Call Her Daddy - The Chainsmokers: Cheating, Threesomes & Toxic Exes (FBF)

Episode Date: December 31, 2025

The Chainsmokers join Call Her Daddy to discuss their evolution — and if you love a wild and crazy story-time, this episode is for you. From the start, Alex Pall and Drew Taggart were a match made in heaven - the duo discuss working together for the past 10 years and how prioritizing the success of The Chainsmokers has impacted each of them personally. They don’t hold back when talking about their love lives and share all of their messiest, albeit hilarious, breakup stories. They’ve been spied on with an elaborate pet cam scheme - and caught someone offering herself for availability to get peed on in a Craigslist ad — all for money to score some blow. The guys spill all of the tea on the threesomes they’ve had (“that’s a lot of man”), and reveal if they’ve ever slept with a fan. The pair reflect on failed relationships and gush about their current girlfriends while sharing the personal growth required to get to this point. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Check your mics. How are you feeling? I want to hear every word. I want to hear the breath. Is that close enough for you? Yeah.

I'm a heavy breather. Is this like too close? Are you a mouth breather? Mouth breathing is like a big thing apparently. You know, like, well, actually like, sorry. True words. nose breathing yeah i think that's how you're supposed to breathe yeah yeah you're supposed to breathe that way yeah i didn't notice no i'm not that'd be a horrible thing to have like on the

whole undertone of the podcast you're just hearing this like i'm like okay we need to mute his mic okay let's just start yeah chain smokers welcome to call her daddy thank you or i just got nervous now yeah i said i wasn't but now Alex just shit his pants he's like fuck let me take a drink cheers let's do a little another cheers cheers cheers guys cheers everybody calm down everything's gonna be okay the boys are a little nervous guys daddy gang be nice them in the comments I wasn't at all the same with Alex just right until we started it now you're now you're like professional Alex and I'm like hello yeah I feel like it's like you guys I've seen this many times you know and but like I'm much more

scared giving like a best man speech than I am performing in front of like 30,000 totally I think that makes sense though isn't there a thing Dave Chappelle does where he only performs in front of like four people in a room before he does it I think I've heard that and it's 10 times harder yeah to perform in front of like three people people than a crowd have you done a best man speech recently not that recently but I killed it I murdered it my speech because you always got a way you start a best man speech and someone tip me off is is you just insult the guy who spoke before you right off the bat so you like give it you're like give it up for John he did his best and then everyone immediately he's like ha ha you know and then you're

like and then you can launch into whatever so I tried that my sister got married like the summer before last and I tried that trick because Alex had just killed this best man speech and was telling me how good he did and then I you like oh you tried your best but I said it to like my like female cousin and like really heard her feelings. She's like sobbing in the corner like, fuck you, Drew. She's like, do we have beef on something? I was like, I don't know. I just heard it was a good thing to say.

And you just fucked it all. You had a great speech. I'm sorry. Yeah, it was really heartfelt. So we were supposed to meet in Miami. Yeah. Well, I feel like we were supposed to meet like so long ago. It's weird that we have never met.

I'm kind of glad that didn't happen. Why? Like it's just such a shit show. You know what I mean? Like every morning was like a way. late and okay wait i want to ask you guys because i was going to say what did i miss in miami because to give people context we were supposed to do this interview in miami yeah i got sick maybe i was faking maybe i was no i'm just kidding i was sick yeah and i

couldn't make it either way what did i miss what did you guys what did you definitely thought about it if you were it's such a shit show i used to be like a receptionist in an art gallery and we and and i would go to baza it was like 15 years ago and you would go to baza and it was like one party the liberal and then it was actually just like collectors and people that worked in the art world and it was like really fun but like really manageable and now like I've never seen I don't know where the art people are I don't see them at all and it's just like craziness and there's so much shit and everyone's has FOMO and you know like you'll be I remember being at I think it was like you know like Miles and Cago and those guys hit they had a party and it was like awesome it was like black coffee was DJing it was an open bar it was a bunch of friends and then everyone's like we got to go to this Bob's party and I was like but why I was like we this is great here everything's great and you're like no no it's better over there for sure and I was like I feel like the people over there are saying that this is the same thing yeah everyone's like chasing the night it's like fashion week it's like we have to go to 10 events and it's like right like this party's kind of dope

like yeah yeah yeah we just stay here and it's just like you're constantly missing and feeling like you know and reality it's like none of it's true so how did you guys meet you guys have been together for 10 years this is a thriving relationship drew how did you guys meet we met uh i was finishing school in 2012 2011 and Alex had actually started chain smokers with another kid So I'm not the original chain smoker. Oh, my God. Where's he? He's a dog walker.

Well, that was last time. Fuck, this is. Hopefully he doesn't watch the show. Shout out. Okay, so there was an OG. Yeah. And then you came in and swapped. Well, from my understanding, the other kid didn't want to,

wanted to go and do his own, like, solo career. And Alex was like, what the fuck? Like, we built this whole thing up. And it wasn't much, by the way. It was like DJing and like SL. You know what I mean? But it was something. Yeah.

Yeah. And I, like, knew how to make music, like, pretty shit. music but I like was really into it and uh and then we met and he the other kid left and he was like I want to find someone who like makes music and we got introduced by our manager our current manager who still with us to this day and yeah rest is history did you guys like immediately hit it off vibe wise personality why didn't you have a funny like you didn't know which one oh my god so I go so I go to New York City I take like the the funhua bus you know about this yeah yeah it's like $13 bus that goes from like Boston to Chinatown so I take that thing down there and I like

like go and meet them at this club, but I didn't know. I knew there were two guys in chain smokers, and they were both there, and I didn't know which was which. And I remember just going to the club and meeting both of y'all. I was just like, oh, God, I hope it's Alex. Like, the other kid was okay, but I really hope it's Alex. And thank God he texted me. And I didn't even know because he texted me the next day and was like, come over to my apartment.

And not until you opened the door to your apartment. Did I have confirmation? It was you. It's like a blind date. And it was like, what do you listen to? And it was like, I like, Calvin Harris. It was like, me too. You know, what kind of beer do you drink?

And it was like, but like in reality, what was really crazy is and we did have this like conversation the first time we met was, you know, we were like, what do you want to accomplish and how do you want to get there? And we were like, both of us were like, we want to be the biggest, you know, artists on the planet. And we'll take, do whatever it takes to get there from like a work perspective. And and then I want to branch out from there and create and use that platform to like get into other things that interests us. And you know, it's like kind of crazy now to reflect back on that. Because like, we had no fucking idea back then. It was like literally like, cool, let's let's do this then. And then he moved from Maine and I like quit my receptionist job and they were like are you crazy that's like a recession right now like you want to you know like go be a musician full time and they were like listen we'll have you back you know when this fails and now it's like nuts like I buy art from them and it's like you know what I do that's so crazy because it's kind of like a love story honestly we're like you've been together for 10 years you guys met on a blind date like and then you ended up being in front of him and you were like I really hope it's him and not the other one And then you guys got matched up.

