Call Her Daddy - Spencer Pratt: How to Be Famous (Summer Series)

Episode Date: June 15, 2022

This week, Father Cooper sits down with Spencer Pratt. Spoiler alert: Spencer gets pissed and storms out of the interview after Alex asks a triggering question. But, before the tantrum, Spencer name drops practically everyone in Hollywood and gives us the 101 on how to become famous. We know the drill, Spencer Pratt walked so Kim Kardashian could run. But according to Spencer, fame isn’t even cool anymore! We get the juicy tea on his attempt to join the Illuminati and his sleepover with Hillary Clinton. The OG villain, Spencer reminisces about the early days of reality tv - when he and Heidi were once the most famous (and hated) couple in the world. And then…the question that ended the interview. “You will obviously never be as relevant as you once were, how does that make you feel?” 

Spencer Pratt, you will obviously never be as relevant as you were. How does that make you feel? Oh, yeah? Fuck you, fuck this interview, stupid podcast, fuck this shit's over in here. Is he actually leaving? What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex cooper with call her daddy okay here we go mr pratt oh my gosh look at this outfit i love it oh my god so nice to meet you

oh my god the devil well the second I get in my car, it's never happened in my life. It says, engine coolant. I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? So I go to the gas station. I'm like, oh, I buy engine coolant. I put it in and it's like spraying out. I call BMW service.

They're like, you need to tow it right now. You're like, I gotta go to call her daddy. No, fuck the car. Oh my God. Okay, do you, can you mic yourself up immediately? Cause we're getting into this. This is very fancy. Wait, isn't it cute? It's my, Spencer, it's the first time I'm using these.

I feel honored. I'm honored because I knew you were someone that would know how to put it on and use it. I usually let them do it. That's like the perks. So I should have done it. Okay, we're going over here to make a drink. You didn't even get good tequila.

This is embarrassing. I won't actually touch these bottles. Wait, are you serious? Oh, I can't be on camera with that low. Wait, what do you drink? I mean, bootleg enough would be like Colossal Azules, as low as we're going to go. This is all I had from like a random...

I'll watch. You're not getting me on camera. I mean, this was... I drank this in... Wait, do I have anything else spencer i tried 1942 come on spotify what is going on budget cuts i have a champagne bottle okay so spencer right off the bat is just shitting on me for not having i also needed this ticket that that car coolant i was a lot okay yeah let's talk about what happened. All right. So I get in the car.

I was going to be here very early. I was going to sit in the car, meditate, just visualize the best freaking podcast ever. And I get in the car and it says engine coolant. I'm like, I'm not a mechanic, but this seems bad. So I go to the car place real quick. I'm like, I need engine coolant. I'm very late to the biggest podcast of my life statistically um and so he's like oh my god it's leaking everywhere and i'm

like pour more in so we pour more and i called bmw like you need to tow it here right i'm like i'm not towing it like the car could shut down on you on the way there i'm like well then it's gonna shut down because I'm not missing this. Let's pop the Dom. Okay. Do you want to pop the Dom? I mean, I'll drink that. Okay.

Let's do that. Let's do that. That's a better way to go about it. Okay. I feel like you should do the honors. You know, here's the thing I've learned because Heidi's a professional champagne bottle opener. I used to like the like excitement of, yeah. And she's like, no, you're not even supposed to have

like barely a noise it's not a game to like you know you guard that you come in like that you treat it like that because people are like uh you're gonna so the key what i've been taught is you just slowly it's it's less exciting but let's but let's not waste this money. Wow. I mean, kicking off the Caller Daddy podcast, beautiful. Cheers to the daddy

gang. I am so honored to be involved with your mafia. I'm so honored you're here. They're going to love you. Spencer, you are popping off on TikTok. I'm so honored you're here. They're going to love you. Spencer, you are popping off on TikTok. I need to know what is your strategy? It was drinking and then that's why I haven't been

TikTok-ing. Well, here's what happened. Here's what happened. I don't know how it happened. So what people loved to... So I had to stop because Heidi was like, you play the hills in the house anymore. I'm going to choke you. She can't even. It's like nails on a chalkboard. So, and I'm like, honey, these are going viral.

Like, this one just did a meal in like 10 minutes. And she's like, I don't care. Like, stop talking about that. So, I'm like, it's relevant to a niche micro audience, honey. So, you know. That is fucking hilarious. It's a hard balance because I'm also blowing up all these people that I can't stand. Yeah, yeah.

So it's like, do I, like, I'm like, ah, the views, but I'm like, nobody. I kind of love that Heidi's like, Spencer, knock it the fuck off. And you're like, can't hear you, a million views, gotta go. This is so delicious. Spencer. I can't believe you don't have a charcuterie plate

though for us. Okay, we're going upstairs to the interview. Are you ready? Should we bring this or no? Let's leave it. You need to drive home in your fucked up car. Oh, no, I'm towing it. Oh, here?

You're towing it here? That's a tow situation. Oh, you're towing it here? I wasn't even supposed to get here. Is Heidi picking you up? I said I would. Uber. Black Uber.

Censor. It's all about the money. Let's go upstairs. Oh, my gosh all right deep breath now i'm praying you're praying do you want to pray out loud please god have this just be the greatest podcast to ever hit the waves of this dimension have it just touch so many people's hearts in a positive enlightening way, and just truly be a blessing for everyone's ears. And if they're visually watching this with captions,

just when they read it, just have their spirit just be uplifted and inspired. Amen. That was a little too much Holy Spirit. I almost fainted there. Oh, my God. Do you believe in God? Oh, yeah.

Okay. But, I mean, Heidi, like, took it to the next level because she's, like, a preacher. Really? Like, I was trying to be in the Illuminati when I met Heidi. Were you really? Oh, 100%. I didn't realize they're, like, drinking blood and, you know, and all the weird. I thought it was just, like, sex parties, like, eyes wide shut.

Oh, right. Everybody older than, you know, 18. Totally. You wanted to be it was just like sex parties like eyes wide shut oh right everybody older than you know 18 totally you wanted to be a part of the sex parties not just the party but like

that's a perk like the Tom Cruise movie like that looks you know pretty minus like people disappearing it looked like totally

my vibe thank you for kicking us off I feel really zen and calm I almost just started crying I don't know if it was tears of joy or laughter but but it was something. You got an emotion out of me. I mean, it hit me too. I don't know. It's good AC in here. You're like, I almost fainted. Okay. Spencer Pratt, welcome to Call Her Daddy. I am so honored.

You grew up in California, going to school with celebrities and celebrities' kids. Who was the first famous person you remember meeting in your life? Oh, hands down, Meryl Streep. I was on the set of Death Becomes Her, I think was the title, where she's like falling apart. So shout out, she would deny knowing me at this point. But I think her name was Mamie Gummer. We were BFFs.

We were very young. We would go set, and it was Meryl Streep and I would be chilling on set. So, yeah. I did not expect the answer that's fucking baller. Oh, I mean, I went to Crossroads. The list goes on, but that's like... That's like the main.

The cool, like just in this mansion and, you know. I mean, then it's next thing you know, I'm having a slumber party with Hillary Clinton, you know. mean like my child you have to clarify you're having a slumber party with Hillary Clinton so my best friend Charlie uh his parents were best friends with the Clintons from Arkansas and so when I was a kid you know I'd always sleep over at Charlie's house but one night you know you know I was pre-checked you know i knew this was gonna happen so secret service did their thing i think i was a safe 14 year old or whatever and so yeah i know slumber party i was in the kitchen with hillary that was wild so you reference your high school and how you were surrounded by like a lot of famous people what were you like

in high school and what did the other kids think about you? Well, I try to say that I am exactly, you know, I've learned a lot of lessons, but I would say I'm the exact same person that I've always been and I haven't changed. So, you know, I just as many people that didn't like me back then, you know, I had, you know, enemies putting up, you know, dicks drawn on my face around town, you know. So I came in like hot, you know. So I think because, you know, for my private school world, soccer was our big sport. We didn't have football teams. So I was, for my world, really good at soccer.

