the big wedding. Or have all these people there. And half the time I feel like when you do that. It's for other people. It's not even for the people getting fucking married. It's for all the family members to like fulfill a need of theirs,

whether it's like to show off or validation or just see all their fucking friends. Do you have any advice for anyone that's like trying to figure out like what kind of wedding they want? I think the idea for a big wedding is really, if that's something you want, I don't think you should be ashamed by that. I think you should go for it. I definitely think you should think about who you're genuinely

going on the friend side family is more obligatory you have to invite certain family members I think on the friend side do you really feel like this couple is going to be there for 10 years and down the road because it's also like well we like her but we don't like him and it's kind of like you need to really just make sure that you're not inviting people to invite them I completely agree and I feel like that happens a lot of times I've seen people at their weddings and they're like I feel like I haven't even talked to anyone that I care about like oh my god where have you guys been the whole night oh and I think that's sad if you don't get to enjoy your actual wedding which I'm interested to know like so you enjoyed your smaller wedding I preferred it so and I'm not

just saying that because this is like my current husband I genuinely felt relaxed I felt happy I didn't feel exhausted I was able to enjoy soaking in I remember the meal we had I remember the cake I remember the photos like it's really about celebrating the two of you it's and I don't care how much money you have we could have had the biggest wedding in the world but it's like we didn't want to spend that time small talking with other people I I love it also bridesmaids let's quickly talk about it oh god um do you think they're going out of style what is your yeah it's really dated it felt dated when i got married the first time i just and like most of the girls that i oh my god i can't even remember six oh wow i mean i speak to most of

them but like it's just not it's just having girls stand up there with you it's it's i would avoid it were they all wearing the same dress yes i know i know i know it's i know listen if people are listening and you want to have a brides bridesmaids that's totally fine i just think you shouldn't feel pressured to because you're supposed like have that many people standing up there with you get up there alone bitch exactly do your thing and also you have to wait for all those bitches to walk down it's not it takes too long ceremony under 15 minutes quick it should be nine minutes let's talk a little bit about reality tv for a second let's do it you were on like i said the show rich kids of beverly hills yes which i mean what a name what a name what a name for a show

it was insane looking back yes were you playing a character no i wasn't playing a character i was just a younger version of who i am now and i don't i don't relate to that person as much anymore okay but no i wasn't i wasn't playing a character I definitely felt like maybe I was more turned up in moments and like there were storylines we had to fulfill because it is ultimately no matter what they follow reality but you have to embellish you have to make like gray areas pop you have to refilm things so yeah it was a job let's put it that way okay so it wasn't a full character but you were kind of when you look back what do you like and dislike about that I didn't watch a lot of it

to be honest I really I I put myself out there for other people to enjoy me or not enjoy me it wasn't for me to sit back and be like oh my god you're on tv so I really and my interview looks were so bad that was such a an early start of glam that I had no fucking clue about so it was just it's tough to watch back I get that I can't I mean even with my podcast sometimes I'm like oh people are always like oh how do you feel that you've had like four years of just podcasting on the internet and I'm like not great I mean it's not great like I don't hate it but I don't love it there's certain things that I'm like why did I say that no totally oh no by the way I felt like I was way I guess like bitchier immature insecure just like but what you are is like a younger version

of yourself that's what I feel like people have to understand like sometimes people look back at when you put your life on the internet or you're on tv and people scrutinize you for one thing you're like I was how old and now I'm like I'm different I'm a different person and if you documented yourself absolutely at that age hopefully you'd be a different person five years later also right and good fucking luck exactly exactly okay so you don't hate the character but you just look back and you're like I was just like a little bit more aggressive I was a little bit more aggressive and I wasn't as happy you know what I mean and I also hadn't had five years of therapy how did you like filming that

show I liked it I was definitely I took it very much as like this is a stepping stone I had worked towards getting on the show not that specific show but a show in general and I treated it very much like a job like I was on time to things like it was fun because I was friends with them but with the people on it but it needed it was a job what are you like in a social setting when you're drunk? Give us like drunk. Loud and very nice. Oh. I am like, we're going here.

