Call Her Daddy - Olivia Attwood: OnlyFans, Cam Girls, Pornhub and Sugar Babies (Summer Series)

Episode Date: July 13, 2022

This week, Father Cooper travels to London and sits down with Olivia Attwood. Olivia discusses her life before Love Island and recounts her days partying and traveling the world as a grid girl. Olivia’s dating life before Love Island? Tattoos on the first date and countless cheating stories…it was toxic. The pair then discuss Olivia’s experience exploring the world of OnlyFans and Pornhub and the lives of cam girls and sugar babies. Olivia breaks down the reality of these internet ventures and reveals the dark side you’ve never heard about before. Olivia joins OnlyFans and speaks about the struggles she faced while on the site. What is the most twisted request cam girls receive? Is sugar baby-ing as easy as it seems? Why shoot porn if OnlyFans exists? Every question is addressed and every misconception debunked.

What is up daddy gang it is your founding father Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy Hello? Oh my god. I feel like I know you. I know! I've been so excited to meet you. This is going to be so good. Do you need anything? No I've literally helped myself to like free prosecco from the uh wait what i know there was i'm in my i don't even know guys i didn't get offered any what the it was in a fridge i just took it you're like let's go welcome to london babe oh my god i'm so happy to be here what are we at we're swearing for this pod you fucking little dirty cunt i'm gonna slide a dildo up your butt. You can say whatever the fuck you want. But I wondered, like, are we going to make drinks or whatever?

No, I know. No one offered me a drink. So I was like, I think. Guys, can we get Alex in for a second? So apparently Olivia's been drinking without me. I found it in a fridge. I might have paid someone who goes to the corner shop. It's upstairs in the fridge.

There was four bottles and I just took a tumbler. Okay, ready? Yeah, ready. Olivia Atwood, welcome to Call Her Daddy. That sentence just gave me chills, by the way. Like, I've got goosebumps. Wait, I love it so much. I'm so happy to be here in your presence.

Really? Yes! Okay, I'm going to give you a backstory because I'm going to lube you up here. Okay. Pandemic. I'm sitting in give you a backstory because I'm going to lube you up here. Okay. Pandemic. I'm sitting in my New York City apartment. I am so bored as we all are. And I'm like, I need to find a TV show that I can go and binge.

I need to be here for days on end. And I find Love Island. And I put on my social media and I'm like, what season do I start? Obviously, UK. And everyone is like, you have to watch three or five. You have to watch three or five. And so naturally I'm like, I'm starting with three. I click on three, your beautiful face pops up. And the entire season, I was obsessed. You were so incredible. I was like, I need to interview this girl. And I thought

this like over a year and a half ago to two years ago. So naturally I flew 5,000 miles so I could sit down with you and interview Olivia Atwood. This is crazy. This is crazy to me. Like I've been a fan of the podcast forever. I swear to God, the Instagram, everything is wild. Daddy gang, be nice to me. Oh, are you kidding me? They're going to be, they are going to be be nice to me oh are you kidding me they're gonna be they are gonna be

so nice to you I've actually had people wanting you to come on the show for so freaking long and I had reached out to your team and I think we had

originally been like we can just do a zoom I remember this a little bit I was like are you fucking kidding me I'm not doing a zoom with Olivia Atwood

I hate zoom as well it's just not the same we can't drink Prosecco let's go back a little bit okay because everyone knows you from love island and you were incredible on it but before love island young young olivia not that young but like you know now i'm not saying she's like 10 years old doing this but you were like so creepy you were a grid girl yeah can you explain what is a grid girl what was your job what were you doing i was a model but a grid girl. Yeah. Can you explain what is a grid girl? What was your job? What were you doing?

I was a model, but doing grid girl and promotion stuff to like fill the gaps, you know. And I was at this thing we have in the UK called the Touring Car Championships. It's like pretty low key, whatever. It was there. It was a miserable fucking day. It was like the north of England. And I was like, what am I actually doing? Like standing here with this sad little flag. And then the monster girls were there with another team and one of the girls approached

me and she was like would you you know want to work with us but you when you work with monster you can only do like monster you can't do like a bit of this bit of that so I said yeah um and then yeah I started like a week after and I did that solidly for like, oh, God, four or five years. I was like a monster girl. So it's everything. It's like all sporting events, like ski, skate, like track, cars, motorbikes. It's crazy. Obviously, it's a bunch of hot girls and you're hanging out. And naturally, I can only imagine like the parties and the vibes.

What is one of the wildest nights out you remember having during that time of your life? They were always wild. Like it was, you know, the amount of times I turned up with no sleep. Like, I mean, I was just a different animal back then. Like I couldn't do it now. Like I'd be in a fetal position, like rocking, crying. Like I was, I could go out all night and then still look hot the next day. It was like, you know, it's like to be that age it's just the dream but people always say to me all the riders the

drivers but you know like the thing was like formula one drivers motor gpu they don't drink like really they don't they're like they are like quite a weird breed like they're not super social it's a very like you know isolated sport so they don't really get involved in like you know partying and stuff so it was more like I'd end up like with the mechanics like I didn't give a shit if he was down to like drink with me and get messy I was all about it like I didn't care if you were changing tires earlier you still got grease on your hands if you want to go and like well pound a bottle of Jager let's do it like I had no prejudice I didn't give a shit I love that for you so much also I was I was thinking about it because I've dated athletes before.

I know you're engaged to one. And so I'm thinking, like, I forgot that concept. Like, when you're younger, you want to go for these athletes. But it's almost like, wait till you're, like, a little bit older because they don't fucking party. No. And they're so, like, obviously dedicated to what they're doing and focused and nothing is going to, like. Just disgusting. Oh, my God. Imagine having imagine having dedication and you know self-control Olivia and I are like it's so annoying that they won't party with us like I don't comprehend it I want to get a vibe

Olivia of like how would you describe your dating life before Love Island give it to us so i had a long-term relationship with just this oh it's a piece of shit but i was with him for like four or five years it was like my first real thing and i was doing modeling and i was very obsessed with this relationship and i i almost you know my modeling agency was so done with me because i would flake on things because i just wanted to be with him all the time like i didn't even care to have my own money I had no drive it was a really good lesson for me I learned I'm so glad I had that kind of relationship at that young age because it taught me everything that I needed to know do you know what I mean like to have your own money to have your own independence I just was obsessed and I was

flaking on jobs he used to do his thing where he'd break up with me like on the Friday and be like I'm going whatever like you know I'd be all anxious and like I'd be a mess and then on Monday to come back and be like oh no like let's work it out he just picked me up and dropped me all the time so when like Monster actually gave me like a lifeline that at that time that I needed it's weird everything in my life I feel like with Love Island, Monster it's like the universe has like thrown me this like life vest like at that time it's like because doing Monster at first when I when I realized how much travel it was I was a bit like I don't want to like travel and be away from him because I was like obsessed for some reason and it's like doing that and seeing the world and

meeting new people opened my eyes to like oh my god there's just like massive world out there and you've made your world so freaking small like for what reason so it kind of opened my eyes to how dire the situation I was in was and then that broke down like for a good reason but then following that my dating was like pretty erratic like I just used to like you know go from one guy to the next I jump in really feet first like I am all that. I want them to be obsessed with me. I want to be obsessed with them. I want to get tattoos on the second date. I want them to move in.