Quite romantic. It is like perfect situation. Like it all worked out. So, okay, to people that are watching, I want them to like get to know you guys better individually through each other's eyes. Should I leave the room? No, no, because you guys are, you guys are a couple. But I want to hear, let's start with Alex. How would you describe Drew to someone that doesn't know him?

So he likes to go like deeper with things. And I'm like, I don't want to say I'm surface level. but I like to cover a lot more ground. He is like the least communicative person on the planet. In fact, like, I think I, like, text Madison Beer about a song yesterday, and I was like, hey, it's Alex. I got your number from Drew because he sucks at texting. So like, I'm going to, you know, and it's not that like he doesn't care.

He just does, I don't know what, actually don't know what goes on in my head? Yeah, like you see it and you're just like, move on. Like are you quiet? What do you mean you're not communicative? Well, I read things, but Alex is also hyper communicative. So a lot of these conversations that like, I'm on an email. or I'm on a text thread. He's already said what I would have said.

True. True. Do you guys find yourself on the same page a lot? Yeah, most of time. Yeah, we're completely aligned like in like goals and all that stuff. We've had our disputes, but it's always like, you know,

reconciled in a really like reasonable way. You did walk into my house and say that you guys have gotten into multiple fist fights and punch each other. Yeah, not in a couple years though. Yeah, it's been a couple of years. Which might be we mean we're due for one. Yeah.

But it's been good. So you guys are just fighting over like regular ship, but you guys have an ability. It's like sibling. you know where you're just together all the time like over front scene in like mexico like yeah i don't remember even being mad at you i think that was just yeah we're like hey we've never fought all right i was like in uh what's that myorka at a club that was bad you know it wasn't just that he'd been pissing me off for a while you know and i'm sure i've been

pissing him off for a while you know and then it just gets that one moment yeah it was just does the one thing and i was i lost i initiate i think every fight wow who are you hot-headed not anymore but i definitely was You've worked on it. No, yeah, I've worked on therapy and stuff. Oh, you've gone to therapy? Yeah. Have you guys ever gone to therapy together?

No, we've considered doing like executive coaching, but not, not therapy. Maybe couples therapy is the move. Well, now I feel like really, like, like, issue. Yeah. You think that. But as a woman that's standing here that used to have, being a duo. Did you go to couple therapy when you? No, but we should have.

You can always get ahead of it. Okay, Drew, now you. describe Alex's personality? He's hilarious. Like sometimes I'll just be like making a drink and we'll be, you know, just talking to somebody and I'll just over hear him just say the most outlandish thing to people. I don't know where it comes from. He also was like the no filter and also the most insane memory. Like he will like remember what like we meet so many people every weekend. We're doing like we've been doing 150 shows a year for the past seven years probably. Sometimes more even. and a lot of those are in Vegas where we're like hosting people for our tequila or our venture fund

or people that we've just accumulated along the years and someone will walk in and he'll just like he'll remember like I recognize this guy's face I can't place it he'll remember that their kids are in tennis lessons it's insane weird so he's a good person to have next to you because I'm you where I'm like I fucking know that face but I couldn't even tell you the name if you put a gun to my head and you're like oh it's this person they have this many kids they this is the address but then I'm the one that's like all right I'm kind of like done this tonight and I'm like done this tonight and And Drew would be like, I just, like, stayed up to 6 a.m. But that guy now we're like, yeah, like, like, kids, like brothers.

And so it's like, I go, I go deep with, like, one person or three people, like, whatever, yeah. This is helpful. I'm definitely, like, way more, like, I don't know what the word is. I guess just depends. You're a surface level bitch. Yeah. And Drew is just in his field. He's like, I don't know if anyone texts any more, like, more people than you per day.

What? He's, like, talking to, like, you know, the head of some, like, massive, like, hedge fund. And he's talking to, like, like, the bartender from the dueling piano bar and St. Louis that we played on a Wednesday night in 2013. It's crazy for sure. Okay. And you're not answering your text at all.

Exactly. Okay. Good to know. Good to know. Okay. I'm fully taking advantage of his powers. That's really great. What are your fans like?

Passive and chill. We have like the most like relaxed nice fans ever. Like we could just sit at like anywhere and like I think we have like a really nice level of like celebrity or fame when I'll call it because like maybe some people recognize this. Usually it's like they have to pull their phone out to like confirm. the siding and by the time they do that we're gone you know and move on or they'll just come up and be like hey big fan and then it's like dip out you know what I mean like we don't have like any like rabid you know crazy story I've told this fake story for like years about because we didn't

have a fake crazy fake fan story and that was like what people always asked us so I just came up with one tell me and I lied about it for like seven years and I could be so good at telling it I haven't told it in a while but basically it was the story about we play the show in Italy and there was this fan in the front row that was like dead, you know, stone cold staring at both of us and was like really awkward and then in the middle of the show she pulls out like a buzzer and just starts shaving her head

but like not changing her reaction and then she starts eating her hair and then we're like freaking out and we're like losing our focus and then she just kind of just like disappears into the crowd and that's the story. And no one was like, huh? He told us in every interview

it made it all the way to Larry King. Larry King. He told Larry King this story. And what the fuck? did you guys coordinate this or did one day he just spring this in an interview and you were like you just made it up one day and we just kept going and you didn't say anything no it was just easier than like you know like i just didn't have one and i just wanted to right just go along i wanted an awesome story yeah do you have one now is like a crazy fan interaction you can now tell or no

fans are so pleasant and passive it's like i don't know i will you know that's fine if you're any fans out there want to do something crazy yeah like get after it yeah go go for it i think you're very fortunate though to be to have to have crazy fans like girls go to yeah like I have some crazy interactions I've had like are girls crazier or guys crazier for you it's a different vibe the guys are always bar stool fans so they're like cooper and I'm like oh my god and they'll like bear hug me and I'm like hello sir and it's like it's very like have you ever hooked up with a fan no because most of my fans are women but I have had multiple guys are like no I'm like oh like you're like oh like You go hook up with Dave.

I've had multiple times where, like, a fan will chase me down and, like, give me a vibrator or, like, just something very, and, like, I still use it to this day, and I think of her. Like, it's very cute. Like, but my, I would say my fans are kind of similar. They're very chill, very passionate, but they're open books to me. And, like, we have, like, very cute interactions. A podcast is very different because you're speaking about yourself so much and getting deeper into yourself by talking about with other people.