So I was on the older teams. So, you know, when I was 15, all the seniors, I was on the older teams so you know when I was 15 all the seniors I was rolling with them so you know everything got fast forward like when I watch I don't watch euphoria when I see clips I'm like oh my god this is the Disney channel compared to like LA and growing up you know now it's crazier because you just die of fentanyl and whatever so it's definitely like darker now so I pray for these kids. But it was amazing. Everyone's always like, oh, why don't you like write it?

Like people that know me, you should write a memoir. I'm like, like, no way. You wouldn't? Well, right now I just found all these tapes and I was like, maybe I just cut together like Heidi was calling it selling Spencer. It was because I really have just been trying to sell myself for all these years not my soul though that's the one thing I've stayed that's why I'm

not rich and famous because I didn't cross that tier of what would have crossing that tier looked like though because I think to the world it looks like you sold it oh no there's a whole nother satanism level that you know I didn't unlock like what would you do I mean I what do they do right these people that you just they're not up front with it but there's a we're talking spiritual level not like oh what you say on yeah like these people are going okay so it's interesting because I feel like what you were saying about being in high school like you were always kind of this like polarizing figure they There are going to be people that like me and then there are going to be people that don't like me and that's okay. But when you were younger, did you ever get in trouble

for your temper? Well, in one soccer game, you know, backstory. So in high school, you know, we went to GNCs. get protein powders you get energy drinks so at the time there was this product called rip fuel and I was like that's every brand I want to be ripped and fuel so and they had a strawberry flavor one so I was be hitting rip fuel before games um you know you just mix in your water it's it's legal it's right it's like Gatorade for me whatever you know I'd never drink Gatorade though um it's legal. It's like Gatorade for me or whatever. You know, I never drink Gatorade though. It's not brought to you by Gatorade.

I can't be promoing Gatorade. So yeah, I was all pumped up on Rip Fuel, you know, and it was very competitive. I was taking this very serious. And so this was the semifinals and there was like a team little meeting the night before the game that this coach who no longer the coach for a reason, meeting the night before the game that this coach who no longer the coach for a reason.

Okay. Shout out Fed, the new coach. So the seniors didn't go to this team meeting that was unnecessary the night before a game. So the next day, biggest game of the senior year, semifinals, he benches all eight of the best players, the seniors seniors hands down the best players including myself we're now losing at half like 2-0 you know I'm pacing the side of the thing I'm like this is like you we get it like and he wanted to make a point like we don't need you like he thought they were going to do fine with like whatever so finally at halftime we we go back in. I go in, score two goals, tied up, so pumped up.

Score a third goal. Now we're winning. He goes sub. He tries to pull me out. I'm like, I don't know if I flicked him off or whatever. I must have been being like, what's up? I'm in the crowd. This was back when people cared.

This was our Friday Night Lights. It was probably on Friday too. And so, you know, I went to the sideline and, you know, maybe got in the coach's face. And my mom ran on the field. My mom, you know, this was crazy what he did. So my mom backed me up, but I didn't hit anybody. I didn't, there was no, it was just yelling. He's yelling back.

So I get called in because they're maybe going to suspend me. And they're like, you were acting very pumped up. Like, on something i'm like yeah rip fuel like what's rip fuel can you bring this in to like the principal office uh tom nolan and bob riddle just retired bye bye bob so i bring in the rip fuel and they read the back of it and it had ephedrine in it which is now illegal and they decided it was like speed so i would just dose up on you know rip fuel so that got me not suspended or expelled or whatever but other than that like no i was teacher i have tight with all the teachers so you got to blame your behavior on rip fuel i mean it was it was a stimulant Totally. Was anyone else taking it with you? The whole team.

Oh, okay, great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, I was more pumped up. So who was your first famous friend? Like, we kicked it with all the... Like, the first famous person we started kicking it with was Paris Hilton. Peaked the most famous person on the planet. That was when I saw like firsthand real deal new modern

tabloid fame because I mean I had grown up with you know A-list celebrity parents and I saw that's more low-key and it hadn't this was peak Paris coming in the game tabloid cover energy paparazzi and I will always say you know I'm not close with her I don't know her you know, I'm not close with her. I don't know her, you know, but she was so consistently nice. And like, she didn't even need to like, I'm like entourage hanger on her, like rando and still got treated with, you know, so I'll always say, you know, good for you. That Paris Hilton era was the beginning of it all with paparazzi. Like, do you think that sparked something in you of like, damn. No, I was telling people at age 16,

bringing in Us Weekly covers, telling folks, get ready. I'm going to be on the cover of Us Weekly. And people were like, what is this? My mom always had tablets. So I grew up with tablets around the house. And nobody appreciated them like I did. So I was, pre-Paris I was already coming hot like there was no doubt in my mind you were going to be on those tabloids okay but in your head

Spencer what were you thinking you were going to be on the tabloids I had no idea but I was like I'm going to be famous these famous people have it so figured out I mean because when you grow up seeing how famous people live like you know as a just eyes on like the the reservation that's world's over by the way like people are like oh he's so thirsty he still wants to be famous like fame isn't even cool anymore now and i would love to have it but it's still not you know 90s to early 2000s when these people live i mean they were taking helicopters landing on just the rules have changed the game so what I grew up thinking fame was is so different like I wouldn't grow up now be like oh all due respect to TikTok I love

being viral on TikTok but I don't think I'd be like oh my god I want to be a viral TikToker as like what I was chasing if you had grown up in Ohio like do you think because of where you grew up and what you were around is why you wanted to be famous because you got to oh 100 like i think in ohio one of these other states i would have ended up in like delta force and gone in the military or been a spy or something yeah that was my brand that's why i don't have tattoos because that was always like well if i am going to be jason bourne you can't have tattoos so you know like i was like deep logical but the problem was i lived in the palisades I was like I'd get killed or like go to nobu right I want to go to nobu not have to go so in a different state

I that's the energy I have okay I was looking this up and nowhere is this story when and how did you meet Brody Jenner rewind to eighth grade. I won't say her last name. Maybe she's anonymous. Heather was the it girl on the eighth grade soccer team. And I was on the soccer bus because they had other guys and girls on the same soccer bus. Brody played no sports. So eighth grade, Heather was the hot, super hot superstar girl girl and brody was her boyfriend and so i was like this dude and brody at this time thought he was you know it's pre-m&m i think but brody was like a large m&m like no pun intended um you know he's a bigger guy he loved melt cheese i later found out he just melted a cube of cheese and just like eat it with a spoon so he was he then got ripped and like changed but this brody was like a rapper

melted cheese and i was like how is this happening so we had just beef in the sense i was like how is this your girlfriend like we have soccer practice together we have way more in common so i don't know what i said but we got in like the only little shoving match in middle school so that we had beef right but then years later this girl that i was seeing casey i won't say her last name because i'm not trying to catch a case um she was dating me and i somebody tells me that's brody's girlfriend i'm like she's not brody's girlfriend like so i bring it up to her and i'm like do you have a boyfriend it like and she's like well i didn't think we were like exclusive care i was like oh no i don't care it's all good but it's like i reach out to brody through mutual friends i'm like yo you know i know we're not cool

whatever but we should meet at don antonio's and talk you know because i guess i had heard you like love this girl and i was like and so we meet up and i'm like your girlfriend is not your girlfriend he's like and i'm like i like i didn't know like she told me but i when i found out that's why i called you and he's like i'm gonna call mike no no no no you know this is pre all these team movies. We should have made a team. It was like, I think we play this out a little bit. So we started becoming best friends on like making plans with her. And then the other person would cancel, like he'd cancel.