Like they could come to the second date with my name tatted on their head. And I'd be like. I'm what? Yeah, I'm literally. Do you want to go upstairs? My friends are like, that's insane. I'm like, I love him. Like, yeah.

So I love that, that obsessive being in love. So I was always, you know, going kind of once and next, chasing that feeling. Sometimes you have to go through those relationships, right? I don't know anyone that hasn't had that one

obsessive relationship that borders unhealthy. And it takes you having distance and space from someone to then be like, oh my God. And it may literally be like you going away for your job a bunch.

And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, this shit is not healthy. Whether you're like viewing your friends or the people around you and you all of a sudden are like, okay, I need to like look at this differently. At one point, I don't even think I had like my own debit cards.

It was ridiculous. Like I didn't, I literally like, when I say pulled the rug from under my feet every time he like left me, I was like, you know, I was underweight

and I was crying and I was just, I was just like, I was underweight and I was crying and I was just I was just like I was just it was so unhealthy and I just it just learning that at that age like you know my late teens early 20s was like I think a really important lesson to learn it just I remember how I felt and I thought I'm never gonna let myself be in that situation again yeah if Brad walked out tomorrow it would hurt like I wouldn't get over it in a day but i could still get in my car that i own drive somewhere get my own house i mean i'm good like i'd be heartbroken but i'm good i'm not gonna be on my knees like i was with that situation i've

been in one of those too and i think it's like wait if he left tomorrow what happens like am i okay like again heartbroken is different than like wait i literally have nowhere to live no money no friends my family is gone because i distanced myself like checking those moments i was like distance from everyone like friends family like completely isolated like so yeah monster was like you know it was it threw me a lifeline um and we had the best i traveled the world this is my thing that i say is like you know people get on about grid girls or like you know ring girls and this anti-feminism like who we've had men telling us what to do now we've got other women telling us what to do if you feel empowered doing something and you're safe and you're in a an environment like monster is a safe

you know it's a very safe gig for me who's anyone else to tell me what that empowered me changed my life if through me a lifeline you know that is amazing but at the same time you know it I couldn't I did it for four or five years and you know it's that I got to the end of my thing with it you know when you're working for a brand like that is you there's not much individuality like you know you have to have your hair a certain way your nails a certain way you do this that the other and towards the end I because I felt like I was outgrowing it a little bit. I started pushing the boundaries,

like burning some bridges, you know, just like acting, like just acting out because I started to be like, no, I'm going to come with red nails, like just for the fucking hell of it. Right.

That's actually really cool though, for you to like hear about the whole concept of how monster helped you. Because I agree. I feel like so many people are so quick, especially with whatever women are doing. If anything has to do with your looks, they're like, it's degrading. You're not empowering yourself. And it's like, hold on.

Like, why don't you ask me how I feel first? Thank you. And I feel like what the thing is, is without this, how do I say this without it coming off really bad? Obviously, I think of myself as somewhat intelligent, but some girls, they are just, they just do want to do their fucking hair and look pretty. and that's might be their thing in life and why can you tell them that that's not good enough or that's not empowering like what you know i'm not telling the girls at nasa you can't work there because i'm not clever enough to work there like let people do their thing

yeah thank you for sharing that yes i welcome love island okay so we're gonna we're gonna go through a little bit of that for people that don't know also i just want you to know i only watch love island uk i think it's entertaining i haven't watched the australia one have you i dipped in a little bit but not like is it as good i don't think anything's as good as uk it's not it's just not okay so for anyone who has never seen love island, how do you describe the concept of the show? It's like good-looking girls and guys on an island, dating. It's a game show. There's money at the end.

But essentially, it's like you get coupled up and you have challenges thrown at you. And it's a test. It's who can find a real connection, a connection real enough to take you to the final and maybe win that money although it's weird with love island like when you're in there no one really talk gives a shit about the money it's yeah it's the kind of like you wouldn't you don't even need the money at the end the money it's just like a thing but it's it kind of yeah no one focuses on that in a weird way. I love that though because I was thinking about it. I feel like Love Island is so much more accepted and loved

than consider like The Bachelor. It's like, it's not realistic that after six weeks, you're going to get married. Like I love how Love Island is like, are we going to hit it off and are we going to leave here together as a couple? Like that's so much more realistic and obviously being in a house together

and there's alcohol and there's nothing else to do other than alcohol there's like two glasses yeah yeah no but it is kind of wait they would would they limit you or are you joking wait are you joking wait why don't i know two glasses on my series okay i can't speak we were all like balls to the wall crazy so we might have been limited more than others but we had two glasses of wine a night or beer that's shocking because i didn't realize none of you were hammered so all that stuff i'm doing i'm basically sober i'm just i'm like you must be hammered when the fight scene happens no i didn't have my drink yet and then i went outside and the producer said you're not getting anything tonight i was like oh you're joking i was like honestly i swear i'm sober can you imagine if we were licking up it'd be like fight class no it actually would have been probably like

not even arable because it would have gotten so wild so the reason is they say because i questioned them every day it's the point where they're like if you ask about it again you're gonna get a written warning is what i was told in the beach hut because i them every day it's the point where they're like if you ask about it again you're going to get a written warning is what I was told in the beach hat because I argued every day is that the the show is because it's about dating about love they don't want people doing stuff you know driven by alcohol and the next day waking up being like oh I don't actually like him I only snogged him because I was drunk because it's not that kind of show it wouldn't make sense they want people kissing and being in bed together because it's they want to not because they're drunk right which is so different I feel like in real life though because let's be

real I mean I've gone from living on my own since I was like 21 to you know doing what I want to being told like you know you got two glasses it was a real hard for my head like to deal with oh yeah I feel like I would feel that way too, so that's a really good insider info I did not know. So when you got there, in your mind and your experience, what was the atmosphere and energy on that set? Series 3 was the one that blew up, right? So we had Series 1 and 2 in the UK that were popular. So I was meant to go on Series 2. This is like the tea.

Wait, give us how you were cast. Okay, tell me the tea. So it's really like an eye-rolling kind of like nauseating waste. But I was approached on Instagram. They DM'd me. So series two, they DM'd me. I'd only watched little bits of series one. It was popular, but really like no one was really talking about it.

