Call Her Daddy - Olivia Attwood: OnlyFans, Cam Girls, Pornhub and Sugar Babies (FBF)

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

This week, Father Cooper travels to London and sits down with Olivia Attwood. Olivia discusses her life before Love Island and recounts her days partying and traveling the world as a grid girl. Olivia’s dating life before Love Island? Tattoos on the first date and countless cheating stories…it was toxic. The pair then discuss Olivia’s experience exploring the world of OnlyFans and Pornhub and the lives of cam girls and sugar babies. Olivia breaks down the reality of these internet ventures and reveals the dark side you’ve never heard about before. Olivia joins OnlyFans and speaks about the struggles she faced while on the site. What is the most twisted request cam girls receive? Is sugar baby-ing as easy as it seems? Why shoot porn if OnlyFans exists? Every question is addressed and every misconception debunked. 

What is up daddy gang it is your founding father Alex Cooper Hello, oh my god I've been so excited to meet you No, I've let you help myself say free prosecco from the wait what I know this I'm in my I. This is gonna be so good. Do you need anything? No, I've literally helped myself to like free Prosecco from the... Wait, what? I know there was, I don't even know. Guys, I didn't get offered any. It was in the fridge, I just took it.

You were like, let's go. Welcome to London, babe. Oh my God, I'm so happy to be here. What are we out with swearing for this pod? You fucking little dirty cunt. I'm gonna slide a dildo up your... You can say whatever the fuck you want. Well I wondered like are we gonna make drinks or whatever.

I know no one offered me a drink so I was like I think. Guys can we get Alex in for a second. So apparently Olivia's been drinking without me. I found in a fridge. I might have placed someone's goes to corner shop. It's upstairs in the fridge there was four bottles and I just took a tumbler. Okay ready? Yeah, ready.

Olivia Atwood, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Like that sentence just gave me chills. By the way, I've got goosebumps. Wait, I love it so much. I'm so happy to be here in your presence. Really? Yes. Okay, I'm gonna give you backstory

because I'm gonna like, I'm gonna lube you up here. Okay. Okay. Pandemic. I'm sitting in my New York City apartment I am so bored as we all are and I'm like I need to find a TV show that I can like Go and binge like I need to be here for days on end and I find Love Island and I put on my social media I'm like what season do I start? Obviously UK and everyone it's like you have to everyone is like, you have to watch three or five. You have to watch three or five.

And so naturally I'm like, I'm starting with three. I click on three. Your beautiful face pops up. And the entire season, I was obsessed. You were so incredible. I was like, I need to interview this girl. And I thought this like over a year and a half ago to two years ago.

So naturally I flew 5,000 miles so I could sit down with you and interview Olivia Atwood. Woo! This is crazy. This is crazy to me. Like I've been a fan of the podcast forever. Stop. I swear to God, the Instagram, everything.

It's wild. Daddy Gang, be nice to me. Oh, are you kidding me? They're gonna be, they are gonna be so nice to you. I've actually had people wanting you to come on the show for so freaking long. And I had reached out to your team and I think we had originally been like,

we can just do a Zoom. I remember this a little bit, yeah. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? I'm not doing a Zoom with Olivia Atwood. I hate Zoom as well, it's just not the same. We can't drink Prosecco. I can. I'm not doing a zoom with Olivia Atwood. I hate zoom as well. It's just not the same. We can't drink prosecco. Let's go back a little bit. Okay, because everyone knows you from Love Island and you were incredible on it.

But before Love Island, young, young Olivia, not that young, but like, you know, now I'm not saying she's like 10 years old doing this, but you were like so creepy. You were a grid girl. Can you explain what is a grid girl? What was your job? What were you doing? I was a model but doing grid girl and promotion stuff to like fill the gaps, you know, and I was at this thing we have in the UK called the Touring Car Championships, it's like pretty low key, whatever. It was there, it was a miserable fucking day, it was like the north

of England and I was like what am I actually doing, like standing here with this sad little flag, and then the monster girls were there with another team. And one of the girls approached me and she was like, would you want to work with us? But when you work with monster, you can only do like monster. You can't do like a bit of this, bit of that. So I said, yeah. And then, yeah, I started like a week after that. And I did that solidly for like, God, four or five years.

I was like a monster girl. So it's everything. It I did that solidly for like, God, four or five years, I was like a monster girl. So it's everything. It's like all sporting events, like ski, skate, like track, cars, motorbikes. It's crazy. Obviously it's a bunch of hot girls and you're hanging out. And naturally I can only imagine

like the parties and the vibes. What is one of the wildest nights out you remember having during that time of your life? They were always wild. Like it was, you know, the amount of times I turned up with no sleep, like, I mean, I was just a different animal back then, like I couldn't do it now. Like I'd be in a fetal position, like rocking, crying.

Like I was, I could go out all night and then still look hot the next day. It was like, you know, it's like to be that age is the dream But people always say to me all the riders the drivers, but you know, like the thing was like Formula One drivers No GPU they don't drink like really they don't they're like they are like quite a weird breed Like they're not super social. It's a very like, you know isolated sport. So they don't really get involved in like, you know Partying and stuff so it was more like I'd end up like with the mechanics like I didn't give a shit

but he was down to like drink with me and get messy I was all about it like I didn't care if you were changing tires earlier you still grease on your hands if you want to go and like we'll pound a bottle of Jager let's do it like I had no prejudice I didn't give a shit. I love that for you so much also I was I was thinking about it because I've dated athletes before. I know you're engaged to one. And so I'm thinking like, I forgot that concept. Like when you're younger, you wanna go for these athletes,

but it's almost like, wait till you're like a little bit older because they don't fucking party. No, and they're so like obviously dedicated to what they're doing and focused and nothing is gonna like. Just disgusting. I've got to imagine having dedication and you know self-control Olivia and I are like it's so annoying that they won't party with us like I don't comprehend it I want to get a vibe Olivia of like how would you describe your dating life before love island? Give it to us. So I had a long term relationship with just this piece of shit.

I was with him for like four or five years. It was like my first real thing and I was doing modeling and I was very obsessed with this relationship and I almost, you know, my modeling agency was so done with me because I would flake on things because I just wanted to be with him all the time. Like I didn't even care to have my own money. I had no drive. It was a really good lesson for me. I learned, I'm so glad I had that kind of relationship

at that young age, because it taught me everything that I needed to know. Do you know what I mean? Like to have your own money, to have your own independence. I just was obsessed and I was flaking on jobs. He used to do this thing where he'd break up with me like on the Friday and be like, I'm going whatever. Like, you know, I'd be all anxious and like, I'd be a mess.

And then on Monday to come back and be like, oh no, like let's work out. He just picked me up and dropped me all the time. So when like Monster actually gave me like a lifeline at that time that I needed, it's weird. Everything in my life, I feel like with Love Island, Monster, it's like the universe has like thrown me this like life vest. Like at that time it's like, because doing Monster at first when

I realized how much travel it was I was a bit like, I don't want to like travel and be away from him because I was like obsessed for some reason and it's like doing that and seeing the world and meeting new people opened my eyes to like, oh my god there's just like massive world out there and you've made your so fricking small, like for what reason? So it kind of opened my eyes to how dire the situation I was in was. And then that broke down, like for a good reason. But then following that, my dating was like pretty erratic. Like I just used to like, you know, go from one guy to the next.