What about this? Oh my God, you told me you were interested in that. I get like high off of being able to be louder because I'm wasted. And then I am inviting you everywhere. We are going to Rome. And then I'm like, oh no, we're not. We're not going to Rome. Like I am like engaging. You're the person that meets people in the bathroom and you're like we're not going to Rome like I am like engaging you're the person

that meets people in the bathroom and you're like guys come to the table yes I love it I'm that person I've been I'm like an internal club rat no matter how old I am like I just like love to talk to people but then I also if I get cornered and I don't want to talk then I have a serious psycho breakdown okay because I don't know how to I don't know how to get out of the conversation I was talking about that with somebody the other day where I was at an event and someone was stuck and you just can see it like everyone can see it when you're in a social setting and it's the nature of what happens you start talking someone totally genuine conversation whatever but like it's forced because you guys don't really know each other and it was just more supposed to be

like a hi how are you like oh so good to you here. And then you're supposed to keep flowing. But then all of a sudden everyone else is in conversation and you're stuck with that person. It's like your partner for the night. And you I'm always with a partner for the night. And then I almost get I get so fucking crazy that I will be like, we're seeing it through now. We're fucking signed up for this.

Keep telling me about your mom. What mental illness did she have? Oh, tell me about your parents divorce when you were 12. Why the fuck am I in this deep? This is what happens. I get fucking blind and I keep going. I too and i'm down the tunnel and now i'm like well we can talk about this like here's my like my number like my number i'll give you my therapist and like we can get through this let's get lunch i'm like i didn't even want to go i didn't want

to go to lunch and it's not even like being fake you're trying to make someone comfortable right you double down because you're like why aren't you walking away right right just say hi how are you and just i know a good host i'm gonna start to like implement that into my parties of like you guys have been talking a long time and it's nothing mean no it's genuinely it's like sometimes you don't need to have a conversation that long with someone no and you could just say i gotta go but sometimes if the other person's not reading the queue it can get a little awkward oh my god i've been there so many times exhausting because sometimes they really are excited to have the conversation i know and you're like what the fuck yeah and there's other times where I want to talk for an hour to someone yeah don't get it twisted like but it's usually not somebody you've just

met unless it's you and I you're all like guys you know we yeah exactly if someone can't shut the fuck up but it's like a good can't shut the fuck up great if someone's so um self-centered and just keeps talking about themselves and you're like do you even know my name yeah then that's where you want to just yeah I agree um what is a current social media trend that makes you cringe oh my god all of it I feel like the TikTok I mean I feel like I'm just I I no shade to it I love it but I just cannot I don't have the time I don't know I can't find I'm like trying to do Beyonce cuff it I'm trying to fucking figure it out I'm trying to do that and I can't it shifts a lot every day every day I can't even post on TikTok I'm trying to do that. And I can't. It shifts a lot every day. Every day.

I can't even post on TikTok. I try, but like, I just can't. I can't get it down. I can't get it down. Also, like, are photos just not good enough anymore? Like, do you want me to take a video of me walking down the street and pretending like I don't know? Because I tried in Napa.

You know what happened? It was horrific. Okay. It was, it was so bad that I was like, how the fuck does this? Who took the video for you? My husband. I said, you have to take a video of my outfit because i can't just get a photo i need to do walking he goes okay here it was so much nose it was so much it was so bad it's just i can't you just knew i just knew that's the thing that's awful is or even like the photos where we're

trying to like pretend we're not looking we know someone who is holding our own personal iphone and taking the photo. I know. And what has become cool about that? I'm doing it too. I'm like looking down, looking away, like just look at the camera. What happened to this?

I know. The smiling at the photo. I swear I'm going to bring it back. That's what we should do. We should. I cannot keep pretending like, oh, there's a bird. Oh my God. Oh, and I'm looking down.