I was doing the monster thing. I'd started a thing off with this guy. He was like a rider, whatever, like motocross thing. And I was all about him. We'd done the tattoos and stuff after the second date. It was sweet. Oh, you actually did tattoos and stuff after the second date it was sweet and then you actually did that

yeah I've got it still now it's like a bit faded but yeah we did the whole is Brad like can we get rid of that he's the most like fat guy he's practically horizontal

like he's he's got like the BDE like you know is that what Kim says like he's got that big dick energy he couldn't give a shit like he's

what is the tattoo of it's just his initial yeah I did it like this two weeks in state. Would you care if Brad had that? I don't think so. Really? I don't know. I would have cut it out of him in his sleep.

You're like, no, I wouldn't care. I would have just sliced it off during his time sleeping. He wakes up. What are you doing? Nothing. Also, for everyone listening, Brad is Olivia's fiance. Yeah, that's my long-suffering fiance. You meet this guy.

You get to have a two-second date. Yeah, we're all into it. They approached me. They me they're like you know so I went and I didn't we were just dating so I was like um you know I'll see it through went to meet like interviews whatever then they offered me on I was all like I was basically carrying it on as if I was gonna do it and then it got to like literally I'm leaving in like two weeks and I was like oh I don't know like I've got a really good thing going I like this guy a lot this show is it a bit like you know I've seen all the kind of the program images with the colorful backgrounds and it was no one had really thought it was cool yet so I was like I'm doing something that I think is quite cool and with this guy so anyway I just

I just ghosted I just blocked everyone from basically ITV I just and were they like hello yeah they were like calling I said I just pan like calling and I was like, just panic, it's blocked everyone. I was like, it's going to carry on my life. And then basically, I was with him for a good like, nine months or something.

Anyway, he cheats on me, sleeps with this girl. I go like, How did you find out? I had like a, you know, just like a sixth sense.

I can't remember now the exact. You just knew in your gut. I just knew and I just, I honestly, I've mellowed so much. I just went like, I was, yeah, I just I honestly I've mellowed so much I just went

like I was yeah I was crazy wait what did you do you have to tell us on call her daddy Olivia I was just like writing on my Instagram like wild stuff like ugly pictures of him like look at this piece of shit that cheated on me I was just like stuff that is a shame because I could never do that now because people would be like oh like you can't you know I just really enjoyed being like a nobody you know like just say what I wanted I was calling up his work non-stop I was just insane

I was just literally my mum we were shopping in London when I found out my mum's like wrestling me like in self just trying to get the phone out of my hand

because I'm doing so much damage she's like you need to stop you need to stop I'm like I can't and she's like it's all for the better I'm like no it's not I'm like comedy has done this to me no I get that feeling though you're like he needs to feel a little bit of the hurt that I felt and so I get that I get that yeah I just I just went I re-indulged myself I treated myself to a proper meltdown like I really did I was like smashed at 4 p.m rolling around London just like ringing up his work just fucking crazy rang his mom um just everything I'm like your son's a piece of shit and she's like oh um yeah and then I saw this advert I swear again it's like a whole

universe moment I saw this advert like casting for love and it was on like a bust up or something to like season three and i thought i should have done that last year so i go on my phone i find these people from love and i unblock a couple of them i just ring them up don't i just rang them up shout out to lewis he took the call i was like hi i was like do you remember me and he was like yes you're the girl that disappeared like and i was like well i was like I would love to have a chance to go on the show like can't even keep a straight face saying it and he was like I don't know what the execs are gonna say they're probably gonna tell you to like take a run and jump he's like but I will speak to them um it's quite late in the day for like to see I you know I think they'd

already cast most people I just hung up I was then got all my feelings like what am I doing I don't want to do monster anymore like this guy's loser and anyway call me back like the next day and he's like you can come on if you leave in two weeks so literally that was it I went like on a mad like Zara haul like other brands are available and just got all the bikinis dresses and like two weeks later I was gone so once you got there and you were hanging, what was, do you think, the biggest key to success on Love Island? So my thing going into it, and I, you know, I'm really open about this. When I had nervous feelings about going in,

I thought the worst thing you can do on these kind of shows, I think, is go in, be booted out on week one, and no one even remembers you were there. Like, what was the point? Like, I've left Monster. They're not going to have me back.'ve burnt all those bridges I've left a modeling agency I've you know screwed off the guy that I was seeing like I felt like if I'm going to do this I have to do this properly and I'm going to make sure everyone knows that I'm in the building like that was my main thing and I really you know I just thought I'm gonna I thought to myself when

I get in there I'm going to forget those cameras. I'm just going to do it how I would live life. But it's crazy. Like, I know everyone says it, but like after like 24 hours, you really forget. Like you really forget you're being watched. Oh my God. Like, you know, there were certain members in that villa

who maybe were slightly more canny and were, you know, more self-aware. I've always been un-self-aware. I'd like to say like if you put me in now I know that they get how many billions of years a night that I would behave a different way I probably wouldn't because I can't I cannot be anything but a hot mess I always talk about on my show like guys self-awareness is so key and Olivia's walking and be like I am so unself-aware can you give us examples of what you mean by that? Because you don't see, I can't help but kind of either my

face says it or my mouth says it one of them is gonna say it like I can't you know I can't be a wallflower despite trying at times it's like verbal diarrhea I feel like I'm literally like chewing my lips and then I just did you get in trouble for that a lot when you were younger oh like oh my god my mom used to say to me like what is this oh I'm ADHD which I know now which explains a lot but at school I used to do the weirdest shit and then get in so much trouble and then I'd cry on the way home my mom'd be like but why did you do that and I'd be like I don't know I literally don't know okay well made for really great reality tv okay so wrapping up Love Island, when you look back,

what did you learn about yourself during or after filming that entire experience? If I watch her now, like, you know, I watch myself on Love Island, I was quite angry. You know, my back was up. Like, I was looking for an argument all the time.