And then she called me and I'd be like, yeah, yeah. And then she'd make it those plans. And like, we did this for a while to the point where like, you know, maybe we crossed the line or whatever, you know. But it was like, you know, you want to play the game we'll play the game let's play it um so we became best friends at this is probably 18 how did you get cast on the hills so now we're going back to um i'm now in college i don't know how i see something about the osbournes making 25 million dollars for the and i'd seen the show i was like oh this is entertaining they got dogs pooping ozzy yells like um and so i'm

like i'm gonna make a reality show so i call brody i'm like we got to meet at pf chang's when pf chang's had just this is like pf chang's was mr chow's at this point there wasn't mr chow's like this was the hottest chinese food spot you could go to so we meet at pf chang's he brings chucky his like consigulary like advisor chucky taku and uh so i'm like i want to make a reality show about you and he's like i don't know about that and chucky's like you should do it to brian as my advisor i'm like and he's like here's the deal if you come to my house tomorrow at 8 a.m with the camera start filming i'll do it and he's calling my bluff because i'm a sleeper in

at this time like i'm not trying to be up all the way in malibu like cross creek so i had a camera because i just tried to shoot a documentary in brazil about like the like i tried to make my own taken you know uh like pre-taken with like a kidnapping and I shot this full film that I was like can you please release that it's pretty hardcore because it was like I use real people and like like people that see it are like this is so inappropriate and intense but like at that time kidnapping was like the big thing and I was already in Brazil and I you know I was like i needed to make a so it looks it's too real you know like it's like so i'm like whoa like it was like oh the we're in we're tourists and then like the vans come and duct tape like it's crazy

you guys should like but it like i could have if i had like a good editor I would have won a Sundance because it was like no act like I went to the favelas gave people cash all real guns from like got real cops to like I mean it was so crazy because I want to be a filmmaker you know like like I didn't you know that was clout was like Michael Bay like totally you know so I was like I'm'm making, yeah. So I edit this. I show Brody. He's like, bro. Don't you dare show anybody this. You will go to jail. But I mean, everyone's in on it, you know. Nothing bad is happening.

You're saying it looks a little. Yeah, and Brody's like, people are going to be a little concerned. This was your girlfriend at the time. It's like she wanted to be an actress. She was an actor. There's clearly evidence showing this was, you know, everyone was fine. But it was a little too real.

It was as real as it gets. If I needed to kidnap someone in Brazil, I have the full kind of just... So I had the camera, the good camera, GL2, Canon. And so I show up 8am I have this one tape like I rewatched this the other day I show up camera on him in his nose just trolling him like pushing

it in he's like oh so I tell my parents I'm withdrawing from USC and I'm taking a leave of absence they're like what I'm like I'm making a reality show they're like oh my god I'm like don't worry I can go back I mean at this point they're like I'm glad he leave of absence. They're like, what? I'm like, I'm making a reality show. They're like, oh my God. I'm like, don't worry, I can go back. I mean, at this point, they're like, I'm glad he's back from Brazil.

You know, so I started just filming everything in the house, but his stepdad is a superstar, mega, and in real life, he's literally telling me, stop fucking filming me. Get the fuck out of my house and you know at the time Paris and and uh Nicole were on Fox so I was saying this is Fox Dave you know I didn't appreciate who he was Brody said he makes elevator music like that was my this is David Foster like so that's my percent and I'm like oh you make elevator music yeah fuck off yeah like that was

the energy like Brody's like says you make elevator music so I'm like, oh. You make elevator music? Fuck off. Yeah, like that was the energy. Like Brody's like, says you make elevator music. So I had no like, oh, it's Dave. I'm like in his face. He's swearing at us. You know, he's like, get the fuck out of my house. And my head was like, we have a bigger man. We have a bigger mansion. There's more dogs here.

They're like 10 dogs shitting everywhere. And he was a superstar. And then we have Brody's mom, Linda Thompson, who at one time elvis was trying to marry dated elvis for five years linda's incredible tv legend so she's playing all into it and letting us like let the boys do the boy you know so and i'm living the life too i'm never stopping filming because they got the chef i'm going in the fridge i got a plate that says d. I'm eating his food all day from the chef. And we edit it right there, just like a few minutes. On Sunday night, I get a call from this guy.

And he's like, Spencer. I'm like, who's this? And he's like, it's Peter. I'm like, Peter who? And he's like, Peter Chernin. He's the chairman of News Corp that owns Fox. And he's like, you have a meeting tomorrow at 9am with Gail Berman. I'm like, cool. Who's Gail Berman? He's like, Spencer. She's the president of Fox television.

She knows the deal. Just go to the meeting. I'm like, okay. And he hangs up. I'm like, okay. So I called David Foster and I talked to him. I'm like, going to Fox, Fox, man, you know, talk all this smack. This is where he murked me out. Cause he didn't have like, now he's like, oh, this is real. So he didn't have faith in me. Like, I don't think he knew what level I had. I'd already got it done. So he calls his boy, cause David's Canadian. He calls his homie from Canada that like, they had tried to do some projects together in the past. And he's like, you got to go to this meeting. So I pull up like out of a movie and I get to the Fox lot right there. Every time

I drive by it now, I still like, God, what a memory that you just came and make up. And I pull up my Spencer Pratt for Gail Berman. And they're like, oh, sorry, somebody already used your drive on. I'm like, what does that mean? They're like, you're going to have to park on the street. And like, I'm like, wait, what? So now I'm like parking down pico like running and i'm in my like dumb purple shirt that you know that i thought was like a fancy shirt you know that i didn't have like i didn't like have designer clothes or whatever so i like this stupid purple shirt on somehow later in that day peter churnin sees me he's there and he's like don't you ever wear that dumb ass shirt ever i'm like oh like, oh, okay. But so I go

into the meeting and I get in the elevator and this guy in his full suit is smoking a cigar and we're going up in the elevator and he's big old guy. And he's like, uh, you know, I'm like, who's this guy? And these other guys in suits inside, they're like walking with me and we're all walking. I'm like, no, they're all going in the same place as me so Gail offers us in that meeting 3.7 million dollars I'm like yeah deal deal deal fucking deal and they're like no then we're uh like we're gonna go see some uh we're going to ABC I'm like who the fuck are they like no deal and so they jacked me and they like if i hadn't called david i would have had so much more creative control but i was 20 right and so then i find out like you know i get a lawyer and they're like yeah they're saying you're not the executive producer i'm like i'm like that sounds

like i sounds like i am that and they're like yeah they're saying you're not so i call a future i'm like they're saying i'm not and he's like makes a call and then now i'm executive producer i was the youngest executive producer of a network television show to this day in history and they try to fight that and so then they make the show and at this point on my first day of filming a fox show keep in mind this is when fox was peak fox we are getting launched with the reboot of family guy on sunday nights before the simpsons our sponsor is coca cola uh mcdonald's that we're like getting ads and they're like i am gonna be a millionaire like in a month i have my walkie talkie that says executive producer day one i'm behind camera

they're filming and then everyone's like spencer you need to go in and like do what you're doing because in it everyone's always talking shit to me, like in the sizzle and everything. Cause I'm like the, like crutch, the, the bad, like the guy that lives in the guest house to energy, the Kato Kaelin vibe. Right.

So I'm like, nah, I got my walkie talkie. Like you'll get to keep your walkie talkie. I'm like, okay. So I didn't realize I like, it was like the matrix pill.

Like I, that was when I sabotaged my entire life of being taken seriously crossing in front of that camera i was like oh yeah i get my walkie talkie still i got my title but yeah i didn't get that was the end of like anyone ever being like respecting you in this business but which is crazy to hear too for you spencer because by you they clearly were like wait we're filming this shit and we're not getting the same thing that Spencer came with his DVD because it was you Brody was so comfortable with you being like Spencer get the fuck out of my face and like David Foster's like Spencer like everyone knew you so they were giving you that content they're not going to do it as easily in front of these like

random um like guys with cameras so they needed you to get back in there. But that sucks that then your credit basically got taken as in terms of a producer. So I look still this whole time not getting that nobody else was going to think this. What looked at myself as an on camera producer. I was just filming doing the story bites. Da da da da. So that night Linda has a talk with us, our first night of filming, and she's like, I caught David cheating on me in the studio. And I'm like, well, so,

you know, like, what are we doing here? And so like, we pretty much just like beg her to like, just pause this, you know, and she's like, I now appreciate it more. But at the time, like I was so deep in like, this is our, like, like who cares? Like let's roll. Like you, let's launch. Like, and so she gangstered up and was like, I'll do. And I didn't really understand what she meant. Like I'll do the filming, but I didn't get, so then let's fast forward the night the show premieres. She's like, I informed Fox that I'm filing for divorce tomorrow morning. And I'm like, what? What? No.

