Call Her Daddy - Reneé Rapp: Sex Lives of College Girls (REVISIT)

Episode Date: January 3, 2024

Reneé Rapp joins Call Her Daddy to discuss the hardships she's navigated while managing the rise of her career. Reneé speaks about growing up in North Carolina and the difficulties she faced when tr...ying to come out to her friends and family. She explains why her first year on set at Sex Lives of College Girls was a horrible experience and why she hated going into work. Reneé opens up about her struggles with disordered eating and how those struggles were exacerbated while working on Broadway. She details her experience in a toxic relationship and takes Alex through her dating history person by person. Stick around for Reneé’s live performance of “Too Well” and “Bruises." This episode includes discussion of disordered eating. Please keep this in mind when deciding if, how and when you’ll listen. For resources on these topics, visit spotify.com/resources.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, Daddy Gang. Happy New Year. I hope you guys had the absolute best New Year, whether you stayed home, watched a movie, drank some tea, or you went out and raged your face off and blacked out and made out with someone that you wish you hadn't, or maybe you made out with the person that you always wanted to make out with, or you didn't have a New Year's kiss, but you had the time of your life. Whatever it happy motherfucking new year daddy gang this year is going to be absolutely insane bruce i'm trying to do an intro for caller daddy bruce do you want to do the intro for this week i will be back next week but i'm clearly need to go train my dog i picked one of my favorite favorite episodes to re-release this week. You guys remember our favorite gal, Renee Rapp. Since Renee Rapp came on,
Starting point is 00:00:48 Daddy Gang, she had her new album come out. She is gonna be in the new Mean Girls movie. Renee is everywhere. She has had such an incredible year and I'm so, so happy for her. So I figured why not relive our glory days with Renee? She sings at the end of this episode. Make sure you stay till the end because her voice is literally angelic.
Starting point is 00:01:07 Bruce is having a mental breakdown, so I got to go. So Daddy Gang, enjoy. And I will see you guys next week for a very exciting episode. Are you okay? Are you okay? What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father,lex cooper with call her daddy renee rap welcome to call her daddy thanks man i am so happy to have you here every
Starting point is 00:01:36 fucking other dm on instagram is like please have renee on please have renee on i'm like i know i want to have her on everyone come down it's gonna fucking happen so i'm so happy that we're giving the people what they want today always let's update the people on how you're feeling you're a little hungover yeah what did you do last night well i went so there was there was a spotify uh party last night because it's grammy week i was supposed to go to that well good thing you're seeing me today not last night because sometimes most of the time when i get drunk or sober we like me and my friends always like get in fights and stuff not with each other with other people oh okay note to self don't run into Renee when I'm drunk no genuinely don't actually because also it's not a good representation of who I am
Starting point is 00:02:18 so you are like the moment right now I feel like everyone is fucking talking about you you're everywhere I was just telling you before like I'm scrolling on TikTok and every other fucking scroll is you and I told you I'm like thank fucking god it's you though because I actually like you when you have that one person on your algorithm you're like get the fuck off my page oh you're like please leave me alone but actually how does it feel to be where you're at in your career right now i feel like it feels like equal parts exciting and equal parts um scary and also like the biggest part of it is like i just like i talked so much shit my whole life about doing this so like thank fucking god i'm finally doing it because i think like it would have been like really embarrassing if it didn't work out you're saying like you
Starting point is 00:03:02 would tell everyone like oh i'm gonna fucking make it i'm gonna be a singer or an actress or i literally like when i was in fifth grade i told my parents i was like i'm not going to college i'm gonna be beyonce where did you get that confidence do you think i have no idea it's like delusion it's all delusion i genuinely don't fucking know you just like always knew you were meant to be a performer and you loved it 100 i always only ever wanted to do music like that was just like it i was just like i was like writing songs before i could like talk like there's like videos of me like naked while i was a child not not um there's like videos of me like you're not creepily but like um as like a child like in like a diaper with like a harmonica like making like what would be like a song and shit like that and then like writing things
Starting point is 00:03:46 okay so you grew up in charlotte yeah which when i was like getting prepared for this interview i was like why did i think you're like a city girl like you come off as like born and raised in new york and then you do give like oh my god i don't know maybe you just like give that energy and so i'm like wow you're from the south i lie a lot and say that i'm from charlotte i'm like technically from outside of charlotte in like a town called Huntersville which is just like hick what was your high school experience like the high school was wild for me because my first two years in high school I went to like a normal high school um and then I transferred to an art school because it's a very like long-winded thing but being that I wanted to be Beyonce and I didn't want to go to