I think I've mellowed. I think it's not, there's nothing I would have done differently because that's who I was at that time. And hindsight and age, I'm a lot more relaxed now I wouldn't get wound up about those kind of things but that's who I was then and also it's like everything that has happened in my life is as a result if I'd gone in there like you know medicated in the corner like not talking then I wouldn't be sitting here with you now so I think that's such a good answer because I I relate to that where like I started my

show and I was 10 times crazier saying shit that probably like maybe wasn't at the now I look back I'm like I would never fucking say that now like I don't know if I would say that about a guy or a girl now but I think it's like that's growth right and people are like no like you can't change i'm not saying i changed i just grown and i had a different outlook on like the way i was when i was younger and there's different reasons why you did what you did on that show and if you went in there you still be loud and rowdy but you wouldn't maybe come off like in certain ways like you did in the past because you don't have that like baggage of those men fucking you over like you did when the past because you don't have that like baggage of those men fucking you over

like you did when you were going in yeah congratulations of the new docuseries getting filthy rich yeah first of all i just have to ask you like how does that even feel like i'm already having massive imposter syndrome even being here with you but that's just tipped me over the edge i now feel like i'm sitting in someone else's body no no own it because you're a boss like it's incredible so i want to just explain i got an advanced copy of the first episode and so to anyone listening this show follows olivia on her journey as she participates in various ways people use their body to make money on the internet in the episode i saw olivia dives dives into the world of OnlyFans she creates a profile and interviews

a number of content creators to see what really goes on behind the scenes with people making money on OnlyFans okay I have to check myself let's check ourselves how do we look okay had you ever considered doing OnlyFans prior to creating the series? Not in a serious way. I think I'd thought about it because I had heard this thing people kept saying to me, oh, you should make, there's photos that you post, you could make loads of money on OnlyFans. I kept hearing that again and again and again. So I was intrigued thinking, is it as easy as that? Right.

So that was more, I think, you know, I think take me back pre-Love Island, like, you know, grid girl Olivia, she probably would have done OnlyFans. Do you know what I mean? But me right now where I was, I was more just intrigued. Is it as simple as it sounds? It sounds way too good to be true.

Is OnlyFans what started it for you? Or like, how did the show come about for you? I think we were you know I was really looking to get into like docu-series world um obviously being from reality tv like you can be obviously put in a box and I'm happy with that box I actually love reality tv and I've got no like desire to be like it's the worst thing and get me out that box but I was interested I feel like you know on a good day when I'm sober I've got a quite decent brain I can articulate myself like to a certain degree so I thought I definitely have

more springs to table so yeah we were talking with different networks different ideas and when this one came up I thought that's a really good fit and I'm genuinely fascinated so it's going to be like you know exploring that area is going to be a genuine interest absolutely and I feel like in I know I only saw the first episode but like it translates like I was talking about it with my team and we were like this is exactly what you were meant to do in terms of like I don't know many people that could have handled it as gracefully and respectfully but also made it so fun as you because it is like a sensitive topic and definitely another woman needs to be in that room but also someone that's like willing to see

both sides and be a part of the experience I thought it was really cool so you get on OnlyFans in episode one what was the most difficult aspect of being on OnlyFans the 24 24 hour aspect of it like I didn't I really thought it was something where the way it was sold to me you know from people I spoke to was you make the profile you stick the pictures on and the money just comes in that's not how you make money the money's made in the DMs like the constant communication it's like the girls that are making the big money they are on the site 24 hours a day like you, you know, talking to these people, and when you don't respond, because they've paid to be on your page,

they just hound you like question mark, question mark. Like, you know, where are you? Like, you know, I was like quite taken back by that at first. I was also because, again, I think that's why I loved how you're peeling this layer back of like everyone listening, if you don't have OnlyFans, we all kind of have this idea in our head right of like you're right the girl has the profile she posts some photos she gets money and in this episode it was so fascinating and everyone needs to go watch it because it really gives this inside look of how hard these women are working

like when you were like wait so what would happen if a guy is going to pay you like a thousand dollars to sext him and you're out and she was like I would go to the bathroom and I was like oh shit like it never stops and I could see you were kind of like wait this is giving me anxiety having this many messages on my phone and these people kind of thinking they have like a claim over me of like hi like, like you owe me something. Yeah. Did you feel empowered while on OnlyFans? I don't think I did because I had the account, obviously for documentary purposes. So it was my own, but I also, I couldn't take like ownership over it.

Cause you know, cause I was trying to find that line of like, you know, I'm using it and I'm seeing how it works to do justice know justice to this show but also it's not mine in the sense where I'm gonna engage in like you know I'm not gonna send nudes out because they'd be out there forever so it was hard for me to you know land in a place where it felt like I was in control I guess because you know these people subscribe they want nudity they want like they don't want bikini pictures. Like that's, that's the biggest myth. I think, you know, I think if you're already famous, whatever, you could monetize your bikini underwear pictures for a certain amount of time,

a limited amount of time, and then you're going to have to do more or it's just going to die out or you're going to be earning not enough to like live off. I think that's also insightful because I feel like I've heard a lot of people like, oh, I'm just going to post some of like my bikini photos on there. And no one really talks about how it lasts for two seconds and then people get annoyed. It's like, we'll take your top off, blah, blah, blah. And there's a lot of, it feels like pressure on the site

that I don't think a lot of women are prepared for. A hundred percent. I think, and you know, the temptation is like, it's crazy. Like, you know, the DMs start coming through like, you know, 500 quid for a picture of your nipples. And it's like, if you were in a situation where you need 500 quid, like how easy would it be just to, and I think there's a disconnect, isn't there, between doing something in real life and doing it with your phone where like you could just do it and send it and there's

the money, but then it's like, it's gone and you can never bring it back and I think for and I you know I it sounds like I said that with judgment because I have I you know you can see what I have no judgment but I think the danger is I think for some girls it's absolutely great and they kill it and that you know every every downside of it like the preconceived notions that like, you know, they're a whore or they're promiscuous. It's water for ducks back. But for a lot of girls, they can't. And they find themselves on this site and they weren't expecting the pressure and they maybe succumb to pressure that they weren't going to. They go in there saying, I'm going to do X, Y, Z.

And they end up doing more. And then you have that feeling of regret and shame. And I think that's sad you know totally I felt like in the episode you did a really good job of meeting with like a multitude of people showing the difference like there were some people in this episode that had such a niche like way about going about it like whether it was the fitness woman that was doing fitness and then sometimes naked while doing fitness and it's like she kind of had her angle and she felt I think it appeared empowered because she was doing something she loves which is working out and then just monetizing the hell out of it then there were

some other girls that were kind of like I started and I just kind of started like with just underwear pictures and then and then it starts where what is the boundary and they've crossed it for themselves and then I'm sure it feels like there's no going back yeah did you feel like when you were around all these women did you feel like they appeared to be empowered by what they were doing I think it was a mix to be honest I think some very much yes and some not so much like you know I always it's my thing I went back to the grid girl thing it's like the whole feminist argument it's like who is anyone else to say what empowers someone if someone's telling me this makes me feel as an empowered woman

more power to you like get it like 100 but I think there was some that I met with and definitely over the other films like you know the porn episode and Sugar Babies. Again, I meet both sides. I meet people that I can see are really struggling with that lifestyle choice and others that are thriving. So I think it's just, it's not for everyone. And the thing that was going into it

and the whole, it's like a cheeky title, How to Get Filthy Rich. But the idea was to see, is it actually that easy? Because we all do it. I do that thing where I'm like or i'm doing something like oh i'm just gonna quit and do only fans and do something easy like and then you realize oh shit like it's not easy which i think is great especially for women that this show is coming out because i do think it's going to put a stop to that comment because i so agree with you people are like oh fuck this i'm

gonna quit my day job and go do only fans and. And it's like, I don't think people understand the gravity of that comment because of how much, not only goes into it actually physically, but also mentally seeing these women. There's just like a lot behind it that I think you did a great job of capturing. For me, it's like every job, right, you do in the world has like this added tax, right?