You know, nowadays that ratings up. People love that dark thing. This is a family friendly Sunday. I get my third call from the chairman of Newscore. He's like, Spencer, what the F? We bought a family friendly show for Sunday nights. I'm pulling the plug. After next week's episode, it's done. So we get the one, you know, rated well for Sunday nights. I'm pulling the plug after next week's episode is done.

So we get the one, you know, rated well for the summer. We get one more and I just lost and I spent all my money that my first check on my BMW that now I like didn't have money for gas, you know, figuratively speaking, like,

cause I was like game on, you know, we're going to be so rich. Damn. That's wild. That like day one of filming. She like, so that just

set caught him cheating and you're like wait no we need one this house to film it there's two we need the family together and then the rest of the season they just like you try she tried to fake it for you yeah she did and she's a real good actor and damn so i get that call i'm like oh my god i have to go back to college you know, so now I'm back in college. Brody Jenner had step siblings at the time. When do you remember meeting Kim Kardashian for the first time? And what was she like back then? All right.

So I just shout out Esquire magazine for profiling me. And the big, I thought this was going to be like positive but since I said I should be Kim Kardashian people like got all weirded out about that but it's I feel that you know so I'm just going to defend myself so now we're at the first night of the Princess of Malibu our Fox show I didn't even know he had stepsisters. I wasn't even aware. Maybe I met them that night. Like, totally irrelevant. A week later, you know, this has been denied, but Brody's the witness, and I don't know if he'll,

maybe he'll say it, but it's true. We get a call from Kris Jenner, who I don't know, and he puts her on speaker, and she's like, we should do what you're doing in Malibu with our family in the valley with your dad, Brody. And he hangs up and I'm like, the valley? You know, because when I grew up, you did not. This isn't me saying this.

This is what I grew up knowing. There was nobody filming anything in the valley except pornos. You know, like that was what I, you know, that's where they shot. People used to shit on the valley. Yeah. Now give me one of those 80 million dollar valley houses I guess it's still you need good AC I don't you know but so we laughed haha and I've thought about it a million times was that the call that like sabotaged my whole life that I didn't take but then I really thought

about a million times they went to then to Ryan Seacrest, who had a first look deal with E. They had to make a show per his contract. And they went to him. And he had the power of not only E! News, Kiss FM was popping. He just got American Idol. Like that's a solid, I don't think if Brody and I had gone with cameras,

shot the Kardashians, it would have been shot the Kardashians. It would have been what the Kardashians, like everything came perfect for what their magical portal happened. So I've thought about it a trillion times, but I met her for real, for real in the club. I remember area, you know,

she was wearing like an Irv a ledger, silver purplish dress, you know, and she, Kim look like a superstar and was famed like she deserves day one jump she was famous at this point energetically she knew who she was gonna be so she had that aura and like you know i was joking with kim and you know we're all having fun she was totally cool but that i remember meeting him like her at the club and like you know then she later filmed

on the hills and organized Heidi's closet and they didn't use the footage and I once said this in an interview and her publicist was like this is absolute lie and then MTV pulled out the clip think one time they ever backed me with receipts and like showed unedited Kim like every now and then somebody tags me in a tweet of her like tweeting at me like you be Heidi and Reggie need to go on a double date and I'm like how was I so popping in my head that I'm not like following through with this double day I did follow through with Miley Cyrus tweeted us and we went and double dated with her and that so I wasn't too insane but if I had done everything different and if I was like super,

like for how thirsty I am, like what I should have done is been friends with everybody. That's what Kim is, was so good at. And I'm not that type of person. Like I don't want to go have fake lunches and fake drinks. And what if I had played the game like a pro, I would have gone to drinks all the time with people that hated me and I hated them back. And we just all be fake. It it's like that's the problem with being a real person which

is good for reality tv but like not for networking and building these because people message me like oh we should do this and you can reach out to like your celebrity friend like my what friends like I got my friends from preschool and they don't even want me to name drop that. I know them, you know. So no, I appreciate that because I think that a lot of people don't know about the Princess of Malibu. Like if you're on TikTok, sorry, but people may not know about it. And I think that it was interesting when you look back at your history that you started this like basically little reality show following Brody around. And Kim is just like there in a scene. And you're like, whoa, like this was the beginning.

And then I believe you that Chris called because it's like you guys were doing it before the Kardashian started it. No. And at the time, Bruce not was Caitlin. So at the time, Bruce was filming for Princess. So Chris, they didn't use any of the footage, but like he would come film and he'd be on it. So he's going back home and tell like, this is crazy. Right. And, you know, at the same time, the Simple Life's popping.

So Kim's knowing about reality TV through Paris. And that's when reality TV really started to pop off was like slowly like the simple life and then obviously though the biggest I think was when the hills popped off and that was when it was like holy shit this is reality TV and because yes how I got to the hills yeah yeah yeah uh this is gonna be a this is gonna be two-part call her daddy podcast uh so come on come on we're gonna merch get your merch call it daddy.com so um so wait so yeah go back to college so go back to college and then one day i'm back from class whatever and my mom's best friend lucy they're in there watching this show and my mom's friends lucy like you should date this girl she's so cute i'm like what is this and they're they're watching

in she's like date this girl she's so cute and it's heidi i'm like what is this? And they're watching it. She's like, date this girl. She's so cute. And it's Heidi. And I'm like, what is this show? How is this even a show? This is season one. I'm like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. And I'm like, this on TV? Like, yeah, it's so cute. And I see one of the names of the executive producers was a guy that Brody and I literally hired.

Like, we had a meeting. We hired him. So I have his cell phone number. I call him. I'm like, motherfucker, you have a new show and you didn't put Brody in it? And he's like, like, we had a meeting, we hired, so I have his cell phone number, I call him, I'm like, Motherfucker, you have a new show, and you didn't put Brody and I, and he's like, Spencer, no, it's a set cast of this girl from Laguna Beach, like, it's not like that, I'm like, oh, no, it's like that, we'll see you in the club, like, I don't think so, that's our show, you got, like, Hollywood, like, and this one, Brody was like running the clubs and like, so all due respect, no girl from Laguna Beach is doing a Hollywood show.

I'm like, they have a Hollywood show and you're so not including us. Like, yeah. So we're out. It's us. Club was called Privilege. Justin Timberlake was just popping with Sexy Can I? I think I remember just like hitting so hard in the, in the fricking club. And so this is when I was very into dancing.

You know, this was people dance back then. People weren't too cool to dance. We want to just stand around. Like it was like dancing time. So I was dancing and then Kristen was at the bar with Heidi and Heidi just in season one. I didn't know what even that meant.

Nobody Hills was not popping. So Heidi and I clear the dance floor. We're having a great time dancing, hit it off. season one i didn't know what even that meant nobody hills was not popping so heidi and i clear the dance floor we're having a great time dancing hit it off we all drive back to brody's house in malibu so she ends up spending the night we you know she says it's love at first sight i guess now in retrospect it was but you know i had you know player ego clout fame vibe so i was like and then she tells you know we're seeing each other but she is seeing you know, player, ego, clout, fame, vibes. So I was like, and then she tells, you know, we're seeing each other, but she is seeing, you know, she's not exclusive either to me. When I met Heidi, she was writing a book, had chapters,

how to outplay the player. She had game galore. She was not this like innocent victim, like, oh my God, Spencer's talking to those playmates. Like she was talking to old dude over here and old dude here. And like, she had two, like she had an A-list athlete and an A-list actor she was dating when I was supposedly looking like the bad guy. So if they'd showed real Heidi and not this like bootleg, you know, just making girls look like this. Like, like that was where you got to see

like, like an awesome girl that I would fall in love with who like show a girl a game that like, yeah, like this is why I liked her. She's like, she was no victim. I wasn't playing her. It was like battle. We were at like a master chess dating. And so that's so that's tell us who she was dating uh yeah she was dating chase crawford who was like the it like hot guy you know peak you know a gossip girl yeah like couldn't be cooler so she wasn't like oh poor spencer like right there was not that i love hearing you say that though because i always felt that vibe from heidi but they always cast her as this like damsel in distress like jordan's being mad mean to me and then she meets you and it's like spencer's being mean to me i'm like that's not the vibe i get from heidi so the problem with

heidi and i we love making tv shows and doing what the producers saying here's the problem with the hills all male producers east coast waspy freaking dudes that they're now in charge of representing young women in hollywood and they're putting their toxic male weird narrative spins that they that's not facts and it's not real life because i don't even think any of these guys date you know like they don't know maybe they saw it in a movie like they can't fathom a woman like spitting game on a guy and like change your number like fuck you way better show too it's like real heidi was i always say this people to this day like oh how are you still it's like because you don't know real heidi like you guys are all yeah like it's like keeping you on your toes yeah like i'm they're not showing me begging her

to be boyfriend girlfriend you know like i don't want that title like right it's like, yeah, like I'm, they're not showing me begging her to be boyfriend girlfriend. You know, I don't want that title. Like, right. You know, like she was more. Yeah. So yeah, she had games. She was a gangster.