I jump in really feet first. Like I am all about that. I want them to obsess to me. I want to be obsessed with them. I want to get tattoos on the about that. I want them to obsess with me. I wanna be obsessed with them. I wanna get tattoos on the second date. I want them to move in. Like I might, you know, they could come to the second date with my name tattooed on their head.

And I'd be like. I'm what? Yeah, I'm literally, do you wanna go upstairs? My friends are like, that's insane. I'm like, I love him. Like, yeah, so I love that, that obsessive being in love. So I was always, you know, going kind of once the next chasing that feeling. Sometimes you have to go through those relationships, right?

I don't know anyone that hasn't had that one obsessive relationship that borders unhealthy. And it takes you having distance and space from someone to then be like, oh my God, and it may literally be like you going away for your job a bunch. And then all of a sudden you're like, wait shit is not healthy whether you're like viewing your friends or the people around you and you are all of a sudden are like Okay, I need to like look at this differently at one point. I don't think I had like my own debit cards It was ridiculous Like I didn't I literally like when I say pulled the rug under my feet every time he like left me I was like, you know

I was underweight and I was crying and I was just I was underway and I was crying and I was just, I was just like, I was just, it was so unhealthy. And like this, it just learning that at that age, like, you know, my late teens, early twenties was like, I think a really important lesson to learn. It just, I remember how I felt and I thought I'm never going to let myself be in that situation again. Yeah. If Brad were walked out tomorrow, it would hurt. Like I wouldn't get over it in a day, but I could still get in my car that I own, drive somewhere, get my own house.

Like, I, you know what I mean? I'm good. Like I'd be heartbroken, but I'm good. I'm not going to be on my knees. Like I was with that situation. I've been in one of those too. And I think it's like, wait, if he left tomorrow, what happens?

Like, am I okay? Like again, heartbroken is different than like, wait, I literally have nowhere to live, no money, no friends, my family is gone because I distanced myself, checking those moments. I think it's good. I was distanced from everyone, friends, family, completely isolated.

So yeah, Monster was like, it threw me a lifeline. And we had the best, I traveled the world. This is my thing that I say is like, people get on about grid girls or like, you know, ring girls and this anti-feminism. Like who, we've had men telling us what to do. Now we've got other women telling us what to do. If you feel empowered doing something and you're safe

and you're in an environment like Monster is a safe, you know, is a very safe gig for me. Who's anyone else to tell me what, that empowered me, changed my life, it threw me a lifeline, you know know That is amazing. But at the same time, you know It I couldn't I did it for four or five years and you know It's thought I got to the end of my thing with it You know when you're working for a brand like that is you there's not much individuality Like you know, you have to have your hair a certain way your nails a certain way

You do this that the other into towards the end I because I felt like I was outgrowing it a little bit. I started pushing the boundaries, burning some bridges, just acting up because I started to be like, no, I'm gonna come with red nails just for the fucking hell of it. Right, that's actually really cool though for you to hear about the whole concept of how Monster helped you because I agree.

I feel like so many people are so quick, especially with whatever women are doing, if anything has to do with your looks, they're like, it's degrading, you're not empowering yourself and it's like hold on like why don't you ask me how I feel first. Thank you. And I feel like what the thing is, it's without this, how do I say this, without it coming off really bad. Obviously I think of myself as somewhat intelligent but some girls they are just, they just do want to do their fucking hair and look pretty

and that's might be their thing in life and why can you tell them that that's not good enough or that's not empowering like what you know I'm not telling the girls at NASA you can't work there because I'm not clever enough to work there like let people do their thing yeah thank you for sharing that yes I welcome Love Island okay so we're gonna we're gonna go through a little bit of that for people that don't know also I just want you to know I only watch Love Island UK. I think it's entertaining. I haven't watched the Australia one, have you? I dipped in a little bit but not

like is it as good? I don't think anything's as good as UK. It's not. It's just not. Okay, So for anyone who has never seen love island do how do you describe like the concept of the show? Oh? It's like good-looking girls and guys on an island Dating it's a game show there's money at the end But the essentially it's like you get coupled up and you have challenges thrown at you And it's it's a test is you know who can find real connection, a connection real enough to take you to the final and maybe win that money. Although it's weird with Love Island, when you're in there, no one really gives a shit

about the money. Yeah, it's kind of like, you don't even need the money at the end, the money is just a thing, but it kind of, yeah, no one focuses on that in a weird way. I love that though because I was thinking about it. I feel like Love Island is so much more accepted and loved than consider like The Bachelor.

It's like, it's not realistic that after six weeks, you're going to get married. Like I love how Love Island is like, are we gonna hit it off and are we gonna leave here together as a couple? Like that's so much more realistic. And obviously being in a house together and there's alcohol and there's nothing else to do other than alcohol. There's like two glasses.

Yeah. No, it is kind of wait, they would would they limit you or are you joking? Wait, are you joking? Two glasses of my series. Okay, I can't see. We were all like balls to the wall crazy. So we might have been limited more than others, but we had two glasses of wine and I, or beer. That's shocking, because I didn't realize none of you were hammered.

So all that stuff I'm doing, I'm basically sober. I'm just insane. You must be hammered when the fight scene happens. No, I didn't even have my drink yet, and then I went outside and the producer said, you're not getting anything tonight. I was like, oh, you're joking. I was like, honestly, I swear, I'm sober. That have my drink yet. And then I went outside and the producer said, you're not getting anything tonight. I was like, oh, you're joking. I was like, honestly, I swear, I'm sober. Can you imagine everyone licking up?

It'd be like a fight club. No, it actually would have been probably like not even arable because it would have gotten so wild. So the reason is they say, cause I questioned them every day. It's the point where they're like, if you ask about it again, you're gonna get a written warning is what I was told in the beach

Uh, because I argued every day is that the show is because it's about dating about love They don't want people doing stuff, you know driven by alcohol and the next day waking up being like Oh, I don't actually like him I only snogged him because I was drunk because it's not kind of sure wouldn't make sense They want people kissing and being in bed together because it's they want to not because they're drunk Right, which is so different. It's like in real life though, because let's be real I mean I've gone from living on my own since I was like 21 so yeah doing what I want to being told like, you know, you got two glasses It was a real hard for my head like to deal with. Oh, yeah, I feel like I would feel that way, too

Okay, so that's a really good insider info. I did know. So when you got there, in your mind and your experience, like what was the atmosphere and energy on that set? Series three was the one that like blew up, right? So we had series one and two in the UK that were popular. So I was meant to go on series two. This is like the tea. Wait, give us how you were cast. Like tell me the tea. So it's really like an eye rolling kind of like nauseating ways but I was approached on Instagram they DM me so series two they DM me I only watched little bits of series one it was popular but really like no one was really talking about it. I was doing the monster thing I'd started a thing off with

this guy was like a rider whatever like motocross thing and I was all about him we'd done the tattoos and stuff after second date it was was sweet. And then you actually did that? Yeah, I've got it still now. It's like a bit faded. But yeah, we did the whole. Is Brad like, can we get rid of that? He's the most like fat guy. He's practically horizontal. Like he's, he's got like the BDE, like, you know, is that what Kim says? Like he's got that big dick energy. He couldn't give a shit. Like he's, yeah. What is the tattoo of? It's just his initial. Yeah, I did it like two weeks since dating. Would you care if Brad had that? I don't think so. Really? No.