It's been years of social media and I still have no fucking idea to take a photo. Maybe we bring it back. Yeah, it's time. Like a year ago photo. Yeah. Smiley happy. I'm looking down. It's been years of social media and I still have no fucking idea to take a photo. Maybe we bring it back. Yeah, it's time. Like a year ago photo. Yeah. Smiley happy. I feel much better.

I'm not doing the pressure. I'm not doing it anymore. Or just stare at the camera. We acknowledge. We know there is a husband or a boyfriend or a best friend or a mom or a grandma crouching to get the angle. Exactly. Acknowledge that.

Exactly. I'm with you. I agree. Okay. Well, this is making me feel better. Exactly. Acknowledge that. Exactly. I'm with you. I agree. Okay. Well, this is making me feel better. Okay. When you wrapped your show after five seasons, your parting gift from your team was a book of some of your best quotes. What was your favorite quote from the book? It was something about like you not knowing your dad. What was it? It was like, if you're in a,

if you're in heels by the pool, like you don't know your dad or something like that. Because really, why, if you're in heels by the pool like you don't know your dad or something like that because really why why are you in heels by the pool like I don't like are you gonna like are you gonna slip and break your neck like you were really trying for something like you need to call someone else if you're in heels by the pool you don't know your dad yeah and you have like a thigh tattoo that you regret and like you're in like a blackippery, like something that's uncomfortable for the labia to be in. Wait, what do you feel about the wedge? Or like the one with the cork underneath, essentially? Listen. It looks like a plank from Home Depot.

Home Depot. I don't hate a wedge. It's a specific, you got to be specific about the wedge. But I like white or black. When things are in the gray, I have a very hard time. I spiral. Okay, I need things to be very clear. You're either my best friend or you're not my friend. I can't have you like kind of be a friend to me, whatever. I'm getting to the wedge part of it all. A wedge is the gray,

right? Because you're not wearing it by the pool if you have any class. And you're not wearing it to dinner unless you're on vacation. So it's sort of a useless shoe unless that's your heel of choice, which like doesn't feel formal enough for me. How much time do I have to know all these opinions? It's kind of weird. No this is good. This is good. So to me I'm overwhelmed by the idea of a wedge because it's useless to me. But I bought a pair of wedge wedges over the summer. They had pom-poms on them. I was I brought them on vacation and I never ended up wearing them and so I wore them on my show one time. But like a wedge just does not serve conducive to getting dressed I agree with you yeah I'm not

wearing wedges with jeans it's not 2008 oh no no no no I agree they're not the cutest also no they're not they're comfortable yeah they're definitely comfortable but like you're not they're not comfortable in the sense that like I'm wearing them to Coachella or that's scary who's wearing those to Coachella nobody I hope nobody you're talking to no nobody what did you think about the um what boot is in right now the knee or above the knee or below like what are we doing I think to the knee or high up I think they both work an ankle high an ankle boot that's healed is it's unacceptable it's. It never elongates. It never looks good.

You're not doing yourself a favor. It doesn't look good on Irina fucking shake. If you have an ankle boot. Return it. It is. I don't care if it's a sock booty. And it's the most flattering version. It does not look good.

It's cutting off your leg. Whether your leg's nine feet long. Or two feet long or two feet long they're awful a black suede ankle boot makes me want to clench my asshole and ditch it I can't I think I owned one of those in college yeah I thought I was like rocking the and then there's like throw up on the side because you've walked through it and then there's like a little chain to like zip it oh oh mama we okay so when you I love how I'm asking you fashion advice but I think this can like help a lot of people no like we're lost

out here okay so it's either to the knee yes or high as high high to the point where you're not getting like if you're wearing a skirt it's if the skirt is covering like you want it to be extensive leather do you feel like that looks hoishish though? Like what can you wear with that? No, it's not ho-ish because we are covering. So skirt, so boot, skirt. We don't want this showing. We don't want an ounce of skin showing. You also, not to confuse, you can wear pantyhose under the thigh high boot