Starting point is 00:04:45 college um yeah I had to and my parents were like my dad was like kicking me out of the house he was like what the fuck are you doing you don't think you're gonna go to college I was like bet that I'm gonna show you and so high school was weird because I was in a regular high school for the first two years and I absolutely hated myself and it just sucked why did you hate yourself um I like I was such an overly emotional kid always and I still am like a very like hyper emotional person and I just like I think like I come off very hard at least I thought I used to um and I am so sensitive and so I think like the like duality of me like coming across kind of hard and like confident and like cool and like very chill and then like actually like everything fucking hurting me like beyond belief was nauseating and
Starting point is 00:05:38 I also had horrible friends like horrible friends and I had really horrible friends when I was a kid and so it was just like years of like me like despising who I was emotionally my friends and my friends mothers despising who I was period end of that sentence and it was just it was just crazy but then when I switched to the arts high school I kind of started just like doing my own thing and I mean it was still actually like trash and like the friends moms hating me like got like 10 times worse wait why are these moms hating you yeah let me fucking tell you so so the theater mommies didn't like me they did not fuck with me they created a group chat about me I was told through my friends that there was this group chat that was basically them like shitting on the like high school musical casting process and shitting on the fact that I had whatever and I was like okay so grown people are also stupid because I was like I was like you're
Starting point is 00:06:36 40 plus year old women hating on a teenager right for your kids sake that's embarrassing I can actually relate a lot to you saying like you almost have this like really hard exterior but inside you're super sensitive but i'm assuming you're like in those situations like high school it can be off-putting to some kids of like why is she so cocky and confident all this where it's like 100 i'm i'm having to at times fake it so i believe in myself absolutely but it can be off putting to other people 100 so socially you're like i'm just trying to fucking be beyonce over here okay and trying to get out of charlotte thank you for seeing me yes but i get where like
Starting point is 00:07:16 in those like high school environments yeah it can be like very like well she's the fucking bitch or she's this and she's that when it's really really like well why do you think Renee is acting this way. Like maybe she's feeling whatever it was. Totally. Well and also like to be clear. Like I don't think it absolves me from ever being a bitch. Because like I can remember thousands of times in like school growing up. That I was a total bitch.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Yeah. Completely. Which I think like and maybe not everybody feels this way. Maybe I really am a total bitch. Yeah. Completely. Which I think like, and maybe not everybody feels this way. Maybe I really am just a bitch, but like I like can remember like so many things from my childhood that I'm like, holy shit,
Starting point is 00:07:52 I cannot believe I fucking did that. Or, oh my God, I can't believe I said that. If you had to try to get underneath it, like why do you think you have that like anger in you? I have anger issues. i have a mood disorder like i just like i i have like my different little like mental health things yeah um but i think like now i understand it so much better right um because i just i'm so emotional yeah i'm just really really really
Starting point is 00:08:26 super sensitive when you said like you would lie about being from charlotte why would you lie about that i like resented like being from like the like south so much and also like where i grew up in charlotte or hello right where i grew up in huntersville um is like super like ass backwards and like very conservative at least it was when I was a kid and so like I just felt like very I was like I just really do not fit here I was like I do not fit here like I felt like everybody was like super like fucked and like homophobic and like just like not fun and great and it was just it just like sucked which I feel like then like again makes sense of like that recipe for like you pushing against the grain of what everyone else was doing feeling like you weren't meant to be there career-wise
Starting point is 00:09:16 and also with your sexuality being from the south and having like you're saying everyone being like homophobic. When did you start to like explore your sexuality? When I was when I was 14, I like was doing a musical. And this girl who was the lead of the musical, like just looked super like, I don't know, she was just like different. Like she just she had like red, like spiky hair. And like she never wore a bra and like that was so nice to me that was nice I was like that's she's different you know because like growing up in fucking Huntersville like it was just like I was like damn but yeah she was just like so cute to me and she was much older than me and she carried herself with just like the most like amazing demeanor ever
Starting point is 00:10:06 of like, I felt like she was just like super like, fuck it, like whatever. And I was just like obsessed with her. And I figured out one day I went home
Starting point is 00:10:13 because I genuinely, and this is like, I don't know if this is a bad thing or if it's not, but honestly, I was just like so intrigued by her. And like she never wore a bra, which was amazing. But I was like can't i i cannot i cannot stop looking at this girl's boobs like
