Call Her Daddy - Rebel Wilson: Dating Fails to Finding the One (FBF)

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

Rebel Wilson joins Call Her Daddy to discuss her journey to love and motherhood. Rebel reflects back on high school and her time in the “popular” crowd…that lasted one day. She discusses how she actively avoided dating all through her 20’s and was often left feeling friendzoned. Rebel dishes on her “year of love” where she said yes to every date proposed to her which ended with a few hilarious stories. She cautions women to remove some of the pressure around finding “the one” and shares that she did not have her first relationship until she was 35. Rebel opens up about her current partner, Ramona, and the realization she wanted to date women. She discusses how her life has changed since the birth of baby Royce and what motherhood means to her. Fluid is available for download for iOS now and you can also sign up on the website at: www.fluiddatingapp.com

All right, this is Call Her Daddy with, oh, with me, Rebel Wilson, hi. And go. I almost, like, crushed my finger in that. I just want to let you know no one's ever done that. Oh, really? I always, when I see these, I always just want to go. Just a little clap, clap. B camera, B camera, main camera.

Rolling. Yeah. This episode is directed by Rebel Wilson and produced by, written by, starred in. What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Rebel Wilson, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Hi, Alex. Hi.

It's so great to be here. I'm so happy to have you here. I'm obsessed with your outfit. Oh, thanks. Well, it's actually my girlfriend designed it. It's so good. It's great to be here. I'm so happy to have you here. I'm obsessed with your outfit. Oh thanks. Well it's actually my girlfriend designed it. It's so good. It's so cozy. It's just so cozy. The best to like lounge in and that's what we're doing now. Guys the one day that I'm not wearing a fucking hoodie and sweatpants because I wanted to look professional for Rebel and she shows up in my exact uniform that I'm usually in. I love it. You are one of the funniest actresses of our time I'm obsessed

with you you're so talented thank this is great for my self-esteem already you're also a new mom to baby Royce yeah the name is amazing how did you pick this name I wanted something that started with R and then and I wanted something that I didn't think anybody else had um and then I came up with Royce I don't know maybe I saw a Rolls Royce or something there's some store here in West Hollywood called something like Royce interiors or something as well and I saw it a few times and I was like yeah Royce like that could be cool I don't know of anybody else who's called their baby that and so I was like we have like quite unique names in my family like my niece is called sovereign um and so i was just like oh yeah royce sounds like good and then i told my family they're like no that's a shit name like and my mom sends me like a list of 50

other names starting with r like raven or things other thing and i'm like no for some reason i just like royce so that's gonna be I love Royce but we call her little Roycey which is cute are you gonna get her Rolls Royce oh maybe maybe oh my god can you imagine that would be amazing your birth name is actually Melanie yes so at school like primary school and high school people knew me as Mel really. Wait. And so when and why did you decide to start going by rebel? So rebel was always my name. I was named after a little girl called rebel who sang at my parents' wedding.

She's like a little six year old little angel. And my, my mom loved her. Um, and cause my mom was a school teacher. So she was in my mom's class. And so I was named after her. And then my father said,

there's no way we're putting that on the birth certificate because I'm going to go to a Christian school so they're like they won't accept her if her name's Rebel on the birth certificate and whatever so I grew up like knowing my name was Rebel but on my birth certificate was Melanie Elizabeth but as soon as I was an adult I was like well now I'm totally going by rebel like and it kind of worked out like it obviously wasn't that I wanted a stage name or anything but it was like oh that's my name and that's what I'll start using as an as an adult and it just I don't know yeah but it's weird as some people only people that have known me since childhood would call me Mel sometimes and it freaks me out now but it is kind of cool you. You have like an alter ego. Yeah, kind of, like a Sasha Fierce situation. But I don't know, but it's not like my personality changed or anything.

It was just that I officially changed all the documents over. Love. Over to Rebel. And then it kind of worked out because I was only a law student at that time, so it worked out that I became an actress and have a cool name so you grew up in Sydney Australia What was your social life in high school like? Okay, so I started high school. We start in like when you're like 12 years old. Our high school, it's a little bit different.