So if you're, know what i do i'm showing every part of my life has a tax you know instagram has an emotional tax it makes you feel sometimes i feel judged i feel stressed or if you work in this city and you're there like you know six days a week ten o'clock at night you don't see your kids that's a tax so does this like this is not does not come without the downside you know like the judgment and i think you know these sites and you know you're seeing cam girls episode as well it's like the the it is a hiding place for men as well to like express some pretty weird shit like and these girls have to read this stuff hear this stuff with no one to really help them like break down the terrible things they've either said to

them or they asked them to do right and some of the things that i heard were just absolutely like shocking like you know the fact they have to read these messages and then just get on with their day and how does that then affect their relationship with you know other straight men in their lives because what i think is so interesting is whole online sexual economy debate, we're all so focused on the girls. Like, the girls who are doing OnlyFans. Like, oh my God, they're the worst. But it's our dads, brothers, colleagues who are buying the shit.

No one's worried about them. They're the ones asking for them to do X, Y, stick this up your ass. They're not like these mythical creatures that come up from the sewers. They are the men in our lives. I love how you're saying that. As much as it may pain people, you're right's like it's true it's your dad it's your brother because the man doing it is someone's son is someone's dad is someone's husband you know what i mean we don't have a problem with them we have a problem with the girls providing the content

but we're talking about millions of pounds a year this isn't like a niche this is like the majority of men not all the majority it's really interesting talking about cam girls i was interested because i obviously haven't seen the episode but can you explain what a cam girl is and how it's different from participating on only fans so for me when we were sitting down going to make the show and we talked about what the different episodes would be i was like cam girls i think i don't know if you have it in the states like babe station you know the tv channel where they've got the phone and we talked about what the different episodes would be i was like cam girls i think i don't know if you have it in the states like babe station you know the tv you know the channel where they've got the phone and i was like is that even a thing anymore it felt very 90s like it's the

kind of thing that i would flick onto when i was younger and like the home telly and be like oh my god like so but it turns out it's still like big money industry and this is like you know we went i spent 24 hours at a studio where it's on the phones but it's also on like webcams so they kind of like they log on and they pay to be on like the stream and the girls there and then they can call the phone the girl will take the phone so it's like they can either do it from their home or in the studio but it's contained to like the site do you know what I mean yeah did you find that most of those women have OnlyFans or no a lot yeah not all but most because it's just a no-brainer but a lot of the girls who work in the site they maybe have OnlyFans and they just like kind of dip their toe in it because

they do the camming because they like the fact that they log on for like a camming shift for like five six hours and then they they go and they leave and it's done whereas like OnlyFans never leaves you alone. It's constantly, you know, it's on your phone. You never get a break. That's so interesting. So they find like doing the camming or going to a studio and being a cam girl. It's like that's work.

And then literally like clock off, go home. And they've got kids and normal lives and husbands. And they just leave that. And then the next day they go back and they go back to work. That makes sense. Because the OnlyFans episode really, like like again you guys have to go watch it because you feel how it's an every day every minute of your life thing where now i'm now i understand so i'm like why would a girl do cam girling if it's only fans you can do it from home

there is a boundary yeah do you know like which cam girls obviously we haven't seen the episode yet but like the idea of it like who would make the most money like what kind of version of camming in what sense like is there are there different things that girls do that you can make like a different tier in camming like it's inside one thing across all episodes you'll see is like this and i really want to sit down like with a clinical psychologist and pick this apart because it has to be a reason yep this feet thing right across every single episode there's this undercurrent about feet so the girls in the chemistry the ones who are like great at the feet chat who can like dangle the stiletto on their big toe like do all the they kill it because literally six out of ten

calls will be about feet what the fuck is up with men and feet? I don't know, but I need to get to the bottom of this. I do too. We should honestly call us like, I'm going to call my therapist right now and be like, hi, what the fuck is up?

There has to be like some connection. That's so interesting. Something like Freudian nightmare because these, all the way through. Yeah. Okay, you talk about sugar babies.

Mm-hmm. What was the biggest misconception you had about sugar babies that is always an exchange maybe for sex for money and i met girls you know people might roll their eyes and go oh bullshit no these girls are like honest with me like there is arrangements where it's not sexual it's just dinner like or it's just company or it's some of them it's not even in person it's just talking and he might you know pin them like 500 quid or whatever right so I thought who the hell is gonna give someone money do you know I mean for nothing yeah oh yeah I've heard of people also like I had a friend that did it and it was just to go to dinner and just to basically be

his date and I'm like eventually is it going to progress to sex eventually they they do kind of ask I think but like for a while you can kind of stay in that gray zone which again kind of reminds me of the only fans thing where like you can stay in this gray zone for a little bit of like I'm comfortable with this and then someone's going to ask and then you have to know like how to set that boundary for yourself 100% and I think one of the girls I've met um she you know she'd had this arrangement with a guy for like three four years you know she's never had sex with him and she said it's all about your approach like from day one you set that you it's the way you approach the situation that you approach that guy

and you let him know that and i think that's you know where experience age everything comes into it same with only fans i think you know you have to be a very strong person to be like this is my boundaries and i'm not gonna move whereas i think if you approached it and you're not really sure what you're gonna your angle is and it's easier for someone to maybe coerce you totally because you don't even know yourself but i think what did you find is the hardest thing about being a sugar baby? I think maybe just living in that limbo land. You know, it's like you don't have a boyfriend, but you're not single.

And they, essentially, they are the one handing out the money. So you have to kind of, you know, I guess, I mean, it depends how much money we're talking. You know, a lot of the girls, it's hard for them to have a normal job and be a sugar baby because some of these guys want them with them all the time and then you know I think some of the girls I spoke to it's like it's great if you've got a great thing going but if he just like drops you like that you can go from living this like unreal lifestyle that's where it's like being smart like you know getting the allowance banking the money whereas like I think if you're younger and just like living life and spending

and then he's just like, oh, bye. You could be like, I can't afford my apartment. I can't afford my car. It's a very fine line of like thriving and succeeding and using the system and kind of like doing your thing with it. But you have to know like this takes way more work than we give these women credit for. Oh, like they are straight up hustlers.

Like if the girls that do it right, it's like, it's an art form at the peak. Like, you know, like you say, it's like any relationship when you're young or like, you know, you're not thinking straight. You don't set your boundaries, your standards. So that means the standards and the, it's just all a mess.