Starting point is 00:10:31 like like that was the moment that i was like oh okay and i went home and i started full-blown crying had a meltdown i was like oh my god i'm gay I was like damn it I was like that's crazy because like I had never heard anything surrounding that in a positive light because the one like queer person that I knew in my life is a family member of mine who I really looked up to who got absolutely shitted on by everybody in our family and so so all I ever heard was like, oh, like, and she was bisexual at the time. They were like, oh, well, she needs to pick a side. And like, oh, well, she's, you know, she just, she's whatever, whatever. You shouldn't be around her kind of thing. Like, you never know who's going to, like, make you gay. Genuinely. And so I had a full-blown panic attack
Starting point is 00:11:22 and I was laying in my bed, and I was screaming crying, which is hilarious in hindsight because, like, imagine, like, 14-year-old me, like, screaming crying. I'm gay! Ah! You know, I was like, oh, my God. And also I was like, well, got to pick a side, have to be a lesbian. So I decided that I would call my friend at the time, and I was like, hey, I just want to let you know um I'm gay I'm a lesbian and she was like oh I'm okay cool and I was like yeah and I'm like fighting through tears but I was like I just like hated everything about that as a kid and so she was like okay so do you think you like don't like boys at all and I was like no no no I still do I still do but I'm I'm a lesbian
Starting point is 00:12:06 though I'm a lesbian and she was like I don't I don't know about that and I was like nah man like gotta be one gotta pick a side gotta do it so I was like I'm a lesbian she was like I think you're bisexual I was like you're kidding and that was so intriguing to me and then yeah that's so interesting too because I bet so many people watching and listening are like, oh my God, I had such a similar experience. Like this was my sexual awakening. And then all of a sudden I remember being in my room and like trying to figure out how I'm going to handle this because the people around me in my life do not at all like accept
Starting point is 00:12:41 anything other than a heterosexual relationship. Totally. How did you tell your parents and how did they react so I think like for for a really long time I thought that I just like never like officially had like a coming out thing because I I would always say I was like I just like never really came out because I just felt so incredibly accepted and like and um fine and I actually think now after like doing like so much work in therapy and also just like growing up and living you know away from home and whatever um I was just like laughed at every time I tried to come out like I was just laughed at so then I like never really talked about it and I had always just said I was like I just was one of those people that never felt like they really had to
Starting point is 00:13:29 come out and to be honest like I feel like my genuine like coming out to my family close and extended has been doing college girls because now that part of me is like on display in a very palatable way um which I think is also like kind of fucked up in a way that I'm like yeah like now I'm like on a tv show and I'm like very publicly like out and accepted as a bisexual woman and on the show like as a gay woman and a lesbian woman now like it's like really cool for everybody and everybody's like yeah oh my god amazing I did not have that same support as a kid and so I resent it in a lot of ways it's it's still really really hard because I never like fully will believe that somebody who like treated me like that as a kid is now really accepting of it I'm like you just like
Starting point is 00:14:26 it now because it's like comfortable for you and it's like something exciting that you can like romanticize around my life now if you have like a little bit of hindsight like how do you think that affected how you like viewed yourself worth like like horribly horribly like the first year doing college girls was terrible it was terrible yeah it sucked so bad because at the time I was in a heteronormative relationship and I like hated going to work because I was like I was like I don't think I'm like good enough to be here I don't think like I can be here I don't think I can be doing this and I was like I was like maybe I'm just like trying too hard here. I don't think like I can be here. I don't think I can be doing this. And I was like, I was like, maybe I'm just like trying too hard. And then I would like come home and I would psych myself out literally.
Starting point is 00:15:10 And I will never forget. Like I like sat on my like front porch and I called one of my friends and I was like, I was like, I am straight. I was like, I think I'm just straight. I can't do this. I can't do this. And they were like, what the fuck is going on with you? And I was like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:15:28 I don't know, but I can't. And I can't do this and they were like what the fuck is going on with you and I was like I don't know I don't know but I can't and I was just like in a panic constantly and I wasn't but I was so freaked out by the idea of like my sexuality not being like finite or people laughing at me or like me laughing at myself that I hated the first year of filming how did you decide to take on a character that plays a lesbian I was just so thanks man that was the cutest thing ever um I was just so excited when I got the audition too because like I felt like that was again like a part of me that I'd like only like my like, my friends really, like, knew about. Like, I was then, like, a lot more comfortable with it as I got older. But, like, I remember, like, getting that audition breakdown and being so excited. Because I'd also never been, like, submitted to audition for, like, a queer character. And I was, like, it was so exciting.