Like, you know, so now knowing that's actually a really great story that it goes all the way back to your mom looking at the TV and being like, Oh, you should date this girl. And then you guys actually meet and you immediately have a vibe. What was your first impression of Lauren Conrad when you met her? What was your first impression of Lauren Conrad when you you met her all right so let's do a disclaimer here for you know lc stands because they're always like oh my god he still has to talk about lc it's like no no i was connected to a television franchise and this is a co-star that is part

of my fame people i would love to have never talked to her for the rest of my life. But I am a great guest and I am honest and truthful. So there you go. So that's for the comment section. So, I mean, nice girl. It was all good to the point where I talked Brody in to breaking up with Nicole Richie to fake double date with LC. So like, that's the level of how I felt about it. Like, let me help make your life better by

bringing the best looking guy in Hollywood right now, who all the girls want to date. I'll get him to break up with his celebrity, you know, superstar girlfriend. I will get him to come onto your show, pretend to be your, you know, interest to just everyone wins, you know? So like I was, I'm a teammate. I come from being on a team sport. I didn't play tennis. I didn't play golf. Like the team wins. That's how I've always thought. So I was like, let's all win. We'll double gate. And I was already in the, you know, game from like working with the paparazzi for princes of malibu and setting up our shoots and so like i was like you know our first double date i had us coming out of the grove

you know all due respect to elsie she'd never been in a tabloid until i unlocked that for her and gave her the you know as a team mate not you know i don't want credit i i wanted us all to win so i had our paparazzi this is pre the entire world now does this. This was vintage genius where you work with them instead of like hiding from them. Because this is when tabloids sold like albums. Like you could Drake, you know, one week, three million sales on Us Week. Like this was superpowers that I knew understood. And I just watched a season two episode. Elsie knew,

because if you look at her on the couch, she has every tabloid in her lap. That's what she's reading. So don't be mad at me, girl. So we come out of our double date and I'm like, make sure you guys look to the left. You know, this is off camera. Just, I'm really trying to like, get us all to hang out on friends. Cause now Heidi and I are seeing each other, not boyfriend, girlfriend. And she's like, what? And I'm like, it's our's our camera she's like you called the paparazzi I'm like yeah to get you into max so that was I was like oh you're not all there you know like don't have a full deck running here as you're trying to be on your second television show like it's not like I'm all for people who don't want to be famous but like you're on a second show like

you spun off like I get like it fell into your lap in high school and it came to you and you auditioned but now you've spun off you've you are choosing the path of fame so now i'm like so she from the jump kind of was weirded out like oh spencer's like that's why she'll say things like i don't trust him it's like you didn't understand like i was ahead of this game like i already saw how this worked on a way bigger scale because i'm not from laguna beach you know like i'm from here and watching paris watching how nicole like nicole's an actual you know we ended up having a falling out or miss i was misquoted i think well you can uh but she's a genius so like she's a fame genius so I studied under you know I'll call her a mentor

in the in the fame game so I she just Nicole Richie oh she's she she knows the game

that's why Paris called her smartest friend to be her teammate she didn't call Kim you know like hey you wanna

you know but so back to like you know everything we were best friends she's like you want to meet my dad but eventually the brody couldn't play pretend anymore yeah i wasn't saying fake date lc that wasn't the initiative like i was like this would be great like heidi's

cool they're roommates like i was hoping it worked out it didn't work out from night one you know so once she was on to that she wanted her amazing wingman, which I under wing woman, totally get Heidi to not be with me. So her selfish motivations, she can put it on all these reasons of like, oh, I don't trust him or look at, she knew Heidi. Like she knew Heidi's game. She knew about this and we know her. These girls were not victims.

Okay. They had their own television show they were in the right in the heart of hollywood they're going out every night getting tables these aren't these like pilgrims that like were like oh these poor little innocent right you know yeah these girls are savvy and i didn't get raised on being on television when i was 16, 17. Like you're a veteran at this point. Like, yeah, I understood the backside of like tabloids and media, but when it came to making a TV show and like murking out people and like, you know, what comments say this, like this is a black belt level. Yeah. With regard to your relationship with Heidi, how did you guys separate reality from reality tv to keep

your relationship healthy thank god the show was so fake that it was you know every time now and then Heidi would get a little too drunk like like one time in area like she knew I told her like we're gonna call these playmates I'm gonna bring these girls and she knew and she's like I'll meet there and then drunk Heidi's like asshole and like you know like and she really got all up in her feelings you know I was you know because she's like I don't even want that you know but that's the problem when you even play reality like there's times where you know it affects you in real life so thankfully it was so fake that all the fighting and everything was so like planned and rehearsed and scripted that it didn't. And then the other thing is we lived in my parents' house in the Palisades, like in my high school room.

Like so we leave Hollywood and just go have our simple, you know, life. And, you know, we weren't up in the scene like it looks. So we never lived in that apartment that we filmed in or that house we filmed in so I imagine it would have been harder if we were immersed in that world and these were our real friends and our real relationship but you guys really took a turn to be like the most hated couple in the world and Heidi got all the surgery did you ever try to convince Heidi not to get surgery? No. One thing I never tried to do ever with Heidi

and what people don't understand is like, Heidi's the boss. Like I work for Heidi to this day. Like that's this whole like, you know, like that's the people who really know the inner workings of our relationship. Like, excuse me, my French,

like I'm the pussy whip. Like, you know like it's not like oh heidi i think you should do this like heidi came from a little town in crested butte with dreams of being a star like she like so no i never told heidi what to do because i've just i'm i was i was just filming her she's like put the camera on me cameraman like you know if you watch the footage like i'm just her cameraman i said to her yesterday She was like, put the camera on me, cameraman. Like, you know, if you watch the footage, like I'm just her cameraman. I said to her yesterday, I'm like, I'm literally your cameraman. So also let's rewind to surgery because it's in tears.

First time she even got the idea of getting surgery was us weekly approached her and was like, hey, we have this top plastic surgeon. It wasn't even in her head, you that wants to do you know we'll give you a nose job and implants and heidi's like and they're like this would cost 50 000 whatever and heidi's a hustler and she's like 50 000 for free and this us weekly is coming to me right i'm not gonna say his name ken came to her um and so you know yeah you know and she'd grown up getting made fun of about her nose her whole life. You look, this was early day comment section. Every single comment. I'm always like, don't read that as just saying she has a Jay Leno chin.

And so she's now in her head of all these things that's early, you know, comment section. So then she has this meeting with this top, you know, rest in peace, Dr. Frank. He's dead. But she has a meeting with him and he she's showing he's showing her all the A-list superstars, all the things he's done, but, you know, top secret. They're not telling anyone. She's realizing this is the game. So she does the nose job, boobs.

It's not the end of the world. People don't, you know. She didn't have to tell the truth also. Like, this time, I'm not going to say other big pop people were literally without a doubt got nose jobs got it like that was standard operating procedure but Heidi is just honest like I'm gonna tell people this is what I did which you know I'm like I don't care whatever like keep in mind I've already dated Heidi for so long in love already felt like this isn't like oh this is what you need to do now for us to be like we're already battling the world like this isn't going to change our relationships i'm like

i don't win win i don't care either way whatever do what you want to do to your body i'm scared and i couldn't even i can't even get shots like so it's way past my world of like knives and you know so all good. The followup, the one that people all freaked out on, I'll never forget. I even have it on video as she's going in. Cause she,

when she was doing her Miss Universe, she got elbowed by one of the backup dancers and they hit her nose. And so she like, like it's like dead in, they're going to like pop it out, whatever. So she goes to have like that done that morning. He's like, Hmm, while you're under,

we could just little, and I hear the word minor so many times. It's like it's so early in the morning when you drop these people off for surgery. It's like I'm not even thinking. I hear minor. She already got lip injections. That's the minor. Like, oh, minor. And you hear the word injectable and this.

