Call Her Daddy - Sonja & Luann: Pirates, Palm Beach & Picking Up Men

Episode Date: September 30, 2026

Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Sonja Morgan and Luann de Lesseps! Sonja and Luann look back on their wildest years on The Real Housewives of New York City and reflect on the friendship, lessons, and adventures that have brought them to their next chapter together, The Golden Life. They give their unfiltered takes on former castmates, relive some of their most iconic moments from the show, and set the record straight on what really went down during the most unhinged ones. Enjoy! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Sonia Morgan and Luanda Lus Epps, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you for having us, Alex. It's our first time here, so we're so excited. I am so thrilled to have these two icons in the building with me. Okay, I was thinking about it. You guys changed reality television forever for over a decade on Real Housewives.

You're just so fun and chaotic, off the cuff. And I just, I cannot wait to talk with you guys today. We're going to talk reality TV. We're going to talk toaster ovens. We're going to talk pirates. We're going to get into it all. Cabralesque. Okay, tell me about the outfits.

You guys clearly didn't get dressed together. No, we did not get dressed together. And, you know, when I was looking at the podcast, I think I watched Andy and I watched a couple other people on the podcast. Everybody was so casual. So I was like, you know, I wouldn't wear a statement necklace and be comfy because I'm flying out tonight. and I love that you've dressed for comfort.

Thank you. Sonia, how did you pick your outfit? I just decided I wear whatever was on the hotel floor. Here I am, fresh as a daisy. Okay. In sequence, looking fabulous. Looking so good. And you love a statement necklace, so we love that for you.

Louise. Okay, your new show, The Golden Life, is coming out October 20th. I think I can speak for everyone when we say, thank God. God, thank God, you're back. Can you tell me a little bit about this cast? Because obviously, we are getting a lot of OG Rooney people back together. How did it come to be? Well, Luanne and I had been working on it for a few years since we were surprisingly not doing our life story series any longer. And we were meeting with different. Yeah, the one-offs weren't pulling it, you know. So we were always interviewing with different networks and it was just timing and the money.

came together. So thank God, but thank E-network. Well, we've got a lot of life left to live. I mean, we did 20 years of, you know, the OG cast. For the OGs, did you guys have any say in the cast? Like, oh yeah. It started with me and Lou, right? I'll say that. We weren't sure if Ramona would join. Timing was very, very good for us with Ramona because she was not with her serious boyfriend any longer. Oh, and if the serious boyfriend, if they were together. Well, how many cocktail parties can he go to? Okay. Well, Ramona wasn't going to go on TV if she was still very serious. If Ramona was very seriously involved with the financier from New York,

she wasn't really happy to go back on TV. But she's in between boyfriend, so she has less. Oh my God, this worked out perfectly. Pose before bros, babe. Well, more maybe because they broke up. Yeah, right, yeah. Yeah, you're right. It was broke.

We don't speak to you. Fomo. Let's fit that way, right? And then maybe she's also like dump him for now, film, then get back with him. I've heard people do that. I didn't do that for Love Hotel. So I skipped it. Okay.

The show kind of follows you in Palm Beach and we also have later in the Hamptons. Sonia, what is the biggest difference between living in Palm Beach and New York? Wardrobe. Tell me. Well, they have men everywhere, right? Oh, okay. That's not hard for us. No, no.

I would say wardrobe because in Florida you wear pink and green and white and very summery colors and florals. The Hamptons is a little more, it's like street wear. It's New York chic. But linen, for sure. So we're not wearing this obviously in the Hamptons. Would you wear this in Palm Beach? Yes. But I wouldn't wear this in the ham.

You could wear anywhere, darling, for breakfast. I mean, look at us. Well, sometimes I wake up with this on the next day, and it will be for breakfast. You'll just show up to brunch. Yeah. Okay, that's fair. Run right into brunch. Dinner to brunch.

You know, listen, Palm Beach, and it's like apples and I don't know. Yes. Or oranges. Or lemons. You said Luan in the trailer, the libido is more active in Palm Beach. Yeah. Explain. Well, I think that, you know, there's a lot of women looking for men. So there's a lot of estrogen going around on the streets.

So the libido was high. No, I was just thinking about what makes you warmer and hornier in Palm Beach is the sun. The sun. And being outdoors. Okay, explain to me the difference in the Palm Beach men versus the New York men. Well, most of the men my age are married, the good ones. And then the younger guys all have very wealthy girlfriends or fiancés and they're visiting the girls' family. That's what I discovered after I moved there.

I don't really go out much on season. So the crowds just drive me nuts. Dating the men are very generous in New York. That's the difference. The men in New York, they like to take you out and spend a lot of money. If you're in a retirement or semi-retirement mode, so I'm going to have to start going out, Alex, on season because that's when the single guy's come down when it's cold. I was going to say, what about like the recently divorced? Do we like recently divorced men or no? Or widowed. Ritowed. Ramona said I should be checking those obituaries.

See if any of my friends are on there. Oh my God. That's literally your version of like Tinder. Exactly. Much better. So much better. Because I know their backgrounds. You don't know what you're going to get on Tinder. Or the home good sections of any department store. I always talk about that. Like they always need a toaster or they always need, you know, a wrench. A toaster. A toaster. And they're wandering around and you can say, hello, boys. Let me show you how to use a toast.

Well, as Bethany said, on my dating app, I have, I'm a professional toaster oven love and chef. And do you think that that is what really gets men going? Yeah. They really like that. Yes, they do. Alex. You know you have to feed your man first.

Once they're fed, there's only one thing they're thinking about. Mine likes to cook. So that's, you know, I kind of manifested a chef. but I and he is like a self you know self-made chef okay meaning that he loves to cook and I love that about a man and are you actually a good cook sonya well I was on you know worst cooks celebrity worst cooks I sat the whole kitchen on fire as you know so let's pretend you find a man in the obituary section he's ready he wants to come over what are you cooking him well I'll make him fillet of soul or rack of land I've had the flames and I've cooked for her

several times in the toaster. And it's okay. It was okay. Hold on, hold on. I just cooked for Kelly Ben-Simone. It was so good. You're putting a rack of lamb in the toaster oven. Did you see Emerald the chef?

Right after I came out with the toaster, and I had been talking to Martha Stewart about it for a while. Next thing, Emerald comes out with the toaster oven, you know, demonstrations. It's just a great way to live. You don't heat up your whole kitchen. You don't have to drain your electricity bill. You have more time for yourself and your man afterwards. And you feel like you're cooking the fish enough.

in the toaster. Eight minutes. It's thin. It's thin. I guess she cooks in 18 minutes in the toast. Oh, I got to come over for a meal. Oh, you'll love it. You need to know this as a new mom because the kids like to also cook with you.

Okay. And no one's having any like, you know, diarrhea after. Everyone's good? Not after my cooking, no, but other things, yes. She likes my eggs at her front sauce. Oh, yeah, it's very good. That's time I came over, she put her caviar on. I know.

She has the new caviar. I work on a caviar brand. Oh, congratulations. That's so boogie of you. I love that for you. So why not have caviar and eggs in La Francaise in the morning? Why should it be for cocktail parties? Let's have it in the morning.

It's sexy. I mean, to have it. She knows what she said. What? She goes, I just want everyone to be able to afford it. It's more affordable. I mean, you. The 1% that buys caviar is going to be able to afford.

Well, the 1% is a lot. Let's not discount the 1%, okay? I'm not okay. Okay. I love that for you. That's so boogie. It's like, why not have a caviar line if you can have a caviar line? So, countess.

Now, I want to know, your guys' thoughts on the new, new seasons and cast of the Real Housewives of New York City. Obviously, like, have you guys watched it? Do you just see it on the news? Like, what's your relationship? I'm not, you know, I catch it here and there. And listen, I think that we have very big shoes to fill. And I think they're different women. And, you know, there's a room for all of us. So, you know, we wish them the best. The good answer. You were obviously both on Roney with Carol. now she's back, were you surprised? Yes, you were.