We don't have middle school like here in America. And for some reason, I was in the cool group. So I start my new high school and I get in the cool group. And I was like, oh my God, oh oh my god like how did I even do this and then like the girls say um uh we're gonna go smoke behind the gym so are you coming or what and I'm like oh I don't smoke because I didn't know what else to say I didn't smoke and so they kicked me out of the group and then all the other little groups I went to an all-girls school and all the other groups had formed. So literally they'll sit in a little circle in a quadrangle

and a bit like Gossip Girl or whatever. But all the other groups, there was no room in the circles. They'd already made their own little circles. So everyone had a group except for me. And so I had to, my first year of high school, every day I went to the library, had my lunch just by myself because I all the other groups had formed and I had no group now and I mean but for three days I was living it up in the cool group being like oh they're like how did she get in the cool

group whatever and I was just like what you know and then but then I get kicked out and had zero friends for the whole year and then luckily the next year of high school, these other girls go, oh, meet us at the language labs, but at lunch. And I'm like, what are they going to try to beat me up or something? I was like, so scared. And then I come and then they had all these candies and stuff and they're like surprise. And it was my birthday. And I was like, how the hell they know that? And then they'd thrown me a surprise birthday party lunch as a way to say we would like you in our group and then that's how I got my first group of friends at high school the group thing was like the clicks like in mean girls

and stuff like it was very much also that's so much like a movie the fact that you're like because I didn't smoke yeah I was out in three days I was out and like ostracized and like had no friends. And yeah, it was terrible. But then in high school, like then I slowly started coming out of my shell more. I was pretty shy at the start of high school. And then started coming out of my shell and forcing myself to do stuff like public speaking and debating. And then I became weirdly the most popular girl at the school. So I went from I know what it's like to be so unpopular

that you literally have no friends and just are, like, so depressed and to being, like, the most popular. And my 16th, my sweet 16th birthday party had a busload of gatecrashers from a whole other school that, like, just heard the party was going to be super cool and, like, come. It was like the police had to come, like, four four times it was like one of those parties you see in movies this like turns into a total nightmare like for me it was because I thought the house was going to get burnt down or some shit and then but my 16th was just like the most popular thing so I

know what it's like to have be on both sides of the fence of popularity I can heavily relate to that because like when at my freshman year I had like cystic acne to the point where I did but your skin so oh my god perfect now oh well thank you and the only reason I ever accept a compliment for my skin is because I was like I've been through like four fucking rounds of Accutane but I remember the first year I was like I am like going through it I don't even want to be friends with myself because of how bad I look like holy fuck and then by junior year I was like I am like thriving Miss Popular like so I felt the difference yeah between lifestyles yeah and I know what it's like I really know what it's like to have zero friends and then I know what it's like to be the most popular and you have different problems depending on what's like but I had like this snaggle tooth and then I had this chain my mum

was like I had a tooth up in the roof of my mouth like oh yeah that's probably a great visual um and then anyway my mum decides she's gonna get in hospital they're going to put a chain up on the tooth to drag the chain to the teeth slowly to position. So I'm like got this chain inside my mouth. I'm like the dorkiest girl at the start of high school. I know. They could have just removed the tooth. You said a little chain. Yeah, and a little chain or just slowly drag it down and pull on my face.

Why do I feel like now that's trendy yeah oh it looks great yeah I mean I have phenomenal teeth now yeah oh you're like yeah I know now now I feel like that would be like a tiktok trend where like kids have like chains on their fucking teeth back in the day you're like getting bullied yeah but it was like oh it was painful like imagine a tooth being dragged all the way I can't slowly over 18 month period and then you know but how was your dating life in high school okay so i had one high school boyfriend oh god i hope people don't listen to this in australia um i had one little high school boyfriend called peter hi peter if you're listening and he went to the boys school next door and so how we met the boys was that we did theater

productions and that was our only interaction with the boys so I was like hell yeah I'm going I'm going to audition and going to be in the shows um and he was the stage manager at the the boys school and then so he was my little first little boyfriend and then what happened is I went on a family holiday to Disneyland and then he kissed one of my friends at a party. So I was like, God damn it. It's over with. Although I feel like I dumped him but I looked back at my diaries recently and apparently he kind of just said he wanted to be friends with me

and showed me that by kissing one of my other friends. But it was such a big deal at the time because by that point I was very popular and so all the girls had to come to me on the first day of school when I got back from school holidays and say oh Peter kiss Leanna and I was just like oh that's it then he's dumped and like I tried to be tough but I was like really upset by it and then I I think I wrote him a handwritten letter classic just to yeah because this was before cell phones or anything and then and then it was just over with and then I was like that's it boys are trouble like I'm never gonna like do it again I'm just gonna have a career and I I knew I always knew like I wanted to have a

great career and I wanted to live overseas and do all this stuff with my life and I was like yeah boys are a distraction like fuck them and I'm not be yeah and because yeah it wasn't a great first experience but weirdly like I never was upset with my friend that had kissed him oh that was your direct friend yeah she was in my group what did she have to say for herself? Well, she was very apologetic, said it just happened, but because she told me the full story and he didn't, I was like, I was always supportive of her and she was, she was a good friend.

