Call Her Daddy - The REAL Ghosting Experience (ft. Jonathan Mark)

Episode Date: May 2, 2022

This week, Father Cooper is joined by celebrity medium Jonathan Mark. You may know him from his work on the infamous Gabby Petito case, but his work didn’t begin there and he’s here to tell us all about it. Jonathan describes how he first discovered his gift, his experience as a medium, and how his abilities have helped save lives and solve active crimes. Enjoy an episode filled with supernatural stories and decide for yourself - do you believe? 

what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy hello hello hello party people there's something about a goddamn mini a little aren't people like obsessed with miniature things some people are obsessed with mini things well i'm obsessed with mini episodes for call Her Daddy. Welcome back, guys. I hope you're having an incredible, relaxing Sunday. I am going to contribute to that zen energy. If you have never had a medium reading or you don't even know what a medium is, today you guys are going to hear from Jonathan Mark, who is a famous medium. He helped on the Gabby Petito case and many other famous cases. I want to give you guys a heads up before you listen that in the episode, you will hear he and I referencing my personal reading that he did for me. We did it at the beginning of the episode and I chose not to keep my personal

reading in because it was extremely emotional and contained a lot of personal family information that I'm just not really wanting to open up about publicly right now. I hope you guys can understand. So aside from that, just want to give you a heads up if you hear us referencing that, that's what we're talking about. But anyways, now some of you may be thinking, why the fuck are you having a medium on Call Her Daddy, Alex? Well, you know, okay, everybody calm down. I don't know if you guys have been noticing, but I've been trying to kind of meet with different experts and authors and just different professionals of their fields. And so I figured why not have a medium on? That shit's really interesting to me. And so you guys can decide for yourself. Do you believe in all of this or not? Daddy gang, enjoy. Here is Jonathan Mark.

So to anyone that's not familiar, can you explain for us like what is a medium? Yeah, like so I try to explain like just like a medium is the person I can access. I would say a part of their I guess like you can say brain mind whatever you want to call it but it's really the brain and you can kind of have like a funnel of like like the energy that has passed away to come through to kind of give you messages for the living so you're kind of like the medium you're kind of like the person that kind of just like it's like a funnel and just like you're just the messenger really and is there a difference between a medium and a psychic? 100%. And that's like such a great question. Cause I think people don't understand that.

Like a psychic is someone that strictly tells the future, like just strictly will tell you like things that are going on. A medium is someone who only talks about like the past. So there, there are two two different things but if you're like a true medium you are also a psychic because like what but like depending on how you read everyone reads different like if someone asked me a question about like the future I tell people it's a little unrealistic because it's like you have free will to do like whatever you want essentially but I use your loved ones to kind of give me like the information for through like

validation of like the names of people and stuff so but I also know free will is like such a big thing so like I'm super aware about it the word psychic is very is used often medium I feel like hasn't been and so it's interesting to hear the difference um calls me psychic I'm like oh my god you're like no yeah I'm like oh my freaking god I'm like no so you have a pretty amazing story about the first time that you that your like medium abilities were revealed to you when you were only four right basically when I was a kid when I was six months old my mom's sister her like best best best best, best friend. They live together. Everything. She passed away tragically. She was my age actually when she passed. And so I was, it was actually Easter

time, I think. And my grandfather, her father, my mom's other sister were there. And I walk up to them and I'm like, oh, and Sue's thanking you for bearing her in your jean jacket. Like she's comfortable. And my mom like looked at me and she's like what you say my grandpa was like he screams what the hell does that mean he's like what the hell is that so my mom starts like tearing up and my grandpa and my other aunt like look at her and they're like what so i guess when they live together there's a jean jacket that they would steal back and forth from each other like constantly and when the service happened she um like walked in after the service to the casket put the jean jacket on her so no one knew about so my mom wanted to go and buy herself to say her final goodbye without anyone being there

because she was having such a hard time processing it and then my mom started crying and like because she wanted her to be warm underground and she felt she felt like that jean jacket always kept her warm which is so nice and yeah and then from there like even crazier head crap happened so it's like but that was like the first like big thing that like my mom's like what the hell was that do you remember like how that information at that age like came to you was it a vision was it audio did you hear something did you see an image i saw her so like that's how it happened it's like i would literally see her like i live on loyal and when we moved here and when i started really

seeing her in this house um there's like a long hallway into the kitchen and when i was a kid all our rooms are in the corner so when i would go up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom whatever i would see her she'd just smile and like wave at me but every time she would do it would be a different outfit with different jewelry so i would i would describe to her my mom would pull out the earrings that i described pull out the necklace i mean i have the necklace in my pocket that i i used to do readings with it so i described it to her when i was a kid so when i I got older and I started doing this, she gave me the stuff that I described to her. So when I do readings, I put it in my pocket every time. It's like a comfort thing for me.

