Call Her Daddy - Reneé Rapp: At Least I'm Hot

Episode Date: August 6, 2025

Join Alex in the studio for a conversation with Reneé Rapp. Reneé gushes about her girlfriend, shits on straight men and sends some wild texts to celebrities. Enjoy!

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Renee Rapp, welcome back to Call Her Daddy. Thank you. It has been 582 days since you last sat with me on this show. Has it actually? I had someone else do the math, so like... Oh my God, amazing.

But I think it's important to highlight. No, I believe it. 582 days since I last saw you, right? I know. I haven't seen you since then. that's so inappropriate i just watch you through the internet me too i'm just like go girl go no i'm like you're getting married so am i'm like this is awesome no i was getting married while i think while you were going through a breakup maybe yeah no needed that perfect needed needed needed i'm like things are

gonna work out right nope um how would you describe that version of yourself back then in three words oh my god i was so eager i was so eager i was so um I really, really, really wanted every... Okay, this is not three words. I really wanted everyone to like me so badly. And I also was just... I think I was just so green. I was so green.

I just like was like... I think what people had perceived of me like not caring or not giving a fuck was actually just me being so absolutely thrilled. And I was like, ah! Everything is amazing. is awesome and then like reality kind of sets in and you're like wait this shit kind of sucks you're

like wait life kind of hits you in the ass dude it's crazy even hearing you say that because i remember our interview like i felt your excitement but i also could feel you understandably going through that hard moment where you're like i want to be taken seriously as a singer but everyone knows me as a fucking actress and like how do i bridge this gap and so it was like this energy that you were trying to shift which is fucking hard to do so hard and also like I I think there's it which you will understand this 100% there's such an adjustment to what a pick me thing to say but there's such an adjustment to like having cameras on on you in your conversations and in your like personal life in a way it just like it just inherently is an adjustment like um you don't because you

I don't know. I don't know. You tell me how you feel about this, but I was like, I am truly just doing what I would be doing and talking how I would be talking except for being filmed or doing something or putting it out there,

putting it in a song, putting it in whatever. And then to like see it back is really kind of confusing because then you start to perceive yourself in a way that like other people perceive you, however you'll never be able to see yourself how other people see you.

I, you know? I relate 100%. Because this isn't natural. Right. We're going to talk differently, understandably, if we're at my fucking house with no cameras on. Completely. Not that we're being fake. It's just different.

No, I'm just like, I'm getting canceled if we're talking without cameras on. Do you know what I'm saying? 100%. How much media training have you gotten since I last saw you? No, none. I feel like people have tried. I feel like it's, it's, you know, I had, I will never forget. When I live in my first house that I lived in L.A. I lived in Burbank. And I was like, oh my God, I have like a home. I was, I was renting, but it was like a, it felt like my home, which like it is, but I only lived in an apartment. So I was like, oh my God, I'm like a homeowner. And I was. And I was like, I was sat on the phone with like a publicist from maybe the PR company I was working with at the time. I honestly don't remember.

and I remember like understanding that they were trying to kind of coach me into like what to say and what not to say and it was kind of like the second I realized it I like totally just like tapped out and I was like oh I'm really uninterested in hearing this not that they were doing anything wrong or their intentions were wrong I was just like I'm not going to regurgitate what you just said to me but I feel like that's like a lot of times the turning point for artists, which is not their fault, but you get all these people in your ear. And then you're like, oh, is this what it takes to make it? Like, is this the steps I need to take in order to be liked and in order to become like one of the biggest stars in the world?

And the fact that that moment, probably one of the biggest first moments where people were trying to shape you into this. The person, you're like, no. I was just like, wait, like, I understand, but that's not what I will be doing. But I think that's why people are, loving you because you're very unfiltered um you talk about how you like dress kind of according to how gay you're feeling correct talk to me about how you pick this outfit um today this outfit is coming from probably like a six and a half i would say on a scale of zero to gay and i don't know i like recently i've been wearing heels i used to never wear heels and now i love a heel now i'm like give me some fucking height i don't know we get an email and your team is like we have like 10 plus

people we're going to bring. Right. Classic Renee entourage. Of course. When and where's last time you went somewhere alone? Okay. I was, you have to go here alone. Okay.