I don't know how. Yeah. Well, I should have maybe been a little bit angry with her. Yeah. I still, I still, I actually weirdly just got her tickets to Disneyland when she came.

What? Yeah. Just recently. So wait, that's amazing. you're so close no she was a great girl I don't know how I blame him I I blame him too fuck you Peter um do you have I'm over it though yeah we're done like it's totally fine like we weren't just reading the diary entries like two days ago yeah we're over it did you have any childhood or teenage experiences that heavily impacted the way that you feel around the idea of like falling in love oh god probably the biggest ones was well my parents got um separated when i was 16 and and that was like awful, like just awful, just like parents fighting,

having to lose the house and move out. And my mum was a single mum with four kids at that point. So I was like my idea of marriage, it's not like I never saw any good marriages or happy people in relationships. So I think and then my mum was like, yeah, go out into the world and have a career. So like, don't, don't be like me. She had me at 24 and she was like, just get out there. So I basically put like blinders, like horse blinders on myself and was like, okay, I'm going to go to college. I'm going to have a career. I'm going to make a name for myself. I'm going to go to college. I'm going to have a career. I'm going to make a name for myself.

I'm going to make money. And I was like, no love, no relationships because it'll only bring me pain. And I know now that that's not true. But as a teenager witnessing like what happened to my parents, I was like, oh, I don't want that. So you feel like you kind of stayed to yourself for quite some time. Yeah. And you didn't have any urge to date. No.

So what happened is in my 20s, I never dated anybody. Not one single person. Not like people were lining up, trust me. They weren't like, I don't know, still a bit feral. So I literally went on not one date. It was only really when I became a successful Hollywood actress that I started kind of softening. But before that I was kind of like, I guess like Olympic athletes,

how they have this focus. Because to make it in the entertainment industry is really hard, especially when you're like no one from Australia and you come over here. And so I just had to have like these blinders on and was like I thought that if I was in a relationship or something it just wouldn't help me as a person to have a career now looking back in hindsight would you what advice would you give yourself in your 20s well the weird thing is it worked like but i was very lonely and again i look at my diaries and i'm like oh yes if only i could have love like like just like oh all these sad things i write in my bloody diary um i found them the other day

that's why i was like i love them and I was like holy shit like I was such a loser um but it's just like but then the thing is it worked like uh I mean I had to be very focused on my career to make it the odds of making it it's so small and and and it and it really did work and maybe if I'd found the love of my life at 25, maybe I wouldn't have ever come to Hollywood and I would never have made it in that bigger way. So it kind of worked, but I sacrificed and I didn't have really any social life or love life. Back then, what insecurities did you have within yourself if you were going to try to date? I'm like someone who's so like a body positive person but I think at the same time you can be so confident but you can also have like I don't know like not confidence that's a terrible way of explaining it but so like

I had a thing called PCOS so when I was in college I rapidly gained like um how many kilos, like almost 50 kilos, like say 100 pounds. And I rapidly gained it and then I was playing kind of like the fat funny friend as an actress. I was like never the love interest or never like and so I just kind of thought in my real life that I was a great friend to people and like if I'd meet guys or whatever I'd be you know like they'd think I was hilarious and like want to hang out as a friend but I I did always I think that oh well they'd never romantically like me because I was so overweight which is totally the

wrong way to think about it I just wasn't loving myself but I think it's hard to explain sometimes because I can be so body positive and confident in some ways but the one way where I wasn't was in my love life I just I don't know I was just like um uh people say there's a thing called chubby chases or whatever and like I never experienced anything like that being a bigger girl. I only experienced where people were like, oh, you know, oh, they just want to be my friend. Got it. Or I think I'd going on a date and then it was like, oh, no,

we just wanted to hang out because you're fun and cool. But, yeah. When I think about like Pitch pitch perfect in the movie you your character calls herself fat Amy yeah and you're like I'm gonna reclaim this name like if I say it no one else can did someone write that for you or did you come up with it so well weirdly I'd played a character called fat Mandy in Australia on a sketch show um where that character goes to fat camp essentially and he's like oh I thought this was about celebrating fatness I didn't know this camp was to lose weight like how shit is that

and so it was a real like body positive thing and then I got sent the script by Kay Cannon um got back in the day over Facebook and um and she sends me this script and goes I hope you don't not offended but the character's called Fat Amy and. And I looked at the script and I'm like, oh, what's she talking about? And then I read it and I was like, no, Fat Amy I think is like the best character in the whole movie. Like of course I'd love to play it. And so and it really didn't offend, I guess, no, it's not. It was like to me that was kind of distinctive about the character