What were you feeling when you discovered this ability? So when I was a kid, I kind of thought it was normal. I thought you saw it, we all saw it. And I guess when I was getting it and I guess like when I was like getting older and I wanted you know like my boys and my friends and everyone we were like hanging out and I'm seeing this stuff and they're not seeing it and like I guess like as you get older too you kind of realize like that stuff is like people could perceive it as weird and or whatever or just like different so I wanted to be as like quote-unquote like normal as

possible right so um I kind of just stopped speaking about it I just like but as like I was getting older typically if you don't like use it or whatever for a long period of time it kind of dwindles down but it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and then that's when I thought I was like schizophrenic and I was like before I went off to college to play my sport in college for like preseason and stuff, I like asked my mom about it. And like, if there's any schizophrenia in the family, the family and stuff. That is like, I can't imagine being that young and having these moments within yourself. And like you just said, like you literally were questioning, you're like, am I schizophrenic?ic like what's happening and even though your experiences started to happen at a young age I know that you didn't really like

confirm that you were a medium until you were 20 how did that unfold so it was kind of like what I was telling you about like when I was going off to college for pre-season I did a year home at a community college I'm sure you know I don't know if you know about sports I'm sure you know about sports and stuff yeah I decommitted from school so I went to community college for a year to go to like another school and so when I went to this other school to play lacrosse I it was the night before and I told my mom about the schizophrenia thing and she's like I'm going to see this medium like do you want me to ask her and And I was like, I mean, like, I have to be honest, I was like, 20 years old 1920. I thought mediums have like big ass hair, long nails and stuff. I was like, who the hell is this person gonna tell me like, what, what's going on? And I was like,

I guess so I'll never forget this. I came back from a scrimmage. And she calls me. And she's like, the medium said you could be crazy. She doesn't know. Like, you have to come in for her to like, no, she has to see you. I was like, OK, so I come home for December and I walk in there. I'm telling you, I was probably more skeptic than like most people. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I walk in and she goes, I'll never forget this.

And my mom can attest to this, too, because I made her come with me because i know who the hell this person was and she goes holy shit i've never seen someone this developed and this gifted this young she's like oh my god she's like can i train you i swear god the first thing i said was hell no i was like i was like hell no i was like i want to go back to school i want to drink party have fun play lacrosse. I'm like, no. And I walk out. I'm in the car and I'm like, shit, man. If I have this ability that she says that I do, I think I should help people. Because if I wasn't doing this, I was doing NYPD and stuff. So it was like, I always wanted to help people.

So I call her back a week later. And I was like, you know what? Let's do this. So I go in and she goes, read me. I was like, I always wanted to help people. So I call her back a week later. And I was like, you know what, like, let's do this. So I go in and she goes read me. I was like, what? And she's like, if you're really as gifted as I think you are, like you can read me kind of like what I did with you just before. And I was like, okay, so I read her and she was she was impressed. She kind of helped me kind of decipher on like what I was seeing, because I was still like, unclear about like, what certain things like men. she's roomed the public for about like six to eight years and about six months I caught up to her like I guess you say skill level or whatever so she basically like told me to go on and do your like own thing and then that's when my mom became so important in this because she like

would bring friends from work and like their friends and like people that I had no idea that she didn't really have a relationship with too much. And then I would do these readings and stuff. I'm telling you like bizarre shit. Wow. At a pretty young age, that's very selfless of you to realize like, you know what? I think I just, if I have this, like I want to help people like that's incredible with this ability. Can you call upon it at any time, any place, or does there have to be like a specific right moment? So I could basically do it whenever. I mean, I definitely can do it whenever.

And I had instances where like, you know, I freaked people out, um, and stuff, but I've also learned, like, you have to be able to ignore it. Otherwise you'll get burned out because it takes so much to do. That's why I'm wearing a sweatshirt because I sweat so much when I do it. So it's like, I always wear a sweatshirt. It's like, if you, if like anyone sees my readings and stuff, like most of the time I'm either wearing like a black shirt, t-shirt, if it's an LA and I'm sweating or just like a hoodie, it just takes so much out of you. Can you read stuff for yourself in your life? I wish I wish it would help me so much. I wish everyone comes to me. Everyone comes. Oh my