I don't know. I would have cut it out of him in his sleep. You're like, no, I wouldn't care. I would have just sliced it off during his time sleeping. He wakes up, what are you doing? Nothing! Also, for everyone listening, Brad is Olivia's fiance. Yeah, that's my long suffering fiance.

You meet this guy, you get to have a two second date. Yeah, we're all into it. They approached me, they were like, you know, so I went and I didn't, we were just dating, so I was like, I'm going to go and get a tattoo. I'm going to go and get a tattoo. I'm going to go and get a tattoo. I'm going to go and get a tattoo. I'm going to go and get a tattoo.

I'm going to go and get a tattoo. I'm going to go and get a tattoo. I'm going to go and get a tattoo. I'm going to go and get a tattoo. I'm going to go and get a tattoo. I'm this guy, you get to have a two second date. Yeah, we're all into it. They approached me, they're like, you know, so I went and I didn't, we were just dating. So I was like, you know, I'll see it through, went to meet like interviews, whatever. Then they offered me on, I was all like, I was basically carrying on as if I was going to do it. And then it got to like, literally, I'm leaving in like two weeks. And I was like, Oh, I don't know that like, I've got a really good thing going. I like this guy a lot. show is it a bit like you know

seen all the kind of the program images with the colorful backgrounds and it was no one had really thought it was cool yet so I was like I'm doing something that I think it's quite cool and with this guy so anyway I just I just ghosted I just blocked everyone from basically ITV I just and were they like hello yeah they were like calling I said panicked, blocked everyone, I was like I was going to carry on with my life. And then basically I was with him for a good like nine months or something. Anyway he cheats on me, sleeps with this girl, I go like.

How did you find out? I had like a, you know just like a sixth sense, I can't remember now the exact. You just knew in your gut? I just knew and I just, honestly I've mellowed so much. I just went like I Was yeah, I was What did you do you have to tell us on Call Her Daddy Olivia? I was just like writing on my Instagram like wild stuff like ugly pictures of him Like look at this piece of shit that cheated on me

I was just like stuff that I was ashamed because I could never do that now because people would be like oh Like you can't you know, I just really enjoyed being like a nobody, you know, like just say what I wanted. I was calling up his work non-stop I was just insane. I was just literally my mom We were shopping in London when I found out my mom's like wrestling me like in self She's trying to get the phone out of my hand because I'm doing so much damage She's like you need to stop you need to stop. I'm like I much damage. She's like, you need to stop, you need to stop. I'm like, I can't. And she's like, it's all for the better. I'm like, no, it's not.

I'm like, can't believe he's done this to me. No, I get that feeling though. You're like, he needs to feel a little bit of the hurt that I felt. And so I get that, I get that. Yeah, I just went, I reindulged myself. I treated myself to a proper meltdown. Like I really did.

I was like smashed at 4 p.m., rolling around London, just like ringing up his work just fucking crazy rang his mom and just everything I'm like your son's a piece of shit and she's like oh and yeah and then I saw this advert I swear again it's like a whole universe moment I saw this advert like casting for Love Island it was on like a bust up or something to like seasons and three and I thought I should have done that last year so I go on my phone I find these people from Love Island I unblock a couple of them I just ring them up don't I just rang them up shout out to Lewis he took the

call I was like hi I was like do you remember me and he was like yes you're the girl that disappeared like and I was like well I was like I would love to have a chance to come on the show like can't even keep a straight face saying it and he was like I don't know what the execs are gonna say they're probably gonna tell you to like take a running jump he's like but I will speak to them um it's quite late in the day for like to see I you know they think they'd already cast most people and it's hung up I was just then got all my feelings like what am I doing I don't want to do monster anymore. Like, this guy is loser. And Eddie calling back like the next day.

And he's like, you can come on if you leave in two weeks. So literally, that was it. I went like on a mad, like, Zara haul, like other brands are available, and just got all the bikinis, dresses. And like two weeks later, I was gone. So once you got there and you were hanging, what was do you think the biggest key to success on Love Island? So my thing going into it

and I you know I'm really open about this when I had nervous feelings about going in I thought the worst thing you can do on these kind of shows I think is go in be booted out in week one and no one even remembers you were there like what was the point like I've left Monster they're not gonna have me back was the point? Like I've left Montserrat, they're not going to have me back, I've burnt all those bridges, I've left a modeling agency, I've you know screwed off the guy that I was seeing. Like I felt like if I'm going to do this I have to do this properly and I'm going to make sure everyone knows that I'm in the building. Like that was my main thing and I really you know I just thought I'm gonna, I thought to myself when I get in there I'm going to forget those cameras, I I'm just gonna do it how I would live life. But it's crazy, like I know

everyone says it but like after like 24 hours you really forget, like you really forget you're all like being watched. Oh my god, like you know there were certain members in that villa who maybe were slightly more canny and were you know more self-aware. I've always been unself-aware. I'd like to say like if you put me in now I know that they get how many billions of years a night that I would behave a different way I probably wouldn't because I can't I cannot be anything but a hot mess I always talk about on my show like guys self-awareness is so key and Olivia's walking me like I am so Unself-aware, can you give us examples of what you mean by that?

Cause you don't see, I get what you're saying of like the hot mess. You look great put together right now. You're speaking eloquently, but what do you mean by you're unself-aware? Just, I, you know, I hate this expression, but you know, like wear your heart on your sleeve. I'm very like, if I feel something

or I don't like something, I don't like someone, I can't help but kind of... either my face says it or my mouth says it, one of them is gonna say it like I can't, you know, I can't be a wallflower despite trying at times. It's like verbal diarrhea, I feel like I'm literally like chewing my lips and then it's like... I just can't. Did you get in trouble for that a lot when you were younger? Oh, like oh my god, my mum used to say to me like what is this oh I'm ADHD which I know now which explains a lot but at school I used to do the weirdest shit

and then get in so much trouble and then I'd cry on the way home my mom'd be like but why did you do that and I'd be like I don't know. I legit don't know. Okay well it made for really great reality tv. Okay so wrapping up Love Island when you look look back, what did you learn about yourself during or after filming that entire experience? If I watch her now, like, you know, I watched myself on Love Island, I was quite angry, you know, my back was up, like I was looking for an argument all the time, I think I've mellowed, I think it's not, there's nothing I would have done differently because that's who I was at that time, and hindsight and age, I'm a lot more relaxed now. I wouldn't get wound up about those kinds of things, but that's who I was then.