and wear a booty short, like a leather booty short with a baggy sweater. That reads classy and cute. But if you're doing skirt, no pantyhose and boot that's showing trash whore disgusting which by the way I am the biggest trash whore but I just not in terms of dressing okay this is good yeah it's giving everything you're calling out is like Alex in college exactly no by the way we've all we've all been there trust me so if you're in college do what we're doing actually because here's you want to be a trash whore exactly it's the best to be the trash exactly but now I feel like people also like do

these little tricks that they're like why doesn't it look the same on me and those little details are why it works on like the people these girls are following I got it and so when you're doing a boot though and you're wearing long pants yes you just the pants go over the boot okay yes so if you're doing an ankle boot for that purpose and it's covered and you don't know it's ambiguous in terms of the height fine but if you're doing have you ever seen someone wear an ankle boot with a dress yeah no no stocking yeah it's uh it's uh it's just unacceptable it's not making you look better in any way okay so while we're wrapping up because this is actually great i never talk about about fashion on Call Her Daddy, but I actually think this is fucking helpful because it really is. Good.

I'm so happy. We need to learn. For fall. Yes. What are some like go-to's we need to just be rocking, wearing, living in? I think it should always, everyone should have two oversized crew neck sweaters. Two oversized crew neck sweaters. And I think you, I'm somebody that like believes in investing in like a higher priced item,

even if you can't buy them a lot because you have them for five years. What's your go-to outfit for like a fun, sexy date night? I always, I buy all this shit. And then I'm always like in a really fitted, like skinny crop ankle jean with like a blazer of some kind and like a t-shirt underneath and a heel. Like that is like what I am comfortable in. That's what I go to.

Skinny crop jean, heel, t-shirt. It should always be a little bit high on the ankle high on the ankle not all the way down where you're like no it means we should have done a fucking vlog episode where i come over and we try it on clothes by the way i'm ready maybe we do that let's do it i'm ready because like we need help i am those are the things help you're like i can help you anytime you want okay I want to know yeah what are you doing next your show just ended show just ended I'm in the process of working I'll be very detailed with you right now I'm working out a budget for a pilot I'm going to shoot for a show idea that

I've had for a really long time and I'm not going to say exactly what the show is but it is definitely something that I for years have just been like I don't feel like my multi-layered self has been shown there's always a version of who I am there's a like there's a very empathetic very nice side of me I'm I'm just going to talk all about how great I am um and generous and I'm actually a pretty decent person and somebody I've become that I started to really like after all the work I've done and I feel like that doesn't get exposed enough and so this show will interweave a little bit more of like the different layers of who I am so are you gonna have a reality show it's not gonna be reality okay there will be snippets of reality but it will not be reality when you're saying that you've really come to like yourself yes what is that evolution

I think that I've worked from like a lot on myself especially in the last four years that you've really come to like yourself. Yes. What is that evolution? I think that I've worked like a lot on myself, especially in the last four years, and I've really like learned why I worked the way I did for so many years and like ended up leaving relationships really in a sort of a messy place and friendships in a messy place. And I just feel like I now understand certain things have happened to me over my life that I understand now why I operated that way. And now I'm moving away from that because I'm undoing all of that and so I feel like I get to be the a better version of myself and so that

version I would like to be out in the world more and it's also hard to like self-produce yourself every day to post video it's like it's a lot I'm exhausted I don't want to do that all the time but I love that for you also so exciting because like you're now raising children exactly just like the fact that you're feeling like you're the best version of yourself therapy a godsend a godsend and I mean I I'm so excited for the show whenever it comes out and I'm gonna I'm manifesting May I think I'll be filming in May oh yeah I've manifested everything in my entire life anything you want in your entire life you just say it anything I'm gonna oh I want I'm gonna date him okay except for John Mayer everything has happened except for John Mayer but honestly

I will be checking the news moving forward because I could see it happening now yeah there's gonna be like all of a sudden they allow a third into their relationship and they had a one night spree with John Mayer oh my god no I love you thank you so much for coming thank you so much for having me so so fun the daddy gang's I love you. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you so much for having me. It was so so fun. The Daddy Gang's gonna love you and we're taking notes on the fashion

advice. I love it. I'm coming back anytime. I love you. Love you.