You see reflection and all that stuff. Like, us, we just, they just hear our music. and we're just too generic white guys. So they know the music, but it doesn't go beyond that, you know. But that's why it's fun to sit down with you guys. You would probably be great on a podcast. You want to get deep. I'm definitely going to launch a podcast by the way.

I'm waiting for us. I just need more times, but it's going to happen. I could see you guys doing a pod. It's going to be dark and dangerous. Oh, my God. Maybe that's not going to be there. You don't want to be on it? I don't have the, it's going to be controversial.

I'm not consistent enough to do it. Okay, right. You don't have the work out. His is going to be like, yeah. It's going to be good. It's going to be good. Um, no, Alex, take me through your guys, like pre-show rituals. And, like, how has it? Not much. You know what I mean? It's not like, I feel like the thing about for us of these shows is like, you don't want to, like, you don't want to, like,

build up too much like tension and pressure it's almost like do the least and just like oh it's just like a normal day that happens to have like a huge performance at the end of it so like the more that like when we have big shows and like our whole team's there and there are lots of friends it's like almost like builds up more anxiety because everyone's like asking you like are you nervous like are you excited how you feeling like you just feel more tension around you so for us it's like you know a warm up like drinking some tequila backstage like maybe work out earlier in the day or something like that. We have like a simple pre-ritual handshake and it's like gay time.

But I feel like less- Can you do it right now? Yeah, it's just that. It's just like super simple. Yeah, you can learn. Really simple. Yeah, more of like it's just superstitious thing that you have to do it. When you guys are getting nervous for a show, do you guys really lean on each other?

Or do you guys go kind of like individual mode? Like I just like sit there individually and deal with your stress. I feel like it's kind of like, I don't know. I feel like we don't share necessarily like how nervous you are because that probably just makes other everyone more nervous uh but i think you know like in a case of like Vegas i mean this is a weird example but like if i'm exhausted then you can see it like he'll step up and go harder and like vice versa or you know what i mean in that in that sense so you can kind of tell when someone needs like yeah yeah like needs like okay like he's just clearly like you know

sick right now or like we do play sick all the time i think we've only canceled one show ever and you know and you're just like all right i'm going to pick up the slack and like give it a little bit extra today so like because he clearly just you know is struggling this is a real team unit here i'm really liking the vibe it's very it really is because like it's like you know the same way i feel like when girls can like look and look each other and like communicate like everything and then guys are just sitting there clueless about what just happened right you guys are the ones insane yeah and they're like we should probably go and you're like what what do you just say to her you know what you're like that's such a specific and so fucking relatable of just being like yeah

we're actually going to go and you guys are like excuse me that was a good so in 2019 you guys after a tour went off of like the grid and you kind of went on a hiatus what the fuck happened how did you come to this decision tell me about it uh well we just felt really burnt out after 2019 i mean i told you we've been doing like 150 shows a year we had just like released our third album in the fall of 2019 and then we did a 42 city arena tour with five sauce and we just got home we're like never again like that was just too much after like a whole summer of like back and forth from Vegas to Europe Vegas to Europe every week there's two people that are making the decisions how do you guys balance what's good for you

individually and then what's good for the chain smokers I mean we've been pretty on the same page in our personal lives like we made a lot of sacrifices and this is a big thing that we've been talking with our team about now that we're in our 30s like well into our 30s and it's harder you know and there's a lot of we haven't gone to a lot of weddings we haven't been here on weekends ever you know we haven't we've like every you know we sacrifice our weeks just you know like last week two days we're just erased being on a plane you know and so I think we've been really aligned on that thus far you know we've just been trying to get it and be successful and and do our thing and not leave anything on the table and I'm really thankful that we took that

approach but I mean going forward we definitely will have to be more communicative about like hey I don't want to be in LA this much or I don't want to go to Vegas this much or I don't want to do and who knows what that's going to be but like our lives are changing so that's like a new hurdle that's probably coming for us yeah it's tough because I think you got to balance like you can't forget like how lucky we are to be in this position to begin with and it's like I see so many people like taking advantage of that opportunity and letting it just slip between their fingers because they think it's just like it's hard work like there are people hundreds thousands of people tens of thousand people out there that are trying to do what we do and they're working three times

as hard as we are potentially so I think like we've always had that like grit and determination like we might not always be the best at the certain things we do but like I know we apply ourselves and work harder than most people add the things we care about so I think it's ingrained in like the fabric of our personalities which is like we're super competitive like we want to be the best want to get the best out of ourselves and we also like I feel like if I just ran into you somewhere in the street and you were like hey you know oh my god like do you feel accomplished everything I would be to say like absolutely not like we have like very heavy imposter syndrome so for us it's like we feel like we're just kind of also getting started and have so much more to do and say from what

this you know chapter is but you also you know like you do want to start thinking about the other things in life that like you possibly can get joy out of because it's like these are probably all like really unhealthy character traits that like lead to you know a life looking back at like 70 being like oh my god like what the fuck do you yeah i took like free vacations yeah like chase the carrot all the way here yeah exactly but also there's like a balance where like you can really potentially accomplish really amazing things i get what you're saying but it's interesting to hear you because like i feel like there's so many people that have success and you're so scared to be like wanting the normal things that come with life that you're like i haven't been

do a wedding in a while like I wasn't in LA for like a weekend just like chill and you can in your mind you're like I am I being ungrateful like am I coming off like I don't appreciate what I have but I do think like I understand what you're saying of like there needs to be sometimes a better balance but that also is fucking weird because again I've been in a duo where it's like inevitably you both have different wants for like your personal life right like maybe you have a different plan of like do you both want kids do you not want kids do you want to get married and so like do you kind of have to stay somewhat on the same page like how do you guys navigate that it just worked out kind of in some weird way I mean we are very communicative about those

things and I think like we want the happiness of the other person so it's like you know we've gotten this far I don't think we were like we wanted you know we've always been a line on the goals we wanted to get and how to achieve them like but at the same time it's like you know as you get older you're kind of like hey I recognize like all of our friends like all my friends married with kids like I'm probably the last person other than like our agent but do you guys feel like because it's interesting like to have your job which is partying and performing and like making people have such a good time do you feel like people or maybe like media has kind of pigeon hold you into being the same people you were 10 years ago I mean we have a great relationship

with the media and press like absolutely not you said that's so serious at first I was like really Alex? Oh my god. No, talk about that. Just glowing reviews. How did it evolve of like who the chain smoker started ads from your opinion and who you guys are now? Yeah, I mean, we were just ultimately huge. That opinion about like the being pigeonholed I think is was DJ as, or EDM as a whole. You know, we came up in this like super party centric, uh, very drug centric, like scene, you know, that's like kind of pop probably, I'd say like 2016. But that was like a whole, that was a wave that we rode to like relevancy, I guess. We're young, you know what I mean?