I wasn't surprised because of Bravo con. I was surprised because when Carol filmed with us, she always acted like, you know, she wasn't in 100%. She was always like, well, this is a bit beneath me. You know, she always gave that air. And then when she decided to do that, after so much time off, I was shocked.

But I did hear through the grapevine that she's been a good addition. Okay. So do you think she's 100% in now? No, I don't know about that. She's a friend status. It's called friend status. You know, like I said, I can't remember where I said that, but I said, you know, what

was she doing before, right? She wasn't that busy. So she's like, everyone needs a job. And then she did it like a TikTok or something which said, I'm retired. I'm going fishing. And so I text her and go, how's the fishing going for you? She laughed. She goes, that was the best shade you've ever thrown me.

That's actually amazing. Okay. Speaking of Carol, she was married. to Anthony Radswell. Did you guys watch Love Story? Did you see the show? Love Story? Okay.

Did any of you, either of you, ever have any run-ins with, I don't know, JFK Jr. back in the day? I did not. I think Sonia might have. Yes. I was living in Europe. You know, this was before Wi-Fi. Everywhere you went, it was just the same group. Before Wi-Fi.

So you go to the park. There's John-John. You go skiing. There's John-John. And I used to hang out at... We're calling him John-John-John? Yeah, the Michael Todd Room. at the Palladium.

And so Madonna was there and John John and so many other people. So many other. And it was just like this, you know, a couch of people. No one cared if you were famous or you just got in because you were cool. And there were no cell phones. I love that you're on. Before fame was fame. You know what before fame was fame?

Simpler fame. Wait, why do you call him John John John? Because he's the, he's the junior. John John John Jr. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. John John John.

Everyone says John John John. Okay. Okay. So you had a little run-ins with Madonna. You were just, you were making your way around. the people. Absolutely. I was 14 years old at Studio 54. Oh, so? With a chaperone. Oh, with a chaperone. Oh, with a chaperone. My aunt from upstate New York. Oh, you had a cool aunt. She loved all that. You know, I was modeling and all that. It was fun. I love that for you. And you know, her daughter, Lourdes comes to my cabaret shows because I know Madonna from Switzerland, actually, because she was a big friend of Valentinos who used to have New Year's Eve parties in Stad. So that's where I spent my, the 90s was I was like missing for, I missed a decade in New York. So I miss a lot of pub culture from that time.

Well, that's not a bad thing. No, no, it was great. Do your kids know how cool you are? Not really. Not really. But we start to figure it out. When we hear about how it is for young people today, we start to understand things were so much simpler.

And everywhere you met, you met people, and you didn't leave until you were ready to leave. You didn't go home and listen to your answering machine and say, oh, gosh, he was at another place. Well, we were waiting on phone calls. You know what you remember? It's like, oh, you know, leave me a voice. Yeah.

You didn't leave me a voice. Or you go to the... I'm talking at home, you know. Or you go to the pay phone and you call into your answering machine. And then you're like, that's 20 blocks from here. I'll take the one I have. One in the hand is better than two in the bush. Do you two still have a landline?

No. I do not. I still have a fax machine, which people think is we... They think it's weird. They still sell them. What do you do with your fax machine? Lots of banks, medical offices. Lots of bank.

And schools always want you to use a fax. My friends at lunch yesterday at the Bel Air, you know what they told me? They said, you could just do it on your cell phone. You can email from your cell phone. Like what schools are you faxing? What are I asking you to fax? Quincey only, you know, Quincy, you know my daughter. She only really graduated a short time. Okay, so you're over there faxing. You're a very involved mother. A faxie. You're a faxie. You're a faxie faxer. Okay, I am going to play a little game with you guys. I'm going to say a superlative and you're going to tell us which of your Golden Life cast members

fits the bill the most. Ready? Most likely to show up late to the reservation. And you? You've been late this whole season as well. I think we're tied. And what about Ramona? Come on.

Ramona's been late. She leaves early. She thinks she's the queen of Palm Beach. Oh, is Ramona the queen of Palm Beach? No. She thinks she's the queen. There's a difference. You're like, sweetie.

Do not get it twisted. Absolutely not. Okay. So do we have. a queen of Palm Beach in our group? Not really. Okay. To quote Luanagan. Not really. Why are you guys always... Let me just say, to be fair, Ramona has a lovely group of girlfriends, and they like to socialize. Oh. And do you want to be friends with her friends? I know a lot of friends, but I really don't like socializing at big parties. I'm a reckless. But I will... Oh my gosh.

Okay, never mind. I just was going to tell you, Ramona gets up in the morning. She has her breakfast. she goes to tennis. Then she has, you know, lunch, then she goes to golf. And then she goes to dinner. After dinner, a little tete-a-tete.

Oh, so she's busy. Every day. Do you think that's why she's late? That's why she's late. Yeah, because we're like not her first choice. Oh, you're not like, you guys kind of are not tier one. How does that make you feel?

Well, I wouldn't call us not tier one, but she's got a lot of social stops on the way. So either she's late or she's early, or I mean, she leaves early. Okay, and absolutely. She's like she's got many things on her schedule. Why are you too late? I'm just like some on Sonia time, you know, I just,

I always think, oh, five minutes is an hour for me. We're respectful. I like to get there late and I'll leave a little early for large events. But when it's just us, I'm on time. Okay, perfect. Okay, who is most likely to never pay you back? I think we all pay each other back. We never loan anything to each other because we know we might not get a bet.

Okay, that's fair. Yeah. So you're all accountable with the money. I don't remember loaning anyone. Yeah. Well, we don't really, you know, production pays. Yeah. We don't need loans.

Okay, perfect. Who's most likely to take home the bartender? Donia. It was a big lead-in. Or some randa sitting at the bar. Well, as long as it's not a bar I go to regularly, because I don't like to burn bridges. So if I'm in another town. Wait, what do you mean burn bridges?

Well, I don't want to go back to the bar and I already had sex with the bartender. Okay. That doesn't work. That's like sleeping with a bravo, I don't do that. Why, you might get free drinks. I mean, no, I get free drinks. If you put out for the bartender, maybe you get some free drinks. I mean, I would do that. I get free drinks without sleeping with the bartender because they just want to see how I operate. Okay, so I see what you're saying. Like, you don't want to be like, oh my God, I just saw him last night in my bed,

and now I want to go back here with my friends and I have to see him again. So maybe if you're going to a different bar, that's maybe not your go-to. Out of town on tour. Oh. Honey, I did 46 cities in a year and a month, so I had plenty of opportunity. I would say the best was Monterey. Oh, was he a bar? I love her. She's too busy at the bar and I'm like on stage killing myself doing cabaret. He was in the front row with his father, his mother, his sister. I'm so jealous. I'm performing sonia and you said he's in the front row with his brother, his father's mother and his sister. And the whole time they were like, and so when I

had the meet and greet, they all came to that. And I just said, any, meeny, mindy, because his brother was hot too. And you're working your ass off. And she's doing, I'm touring around globally now. I mean, I'm doing Australia, England. Glens with the Countess Cabaret. And so is Sonia. She got back from you were in Australia. I just got back from Australia. Yeah, so we're touring around the world now, which is crazy. Oh, yeah, we are. It's amazing. Up next is Ireland and England. I got a new song. I can't wait for you to hear. Oh, my God. Give me a little something. Give us a little something. Give us a little something. Well, okay. To all the boys I've loved before who traveled in and out my door.

Oh! Those boys who came along, I dedicate this song. to all the boys I've loved before. I'm so excited for my dinner. It's a dance version. It's very romantic. It's coming out on October 9th, actually. She's your biggest hype woman. Well, you were just doing that.

