Call Her Daddy - The Chainsmokers: Cheating, Threesomes & Toxic Exes

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

The Chainsmokers join Call Her Daddy to discuss their evolution — and if you love a wild and crazy story-time, this episode is for you. From the start, Alex Pall and Drew Taggart were a match made in heaven - the duo discuss working together for the past 10 years and how prioritizing the success of The Chainsmokers has impacted each of them personally. They don’t hold back when talking about their love lives and share all of their messiest, albeit hilarious, breakup stories. They’ve been spied on with an elaborate pet cam scheme - and caught someone offering herself for availability to get peed on in a Craigslist ad — all for money to score some blow. The guys spill all of the tea on the threesomes they’ve had (“that’s a lot of man”), and reveal if they’ve ever slept with a fan. The pair reflect on failed relationships and gush about their current girlfriends while sharing the personal growth required to get to this point.

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Check your mics. How are you feeling? I want to hear every word. I want to hear the breath. Is that close enough for you? Yeah.

Triple check. I'm a heavy breather. Is this, like, too close? Are you a mouth breather? Mouth breathing is, like, a big thing, apparently. You know? close? No, I'm not. Are you a mouth breather? Mouth breathing is like a big thing apparently. Yeah. You know, like, well, actually like, sorry, like. Chewers, mouth chewers.

Nose breathing. Nose breathing? Yeah. I think that's how you're supposed to breathe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're supposed to breathe that way. Yeah. I didn't notice.

Are you a mouth breather? No, I'm not. That'd be a horrible thing to have like on the whole, on the tone of the podcast. You're just hearing this. I'm like, okay, we need to mute his mic. Okay, let's just start yeah chain smokers welcome to call her daddy thank you or i just got nervous now yeah alex just shit his pants he's like fuck let me take a drink cheers let's do a little another cheers cheers guys cheers everybody

calm down everything's gonna be okay the boys are a little nervous guys daddy gang be nice in the comments i wasn't at all. Same with Alex. Just right until we started. And now you're like professional Alex. I'm like, hello. Yeah. I feel like it's like you guys have seen this many times, you know?

I'm much more scared giving like a best man speech than I am performing in front of like 30,000 people. I think that makes sense, though. Isn't there a thing Dave Chappelle does where he only performs in front of like four people in a room before he does it I think I've heard that and it's 10 times harder yeah to perform in front of like three people than a crowd have you done a best man speech recently not that recently but I killed it I murdered it my speech because you always got a way you start a best man speech and someone tipped me off as is you just insult the guy who spoke before you right off the bat so you like give it you're, give it up for John. He did his best.

And then everyone immediately is like, ha ha, you know? And then you're like, and then you can launch into whatever. So I tried that. My sister got married, uh,

like the summer before last. And I tried that trick. Cause Alex had just killed this best man speech. He was telling me how good he did. And then I, you'd like, oh, you tried your best,

but I said it to like my like female cousin and it like really hurt her feelings. She's like sobbing. Yeah. She was like, hurt her feelings she's like sobbing yeah she was like fuck you she's like do we have beef on something i was like i don't know i just i just heard it was a good thing to say like and you just you did a great you had a great speech i'm sorry it was really heartfelt so we were supposed to meet in miami yeah well i feel like we were supposed to meet like so long ago it's weird that we have never met i'm kind of glad that didn't happen given the nature of like it's just such a shit show. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, every morning was, like, way too late.

Okay, wait. I want to ask you guys, because I was going to say, what did I miss in Miami? Because to give people context, we were supposed to do this interview in Miami. Yeah. I got sick. Maybe I was faking. Maybe I wasn't. No, I'm just kidding.

I was sick. Yeah. And I couldn't make it. Either way. What did I miss? Didn't happen. What did you guys do? We definitely thought about it.

It's such a shit show. I used to be, like, a receptionist in an art gallery and I would go to Basel. It was like 15 years ago and you would go to Basel and it was like one party, the liberal party, and then it was actually just like collectors and people that worked in the art world. And it was like really fun, but like really manageable. And now like I've never seen, I don't know where the art people are. I don't see them at all.

And it's just like craziness and there's so much shit and everyone's has fomo and you know like you'll be i remember being at i think it was like you know like miles and kago and those guys yeah they had a party and it was like awesome it was like black coffee was djing it was an open bar it was a bunch of friends and then everyone's like we got to go to this bob's party and i was like but why i was like we this is great here everything's great and you're like no no it's better over there for sure and i was like i feel like the people over there are saying that this is the same thing yeah everyone's like chasing the night it's like fashion week it's like we have to go to 10 events and it's like right like this party's kind of dope like yeah yeah why don't we just stay here

and it's just like you're constantly missing and feeling like you're you know in reality it's like none of it's true so how did you guys meet You guys have been together for 10 years. This is a thriving relationship. Drew, how did you guys meet? We met, I was finishing school in 2012, 2011. And Alex had actually started Chainsmokers with another kid. So I'm not the original Chainsmoker. Oh my God, where's he? He's a dog walker.

Well, that was last time we checked. Hopefully he doesn't watch this show. Shout there was an og yeah and then you came in and swapped well from my understanding the other kid didn't want it wanted to go and do his own like solo career and alex was like what the fuck like we built this whole thing up and it wasn't much by the way it was like djing and like sl you know what i mean like but it was something yeah yeah and and i like knew how to make music like pretty shitty music but i like was really into it and uh and then we met and he the other kid left and he was like i want to find someone who like makes music and we got introduced by our manager our current manager who's still with us to this day and yeah rest is history did you guys like immediately hit it off vibe wise personality why did you have a funny like you didn't know which one oh my god so i go so i go to new york

city i take like the the feng hua bus you know about this yeah yeah like 13 bus that goes from like boston to chinatown so i take that thing down there um and i like go and meet them at this club but i didn't know i knew there were two guys in chain smokers and they were both there and i didn't know which was which and i remember just going to the club and meeting and both of y'all and I was just like oh god I hope it's Alex like the other kid was okay but I really hope it's Alex and and thank god he texted me and I didn't even know because he texted me the next day and was like come over to my apartment and not until you opened the door to your apartment did I have confirmation it was you it's like a blind date and it was like what do you listen to and it was like I like Calvin Harris was like me too you know

what kind of beer do you drink and it was like and but like a blind date and it was like what do you listen to and it was like i like calvin harris was like me too you know what kind of beer do you drink and it was like and but like in reality what was really crazy and we did have this like conversation the first time we met was you know we were like what do you want to accomplish and how do you want to get there and we were like both of us were like we want to be the biggest you know artist on the planet and we'll take do whatever it takes to get there from like a work perspective and and then i want to branch out from there and create and use that platform to like get into other things that interest us and you know it's like kind of crazy now to look back on that because like we had no fucking idea back then it was like literally like cool let's let's do this then and then he moved down from you know

maine and i like quit my receptionist job and they were like are you crazy it's like a recession right now like you want to you know like go be a musician full-time and they were like listen we'll have you back you know when this fails and now it's like nuts like i buy art from them and it's like you know that's so crazy because it's kind of like a love story honestly we're like you've been together for 10 years you guys met on a blind date like and then you ended up being in front of him and you were like i really hope it's him and not the other one and then you guys got matched up. Quite romantic.