and I love playing her like so much and like we had the best fun on Pitch Perfect movies and to me like it was just awesome to play her because she's just so confident and ballsy and I have like part of it is me. Like a lot of the Pitch Perfects not really acting. It's kind of just like us hanging out. But like but then there was another part of me who wasn't confident and definitely wasn't confident around guys and was like oh god did you struggle with

then your career of people like wanting to be like you're this character and you're like hey like I want to also work on myself or what like whatever it was it kind of I mean I did wait until Pitch Perfect seemed like it was over I couldn't I couldn't lose a massive amount of weight um because I was in the contracts for that movie you can't lose I think it's more than not more than 10 pounds or that's a real gain more than 10 pounds yeah you have to kind of stay at the way it's like in your contract um and but I'd been thinking for a while, like, oh, I wanted to get healthier. And I was stereotyped in playing that fat, funny friend, which is so hard because I love those roles.

Like, I mean, I love doing the roles. I love those characters. But then I did want to do more things. But I felt like, yeah, being the bigger girl you're just more more pigeonholed and then as I was approaching 40 I was like and I was like oh well and really it came down to it like a fertility thing I went to see a fertility doctor and he was like well you know you'd have a much better chance um with fertility if you were healthier and I was like oh god what's he talking about because like

my life was like a Lizzo song where I'm like you know bad bitch o'clock you know all that stuff like that was my life and then I've got this stranger saying yeah but you're not healthy look at you and and then it really hit me hard because I was living a fantastic bigger life and then didn't have any serious diseases or anything and I was like oh shit and then that made me kind of re-examine I was like well yeah if I think about it I mean doing things that aren't healthy and because I you know I didn't have a great love life so I was normally like at home at nights you know just eating ice cream eating chocolate or whatever um and which was comforting at the time but it wasn't like a great move

overall and so I just like slowly as I was turning 40 then um became became healthier so when was your first like real adult relationship and how did you find yourself like meeting this person and what was the vibe i think i'm a i'm a pretty late bloomer when it comes to love and and that's why like I try to tell young women out there like don't stress about it because you can be fine and have great sex and everything like it just might come later and that's that's all right like you don't need to be stressed out about it but yeah but I think my first real relationship was 35 which is really quite late I mean not in New York standards where the average age of marriage is like 40 but um but yeah but I was 35 and basically one of my other bellas Hannah May Lee

had set me up with this guy Pitch Perfect 2 had just come out um and I was just like and he was just so confident and and lovely And that was my first, like, serious relationship where, like, you know, he met my family and all that stuff. And it looked very serious at the time. And then, yeah, so it was, yeah, but that's late. I know a lot of people would say, like, well, I don't know, 17, 18. If you're stressed listening to this being like,

I haven't found the person for me like you're a testament to like don't stress out yeah if you're like early 20s I think you should just be like working on your skills yes like working on your business and just like not even worrying about it really because it will come I did read that you decided to say yes to every single date that you were asked on for a year. So basically, because I knew like I was not very experienced in dating. I didn't date at all in my 20s. So I think it was 2019 and I called it the year of love. And I was like, that's it.

I'm going to get on a dating app. I'm going to like anyone who asks me out. I'm going to like have to say yes. It doesn't matter who they are. Nobody, it's not like I advertise this so the people in prisons would be like writing to me. But I just, I told my friends and then I was like, okay, it's whoever and Carly, like we went to Aspen to kickstart it, right?

So the first day, January 1 January 1st four dates like back to back and we were like the concierge is probably like what the hell is going on in that hotel room in Aspen it's four dudes she's with and I was like that's how I wrote so we started off strong and I actually uh went on about probably dated about 50 people in that one year because I felt like I needed and it and it was true intentions like I wanted to find love it's not like I was trying to use people or anything um I was trying to find love and I I was trying to make up for lost time and and just go out on these dates so I got very good at going going on dates and you have some funny stories like people like because sometimes on the dating

apps you never know with people but you've got to give it a go and try totally totally yeah we okay that is fucking iconic because what is that jim carrey movie where he literally just it's like yes man oh yeah yes everything that's i'm picturing you being like so exhausted someone asks you on a date you're like yeah oh here we go again yes yeah okay what time what restaurant okay i mean because it's so so much effort dating it's you gotta look good you gotta get a blowout like um and you know and then because sometimes you know you go on the date and then you can tell within the first minute like this is not a thing but i'm such a polite person i'm gonna sit through the whole dinner for like two hours and be like, yeah, yeah.

Tell me more about your cat or something like, and I just like, because you're polite and they've put in the effort to come and you're like, and then you just go home sad. Cause it makes it worse. Right. You're like, Oh my God, I feel I've never felt more alone because I feel so disconnected from that man and his cat. Like, yeah, it just can't be me. I'd just rather be alone.