Well, I didn't go alone. I rode in the car with people, but then I had to go alone. Where? The last thing was the Academy Gala. And I was so fucking freaked out because it was like I am literally going to split myself vagina to tip of head. I was like, this is going to be so terrible, but I made it. And I was, like, stood, like, in the, like, carpet line. And everybody, of course, is, like, chit-chatting. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm just going to end it all right now. This is just the

worst. And then I just spent the whole time on the phone because I was way too anxious and I got nervous, you know, I think people perceive me as being very confident and hanging out and, like, can talk to anybody. Literally not at all. I'm, like, shaking like, a whore in church. and that's the last time you ever went anywhere alone ever again in your life. I said Regina George died. No, and that's when Regina George died. I like, it's so, it's like, it was the only thing I could talk about for the first like fucking 45 minutes being inside.

Like, I swear to God, I, like, every single person that I saw, I was like, oh my God, like, how are you? I had to come here by myself. And they're like, yeah, so did I. And I was like, woo, you okay? And they're like, yeah, like, it's definitely weird. But like, I'm okay. They're like, it's like an hour ago.

this point and I was like yeah no totally I'm over it you get home you're stopping no I'm like having a fucking panic attack shaking no amount of a beta blocker could have prepared me for that nothing okay do you remember who you brought to the studio two years ago I brought I brought I brought a girlfriend of mine two years ago and when I was thinking about it yeah I'm pretty sure there was like you were not publicly outfully yet with her and people saw her in the back of some of our videos we took together. Yes. And it was like a light, soft launch where people were like, wait, it's definitely her with her.

Like, oh my gosh, they're definitely together. Yes, they, yes. And it was so crazy because like seeing you basically two years later, that moment, I remember how like giddy in love you were. Sorry, is your girlfriend like in the green room? No, she's, she's, she's a second we're getting to you. She's got a sprained ankle at home. Perfect.

She's a mobile actually. I hid her crutches, so she won't be leaving the house. You're like, you are not leaving. sit down especially you're not coming to call her daddy yeah like hang on i remember you were like giddy and in love and it was like the beginning stages absolutely puppy love it was very cute absolutely talk to me about what happened i ended up after that kind of year of my life just being like i am really unhappy and i think that first of all i do believe that everything serves its purpose yeah i like fully believe every relationship every

friendship every like i'm a big like everything happens for a reason all good i think that there were like a lot of people in my life particularly in that year and i think also kind of when you're like coming up and starting to like be you know perceived by larger amounts of people do more things that it you know is exciting your job can kind of become you will understand this deeply. Your job becomes a playground to everybody else. And for you, it's your work. And don't get me wrong, there are parts of it that are so fucking exciting and we're so fortunate to work in something that can be like so jokes and so fucking fun. But my whole life kind of became a playground for a lot of people. And I stopped seeing my friends. I stopped, I stopped having fun. I stopped having fun.

And I was like, damn, I have to make, like, a lot of, like, massive life changes. And so fall of, almost fall of 2023, like, really late summer, I started to, like, I crashed out. And I was like, yo, I have to be boundaryed in some way in my life. Like, I have to start protecting myself from being used. I have to start protecting myself from, like, overexposing myself. I have to stop, like, letting people bring their friends' aunts, best friends, like side fucking bitch to the concert. Like, why am I doing that?

Like, I was just like, damn, like, I just realized that I became a jungle gym for everybody to have fun. And that is so isolating and sad. It sucked. it sucked so bad and did you break up with them or did they break up with you it was like pretty amicable it was pretty amicable so is this not the relationship that you wrote about in this new album miss rennie it is but it's on certain only on certain songs this album is like a conglomerate of my current relationship my past relationship the relationship that i was in before that that i don't even know if you could consider a relationship about like some of my friends it's like I was actually we were

talking about this the other day and I was like going through it and I was like wow like there are so many different people or I guess experiences on this album that are even like half and half put together in some songs no matter how like shit that relationship was um I remember just being like Damn. That's a place I never want to get to again. Okay. Yeah. Let's put how much you can filter yourself to the test. Okay, go. This game is called confess or text. Okay. This is how it works. I'm going to ask you a juicy borderline inappropriate, like slightly like insane question. Okay. Just like a little like, you know, call our daddy.