It is quite romantic. Perfect situation. Like it all worked out. So, okay, to people that are watching, I want them to like get to know you guys better individually through each other's eyes. Should I leave the room? No, because you guys are a couple. But I want to hear, let's start with Alex. How would you describe Drew to someone that doesn't know him?

So he likes to go deeper with things, and I'm like, I don't want to say I'm surface level, but I like to cover a lot more ground. He is the least communicative person on the planet. In fact, I think I texted Madison Beer about a song yesterday, and I was like, Hey, it's Alex. I got your number from drew because he sucks at texting so like i'm gonna you know gonna uh and it's not that like he doesn't care he just does i don't know what actually i don't know what goes on in my head yeah like you see it and you're just like uh you know what i mean yeah that's like move on exactly are you quiet what do you mean you're not communicative like well i read things but

alex is also hyper communicative so a lot of these conversations are like, I'm on an email or I'm on a text thread. He's already said what I would have said. True. Do you guys find yourself on the same page a lot? Yeah, most of the time. Yeah, we're completely aligned in goals and all that stuff. We've had our disputes, but it's always reconciled in a really reasonable way. You did walk into my house and say that you guys have gotten into multiple fist fights and punched each other yeah not in a couple years though yeah it's been a couple which might be we mean

we're due for one yeah but it's so you guys are just fighting over like regular shit but you guys have an ability it's like sibling fights you know where you're just together all the time like over front seat in like mexico like yeah i don't remember even being mad at you i think that was just yeah we were like hey we've never fought like in uh what's that mallorca at a club that was bad you know it wasn't just that he had been pissing me off for a while you know and i'm sure i've been pissing him off for a while you know and then it just gets that one moment yeah it just does the one thing and i was i lost and i initiate i think every fight i also are you hot-headed not anymore but i definitely was you've worked on it no yeah

therapy and stuff oh you've gone to therapy yeah have you guys ever gone to therapy together uh no we've considered doing like executive coaching but not not therapy maybe couples therapy is the move well now i feel like really yeah we don't have like issues yeah yeah you think that but as as a woman that's standing here that used to have being a duo did you go to couple therapy when you when you know but we should have apparently you can always get ahead of it yeah okay drew now you describe alex's personality um he's hilarious like i sometimes i'll just be like making a drink and we'll be you know just talking to somebody and i'll just overhear him just say the most outlandish thing to people i don't know where it comes from he also has like

filter the no filter and also the most insane memory like he will like remember well like we meet so many people every weekend we're doing like we've been doing 150 shows a year for the past seven years probably sometimes more even and a lot of those are in vegas where we're like hosting people for our tequila or our venture fund or people that we've just accumulated along the years and someone will walk in and he'll just he'll remember like i will be like i recognize this guy's face i can't place it he'll remember that their kids are in tennis lessons it's insane weird so he's a good person to have next to you because i'm you where i'm like i fucking know that face.

But I couldn't even tell you the name if you put a gun to my head. And you're like, oh, it's this person. They have this many kids. This is the address. But then I'm the one that's like, all right, I'm kind of like done this tonight. And Drew would be like, I just like stayed up till 6 a.m. with that guy. And now we're like brothers. I go deep with like one person or three people or whatever.

This is helpful. I'm definitely like way more like, I don't know what the word is. I guess it just depends. You're a surface level bitch. Yeah. And Drew is just in his field. But he's like – I don't know if anyone texts any more people than you per day. What?

He's like talking to like the head of some like massive like hedge fund and he's talking to like the bartender from the dueling piano bar in st louis that we played on a wednesday night in 2013 it's definitely like like it's crazy for sure okay and you're not answering your text at all exactly okay good to know good to know okay i'm fully taking advantage of his powers that's really great what are your fans like passive and chill we have like the most like relaxed nice fans ever like like we could just sit anywhere. And I think we have a really nice level of celebrity or fame,

whatever you want to call it, because maybe some people recognize us. Usually it's like they have to pull their phone out to confirm the sighting. And by the time they do that, we're gone. And move on. Or they'll just come up and be like, hey, big fan. And then it's like, dip out.

You know what I mean? We don't have any any like rabid you know crazy story i've told this fake story for like years about because we didn't have a fake crazy fake fan story and that was like what people always asked us so i just came up with one tell me and i lied about it for like seven years and i could be so good at telling it i haven't told in a while but basically it was the story about we play the show in italy and there was this fan in the front row that was like dead you know stone cold staring at both of us and was like really awkward and then in the middle of the show she pulls out like a buzzer and just starts shaving her head but like not changing her reaction and then she starts eating

her hair and then we're like freaking out and we're like losing our focus and then she's kind of just like disappears into the crowd and that's the story and then no one was like huh he told us in every interview it made it all the way to um larry king larry king he told larry larry king this story what the fuck are you did you guys coordinate this or did one day he just sprang this in an interview and he just made it up one day and we just kept going and you didn't say anything no it was just easier than the like you know like i just didn't have one and i just wanted to right just go along. I wanted an awesome story.

Do you have one now? Is there like a crazy fan interaction you can now tell or no? I just, fans are so pleasant and passive. They're just like, I don't know. No, that's fine. If you're any fans out there want to do something crazy. Yeah. Like get after it.

Yeah. Go, go for it. I think you're very fortunate though to be, to have. Do you have crazy fans? Like girls go to... Yeah, like I have some crazy interactions I've had. Are girls crazier or guys crazier for you? It's a different vibe.