I'm assuming there were some wild ones. Well, OK, there was one guy apparently worked for some space program or something because he'll know who he is. And he was like, brought a rose and said, would you mind like putting this rose in your mouth? And like, and I'll dip you and would take a photo i was like oh what yeah sure like and then like never heard from him again and i was like did he just go on the date because he wanted to take a photo of dipping me kind of with a rose in my mouth it was so weird did the photo ever resurface oh no i don't yeah i don't know what he did with the photo i think i know what he did with the photo really

i don't little well every night i don't know he's come then he never contacted me ever again and i thought we had a nice lunch it's like a weird fetish yeah but weirdly like okay you've got to be safe when you're meeting randoms from the internet so i would always so i was lucky i was never in a sketchy situation um because i like always met it and like i would never go around to somebody's house or whatever like no way um but i was trying to think what well one where like you think the guy's normal height and then I met him and he was quite small and it just would have looked weird like it would have you know it wasn't for you yeah it wasn't it wasn't for me and so I was just like oh but I tried for the two hours to yeah have a nice conversation with him and then yeah but I just you know and then you just feel like you've wasted a whole night a whole Saturday night and you're like oh gosh that's what I feel like most people

when they're on the apps and when they're trying to get out into the dating world it's like how did you keep the mentality of like to go on to the well I just felt like this is one year yep you know and I've got to put in the effort and you just it's like a numbers game at times and you've got to get put yourself out there and get used to putting yourself out there and even though it's hard like it's annoyingly hard I was like oh god it's much easier to stay at home on the couch and um eat takeaway but I was like nah okay I'm doing it for this year and I'm focused on it and I did meet some awesome people do you remember what like the best date was where you were like okay that was like fucking normal

like thank god uh I'm trying to think there were there's this lovely guy called Chris who I dated from Raya the dating app and he was in the music industry but was just like a really nice guy, loving guy. And then just how he kissed me after the first date. And I was just like, oh, like it was so nice. Yeah, it was so nice. And he was just a gentleman and like, yeah. And so that, and I did end up dating him for a few months. Yeah.

Do you know what's funny though? I remember going on a series of dates and always wondering though, like, do I really like him or did he just come right after a really bad one? And so now I'm like, Oh, he's doing bare minimum. He like opened the door and like, I'm like, this is, this is right. This is a good vibe. From all that experience, you kind of learned what you like and what you don't like and that was something i didn't have from going to an all-girls school and then not

dating what did you learn so i mean well like that thing about the bare minimum i've seen a lot of girls put up with the bare minimum and and settle for dudes that are not like quite giving them a lot like it's not a fair deal uh you know in a way and so um then there was this one guy and then i don't know i took him to like a rant la rams game like some nice dates and then then i was noticed he's not setting up any of the dates it's like me inviting him to stuff all the time i was like you know what I don't like that he's not putting in the effort that's it and then I dumped him and then he was quite shocked uh quite a good looking guy and then I was like well you didn't put in the effort and if you're not and and I but I would never have known that had you not yeah yeah had I not gone on all these dates and seen how you know

yeah people treat you and seen what I liked and didn't like when you look back what do you feel like you like really learned about yourself throughout that time even though it was I called it year of love and uh it was really about me finding like my self-worth through it even though I thought it was about finding a husband at that time, I was like, oh, okay, this is what it's about. It wasn't really about that. It was really about self-worth and knowing that I was lovable and finding that out. And I know I was like a big successful movie star,

but you still struggle with like, oh, well, maybe I just meant to be people's friends all my life or, you know, never supposed to find that one person and that connection that's amazing did you ever struggle with that of wondering if the person was like in it for the wrong reasons of like they're with me because i'm famous or i'm funny yeah once i became like pretty internationally famous from pitch perfect really when i was 32 like i did then start to you do for a hot second go but then I had the opposite of a guy who came to a premiere and had a panic attack because of the kind of attention.