Totally fine. If you want to answer it, great. We go to the next question. Okay. If you don't want to answer it, you can pass and you have to text. Oh, my God. Wait, thank you bowl. Don't go in the bulls yet. Oh, don't touch them. Okay. You're already about to start going to. I was like, wait. No, no, no. You're like, is that candy? No, I'm like, it's my fish bowl. Okay. So if you say, no, I don't want to answer that. Okay. You then have to. go into the bowls and you're going to text someone. One, you're going to find out who you're texting. Okay. The second bowl, you're going to find out what you're texting them. Okay. What is your weirdest kink? Ice. What? Ice. Ice. Like ice. Are you running to the kitchen

grabbing ice? Fuck yeah. Perfect. Absolutely. Who is the rudest person you've ever met at an award show? Oh my God. I'm going to text. Oh, I just remember. Okay. Who do I text? Wait, go to your fish bowl. Okay. what is they okay it's Tina Faye I have to text Tina Faye okay and now go to the other fishbowl she's actually gonna love this I know she's gonna love this

I know she'll love it okay I hit someone on my way to call her daddy and I just drove off do you think it's fine I think that's good for Tina right love I feel like she'll love that I'm gonna say hey babe question I hit someone on my way to call her daddy and just drove off do you think it's fine

or what do you think I should do I trust you She's gonna be like What's your problem Perfect Okay so we'll leave that there for Tina Okay next question

Okay What is the worst thought That you've ever had during sex Oh my God why are you ugly You know when you get too close To someone's face And you're realizing that you're so uninterested And you're like whoa you just got ugly

I was thinking like that my answer is probably like I don't want to be here of course naturally which is like naturally I mean I spent years of my life having sex with men so that is not foreign to me um or like why do you have that like what is that like what are you doing literally get that if that looks me in the fucking eye one more time I'm going to shoot you which celebrity has tried to flirt with you that was clearly in a relationship okay I'm going to text about fucking face I'm going to text. I'm going to text. Okay.

All right. This is Kara. I have to text Kara something. Wait, that's so funny. Okay. Okay, I have to text Kara. By the way, a new song on my album is about you. Dot, dot, dot.

And I was, okay, she'll love this. Okay, this is going to be so hilarious because my last text of Kara was, I literally hate being alive. I'm so mad all the time and so sad. I hate being around people. Are you doing okay? I feel so depressed. Did she answer?

She sent me a slew of the most... Oh, I thought she left her in red. I was like, holy... Imagine. She's like, fuck you bitch. No, she sent me a slew of the most, like, inspirational best text. This bitch is like my sister. So, but I haven't responded to those because she sent them since I got here.

Wait, so you sent these today? Yeah, of course. Not doing well. I just won't be responding to all of the beauty and wisdom that my dear friend has just texted me. I'm saying, by the way, a new song on my album is about you. I'm going to put a winky face. she's going to freak out right she's going to be like do you not care about everything supportive I just texted you she's like I love you I'm here for you she's like do you still want to die

and you're like no no no I'm alive now I'm alive now I'm alive now okay okay perfect okay next have you have you ever made a sex tape yes what has been your biggest crash out two days ago or this morning this morning tomorrow really all the time all the time I'm constantly in a state of crashing out Which older celebrities have made you hate old people? She's going to text. Oh, I'm going to text because I don't want you bitches coming for me. Because I don't like y'all, so I don't want to hear from you. Okay, one more text, and then we're moving on.

Oh, wait, Kara did text me back. Oh, bro, she's so cute. She said in all caps, what? Which one? Liar. She's like, wait, what's going on? Tell me. Oh, my God.