The guys are always barstool fans. So they're like, Cooper! And I'm like, oh my God. And they'll like bear hug me. And I'm like, hello, sir. And it's like, it's very like growing. Have you ever hooked up with a fan? No, because most of my fans are women but i have had multiple guys are like no i'm like i'm like oh like you go hook up with dave um i've had i've had multiple times where like a fan will chase me

down and like give me a vibrator or like just something very and like i still use it to this day and i think of her like it's very cute. But my, I would say my fans are kind of similar. They're very chill, very passionate, but they're open books to me. And like we have like very cute interactions. A podcast is very different because you're speaking about yourself so much and getting deeper into yourself by talking about with other people. You see reflection and all that stuff. Like us, we just, they just hear our music and we're just two generic white guys. So they know the music, but it just two generic white guys so they know

the music but it doesn't right go beyond that you know but that's why it's fun to sit down with you guys you would probably be right on a podcast you want to get deep i'm definitely gonna launch a podcast i'm waiting i just need more time but it's gonna happen i could see you guys doing a pod it's gonna be dark and dangerous oh my god i'm not gonna be there you don't want to be on it i don't have the it's gonna be controversial i'm not consistent enough to do it okay right you don't have to work out that this is gonna be like yeah he's got stories it'll be good i'll listen one day maybe um okay alex take me through your guys like pre-show rituals and like how has it evolved over time it not much you know what i mean it's not like i feel like the thing about for us of these shows's like you don't want to like build up too much like tension and pressure it's almost like

do the least and just like oh it's just like a normal day that happens to have like a huge performance at the end of it so like the more that like when we have big shows and like our whole team's there and there are lots of friends it's like almost like builds up more anxiety because everyone's like asking you like are you nervous like are you excited how you feeling like you just feel more tension around you so for us it's like you know a warm-up like drinking some tequila backstage like maybe work out earlier in the day or something like that we have like a simple pre-ritual handshake and and it's like gay time but i feel like less you do it right now it's just it's that it's just like oh wow super simple yeah you can learn really simple yeah more like it's a superstitious thing that you have to do it when you guys are getting nervous

for a show do you guys really lean on each other or do you guys go kind of like individual mode like i like just like sit there individually and deal with your stress i feel like it's kind of like i don't know i feel like we don't share necessarily like how nervous you are because that probably just makes other everyone more nervous. But I think, you know, like in the case of like Vegas, I mean, this is a weird example. But like if I'm exhausted and you can see it, like he'll step up and go harder and like vice versa or you know what I mean? In that sense. So you can kind of tell when someone needs like, yeah, like needs like, OK, like he's just clearly like you know sick right now or like

like we do play sick all the time i think we've only canceled one show ever and you know and you're just like all right i'm gonna pick up the slack and like give a little bit extra today so like because he clearly just you know is struggling this is a real team unit here i'm really liking the vibe it's very cool it really is because like it's like you know the same way i feel like when girls can like look and look each other and like communicate like everything and then guys are just sitting there clueless about what just happened right you guys are the ones insane yeah and they're like we should probably go and you're like what what do you just say to her you know that's such a specific and so fucking relatable of just being like yeah we're actually gonna go and you guys are like excuse me

that was a good example so in 2019 you guys after a tour, went off of the grid. And you kind of went on a hiatus. What the fuck happened? How did you come to this decision? Tell me about it. Well, we just felt really burnt out after 2019. I mean, I told you we've been doing like 150 shows a year we had just like released our third album in the fall of 2019 and then we did a 42 city arena tour with five

sauce and we just got home we're like never again like that was just too much after like a whole summer of like back and forth from vegas to, Vegas to Europe every week. There's two people that are making the decisions. How do you guys balance what's good for you individually and then what's good for the chain smokers? I mean, we've been pretty on the same page in our personal lives. Like we've made a lot of sacrifices. And this is a big thing that we've been talking with our team about now that we're in our 30s like well into our 30s and it's harder you know and there's a lot of we haven't gone to a lot of weddings we haven't been here on weekends ever you know we haven't we've like every you know we sacrifice our weeks just you know like last week two days were just erased being on a plane you know and so I think we've been really aligned on that thus far you know

we've just been trying to get it and be successful and and do our thing and not leave anything on the table and i'm really thankful that we took that approach but i mean going forward we definitely will have to be more communicative about like hey i don't want to be in la this much or i don't want to go to vegas this much or i don't want to do and who knows what that's going to be but like our lives are changing so that's like a new hurdle that's probably coming for us yeah it's a it's tough because I think you got to balance like you can't forget like how lucky we are to be in this position to begin with and it's like I see so many people like taking advantage of that opportunity and letting it just slip between their fingers because they

think it's just like it's hard work like there are people hundreds thousands of people tens of thousand people out there that are trying to do what we do and they're working three times as hard as we are potentially. So I think like we've always had that like grit and determination. Like we might not always be the best at the certain things we do, but like I know we apply ourselves and work harder than most people at the things we care about. So I think it's ingrained in like the fabric of our personalities which is like

we're super competitive like we want to be the best we want to get the best out of ourselves and we also like i i feel like if i just ran into you somewhere in the street and you were like hey you know oh my god like do you feel accomplished everything i would be say like absolutely not like we have like very heavy imposter syndrome so for us it's like we feel like we're just kind of also getting started and have so much more to do and say from what this you know chapter is but you also you know like you do want to start thinking about the other things in life that like you possibly can get joy out of because it's like these are probably all like really unhealthy character traits that like lead to

you know a life looking back at like 70 being like oh my god like what the fuck yeah i took like three vacations all the way here yeah exactly but also there's like a balance where like you can really potentially accomplish really amazing things i get what you're saying but it's interesting to hear you because like i feel like there's so many people that have success and you're so scared to be like wanting the normal things that come with life that you're like I haven't been to a wedding in a while like I wasn't in LA for like a weekend just like chill and you can in your mind you're like I am I being ungrateful like am I coming off like I don't appreciate what I have but I do think like I understand what you're saying of like there needs to be sometimes a

better balance but that also is fucking weird because again I've been in a duo where it's like inevitably you both have different wants for like your personal life right like maybe you have a different plan of like do you both want kids do you not want kids do you want to get married and so like you kind of have to stay somewhat on the same page like how do you guys navigate that it just worked out kind of in some weird way i mean we are very communicative about those things and i think like we want the happiness of the other person so it's like you know we've gotten this far i don't think we were like we wanted you know we've always been aligned on the goals we wanted to get and how to achieve them like but at the same time it's like you know as you get older you're kind of like hey i recognize like all of our friends like all my

friends are married with kids like i'm probably the last person other than like our agent uh but do you guys feel like because it's interesting like to have your job which is partying and performing and like making people have such a good time do you feel like people or maybe like media has kind of pigeonholed you into being the same people you were 10 years ago? I mean, we have a great relationship with the media and press. Like, absolutely not. You said that so serious at first. I was like, really, Alex? Oh my God.