It's like you make mistakes. And I think, you know, but start, you know, regret. Like we've grown up a ton and like there's a lot of things we regret doing. But I think that's just like a natural progression for anyone. I think there are a lot of mistakes we avoided too by like I think we kind of were lucky. We both went to college and graduated and like didn't have like success at 18 and become super rich and that stuff. Like we understand the value of adults. and like working in shitty jobs and doing you know putting in the time i can relate to that like

i feel like i had obviously like a very specific persona when i started this it was like the sex girl yeah that's the blonde that works at barstool and it was like i definitely played into what i was given and the platform that i was kind of like going with but then it can get exhausting and be like hey guys like i don't party like every night and like i don't like have sex every single day like 24-7 like so I think I can relate to you guys on being like I appreciate how we came up but like we've evolved like we definitely have certain things that are different about us that it's not just party drugs perform fuck girls and go to sleep not to get too deep but like on more of a personal level how have each of you like individually I'll start with you drew like

evolved as a human being since the beginning of the success and everything took off to where you are now. I've calmed down a lot. I used to be hyper insecure and I'm still up insecurities but like so much so that like it drove me and I'm almost thankful for it and I always like had this like thing inside me that wanted to be successful and just kind of you know do everything but be friends with everybody and you know I had this like idea and I was always chasing that and I was always worried that I was never going to do it and I feel like that like probably like negatively impacted some like relationships I had early like through college I just didn't you know you know I was so focused on what I was doing and I wasn't able to be like generous or I didn't have the you know the mindset to

like be the be the person that I am now that I really appreciate and I'd say that's probably the biggest thing is you know I've really enjoyed just being calm and appreciative and being able to like you know help people with opportunities that you really is insanely generous to everybody in hosting people it's actually crazy how yeah house is like a hostile yeah you live in a hostel or you host a hostel because are you kind of saying like in romantic relationships or I guess even friendships like you couldn't be as present and giving because you were trying to be selfish because you were trying to make

something for yourself yeah that makes sense yeah what about you Alex I don't know I'm trying to think of a good like reasonable answer to this while he was talking yeah it was pretty good I mean I guess if I could like reflect further about I mean, my dad passed when I was like 12 and a half or something like that. And I think that was like very defining moments. I remember a lot of people coming to me and being like there's two paths. You know, you can kind of go that like fucked up route where you lose a parent and everything kind of spirals out of control from there or you kind of use this as like a moment to catalyze

like how you want to live your life. And I was always like an average student and had like terrible ADHD. And I don't remember like at some point in like late in high school, I don't know if I just started making lists like really something simple of that. I was like writing the things down that I want to accomplish and do these days. And it just like something changed. And I do feel like, you know, in a lot of ways, like in college, you know, when I graduated, I was like, was a receptionist art gallery.

It's not a very, like, awesome position to have. And I was not a good one at that. And then also like a DJ. And I think about like my mom and my friends that were all becoming like doctors and Wall Street finance people and lawyers. And it was kind of like crippling anxiety of being like, I can barely take care of myself. Like, who would ever want to be with me? Like, how could I ever have a family? Like, I literally am, like, stealing quarters from my roommate to get, like, Boston Market.

And, I mean, like, yeah, and he had a lot of quarters, so I didn't feel bad. And, and, and just, like, you know, and it was, like, crazy. So, like, when to see, like, us kind of materialize this thing, it was like, holy shit. Like, I actually, for the first time ever, like, can take, like, a deep breath on some way and be like, things might actually be okay for me and work out. And I'm just super proud of like the things we've accomplished over the years. And it just really motivates me to want to like just push it further and further. Well, I appreciate you both sharing that because it is interesting to hear individually.

And it now makes sense to me how you guys work so well together. That's why I was kind of trying to like get and I still want to keep going just individual to then get back to the hole because it's interesting. I feel like both of you had such a good drive internally wanting to make it. I'm interested to know like how. has that affected your like relationships for you romantically because the chain smoker's has to be priority how to how has that affected your guys relationships that's been i realized like looking back as times as 2020 like a lot of the people i dated i had to date someone

that was uh down with what we were doing um which is which was really fun i had a lot of awesome relationships that like were seriously fulfilling and fun. I think only in the past like couple years have I like realized that probably the person that's like down to do, they have to be down to do some stuff, but the person who's down to do everything is probably not the one I'm supposed to be with. I need someone that has their own thing that I have to go be a part of and want to go be a part of. But before that it's been, you know, I realize my selection has been very congruent with like what served our business you know and we work really hard and I think we're both now really actively I mean you for a little bit longer than me like really trying

to break out of our own heads and have perspective and be like wait this week is so intense wait every week's intense and if every week's intense then I need to figure out a better way to deal with it because this what am I chasing you know yeah have either of you ever gone through a breakup that the catalyst was kind of like this isn't working for our life right now as the chain smokers like this relationship isn't working for us essentially i mean i don't think we have influence i feel like that's one of those funny things like you could not like someone's girlfriend but like you know not you don't say that shit you know what i mean like out of the blue like if he's upset about something then it's an opportunity to speak you know what i mean but don't

be like yo i hate your chick and you're just like great well you want to go to dinner like tomorrow night all of us yeah yeah double day and and not that like that's even even been the case but like i think you know like everyone's on their own journey through these things and I don't know like all the intricacies of what like he loves or you know about someone and vice versa I think again like why we'd never live together like certain things are good to be you know kept separate but like more importantly it's just like you can tell what also when the other person is suffering yeah as a result of the relationship and it's like a delicate balance of being like you got to let them get there themselves you can't force someone to see that truth you know what I get that but but like

Also at the same time, it's like, you know, it's tough when that's happening because you do feel it like potentially affecting, you know, the business. But you're like, but again, it's like there are bigger things at play here. So like, again, like the ego doesn't come in the check and you're not like bus in the studio being like, you fucking songwriting sucks like. Right. You know what I mean? Like, why are you so depressed all the time? And, you know, we're not making music. And, uh, songwriting. You're too happy in your relationship. It's a great. It's a great catalyst. Yeah. Yeah. That is like, that's toxic though because I had some. I had some. I'm sure. times where I was like I'll just go on the date because it's going great content and I was like like things aren't going well you're like let's go this song is going to be fucking killer yeah exactly so depressed get broken up with like like do something and then get in the fucking yeah yeah so you said you're in a relationship yeah how long have you been in a relationship about three years maybe a little longer three and a yeah yeah she's great really good I mean she's amazing and I think to like his point what he said like you kind of acknowledge somehow I feel like a lot of the people you date

or kind of a reaction to the last person in some ways, like looking for things that were missing or didn't fulfill you in some capacity and you kind of like stumble along potentially until you kind of unlock something where you're like, oh, I get what I really need now out of this. You guys have very full lives and like your public and, you know, I feel like you need someone

that's not just like up your ass being like, Drew and Alex, like I'll do whatever you want. It's like I'm sure at times that's worked because you need someone that's going to be doing that but in actual relationship, the person needs to be like, hey, it's not all about you. Yeah, and you don't just know. You just don't fucking know. Like, you know what I really sympathize like with single people and people in bad relationships and, you know, like it's not easy. What about you, Drew, single relationship? I'm in a relationship.