Starting point is 00:16:18 And so then, like, doing the job, being such a mind fuck was like so scary because also like you know I'm like on a show that like there are a lot of men around there are a lot of men around there are a lot of gay men around there are a lot of straight men around there are a lot of older men around me on set right so I'm going through set doing these scenes and I'm also having gay men come up to me and be like, so are you really gay? You just play? And I was like, ugh. And I know that sounds like such a little frou-frou thing,
Starting point is 00:16:55 and I also understand there's an immense level of difference when it comes to people who are bisexual, specifically also I'm a cis white woman who is bisexual right like that's also loaded in and of itself and I understand that it still really like fucking pissed me off and it made me just like second guess everything about myself and so I felt like I was to no one else's real fault except for like my like formative childhood years and myself I was beating myself up so much it's like a mind fuck for you probably to be playing a character that's struggling coming out while you're also still struggling with your sexuality and then people are like wait are you
Starting point is 00:17:34 actually fucking gay it was like so crazy wow it was so crazy and i and i oh i also just like the biggest part of it was like I really like I wanted so badly to do a good job. Like not even really as an actor. Like, yeah, that was like a part of it. But I was just like, whatever. I was like, if I'm not good at acting, they'll just fire me and that'll be easier. But like I wanted to play the role in a way that like if I saw it as a kid it would like feel good to me and so I also like wanted to do a good job so bad that I was just like so nervous all the time and yeah it was like it was like so much the first season what is your relationship now with
Starting point is 00:18:17 your parents um it's like great now I think like's wild, because, like, I just turned 23, so I'm even, like, discovering, like, so much about my relationship with my family now, um, my dad is my best friend in the whole wide world, and it's so interesting, because we, like, would go at it growing up, like, go at it, and, like, I was a fucking madhouse as a kid like I was a monster and also I was told that I was like to be clear like my family extended family friends like referred to me as like a ticking time bomb like that doesn't feel great as a kid it really doesn't um and also to be like the like girl child in the family and to be like told like you're constantly so dramatic and so emotional. And to actually under the surface of all of that like have a massive anxiety disorder was really crazy.
Starting point is 00:19:17 But as I love to say, I'm very close to my parents now. And getting out of the house like changed a lot of it um because when I did the whole like theater thing right like go to the art school try to win this try to win this and then try to get a job working in Mean Girls on Broadway. And I was really, really sick. Had a horrible eating disorder. And I was laying in my bed in New York. And I remember FaceTiming my parents.
Starting point is 00:19:58 And I was like, I cannot go to work. I was like, I can't. I can't do it. I can't go to that place. I physically cannot be there. This is scaring the shit out can't. I can't do it. Like, I can't go to that place. Like, I physically cannot be there. This is scaring the shit out of me. Like, I can't do that. I can't put on those costumes. Not after everything that's happened. Not after changing my costumes. Not after this whole thing. Like, that was not my decision. I can't. I can't be there. I'm a kid. I'm a fucking kid. My parents changed their attitude from you're so dramatic to oh holy shit like there are things
Starting point is 00:20:28 that are happening to you publicly and you don't have control over them we are flying to New York and we're gonna come and get you wow yeah I was gonna say like to everyone that doesn't know the full like the timeline of your careers like after high school you moved to New York City and you get the role as Regina George in Broadway yeah did you get an eating disorder while on Broadway I had an eating disorder starting I like now know um when I was 10 it started I was like I danced competitively my whole life and it was really like a mind fuck on me um and uh it was bad and then it like changed when i got into mean girls because it went from like a binge eating disorder to like i'm not eating at all um and it was it was it was really tough when you said they
Starting point is 00:21:21 like changed your costumes like what do you mean my costumes were changed and it was not my decision like change as in like sizing or like the actual outfit the actual outfit that i was wearing so i was in the show and i was just like more curvy than like the other girl who had done it and the other girls who had been in the role and um I was like there was a there was an outfit in the beginning or no somewhere like through the the thing um that was like a corset it's like a Halloween thing it was like a corset and like fishnets um and like no pants obviously because it's like a corset and it's like a little right. So I'm already like wildly insecure and like super uncomfortable. And then certain people came to see the show who I don't know or work with anymore.
Starting point is 00:22:16 And then like all of a sudden I like got a call from somebody who worked on the show that was like, hey, by the way, I just want to let you know we're sending you into these fittings. And we're just going to change some costumes. I'm really sorry. And I was like, really sorry? I was like, what do you mean? And they were like, yeah, I know. It's just like, you know, if it's nothing that makes you comfortable, then totally just tell us and we can just go back to the old ones.
Starting point is 00:22:41 But we're going to send you into this fitting. And so I was really confused. And so I remember calling my mom and being like, why did I just get called that, like, I'm going into another fitting? And I was like, this is kind of weird. And she was like, no, I think it's fine. And I was like, okay. So I go into the fitting, and I saw that, like, they were putting, like, a skirt over my corset and stuff. And I knew when I got in there, I was like, oh, I know what this is for. I was like oh I know what this is for I was like I know
Starting point is 00:23:07 exactly what this is and um because I could tell by the demeanor of the costumers and the people they were like we're so sorry and I was like I was like 19 years old and I was like oh fuck mind you at the time I'm already in the show and getting like horrific messages from people online that's like we didn't even want to be at the show because we saw that your like ass was hanging out and da da da da da da mind you I'm like then I'm going into interviews as a teenager and like the constant like thing that everyone is asking me is like how does it feel being like a curvy woman playing a role and da da da I, A, I'm a teenager. B, this is also a wildly loaded conversation
Starting point is 00:23:49 because now you're going to say that I am a bigger person. Then you're also, in a weird way, taking up space for people who are actually bigger bodied than mine that should actually have the nature for that conversation in the space. it was it was just like a very fucked up sort of time in my life so they changed my costumes and I went in to go do my like put in rehearsal um for the show and uh I was the only one in a costume and I like turned around and the whole cast was amazing. Like everybody like turned around and looked at me and I could see immediately on everybody's face that everybody in that fucking building had known what happened. And I wanted to die because they're like, oh, holy shit.