No, talk about that. You gave us just glowing reviews. How did it evolve of like who the Chainsmokers started as from your opinion and who you guys are now? Yeah, I mean, we were just ultimately huge. That opinion of like the being pigeonholed, I think is was DJ as EDM as a whole. You know, we came up in this like super party centric, very drug centric, like scene, you know, that's like kind of pop probably, I'd say like 2016. But that was like a whole that was a wave that we rode to like relevancy i guess we were young

you know what i mean it's like you make mistakes and i think you know uh but start you know regret like we've grown up a ton and and like there's a lot of things we regret doing but i think that's just like a natural progression for anyone i think there are a lot of mistakes we avoided too by like i think we kind of were lucky we went both went to college and graduated and and like didn't have like success at 18 and become super rich and that stuff like we understand the value of a dollar and like working in shitty jobs and doing you know putting in the time i can relate to that like i feel like i had obviously like a very specific persona when i started this it was like the sex girl yeah that's the blonde that works at barstool and it was like i definitely

played into what i was given and the platform that i was kind of like going with but then it can get exhausting and be like hey guys like i don't party like every night and like i don't like have sex every single day like 24 7 like so i think i can relate to you guys on being like i appreciate how we came up but but like we've evolved. Like we definitely have certain things that are different about us. It's not just party, drugs, perform, fuck girls and go to sleep. Not to get too deep, but like on more of a personal level, how have each of you like individually, I'll start with you, Drew, like evolved as a human being since the beginning of the success and everything took off to where you are now? I've calmed down a lot. I used to be hyper insecure and I'm still have insecurities,

but like so much so that like it drove me and I'm almost thankful for it. And I always like had this like thing inside me that wanted to be successful and just kind of, you know, do everything, but be friends with everybody. And, you know, I had this like idea and I was always chasing that and I was always worried that I was never going to do it. And I feel like that, like probably like negatively impacted some like relationships I had early, like through college. I just didn't, you know, you know, I was so focused on what I was doing. Um, and I, I wasn't able to be like generous or I didn't have the, you know, the mindset to like be the person that I am now that I really appreciate. And I'd say that's probably the biggest thing is, you know, I've really enjoyed just being calm and appreciative and being able to like, you know, help people with opportunities that, you know.

He really is insanely generous to everybody in hosting people it's actually crazy how yeah this is like a hostel you live in a hostel or you host a hostel because are you kind of saying like in romantic relationships or i guess even friendships like you couldn't be as present and giving because you were trying to be selfish because you were trying to make something for yourself yeah that makes sense yeah what about you alex i don't know i was trying to think of a good like reasonable answer to this while he was talking pretty good yeah it was pretty good i mean i guess if i could like reflect further back i mean my dad passed when i was like 12 and a half or something like that and i think that was like very defining moments i remember a lot of people coming to me being like there's two

paths you know you can kind of go that like fucked up route where you lose a parent and everything kind of spirals out of control from there. Or you kind of use this as like a moment to catalyze like how you want to live your life. And I was always like an average student and had like terrible ADHD. And I don't remember like at some point in like late in high school, I don't know if I just started making lists, like really something simple of that. that is like writing the things down that i want to accomplish oh my god these kids lists and it just like something changed and i do feel like you know in a lot of ways like in college you know when i graduated i was like was a receptionist art gallery not a very like awesome position to have like they and i was not a good one at that and and then also like a dj and i think about like my mom and my

friends that were all becoming like doctors and wall street finance people and and lawyers and it was kind of like crippling anxiety of being like i can barely take care of myself like who would ever want to be with me like how could i ever have a family like i literally am like stealing quarters from my roommate to get like boston market and i mean like, like, yeah, he had a lot of quarters, so I didn't feel bad. And, and, and, and just like, you know, and it was like crazy. So like when to see like us kind of materialize this thing, it was like, holy shit. Like I actually, for the first time ever, like can take like a deep breath on some way and be like, things might actually be okay for me and work out.

And I'm just super proud of like the things we've accomplished over the years. And it just really motivates me to want to like just push it further and further. Well, I appreciate you both sharing that because it is interesting to hear individually. And it now makes sense to me how you guys work so well together. That's why I was kind of trying to like get and I still want to keep going just individual to then get back to the hole because it's interesting I feel like both of you had such a good drive internally wanting to make it I'm interested to know like how has that affected your like relationships for you romantically because the chain smokers has to be priority

how to how has that affected your guys relationships that's been I realize like looking back as times as 2020 like a lot of the people I dated I had to date someone that was uh down with what we were doing um which is which was really fun I had a lot of awesome relationships that like were seriously fulfilling and fun. Um, I think only in the past like couple of years have I like realized that probably the person that's like down to do, they have to be down to do some stuff, but the person who's down to do everything is probably not the one I'm supposed to be with. I need someone that has their own thing that I have to go be a part of and want to go be a part of. Uh, but before that it's been,

you know, I realized my selection has been very congruent with like what served our business, you know, and we work really hard and I think we're both now really actively, I mean you for a little bit longer than me, like really trying to break out of our own heads and, and have perspective and be like, wait, this week is so intense. Wait, every week's intense. And if every week's intense, then I need to figure out a better way to deal with it because this, what am I chasing? You know? Yeah.

Have either of you ever gone through a breakup that the catalyst was kind of like, this isn't working for our life right now as the chain smokers, like this relationship isn't working for us essentially. I mean, i don't think we have influence i feel like that's one of those funny things like you could not like someone's girlfriend but like you know not you don't say that shit you know i mean like out of the blue like if he's upset about something then it's an opportunity to speak you know but don't be like yo i hate your chick and you're just like great well you want to go to dinner like tomorrow night

yeah yeah double day and not that like, that's even been the case. But, like, I think, you know, like, everyone's on their own journey through these things. And I don't know, like, all the intricacies of what, like, he loves or, you know, about someone and vice versa. I think, again, like, why we never lived together. Like, certain things are good to be, you know, kept separate. But, like, more importantly, it's just, like, you can tell what also when the other person is suffering yeah as a result of the relationship and it's like a delicate balance of being like you got to let them get there themselves you can't force someone to see that truth you know what i mean yeah but but like also at the same time it's like you know it's tough when that's

happening because you do feel it like potentially affecting you know the business but but you're like but again it's like they're bigger things at play here so like again like the ego doesn't come into check and you're not like bus in the studio being like your fucking songwriting sucks like right you know what i mean like why are you so depressed all the time and you know we're not making music and songwriting sucks these days although i'm sure heartbreak you're too happy in your relationship it's a great catalyst yeah yeah that is like that's toxic though because i had sometimes where i was like i'll just go on the date because it's gonna give me great content and i was like like things aren't going well you're like right yeah you're like let's go this song is gonna be fucking killer he's like so depressed get broken up with like do something

and then get in the fucking yeah yeah so you said you're in a relationship yeah yeah how long have you been in a relationship about three years maybe a little longer three and a half yeah yeah she's great really good i mean she's amazing and i think to like his point what he said like you kind of acknowledge somehow i feel like a lot of the people you date are kind of a reaction to the last person in some ways like looking for things that were missing or didn't fulfill you in some capacity and you kind of like stumble along potentially until you kind of unlock something where you're like oh i get what get what I like, what I what I really need now out of this. You guys have very full lives and like your public and, you know, I feel like you need someone that's not just like up your ass being like Drew and Alex, like I'll do whatever you want. It's like I'm sure at times that's worked because you need someone that's going to be doing that.