And also it's like everything that has happened in my life is as a result. If I'd gone in there, like, you know, medicated in the corner, like not talking, then I wouldn't be sitting here with you now. I think that's such a good answer because I relate to that where like I started my show medicated in the corner, like not talking, then I wouldn't be sitting here with you now. I think that's such a good answer because I relate to that where like I started my show and I was 10 times crazier saying shit that probably like maybe wasn't at the,

now I look back, I'm like, I would never fucking say that now. Like I don't know if I would say that about a guy or a girl now, but I think it's like that's growth, right? And people are like, no, like you can't change. I'm not saying I changed, I just grown and I have a different outlook on like the way I was

when I was younger. And there's different reasons why you did what you did on that show. And if you went in there, you still be loud and rowdy, but you wouldn't maybe come off like in certain ways like you did in the past. 100%. Because you don't have that like baggage of those men fucking you over like

you did when you were going in. Yeah. Congratulations of the new docu-cuseries getting filthy rich. Yeah. First of all, I just have to ask you, like, how does that even feel? I'm already having massive imposter syndrome, even being here with you, but that's just took me over the edge. I now feel like I'm sitting in someone else's body.

No, no, own it because you're a boss. Like it's incredible. So I want to just explain, I got an advanced copy of the first episode. And so to anyone listening, this show follows Olivia on her journey as she participates in various ways people use their body to make money on the internet.

In the episode I saw, Olivia dives into the world of OnlyFans. She creates a profile and interviews a number of content creators to see what really goes on behind the scenes with people making money on OnlyFans. Okay. I have to check myself. Let's check ourselves.

How do we look? Okay. Had you ever considered doing OnlyFans prior to creating the series? Not in a serious way. I think I'd thought about it because I had heard this thing people kept saying to me, oh you should make, there's photos that you pose, you should, you could make loads of money on OnlyFans.

I kept hearing that again and again and again. So I was intrigued thinking, is it as easy as that? Right. So that was more, I think, you know, I think take me back pre Love Island, like you know, grid girl Olivia, she probably would have done OnlyFans, do you know what I mean? But me right now where I was, I was more just intrigued. Is it as simple as it sounds? It sounds way too good to be true. Totally. Is OnlyFans what started it for you or like what, how did the show come about for you? I think we were you know I was really looking to get into like docu-series world um obviously being from reality tv like you can be

obviously put in a box and I'm happy with that box I actually love reality tv and I've got no like desire to be like it's the worst thing and get me out that box but I was interested I feel like you know on a good day when I'm sober, I've got a quite decent brain. I can articulate myself like to a certain degree. So I thought I definitely have more springs to table. So yeah, we were talking with different networks, different ideas. And when this one came up, I thought that's a really good fit. And I'm genuinely fascinated. So it's going to be like, you know, exploring that area is going to be a genuine interest. Absolutely. And I feel like I know I only saw the first episode, but it translates. I was talking about it with my team and we were like,

this is exactly what you were meant to do in terms of, I don't know many people that could have handled it as gracefully and respectfully, but also made it so fun as you, because it is a sensitive topic, and definitely another woman needs to be in that room. But also someone that's like willing to see both sides and be a part of the experience.

I thought it was really cool. So you get on OnlyFans in episode one. What was the most difficult aspect of being on OnlyFans? The 24 hour aspect of it, like I didn't, I really thought it was something where the way it was sold to me, you know, from people I spoke to was you make the profile, you stick the pictures on and the money just comes in. That's not how you make money. The money's made in the DMs, like the constant communication.

It's like the girls that are making the big money, they are on the site 24 hours a day. Like, you know, talking to these people, respond, and when you don't respond, because they've paid to be on your page, they just hound you like question mark, question mark, like, you know, where are you like, you know, I was like, quite taken back by that first. I was also because again, I think that's why I loved how you're peeling this layer back of like, everyone listening, if you don't have only fans, we all kind of have this idea in our head, right? Of like, you're right, the girl has the profile, she posts some photos, she gets money.

And in this episode, it was so fascinating and everyone needs to go watch it because it really gives this inside look of how hard these women are working. Like when you were like, wait, so what would happen if a guy is gonna pay you like a thousand dollars to sext him and you're out? And she was like, I would go to the bathroom.

I was like, oh shit. It never stops. And I could see you were kind of like, wait, this is giving me anxiety having this many messages on my phone. And these people kind of thinking they have like a claim over me of like, hi, like you owe me something. Did you feel empowered while on OnlyFans? I don't think I did because I had the account obviously for documentary purposes. So it was my own, but I also,

I couldn't take like ownership over it because I was trying to find that line of like, I'm using it and I'm seeing how it works to do justice to this show. But also it's not mine in the sense where I'm going to engage in like, you know, I'm not going to send nudes out because they'd be out there forever. So it was hard for me to land in a place where it felt like I was in control, I guess, because, you know, these people subscribe, they want nudity. They want like, they don't want bikini pictures like that. That's the biggest myth, I think. You know, I think if you're already famous, whatever, you can monetize your bikini underwear pictures for a certain amount of time,

a limited amount of time, and then you're gonna have to do more, or it's just gonna die out, or you're gonna be earning not enough to like live off. I think that's also insightful, because I feel like I've heard a lot of people like, oh, I'm just gonna post some of like, my bikini photos on there. And no one really talks about how it lasts for two seconds. And then people get annoyed. It's like, we'll take your top off, blah, blah, blah. And there's a lot of it feels like pressure on the site that I don't think a lot of women are prepared for. 100% I think. And you know, the temptation is like temptation is like it's crazy you know the DMs start coming through like you know 500 quid for it's a picture

of your nipples and it's like if you were in a situation where you need 500 quid like how easy would it be just and I think there's a disconnect isn't there between doing something in real life and doing it with your phone well you could just do it and send it and there's the money but then it's like it's gone and you can never bring it back and I think for you know it sounds like I said that with judgment because I have you know you can see what I have no judgment but I think the danger is I think for some girls it's absolutely great and they kill it and you know every every downside of it like the preconceived notions that like you know they're a whore or they're promiscuous, it's water for ducks back,

but for a lot of girls, they can't. And they find themselves on this site and they weren't expecting the pressure and they maybe succumb to pressure that they weren't gonna, they go in there saying, I'm gonna do X, Y, Z and they end up doing more. And then you have that feeling of regret and shame. And I think that's sad, you know?

Totally, I felt like in the episode, you did a really good job of meeting with like a multitude of people showing the difference. Like there were some people in this episode that had such a niche like way about going about it. Like whether it was the fitness woman that was doing fitness and then sometimes naked while doing fitness.

And it's like, she kind of had her angle and she felt I think it appeared Empowered because she was doing something she loves which is working out and then just monetizing the hell out of it Then there were some other girls that were kind of like I started and I just kind of started like With just underwear pictures and then and then it starts where what is the boundary and they've crossed it for themselves And then I'm sure it feels like there's no going back. Did you feel like when you were around all these women, did you feel like they appeared to be empowered by what they were doing? Heather I think it was a mix to be honest. I think some very much yes and some not so much.