Okay. It's like fairly new a couple months. It's exciting. How'd you guys meet? We got set up on a date a year ago. Fun. And it was the worst date either of us had ever been on. Not fun. Yeah. It was just like zero vibes. just misconnection and didn't see each other for I think like six months after that and then last summer just kept running into each other and then the bad day became like a fun conversation point and we like hit it off on like the fourth of July and then started hanging out thenish and August and then started dating I guess like September probably look at the two of you just

like your healthy dynamics have either of you ever not liked the other person's partner. For sure. Yeah. Yes. How did you handle it? I think Alex kind of touched on it earlier where you can't say, yo, this is like not right for you. Out of context.

It has to be something has to happen and, you know, one of us comes to the other and says. But you know, I mean, like, you know. And you're always like hoping to be like, he'll understand. And we've all seen it now. We're like so intimate with our entire crew. We've seen like every like from our tour manager to our drummers. who are like our agent we've seen them all date the wrong person

and like we've all taken our like little trip down that road and it's funny because when it's happening to somebody else you're like that's never going to happen to me and then it shows up in a different format and boom it happens to you yeah and while you're in that format it's like you know you're like yo fucking they hate her

and you know but you're like they just don't know her yet like I know her and then you're like no they do really know her and I'm just wrong about this like that's the worst when you're in a relationship where when you find yourself saying that if anyone is watching this and you're like they just don't get it that's probably the first red flag to be like no they get it you don't fucking get it and that's the thing it's like you look about a lot of relationships and you know you can blame the other you just it wasn't a match it wasn't the right time it wasn't it's not them it's not you I've great breakup stories I mean there's all sorts of awesome things you want to share anonymously I mean should I give the ultimate one give something you guys are saying I'm not going to name name give the the uh The Pat Cam. Yeah, the pat game's good. Yeah.

Is that the ultimate one? Yeah, that's the guy. Okay, give it to me. Okay, so I was seeing somebody and, you know, over the course of the relationship, it was just like all these fights kept happening that I didn't really like understand why, Like, I would just get, like, a text when we were, like, on tour and be like, you're a fucking asshole. And I'd be like, I don't know what I could have possibly have just done.

And it would be like, you know what you did. And I'd be like, no, I'm asked, like, that's why I'm asking you. What did I do? And it was just like, and then she would, like, disappear for two days. And it was just like the most unhealthy, you know, and you're just like, I don't know what's happening. Like, I feel like I'm losing my mind. And one day, I've lived, you know, my friend of mine, Craig, he's like an ex firefighter.

He's kind of, he's like Uncle Craig. and uh and uncle Craig yeah he's a very uncle Craig and you know I forgot how we got to fight about something and I was like and it was a sort of thing where I was like like like you know when we were you know it's like looking through Instagram and being like

oh damn that girl's like super hot man I wish I wish on a star and you know and then like the girlfriend would be like what the fuck did you say it's not what we say I wish on a star wish on a star it's not what we say yeah it's a really peacey way you know I wish on a star I could

I could hang out with that beautiful nice smart woman but like you know it's a guy talk where you'd be like damn that girl's you know that's amazing or whatever and then like I got lit up about this and I like told my I went to Craig and I was like Craig did you fucking tell her that we were saying it like you know how like we're just like talking about this how this girl is and he was like are you kidding me why would I do that and I was like else would she have known like this is just weird and he was and it was like in passing and he was just like house is bug dude and I was like nah and so anyways these fights kept happening and and then on my birthday the girl was like I am going to I'm going to can because I

don't work in the film industry but it's really important that I go and which I totally related and understood and she needed to go and so she left and and like you know and she was pissed at me like disappeared didn't say bye and it was like you know I think she was going for like a few weeks and I was like damn what a shitty way to leave on that note but I was like all right you know fuck it And I was like, you were really annoying on that birthday. You got really drunk. I did get really drunk. I tried to fight the Elefonte door guy.

Yeah. I thought the Elefonte door guy. Yeah. Yeah. I had to give him 100 bucks. Yeah. But you were just pissed. You were in a bad place.

No, I was just hammered. I mean, instead of having anything to do with her. I was just a drunk guy. And her leaving had nothing to do with you being drunk too. Yeah. Just to clarify. And so my mom hated her. My sister hated her.

Everyone didn't like her at this point. You hated her, he definitely hate her. And at this point, I was like, I think I probably should call this. soon like I was beginning to get those vibes but but I was also like I'm such an optimist you know like it's hard for me to kind of like pull that rug out so anyway she bounces and then I'm like sitting at like my table in my kitchen and I just kind of see this thing out of the corner of my eye that wasn't there like a day ago and basically like two Xs ago had bought me this this dog pet treat

camera where you can like shoot treats out of it and it's like motion sensor recording camera and so the dog walks up to it and the camera turns on an alert to your phone Yeah. And you shoot a treat out. And so I'd gotten this gift and I'd never set it up because it was just kind of just complicated and we're just busy all the time and whatever. And I, you know, but I, you know, but I was like, oh, that's kind of, you know, odd that it's out. But like, it's not, it's not for a dog. My dog's not getting any treats. So that surely this thing's not hooked up. And it's plugged into like the outlet. And I was like, huh, I guess my housekeeper saw this like hanging wire and was like, let me plug it in. So I unplug it and like plug it. You know, I'm a jewel smoker. So I was like, it's the only outlet for my outlet for my. And I was like, huh. I guess my housekeeper. I was like, I was like, it's the only outlet for my. my jewel so I would plug it and this one on for like in my head looking back months I was like I kept them plugging this thing and then one day I was like sick of like unplugging it and plugging it back in that I was like I'm putting this thing and putting it in a drawer and this is annoying why is this out right and this is like when she left for ken but miraculously the thing is like back on the table now and then it was like the matrix it was like oh my god I've been getting spied on for like seven months by this fucking pet camera and I get up close to it and she had like blacked out the recording light like really with a marker with a marker and then covered it with an additional piece of electrical tape perfectly cut out that you would never have noticed it this bitch is genius and i was like Greg i was like we got her you know what i and we

went on the security cameras and there's video of like she like walks downstairs into the kitchen notices the cameras like unplugged oh goes over opens a cabinet so the so she's already scouted the actual house security cameras she like looks up opens the door, does something, like behind the door for like a weirdly long time, and then closes it and leaves and then the thing's plugged in. Yeah. And so it's crazy. And so it was wild.