But in actual relationship, the person is big. Hey, it's not all about you. Yeah, you don't just know. Like, I have a life too. You just don't fucking know. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I really sympathize, like, with single people and people in bad relationships.

And, you know, like, it's not easy. What about you, Drew? Single, relationship? I'm in a relationship. Okay. It's, like, fairly new, a couple months. It's exciting. How'd you guys meet?

We got set up on a date a year ago fun and it was the worst date either of us had ever been on not fun yeah it was just like zero vibes just misconnection and didn't see each other for i think like six months after that and then last summer just kept running into each other and then the bad day become became like a fun conversation point and we like hit it off on like the 4th of july and then started hanging out then ish and august and then i started dating i guess like september probably look at the two of you just like your healthy dynamics have either of you ever not liked the other person's partner? For sure. Yeah. Yes. For sure.

How did you handle it? I think Alex kind of touched on it earlier where you can't say, yo, this is like not right for you out of context. Right. It has to be, something has to happen and, you know, one of us comes to the other and says, yeah. But you know. I mean, like, you know.

Yeah, you know. And you're always like hoping to be like he'll understand and we've all seen it now we're like so intimate with our entire crew we've seen like every like from our tour manager to our drummer to our like our our agent we've seen them all date the wrong person and like we've all taken our like little trip down that road and it's funny because when it's happening to somebody else you're like that's never gonna happen to me and then it shows up in a different format and boom it happens to you yeah and while you're in that format it's like you know you're like yo fucking they hate her and you know but you're like this isn't right but you're like they just don't know her yet like i know her and then

you're like no they do really know her and i'm just wrong about this like that's the worst when you're in a relationship where when you find yourself saying that if anyone is watching this and you're like they just don't get it that's probably the first red flag to be like no they get it you don't fucking get it and that's the thing it's like you look about a lot a lot of relationships and you know you can blame the other person you just it wasn't a match it wasn't the right time it wasn't it's not them it's not you i have great breakup stories i mean there's all sorts of awesome do you can tell anonymously. I mean, should I give the ultimate one? Give something. You guys are saying a little lightly.

Give the, the, the pet cam. Yeah, the pet cam is good. Yeah. Is that the ultimate one? Yeah, that's the ultimate one. Okay, so I was seeing somebody and, you know, over the course of the relationship, it was just like all these fights kept happening that I didn't really like understand why. Like I would just get like a text

when we were like on tour and be like, you're a fucking asshole. And I'd be like, I don't know what I could have possibly have just done. And it would be like, you know what you did. And I'd be like, no, I'm asking, like that's what I'm asking you. What did I do?

And it was just like, and then she would like disappear for two days. And it was just like the most unhealthy, and you're just like, I don't know what's what's happening like i feel like i'm losing my mind and one day i've lived you know this my friend of mine craig he's like an ex-firefighter and uh he's kind of the man he's like uncle craig and uh and uncle craig yeah he's a very uncle craig and you know i forgot what happened got in a fight about something and i was like and it was the sort of thing where i was like like you know when we were you know it's like looking through Instagram and being like, oh, damn, that girl's like super hot.

And then I'd be like, I wish on a star. And, you know, and then like the girlfriend would be like, what the fuck did you say? It's not what we say. I wish on a star. It's not what we say. Yeah. It's a really PC way of, you know. I wish on a star.

I wish on a star I could. I could hang out with that beautiful, nice, smart woman. Yeah. But like, you know, it's like guy talk where you'd be like, damn, that girl's, you know, ass is amazing or whatever. And then like I got lit up about this. And I like told my, I went to Craig and I was like, Craig, did you fucking tell her that we were saying it?

Like, you know, like we're just like talking about this, how hot this girl is. And he was like, of course not. Are you kidding me? Why would I do that? And I was like, how else would she kidding me why would i do that and i was like how else would she have known like this is just weird and he was and it was like in passing and he was just like house is bugged dude and i was like nah and so anyways these fights kept happening and and then on my birthday the girl was like i am going to uh i'm going to can because i i don't work in

the film industry but it's really important that I go which I totally related and understood totally she needed to go and so she left and she was pissed at me disappeared didn't say bye I think she was gone for a few weeks and I was like damn what a shitty way to leave on that note but I was like alright fuck it

you were really annoying on that birthday you got really drunk I did get really drunk I tried to fight the elephante door guy yeah i thought the elephante door guy yeah i'm sure he's so nice i had to give him 100 bucks yeah but you were just pissed you were in a bad place no i was just hammered i mean this doesn't even have anything to do with her i was just a drunk guy and uh and she her leaving had nothing to do with you being drunk too yeah just to clarify so my mom hated her my you know my sister hated her everyone didn't like her at this point you hated her too you definitely hate her and at this point i was like i think i probably should call this soon like i was beginning to get those vibes

but but i was also like i'm such an optimist you know like it's hard for me to kind of like pull that rug out so anyway she bounces and then i'm like sitting at like my table in my kitchen and i just kind of see this thing out of the corner of my eye that wasn't there like a day ago. And basically like two exes ago had bought me this dog pet treat camera where you can like shoot treats out of it. And it's like motion sensor recording camera. You know these things? Yes. And so the dog walks up to it and the camera turns on and alerts your phone.

Yeah. And you shoot a treat out. And so I had gotten this gift and i never set it up because it was just kind of just complicated and we were just busy all the time and whatever and i you know but one day it was like sitting on this table and i was like oh that's kind of you know odd that it's out but like it's not it's not it's not for a dog my dog's not getting any treats so that surely this thing's not hooked up and and it's plugged into like the outlet and i was like huh i guess my housekeeper saw this like hanging wire and was like, let me plug it in.

Such an optimist. So I unplug it and like plug, you know, I'm a Juul smoker. So I was like, it's the only outlet for my Juul. So I would plug it. And this went on for like in my head looking back months. I was like, I kept unplugging this thing. And then one day I was like sick of like unplugging and plugging it back in that I was like, I'm putting this thing and putting it in a drawer. And this is annoying.