Wait, now she's probably going to be like so sad. Wait, oh my God. How do I say there's not a song about her? Oh, my God. okay i have to call her after this because she's gonna be like you fucking bitch yeah wait that's so sad i thought it was gonna more like scare someone because obviously the album is about like fuck you vibes but she's thinking you're writing like a ballad to her that's like gorgeous and lovely and like you're saying how much you love her and now you have to actually do the harder thing and be like no oh my god there's no fucking song what's it called okay who are you texting yeah let's see kasha okay i can text now that's a down ass bitch i can text her something and she'll get it respond bro i accidentally said your name during sex last night i'm overthinking this what do you think it means okay so she'll love it she'll be like girl you're a free you're a free spirit

i accidentally said your name during sex last night what does this mean i'm overthinking it yeah perfect okay done wait caras hello i have to know is it mean is it sexy is it fun oh my god she's spiraling she's like literally what is it about bitch she's spiraling okay what Literally the love of my life. Tina's at, hmm, I would say stop and just be regular in exchange insurance. But how far are you away now? Tina Faye, I love you. Thoughtful.

So thoughtful. Literally thoughtful. Wait, that's so fucking sweet. That is so thoughtful. That's like the best fucking response someone, because she didn't implicate herself. She's saying to do the right thing. But then also being a homie of like, but how far are you? She's so responsible.

Okay. close your phone and then when you get a notification from one of those people you have to read us the answer okay perfect um okay let's talk about your girlfriend toa yes sorry you're at home with your crutches i know poor thing but let's talk about her um what first attracted you to each other well we were friends for a really long time and i i think like what made me want to be her friend to be honest was she's such a talented musician and there's something about a musician that like i am just so like your brain works in a way that I understand and I it is musicians are always also so like deep like tortured people that I'm like we got to be friends we got to be friends like we have to

know each other like we have to know each other so I and honestly I just like I really admired her a lot like I was like she is so smart and just like really naturally good Like, you see, like, a natural talent, and you just kind of know. So I really wanted her, I just, like, kind of wanted to be in her space and, like, in her orbit. Who made the first move? She would, she would deny this and say that it was me. But. But I feel like it was her.

Why? Because, actually, no, no, no, no. Okay, thinking back, I think in her defense, I'm pretty sure we kind of both. decided with each other um it we definitely did heavy flirting we definitely did not even just kind of we started to like relax around each other actually like we started to relax around each other like i was i think also because she's really talented and really cool just to be honest she was always so intimidating to me and once i kind of started to relax oh no no no who Tina, she said, oh my God, I love her so much.

What did she say? She said, when you say someone, you mean a car, right? She thinks you hit a person. She thinks I had a person. She thinks I had a small family of five. Do we respond? We need to respond to, like, relax her. Just say, I just had to send that.

It's a joke and call her daddy. We love you. Oh, my God. Everyone is alive. First of all, I'm so sorry. This is such a joke. I'm doing call her daddy. I am not okay.

Oh, A, fishbowl. Last time we spoke. Yes. You told me, quote, I have dated so many people in the same fucking font. If you went through the roster of 2021, they're all siblings. Yes. Does Toa fit the mold? No.

Really? No. Wait, visually? Visually, personality. All of it. Everything. No. Like she's not to be so inseferably in love, but like she is really one of one.

There is like truly, I've never met another person like her. I don't think another person like her exists. Like in every sense of the word. she is like physically so singular like she's the most beautiful thing in the whole wide world she's like so stunning and it's just objective like we always say like we're always like she's not like you can be you can be gay you can be straight you can be a big burly like cis man everybody thinks she's hot because she's objectively really fine she's everybody's type so like she's got her own thing there as a person she is not at all like

anyone I've ever dated she's like so secure and loving and supportive and wants nothing from me except to like love me and be with me um and has been so like thoughtful about that uh which i really really appreciate and i think she also appreciates too and she understands because like she's an artist so she gets it but um yeah she's just like she's just so yeah she's so one of one i think everybody else that i've dated has been really um i don't know if the people that i've dated have actually liked me or if they've just like been with me like for fun because it like feels good and it's exciting again like a jungle gem like everything is like a fucking play day to everybody no she's like i couldn't give a i couldn't give a i couldn't give

less of a fuck about what you do with all due respect being with her has just made me realize how unsupportive the rest of my relationships were i mean you can even just like tell like how calm you are yeah just tell you're very at ease with her beyond there's like there's truly there's like there's no one i would rather be around or spend my time with you guys moved in together how did you know you were ready for that like we were spending so much time to together anyway then we were like why do we pay for two separate places like this is so silly like why are we wasting money and also i i don't know there's something about like in like gay relationships it feels very like um like roommate-y almost and i was like dude like you got to be my roommate like

what are we on about like this is like we have to do this okay we do you have a PSA for any lesbian listening of like knowing when is the right time to move in with your partner. Bitch, I've had people move in with me against my will. So I am not, I am not the one to give advice because I don't even, I can't even, I can't even control. Oh my God. I can't even control it. Yeah.