Starting point is 00:24:39 And I was like mortified. How the fuck did you get through that moment um to be honest everybody around me lied to me and said that uh it wasn't a problem and it was a thing where they just wanted to highlight my body so it was like also nauseating but also like the weird thing was i and not weird but i didn't talk to anybody about it because it I know where this whole thing came from and it did not come from like Tina or Lauren or anybody who I love who works on that show and who I'm about to work with again like it came from nobody who I respected and loved and so it was really difficult because I was also then like really battling like being very sick and having
Starting point is 00:25:23 to pull out of the show all the time because I wasn't eating at all during the day so I would get on stage and I would like be like shaking and like about to pass out and people would be like oh she's having an anxiety attack let's pull her out for the show mind you I haven't eaten in like 24 hours it was horrible um so yeah every like I remember like people who were close to me in my life were just like I think it's just like a thing where they want to like you know highlight your curves and I was like you think I was like I'm pretty sure that like a grown-ass man just like told me that like I'm not a size to be wearing this on a stage but yeah right you're like I'm not a fucking idiot don't insult me like you're
Starting point is 00:26:01 already insulting me like I know it's happening. When you were living in New York during that time, like did you have friends in New York? Like what was your social life like? Yeah. I had friends. I had friends, but my life like really just revolved around work. And just, you know, really revolved around like being really sick. Like sadly, like I just would wake up and like try to not eat all day and then like getting closer to accepting your body and like eating healthier like four months ago and also like never it's a really like it's a really like
Starting point is 00:26:57 tough like loaded sort of conversation um because it changed a lot because I would think that I was getting better but actually I would be getting worse but in my brain I was like it and this is such a fucked up way of thinking but my brain was going oh you're able to eat less oh you must be like doing better because I associated that with good so it was really really hard um yeah so I feel like a couple months ago but then again like also like never yeah like how does it because I'm assuming like it does it negatively affect you that like you have to watch yourself on screen and like watch yourself like in videos or like is that okay like does that trigger you I think so I think I think it negatively affects me I think what more so
Starting point is 00:27:43 negatively negatively affects me are are comments what more so negatively affects me are comments. Not comments online, like comments I receive on set. Those comments I don't like. And I don't mean that these are like malicious people coming for me. I mean that these are things that I've actually probably said to people in the last five years that I can't believe I've actually said that. Like I had somebody say to me that like this really like sent me into a fucking spiral um again they were not trying to be malicious but I was like I was like hey can I please get out of this costume like I don't feel like I can do my
Starting point is 00:28:14 best work in this can I just like have some pants or something I'm really afraid today and I had already been super transparent about like I was like hey I love you I respect you so much I'm really struggling so if I ever need to change something please know it has nothing to do with your work and it's everything internally for me I just want to be really transparent about that because it'd be unfair if I didn't yeah um and they would just be like oh my god but that like looks so slimming on you not like makes you look so slim and I'd be on set and I'd be like oh my god and I know that they were not trying to be malicious which is the hard part right because I'm like I in this moment would love to literally slap the shit out of you but I understand where you're coming from
Starting point is 00:28:59 because I guarantee I've said that to someone before right you're just like can you everyone stop fixating on my body because Because I do it enough myself. Yeah. So please shut the fuck up. Yes. With regard to your music career, a lot of your music is about heartbreak, falling in love, getting hurt. What is like the biggest heartbreak you've ever experienced the biggest heartbreak that I've ever experienced is
Starting point is 00:29:27 I was like I was in a relationship and I was like very much in love with someone and I was really uh invested and I was really also invested in myself. And that made someone in their family very uncomfortable that I was super into my career and that I didn't think my career should make anybody like feel bad. And so the fucked up part is I started hiding my successes from my partner and their family because I knew that if they found out, they were not going to be happy with me. And they were going to be like, what'd she get? I've literally gotten that comment before.