Everything's minor. And he just had injectable and this is everything's minor and he just had this blue pen and he's just like like there's a lot of blue neither of us are thinking like oh my god he's like this is minor is the word we heard a million times cut to like the most traumatic so no it was not like a positive time that's also just so crazy to hear you talk about it too because of like how manipulative and really scary like when you're young you don't understand and these doctors should do a better job of explaining like the fact that they said minor to you and you're like it was in the morning also the fact that you're like it was the day of and they're like we can just do this like we'll scoop out your back we'll pin back your ears we'll and it's saying the price of each thing and like back to heidi who's like a banker he's like this

is 25 i mean it was like a quarter million dollars when he like he's like and i'll cross all this was like out of like a movie where he like you're like shopping for clothes and they add it all up and he's like void zero dollars so it's like in her head and this business it's like a business like oh my god he's like a business like oh my god he's giving me a quarter million to like make and this is what all i'm not gonna name stars but this is what all they did but they spread it out like everything she did is like standard a-list totally i'm not naming the women but but it's obvious this is standard a-list women but once a year you know you don't knock it all out right you don't drop it off at the body

shop what do you miss about being one of the most famous couples in the world at the time oh just the money like yeah like i would if you asked me to never be famous or just be rich i would i thought being famous was the easy way to get rich like if i put the amount of energy as i put into being famous as just like doing like a normal rich person job, like a banker, like I would be rich. So, yeah, like how the E like getting just paid by Coca-Cola to hold a Coca-Cola. Here's $10,000. Like, like what? Yeah.

You know, so like that level of like like why do you want to be famous like because that it's so hard but it's so easy when you're like in the when you're getting the checks like at one time we were making a million dollars a year selling our paparazzi photos like going and looking cheesy you know like dressing up in dumb little like easter Bunny like so that part is hands down that makes sense so people hated you more than people who murdered people you were more hated than OJ Simpson at one point and Casey Anthony yep how did that make you feel at the time well at the time it was a victory because David Foster had put me into the game by he knew Simon Cowell I didn't watch American Idol and he was like Spence once the Fox started going he's like you need game by he knew Simon Cowell. I didn't watch American Idol.

And he was like, Spence, once the Fox started going, he's like, you need to be the young Simon Cowell. I was like, who? And he's like, the hated guy, the villain, the like, you know. And I was like, gotcha. Like, sounds easy, coach. Put me in. So there was no social media. I was so naive to think. And I thought everybody

knew Hollywood was just lights, camera action, fake as could be. I didn't understand middle America. This was Bible, you know, like this was, you know, the Holy spirit over here. And I'm over here just trying to get ratings bonuses. Like if we ever got to 5 million, I got a million dollar check just that day. So no matter what I'm reading, I'm over here just trying to get ratings bonuses like if we ever got to five million I got a million dollar check just that day so no matter what I'm reading I'm over here like chasing a million dollar one like we're like at 4.2 for them like oh what could I do to get to that million dollars to do what I'm already doing that night so my mindset at that point at one time I had like hate spencerpratt.com where like you could go and like comment. Like I hate like I thought it was so fun and like ridiculous until, you know, I started driving around and like everyone just flicking me off out windows.

I was like, oh, my God. Like who's watching this show? Like chill. Like I thought this was like a fun like party show. Why you guys isn't the news on? Like aren't we in Iraqq like isn't there a war like i just never understood because i came from like play pretend with the princes and everything and i just thought you know so no you understood what you were doing and then when people didn't

and they thought it was real you were like wait guys yeah and i don't know and like brody will say to anybody that's like spencer planned every single like he's a witness to like the pre yeah like the the blueprint like i executed it too well you know and here's how they got me and this is how the predatory producer you know and me being naive and he Heidi just hit me with this. And I was like, Oh my God, I'm so triggered by that quote. They were always saying, um, we're going to, uh, this is your redemption arc. We're going to redeem. So I'm always chasing, like you do this and then we're going to, so I'm like, I like this, but it's like, I should have been like watch Batman. I'm like, there's no way the Joker is getting redeemed like part three you know like

like I just I just like oh yeah that sounds great you're gonna redeem me yeah what season four like whoo so like I I fell for that just con which you know that's the problem when you're 23 and you do think you're smarter than everybody which I obviously was not that I just got you know I thought I was in with everybody and I'm working with this producer that I already made the show with, but it's like, oh no, they were sailing me off the waterfall, like Niagara. And, you know, I didn't care because they're also blood money paying, you know, we're the highest paid people on television at this time. So I'm, I'm going, I had a million dollar suit collection, not even wear suits.

And then I gave them all to my friend who was a real estate agent. Shout out Mikey P. And, you know, so like, because I was like, what do you do with all this money? You buy suits. That's what rich people do. Save it. No. Oh, no.

Buy gold. That's what I would say. That's the one thing I did that was smart at one time. I bought like all this gold. So I carried a backpack around with with half a million in gold coins. Because you can't spend gold. It would keep you in line. What about a business manager?

We had a problem with business managers, let me tell you. They take your money? Not only do they take, they take 5% of all the money you spend because they have to do the math for it. Oh, so be careful with a business manager because they love you spending money. That's their favorite. So gold was your friend. You're like, I can't spend this. Yeah, I should have bought more of it. Right, right, right. Okay, Spencer, you created the concept. I am now convinced. I look back and I'm like, there was Simple Life. There was like newlyweds

Jessica Simpson and Nicholas Shea, like early, early days. But you created the reality show villain oh i'll take that one thousand percent right like military give me my one credit yeah i'm gonna add that to my wikipedia the originator of the reality and it was fun until you realize like there's no getting out so as i look back they were frankenbiting is which I learned later is where they're just taking audio and putting it there and putting you at an event you're not at saying you did this. Like I was just watching this episode where Lauren comes in, like that Heidi stood her up and there's a note from Heidi. Anyone that knows Heidi, her handwriting looks like Egyptian hieroglyphs. Like she doesn't know what she's writing. I don't know if she can even write.

And so this cute little note, like, sorry, Lauren, L-C-E. I can't hang out. Went to the movies to censor. Love you, like, perfect calligraphy. Heidi never wrote that note. They never told her she was standing up. L-C-E, it's like these simple things that murk you out. And Lauren's playing along.

She knows Heidi didn't write that note. And coming in like Heidi Heidi knowing like you were just in your apartment they just miked you up like do like good for you like like freaking Blake Lively over there so let me explain to you what I'm thinking I've sat down with reality people now and sitting down with you who was like the originator of the villain I want to expose how easily the edit process is that reality tv uses to make something look like a conversation happened and it really was a complete different conversation that happened do you know what I mean so who is someone that you really dislike like someone that pisses you off and can get you like riled up you can be adam devillo okay

i'm adam devillo okay and i'm going to we're about we're in a fight we are in a fight right now i'm adam you're spencer and i'm talking so much shit to you. This is what's going to happen is the point is, is I'm going to, it's like I'm a producer being like, you're pissed at Adam. What would you say to Adam? And it's like, fuck you. And then you walk out of the interview. What I'm going to do is at the beginning of this episode, it's going to be a cold open and I'm going to dub in a different question of me being like, Spencer, you're irrelevant.

How do you feel? And you're going to be looking at me when really everyone right now will see what that original thing was i'm talking about adam devillo but we're going to cut it and make it look like you were shitting on me and you walk out of the color daddy interview oh my gosh you ready it's so scary well give me a few minutes to tell you how i'm envisioning it no i see the vision but i'm just like trying to think about what i would actually say that could come off believable. Like, fuck you. You're a fucking predatory person.