Is it like, like, oh my fucking God. I'd be like, hey, can I, please like, can I have a moment of space? Would that be all right? and it would be met with like you don't want to be around me so you hate me that's really fucked up like you just like did it I'd be like wait but like this is my house can you please

can I actually sleep in my own bed please and then you start looking around and all of their stuff has already moved in you're like wait when did we have the conversation you were moving in? How did this happen? Literally how did this happen but Toa and I we like waited a minute to move in

like over a year to move in with each other because there's a seriousness with which we both took our relationship from the jump and then on, I think because we both knew immediately that we were really going to try and put our best foot forward and be like the best partner for each other because we both really wanted it to work. So I think in taking the time to decide to move in with each other, it actually allowed us to like grow closer because we were so secure in ourselves and in our own decisions that we were able to then do it together because like don't get me wrong sometimes rushing into things is the way and sometimes it works like sometimes it works and

sometimes you know and you know and you run free but I had just been in a situation where I was like yo I like I have no life my life is lost I I can't even fucking like wear the outfits I want to wear like I need I'm scared so I also didn't trust my judgment I was like I don't I don't know but I wanted it to work with her desperately because I was so in love with her so I I think we just like took every precaution dude that's amazing though yeah the fact that you now are able to be like we live together it's going amazing and I did the opposite of everything I've done in previous relationships I took it so fucking slow that by the time we moved in together we're like duh yeah we're like oh my god we're like why were we've been we've been

paying for two places like this is kind of outrageous i'm like we're like camping between like cribs i'm like this is so stupid bro but also it was i think it was like i think it was important i think it was um random pivot yeah sure can we talk about some straight men why why do you have any straight male friend yeah i got i could i could i definitely have some and i could count them on one hand you're like on one finger actually I'm like I fuck with my dad no I have a few okay um I feel like this is the year for a lot of women of like de-centering men from our lives which is probably a really good thing right crazy I want to hear your opinion on just like a few go let's start with like a basic easy layup how do you feel about Brad Pitt

um I okay I'm envisioning something in my mind and I need to make sure that this is Brad Pitt before I start talking because if it's not then I'm not sure. Renee? Hang on. You're lying to my face right now. Stop. I gotta look it up. I just need to make sure.

I just watched a movie. Yes! Oh my God. This is him. Okay. Brad Pitt. Love. Here's why. I love him in Oceans 11

because I love his style. It's really nice. I like want that closet. He also always has a toothpick, like spoken like a true dyke. I'm like, he looks so fine in that movie. I just watched it with T for the first time.

She was like, you got to get into like some boy movies. I was like, no, I don't. And then she showed me that. I was like, this is kind of nice. I think he looks really good in that movie. So I like him. He is objectively gorgeous. That's about all I know, but I really like what I've seen.

Okay, the cheating CEO from the Coldplay concert. I don't really understand that whole fiasco, because I don't really think that's on my side of the internet. Like, I've definitely heard, I've heard rumor. he brought a woman at his company to a cold play concert who is not his wife and that's how they were on the video

every time Chris Martin the cold play man sings one of these songs yellow something whatever of course look at the stars yeah I know him yeah okay great you know him so then they put a camera on a really cute looking couple he's holding her at the waist that's why okay swang back and forth

they get caught they physically jump to the ground and hide then it's found out that he has a full wife kids was fully cheating, took his mistress to the Coldplay concert. How do we feel about this man? Not loving. Dare I say hating. Let's get one thing straight.

That's fucking crazy. Yo, everybody makes mistakes, but that's insane. When you, oh my God, when you have a family, I can't. I can't, I can't, I can't. And he wrote an apology, Renee, and in the apology at the end, he basically kind of like blames cold play. Like a public apology? Yeah, he wrote a public apology.