Starting point is 00:30:15 And so that was the biggest heartbreak because I was like, damn, I really made myself that much smaller for that long of a time to make a man comfortable I was like am I the antithesis of everything that I would teach my daughter or my child I was like holy shit it was crazy it's so crazy because I relate to that so heavily and I feel like we're two pretty like strong women sitting here and like when you're I can relate to that like when you're in it and when you're trying to be successful like you have to full-heartedly believe in yourself like we said even if it's delusional yeah and when you're in a relationship with someone that's trying to make you feel less than or make you feel shame for the good shit you're doing you either hide it or you essentially kind of pull back on your career to try to make this
Starting point is 00:31:06 person happy but it's like wait what the fuck am i doing i had the same exact situation where i was like i couldn't talk to him about the good things that was happening because it was like he's threatened he's jealous he's insecure and then you don't almost you feel it but you're trying to hold on to it and like micromanage like how can i make this fit 100 and then when you're out you're like what the fuck was i doing well and then the second i was out like my entire life changed like the first because also like mind you this breakup i like was i hurt absolutely but like this happened like in the weirdest way and so like i literally laughed like genuinely, genuinely. Like, I remember they were like, I just, like, I just don't know. And I literally went, I went, I was like, okay. And I hung up the phone.
Starting point is 00:31:54 Bye. And I called my manager. I was like, I just want you to know, this is going to be the greatest motherfucking year of my life. And he was like, what just happened? And I was like, oh, I just, you know, we broke up broke up but I was like I feel it like in my fingers I don't know how to explain this but like my entire life it now makes sense to me and my manager Adam was like are you are you good and I was like honestly no I was like I'm actually not okay at all but I've never felt better to be myself yeah in my life and it actually was like
Starting point is 00:32:28 very real of like the second that I did not have to make someone comfortable and like stay at whatever level of success or um not even success like at whatever level of like hard working whatever like woman like felt like to them and felt like to their family um my entire fucking career changed and that's why this last year has been insane because I was like I'm gonna do what I've always wanted to do and what I did not allow myself to do around you and what you did not allow me to do around you and what your father didn't allow me to do around you and I will do it incredibly well and I will look hot as fuck and you will exist somewhere misogyny is a motherfucker because even it's so what is such a mind fuck is I'm so incredibly like oh my god I would go through that entire experience 10 times over again
Starting point is 00:33:25 and that heartbreak 10 times over again and that abandonment 20 times over again to be where I am right now. I don't give a fuck. I was like, are you kidding me? I was like, if you told me go through that again and then you'll be at EGOT, hello, I'm going through it twice with two different people at the same time. Break up with me. Leave me.
Starting point is 00:33:42 Let's do this double, bitch. Let's do it. Let's do it. Run it up. Let's do it let's do it run it up let's do it again but but misogyny is such a mind fuck in and of the fact that i can say that right now yet i still somewhere in the back of my mind can be like are you like stepping out of line like even as even as i'm saying that right which is crazy do some of your exes know that certain songs are about them. I, to be honest, I think I have the kind of exes that I think they probably think every song is about them. And I'm like, girl, actually, nothing is about you.
Starting point is 00:34:31 Funny enough. I'm like, you're not even on the album. You're not even a thought in the project. I just feel like I have that kind. Maybe I don't. But do you ever worry, though? Like, fuck, maybe I shouldn't put that in because they could think it's about them. So, yes, I've started to get out of it
Starting point is 00:34:46 recently though like i think like i think like obviously like internet culture right accessibility is through the roof and is crazy and is amazing in a lot of ways um but i always just try to think like would beyonce have taken it out if it came out in 2002? And like the answer is like, Beyonce, Gisele Nels Calder would not have. So no, I'm not going to. Exactly. Becky with the good hair.
Starting point is 00:35:15 I've only learned from her. Are you single now? I am very happy. And I am seeing somebody that makes me, like, really happy. And I feel, like, very appreciated. And I don't feel like I've been made to feel small or, like, I need to make myself smaller to make them comfortable. Dude, that's great.
Starting point is 00:35:39 I'm happy for you. Do you have a type? Yeah, so, like, I've dated so many people in the same fucking font like if you went through like the roster for 2021 like let me fucking tell you the people the boys the girls like they all absolutely were from the same mother and father like it is crazy they're all siblings and they like i could i will show you like where where's my phone i have my phone i need this okay they're all from the same mother and father i love you this is one person which also this is horrific. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:36:27 This is one person. Wait, what? No, no, no, no, no, no. No, but this is one person, right? And his new girl looks like you. Hello. Okay. And then this one looks like him. Looks like him.
Starting point is 00:36:40 And then currently. They're brothers, basically. Well, they look. Then currently. Well, currently. And also looks like them. I then. They're brothers, basically. Well, they look. But then currently. Well, currently. I. Also looks like them. I fucking knew something was happening.