That's pretty good. Oh my God. That's better than anything we had. That's way stronger than a fuck you. Do you have a notes app of what you want to say to billow uh yeah i do you need to drink some of your okay your flat we're gonna need to get we can do it twice like we just want to get the best and again what is happening right here is gonna go in the episode just so you know you're not getting fucked over like we're gonna show you know as long as this goes on spotify yeah i don't care what you show

power of edit baby oh i liked that first line you said yes but it's not dramatic enough right because i mean you are a predatory person i can't even take it seriously okay here we go I think it would be dramatic if you get up and walk out I'm gonna definitely okay you're practicing

you're practicing oh yeah fuck you fuck this interview stupid podcast fuck this shit's over in here what the fuck that was good dude that was good that was good it has to be more low-key. I agree. I agree. No, I think that was pretty good

because you said, fuck you, fuck this. I'm going to do one more and I'm going to keep all this in of like, guys, this is, I'm like poking him. I'm Adam DeBello.

I'm like, you are- So that's the thing, you wouldn't even, that's what's so crazy about reality TV. Adam DeBello wouldn't be here. They send these, they call, for the Hills,

it was called, she was called the collector. That's how shady this shit is, to collect the fucking- And she would just get shit out of you? No, she was called the collector. That's how shady this shit is, to collect the fucking... And she would just get shit out of you? No, she would come and like, she fake jerked off and busted a nut on my face. And it worked and I went nuts. Okay, so let's channel that annoyance.

Let me call Heidi. Who do I dislike? Hi, honey. who let me call Heidi who do I dislike hi honey who do I who do I really dislike that I could channel just like lots of anger for a fake scene here I feel like I don't talk to enough people to hate anybody anymore oh thank you honey I knew you would know love you honey bye you're welcome here i'll put you on the mic there you go you're good you're good love you shout out shout out pratdaddy.com pratdaddy.com love you stream superficial um so yeah car oh lots of people did but one one i have to see pretend i'm him you're a fucking loser yeah

this is the biggest fucking waste of time i can't even believe spotify gave you a fucking show i bet this doesn't even last another fucking year why don't you just delete this whole fucking episode? Good luck with your little imaginary boyfriend you never saw on fucking IG stories. Fuck you, Alex. Fucking Cooper. Fucking fuck.

Spencer! Spencer! Meryl Streep! No, that was good. What I've learned is like, the more exaggerated the faker it looks now because now everyone is so exaggerated on all these shows. So you gotta like-

Well, in post-edit, and that's the beauty, again, I'll share with everyone watching, is like, we'll look back and see which one looks more real. Maybe the first one looks more real because it was less try hard. I may even, you know, the Holy Spirit, I may give you a third just out of nowhere. So, you know, third.

You know, you have to do these 12 times. That's like that video I sent you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I rewatched it like this supposedly where I'm bullying Heidi into like moving in with me to like, I would never move into Curson Avenue. Like, I'm not bullying anyone to like live across from fucking Boa or Boca. What is it? I don't even.

Yeah, yeah. like a liquor store like so no i was not but this big scene this was when it was a wrap for me right was when i she's like i don't think i want to move in with you like doing her meryl streep level and i'm like then get my answers get out of my car we did that at least 12 times they're like floor the car more and when they're shooting the exhaust pipes. She gets in the car right after. We go to Don Antonio's. Like, that's just a night.

But like, boom. And here's how I'm even crazier. The song that they put to it, like Apologize, I gave them the One Republic song. I was like, this would be so good. Because Heidi was in talks to do a song with Ryan Tedder. And he played me that. I'm like, I'll get this on the hill hill so then I even gave them the murder song as we're kind of we're not

wrapping up no we're not oh my god no no we're not you're like I'm not leaving thank you for playing along that was a great promo is there a specific manufactured storyline you regret saying yes to yeah the sex tape I didn't think people like big deal i thought it was like clout too like kim just made so much off of hers it wasn't a negative there were no tape even ended up coming out so like i thought that that's why i played along called a fake producer that wasn't on the phone with lc it was me pretending to apologize something i didn't do to a producer like yeah to your knowledge did Adam DeVillo ever abuse his power when producing the show and in what ways you know here's what's so funny like

I was ready to go all in on Adam DeVillo but I'm a mercenary if they call me right now to be on Selling Sunset and I hate him more than anyone I'll be I'd be like, what's my fee? You know, like, so you can't even ask somebody who's like a mercenary about people because like I should have known his last name is devil with an O. Like that's not a coincidence. And think, here's the other thing that I now have the benefit of perspective with.

Like we've now been on two seasons of Celebrity Big Brother. We are locked up, you know, 50 plus days of producer. We did I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here, Marriage Boot Camp, Wife Swap, Famous Food. Like the list of shows of dealing with producers, not to mention all these pilots who shoot. And like there's nobody like that guy. So here's the problem with people like Adam and how they'll always win. They're male. Here's the problem with people like Adam and how they'll always win.

They're male and he brings in his enablers and they're all like guarded. You know, I'm not saying this is like, they will always win because there's that me, the mercenary, because I know this is a demonic demon. And I was like, put me on Netflix. So all these people around Christine, they're not going to back her because they don't want to rock the ship. They don't want to, you know, they don't want Selling Sunset to end. So that's how Me Too and these people are enabled because the people around them

are like, ain't happening to me like you. Cause I'm one of his like, I'm sure the way he treated Whitney and LC and God knows how they probably love him because when things did come out and Heidi's story whatever guess who's the first one to be like he's the best guy ever maybe to you but that's not the truth like that's your like you can't defend you know so totally and I think it's fucked up because like you're saying these men in these position of power insulate themselves with all these other men that are going to make him like almost impenetrable to any type of any type of getting in trouble. And however, what you're saying also is because you're the mercenary, it's fucked up. Like we saw Christine Quinn was one of the first people which she's fortunate.

She's got a lot of fucking money. She's got her own money and she's got her husband that has a fuck ton of money and so when you're in a position where you need this person that's in a position of power and fucked up but you need to make a living you need money you're kind of at the hands of their power and so I hear what you're saying you're like I would take the Netflix show because that's what your career is but you're not saying he's a good guy I want to because I I've never talked about this to my listeners so when Heidi was on Call Her Daddy last year she brought up an incident where the producer from the hills was physical with her after filming that episode the MTV rep that repped Heidi called my team and said, you need to take that out of the episode or you can't air it.

I don't even know if Heidi knows this. She definitely doesn't know that. Okay. Shout out Joya and Jay and who else? I love you guys. I don't even know. So we get this call. It's so shady because it's like they protect the net.

Like I love MTV, but it's like, that's Adam. She didn't say MTV. You can't like, that's's the so my team gets this call and daddy gang listening like you can go back and that interview I they said you have to take that part out or you can't air the episode I thought it was coming from Heidi and I'm like who am I to put someone's like abuse story out there if they don't want it out so I took it out of the episode fast forward a few ago, Christine Quinn sits down with me and she talks about how Adam Davilo is the new producer who is the original producer of The Hills

and she mentions Heidi's name in the interview saying we both had really bad experiences with these producers. Immediately, I message Heidi. I go right to Heidi because I'm like, I don't want to put your name in the episode if you're not comfortable with it I know Christine doesn't want to speak for you I'd want to make sure you're good with it and Heidi was like absolutely put it in there it's the truth to which I then realized oh my god last year I fully got played I was like last year that was not Heidi not wanting to put that in but now that you're done with the hills can you explain what the fuck happened with that whole situation again i wasn't there i was never allowed to be that's why that's why these predator type people like that people

that want the smoke they won't have like i never interacted with adam ever. Once he knew my level, you know, like you don't play, like I don't play. So I never got to interact with Adam because it would have been on. So I was banned from the shoot, the photo shoot that this happened. So what I did was send, shout out Kevin Carlson, her bodyguard, to go in my place. Because, you know, I'm like, i'm not allowed to go to her photo shoot so yeah that's weird again you would need heidi here but from my what i recall is she had one of those loose fitting you know i guess there was also a comment about her new boobs you know like you know because she just had nobody had seen that whatever and uh she had one of those backs