Why is this out? Right. And this is like when she left for ken but miraculously the thing is like back on the table now and then it was like the matrix it was like oh my god i've been getting spied on for like seven months by this fucking pet camera and i get up close to it and she had like blacked out the recording light like really with a marker with a marker and then covered it with an additional piece of electrical tape

perfectly cut out that you would never have noticed it this bitch is genius and I was like Greg I was like we got her

you know what I mean and we went on the security cameras and there's video of like she like walks downstairs into the kitchen notices the cameras

like unplugged goes over opens a cabinet so she's already scouted the actual notices the cameras like unplugged oh goes over opens a cabinet so the so she's already scouted the actual house security cameras she like looks up opens the door does something like behind the door for like a weirdly long time and then closes it and leaves and then the thing's plugged in yeah and so it's crazy and it's always wild and so i was like how do we like broach this like i was like it's red-handed you know what i mean there's no doubt in my mind now it's like sometimes you know like you'd be like oh so-and-so sorry with the club like you

know with this girl and you're like i don't know who to believe like this was like i've got your ass like 100 and so i was like we can do a couple of things right now we can like play along with this and like maybe i get like a fake ring and then like tell Craig I'm gonna like propose and like do this. And get her to admit it. Yeah, and get her to like see it on the camera and then, but never like bring it up, you know, and just leave her in this like suspenseful

while she's watching from Ken. You know what I mean? I love it. But then I was like, fuck, I kind of want to just be single and have fun. Yeah. We were like, please just get to that face. Yeah, so I just like called her up

and I was just like, yeah, you know. I got you. And she was like so angry. She's like, what? And I was like, like you tell me i got found a camera in my house and you've been spying me on she was like you're fucking crazy and this i was like it's not we don't have to fight it's so genius the fact that like she got an alert every time like at 3 a.m that him and craig are sitting at the front table having guys talk yeah so she watched all of his like late night conversations they'd be like what

did you say about like you know so and so and you'd be like i don't understand like i've never even talked to this girl before you know it's like an instagram person that like you know like he breaks up that is so epic and truly so genius and so fucked up it is you gotta give her credit i give her credit only if i was like in a position where like she thought you were being super shady and she wanted to catch you. But I never I never I was a totally I was a totally good boy. Yeah. You were a saint. I really was.

I really was in this one. Yeah. And you know what? I think it's like that's almost like if you get someone's iPad or you get a way to like look at their shit. You have to stop eventually. We wrote a song about that. You did? Yeah.

It's called iPad. Oh, yes. Yeah. You guys did. Oh, wow. Was it? wrote a song about that yeah you did yeah it's called ipad oh yes yeah you guys did oh wow was it it wasn't about that you know it's about what you know why you go through the ipad right i've been through the ipad before because if you go through the phone they delete text but it comes up on the i message on the ipad oh i've been in the situation where i literally handed him the ipad i said open it right now yeah yeah because he showed me his phone i'm like your phone looks so beautiful. It's like your mom and your aunt and me and your grandma. Open the fucking iPad, you piece of shit.

And all of the sex stuff. I was like, wow. I was just like, yo, if you put it on the floor and give me my dog treats, I never would have asked a question about it ever. That was her one mistake. That's a great fucking story. Yeah. Yeah. that's a great fucking story yeah what were your guys lives like um dating wise before you guys became the chain smokers i know you went to syracuse yeah

i went to syracuse how what were you like in college it was like college you know it was just college i mean like yeah you like you like date a couple girls right shout out to mckay yeah i was that was a frat bro oh you were a frat guy so you had a nice time yeah and you went to nyu alex yeah i was a new york city boy i was like a terrible club I was like a quantity club promoter not quality like but like I love you know that was our career yeah you actually were a club promoter oh for sure this is so great but it was like it taught me honestly like I know this is like I've shot out to all my club promoters out there you know making ends meet uh but uh but I like it taught me a lot about like staying in touch with people and like you know like how do you differentiate yourself like a stupid night out that's the same night every night from a different club to next and how do

you like you know like make your thing a little bit more special than the other guy or whatever that's the other club and and like for me like you know i think this part of my life girls were always sort of a challenge you know like i again i was like stealing quarters i wasn't exactly like desirable beyond like whatever crappy table i was like getting two free bottles at or something. And I think – but it did like I think force me to like have a bit more of a personality. You know what I mean? The self-awareness. Also, I will attest like Alex's club personality is remarkable.

There's no one better in a club. Like he can have a full conversation and he doesn't even hear the other person, but his reaction is so genuine. That's great. That keeps them talking and keeps them engaged. And then he'll just pick off, I guess, where you like left off. And like, you're like, I love that guy. And he's like, I don't know who that is.

And I didn't understand a word they said. I really respect that because the club promoter, you can be the creepy club promoter, which I don't think you were. No, I wasn't the creepy club promoter. If you were, we would never know. I couldn't, no one would have come back no i'm gonna come back right yeah i do respect that um okay i want to hear from both of you drew obviously i know you're both in relationships but like what is alex's type i'm curious what're going to draw between all these. Yeah, yeah. Like physically? Oh, just all around.

Kind of like – I mean I would say like up until his current girlfriend who I adore, he has – he's attracted to like some kind of severe issue. Yeah. For real. Like think about every single one up until the current one like just want to clarify we love moo moo's great close with the family yeah like very empathetic takes your side takes all of our side you know like she's amazing there was always something

like fucked up with every single other one yeah yeah it's probably fair and like that but that that's like what got you you know what i mean Like I feel like I made it like entertaining for you. Yeah. I mean, you're also like, again, I don't know. You might be right.

I really, I really appreciate the honesty and I like how you received that. There was no defensiveness. You were just open and you accepted that. None of them were the right ones. That's for sure. There you go. They're all great too.

In their own perspective. These weren't great for me. Totally. But they all got one thing severely seriously something is wrong watch yourself in new york now i know i'm on the street right um okay alex what is drew's type i mean it's kind of a similar thing in the way that like i think both our current girlfriends are like very radically different from like the previous like it's like something changed or clicked you know in which i also think it's true like i'm not conciding like our last album release and changing our lives but like in some ways like

something did happen like in the last year and a half or two years with us that i think like whether it's our insecurity or just the confidence that we have and like ourselves or you know just like like knowing who we want to be as we get older because i think maybe like he liked girls that were like part of like the scene a little bit and maybe had that like like if you people were excited you know what i mean it was like like it was like oh you can't believe like you're dating that person sort of so like they you're saying they were excited about the lifestyle yeah that drew presented i don't know if that's like totally fair like a common thread between all of them because like some of them like didn't enjoy going out some like fucking

love going out like some like loved you know their power of their social media and other ones like cared less about it you know but i think it was like uh like a like a like a being out yes out there you know outside they loved the life did you feel that in the moment um i mean like most of the girls i dated were like very and like i saw great relationships with all of them um first of all um i don't know if that's a good or bad thing i mean literally like my bridges are so burned. Like I'm so it's like Pangea you know

in versus now now the world as you know it. Oh my god. You can't see them on the street. That shit will just get crazy.