And I had the opposite. So where the fame was a hindrance to him wanting to date me. But the majority of the time you find dudes would kind of like it. Right. The guy with the panic attack, you're like, love you let's keep you around yeah oh i was i i wanted to date him more after that like that was the sexiest panic attack i've ever seen on someone oh he was so cute but it wasn't meant to be what is the hardest breakup that you've ever been through and how did you come out of it oh do you know what's weird I'm I'm the one that breaks up with people I've not been broken up I

know I've not been like apart from that high school thing which was a bit gray area yeah apart from that oh wait no there was one person There was one person who said they didn't want a relationship with me and they, like, crushed me because we were, like, texting and messaging for ages, for, like, months and months. And then they go, no, they have to focus on their work and not on me and can't have a relationship. And, yes, that that time I can't believe I forgot about that were you completely blindsided yeah because you know if you're messaging someone

every day like multiple times a day and stuff you you think there's something there oh yeah but then when we're in the same city and then they're like nah and then I was thinking well why are they messaging me all the time um yeah yeah no that that one actually but that wasn't a I wasn't in a relationship it was just communicating with texting relationships yeah it can be completely addicting where it's like your safe space and like but it's also really detrimental sometimes because it's not real you can have a complete separate life and no one know who you're texting and yeah and it was like this thing I had in my mind and I was like thinking oh yeah well when we do get together then it's going to be this whole thing because we

know each other so well from the texting and you know voice messaging and everything I love a good voice message I love that I do like five minutes soliloquies on the phone all the time to you know so it's just like i i felt like there was something that when i asked my friend matthew he goes oh you know you were thinking of the castle when you hadn't even bought the land yet and and i was like i was like yeah you're right you're right i was thinking ahead thinking this was going to be something and then yeah and then i was i was like yeah you're right you're right I was thinking ahead thinking this was going to be something and then yeah and then I was I was let down but that was that hurt that really um and as a person in the public eyes I'm not going to say who it was but like I was like

yeah so I was just like oh but you know I was investing a lot texting every day but and correct me if I'm wrong you probably never did that type of situation again right where you was all texting well now i'd never some people call it emotional masturbating or something where you like you if you meet somebody and then you're like oh my god okay our kids would look like this and we could live here and i could yeah i'd give up parts of my career to for them and like you you think you've pictured this whole future. And you're not even dating. And you haven't even, yeah, like you haven't even had a relationship yet.

Emotional masturbating. Yeah, that's what I've heard it's called. Oh, I'm going to use that all the time now. I was like, oh yeah, it's going to be great. I was going to have this life with this person. And he's like, Rebel, we haven't even like had sex. Yeah, yeah. I don't even see you.

I won't take you out in public. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I don't even see you. I won't take you out in public. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So daddy gang listening. Remember if you are like in the world of texting. You have to meet the person. And that's why when I met my current girlfriend, Ramona,

we started with texting and talking for two weeks before we met in person. But I was like, fuck this. I'm getting on a plane. I'm going to meet her because I'm not going to get into another situation of you know texting yeah let's talk about your relationship because that was my next question like so you how did you meet a mutual friend called Hugh set us up he'd known me for like eight years and her for like five years and but we'd never met weirdly um and and he was just like I was having all these problems with guys and he was like, maybe you should just date Ramona.

And I was like, oh, who's this Ramona? And then he like introduced us, but we had this like immediate connection on like the voice texts. Like I heard her voice and I was like, oh, yeah, that's sexy. But then I was like, okay, I'm not going to make the same mistake. I'm going to go and meet her. And I flew from Australia just to meet her. And to confirm, was this your first relationship with a woman

to confirm was this your first relationship with a woman uh yes so were you surprised that you were like falling for a woman um well there were signs when i look back at back at things there was definitely signs i i thought i was straight ish like i didn't think i was 100 straight but i didn't know how to label that um and and especially on the dating apps and stuff like where they're like oh you have to tick what you are or something and i didn't like that right um so so like there were definitely signs and i'd kissed a woman in a film a lovely french actress charlotte gainsburg who's so classy in french i'd kissed her about six months earlier and that was i see it that

there's like an opening of we've had a few friends who have kissed women in tv shows or movies and then kind of went into a same-sex relationship because i'm interested no like after that film moment where you were like yeah huh you just didn't do anything about it just was like oh it wasn't such a big deal i was like oh well I just kissed a woman and it's not even that big of a deal. Right. Whereas I guess when I grew up in a very Christian environment, it would have been a huge deal in the high school to say you were also attracted to women. Totally.

Yeah. So it was just a part of my personality I never quite explored. Yeah. And then, yeah, and then it kind of I think having a few little things happen and then meeting Ramona I was just open to it I was still a bit scared like because it was different to dating guys and and but then it was just like oh she was just so awesome and and we just had such a good deep deep connection, like right from the get go. And so I was like, oh, see it all. And then it felt all.