I remember when we were at Watch What Happens Live, our first season together on Real Housewives. And I was just like, and you have no idea. She's always performing. Broadway hits off the cuff. It's nice to have a friend like that, though, that's like, there's no jealousy. You're just like, oh, my God, I love this world.

She's very, very good. No, we're supportive of each other. And listen, I have a friend. I did a video while we were filming in Palm Beach for the song. So you're going to see all of it coming up on the new season of the show. Congratulations. Yeah, and you're going to see Sonia perform as well. Okay.

Now, back to the rancher. Where do you take him after you meet him? Jolly Rancher. I have a hotel right next door. He's jelly now. Right on Main Street. Honor, I played right after Jerry Seinfeld. I was proud that I sold out as well.

His tickets were $750 each. Mine were $75 each. You know what, sweetie? The details, who cares? Yeah, I love that about you. You sold out. I sold out. You sold out. We are, which is great. Oh my God. What about, I couldn't believe when Alex called me to do. Oh my God. On well Vegas. This woman shows up and you were like, on that stage, you're on with Kathy Hilton. You guys are doing, you're dancing. I'm like, what are they doing up there?

It was truly the most chaotic insane thing. I had no, and also we had like, practice nothing. So we had no idea what she was going to do. She's off the cuff. And she just goes on stage. We all were like, it was incredible. And I had to teach cover. to my comedian girlfriend from Wymara. She should do stand-up, don't you think? She should do stand-up. Well, I do stand-up. Sonia and your city.

I know, but I want her to be like, by the way, you know what? I can't believe you said stand-up because I just did a little practice. You weren't there. Kids Squid and Sack Harbor. I tried a little sit down with Sonia, unscripted. Because what I noticed, being number one on cameo,

I'm like, why? Why? And then when I do Sonia in your city, I say they're not coming for a show. They're coming to tell me, all their situations, marriage, divorce, having a baby, coming out, difficulties. And I'm like, okay, it's going to be this kind of night. How many cameos are you making a day?

At least 12. Whoa. While I'm filming, it's been hard. Yeah, she's killing cameo. I do cameo as well, but she's really on. Number one. Well, some days I'm at 28, and I panic. I'm like, you know, 28.

Oh my God. How am I going to survive? You know what is my biggest takeaway from this cameo thing? is that, you know, we hear so much that the show has given them, you know, gotten them through law school. It's gotten them through cancer. It's made me connected to my mother, you know. So after all the work we've done in television for this long, it really feels nice that people

can take that away and that we can do something to help other people in that way, which is forget about your life and entertain. And that's why we do what we do in terms of my, you know, Cabaret saved my life in so many ways. Right, right. And I talk about that on, on my life. my tour and, you know, and for Sonia too, you know, that comedic relief and the creative part of what we do and the people that really take away from it is really. It's amazing.

It's a big deal for people when they buy those tickets. They plan ahead. Sometimes I sell the balcony out first because those are the affordable tickets. Three months in advance, they're booked. Got to make it affordable. And, you know, the front row sells out last minute because those are the people that can afford to wait. and wait and they just fly in with a private jet

with all their girlfriends and they get in the front road and it's crazy people are shaking sweating crying you guys are you are business women through it through and I love that about you well what are you talking Alex you're so young and so accomplished great marriage this isn't about me we're moving on okay she's got it all good what you got for us

okay who is the most likely to lie in a confessional not me I'll tell you everything whatever you want to know who's most likely to complain about not having enough screen time. Ramona. I was going to say Ramona. But why would I say that?

Because she doesn't want to film as much as we are. That's true. She's semi-retire now and she doesn't want to any drama. We don't really compete for screen time. Actually, why did I say semi-retiretire? She just doesn't want to work that hard. She doesn't want that much screen time.

Screen time. But she's doing everything she does is gold. Right. I mean, I can't wait for you to see. Golden. Oh, it's golden. It's golden. It's golden.

I can't wait. You know, Alex, it's golden. It's golden. We got to get that plug in there. I never thought I would do this again. But you know. But here we are. Because I love my girls.

And I have 60 best girlfriends, but I love these girls too. Okay. Who is most likely to date a friend's ex? Not me. A friend's ex. Helly would never. Ramona would never. We won't get into it.

And Dorinda doesn't date that much. Okay. Sonia, I feel like your friends have a way of kind of like dating people that you have dated in the past. Why do you think you're such a trail? blazer with men. Well, I just think it's a good housekeeping seal of approval if I'm out with someone and spending my time because I'm usually reclusive.

So if you see me out with a guy, you know, they have good manners. They're, you know, of means. They're generous. So maybe you're the woman. And good people. And so then other women are like, oh, what does she see in him? Maybe I could take him for a spin. Oh, yeah.

Well, you saw her in the trailer. She's got her hands up my boyfriend shirt. Yeah, yeah. But Ramone and I did that to be cheeky because we were like, how do you like it now, Lou Ann? Yeah. I don't find it threatening, darling. You don't.

Did I say threatening? Michael's going nowhere. We thought it was a joke. So is that who in the trailer you say? No, I was mad. I was mad. You were. I was like, but then Ramon and I were like, how do you like it?

Because she did ask us to dance with them. And he was into it too. No, I said, you know, take the girls first fin because there was no men to dance with. Right. I gave them an inch and they took the whole Bratworth's, okay? We're just thing ourselves. So you're like trying to share your man. Yes, it'd be nice.

And then they took a little advantage. Exactly. We're just thinking. I was not happy about it, but then we worked for it. Is that the moment in the trailer you say she loves to flirt with any man who is mine? That's right. Are you referring to Sonia? No.

I don't flirt with other people's men. But I will tell you, the girls, I'm not bringing any, I will not bring any of my. I'm the only one that is a man. I will not bring my men around anymore because they cannot be trusted around the girls. Hold on. Pause, Luan. So do you disagree that Sonia will maybe flirt with your man? Well, you know, I don't have a problem with threatening.

I have a problem with putting one's hands up on your boyfriend's shirt. That's rightly so, right? I mean, I'm not the jealous tie. But I was like, okay, this is gone too far. I was kidding around. Now I had to pull him out by his belt. I was kidding around. Luann was, Luann said to dance with Michael, Ramona got up first and then I joined her.

And we were both bumping him from the side and having fun. And then I thought I'd show off his belly. Why not? Just why not? He's got a great body, that's for sure. Oh, does he have a nice body? Oh, yeah. Okay.

Well, you know, I'm not into good-looking guys. Like, your husband's way too good-looking, not interested. So, yeah. I like really, really, like some bald and chubby. If I'm going to get nude, I like them a little bit more, you know, my speed. Okay, so you like a little bald, little belly, little, um. She likes to be the pretty one. You want to be passionate.

Okay. So you want. Generous caring. I see. So like personality on 10. looks. Don't care. Now, okay, why are you not bringing your men around the girls anymore? Because I don't want to see them showing up every time. Everywhere I go, it's the pirate, it's Harry, it's, you know, Tom, and I'm just like, I'm not bringing them around.

Let's not make this about Tom, okay? I really don't want to see them in my friend group after I'm done. Okay, so you're feeling like maybe the girls keep the guys around that you recirculating. And it's not, you're not interested. How do you feel about that, Luann? Well, you know, we do get to see Harry around this season of the show, right, in the beginning. He's everywhere. At this point, he's a friend. Do you mean? He's like, another housewife at this point?

Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he still interested. And he loves to be on the show. No, but he's still interested in me. And his family adores me, but I'm not interested in a man that wants to be on the show. Or date my girlfriends. Does it freak you out if a guy is really interested in your career on television?

Like, not interested. It's never been my thing. Like, remember Jacques was always great on the show? Jack. Right? And, you know, Michael is just, you know, he's great because he's just, he's comfortable with who he is and he's a real man. So he's there to support me.