No I thought I was going to get stabbed the last time I saw one of my exes and I like had to leave out of like pure fear of my own life. And then Drew's like

I'm friends with all of them. They're everywhere. They're all so close. We're not close but like you know I just It's chill. of them. They're everywhere. We're all so close. They're all the way around. We're not close, but like, you know, I just. It's chill. You know.

It's chill. Okay, fair. Like, what's there to be mad? But I was just like, this is kind of done now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how I felt. Are you guys the type of people that would go back to exes ever? My shit is burned.

They ain't no one back. It's done. Ow. It is. They like go down and like flames. Like yours feel like they really end yeah dramatic there's no like like hook i think like maybe one time like an ex when she was like blacked out like showed up at my door and was like i'm down to have sex with you like one more time right and

that was like 18 years ago yeah yeah so like that like it was a long time since that happened but i'm glad because i do see like a lot of couples have that really annoying six, eight month weird buffer where you're just like, what's happening here? Why is she still around? I get it. No one likes her. She doesn't like you. We know this. Fair.

So I think in some ways the hard cut is important for both people to kind of move on. Is Drew good at the hard cut? I would say on more than no side no yeah i'm not good on the hard cut yeah but you're getting better i mean i'm dating someone now like it's not like it's not you know yeah yeah yeah but sometimes you would linger back yeah like you break up like oh we're still friends oh my god drew is the guy that's just but i think we do right on back but i think we both care about i mean this is like i wish we didn't but we really care what people think like you don't want to leave like i don't let them make me like happy that like all my exes like blow my brain out if they could like see me you know have either of you ever been cheated on probably actually i know i have for sure yeah how did you find out um yeah okay what's the definition

cheating emotional or physical okay um then yeah definitely why what were you thinking of yeah well like like physically i know about one time okay but it was like one it was like the thing where like the girl i was living in new y York and the girl like broke up with me ish. It was like, I need a break. And then like fuck some other dude. And I knew that happened. And then I, she got back together with me like two weeks later and I was like, so just flick through the old phone and boom, there it was.

There it was. Okay. You got to look through the, for the best friend texts. Yeah. Not, you don't look for the guy. You look for the best friend. Drew knows. That's't look for the guy. You look for the best friend. Drew knows. That's someone that's definitely been cheated on.

Is that what you were saying is like what considered cheating? Because what you were on a break? Or was there a different thing of like emotional? Oh, no. There's another like emotional thing. That's rough. Yeah. How did you find out?

The iPad. iPad. It's always the iPad. Yeah, iPad. What about you? How did you find out you got cheated on, Alex? I mean, I think it's happened in like maybe like two or three times. But it was all for the best.

That's good. That's good. But I think – what was the first time? I think the first time I was just like – it was just so obvious. You know what I mean? It was just like I just didn't know how – like the – Like you can feel when it's happening. Yeah, yeah.

I just couldn't figure it out. And like they just lied over and over again so you didn't really like have proof until finally i think they just like i don't remember it was just again it was like someone told me and then you were just like show me the map you know what i mean it was like this is it and then it was like again it was like a relief it was like thank god because like i this was like so such a waste anyways but the really funny one and by the way, just speaking in general for everyone out there, I actually don't think looking through people's phones is healthy, including you have to practice what you preach.

I think on some levels, if you feel like something is really fucking off, then sure, go get your proof. But just because you've been in a bad relationship in the past doesn't give you creative freedom to go and like design a story about what yeah right but but in this case i was like something's fucking up like you know i could not like you know i mean and i was like wait are you gonna tell the craigslist story on nice what tell me i don't know which one's worse craigslist this is like way long ago this is like i I was at NYU when this happened.

This is like Blackberry. We're ready. There's not even iPhones. I don't think you could even lock a Blackberry. Okay, we're ready. This is a good one. And I was just like so over it. I was like this, you know, this girl's being shady with a friend of mine that I introduced to her.

Like I got another girl. And I was just like, I thought it was like maybe like a drug thing or whatever. I couldn't figure it out. And I was just like kind of at the end of it and whatever. And I always had a problem too of girls moving in with me too fast, which I think is like a very New York thing to do because like it's hard to like survive in New York. So it's like you kind of just like come on and come on down.

Live in my studio apartment with me. And so I remember going and looking in the bathroom. I had no idea what I was going to find. And I was like same thing. Went to the to find. And I was like, same thing. Went to the best friend text and it was like, you know, all about getting blow. You know what I mean? So I was like, oh, maybe that's the problem. She's just like kind of has like a drug problem right now.

And she's wrapped up in that. Like, that's not so bad. But then it was like, like unveiled. It was like, it was like, how do we get like, we're out of money. Like, how do we get blow? And it was like, I have an idea. Like, why don't you go on Craigslist and like pee on somebody and i was like oh my god i was like oh no you know and i was like so i and then there were the emails and it was like she was peeing on people yeah

there were the emails where they were and this is like not tech this is not like today's technology too it's like blackberry you know what I mean wow and uh and I was just kind of like

I remember just like you know I wasn't even mad because it was like kind of such a bizarre I feel like that's a good way to go out like it's almost better

that it was like peeing on someone like I can't tell a lot of other breakup stories like this is such a great story right and it like wasn't a big deal

in the like history of my you know like totally so you like laugh about these things and you're just kind of like i remember just like waking up and i was just like you know i know you're peeing on people and for drugs and she's got a we just gotta call we're gonna have to we're gonna have to call it you can't live with me yeah you can't blame me she's like i didn't hook up with them and i was like we're getting like you know like we're really getting granular here about what's happening. She's like, it wasn't in their mouth. It was just on the – you're like, I don't want to know where you were getting – I was more like, you're super hot.

Who's the lucky guy that was like hit up some Craigslist ad to get a girl to PM? And then you showed up like – Right. Like a jackpot. You know what I mean? That's right. That's where my head was at. I was like, I don't know what you're charging.

That is such an incredible story that I think you're right. You can take pride in that. Yeah, yeah. It's not sad. It's like a once in a lifetime. She found her niche on Craigslist and she went with it. I just like how manipulated she got. Her friend was like, you should go do this.

Even though they were both doing the drop. It was like, why don't you go pee? You're not in a relationship. And it's like no you do it yeah wow alex you've got some great story times today old man do you guys even talk about sex with each other yeah absolutely all the time oh you do yeah oh i don't know i feel like some guys are just i want to clarify like the sweater was a bad choice i'm so warm take it off yeah take it off okay i'm gonna do that i'm like really red right now. I just want to clarify.

It got hot in here. After Alex was talking about peeing and the women, taking the whatever. I'm not into that shit, by the way, everybody. Just for the record. Otherwise, I would have stayed with her. Can we make sure the AC is on? We're almost done. I promise.