Oh, my God, you're not the Pope. What are you doing? Wait, he made like a notes app apology? he's like an influencer who got canceled for saying a slur what are we doing is this real i didn't know about obama um really really good looking guy right to bag michel obama hey yo to bag michel obama you got to be doing something right Travis Kelsey I'm not sure

I definitely know who that is because of Taylor Swift Right Thank you Elon Musk Oh my God Literally roll over I'm so sorry

Roll over Roll over And I know y'all are checking the internet now And you're checking people's phones When they go through customs And you're doing all that bullshit Roll over Roll over

Get fucked All y'all It's embarrassing It's embarrassing It is so fucking embarrassing you are despicable despicable it makes me so livid

everyone who is in power is such a fucking joke have you seen people who drive Teslas and they have the sticker I saw one yesterday where they're like I bought this I promised before I saw one yesterday and I loved it I know my sister-in-law has it I like rolled up to her house yesterday I was like queen saw it and loved it um okay you recently said that sex is amazing for you right now yeah tell us the daddy gang like what what could we do be doing better uh i don't take ssr i don't take ssr i anymore for me personally i was like

i'm i'm good on it i don't think that i want that at that point of my life um that helped and also i stopped taking birth control because that shit is poison um let's transition to a different type of sex sex size of college girls right we made it sex um okay explain to me yes what happened why did you depart it was just so fun you're like who texted me i like it was so fun it was awesome what was the final straw come on it was just so fun it was just so fun did you sign an india i've signed many i've signed mini bro how did genuinely i have signed mini how did people take it on the show um when you announced that you were leaving fine they were like get out bitch fine yeah like i think totally fine they were ready for you to go i think that sometimes you just know sometimes you just know

also like nothing's like nothing on a on a set is ever secret like it's at least it's really hard to do that like also i was the last one finding out about things so i think that it's i think i don't really anybody cared to be honest i'm sure somebody did but i don't care the lyric in your new song says quote yes i took my sex life with me now the show ain't fucking yeah did anyone try to stop you from putting that lyric in the song no okay so i love everyone around you no god forbid i use wordplay god forbid a girl uses word play i look similar to all the bullshit like what am i like i what am I to do if not like make music that is genuinely reflective of my life? It just, it just is.

you a lot of random questions that these aren't already random go please and i just want your answers okay give me what's the most recent things your friends have made fun of you for i said recently to all of my friends that i i was like you guys let's get real like i'm the glue and they were like and they were like excuse you and i was like i know it's bitchy i understand it sounds conceited but i need you guys to all get fucking serious and tell me like let's talk about it i'm the glue like I'm I'm making the plans I'm holding this bitch together and all my friends are like you are so fucking crazy that is such an obscene thing to say and I was like just chew on it and then come back to me let me know if you think I'm the glue everyone whether reluctant or not agreed that in a sense

I am the glue but I did get clown for it and because you're making such like a pretty big statement about yourself of course but it's honest but it's honest and I'm not saying I'm a god's gift i'm just saying like i make a dinner reservation every once in a while and that's huge that's big that's big i'm like what are we doing you know everybody's like should we do this should we do this i'm like no one let's go fuck mary kill sure ellen degenerous right rosy o'donnell right jojo siwa oh my god okay well mary ellen degenerous mary ellen degenerous nemo is my favorite film of all time and that is single-handedly one of the best voiceover acting jobs we have seen and maybe we'll ever see to date there is truly nothing like it and we are not talking about it enough mary ellen in this

scenario or any um who are the other ones rosie o'Donnell and jojo siwa i for the purpose of this exercise i oh my god i'll fuck on rosio donnell yeah yeah i think okay so we're killing jojo yeah okay okay but god bless god bless god bless okay what would you do if you were forced to have dinner with a straight white man whose personality revolved around joe rogan being his religion i need you to tell me something who the fuck is joe rogan because I saw something using, I saw a TikTok using his name today and I was like, what is that?

And that was not the first time I'd heard this name, but I'm not sure who that is. He's not in Ocean's 11. No, he's. Who is it? Have you ever watched Fear Factor? No, what's that? Do you know what the UFC is?