Starting point is 00:36:49 The minute you walked in the fucking door, I was like, are you fucking friends or are you fucking? What is happening? And I didn't want to say something. No, no, no. I appreciate that. Oh, my God. No, I appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:37:03 This makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. No, everybody. Everybody looks alike. There appreciate that. This makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. No, everybody, everybody looks alike. There was like, but I,
Starting point is 00:37:08 I did, but I did have like, I did have a phase also where I was only dating blonde women. Like you and I absolutely would have kissed like a hundred percent. Cause that's like your character on sex life. Yes. We still can. We can.
Starting point is 00:37:23 It's a whole thing. The internet's like, do it. Do it. No, but a whole thing the internet's like do it do it no but yeah partners like in the fucking room yeah do it no but yeah please but it's like i did have a phase where it was all people why do you think that i'm i'm subliminally a method actor i never thought i would be one of those girls but i really am anything she's going through i'm going through i didn't have chlamydia. I did. Oh, rip. How has been managing fame and like friendships and relationships?
Starting point is 00:37:51 Like how are you dealing with it? The coolest thing is that like I just felt so embarrassed for being so sensitive and so emotional as a kid. And now that is literally my job is to talk about how emotional and sensitive I am. And though that is sometimes scary and I still get in my head about it um believe it or fucking not um I now have like a community of people around me that actually like celebrate that part of me which is very different from how I was viewed as a kid because I was always made fun of or called a ticking time bomb for that. And so in a weird way, fame has helped me. I guess.
Starting point is 00:38:34 What a fucking L.A. sentence of me to say, but it is true. It really has. And I feel very supported, and I also feel very okay. Is it weird, though like how much attention you're getting do you is it not phase you at all um i've always loved to make shit about myself so like i'm actually cool with it like so a family member of mine would die and that was like a performance opportunity for me like i can sing at the funeral and i did i was seven and i sang amazing grace going into the ground. Amazing Grace.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Yeah. May she rest in peace. Do you ever get nervous that people are going to group you into the character that you play on Sex Lives and not focus on who you are individually from that character? I lie awake at night. I lie awake at night. I worried about this before I even existed. Like I think about the shit all the time like I actually so like for Mean Girls like um Broadway Mean Girls not movie Mean Girls
Starting point is 00:39:33 I almost did not take that job like I said no to that job a couple times because I was so scared I was like I don't want to be an actor um I also just to be like super blunt was like I'm not a good act at the time I was like I'm a terrible actor like I'm good at like singing but um yeah I'm always scared of that I'm oh I think about it constantly every conversation that I have is surrounding like does this put me in too much of this way because I have to be seen as this because when I'm not seen as this and I'm not seen as a musician I have a fucking panic attack how are you different than your character Layton on sex lives of college girls so personally like I think I have pretty sick style I think Layton has terrible style somebody said that um what was it oh somebody one time said to
Starting point is 00:40:22 me in an interview and I've never been so moved by a comment ever. They were like, Leighton looks like if Nancy Reagan was a lesbian. And I was like, bro, that is the most accurate shit I've ever heard. Because by the way, let me be so clear, that would not be a good thing. So we're very different in that way.
Starting point is 00:40:44 I fucking hope. Yeah, if you ever see me wearing something that you think would be in her closet come and punch me square in the way there's a lot like blazers and like turtlenecks a mock if that a mock a mock neck if that and not in a hot way i yeah it's just it's just not my personal style it's just not my personal style which also I've heard time and time again okay Renee but you're an actor on a show like that's kind of the whole point is like playing another character I'm like yeah this is why I was not supposed to be an actor right I'm like this isn't I'm I was not supposed to do this do you do you enjoy the show though yeah yeah I enjoy acting I enjoy playing Leighton
Starting point is 00:41:28 I enjoy like having that I enjoy like getting to be with Aaliyah who is my best friend on set every single day like imagine like you have to you have to go to work and you're on set for as many as like 18 hours and you have to be with your best friend. And so if anything goes wrong, your best friend is there with you. Because you're in the same situation. That is a godsend. That is fucking great. I do have to wear those tweed sets though.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Okay, love the show, but I fucking love your music. Thanks, dude. Congrats on the release of your new album, Everything to Everyone. Deluxe edition, which is out now. Everybody go listen yeah what is your favorite song on the album and why my favorite song is in the kitchen me too yeah thanks man thanks my favorite song is in the kitchen um so i started the song in february of 2021 and i was in my house and i was just like at my piano and i started just like playing and i was like basically i was just like getting told a lot that like i wasn't writing deep enough and