Like, so it's like anything you have to go in and be like, this is what it is. This is what I want from you. This is what I'm going to give you it's like we literally we need someone to like that's done this to like create a crash course which I kind of think you're in a way this is like the beginning of it because by you peeling this layer back it's giving people kind of that like introduction of what the world will be if you're interested in it. And I think for a while there hasn't been that. So women are just blindly going into it because they're just have money on the mind,

which I so get who doesn't, but it's like, there's no idea of like how far it's going to go and what's going to happen. Cause I think what I love about this show is that it's like an immersive documentary, but it has heart and it has humor and we're not coming up from an angle. Whereas I think other shows that I've looked at these subjects are coming from documentary but it has heart and it has humor and we're not coming up from an angle whereas i think other shows that have looked at these subjects are coming from like a slightly judgmental it

feels kind of like seedy i don't think there's anything wrong with you know dating someone for like financial gain or you know life experience or you know whatever it may be for travel like what the hell you know if you're too consenting adults you're you're not hurting anyone what does it matter but I think like you say that young girls need to and I think this what this show is nice because it's very balanced we're not glorifying anything it's the girls are really honest they're like I make you know Bonnie she's like I'm making 250 grand a month my best month but it's a heavy load to carry like it's not just as easy as that you know totally I know I haven't watched it yet and we're all going to see it but you also

experienced the Pornhub world what was your approach for that episode were you nervous I was excited oh yeah I was excited I was like I actually think I say in the beginning of episodes like I've only seen one penis for the last couple of years I was like let's see it so I was excited. Oh, yes. I was excited. I was like, I actually think I say in the beginning of episodes, like, I've only seen one penis for the last couple of years. I was like, let's see it. So I was excited to, like, see some willies and, like, just be amongst it. And also just as someone that's like, you know, everyone's watched porn, but to actually see how it's made.

Yeah, how was that? What was that like? Like, I mean, obviously, I went to an orgy one time. I'm, like, giggling because it's, you know, obviously, I went to an orgy one time. I'm, like, giggling. Because it's, you know, when it's right there in the flesh. But it's just, it's all so different to how you imagine it to be. I can imagine. I learned, like, the cum shot, you know, on the thumbnails on the website,

that's, like, Gaviscon. Do you have Gaviscon? No. It's like a heartburn medication. They just throw it over the girl's face, not even semen. Stop. I swear, at the beginning of the shoot, they'll sit there and they pour like

this heartburn medication or something like goopy and they position it all perfectly and they do all the photos. Yeah, because I was thinking like, actually,

when you think about it now, it makes sense because like, who has like that much semen and also the positioning of it's always like perfect. Then they wipe it all off. Then they do,

then they'll do still shots. Then they'll plan still shots then they'll plan out like you're gonna be there doing doggy it's just mental like full production full production which i think is nice to hear and i'm glad that you're kind of like breaking down that wall again because i know when i was like i'm gonna get a facial from this guy's penis and he's gonna go all over my face and i remember the first time it happened it went right in my eye and i fully was like blackout like couldn't see like was just like fucked for the rest of the week and I'm like wait why does it look like this on porn because it doesn't actually fucking happen that doesn't happen like that

what why are people do you think still shooting for porn sites if only fans exist we had this kind of that was like a question that went throughout that film and ultimately is that there is still a demand for high production value porn people still like it you know only fans i think is like your impersonating intimacy you know it's that intimate thing the back and forth the messages you know giving someone that like personalized experience whereas porn is much more you know a fantasy it's costumes it might be in a style that someone you know like they do the sci-fi shit and whatever like it's a different it's a completely different thing but aren't women in porn not making as much oh sorry you meant the actors

no no that was actually oh yeah so a lot of them are doing both oh now but the thing is with the bigger porn stars they might have like really big contracts with like a Brazzers or you know digital playground or something and they're like on really good money so it's and I think you know some of them have like no only fans policy you know if you like you have that contract I know obviously that the money you can earn is a lot more in the states than it is in you know the UK in terms of porn and stuff but yeah the bigger porn stars i think they stick to their like it's like a trade isn't it like you know they it's like there's a skill they've you know and they have they make really good money so they all they have to do is go and maybe shoot two films a week and get like the big check whereas what they'd have to do in only fans to make the same would be way more laborious in

your episodes and through your experience like did you find any women struggling with knowing if they wanted to stay in porn or not? I met a girl who was, a girl, Alex, who was, she'd done OnlyFans and she was wanting to move into porn. And she, to me, was someone who seemed really unsure. It filled me with a lot of anxiety after I met her, actually. And she went and she did, I think, a handjob video or whatever. And she hated it.

And then she realised it wasn't for her. And I was like, thank God that you did that and not something else. So you could make that decision. I spoke to the girls who were regular porn stars. Scarlett I spoke to. A lot of the really professional shoots, they will have like a check sheet at the beginning. So they'll be like, they'll go through it, the stars.

It'll be like anal tech or strangling. She could be like, no, don't be shy. And they X and tick everything that's like a yes or a no. And then that's like the print, like no one strays from that. She said, don't touch my arsehole so he can't or vice. Do you know what I mean? But then she said she'll go to shoots where like they don't do the checklist and it's just a bit of a free for all.

So, you know, there is, you know, I think there is risk involved. I think that's why OnlyFans as well is appealing to a lot of sex workers because, you know, it takes away a lot of that risk, doesn't it, of having to interact with other people. Absolutely.

Yeah. Which episode was your favourite to create and why? I'm going to surprise everyone this, I think. But Cam Girls, I think, is my favorite episode. Purely just, it's a really hard one because I love them all. It's like my babies. But Cam Girls, the girls I met were just, I really, I don't know, I just connected with them. It was just so much heart and

they were so open with me and it was such a diverse like kind of range of girls who like go to this studio do this job which is just

so crazy to a lot of us like you know and then they go home and they're mothers or they've got other jobs and it's just like there's so much more than what people would

pigeonhole them as and I just loved it I loved being in the studio. I love being with the girls. What was the studio like? Are they in a room by themselves? It's like this big studio and it's like sectioned down all the way.

It's open, right? And each booth is like different colours or different themes. And the girls are all in there on the phone and the webcam. And so when you're on an evening while it's in there, it's just a room of like sex noises, dirty talk, like all all competing over each other but they say like they can hear each other a bit but it's not that loud but to me it was like how can you even think straight because it's like literally i'm talking like you know like when you go to a photo shoot and there's those polystyrene yes that's what's separating each thing and it was my head when i left that night was like

spinning i was like just listening to everything. The phones ringing. I answer the phones, this guy. And he's like panting down the phone. I was like, this is. Did you talk to someone? Yeah, I was like giving him all the chat. And then I just couldn't.