What is this? The UFC, like UFC fights? He's a fighter? Well, I don't know. he has a podcast he's my height I guess you don't have to be tall to be a fighter

we're moving on yeah you and Amy Poehler recently bonded over disliking boys who do backflips okay is Benson Boone the exception or is he the reason

for the trauma God damn it okay I literally so I texted Benson about this because I was like I was like listen God damn it I was like first of all

Amy and I's conversation obsessed with her A, there's truly nobody better The duo of her and Tina together is one that will go down in history They are the nicest people alive And so fucking funny This conversation with Amy and I

Came from somehow Oh, we started talking Okay, we started talking about SVU Which I know that you just don't even Don't even get me started on Rishk Don't even fucking talk to me about Rishk She walked in here, life changed. I was freaking out.

I was freaking out. Renee. I thought I was going to literally off myself. Imagine me meeting her. Not Rish. Shit, shit myself. Woo! I was like, oh my God, I watch her every night.

She is everything. No, she's perfect. She's perfect. Anyway. You're talking about SVU. We're talking about SVU, and then we got into how much I love Christopher Maloney. And then we started talking about this picture of Christopher Maloney in a split for a men's health spread at one point.

And I was like, look at this. He's in split. I love Christopher Maloney. but I was like I don't like when guys do splits and so we started talking about flexible men and I said that the reason for me disliking when men do like like flips or splits or tricks or little like acrobatic things it reminds me of the musical theater straight boy who is not very talented but bags every hot bitch in the cast in high school okay there is this is an archetype in musical theater

that disrupts me to my core and they're always flipping or they always have a trick. They can always do an aerial or something and they're not talented but they can flip. And so I get deeply disturbed when men do splits or anything acrobatic now because I'm like,

this is taking me back to a place that I worked really hard to escape from. So Benson is the exception. Benson can flip, listen. He's not the reason for the trauma. No, my God, no. listen he can flip he can flip all he wants what straight behavior should be illegal all of it okay you're stuck in a group therapy session sure with your most recent ex your hometown homophob and your childhood bully

who do you make cry first i'm like totally going for my childhood bully that one's been like waiting a long time coming that one's been a long time uh actually wait i take it back i kind of forgive her Really? I don't know. The childhood thing is difficult because I am a full believer that kids are assholes and kids are not only like going through so much shift, but also like hate themselves at the same time as like trying to figure out who they are. So I do, I do have, I do have some like grace there. So maybe I wouldn't make my childhood bully cry because I would get it a little bit. I'd be like, it's okay. All good. People can change. I don't know I might hit a three-peat I might get them like all at once I might be like y'all all fucking busted

ugly not talented boring just do too too yeah take them all out all out at once I love that for you closure right exactly

what is the most lesbian thing about you I genuinely think the most lesbian thing about me is so funny I think like my toa said this me the other day. She was like, you are so fucking gay. She was like, you are so much gayer than I am. And I was like, excuse me. I was like, what are you talking about? Look at you. I was like, are we dead ass right now? And she was like, no, no, no, you are so much gayer than I am. And I was

like, why? And she was like, you are so deeply, deeply, deeply repulsed by dick. It is insane. And it's true. I like can't even. It makes me. It makes me. it makes my stomach turn it makes me sick to my stomach i don't understand it i can't get behind it i don't like the shape i don't like i don't like the fact that it's um i'm not i hate it it makes me like deeply upset and like sick to my stomach are you aware of something called dorking no yeah don't be well you might be fine with this it's oh my god i'm like getting like viscerally sick thinking about it it's like it's like where like people with like dicks like oh they like twerk with their they like dance basically i just found out about it and i was like you all are

fucking repulsive you have to stop that right now i feel assaulted just by hearing it just by hearing they're swinging their weeners around hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate i like can't do it and there's like i think like when you're like so like gay or so like lesbian and you can like make jokes about it and it's like he he he and i'm like no literally not at all it makes me sick to my stomach i've like just warmed up to it to where i like can hear it but i think that's the most lesbian thing about me is it makes me viscerally upset like there's like a deep it's like a gutter roll it's really yeah it's coming up i'm like literally stop it right now we're moving on let's talk about your music oh sure how did you feel with the internet internet harassing you