And so I was like, how do we like broach this? Like I was like, it's red-handed. You know what I mean? There's no doubt in my mind now. It's like sometimes, you know, like you'd be like, oh, so-and-so-soly with the club. Like, you know, we this girl and you're like, I don't know who to believe. Like this was like, I've got your ass, like, 100%. And so I was like, we can do a couple of things right now.

We can, like, play along with this. and like maybe I get like a fake ring and then like tell Craig I'm gonna like propose and like do this and get her to admit it yeah and get her to like see it on the camera and then but never like bring it up you know and just leave her in this like

suspenseful while she's watching from Ken you know what I love it I love it but then I was like fuck I kind of just be single and have fun yeah we were like please just get to that face yeah so I got you and she was like so angry she's like what and I was like you tell me I got found a camera in my house and you've been spying me on

And she was like, you're fucking crazy and this. I was like, it's not, we don't have to fight. It's so genius the fact that, like, she got an alert every time, like, at 3 a.m. That him and Craig are sitting at the front table having guys talk. Yeah. So she watched all of his, like, late-night conversations. They'd be like, what did you say about, like, you know, so-and-so? And you'd be like, I don't understand.

Like, I've never even talked to this girl before. You know, it's like an Instagram person that, like, you know, like our heat breaks up. That is so epic and truly so genius and so fucked up. You got to give her credit. I give her credit only if I was like in a position where like she thought you were being super shady and she wanted to catch you. But I never I never I was like totally I never did a totally good boy. You were a saint. No, actually like I really was like I really was in this one.

Yeah. And you know what I think it's like that's almost like if you get someone's iPad or you get a way to like look at their shit. Yeah. You have to stop eventually. We wrote a song about that. Yeah. You did. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. about that. You should make one about the iPad. It's about what? You know why you go through the iPad, right? I've been through the iPad before.

Because if you go through the phone, they delete text, but it comes up on the I message on the iPad. Oh, I've been in the situation where I literally handed him the iPad. I said, open it right now. Yeah, yeah. He just smashes it. I'm like, your phone looks so beautiful. It's like, your mom and your aunt and me and your grandma, open the fucking iPad,

you piece of shit, and all of the sex stuff. I was like, wow. I was just like, yo, if you put on the floor and giving my dog treats, I never would have asked a question about that. ask a question ever that was her one mistake that's a great fucking story yeah what were your guys lives like what were your guys like dating the chain smokers i know you went to syracuse yeah i went to syracuse how what were you like in college like college you know it was just college i mean like yeah you like date a couple girls right shout out to mickey yeah i was that was a frat bro oh you were a frat guy so you had a nice time

yeah and you went to n yu alex yeah i was a new york city boy i was like a terrible club i was like a quantity club promoter not a quality like but like i love you know that loves our career you actually were a club promoter oh for sure this is so great but it was like it taught me honestly like i know this is like i shout out to all my club promoters out there you know making ends me but uh but i like it taught me a lot about like staying in touch of people and like you know like how do you differentiate yourself like a stupid night out that's the same night every night from a different club to next and how do you like you like you know like make your thing a

little bit more special than the other guy or whatever that's the other club and and like for me like you know i think this part of my life girls were always sort of a challenge you know like again i was like stealing quarters it wasn't exactly like desirable beyond like whatever crappy table i was like getting two free bottles at or something. And I think, but I did like, I think had forced me to like have a bit more of a personality. You know what I mean? The self-awareness.

Also, I will attest like Alex's club personality is on. It's remarkable. There's no one better in a club. Like he can have a full conversation and I, he doesn't even hear the other person, but his reaction is so genuine. That's great. That keeps them talking and keeps them engaged and then he'll just pick off, I guess, where you like left off.

And like, I love that guy. And he's like, I don't know who that is. And I didn't understand a word they said. I really respect that because the club promoter, you can be the creepy club promoter, which I don't think you were. No, I wasn't the creepy club promoter. If you were, we would never know.

I couldn't, no one would have come back. No, I'm going to come back. Right. I do respect that. Okay, I want to hear from both of you, Drew. Obviously, I know you're both in relationships, but like what is Alex's type? I'm curious what the line you're going to draw between all these.

Yeah, yeah. I'm like, like physically. Oh, just all around. Kind of like. I mean, I would say like up until his current girlfriend who I adore, he has, he's attracted to like some kind of severe issue. Yeah. For real, like, think about every single one.

Up until the current one. Just want to clarify. We love moo. Moos's great. Close with the family. Like very empathetic. takes all of our side you know like she's amazing there was always something like fucked up with every single other one yeah yeah it's probably fair and like that but that

that's like what got you you know what I mean like I made it like entertaining for you yeah I mean you're also like again I don't know you might be right I really I really appreciate the honesty and I like how you received that there was no defensiveness you were just open yeah and you accepted and none of them were the right ones that's for sure right there you go And they're all great, too, in their own respect. They weren't great for me. Totally. But they all got one thing.

Severely, seriously, something is wrong with that. Watch yourself in New York now. I know. I'm on the street. Jesus Christ. Okay, Alex, what is Drew's type? I mean, it's a kind of a similar thing in the way that, like, I think both our current girlfriends are, like, very radically different from, like, the previous. Like, it's, like, something changed or clicked, you know, in which I also think it's true.

Like, I'm not coinciding, like, our last album release and tinging our last. But, like, in some ways, like, something did happen, like, in the last year and a half or two years with us that I think, like, whether it's our insecurity or just the confidence that we have and, like, ourselves or, you know, just, like, like, knowing who we want to be as we get older. Because I think maybe, like, he liked girls that were, like, part of, like, the scene a little bit and maybe had that, like, like, if you, people were excited. You know what I mean? Like, it was like, oh, you can't believe, like, you're dating that person, sort of. So, like, they were saying they were excited about the lifestyle. Yeah. That Drew presented.