He's not there to steal the camera. In fact, he always says that I'm here to, you know, let you shine. Yeah. Men that want the spotlight kind of freak me out. That's like a little freak. No, he doesn't care about that. He's there to support me. And the guys I like are very kind of grumpy.

They're like, oh, you talk to me kind of guys. You know, my ex I'm thinking of and other boyfriends. I like a guy that is more. discreet, quiet, hides himself away, has a very solid, stable family lifestyle. And a big peepy. And not looking, oh, no, I don't need big. Private plane, darling.

Oh, private plane. Not the peepy we all thought of. Right. I'm not interested in private planes or yachts or private islands anymore. I'm not going to try to replicate what I had. Sonia. Had it over it. So you had it and now you're like if they have one,

is that a no-no for you? Depends on the guy. If money is his God, no. If, you know, my ex-husband didn't care about all that. What if he has a yacht? If he has a yacht. We got the yacht? If he has a yacht.

Get it for me, at least what? Because he looks at it as a place to have family and entertain. Okay. But if, you know, the problem when you have a yacht, you really can't afford to take it out with just two people. You're going to see a lot of yard parties. Okay. On the show, you know, which we're excited about.

We're doing a lot of really fun things on the show. And let me tell you, something just never changed. Like, our relationships are still like, you know, all over the place. But as we're friends, you know, we're tight and we get through it. And I think that's, you know, hopefully inspirational for everyone out there. Like if you have a real friendship that you should stick to it and work through it, you know. I think that's why we also, aside from your guys' amazing personalities, your relationship. singing sister. It's beautiful because it's like we're looking at women who I think there's so many

interesting things. Obviously, we can always talk about on podcasts of dating and what's going on. But female friendships are so beautiful. And the fact that you guys have been through ups and downs with this entire cast and you still come back together is really beautiful. Now, I know Bethany isn't filming on the show. Do you guys keep in touch with her? What's the vibe? Well, Sonia has been in touch with her more than I have. I mean, we will always have. have that house always history. Do you know what I mean? It's not like we see each other, but, but that history will always be there. And, you know, I only wish her the best. And Sonia, I think, did something with her in Paris. Yeah. But I so I can tell you this story, which is very interesting. I was in Palm Beach. I never run into Ramona. I never run into Bethany. So I'm at

bingo. Oh, at the hotel. At the colony. Do you frequent bingo often? Yes. Bingo and church every week. So I'm facing the bar. So people in the room don't know it's me because I'm very, you know, reclusive. And Ramona has her table and she's wearing all her fabulous palm leaves and jewelry and diamonds and all of a sudden I see Bethany. On plant. On this? Oh, really? Was it unplanned? Hold on, hold on that. I'll get to you. She knows where they go. Give me a second. I think Alex wants to hear this. So we're at this place, unplanned. She walks up to me and she goes, did you know Ramon is here? And I'm like, no. It got. Because she's so spontaneous, Bethany, isn't she? Hold on. I need to tell this, Alex.

So she got very emotional. So did I. So did Ramona. Because when you don't have cameras on you and you're not trying to put out 22 episodes under the pressure, you just love each other. We always love each other. The thing about us is we're very unfiltered. We do love each other and we accept each other the way we are after we get over the pain of what came out of our mouth. I think she had it all planned. And you think that Bethany wanted to see. No, no, no. She just happened to be the way. chance. The woman never goes to Palm Beach community. How would she know I was going to be there? I didn't tell her. Ramona didn't tell. Do you ever post about going to bingo? I'm going to say yes. No. What do you think she wanted out of it, Luann? I think she wanted out of it to kind of, I don't know, do a little intel as to what's going on with us and take the girls away from the show possibly because they had to leave the show during filming to go on this trip. That wasn't planned. Here's what happens. So we ran into each other there. And I just think the universe is wild like that. Why were we in the same place in the universe right there in that spot?

One room. Within one room. So you're skeptical. You feel like it was fate. No, everyone knows I don't tell stories. We really ran into each other. And so what happens is she was already planning to take us for Rock, this huge multi-million dollar campaign.

Okay. For skin care. Uh-huh. And I'm like, Paris? Didn't ask me. When would you ever think that me, Ramona and Bethany, these loud Americans on reality TV, would be invited to Paris to do a French skincare line? It's very chic.

But I always say, hardly any Parisians live in Paris anymore. One of the most infamous moments from Roney was the scary island trip in St. John. Now, I want to just have, Sonia, why don't you walk us through? What do you remember that happened at that dinner? Like set the scene for us. Take us back for a second. So first of all, that was my first season. I had no idea what the show was about. Never watched it.

And I see Kelly spiraling. And I see the girls like digging and digging and pushing it. I'm like, okay, this has to stop. I couldn't believe it personally. So that's the first time I spent the night in the same room as Ramona. And we've done it every trip since. Because I only had one umbrella to wedge the door. I was afraid Kelly was going to come and be like,

like she was really, so I said, Ramona, can I stay with you? Psycho killer. Kes who say. Exactly. So you thought she was going to come in in the middle of the night. Yes, if you and Ramona were together, you'd be safe. So I wedged my umbrella, her umbrella on the sliding doors, and we slept like babies. When we woke up, Kelly was gone.

She walked the plank. Now, when you, obviously you guys are no strangers to girls trips. For you, when you look back at all of the girls' trips you've been on, what do you think was the most disastrous for you personally? Oh, Cartagena. Yeah, we almost died. Cartagena. We almost died on that boat.

And then we all had, you know, we had to wear diapers. Sonia had to wear diapers. I mean, I should have worn diapers. Still working on that diaper deal. Yeah, you should get a diaper deal. I know. Yeah, it depends. Okay, so on this season of Ultimate Girls trip, Kyle Richards said that the Beverly Hills

women don't have gastro issues, but the New York women do, obviously, referencing Cartagena. Do you guys want to take a minute to clear your names? How do you feel about it? How do you feel for being known for that now? What do we think? Well, you know, listen, it happens to everyone, right? You go and have a bad piece of fish. And you know, what the crazy part is, is that we all got really ill. I mean, we had to go get, you know, treated for parasites. It was really bad. It wasn't just about the diarrhea. It was about parasites. And it's so funny because the only one that didn't get sick was Bethany because she doesn't eat seafood. or shellfish.

So the bitch is the only one that didn't get sick. How crazy is that? Oh my God. No, you guys with your diapers? Like, she was on the plane with her diapers. I went through every pair of underwear, every bathing soup bottom.

Your bed had to be burned. Oh, I went through two twin beds. That's right. Two twin beds. She started on one side and moved to the other. I also slid through. And Ramona's pooping on the floor. I mean, it was bad.

I slid right through it. Let's go through some girl trips, do's and don'ts. I want your opinions, okay? All right, booking daily group tours and scheduled activities. How do we feel about it if you're on a girl's trip? Not me. I'm more spontaneous than that. Although I do like somebody who likes to organize that kind of stuff.

Okay. I mean, I love a friend that's really organized and I just kind of have to follow along. You're just not going to be that friend. Yes. Okay, you're not going to book it. And Sonia, why are you like, not me? We don't do that. We show up and we entertain.

Okay, perfect. Okay. We bring the party. Now, what about assigning sleeping arrangements ahead of time? We don't do that either. It usually comes down to straws or some sort of a game and, you know, so we can keep Ramona from running to the best room first. That's what's going to say, like, how do you decide who gets the nicest room? Well, we share Ramona night, so we get the biggest room and I get a tub. I like a bathtub. Okay. Are you taking a, like, bath every night? Every night. Every morning? Nope, every night. Every night. Okay. I love a bath. I think it's important. How do you feel if you had to bunk up with someone other than Ramona? Like, do you... I don't mind staying at Luanne's home.