It's my thing where I went back to the grid girl thing. It's like the whole feminist argument. It's like, who is anyone else to say what empowers someone? If someone's telling me this makes me feel as an empowered woman, more power to you like, get it like 100 percent. But I think there was some that I met with definitely over the other films, like, you know, the porn episode and sugar babies. sugar babies again we you know I meet both sides I meet people that I can see are really struggling with that lifestyle choice and others that are thriving yeah so I think it's just it's not for

everyone and the thing that was going into it in the whole year is like a cheeky title how to get filthy rich but the idea was to see like is it actually that easy because we all do it I do that thing where I'm like or I'm doing something I, I'm like, oh, I'm just going to quit and do OnlyFans and do something easy. Like, and then you realize it, oh, shit, it's not easy. Which I think is great, especially for women, that this show is coming out because I do think it's going to put a stop to that comment because I so agree with you people are like, oh, fuck this, I'm going to quit my day job and go do OnlyFans. And it's like, I don't

think people understand the gravity of that comment because of how much, not only goes into it actually physically, but also mentally seeing these women. There's just like a lot behind it that I think you did a great job of capturing. For me, it's like every job right you do in the world has like this added tax, right?

So if you're, you know, what I do, I'm showing every part of my life has a tax, you know, Instagram has an emotional tax. It makes me feel, sometimes I feel judged, I feel stressed, or if you work in this city and you're there like, you know, six days a week, 10 o'clock at night, you don't see your kids, that's a tax. So does this, like this is not,

does not come without the downside, you know? Like the judgment, and I think, you know, these sites and, you know, you're judgment. I think, you know, these sites and you know, you're seeing cam girls episode as well. It's like the is a hiding place for men as well to like express some pretty weird shit like and these girls have to read this stuff, hear this stuff with no one to really help them like break down the terrible things they've either said to them or they asked them to do. And some of the things that I heard were just absolutely like shocking, like, you know,

the fact they have to read these messages and then just get on with their day. And how does that then affect their relationship with, you know, other straight men in their lives? Because what I think is so interesting is whole online sexual economy debate. We're all so focused on the girls, like the girls who are doing OnlyFans, like, oh my God, they're the worst. But it's our dads, brothers, colleagues who are buying the shit.

No one's worried about them. They're the ones asking for them to do X, Y, stick this up your ass. They're not like these mythical creatures that come up from the sewers. They are the men in our lives. I love how you're saying that. As much as it may pain people, you're right.

It's like, it's your dad, it's your brother, because the man doing it is someone's son, is someone's dad, is someone's husband, you know what I mean? But we don't have a problem with them. We have a problem with the girls providing the content, but we're talking about millions of pounds a year. This isn't like a niche.

This is like the majority of men, not all, the majority. It's really interesting. Talking about cam girls, I was interested, niche. This is like the majority of men, not all, the majority. It's really interesting. Talking about cam girls, I was interested because I obviously haven't seen the episode, but can you explain what a cam girl is and how it's different from participating on OnlyFans? So for me, when we were sitting down going to make the show and we talked about what the different episodes would be, I was like, cam girls, I think, I don't know if you have it in the States, like, babe station, the know the TV, you know the channel where they've got the phone, and

I was like, is that even a thing anymore? It felt very 90s. Like, it's the kind of thing that I would flick onto when I was younger and like the home telly and be like, oh my God. So, but it turns out it's still like big money industry. And this is like, you know, we went, I spent 24 hours at a studio where it's on the phones, but it's also like web cam. So they kind of like, you know, we went, I spent 24 hours at a studio where it's on the phones, but it's also like webcam. So they kind of like, they log on and they pay to be on like the stream and the girls there and then they can call the phone, the girl will take the phone. So it's like, they can either do it from their home or in the studio, but it's contained to like the site. Do you know what I mean? Did you find that most of those women have only fans or no?

A lot. Yeah, Not all, but most. Because it's just a no-brainer. But a lot of the girls who work in the site, they maybe have OnlyFans and they just kind of dip their toe in it because they do the camming because they like the fact that they log on for a camming shift for five, six hours. And then they go and they leave and it's done.

Whereas OnlyFans never leaves you alone. It's constantly, you know, it's on your phone. You never get a break. So they find like doing the camming or going to a studio and being a cam girl. It's like that's work and then literally like clock off, go home and they've got kids and normal lives and husbands and they just leave that.

And then the next day they go back and they go back to work. That makes sense. Cause the OnlyFans episode really, really like again you guys have to go watch it because you feel how it's an everyday every minute of your life thing where now I'm now I understand something like why would a girl do cam girling if it's only fans you can do it from home there is a boundary. Do you know like which cam girls obviously we haven't seen the episode yet but like the idea of it like who would make the most money?

Like what kind of version of camming? In what sense? Like are there different things that girls do that you can make like a different tier in camming? I mean, like it's insane. One thing across all episodes you'll see is like this, and I really want to sit down like with a clinical psychologist and pick this apart because there has to be a reason. This feet thing, right? Across every single episode,

there's this undercurrent about feet. So the girls in the county, the ones who are like great at the feet chat, who can like dangle the soletto on their big toe, like do all that, they kill it. Because literally six out of 10 calls will be about feet. What the fuck is up with men and feet? I don't know, but I need to get to the bottom of that.

I do too, we should honestly call this, I'm gonna call my therapist right now and be like, hi, what the fuck is up? There has to be some connection. That's so interesting. Something like Freudian nightmare, because this all the way through. Yeah.

Okay, you talk about sugar babies. What was the biggest misconception you had about sugar babies? That it's always an exchange maybe for sex for money. And I met girls, people might roll their eyes and go, oh, bullshit. No, these girls are like honest with me. Like there is arrangements where it's not sexual.

It's just dinner. Or it's just company. Or some of them, it's not even in person. It's just talking. And he might pin them like 500 quid or whatever. So I thought, who the hell is gonna give someone money, do you know what I mean, for nothing basically. Oh yeah, I've heard of people also, like I had a friend that did it and it was just to

go to dinner and just to basically be his date. And I'm like, eventually is it gonna progress to sex? Eventually they do kinda ask, I think, but for a while you can kinda stay in that gray zone, which again kinda reminds me of the OnlyFans thing, where you can stay in this gray zone for a little bit of like, I'm comfortable with this, and then someone's gonna ask,

and then you have to know how to set that boundary for yourself. 100%, and I think one of the girls I've met, she should have had this arrangement with a guy for like three, four years, she's never had sex with him and she said it's all about your approach. From day one you set that, it's the way you approach the situation

that you approach that guy and you let him know that. And I think that's experience, age, everything comes into it. Same with OnlyFans, I think you have to be a very strong person to be like, this is my boundaries and I'm not gonna move. Whereas I think if you approached it and you're not really sure what your angle is, it's easier for someone to maybe coerce you. Totally. Because you don't even know yourself. But I think...