Yeah, it felt right. So how did you navigate because you're such a public figure? Like, how did you navigate coming out publicly? Well, like it wasn't something we hid. Like I remember we went to the Vanity Fair Oscars party and stuff together. And and it was like it wasn't a big deal i didn't think like in this day and age you have to like come out or anything i didn't really shouldn't have to no and so i so it was like we weren't hiding it we were just slowly telling people um and our

families and stuff and and i wanted to make sure it was a really real thing before i told certain people and then um so yeah but then this journalist threatened to out us in Australia and so I had to do an Instagram post to make it because I didn't want him to it's not his story to tell it's mine and so I was like well screw you I'm just gonna put it on the internet then um which was probably I was probably close to doing it anyway but it just kind of sped it up. And I remember my mom had to go around to my grandparents' house in the middle of the night to tell them so that they didn't find out on Instagram

because they would have felt out of the loop. And I got two grandparents in their 90s. And so that was pretty funny in hindsight. Grandma and grandpa promised her in the loop, but the psycho reporter over here is about to drop a bombshell. So let me tell you. Yeah. So let me tell you, I'm dating a woman and her name is Ramona. They love her now. Like they like, yeah, I was going to ask coming from like a, you know, Christian family, like how did your parents and your family handle it? My family was just so amazing. It was incredible.

It was like, and I go, mom, you remember Ramona you've heard on the phone she's like yeah i go i'm dating her and she's like oh and ramona's a woman i'm like yeah and you're dating her and i go yeah she's like oh that's great darling like literally not a second of um i don't know i didn't you don't know sometimes you can see your parents are cool with gay people and whatever but you don't know until you actually tell them as the daughter oh i am now in a same sex relationship you don't know how they're going to react and but it was nothing oh my god my family was so supportive ramona's family they're a bit even more they come from like eastern european countries so they're not as accepting but hopefully it'll yeah it'll turn around so you know but my family was like they were so awesome do you have advice

for maybe people that are not in the industry that are wanting to come out to their families and like don't know how they're going to react but like first of all like i i mean i was like a 42 year old woman and and i am very successful and a boss bitch in so many ways. And so it's hard. Like it's awkward and you've got to have these conversations and not just once. Like often on multiple occasions I first sat down my sisters and I'm like, guys, I have something to tell you.

Come in this bedroom now. And they come in because they come over for the super bowl and then i was like so you're meeting somebody tomorrow ramona and i'm dating her blah blah it's like but like because that was they were the first people of family members i told and god it was awkward like and luckily they just said oh that's great you know like they didn't care um but you feel like it's such a big deal. And I don't know why it's because it's not like with straight people, they have to talk about their sexuality or whatever.

And like I never, when I was dating guys, never had to have that conversation like, hey, guys, I'm dating this guy. And, yeah, so it was just, I don't know know like it's I I really I understand how how hard it is for people and and especially if you come from a conservative family like I have like how hard it is to to do it but I was met with nothing but love and positivity by it so I was like oh and it was so nice like it was so so nice and I think the best thing is just to live your authentic life and, like, you know, I do see people in the industry, you know, hiding who they are in public and stuff. And I just was like the moment I met Ramona and I knew it was a real thing

and we were slowly telling people. But, yeah, that whole – yeah, I just didn't want to hide it. I thought, oh, God, it's 20 20 22 now like you know you can just be whoever when you look at this relationship with Ramona like how is this relationship to you who you are in it what it means to you different from like all the past dating experiences relationships that you've had it was from like dating all these dudes and then I would always be like complaining like oh well that dude like is not romantic and then Ramona from our first ever Valentine's Day I mean she gives gave me this little um bracelet that's got two hearts to

signify her and my heart very little thing from Tiffany's and then she made me like wait in one room while she decorated the whole house and like she had a whole menu of activities for Valentine's Day like I've never had that like a whole menu of like activities and things and she brought all the decorations like it was the most romantic thing ever and I and I was always saying with dudes oh they're not romantic like I put in effort and and try to do nice things and they never do nice things and then he was somebody that just like blew me away with how thoughtful and kind she was um and and caring and I was like it was insane it was like the best valentine's day I've ever had that's amazing were you in the process of having a baby before you met Ramona and like

what was that conversation like to start a family together so I'd already been doing the fertility stuff um and and I'd already had the surrogates um and so but I didn't want to because I'd had an experience with uh where it didn't it didn't work out and we had a miscarriage with the first surrogate and so the second one I wanted to wait till like the first trimester was over but this was like literally a few months into dating Ramona and I have to say oh god I'm having a baby um and I know this is something that you didn't know um and so if it's too much for you and you want to leave me like I totally understand like you kind of said it with a sad face on like if you want to leave me like you can and she was just so great about it and was like oh my god like I adore you and I'm gonna adore your baby probably even more and so she was so great I wonder whether it was a dude if they would have been that accepting of a child that