I don't know if that's like totally fair, like a common thread between all of them because like some of them like didn't enjoy going out. Some like fucking love going out. Like some like loved, you know, their power of their social media and other ones like cared less about it, you know. But I think it was like a like a like a being out there, you know, outside. They loved the life. Did you feel that in the moment? Um, I mean like most of the girls I dated were like, very and like i saw a great relationships with all of them um first of all um

i don't know if that's a good or bad thing i mean literally they're friends with all their exes like my bright bridges are so burned like i'm so it's like pangea you know in versus now the now the world does you know it oh my god you can't see them on the street that shit will no i thought i was going to get stabbed last time i saw one of my exes and i like had to leave out of like pure fear of my own life uh and then drew's like i'm friends with all of that they're everywhere so close like they're all we're not we're not close but like you know it's chill you know it's chill okay there like what's there to be mad but i was just like this is kind of done now yeah yeah how i i felt are you guys a type of people that would go back to x's ever

my shit is burned bringing in on the back it's done it is they like they like go down and like like yours feel like they really end yeah dramatic there's no like like hook i think like maybe one time like an ex when she was like blacked out like showed up in my door and was like I'm down to have stuff like she like one more time right and that was like 18 years ago yeah yeah yeah so like that like that like that like that like it was a long time since that happened but I'm glad because I do see like a lot of couples have that like really annoying six eight months like weird buffer where you're just like what's happening here like you know like why do we why she's still around uh we no one likes her she didn't like you

we know this like you know so I think in some ways like the card cut is like like important for both people to kind of move on. Is Drew good at the hard cut? I would say on more than no side. No. Yeah. I'm not good on the hard cut. Yeah.

But you're getting better. I mean, I'm dating someone now. Like, it's not like it's not, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But sometimes you would linger back. Yeah, like you break up and like, oh, we're still friends. Oh my God. Drew is the guy that's just coming right on back.

But I think we both care about, I mean, I wish we didn't, but we really care of what people think. Like, you don't want to. leave like i don't i don't let's make me like happy that like all my exes like blow my brain out if they could like see me you know have either of you ever been cheated on probably actually i know i have for sure yeah how did you find out um yeah let him go for like okay what's the definition cheating emotional or physical okay um then yeah definitely why what were you thinking of yeah well like like physically i know about one time okay

But it was like one, it was like the thing where like the girl, I was in New York and the girl like broke up with me. She was like, I need a break and then like fuck some other dude and I knew that happened. And then I, she got back together with me like two weeks later. And I was like, so just flick through the old phone and boom. There was. There was. Okay. You got to look through the best friend texts.

Yeah. You don't look for the guy. You look for the best friend. Drew knows. That's someone that's definitely been cheated on. Yeah. Is that what you were saying is like what considered cheating because what you were on a break or was it a different thing of like emotional thing? Oh no, there's another like emotional thing.

That's rough. Yeah. How did you find out the iPad? It's always the iPad. What about you? How did you find out you got cheated on Alex? I mean, I think it's happening like maybe like two or three times. But it was all for the best.

That's good. But I think how was the first time? I think the first time I was just like it was just so obvious. You know what I mean? it was just like I just didn't know how like the like like you can feel when it's happened yeah yeah yeah I just couldn't figure it out and and like they just you know there's lied over and over again so you didn't really like have proof until finally I think they just like I don't remember it was just again it was like someone told me and then you were just like show me the map you know what I mean

it was like this is it and then it was like again it was like a relief it was like thank god because like this was like such a waste anyways but the really funny one and by way like just speaking general over everyone out there like I actually don't think looking through people's phones is healthy including like you have to practice with your preach like I think like on some levels like if you feel like something is like really fucking off then like sure go get your proof

but like just because you like been in a bad relationship in the past doesn't like give you creative freedom to go and like design a story about what yeah but but in this case I was like something's fucking up like you know and I could not like you know what I mean

and I was like I asked somebody are you going to tell the Craigsist one story on nice what tell me I don't know which one's worse Craig Flynn this is like way long ago this is like I was at NYU when this happens This is like Blackberry There's not even iPhones

Like I don't think you could even lock a Blackberry Okay we're ready This is a good one And I was just like so over it I was like this you know This girl's being shady With a friend of mine that I introduced to her Like I got another girl

And I was just like I thought it was like maybe like Like a drug thing or whatever I couldn't figure it out And I was just like kind of at the end of it And whatever and I always had a problem too Of girls moving in with me too fast which I think is like a very New York thing to do because like it's hard to like survive in New York

so it's like you kind of just like come on and come on down live in my studio apartment with me and so I remember going and looking in the bathroom I had no idea what I was going to find and I was like same thing went to the best friend text and it was like

you know all about getting blow you know what I mean so I was like oh maybe that's the problem she just like kind of has like a drug problem right now and she's wrapped up on that like that's not so bad but then it was like like unfielded it was like it was like how do we get like we're out of money like how do we get blown it was like i have an idea like why don't you go on craigslist and like pee on somebody and i was like oh my god i was like oh no you know and i was like so i and there were the emails and it was like she was peeing on people yeah there were the email there they are

and this is like not tech this is not like today's technology too it's like blackberry you know and uh and i was just kind of like i remember just like you know i wasn't even mad because it was like kind of such a bizarre thing i feel like that's a good way to go out like it's almost better that it was like peeing on someone like i can't tell a lot of other breakup stories like this is a great story right and it like wasn't a big deal in the like history of my you know like so you like laugh about these things and you're just kind of like i remember just like waking her up And I was just like, you know, know you're peeing on people and for drugs and just got to, we just got to call. We're going to have to call it now.

You can't live with me. Yeah. You can't blame me. She's like, I didn't hook up with them. And I was like, we're getting like, you know, like, we're really getting granular here about like what's happening. She's like, it wasn't in their mouth. It was just on the, you're like, I don't want to know where you were kidding. I was more like, you're super hot.

Like, who's the lucky guy that was like hit up some Craigslist ad to like get a girl to pee on? And then like, you showed up. Like, like a jackpot, you know what I'm like, that's where my head was at. I was like, I don't know what you're charging. But like, that is such an incredible story that I think you're right. You can take pride in that. Yeah, yeah. It's not sad.

It's like a once in a lifetime. She found her like niche on Craigslist and she went with it. I just like, how manipulated she got. Like her friend was like, you should go do this even though like they were both doing the drop. It was like, why don't you go pee? Like you're not in a relationship. And it's like, no, no, no, no. You do it.

Yeah. Wow. Alex, you've got some great story times today. Old man. Do you guys even talk about sex with each other? Yeah, absolutely, all the time. Oh, you do? Yeah.

I don't know. I feel like some guys are... Just I want to clarify, like, the sweater was a bad choice. I'm so warm. Take it off. Yeah. Take it off. Okay.

I'm going to do that. I'm like really red right now. I just want to clarify. After Alex was talking about peeing and the women, taking the whatever. I'm not into that shit, by the way, everybody. Just for the record. It is hot. I don't want to stay with her.