She takes great care of me and it's very peaceful, very European style. But I mean, sometimes when I stay at Ramona's like I get annoyed with that music. She blasts it. Every morning, bam. Okay. So how do you feel about if one of the women stays in on a night where the group is going out? They don't like it. I would love to do that.

I don't have FOMO. I have no fear of missing out. I'm happy to stay home and rest. between. Is there ever an instance where it's acceptable with the group? Like if you're like, I got to stay home because of no. They don't like it. Even if you're shitting yourself. Well, well, they really like you to show up to their events and support. You got to be there. I feel like what do you need me for? You have everybody else. We love you, Sonia. Okay, how do we feel about bringing a guy back to the shared house? I flew in that one. Well, I mean, listen, that famous

story. Be cool. Don't be like, all on cool. Okay. And it was because, you know, Ramon and I were single. Sonny, I don't know where you were that night, but we went out and we brought the guys back to the house. You know the whole story. So I feel like we're grown women, right? If we want to bring somebody that we like back to the house into our room,

then why not? Do we feel like we have to ask permission or what do we think is the boundary? Oh, yeah, I'm going to wake up, you know, Sonia at 2 o'clock in the morning. Hey, do you mind if I bring a guy into my bed? She'd be like, what? Are you kidding? Can I come?

I think at that point, a late evening, you're just trying to, you're just trying to close the deal. That's asking for a threesome right there. She's like, are you, is this your way of saying, should I get up? Yeah, should I get into bed? So, and how do we feel about the morning after? We're in a house with all the women. Are we immediately getting the man out of there?

Is he staying for brunch? No. Not the back door, Jack. Out the back door. Back door. Yeah. I like him after 11 and out by 7 personally. Will you?

Say that again? After 11 and out by 7. Okay, that's kind of, that's a good rule. Yeah, because you don't want to see him in the morning. It's a night shift. And do you stay, do you stay in bed and just say leave or do you walk him out? What are we doing? One more little snuggle.

And then you can go. Because you know, morning is always good. I like the walkout. I think it's very. Classy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then that's all you're getting is the morning. How do you feel?

It's only time they can get it up is the morning sunrass. Sonia, you have once called a walk of shame, a victim. lap. Can you kind of paint the picture for me? What comes to mind for some of your best victory laps? Like the morning after, tell me. Well, I only, I mean, I said that because when I came on the show at first, I was the only one dating young guys. I was the only one going naked, the only one getting drunk and falling down. What do you mean? I was like the first to do all of that. What about Jacques? He was younger guys. Yeah, come on. My daughter told me, Mom, at a certain, No, at a certain point, Quincy said you have to give up hot pants and you have to give up dating this young hockey player.

And I was like, all right, I'm not giving up the hot pants, but I did give up the guy. Okay, so Quincy was like, mom, he's old enough that I could date him. Exactly. Oh my God, do you think you and Quincy are ever going to argue over a guy? Never, never. But did she like the hockey player? No. No.

Why did she want you to get rid of the hockey player? All my friends loved him. Did she meet the hockey player? She did not. She just heard about him. Well, she knew he was there. He could tell. But she was over the hockey player.

She didn't want you with the hockey player. She just didn't want me dating young guys at that point. He was sticking around for a while for years and years. What kind of hockey player? Like professional? Like New York Ranger. Sonia, you don't. And all the boys met him because we went out several times, you know, with the boys with him.

It's a good cover. Did you ever go to some games? Well, they have a great hockey stick. Yeah, they... I love that for you. Oh, my dear like a wag. He was so smart, very well educated and very well educated and very, very... elegant, nice family, and a great player. Can we revisit the pirate for a second?

Sure. Just to give everyone just like a little tingle, a little happiness, a little fun. Look at Sonia's face. She's like, this is not fun. Okay. Luanne, when you brought the pirate back to the house on that girl's trip in St. Bart's, like, what was it about the pirate that just like got you good? Well, you know, first of all, I thought he was hot. Second of all, I, I was already dating Jacques at the time. Yes, you were. Right? So I brought him back because we had a little marijuana.

Okay. And he'd never been to that house. And that house was like $100,000 a week to rent. And he'd never been to that house. So what I didn't know is we got back to the house with one of the drivers from production, which I thought was a random driver. So the production person put in the girl's ears, asked Luann how she got home. Because they were all sleeping, right?

Sonny. She was sleeping. She had no idea. but she got news in the morning how I got home. Now, he left, I told him to leave at like 3 o'clock in the morning because I have to film tomorrow, et cetera, because I was in love with Jacques. So I never, okay, and he's been on Andy's show at this point.

Did you see him on Andy Cohen show? Oh, Andy Cohen Show. So my little white line turned into a snowball effect, right, by saying that. Tiger never changes its stretch. Oh, stop. Just the age spot. That's what she said on the phone to her girlfriend. Leopard, leopard.

What is your version? So my version is my girlfriend that owns the T-Saint-Barts. She's hooked me up a couple of times with her exes because she brings them over from Paris. So she says, I said to her, I'm having a party. Who? Your friend? Carol. Oh, Carol.

T-Saint Parts. It's not me. So she introduced me to a couple of guys and I got them to New York. They work there. They have restaurants now. So she says, I want you to meet this guy. He's totally matriculated and it's time for him to leave the nest. And I said, okay.

So when he gets to the house, I invited him over. So he's my date. And I say to him on camera, I go, now you sure? Yes, I invited him. And that's how we got there. Where did you think he came from the sky? Come on. Obviously, he came from Sonia's, you know, I am the curator of.

You know what. You got the man. So he comes and the last thing I remember saying to him as I was turning to are you sure you're over Carol? Because I was just teasing him to see if he really wanted to be there. And then the door closed. And I went this way. And then he went that way.

And then the next thing I know, he's at the lower bungalow. not in the fish room, not in the basement of Vermont. The lower level. So to confirm, both of you, neither of you or one of you slept with the pirate. Oh, I slept with the pirate. That was my day. I would wear like a badge of honor. And this way she didn't get sloppy seconds.

So everyone thought you slept with the pirate. Well, he thought he did too because he called me from St. Barton. He goes, I'm coming to New York and I'm taking acting lessons. And I'm going to talk about Luann. and I go, oh, would Tom Cruise do that? If you're going to be an actor, be an actor. If you're going to sleep with someone, sleep with the producer.

Not, you know. So do we want to have sex with him while he's in his pirate gear? Only. Only. Oh, that's what happened. It was a moment. After that, it was never the same. Now, do we-

You saw him afterwards. He's unrecognizable. He now lives in Miami. Doesn't wear on makeup. He has very short hair. And if you see marking down the street, you never recognize him. Not as cute. And Andy Cohen brought him up from New York to confirm, like, what happened?

And he goes, I never slept with Luann. After my tutelage. So you liked him in his pirate outfit and nothing more, nothing less. If I had met him like I did and did what I did, I would have continued to see him here and there in New York. But after I found out that he came home with Luan and was smoking a joint, I mean, I said, eh. You're done. Done. No.

I'm just done. Yeah, but I didn't continue to see him in New York. He was calling me to come to New York. I'm sure he was. I'm sure he was. No, I wasn't interested after that. So we, do we? Where do we go after the pirate?

Do we? Do we like when, do we like to dress up in the bedroom? Dress up in the bedroom. I kind of look better without my clothes. Yeah, exactly. Like Michael's like, my bother with a night. Are we doing a little lingerie? I like lingerie.