Give us a little preview. I was like, hey, baby, you horny. And then I don't know why I'm doing American accent. That's just what came out. I feel like if you're going to do a porn voice, it has to be American. Wait, really?

Yes. Oh my God, I didn't think about that. Because I just feel like most porn you watch is. Give me your best American. Hey baby, are you horny? Do you want to fuck?

Was that not like, Hey, Hey daddy. Hey daddy gang. Yeah. We're like getting so nasty. He's like, daddy gang.

That's really interesting too did you find a lot of these women in the cam world were like friends or did was it kind of like you know get out of there i think that's why i like that's why i kind of got emotionally involved with that place because they were like it's like a bit of a sorority vibe like they was all like and what made me feel nice is that and the thing which i think makes doing OnlyFans or coming from home really hard if they got a call and some guy asked them like to do some terrible thing you know if people call up and ask like disturbing things like will you pretend to be like my sister or my mum and I'm gonna rape you it's just horrendous and they have to like mentally like process the fact that that

is an actual human being out there in the world having these thoughts they then have each other to lean on they can be like I just had this call and they all can relate whereas you know other girls who are doing only fans and maybe their other girlfriends aren't doing only fans if they ring their friend who works like as a dental hygienist i'm like someone just asked me to stick a remote control on my ass like she's gonna be like can't relate like yeah like at work babe yeah well yeah i can't help you whereas i think it work, babe. At the desk. Gotta go to a meeting. I can't help you. Whereas I think for them, it's like being around other girls who are doing the same thing

and they can all relate to each other. That's amazing. And I think it's just cool to hear that because I can imagine at times the OnlyFans world can be a bit isolating and lonely because the perks of shooting at home, sure, are great. But then being alone,

you're like, what the fuck? And it's all about the numbers and it can be quite competitive, I think they're obsessing over yeah totally so you really immerse yourself in each of these episodes was there ever a specific moment where you felt uncomfortable do you know what it is what was hard for me it's like I'm open I'm pretty liberal like I you know this it's hard because there's stuff that I would do if I wasn't like live from love island because I'm I was trying to always walk the line of like I want to do this documentary I want to be immersive I want to get my hands dirty but I

also want people to like not get confused I don't want this to become about me so if I you know I was thinking only fans I want to post something more sexy to like see how that but then I'm thinking the only thing that will happen is then that photo of me will just get pulled out of there, put in British tabloids, out of context, and then it's not going to become about what it's about. So it was me trying to be really immersive without going to a point where people get distracted and they're just worried about what I'm doing. Oh my God, she's got a kit off. I'm sure when the show comes out, you know,

there's going to be, you know, I do this sex call and whatever and people are going to, you know, I was an extra in a porno and all this shit

and I love that but it's like, yeah, it was just trying to find the right. Right. We, in the porno, do you get naked?

No. Okay. You see, I maybe would have like got, you know, I wouldn't have like, went topless or something. yeah,

I don't know. It's like a camp for who I am now. Yeah, because it would have been, people would have been like oh you know she's just yeah and again it's almost like the whole thing i'm doing this documentary and i'm i'm wanting to like break down these walls of like stigma and the way we pigeonhole women and then i'm the i'm there it was like a head fuck because i'm like well i can't go in my underwear too many times and people be like well she's not really a presenter because she's constantly naked so it's like and I'm feeling the same

state with myself it's like a matrix yeah I when I was watching episode one and with the only fans there were when two of the girls were shooting on the side you made a comment and you're like oh my god I have this like I'm feeling like this maternal instinct towards these girls what why did you feel that I think I know the scene you're talking about just those two girls were so young and they you know I don't want to sound patronizing they probably like would think oh fuck off we're fine like mind your own business grandma like do you know what I mean when I was their age I would have been thinking I'm literally making money but I just think I just I saw especially more in one than the other I was like I just reminded me when I was her age

and I was so ambitious and reckless. And she might be way more mature than I am and she might do this for the next 10 years and smash it. And I hope that is the case. But you know when someone's a lot younger than you as a girl and I just looked to her. I don't know, I just felt she was talking, reading out some messages she'd had from guys

that were pretty hardcore, like really emotionless. And I just thought, I hope that you're okay. Do you know what I mean? I just, and that sounds really fucking patronizing, but that's me being really honest

of how I felt in that moment. I'm not, you know. I appreciate that. And no judgment. I just, it's like more like a big sister feeling. I wanted to be like. Yes.

I mean, I felt it while watching it. Because I was like, oh my God, like I just want to make sure because there maybe aren't guidelines. When that one girl mentioned like this guy like sent me my address and said, I know where you live. I was like, yeah, when it comes to safety of these women, that's where I get really nervous.

And I think that's something that's not talked about enough. It's like, sure, we can glamorize all of it that the media does, but this show is helping because you're hearing from their mouth, not other people that gossip of what their day-to-day is. But like you say, it's like taking out the shadows. If your friend wants to have a sugar daddy, fine, but she needs to feel like she can tell you where she's going rather than sulking off into the darkness

and not telling and putting themselves in danger and being judged yes if they feel like safe and it's it's accepted they can tell therefore i'm gonna drop my pin you can check that you know i'm safe because it's like a murky world it is which of the four ways selling essentially your body on the internet seemed like the healthiest and safest option oh god that's really hard because i feel like it's just down to the individual some people you know being a sugar baby just wouldn't work whereas you know other people being on i couldn't spend much time on my phone i hate how much time i spend on my phone as it is like doing instagram and stuff but i could not be that logged into a website you know so it's yeah i think it's person to person yeah that's interesting because it's like if you are a super outgoing person maybe

the sugar baby situation is more for your personality yeah whereas maybe if you're like more introverted or whatever like maybe only fans or that could not be the case. Like everyone's going to feel differently. If you want to be out and you want to travel and you want to be social, like being a sugar baby would be great or, you know, vice versa. I think, yeah. What? Okay. So now we're like wrapping up, like having this conversation. I really appreciate this series and what you're doing to kind of conclude in this conversation though like what advice would you give

to women after experiencing and watching all of this that are interested in getting into either camming or only fans or porn or sugar baby so i think as hard as it is like to block out the outside noise of like what other people think you should be doing. Because I always think when people say always something bad, like does it feel bad? If it makes you feel good, go for it. But think about it. Like don't like just sleep on it a little bit and also going into any of those areas of work

as hard as it may be to stick to them, I think try and go in with like your boundaries. This is what I'm going to do. You know, I always think with OnlyFans, one of the massive issues is like the content leaking if something which unfortunately at the moment the leaking is such a problem whatever you post nine times out of ten will be leaked so if you would just die if that was out and your family and friends saw it then maybe you don't post it yeah if you wouldn't if you could own it then do it I think it's just like yeah having your boundaries and what you can be happy with I love that because I feel like

the even just the first episode I was so interested and listening and really learning from it and there's so many great things that I can't even imagine the rest of the series like every single person listening we have to go watch it when it comes out because I feel like the boundary thing, you're right. That is it. It's like watching these girls starting on OnlyFans and the girls were like, I started posting this photo. But then when you, you're so right when you earlier said like, when someone offers you so much money to just quickly take a picture of your tits and your phone is in front of you, you never have to like interact and see the man. It's like it's a fake world almost in your mind.