Can we make the AC is on? We're almost done, I promise. I'm not going to keep you guys too much longer. I knew I knew everyone was getting hot. Do you want to take your sweater off? No, I'm cool as a coupomer. Okay. Drew's like, I'm dying.

I feel some heat, but I'm okay. So you guys talk about sex with each other. Yeah. Okay. You guys obviously don't need to say like the name of someone. But when I say this question, if someone comes to mind, like, who is the best sex you've ever had? You don't have to say their name, but like explain why. Fuck, I wish I don't know the answers.

Drew smiled and looked up, so go ahead, Drew. I felt like I was very, first of all, it was someone I wasn't dating. It was like a hookup situation that was super random and like last minute and like happened a couple times. And I think like the spontaneity, the whole thing was amazing. There was zero expectations. And then every now and then, and this is really, really rare because, you know, a lot of times, especially, you know, if you really care about someone before you hook up for the first time, it's sometimes really hard to, like, perform how

you want to perform and, like, receive love the same way. And I think on both sides, and, you know, kind of, we have, like, spontaneous sex with someone that you're just, like, into, you just kind of have, like, there's nothing, there's none of that. But it's also really rare in those situations that you find someone that's, like, you're six sexually connected with. You know, you can have average sex with anybody but like every now and then like you'll have like a hookup that's just great yeah you're both on the same page you're into the same things your bodies fit together the right way like that type vibe that's really good that's a great answer which one of you is more likely in the past to hook up with a fan toss up yeah it really depends on the city yeah I was I was I figured you'd

ask a question like that and like when you say fan do you mean like someone at our show were like a diehard fan because i don't think we've ever hooked up with like a diehard fan like no one wearing merch or anything okay okay that's fair that's fair that's really fair take the merch off their body you're wearing my face still hot um okay so just like someone out your concert that's fair yeah toss up it's a top both of you okay that's fair how often do people propose threesomes with the two of you and how often have you accepted get out of my head This is up to you to answer. I don't want to answer this question.

It's call her daddy. How often is it proposed? Not proposed. Seldom. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a lot of man for. It's a lot of man.

But it's happened. Does it count if it's internationally? I'm so proud of you guys. Did you look? at each other differently that morning the first time all the times i think we were just like what the fuck just happened because like it wasn't like a that we were never planned you know what i mean it was always like just like i don't know what is happening right now but like i'm also just like i don't know where's that it's weird i'm not gonna lie i don't know like how i think that's how

three symptoms happened though in any way absolutely it's usually never planned this just starts oh it's oh that okay i guess we're doing that it's been a long time you know what in but in the early be clear it was also like the days when we like we used to have to like share hotel rooms like you know what I mean like we would be in Europe they have the two beds they don't even split them apart you know what I mean like they literally have two singles so it's like almost by force we were forced you know this is that sounds crazy you were forced to have a threes them to get by the European government because they don't separate their beds right you got to make the most of the bad situation they just

separated the beds like America does right right right so you just made it work yeah do you guys remember your first one like did you look at each other differently I was like man this guy's uh this guy's hot I'm glad he's my partner yeah yeah I think I'm actually blushing now it's not the heat yeah I'm actually blushing I'm just so concerned about how what Alex just said is going to be taken no I think it's great I think the government We were forced. No, no. Not by the women, by the government.

But the government. The government forces you all kind of thing. There's just a lot. I mean, we had a lot of mileage on these tires. You know what I mean? It's good. It's good. Yeah.

Have you guys ever been into the same person? And how do you deal with that? We can't even move on. I'm just like, Drew is like, okay, I need to go. Yeah. It's okay. Drew, it's going to be okay. I don't think we ever have hooked up with the same person.

But I'm not positive. You just said you would have. a fucking threesome. True. Oh, that's a good point. But, like, I thought you meant, like, separately.

Have you? Okay, yeah, that's fair. Okay, fair, fair, fair. What's the one thing for you both that you're like, I really like this from someone in bed? For all the ladies listening. Give us a little tip. I mean, confidence.

You know, like someone who, like, knows what they like that can just take control. And, like, there's a lot of, um, you have people that just don't do that. Like, I mean, as you know, it goes both. ways you know it like doesn't even have to be a right just like confidence like this is what i'm trying to do right now you know and like i think especially like from the beginning when you hook up with someone and they're like i'm trying to like fuck you instead of like whatever you want to do is so much hotter i mean do what can i just say the same same yeah i mean that is

true though you know but i think it cuts both ways also like you can be confident and submissive at the same time i agree with that um what type of women intimidate you all of them yeah Your exes Alexes are terrifying Kind of women to me Very stylish women Yeah Because I am trying my best with my style

And when I see someone who has it Like male or female I just see it as a form of intelligence That is just very subtle and tasteful and um you know i don't think i have amazing style but i'm interested in it and when i see someone that just really kills it on either side i'm like damn that person's got some swagger to them i wonder what else they think about that way i'm i'm a i'm dressed like a slob so it's just like doesn't affect me it but it doesn't it doesn't intimidate me but i but i respect it i think it's great

i mean i think any form of like self-expression like that like people really care about is is like incredible um and it like i'm bummed that i don't have the like capacity to go the distance uh so you got other stuff going on yeah yeah exactly yeah you put on a sweater today like you look great yeah this is a cardigan that i's very fond of okay this is the most listen to podcast by women yeah is there anything you want to say to just like the women make amends yeah you may have offended on this episode i don't I was going to say, is there anything you would want to say to, like, the women of the world listening from the chain snokers? I feel like, ironically, like, I mean, I grew up in a house full of women, funny enough.

And I know, like, your mom is one of your, like, biggest inspiration, best, like, friendships. And, and, like, I know in general, I almost feel like we, I feel like I have more in common with, like, the females in my life in terms of how we can relate to them. And it's just, it's really cool to have this opportunity to be on the show. And hopefully we didn't make too big a fool of ourselves. And, you know, I'm honestly a huge fan of your. It's, like, really cool to see anyone. But, like, especially, you know, you in this case, like, create such an amazing brand that, like, inspires people. And I think that at the end of the day, like, if you can go out and inspire, like, three or four people to say, like, I can just be myself and people will acknowledge me for that and, you know, and celebrate that.

That's, like, pretty much the greatest thing, you know, that we could all ask for. Did I spend that? That was good. That was great. That was good. I was freestyling out here. You're like, how is that going to go with the press? Is that going to work?

You guys are amazing. Thank you so much. Chain Smokers. It was an honor. Thank you for coming on Call our Daddy. Thank you, Alex. Thanks, guys. Sweet.