wasn't their biological child and I do think god maybe it was fate and I was meant to meet her then and um and then Ramona was right there at the birth of the baby she wasn't originally supposed to um it was just going to be me in the room and then we're like oh well Ramona's here like oh yeah okay come and we watched the baby pop out together like how has motherhood changed you personally a lot like it changes your life um and but i feel like i was in such a place like ready and uh and i've been trying for a few years to have a baby and so like she's just my little miracle little racy and she's just so cute but it's so hard like to all the moms out there watching like it is so hard I like yesterday I don't think I put on clothes till 4 p.m it's just in my nightgown walking around with the baby

like like I get so feral on some days I mean obviously I'm put together today because I've come to talk to you but I was like it's it's really hard like it it's hard. I have to probably be more discerning about what jobs I take now. But I was so in a place, I was so ready and so stable, have such a good life that I'm ready to like give a lot to my child now. And it's such a blessing, but it's so hard. Totally. How has your relationship between you and Ramona changed since having this child i think it's

like only gotten stronger we're like such a team and like i think it's just made me and ramona like an instant family and yeah yeah but we'd we'd been dating for like almost a year by the time rossi arrived let's talk about your new dating app fluid okay why did you start this what has your like experience been with apps in the past tell me about it um well like i've had a bit of experience with dating apps because i was on raya but then i was like what if there's somebody out there like me that doesn't quite have a label on their sexuality um because it was weird when at one point i went on Raya and ticked the box for interested in women as well. It felt like because you tick interested in men, interested in women,

and I was like it just felt weird to have to label myself or categorise myself. So I was like, well, what if there was a dating app that didn't have to do that? And then there's so many studies that like there was one study in 2020 with Gen Z saying that 48% of people in Gen Z identify as being sexually fluid. And I was like, okay, it's got to be, I'm going to like create an app with my friends, call it fluid. And it's where you don't have to categorize or describe either yourself or what you're interested in.

The app just learns by how you vibe with people and what you like, you know, the profiles you like and stuff, and it will learn kind of what your preferences are without you having to say, oh, I'm bisexual, I'm pansexual, I'm straight, I'm this. You don't have to say. It's just you're open to love and you can get on there without any labels or judgment and, like, yeah, find a match.

So when can we download? It's cutting edge, guys. It's cutting edge. Cutting edge. And you can download it Valentine's Day. That's perfect. Because it's the day of love. It's the day of love.

Yeah. And normally I was the kind of person who was like so sad on Valentine's Day. I'm going, oh, I have no love. I buy myself flowers flowers i did that in high school once i bought myself like you know with an anonymous card and then i walked around all the other girls with my bunch of flowers going oh somebody's like really attracted to me um like an idiot um i love it but but i guess you know i'm in such an awesome place now and and so the creating fluid was just like to create something that I didn't feel existed

and to help other people find love in however form that will be, which is awesome. I have one more question. Okay, yeah. Okay, so I had Adam Devine on last week. Oh, yeah, my work husband. Oh, last week? Yes, last week. And so I asked him, I want you want you if you can to impersonate rebel

and then i'm gonna have her impersonate you oh that's so hard i feel like she's just gonna be like i'm out of just with like weird energy just bouncing all over the place okay i got it okay hello it's sort of british hello it's me rebel wilson i'm the lead singer of the beatles i can't do it alex i can't do it it's so good it's so good i literally i was trying to do it earlier and i was like, that's why she's iconic. I can't do it. Hello. I'm Rebel Wilson. I'm the, uh, um,

I play bass in Oasis and she's Australian. She's not even from England, but I don't know how to do English. Cause I can't do Australian. He was struggling so hard. He's like, fuck, like, why can I not get this?

I had to play it. I'm really hard to impersonate had to play it i'm really hard to impersonate so hard i'm really hard no one can do they tried to do me once on snl and they're like not my voice is really hard to do which is great i mean you're very unique there you go do you think you could do an impersonation of adam he's like adam just does all these faces like, I like that. Like that's my impersonation of Adam. Like. It is it.

And then he does these dance moves all the time. He does this a lot. And he does the man splits, which are like he's freakily flexible and he does the splits. But his voice, I don't know. Hi, guys. No. I sound like a south park character hey guys um yeah he's but he normally does these faces and he does this a lot

like that he does that it's so accurate yeah um but yeah i call adam my work husband because we work together on so many things. And he's just the cutest. So good. Rebel, thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. It is such a pleasure. Wait, don't you feel like Raya i used to be on it raya is so interesting to me because i when i was living in new york i used to be on it yeah and i would be swiping around and it was like new zealand england california and it was like i'm i can't go on my first fucking date to australia no although like ben looked beautiful and it looked like it could be promising.

Wait, I think I went out with an Australian guy called Ben. Was he like super hot? It's probably the same guy. We have totally dated the same guy as Rebel. you you