that you weren't coming out with music fast enough? It's nice. It's nice. I think it's really, to be honest, for me, it was like, it was really actually quite affirming to know that people care, because I live in my head pretty much 24-7. Like, I was texting Kara earlier, and I was like, I'm literally so depressed, I can't, like, do anything. I don't want to move. I live in my head all the time. So, seeing that fans of mine like were like a super funny about asking for new music and also really like endearing I was like honestly I got to be real like that feels so nice to hear and were you ever feeling pressured like fuck I need to hurry up and write and get stuff out or no you were like it's coming yes but not by

them not by them why by who all just like I think like people a lot of people I work with were like okay let's like put something out and I was like fuck okay I have to I have to I have to and then i was like wait on free will just remembered i have it no not going to we and how long did you spend writing this album almost two years two years so during this whole hiatus you've been like slowly working on this so it wasn't like a one week you banged it out and then you're like okay put it up no oh my god it was a it was a long process and frankly i would have taken so much longer if everybody hadn't been like hey about that time how you doing but i i again i live in my head 24 seven so i would i would sit and ruminate on songs for the next 10 years if you let me yeah you know

what lyric from this album were you the most conflicted about putting out well the general answer is like all of them yeah because there's like a difference so when i'm like writing them i love writing very personally and like very how i feel because that's what it's meant to be right and then months later down the line i started to get like oh my god like i have to release like every single like good bad amazing embarrassing part about me that i put on this album out into the world and and just let everyone have it and hope that they will receive it with open arms understanding and like see me as a full person um and i think that's where it starts to get a bit scary if I think about it too much.

What is one song that was possibly not going to make it on? We almost didn't, well, wouldn't you? We'd like that wouldn't you? It was the last song that I was like, okay, we can put this on the album. But I feel like that was good because it like concluded it almost. That's kind of the conclusion that we came to. I just, we wrote that song when I was really, really, really stressed. And I was on a trip in Nashville writing.

and also I think like wouldn't you like the like the cheeky line about like I would never cheat again I that was another one where like writing it I was like oh my god this feels so good to like get all of this shit out I feel so like relieved to be able to like poke fun at something so horrible that happened to me

and make light of it and something that I did at one point that I'm not proud of like I was like this feels so fucking good to get out and then like months later I was like oh my god like what if it isn't received in the right way oh my god like i can't like i don't know if i want to put that much of my personal life out there i don't know what i did and then ultimately what i always come back to is just like no one knows every intimate detail of my life that is how it should be that is okay i made something that i am really proud of and as a songwriter and an

artist, I want to make things that are who I am holistically as a person. So anytime I start to tweak out about something or get worried about like putting a line on, I'm like, yeah, but like this is my, this is what I do and this is my job and this is what I love. And this is also how I like expressing myself. And also I poke fun at bullshit. I do all the time. So like I'm going to also do that in music because that's that just it is what it is do you ever give x is a heads up that they will be talked about no i don't talk to them okay no what is toa's favorite song on the album i'm calling her hi sweetie hey can i ask you a question um what is your favorite song on my album and why is it everything but also if you had to pick one specific song what would you say that

it is okay she said it's either that's so funny or at least i'm hot good good choices sweets okay i love you oh or shy okay she loves the whole thing okay she loves the whole god forbid god forbid she has taste i love you okay bye bye what what songs are you most excited to perform for your fans I'm really excited to perform shy I think shy is so oh god that's just like I'm like such a sucker for like a really nice hook and a good chord progression okay but gone I know you know how I feel about you with like you're singing like last time when you sang for us I was like crying because your your voice Renee you could strip every single fucking instrument out and you your voice I

my jaws to the floor every fucking time. So when I heard gone, I was like, there she is. There she is. No, it's truly like, thank you for giving us this piece of work and thank you for sitting down with me again. And we do it again in two fucking years. Thanks, dude.

I know we do it every two years. Every two years. It's like a little tradition. We'll see where you're at next. Maybe in two years you'll come out with another album. Probably. Fuck. It'll take you a little longer maybe next time.

God damn. I don't know. I don't know, bro. Maybe. Dude, thank you. Thanks for having you. I'm going to be able to be.