I'm not going to keep you guys too much longer. Yeah. I knew everyone was getting hot. Do you want to take your sweater off? No, I'm cool as a cucumber. Okay. Drew's like. I'm dying. Okay take your sweater off? No, I'm cool as a coupon. Okay. Drew's like... I'm dying.

I feel some heat, but I'm okay. So you guys talk about sex with each other. Yeah. Okay. You guys obviously don't need to say the name of someone, but when I say this question, if someone comes to mind, who is the best sex you've ever had?

You don't have to say their name, but explain why. Fuck yeah i wish i don't know the answers um i do it's my current girlfriend so go ahead drew um i i felt like i was very first of all it was someone i wasn't dating it was like it was like a hookup situation that was super random and like last minute and like happened a couple of times. And I think like the spontaneity, the whole thing was amazing. There was zero expectations. And then every now and then, and this is really rare because, you know, a lot of times, especially,

you know, if you really care about someone before you hook up for the first time, it's sometimes really hard to perform how you want to perform and receive love the same way. I think on both sides. When you have spontaneous sex with someone that you're just into, there's none of that. But it's also really rare in those situations that you find someone that's, like, you're sex sexually connected with. You know, you can have average sex with anybody, but, like, every now and then, like, you'll have, like, a hookup that's just... Great.

Yeah, you're both on the same page. You're into the same things. Your bodies fit together the right way. Like, that type vibe. That's really good. That's a great answer. Which one of you is more likely in the past to hook up with a fan? Toss-up. Yeah yeah really depends on the city yeah let's get it i was i was i figured you'd ask northeast definitely and like when you say fan do you mean like someone at our show or like a

diehard fan because i don't think we've ever hooked up with like a diehard fan like no one wearing merch or anything okay okay that's fair that's fair that's really fair take the merch off their body you're wearing my face still hot um okay so just like someone at your concert that's fair yeah toss up it's a talk both of you are getting okay that's fair how often do people propose threesomes with the two of you and how often have you accepted get out of my head this is up to you to answer i don't want to answer this question it's call her daddy how often is it proposed not proposed seldom yeah yeah but it's a lot of men for man but it's happened

does it count if it's internationally i'm so proud of you guys was it what did you look at each other differently that morning the first time all the times. I think we were just like, what the fuck just happened? Because it wasn't like a – we were never planned. You know what I mean? It was always like just like I don't know what is happening right now,

but like I'm also just like – I don't know. It's weird. I'm not going to lie. I don't know like how – I think that's how three symptoms happen though in any way. Absolutely. It's usually never planned. This just starts – oh, it's – oh, that, okay, I guess we're doing that. It's been a long time, you know what I mean?

But in the early days. To be clear. It was also, like, the days when we, like, we used to have to, like, share hotel rooms. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we would be in Europe. They have the two beds. They don't even split them apart. Right.

You know what I mean? Like, they literally have two singles. So it's, like, almost by force we were forced yo this is that sounds crazy by the european government because they don't separate their beds right you just had to make the most of this the bad situation they just separated the beds like america does right right right so you just made it work. Yeah. Do you guys remember your first one? Like, did you look at each other differently? I was like, man, this guy's hot. I'm glad he's my partner.

Yeah. I think I'm actually blushing now. Now it's not the heat. Yeah, I'm actually blushing. I'm just so concerned about how what Alex just said is going to be taken. No, I think it's great. What part? The government? We were forced. No, I think it's great. What part?

The government? We were forced. No, no, no. Not by the women, by the government. By the government. The government forced us to do all kinds of things. There's just a lot. I mean, we had a lot of mileage on these tires. You know what I mean?

It's good. It's good. Have you guys ever been into the same person? And how do you deal with that? We can't even move on. I'm just like. Drew's like, like okay i need to go yeah it's okay drew it's gonna be okay i don't think we ever have hooked up with the same person but i'm not positive um you just said you had a fucking threesome oh that's a good point but like i thought you meant like separately have you okay yeah that's

fair okay fair fair fair what's the one thing for you both that you meant like separately have you okay yeah that's fair okay fair fair what's the one thing for you both that you're like I really like this from someone in bed for all the ladies listening give us a little tip I mean confidence you know like someone who like knows what they like that can just take control and like there's a lot of um you have people that just don't do that like I mean, as you know, it goes both ways. It doesn't even have to be a right, just confidence of this is what I'm trying to do right now. And I think especially from the beginning when you hook up with someone and they're like, I'm trying to fuck you instead of whatever you want to do is so much harder.

I mean, can I just say the same, Sam? Yeah. I mean, that is true though you know but i think it cuts both ways also like you can be confident and submissive at the same time i agree with that yeah um what type of women intimidate you all of them yeah your exes kind of women intimidate um very stylish women yeah because i i am trying my best with my style and when i see someone who has it like male or female i just i see it as a form of intelligence that is just very subtle and tasteful and um

you know i don't think i have amazing style but i'm interested in it and when i see someone that just really kills it on either side i'm like damn that person's got some swagger to them i wonder what else they think about that way i'm i'm a dress like a slob so it's just like doesn't affect me you know i respect it but it doesn't intimidate me but i but i respect it i think it's just like doesn't affect me you know i respect it but it doesn't intimidate me but i respect it i think it's great i mean i think any form of like self-expression like that that like people really care about is is like incredible um and it like i'm bummed that i don't have the like capacity to go the distance uh so you got other stuff going on yeah yeah exactly yeah you put on a sweater today like you look great yeah this is a cardigan

that i was very fond of okay this is the most listened to podcast by women yeah is there anything you want to say to just like the women make amends yeah you may have offended on this episode i was gonna say is there anything you would want to say to like the women of the world listening from the chain i feel like ironically like i mean i grew up in a house full of women You may have offended on this episode. I was going to say, is there anything you would want to say to the women of the world listening? From the Chainsmokers. I feel like, ironically, I grew up in a house full of women, funny enough. And I know your mom is one of your biggest inspirations and best friendships. And I know, in general, I feel like I have more in common with the females in my life

in terms of how we can relate to them. And it's really cool to have this opportunity to be on the show and hopefully we didn't make too big a fool of ourselves. And, you know, I'm honestly a huge fan of yours. It's like really cool to see anyone, but like, especially, you know, you in this case, like create such an amazing brand that like inspires people. And I think that at the end of the day, like if you can go out and inspire like three or four people to say, like, I can just be myself and people will acknowledge me for that and, you know, and celebrate that. That's acknowledge me for that. And, you know, and celebrate that.

That's like pretty much the greatest thing, you know, that we could ask for. Did I spin that? That was good. That was good. I was freestyling out here. You're like,

how is that going to go with the press? Is that going to work? You guys are amazing. Thank you so much. Chain smokers. It was an honor. Thank you for coming on color daddy. Thank you,

Alex. Thanks guys. Sweet.