Starting point is 00:42:29 as i'm sure you've seen i'm quite feisty so i was like yeah so let me fucking go there then like you want it here another one of my favorite songs is too well thanks and i was just wondering yeah are you down to perform today? I would be incredibly happy to perform today. Let's do it. Okay. I'm going to listen here. This is, for the record, our first time ever playing this song. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Tell me when I am allowed to begin speaking. You begin whenever you want to begin. Okay. Hey, Daddy. Hi. So here's the thing. We'll do too well for you only for you um yeah let's uh too well let's run it up go girl The day I woke up in a good mood for once
Starting point is 00:43:28 The first time in six months I don't hate you as much You weren't there in my dreams I could finally sleep It felt good but it sucks I don't hate you as much It's easier holding a grudge I'd rather be angry than crushed
Starting point is 00:43:44 I'm doing too much I'm back where I started again crying and calling my friends this shit never ends I get so sick of myself can't stop overthinking I heard you're happy somewhere else But I don't forget too well I get so sick of myself Can't stop reminiscing I heard you're happy somewhere else But I don't forget too well
Starting point is 00:44:25 I still see your face I hate hearing your name What a wreck, what a shame I'm replaying that day You called me at eight Two weeks on a break Just to ask for more space You're my biggest mistake
Starting point is 00:44:43 It's easier holding a grudge i'd rather be angry than crushed i'm doing too much i'm back where i started again crying and calling my friends this shit never ends i get so sick of myself can't stop overthinking I heard you're happy somewhere else but I don't forget too well I get so
Starting point is 00:45:16 sick of myself can't stop reminiscing I heard you're happy somewhere else but I don't forget to ask. I get so sick of myself, can't stop overthinking. I heard you're happy somewhere else, but I'm with Alex Cooper on Call Her Daddy, and I don't give a fuck where the fuck you are, motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:45:50 This is amazing. Yeah. Okay. Okay, fine. Are we ready? Right. I'm good. Whenever you guys are ready.
Starting point is 00:45:58 Okay. This is Bruises. I don't know if you even know why this song is written and I will reveal myself right now. Please. So Bruises, obviously I will do it, but it's a very sentimental song about feeling like all my friends make fun of me. The origin story of Bruises, babe, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:46:19 The origin story of Bruises is because I was seeing this girl, and I was staying in my friend Thomas's apartment in New York. And I basically said to Thomas, I was like, guess what I did? And he was like, what? And I was like, I fucked her on your couch. But I thought, you got to understand that I didn't go to college. So I thought, I was like, oh like oh this is gonna be like a bonding moment Like you know if like your friends are like in college like if my friend came to me and was like I
Starting point is 00:46:51 Like had sex with this person on your couch. I'd be like oh Tell me how it went that it was like wasn't received that way which I now get in hindsight like that's super weird But I just I don't know I was like I hadn't seen a girl in a while either and so I was just so excited I was like ah I was like this is so cute and um they didn't think that was like funny or cute and I get that I really do get it and so I wrote bruises I know no no so they were making fun of me that night. And they were like, Renee, apologize to Thomas. And I was like, guys, what? I was like, apologize for what?
Starting point is 00:47:30 And they were like, for having sex on his couch. And then saying it in like a confident manner. And I was like, you guys are so mean to me. And I was like, my friends just, they just make so much fun of me. And that's why i wrote bruises i spent 22 years of my life trying not to freak out trying not to be needy I go through six different moods at a time I'm happy then losing my mind Quick transition to crazy
Starting point is 00:48:13 It's not fair I've got acetone for veins I'm so sensitive Just one touch and I feel pain All my friends make sweet fun of me I guess it's funny, but the truth's I bruise easily And sure, I'm down to be the joke Metaphorically though, you could flip me inside out and they would show
Starting point is 00:48:44 Black, purple, and green, yeah, I bruise easily I've spent 365 days and 52 weeks in my brain Going over the same thing that girl said when we was in fourth grade I take everything personally I've always hated that about me I've tried to be cool and chill but it's not fair I've got acetone for veins I'm so sensitive Just one touch and I feel pain
Starting point is 00:49:22 All my friends make sweet fun of me I guess it's funny But the truth's I bruise easily And sure, I'm down to be the joke Metaphorically, though You could flip me inside out And they would show Black, purple, and green
Starting point is 00:49:45 Yeah, I bruise easily I bruise, I bruise easily Black, purple, and green You hurt me, oh I bruise, I bruise easily Please don't fucking swing it It hurts me, my friends make sweet fun of me But the truth's I bruise easily
Starting point is 00:50:20 And sure, I'm down to be the joke Metaphorically though, you could fit me inside out and they would show black purple and green yeah i bruise easily fuck yay renee what the fuck thanks dude you are so fucking talented i cannot thank you enough for coming on call her daddy the world is gonna lose their shit but i was the first one to lose my shit because it's an honor to have you on the show this is the most fun thing i've done in 25 years and i'm 23 don't stop this is the best i best. I love you. Thank you. Dude, thank you. I love you so much. Thank you, princess.
Starting point is 00:51:06 Thank you.

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