What did you find is the hardest thing about being a sugar baby? about being a sugar baby? I think maybe just living in that limbo land, it's like you don't have a boyfriend, but you're not single. And essentially they are the one handing out the money, so you have to kind of, I guess, I mean, it depends how much money we're talking. A lot of the girls,

it's hard for them to have a normal job and be a sugar baby, because some of these guys want them with them all the time. And then, you know, I think some of the girls I spoke to, it's like, it's great if you've got a great thing going, but if he just like drops you like that, you can go from living this like, unreal lifestyle. That's where it's like being smart, like, you know, getting the allowance, banking the money, whereas like, I think if you're younger and just like living life and spending, and then he's just like, oh bye, you could be like, ah, I can't afford my apartment,

I can't afford my car. Like it's a very fine line of like thriving and succeeding and using the system and kind of like doing your thing with it. But you have to know like this takes way more work than we give these women credit for. Oh, like they are straight up hustlers. Like if you, the girls that do it right, it's like, it's an art form at the peak. Like, you know, like you say, it's like, it's like any relationship when you're young or like, you know, you're not thinking straight. You don't set your boundaries, your standards.

So that means the standards and the better, it's just all a mess. Like, so it's like anything you have to go in and be like, this is what it is. This is what I want from you. This is what I'm going to give you. It's like we literally we need someone to like that's done this to like create a crash course which I kind of think you're in a way this is like the beginning of it because by you peeling this layer back it's giving people kind of that like introduction of what the world

will be if you're interested in it and I think for a while there hasn't been that. So women are just blindly going into it because they just have money on the mind, which I so get. Who doesn't? But it's like there's no idea of how far it's gonna go and what's gonna happen. Because I think what I love about this show

is that it's like an immersive documentary but it has heart and it has humor and we're not coming at from an angle. Whereas I think other shows that have looked at these subjects are coming from like a slightly judgmental it feels kind of like seedy I don't think there's anything wrong with you know dating someone for like financial gain or you know life experience or you know whatever it may be for travel like what the hell you know if you're two concerning adults, you're not hurting anyone, what does it matter?

But I think like you say, young girls need to, and I think this show is nice, because it's very balanced. We're not glorifying anything. The girls are really honest. They're like, I'm making, you know, Bonnie, she's like, I'm making 250 grand a month, my best month. But it's a heavy load to carry.

It's not just as easy as that, you know? Totally. I know I haven't watched it yet and we're all going to see it, but you also experienced the Pornhub world. What was your approach for that episode? Were you nervous? I was excited.

Oh yes. I was excited. I was like, I actually think I say in the beginning of episodes, like I've only seen one penis for the last couple of years. I was like, let's see it. So I was excited to like see some willies and like just be amongst it. And also just as someone that's like, you know, everyone's watched porn, but to actually see how it's made. Yeah. How was that? What was that like? Like, obviously I went to an orgy one time, I'm like giggling, because it's, you know, when it's right there in the flesh, but it's just, it's all so different to how you imagine it to be.

Like I learned that the cum shot, you know, on the thumbnails on the website, that's like Gaviscon, do you have Gaviscon? It's like a heartburn medication. They just throw it over the girl's face, not even semen. Stop, I swear. At the beginning of the shoot, they'll sit there and they'll pour like this heartburn medication or something like goopy and they position it all perfectly

and they do all the photos. Yeah, because I was thinking like actually when you think about it now it makes sense because like who has like that much semen and also the positioning of it is always like perfect. Perfect. Then they wipe it all off. Then they do like then they'll do still shots. Then they'll plan out, like, you're gonna be there doing doggy, it's just mental. Like, full production. Which I think is nice to hear, and I'm glad that you're kind of, like, breaking down that wall again,

because I know, when I was like, I'm gonna get a facial from this guy's penis, and he's gonna go all over my face, and I remember the first time it happened, it went right in my eye, and I fully was, like, blackout, like, couldn't see, like, was just, like, fucked for the rest of the week, and I'm I'm like wait why does it look like this on porn because it doesn't actually fucking happen. That doesn't happen like that. What, why are people do you think still shooting for porn sites if OnlyFans exists? We had this kind of, that was like a question that went throughout that film and ultimately

is that there is still a demand for high production value porn. People still like it, you know. OnlyFans I think is like your impersonating intimacy, you know, it's that intimate thing, the back and forth, the messages, you know, giving someone that like personalized experience, whereas porn is much more, you know, a fantasy, it's costumes, it might be in a style that someone, you know, like they do the sci-fi shit and whatever, like it's a different, it's a completely different thing. But aren't women in porn not making as much as? Oh sorry, you meant the actors.

No, no, that was actually helpful too, yeah. So a lot of them are doing both now, but the thing is with the bigger porn stars, they might have like really big contracts with like a brasses or, you know, digital playground or something and they like on really good money. So it's, and I think you're, some of them have like a no only fans policy. You know, if you have that contract, I know obviously that the money you can earn is a lot more in the States than it is in, you know, the UK in terms of porn and stuff. But yeah, the bigger porn stars, I think they stick to their like, it's like a trade, isn't it? Like, you know, they, it's like, there's a skill they've, you know, and they have, they make really good money. So they, all they stick to their like it's like a trade isn't it like you know they second there's a skill they've you know and they have they make really good money so if they all they have to do is go and maybe shoot two films a week and get like the big check

whereas what they'd have to do and only fans to make the same would be way more laborious in your episodes and through your experience like did you find any women struggling with knowing if they wanted to stay in porn or not? I met a girl who was, Alex, she'd done OnlyFans and she was wanting to move into porn and she to me was someone who seemed really unsure. It filled me with a lot of anxiety after I met her actually and she went and she did like, I think like a hand job video, whatever, and she hated it, and then she realized it wasn't for her, and I was like, thank God that you did that and not something else, like,

so you could make that decision. I spoke to the other girls who were like regular pawns, I was like Scarlett, I spoke to, like a lot of the really professional shoots, they will have like a check sheet at the beginning, so they'll be like, they'll go through it, the stars, it'll be like anal tech or strangling. She could be like, no, don't even show.

And they X and tick everything that's like a yes or a no. And then that's like the print, like no one strays from that. She said, don't touch my arseholes, he can't, or vice, do you know what I mean? But then she said, she'll go to shoots where like they don't do the checklist and it's just a bit of a free for all.

So, you know, there is, you know, I think there is risk involved. I think that's why OnlyFans as well is appealing to a lot of sex workers because, you know, it's, it takes away that risk, doesn't it, of having to interact with other people? Absolutely. Yeah. Which episode was your favorite to create and why? I'm gonna surprise everyone this I think, but Cam Girls, I think is my favorite episode. I'm gonna surprise everyone this I think, but Cam Girls I think is my favorite episode. Purely just, it's a really hard one because they love them all, that's like my babies,

but Cam Girls, the girls I met were just, I really, I don't know, I just connected with them. It was just so much heart and they were so open with me and it was such a diverse kind of range of girls who goes to this studio do this job which is just so crazy to a lot of us like you know and then they go home and their mothers or they've got other jobs and it's just like there's so much more than what people would pigeonhole them as and I just loved it I love being in the studio

I love being with the girls. What was the studio like? Are they in a room by themselves? It's like this big studio and it's like sectioned down all the way. It's open, right? And each booth is like different colors or different themes. And the girls are all in there on the phone

and the webcomic. And so when you're on an evening when I was in there, it's just a room of like sex noises, dirty talk, like all competing over each other. But they say like they can hear each other a bit. But it's not that loud. But to me it was like, how can you even think straight? Cause it's like, literally I'm talking like,

you know like when you go to a photo shoot and they use those polystyrene, that's what's separating each thing. And it was my head when I left that night was like spinning. I was like, just listening to everything. The phones ringing. I answered phones to this guy and he's like panting down the phone.