So you really have to keep in mind of like, what did I come into this believing in for myself is right and how I'm going to be able to sleep at night feeling good. Yeah. And I appreciate you saying that. You're right. Like nine times out of 10, these photos will be on the internet. And if you are okay with that thrive bitch yeah but just know that line because yeah i don't think enough people talk about that no you know what i mean and i think you're right and i

think it's you know it's it's not about glorifying it or or condemning it it's just being real like yeah like we're not here to judge and we're not saying like everyone go sign up today like it's like it's happening in the world so we need to talk about it, especially because it's mostly women. But it's also, like, let's just have an honest conversation about it. It's like I would say, you know, about reality TV, when it's so easy for people to condemn it, it's like, no one's got a gun to anyone's head, right? So if you go into it with your eyes open, so if you are willing to go, you know, onto

a TV show and expose yourself to the world where i think about it like don't do you sleep on it and think of the pros and the cons make a list i mean it's easy for me so i'm really impulsive i literally make all my decisions like that but i mean yeah it'd be a nice idea to weigh everything up totally and i think and then i have one last question but i do think it was really cool because i was thinking about it when i was watching that first episode and i was like i feel like a really also good way for women before getting into it would be reaching out to some creators and being like hey I know you have no idea who I am yeah I'm thinking of starting an only fans do you have like five minutes of

your time to just chat because your show I just forgot one area that really freaks me out what is the referral thing so other content creators if they can get someone to sign up, they get like a bonus. Oh. So that was one area that I was a bit like, oh. So I think, yeah, if you can speak to someone you trust, but I do think there's a bit of a thing where like girls are recruiting other girls. It's like an ulterior motive.

Yeah. So that's the only thing, because they give that girl or boy right you know this boy's like you know like a bonus if they get some sign up so i think yes you just have to be really savvy okay so definitely don't reach out to anyone never mind just literally watch live's new show because it that is you're breaking it down and everyone has a different perspective last question okay what was your biggest takeaway from creating this series? I think I touched it briefly.

It's just interesting that we live in this world where all the obsession is on the women creating the content, but no one's talking about the people buying it. The reason OnlyFans is what it is is because all the men in our society, the demand. So, and not that there's anything wrong with that,

but I just think it's interesting. We're never looking at the people asking for, you know, whatever it is. We're always looking at the people providing it and, you know, and shaming them and looking down on them. But we don't worry about the fact that it's probably Bob from next door. Like he's the one asking for the feet video.

Do you know what I mean? Totally. We've got a long way to go to move that, the sexism and the stigma. I think, you know, I hope shows like this will break down boundaries and, you know, it kind of humanises these girls. I think it's very easy to dehumanize people that work in the sex industry and I think the online sexual economy is even more dehumanizing because we just see them as like robots online but these are real people with real lives with

families with partners whatever yeah and we they should be treated like that. I think that this show truly is breaking down a barrier of like showing the behind the scenes. And exactly what you just said, we are, all of us are essentially dehumanized because of social media in the world we live in. And this show is like, no, let's humanize these people. Let's go into their bedrooms. Let's see their lives. Let's see the cars they drive. Let's watch them through day to day. And it's, I and it's i think

it's amazing daddy gang you need to go watch it is going to be amazing i love you i'm so honored you're here this was so fun thank you so much amazing thank you for having me the amount of things that are said on love island that as someone from the united states i had to google furiously because i'm like what is she saying he's a melt what does a melt mean what is happening what is going on i'm googling like a freak and i just was obsessed i started speaking in the accent then it was awful then i had did move on but i need to go through some of these terms and ask you to explain them for me i hope i'm not down with the kids enough to actually get this i might be so okay you can start with okay what the fuck does a melt mean a melt like it so a drip do you say that in the states like with her with her. Just like, normally if you say it about a guy,

I'll go, it's got no backbone. They're just a drip, just like a wet rag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like we would say like a pushover, like weak. Yeah, or maybe it can be a guy or a girl, but a lot of times people say it about a boy. You know when they start to like a girl and they go soft, they go, oh, he's a melt.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that, you know, toxic masculinity thing of being like, if you're nice to a girl, you're a melt. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that, you know, toxic masculinity thing of being like, if you're nice to a girl, you're a male. That's what it is. Okay, that makes sense. Okay, what about he pied me off?

Like ghosted, like just done. Okay, but you guys say pied instead of ghosted. Well, we say ghosted, but pied is like, he ended it. He just broke up, yeah.

Got it. Okay, mugged off. The similar thing. Okay. Like mugged off would be more just like, yeah, a guy just kind of tosses you to the side, like, with not much explanation.

And if you were saying someone's attractive, you guys would say... He's fit. Yeah. I love that. And it has no, like, relation to their physical... Like, what would you call someone if you're like, oh, he's fucked a lot of girls?

Shagga? Shagga. Okay, we would say, I guess, like... I tried to do the accent! It came out so bad. It's like a mix between, like, Australian and, like, British. It's awful. Okay, so we would probably say, like, he's a player.

Or, like, a man whore. Yeah, we say fuck boy. But not... Yeah, we say fuck boy. But, yeah. He's a shagga, right? Shagga. Shagga.

Okay, what about... That's stunning, by the way. I want that as my ringtone. It's so bad. Okay, cracking on. What does that mean? Cracking on would normally mean, like, you meet a girl, you've exchanged numbers, you're going on a date.

You're cracking on. Yeah. We would say, like, vibing. Yeah. Got it. Okay. What is grafting? You know, I can't think of what the American term would be, but, like, working a girl.

Like, you're DMing you, asking you out, he's putting the work, he's got the hard hat on, the boots, the shovel. Like he is. He's in it to get you. Yeah, he's doing everything. Like, do you see that as a negative kind of? No. Like he's putting in work.

Yeah, like they need to graft, like for sure. Because I remember in the show it was like, oh, he's really grafting or he's grafting. He's grafting. Grafting. Grafting. Or grafting if you're in the North. Grafting.

We're grafting. Okay. That makes a lot of sense because it was so fun. I think that's also why I enjoyed because I was like learning so much about the term. Yeah. It was education mixed with a little psychotic behavior and it made for great TV.