Me too. You famously said, Sonia, there's three things for the bidet. There's washing the lingerie. There's icing your face. And then the obvious. Are we still doing bidet laundry? Yes, I like. to use a bidet for those reasons. But it's always

speaking, span clean. You know, as clean as a kitchen sink where you can ice your face, what's the difference? And when you're doing it the obvious way, it's cleaned afterwards. Clean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't sit on a bidet when you really have a problem. I mean, you do what? I don't know if I want to put my face in a bidet. That's all I got to say. Well, it's the thought that gets you. Another way you also have avoided doing laundry. One of your taglines

one season was sometimes Sonia has to go commando. What can I say? What are your guidelines for going Commando. Well, I probably should have gone Commando today because I don't like the panty lines. Oh, wait, like, do you have underwear on right now? I'm got a lot of junk. It's just a junk in the trunk. I have a size of a little. I have a seam cleaner for the couch. I don't like, I don't like those panty lines. Sorry, my pants are bothering me. Hold on. You should have gone Commando. Oh, no, look, but these open like this. I don't know these. No, no, I just, I don't like the panty lines. Okay, so we don't like panty lines. Like, are we wearing, you know, are we going Commando in jeans?

No, God no. Oh, God, no. But we're not... Tight dresses. Tight dresses and maybe pants. Skirts. How do you feel about that, Lou Ann? Thin pants.

You know, I think, you know, wearing jeans or pants without underwear is, you know, it's, um, how do you call it? Not camel toe, but kind of a wedgey. Oh, it feels like it would hurt. You know what I don't like is the G-string thing. That's the dental floss action. Oh, yeah, what's your go-to underwear?

Well, I like hanky-pankies. Commander or they do have a new underwear. There's a couple of companies that do. it that prevent Cameltoe. Okay, good. So you've researched it and you're feeling good. Oh, I'm working on it. Okay, you're working on it.

Okay. Luan, obviously one of your most famous quotes, you referenced it earlier, was your voice text to your then-fiancee Tom when you said, how could you do this to me? Question mark. What was it like finding out that he kissed another woman on camera? Listen, I still married the guy even, you know, because we'd like to believe in the good of people and that people make mistakes. But even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes. Even Louis Vuitton. So you marry him. Do you, looking back, what do you wish you could have told that version of

yourself before you married him? Listen to Sonia. Listen to the red flags. I told her. I told her he was not marriage material. I don't live with regret. You know what I'm saying? No, I'm not somebody to regret. She was going to get married. And I love the man at the time. So, you know, but, you know, we have to make our own mistakes, learn from them and grow from them. It is a good point. Like, I feel like sometimes we can have our friends telling us. Yes. But sometimes we just have to live through the experience because then you're like, okay, I did it.

I know that that wasn't right. But if you ended up going because all of your friends told you to, you could then end up presenting your friends and having regrets. That is worse, right? You're right out. That's worth. You have to make your own mistakes. And I think that's really how you learn.

How do you guys navigate when you see the other person making a mistake, but also wanting to be there for each other? Like how do you kind of sit back and know maybe, oh, they're making a mistake, but I'm not going to judge them. You just wait and don't judge and then let them know you're still there for them no matter what. Yeah. Cute. Okay. There is this misconception that the best days as women are behind you when you're 30, 40, 50.

It's like, okay, it's over. But I feel like you two are just revving up. We're just beginning. You're just getting started. What is the best part about getting older? I mean, for me, the best part is, you know, being in the driver's seat and not having to need a man, right, at this point in life and being busy. And, you know, success is the best revenge, right? And I feel like that at this age, we really, you know, I say this, you know, I cry when I have to and I love who I want to now. Do you what I mean? So that's true. I, you know, I live the life that I want to live now and I don't do things that I don't like anymore. You know what I'm saying? I do things that I love and I lead my life that way. That's why I love cabaret because I write my story. It's my story. Right. And that's, you know, how I lead my life now. I just don't, you know,

I don't want to do things that make me uncomfortable or don't make me happy. I also feel like you both are kind of known for having the best game when it comes to picking up men for the housewives. Like, you guys are really good. What is, Sonia, what do you think is like the sexiest thing about being in your 60s? Well, the thing about being in my 60s is it's bittersweet because you have less time on earth and you start to really value real connection. You know, social currency sort of goes out the window. You don't really care about collecting connections. You have them already.

And you have wisdom to share. And then you start to find your real purpose. I love and get great joy. I love. I love and get great joy out of working with my interns and mentoring them and making sure they get great joy. jobs and see the world and they can tell what they really want to do for their career. What's going on? She's just having a little bit of a, we're having a coffee attack.

You were saying the most beautiful thing. And Luanna, I'm like, Luann's about. Of course, first he reaches for the drink, mid sentence instead of waiting. No, no, no. I actually love that. I'm joking over here. It's like by, that's great advice. It's like by a certain point, you've collected all the good people in your life.

And instead of trying so hard to go and find new people, it's like you get to settle in and enjoy the people that you've collected throughout your life. Have always been there for you. And you really start to learn that because even as a very young girl, I had people around me that wanted access. And then when you marry into a certain family and you have the private eye and the private plane and the yacht, you really see you're attracting people who just want to be in the room. So I'm very much over that period of my life.

But like I said, it's bittersweet because now I'm like, how much longer do I have? Sonia. We got a long way to go, girl. When it comes to dating also, because obviously you're thriving in that department, as you said, you walked around, you picked the rancher, you took him to your hotel room, you're having fun. What do you think is the most surprising thing about dating in your 60s? So the thing about dating at this point for me before I was, you know, my daughter was at home. She was on the fourth floor. I'm on the second floor.

So it was always about having her in bed on time and being there for her when she came home from school. And I just really couldn't commit to some of my age. I was really reinventing myself and hustling. And so I would date guys who were just starting to invent themselves. But now I have had a couple of serious boyfriends the last, I'd say four years, one guy for a year and a half and the last guy for five months. I'm not going to waste another five months. So now at this point, I know when you're dating someone, like I'm 62, the last guy I dated

was 58 and the guy before that 44. You start to really see who you want to spend the rest of your life with. Love that. That's why I'm asking her if she's going to get married to Michael. You have a we feeling two years. Listen, I never say never. I'm a hopeless romantic. Okay.

Three times a charm because I've been married twice now. And I think, you know, dating at this point, in fact, I'm writing about this because I'm doing a next chapter of class with the countess because I have not done that book for Audible. So I'm adding a chapter on this point of dating right now at this time of life. And, you know, it's just so different because, you know, we. We've got our children. We've got our homes.

You know, I look around and go, oh, my God, I have a career. I have my children. I have my cap of race shows. I have, you know, my homes and everything I want and my girlfriends and things. Right. So it's the added extra thing for me, right? And I think when you're happy, this draws people to you. That's all right.

And the right people to you, which is the right energy. Like, I'm in a good place. And so, and I can, I'm pretty good at reading people. And I, you know, when I saw Michael for the first time, I was like, oh, my God, that's like my next guy. You kind of know. Sort of like your first husband. Right.

I married Alex the count after two weeks of knowing him. She knew right away. You know, sometimes I jump too fast. So with this relationship, you know, I am just taking it one day at a time, easy, peasy. But we're happy. But we're happy and we're definitely a couple. And he's definitely my partners. Yeah.

Okay. Louanne, you said on the ultimate girls trip, you want to die having sex. I just need to know from both of you. in which position? Oh, definitely on the bottom. Yeah, that would be kind of... I agree, because who wants to, like, pick the dead body up, throw to the left and say, I'll be right back, darling.

I just have to take a leak and call the ambulance. Okay, so so that you're, like, really relaxed and you're laying down. You're in a good position. Yeah, you're right. You just have to put the hands across now. Well, yeah. Easy cleanup. Easy cleanup. Okay. Luann, there have been rumors that you kissed Southern Hospitalities,

Joe Bradley, who's more than 30 years younger than you. We have to know what went down. You know, that guy, I mean, so much charm. I mean, right? He just has so much charm. I think he's such a great, great guy. And there was definitely chemistry. Okay. There's definitely chemistry. I love how she's trying to like figure out how to answer. She's like, um, and. How much do we need to tell? Well, you know, listen, he had a tracker on him, which I had no idea. Okay. So, of course, we did go to my apartment. We did have a couple of friends with us, though, so I was not alone with him.