I was like, this is... Did you talk to someone? Yeah, I was like giving him all the chat and then I just couldn't and I froze. Give us a little preview. I was like, hey baby, you horny. And then I don't know why I'm doing American accent, that's just what came out. I feel like if you're going to do a porn voice, it has to be American. Wait, really?

Yes. Oh, I didn't think about that. That's so interesting. Because I just feel like most porn you watch is... Give me your best American, hey baby, are you horny? Do you want to fuck? What's that not? Like, hey daddy, hey daddy gang. Yeah, we're like getting so nasty.

He's like, daddy gang. That's really interesting, too. Did you find a lot of these women in the cam world were like friends or was it kind of like, do my work, get out of there? I think that's why I like, that's why I kind of got emotionally involved with that place. Cause they were like, it's like a bit of a sorority vibe. Like they was all like, and what was made me feel nice is

that the thing which I think makes doing only fans or coming from home really hard, if they got a call and some guy asked them like to do some terrible thing, you know, if people call up and ask disturbing things like, we pretend to be like my sister or my mom and I'm going to rape you, it's just horrendous. And they have to like mentally like process the fact that that is an actual human being out there in the world having these thoughts. They then have each other to lean on. They can be like, I just had this call and they all can relate.

Whereas, you know, other girls who are doing OnlyFans and maybe their other girlfriends aren't doing OnlyFans, if they bring their friend who works like as a dental hygienist and like someone just asked me to stick remote control on my ass like she's gonna be like can't relate like yeah like at work babe. I can't help you. Whereas I think for them it's like being around other girls who are doing the same thing and they can all relate to each other and That's amazing and I think it's just cool to hear that because I can imagine at times the OnlyFans world can be a bit isolating and lonely because the perks of shooting at home sure are great, but then being alone you're like what the fuck. And it's all about the numbers and it can be quite competitive I think and they're

obsessing over. Totally. So you really immersed yourself in each of these episodes. Was there ever a specific moment where you felt uncomfortable? Generally is it was hard for me. It's like I'm Open and pretty liberal like I you know This it's hard because this stuff that I would do if I wasn't like Live from love Island because I'm I was trying to always walk the line of like I want to do this documentary I want to be immersive I want to get my hands dirty but I also want people to like not get confused I don't want this

to become about me so if I you know I was thinking only fans I want to post something more sexy to like see how that but then I'm thinking the only thing will happen is then that photo of me just get pulled out of there put in British tabloids out of context, and then it's not gonna become about what it's about. So it was me trying to be really immersive without going to a point where people get distracted and they're just worried about what I'm doing.

Oh my God, she's got her kit off. I'm sure when the show comes out, there's gonna be, I do this sex call and whatever, and people are gonna, I was an extra in a porno and all this shit, and I love that, but it's know, I was an extra in a porno and all this shit. And I love that. But it's like, yeah, it was just trying to find the right. Right.

We in the porno, do you get naked? No. Okay. We see, I maybe would have like got, you know, wouldn't have like Went topless or something. But yeah, I don't know. It's really camp for who I am now. Yeah, because it would have been people would have been like, oh, you know, she's just,

yeah. And again, it's almost like the whole thing. I'm doing this documentary and I'm wanting to like break down these walls of like stigma and the way we pigeonhole women. And then I'm there, it was like a head fart because I'm like, well, I can't go in my underwear too many times and people would be like,

well, she's not really a presenter because she's constantly naked. So it's like, and now I'm feeling the same stigma myself. It's like a matrix. Yeah I when I was watching episode one and with the OnlyFans there were when two of the girls were shooting on the side you made a comment and you're like oh my god I have this like I'm feeling like this maternal instinct towards these girls. What why did you feel that? I think I know this thing you're talking about it just those two girls were so young

and they you know I don't want to sound patronising, they probably would think, oh fuck off, we're fine. Like mind your own business grandma, like do you know what I mean? When I was their age, I would have been thinking, I'm literally making money. But I just think, I saw especially more in one than the other, I was like,

I just reminded me when I was her age and I was so like ambitious and reckless and she might be way more mature than I am and she might do this for the next 10 years and smash it and I hope that is the case but you know when someone's a lot younger than you as a girl and I just looked at her I don't know I just just I just felt it she was talking and reading out some messages she'd have from guys that were like pretty hardcore like really emotionless and I just, I hope that you're okay. I hope, you know what I mean?

And that sounds really fucking patronizing, but that's me being really honest of how I felt in that moment. I'm not, you know. I appreciate that. And no judgment, I just, it's like more of like a big sister feeling. I'm wanting to be like,

yes, I mean, I felt it while watching it. Cause I was like, oh my God, like I just wanna make sure because there maybe aren't guidelines of when that one girl mentioned like, this guy like sent me my address and said, I know where you live. I was like, yeah, when it comes to safety of these women, that's where I get really nervous. And I think that's something that's not talked about enough. It's like, sure, we can glamorize all of it that the media does.

But like this show is helping because you're hearing from their mouth, not other people that gossip of like what their day to day is. But like you say, it's like taking out the shadows, like your friend wants to have a sugar daddy, fine, but she needs to feel like she can tell you and where she's going rather than sulking off like into the darkness and not telling and putting themselves in danger. And being judged. Yeah, so if they feel like safe and it's accepted, they can tell their feel, I'm gonna drop my pin and you can check that, you know, I'm safe.

Because it's like a murky world. It is. Which of the four ways selling essentially your body on the internet seemed like the healthiest and safest option? God, that's really hard because I feel like it's just down to the individual. Some people, being a sugar baby just wouldn't work. Whereas other people being on,

I couldn't spend that much time on my phone. I hate how much time I spend on my phone as it is doing Instagram and stuff. I could not be that logged into a website. So yeah, I think it's person to person. Yeah, that's interesting, because it's like, if you are a super outgoing person, maybe the sugar baby situation is more for your personality.