that like are open back where it's like pretty much like in the right angle it's like butt cheek you know like of a dress and i guess he like put his hand like ash cheek grab and the security to the point where he like chopped her his hand off and was like checked him you know shout out kevin um gangster but he was there this happened so we had a witness we like he was you know it makes me really sad for heidi that it took years like everyone is believing christine quinn right now oh i literally when this came out i all again i didn't watch selling sunset because i hate this person so much i don't care how good the show is adam right but when i

saw this i was like this is an angel from heaven just came out and then she's in this outfit i'm like she is out of the this is the matrix this is literally trinity coming to like and it took what 12 years like you can go back on google and she was like this is not appropriate like you can't like she felt the point where she called me and i was like what did i so I called and I left some psycho message you know like I hope he still has it I hope you know but here's how weird life is and so when I went back to college to finally graduate in 2013 I'm in a staples on olympic and I go because I drink lots of water and fluids I go to go pee in the staples and you know, I'm not a, like a, I like to go in the stalls, pee. I feel more protected, you know? So I opened the stall door. Guess whose

face I look at? Adam. Adam DeVillo. I haven't seen this person since 2000, maybe the first night of Hills filming. I've never even seen him since then open. And he looks like I'm there to murder him, you know? Because this is like some random staples in the men's room, in the stall. He's coming out and he's like, and it took me, I didn't like process like who is like, why is this freaking out? So out of context.

Yeah, like what's happening? I just want to pee. Like you're blocking the urinal here, like toilet, get out of the way. And he's like, Spencer, what are you doing here? I'm like, Adam? Like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm going to the bathroom. I'm like, I'm like, why are you in Staples? I'm like, buying books for college. Why are you here? And he's like,

cause I worked down the street and this is the better bathroom. I'm like, huh? So, you know, to this day, I think he doesn't believe I was buying Staples and it was like, I can touch you if I want. I could get you anywhere type. I like, like just know anytime you're going to the bathroom, I could open the stall door and be there. Like, that's how I think God wanted me to have that last, like,

don't ever feel too cozy on that toilet. Cause that door could open and it could be me. So, you know, like it was a weird moment, it's like i didn't have it had been three years i was back in college i didn't i hadn't been i'm now back in the game trying to be famous again so like i'm mad again but then i didn't like really care but he couldn't accept it like and i was so chill and i was like oh what are you up to like and he was like what

are you and then heidi comes like why are you here and she's like i'm like it was just he probably he couldn't he did not believe it could have been a coincidence yeah no way he's like, what are you? And then Heidi comes like, why are you here? And she's like, I'm like, it was just such a good. He probably, he couldn't, he did not believe it could have been a coincidence. Yeah, no way. He's like, you are here to kill me?

Yeah, one trillion percent. Here's the weirdest part. So years before this, just to show you how demonic this project with the Hills was. Yeah. We go out for a pitch with one of these evil producers

because again, we're mercenaries and he's like, hey, I want to pitch you to lifetime. We're like, okay. Like his right hand guy.

So we go this pitch and we're sitting there and he's like, it's amazing. We can all telling this lifetime executive that we can all sit here. I mean, at one time we were trying to steal Heidi's soul. And like, Heidi just starts hysterically crying in real life because she's like, so triggered by like knowing that like she felt that

and it's like the pitch went so side was like stealing her soul like what we Adam DeVillo said his right his right hand man his literally said at one point we were trying to steal Heidi sold now look where we are like and we can all be together and like pitch and Heidi's like that's why I felt that yeah like so many years you fucking psychos okay what is the wildest thing you've done to make a headline tell us oh i mean any headline you ever saw i was behind and so it's like i actually thanks to my mom she's a thank you i have a the biggest thing you've ever seen in your life of every cover tabloid everything i've ever been in and the other day i pulled it out just to like because i was gonna do tiktoks on them was like everyone was the most crazy stories i'm like made that up made that up made that up one time we made our entire house look like we were squatters. They're not squatters.

Like, like, uh, what are those people that like fill up a house with stuff? hoarders. Hoarders. We filled it up with hoarders and like, you know,

like just made it like piled up and like got an in touch magazine cover. Like Heidi and Spencer are in squalor in touch cover. I think we got 25 K shout out Dan Wakeford. Um, yeah. yeah like so i mean like that's like a petty one but like everything you could ever think of we once did a deal for like a half a million just for four covers of us weekly there's no we didn't know what the covers were it's like let's make stuff up you know so i'd have to go through but like the weirdest thing that i didn't have to do with that I saw a headline recently that Heidi called me,

the article said that Heidi called me like chicken legs or something and Spencer was going to get calf implants. So I was like, calf implants? Like even if I had, I don't have a big calf, but like, I wouldn't, I hate needles, but like that's the level. Calf, I was like, so I have so many of them. That is, you know, that's really cool that you have those like mementos. Oh, I want to frame them all.

And Heidi's like, they're not going on the wall. I'm like, this is art, honey. This is art. We'll put them next to our portraits in our homes of ourselves. We do have every cover framed. I think you guys should do that. Like, I want spreads framed. Like, six pages is every one of these are, that's a guys should do that. I want spreads framed. Six pages.

That's a lot of BS that we had to make up. I love that little cap and plan. I should be in creative writing. Yeah. Because you'd be on and you'd just be... Yeah, I don't think people give you enough credit. I always complain about that. I'm chasing credit.

I'm going to give it to you right now. You went to usc the whole backstory i'm happy you told us of the princes of malibu like knowing you went to brazil you were shooting i will let you watch that i want to watch you can watch you i will let you and then i'll tell you what i think no i know you're gonna be like you could win an oscar it's the it's insane like it's the work of art like okay spencer what are you insecure about not getting credit you know for like for my level of like energy i put into success you know i don't i don't get treated with any credibility you? So that's an insecurity in the sense that like,

I've worked since 2004 nonstop on reality TV fame and, you know, and people are just like, oh, I hate a guy from the hills. That took work, fool. Like I was working. That's a job. So, you know, that's definitely an insecurity and you know thankfully being a dad created my new focus on just being like the best dad so it's like

it's less selfish so no matter what like I've now transitioned like I'm kind of like a rap you know like whatever happens with my career and like titles like now I've already moved on to let me build the best superstar child and great human. So that has been a great energy shift. I wish it's a hard balance because I learned so many lessons, but should I have had a kid sooner? Did I need to go through everything to be ready to be a parent? But insecurities.

I know. I think that's a great answer. Do you think being a dad has changed you a lot? It made me now thirsty again because I'm like, you know, like, let's get success. And I've, like, people are like, why are you still trying to be famous? Like, that is where I'm at. Like, I'm not going to go be a banker now. I can't go be Camilla and be a lawyer.

Like, even though Kim is being a lawyer, like, I don't have that time for the baby bar. So, like, I am going to be a television star again. Going to get a show. I'm going to produce. Like, that's why I'm now back in the game. I think producing for you. Oh, no. It's going down.

Yeah. The slate is strong. So that's the only reason why, like, like, why do you want this again? It's like, because now it's time.

Like I had already, I was living in Santa Barbara at my parents' beach house. I was done. But now, because I could live like that with just Heidi and eat tacos

and be chill. But I want to give my son and future family members, you know, because Heidi doesn't want to stop at one. So it's like, I want to build, you know, solid, you know, because I grew up with an amazing at one so it's like i want to build you

know solid you know because i grew up with amazing life yeah it's too late to be a dentist spencer pratt i just want to look to the camera and thank the daddy gang um oh my god for all the daddy gang promo code daddy and you get 20 off pratt daddy crystals you know i usually go to 15 but since it's daddy gay and i'm pratt daddy that is funny i was pratt daddy before you were yeah you know you kind of hijacked the daddy gang but i was like i think i and i used to literally claim as snapchat a year as pratt daddy i'll be like gang gang we out here gang gang i was like i never saw no you didn't i know you're too young you can't hijack something you didn't know existed no energetically i'm just kidding honestly thank you so much for coming i'm not ending i'm gonna

i'm leaving all right i'm leaving this is the real way to show thank you so much gotta go goodbye um spotify spotify live after room i'm to like be live after her show and doing my own live room. Goodbye, Spencer. Thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. I really do appreciate it. All right, we're just cut. I'm not going to stand up. Dude, you're great.

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