Okay. So the truth is, he did come to the apartment. A little, you know, flirt. And, you know, that was it. So who had the tracker on? You're talking about the apple? No, the girlfriend. The girlfriend at the time, I didn't know.

But it was a moment. It was a moment. It was a thing. And listen, there's nothing wrong with the woman my age, like feeling good about being attractive to a guy that's 28 and a half. I'm like, don't say that, 20 and a half. Absolutely. There is nothing at all.

wrong with it. It's so normal for men. It should be normal for women. I will add, though, I cut them off at 27 now because I say at 28, you need to have your own life and go on and get married and have children. Oh, okay. So the 27-year-old, you're like, you can be still fucking around. The 28-year-old, you're like, go get your wife. And sometimes it's just random on spontaneous, you know. So fun. That's the point. It's like, it was so random. And it was just a spontaneous moment that's, you know. Well, that's another thing. You know, and you want to laugh? I'm sitting at Bravo con. Right? And I'm at the bar with Tamara Judge and Teddy. And this woman walks up to me and she goes, hi, I just wanted to say hello. I'm Joe Bradley's mother. She loves you. And she and she couldn't

been, she sat down for half an hour and he said, you know what, I want to thank you for putting that lovely boy on the planet because I think he's so charming and so hot. Right? The mothers love us. For putting him on the planet because I had such a lovely time with him. The mothers. Yes. The mothers love us because we don't want babies. We don't need a pair of shoes. We're not going to get, you know, we're not going to ask for Harry Winston Dime and asking them to buy as an apartment. The mother's like, God bless, Ruan for keeping my son, you know. And they're probably fans. They're like, they love us.

I love season two. And he was with a new girlfriend. He was with a new girlfriend in BravoCon. So I said hello to Joe and his girlfriend. Mother was there. I mean, it was kind of like. It's a family affair. It was really cute.

Okay. Having dated, younger, older, I'm going to list some statements and you tell me who does it better, younger men or older men better banter older men older okay more likely to pick up the bill older both or I'm not going more likely to want to put a label on it

younger older oh okay older's what labels the younger ones are just like they know it's temporary but you've had some younger ones that are like I'm in love with you marry me and they think she's going to have babies

Men are so stupid. They think we can still have babies. I'm like, what plan are you? Let him dream. Okay. Better at Dirty Talk. Older. Older. More likely to send a nude. Younger. What kind of news? Nude, not news. Which kind of nudes? Like a dick pick? The dick picks, yeah. Younger. The hockey player. I'm not, I plead the fifth. Okay. Okay. Are we saving them? you look at them later? I don't have a collection of those. I really don't. Okay, more likely to

ghost you. I've only been ghosted once I thought and then I found out he just didn't have signal in the Hamptons. Younger. Probably younger. We broke up over it. I went to the Hamptons recently at 1 a.m. All these messages were coming in from the guy he was dating for a year and a half when I thought he ghosted me. And he thought I ghosted him. But Ramona's like, why didn't you call each other? That Hampton signal? Let me tell you. It's younger because it's like pick up the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, pick up the phone. Texting. Okay, we need to talk about all the women that are watching. You guys obviously have so much confidence when it comes to flirting with men. So I'm going to give you a little scenario and I want you to tell me how you would handle it.

Are you ready? Yes. Luann, you're at a bar. You see a hot man sitting on a bar stool nearby. How are you approaching him? It's funny you should ask because I talk about this all the time and I'm talking about it when I'm writing right now, which is that, you know, when you're, with a group of girls or whatever alone, right? It's awkward maybe for him to come over to you. It's awkward maybe for you to go over to him, right? You don't seem too, you know, aggressive. So that's when the bartender or waiter comes in handy.

You write a note that says, why don't you join me for a drink? I love it. It's like, it's kind of sexy. Nobody writes notes anymore. And I think it's really cute to get a love note. I love that. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah.

Okay, Sonia, you work an office job. and you have a crush on your co-worker. How do you turn it into something more? I just don't do that. I can't. I've not slept with... Do you see her in an office? That's a better question.

I mean, I don't see so. You'd have to velcro on my ass to the chair. No, no, I don't, I just, I don't date Bravo Lebrides. People ask me at all the time. I just don't. I wouldn't have an affair with someone in the office. What about some of those Southern Charm guys? Yeah, we.

No, no, I've had tete-a-tuts, but that's it. Craig said, what is it? He didn't know. I said, no, it's just, you know, we get together, you know, talk and have fun. I like to party with the Southern Charmed guys. Okay. What do we think about like Austin or Shep or Craig? No.

I like Craig. Okay. But only his friends. Okay. And specify why you're not dating any Bravo liberties. I don't like to burn a bridge in business. It's not good. I see.

Okay. So basically, coworkers are off limits. Absolutely. You would just tell the girl, go find another man down the street. Every Sony in your city, I say that to the girls. You never do it. I love that. Okay, Luanne, there's a hot lifeguard at the pool and Palm Beach.

How do you get his attention? Oh, God. Just sit up. She just gets out of her lounge chair and everybody's looking. She's a bikini babe. How do I get his attention? Well, we were just on the beach, weren't we? The paparazzi.

The paparazzi. Yeah, and Sonny and I had a little... You had a moment. On the beach. What happened? The bathrooms were too fun. So, you know, I think just walking by to go to the bathroom is enough. Making some eye contact.

Make eye contact. It's telling him, you know, what a nice suntan he might have. You know, flirting in that way. You like to play soccer or whatever is that. What's that one? Volleyball. Yes. She gets right in the volleyball.

Oh, Beach Volleyball is a great way to pick up guys on the beach. I've seen it. But are you not joining the beach volleyball so? I'm just watching and learning. What happened with the paparazzi girls? No, no, I was just saying on the beach. Oh, there's a lot of paparice. People noticed I was on the beach.

I see. We were both in People Magazine's top. celebrity bikini bods over 50. Yes, you were. Oh, I love you. Oh, you're 60 or 50. It was still when we were in our 50s. I love that for both of you. It was just a couple of years.

I love it. Okay, Sonia, you're sitting next to an attractive man on the plane. What is your first move? Don't talk. Don't know. First thing I do. That's going to get you very far. The first thing I do is I, you know, I'll just get in my seat and be demure.

I'll ask him to put my luggage up for me and see how he acts because maybe I don't want to talk to him. And then I see how he's acting, you know, while I'm seeing. And then if I feel like he's elegant and put together and he doesn't have a wedding ring, he's not on his phone doing strange things or just watching sports. Just yourself very much. I'm not going to. There's a lot I don't like. So then I will just start talking to him. And then once I give him the sonia pill, he's down for it.

He's done. What is he's done? I was going to say, just brush up against his leg. Well, not if I'm not interested. First, I want to see if I'm interested. What's in the Sonia pill? Just talk to him and, you know, try to connect, make him feel important and noticed and appreciated and comfortable. Make sure I don't say my name.

I don't want him to know who I am right away. Like if they know you're on TV, sometimes men do run. Oh, they get freaked out. If they live a very discreet. Well, they can't run off the plane. He cannot. So you'll just shove him back down. What am I going to do?

Drag them in the bathroom? Well, commercial? Maybe. Maybe the first time. No, I never did that on a commercial plane now. Never. It's so disgusting. Private?

Wait, wait, did you? You have not done the Mio High Club? No, it's just so disgusting. As it is, I put the socks. Well, not in the Twilocks. I put the socks. I put the slippers. Good Blanky will do.