Yeah. Whereas maybe if you're like more introverted or whatever, like maybe OnlyFans, or that could not be the case, like everyone's gonna feel differently towards. Like if you wanna be out and you wanna travel and you wanna be social, like being a sugar baby would be great, or, you know, vice versa, I think, yeah. to travel and you want to be social, like being a sugar baby would be great or you know vice versa. I think yeah. What and okay so now we're like wrapping up like having this conversation. I really appreciate

this series and what you're doing to kind of conclude in this conversation though like what advice would you give to women after experiencing and watching all of this that are interested in getting into either? Camming or only fans or porn or sugar babies? I think as hard as it is like to block out the outside noise of like what other people think you should be doing Because I always think when people say always something bad like does it feel bad if it makes you feel good Go for it, but think think about it like you feel good, go for it. But think about it. Like don't, like just sleep on it a little bit

and also going into any of those areas of work as hard as it may be to stick to them, I think try and go in with like your boundaries. This is what I'm gonna do. You know, I always think with OnlyFans that one of the massive issues is like the content leaking. If something which unfortunately at the moment the leaking is such a problem,

whatever you post nine times out of 10 will be leaked. So if you would just die, if that was out and your family and friends saw it, then maybe you don't post it. If you wouldn't, if you can own it, then do it. I think it's just like, yeah, having your boundaries and what you can be happy with. I love that because I feel like,

even just the first episode, I was so interested in listening and really learning from it. And there's so many great things that I can't even imagine the rest of the series, like every single person listening, we have to go watch it when it comes out. Because I feel like the boundary thing,

you're right, that is it. It's like watching these girls starting on OnlyFans and the girls were like, I started posting this photo. But then when you, you're so right when you earlier said like, when someone offers you so much money to just quickly take a picture of your tits and your phone is in front of you, you never have to like interact and see the man. It's like, it's a fake world almost in your mind. So you really have to interact and see the man. It's a fake world almost in your mind. So you really have to keep in mind of like, what did I come into this believing in for myself is right

and how I'm gonna be able to sleep at night feeling good. And I appreciate you saying that, you're right. Nine times out of 10, these photos will be on the internet. And if you are okay with that, thrive, bitch. But just know that line because I don't think enough people talk about that. You know what I mean? And I think you're right.

And I think it's not about glorifying it or condemning it. It's just being real. Yeah, like we're not here to judge. And we're not saying like, everyone go sign up today. It's like it's happening in the world. So we need to talk about it, especially because it's mostly women, but it's also like,

let's just have an honest conversation about it. It's like, I would say, you know, about reality TV when people, it's so easy for people to condemn it. It's like, no one's got a gun to anyone's head, right? So if you go into it with your eyes open, so if you are willing to go, you know, onto a TV show and expose yourself to the world,

or think about it, like, do you sleep on it? And think of the pros and the cons, make a list. I mean, it's easy for me, so I'm really impulsive. I've literally make all my decisions like that. But I mean, yeah, it'd be a nice idea to weigh everything up. Totally, and I think, and then I have one last question, but I do think it was really cool

because I was thinking about it when I was watching that first episode and I was like, I feel like a really also good way for women before getting into it would be reaching out to some creators and being like, hey, I know you have no idea who I am. I'm thinking of starting an OnlyFans.

Do you have like five minutes of your time to just chat? Because your show- I just forgot one area that really freaks me out. It's the referral thing. So other content creators, if they can get someone to sign up, they get like a bonus. So that was one area that I was a bit like, oh, like, so I think, yeah, if you can speak to someone you trust,

but I do think there's a bit of a thing where like girls are recruiting other girls. It's like an ulterior motive. Yeah, so that's the only thing, because they give that girl or boy, you know, this boy's like a bonus if they get someone to sign up. So I think, yeah, so you just have to be really savvy.

Okay, so definitely don't reach out to anyone, nevermind, just literally watch Liv's new show. Because you're breaking it down and everyone has a different perspective. Last question. Okay. What was your biggest takeaway from creating this series? I think I touched on it briefly.

It's just interesting that we live in this world where all the obsession is on the women creating the content, but no one's talking about the people buying it. The reason OnlyFans is what it is is because all the men in our society, the demand. So, and not there's anything wrong with that, but I just think it's interesting.

We're never looking at the people asking for, you know, whatever it is. We're always looking at the people providing it and, you know, and shaming them and looking down on them. But we don't worry about the fact that it's probably Bob from Next Door. Like he's the one asking for the feet video. Do you know what I mean?

I just think. Totally. We've got a long way to go to move that, the sexism and the stigma. I think, you know, I hope shows like this will break down boundaries and you know, it kind of humanizes these girls. I think it's very easy to dehumanize people that work in the sex industry.

And I think the online sexual economy is even more dehumanizing because we just see them as like robots online. But these are real people with real lives, with families, with partners, whatever. And they should be treated like that. I think that this show truly is breaking down a barrier of like showing the behind the scenes

and exactly what you said. We are all of us are essentially dehumanized because of social media and the world we live in. And the show is like no let's humanize these people. Let's go into their bedrooms. Let's see their lives. Let's see the cars they drive. Let's watch them through day to day.

And it's I think it's amazing. Daddy gang. You need to go watch. It is going to be amazing. I love you. I'm so honored you're here. This was so fun. Thank you so much.

Amazing. Thank you for having me. The amount of things that are said on Love Island, that as someone from the United States, I had to Google furiously because I'm like, what is she saying? He's a melt? What does a melt mean? What is happening? What is going on?

I'm Googling like a freak and I just was obsessed. I started speaking in the accent, then it was awful, then I had to move on. But I need to go through some of these terms and ask you to explain them for me. I have probably knocked down with the kids enough to actually get this. I might be sad. Okay, you can start with what the fuck does a melt mean? A melt, like a drip. Do you say that in the States? No, with her. Just like, normally if you say about a guy, I'll go Scott no backbone. They're just a drip. Just

like a wet rag. I feel like we would say like a pushover, like weak. Yeah, or maybe it can be a guy or a girl, but a lot of pit times people say it about a boy. You know when they start to like a girl and they go soft, they go, oh, he's a melt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that toxic masculinity thing of being like, if you're nice to a girl, you're a melt.

If that's what it is. Okay, that makes sense. Okay, what about he pied me off? Like ghosted, like makes sense. Okay. What about he pied me off like ghosted like just Okay, you guys say pied instead of ghosted. Well, we say ghosted but pied is like he ended a broke up Yeah, got it. Okay mugged off the similar thing like okay mugged up would be more just like Yeah, a guy just kind of tosses you to the side like with not much explanation And if you were saying someone's attractive you guys would say he's fair Yeah, and it has no like relation to their physical like what would you call someone if you're like, oh, he's fucked a lot of girls

Shagga Shagga. Okay, we would say So bad it's like a mix between Australian and British, it's awful. Okay, so we would probably say he's a player, or a man whore. Yeah, we say fuck boy, but not, yeah. But not a man. Or she's a shagga, like. Shagga, shagga.

Okay, what about? That's stunning by the way. I want that as my ringtone. Okay, cracking on, what does that mean? Cracking on would normally mean you meet a girl, you've exchanged number you're going on date you're cracking on you Yeah, we would say like vibing. Yeah, got it. Okay. What is grafting, you know, I Can't think of what the American time would be but like working a girl like you've DMing you asking you out He's putting the work. He's got the hard hat on the boots the shovel like he is

Everything like do you see that as a negative kind of no hard hat on, the boots, the shovel, like he is... He is in it to get you. Yeah, he's doing everything. Like, do you see that as a negative kind of? No, like they have to graft. Like he's putting in work. Yeah, like they need to graft, like for sure. Because I remember in the show it was like, oh, he's really grafting, or he's grafting, he's grafting. Grafting.

Grafting, grafting. Or grafting, if you know the North. Grafting, we're grafting. Okay, that makes a lot of sense because it was so fun. I think that's also why I enjoyed it, because I was like learning so much about the term. It's education. Yeah, it was education mixed with a little psychotic behavior and it made for great TV.