I put the paper towels down. There's definitely nothing. I mean, I can't use those. So Luan's in the Mio High Club, maybe not for you. Oh, no. As it is, I have to put the slippers, the socks. And then put paper towels down just to use. the lavatory. I can't stand that sticky wet floor. Okay. Friends for years, literally lifelong

friendships obviously that you guys have. Luann, what is Sonia's best quality as a friend? Sonia really, for me, has a heart of gold, meaning that she would not try to hurt somebody. You know what I mean? She doesn't have a really mean bone in her body. And that's what I like about her kindness and her empathy and sympathy for people in general. Oh. Sonia, what is Luann's best quality as a friend? She's always there for me when I need her. I always call her when I need her for something that I know she can handle because she's been through it as well. So I remember when I took down the portrait of my husband, it was hard for me and you were there. We buried the dog. We had to pick up. No one dog I have, he was hit by a car.

And for three months, he was in rehab. And she came with me all the way out to Long Island to up the dog. I was shaking. I was shaking. And yeah, you came for the funeral. In fact, he's still with us. The ashes blew up my nose. She ingested the, the ashes. On the show, we put the ashes of Beulah. Bilo? Bilo in the East River. And when Sonia went to put the ashes in the river, they all blew in our faces. Do you remember that? I do remember that. And I completely forgot. Milu in our noses still. On you forever. In you forever. When you, you, look back, what is the biggest difference between who you were in season one of Roney and who you are today on The Golden Life? Each of you answer.

You know, the biggest difference is I think that we've built such a confidence over the years in terms of, you know, we've had to have a thick skin, you know, putting our lives out there, the ups and the downs and the all arounds and, you know, and we really put ourselves out there. and I think that, you know, it is made us strong as women. We, you know, we've been through divorce and, you know, and through boyfriends and through heartbreak, you know, in so many ways. And, you know, and we've been there for each other. And I think that, you know, I've grown after all this time a lot in terms of, you know,

from when I started. You know, I was married and to the count and, you know, I had that to protect, right? And then I had to protect the second marriage as well. And then I, you know, I lifted myself up and made a cabaret career for myself, which would never dream that it would be now global. And now I am in the driver's seat. Like I get to make all the choices. I don't have to live for, you know, the kids are grown.

You know, the husbands are gone. And, you know, they're there, but, you know, and now I live the life that I want to live. And that's why I think that, you know, we're doing this show because it's all about living the golden life. And I think that we hopefully inspire people to know that at this age, you can, you know, be busy, be productive and be as, you know, as incredible as you want to be. That is so beautiful. If you put your mind to it. You'll have to repeat the question for me. Sonia, how are you different from season one to now? Well, I didn't know what I was getting into. So, you know, that took time because I had a very private life.

My husband was very private. The families are very private. So my husband had a terrible car accident. I was desperate. I mean, it was just devastating to not have him and to lose my best friend and raise my daughter on my own because I didn't grow up that way. And I needed his input. But luckily, my daughter Quincy has her uncles and family members for her.

I learned how to be in a fishball but have a private life also. And then after that, once Quincy graduated, I learned, wow, I can do this show. My daughter graduated Summa Cum Laude from UPenn. And I'm not just a show. I'm a very funny mother that's handled a lot. I went through so many things financially, getting my state together. and I make money independently without the show. We all learned that when the show wasn't airing in New York.

We could, you know, the hustle was real and we could do it. We're survivors. I'm much stronger than I realized I was. At first, I didn't think I could nurse my husband through all of that. I felt, oh, I'm way too selfish. I didn't even think I was able to have, you know, to be a good mom. And now I know I am. Plus, I can be independent, working and taking care of me and my family.

I can still support LGBTQ animals, artists, children, all the things that I always wanted to do since I was in my teens. Well, I think that's what's beautiful about kind of what both of you just said is like, of course there's the chaos and the fun and you guys are so entertaining. It's like you can't replicate what you guys did. Like you said, like there's big shoes to fill for the new cast of Rony and like bless them and good luck to them. But like what you guys gave us and continue to give us is really because of how authentic you've been for all those years. And like you said, Luann, there's going to be moments. There's going to be moments where you're going through the hardest times of your life that you guys have shared on

television and it made you guys so lovable though because we were like oh my god i can't believe these people are sharing this but that comes with a lot that comes with a lot on you emotionally and personally and a lack of privacy right and to see you guys have navigated it so well it's so exciting to now see that you guys are opening the door back up can you give us any sneak peek of what to expect on this new season and this new show. Like, give me anything. Oh, man. Well, I mean, you're going to see us continue to be our authentic selves, really.

I mean, you know, New York was gritty and it was about us, you know, being parents and, you know, raising our children. And, you know, along the way, discovering who we are as women and growing into that, you know, my kids were on the show, you know, early and not a lot, but they were on the show. And I think that they came out of it. it, you know, great. And my daughter lives, you know, in the Hamptons and she's living in Europe part of the time. She's doing psychic mediumship now. Very good. She's really good. She read Sonia's tarot cards. She's really into it. She has a gift from her ancestors from the,

from the Delis Hepps, actually. So cool. And my son is an amazing oil painter. I mean, we raised her children, you know, we have businesses, you know, creating careers and, you know, running homes. and we really juggled a lot. And, you know, and I think people, maybe we made it look easy, but it was really not that easy to juggle. And all the while having to show up looking beautiful. Fabulous. Right?

And a great dress. But it really wasn't the focus of New York then. New York was really about, we didn't have makeup artist. We didn't have a stylist. We didn't have, and we still, I mean, we still barely have makeup artists and stylus, but it's just not who we are as a franchise. and I think people can relate to that because it's very relatable. We're just normal people living our lives on TV, putting ourselves out there and hopefully,

you know, helping people navigate their own lives. Well, I think the tidbit that I can share is the fans have been, you like to say fans, I say followers, but, you know, the followers who have been there supporting us through everything, they're going to get to see that we're there for them. And it's because of them that we're coming back. They didn't say it so loudly and so often, E wouldn't have heard that. Thank God E Network showed up at BravoCon, and they saw that the OGs get the most applause when we walk around.

That's who they're really invested in is the OGs because we have experience. And like Luann said, we're gritty. We don't do makeup. We're not trying to look perfect. So they're going to see more of that. We try. It gets a little different when you're an empty nester, and now you have your parents who are older, and you have your kids who are either working or not.

not working, either struggling or surviving. And then you're going to see like what it means to have real freedom. You can sleep in, you can stay up late, you can do whatever you want because what comes with money, what comes with money that really is freedom is being able to do what you want when you want. And with who you want. I was going to say, I love that you just said that too about the OGs, because I think what we can also agree is like, yes, you guys still have such a crazy fandom. And what we can all agree is you guys know how to put on a damn show. And so to know that this show is coming out, I think we're all just like, I can't wait to just sit and watch. And I don't care if you're making like literally in a fucking kitchen doing nothing. It's entertaining at its core. And so I just

wanted to thank you from all of us fans for doing this because we need you guys back on TV. So to know it's coming, I just want to say congratulations, you guys deserve it. Also, congratulations and everything you guys have built, like you've been referencing. Like, it is so truly inspiring to watch, yes, the Housewives franchise, but like you as women to, yes, it's like men are not at the center of this. It's women. It's real stories. It's what you guys have been through.

It's what you guys have actually overcome. And to be sitting here at this gorgeous thriving age, I'm just like, oh my God, I can't wait to be inspired and I can't wait to be 60. So we're not going to let you down. time to go darling and congratulations i know you do thank you i know very soon i knew it was going to be so fun but i can't thank you enough you guys are even more gorgeous in person and congrats and good luck on everything i love you we're going to see you on the other side when you pop that oh my goodness that'll be a mother oh yeah hang on to your seatbelts because it's got to be wonderful

one hell of a ride it really is and just like the good old day so i'm excited for everyone to see the show then it's great guys thank you for coming and color daddy thank you thank you Thank you.