God. I wish I could. I wish. Do you have like, though, like, have you been able to set boundaries for yourself? In the last few years, I've been reading like a lot of like people out in LA and like the celebrity stuff and they don't have boundaries. So it's kind of like there's little to no boundaries. And I've learned that like when someone wants something, they want it like now and they don't want to wait. So I'm trying to tell people like, hey, just like wait, like a couple weeks or just give me like a couple days. But I'm also and I recognize this, I'm a peopleaser so like I'm like immediately they say like I need help I just walk away and I kind of read them for like 20 minutes and then I go back to like what I'm doing even if I'm out at a bar and they call me I do it I get what you're saying especially the celebrities and like that's like a weird line for you I'm sure you have to like at first it was probably cool and now you're like okay actually some of these people are that's exactly that's literally exactly at first I was like I can't believe I'm in the have to like, at first it was probably cool. And now you're like, okay, actually some of these people are, that's exactly, that's literally exactly. At first I was like, I can't believe I'm in the room with these people. Like, and now you're like, okay,

you'd rather help like someone in your community that like actually fucking needs the help. 100%. And that's exactly what I lean towards now. I lean towards those people that need that, not like the celebrity that wants to know like, what's their next script or something. Yes. I'm curious. Can all dead people communicate with the living yeah so i kind of explain it like this like everyone can sing but not everyone can sing like frank sinatra so everyone kind of has the ability it's just like how far can you push it and how far can your body push it so it's just all all in different ways so you're able to communicate with the dead, but you also have visions of things that might happen to the living.

Can you explain the story of the first person whose life you saved yeah I was doing a reading and it was I was I obviously won't forget because like my mom obviously repeats this all time because they reach out to her for my readings and stuff so they still do and i i was reading her and i kept bringing up i'm gonna use i'm gonna use the name john right just my name so i'll be like i'll be like they keep showing john they keep showing his heart and he needs to get to a hospital like asap they keep putting hospital signs next to him like and she's like john like i spoke to him like last week like we're good friends but like that's weird so at the end i guess she i told her i go can you please just text or call him like just so i know that you did it like just so for like my head and stuff whatever so she texts him and this this guy goes bullshit this kid's full of fucking shit like

who the hell is this kid is wackadoo, like whatever. So I guess a week goes by and he's like, well, he's describing something. And he specifically said me, I'm going to go to the doctor, whatever he goes, I'm just going to go. So he calls his doctor and he goes, the doctor says like, does all these tests. Like they did like the EKG and all that stuff. And they said, holy shit, get to the hospital. Now everything is bad. Get to the hospital. They go to the hospital. I think they said like almost all of his arteries were clogged and he could have, if they basically said he had 48 hours to live before he had a massive heart attack and die if he didn't get to the hospital then. So he did open heart

surgery and they saved his life. He came to my house about three months later, I guess, after he like recovered and like hugged me, I don't know who the hell this guy was it's a random ass dude at my house gave me a hug explained to me the situation showed me the scar on his chest yeah now we're friends and obviously and um I've done it with like other people but like that was the first like that was the first time that I was like holy shit like, like, I can help people. Was that a turning point for anything for you? Or you were just like, here we go, I got to keep going. It was a turning point, because it was kind of like, I was working in the city, and I was going through the process for NYPD and all that stuff. And I wasn't sure, like, do I divulge and really go into this, like, stuff? Or

do I just say, fuck it and stay with NYPD and all that? And my mom actually encouraged me to like leave everything that I was doing to go do this. And yeah, it kind of was a huge turning point because like then it made it seem real to me, like really real to me. Like this could really help people on a different level than talking to whoever, like that's awesome.

But it's like really saving someone like that's incredible. Have you ever approached someone in public just to tell them like that, like someone that died was trying to communicate with them? Okay, I got a good story about that. Okay. I was in college. And I had too much fun. And I had to come home for a semester. I love the way you say that. I'm like, yo, I just had way too much fun and I had to come home for a semester. I love the way you say that. I'm like, yo, I just had way too much fun. Like, you know, I had too much fun. So I came home and it was psychology 101. I failed it in the school and the previous school I was at.

So I had to retake it to get back in and stuff. And, and I'm sitting there and the professor's, uh, um, son kept coming through and it was kind of weird because if I'm put in a white room, I like, I never told this to anyone, but if I, if I'm put in a white room, it's like everything amplifies for me by like a hundred because it's like what, how the energy comes through is like so bright. So you put a white wall, it's's like i'm seeing everything just like even more bright in like a white room it's kind of like if the sun hits it whatever so i'm packing up so slow waiting for everyone to leave the room like i'm literally putting like everything it's so slow and i woke up to her and i'm like hey like i don't know if you believe in mediums and stuff but your son i said his name and i said he also

committed suicide and i said he committed suicide and i said what he was wearing and how he was found and he wants you to like kind of lift this burden i'm like obviously easier said than done and i also said like today's his birthday and i know you're going to his grave and the look that she gave me was like who the fuck are you how the fuck did you know that? And get the fuck out of here. Like that, it was like all three put into like one really. So she started crying and I got all, all of those looks and then I kind of took the hint and I was like, okay, I'm going to, you know, get out of here. So she's,

I hear her like kind of like yelping and like, you know, like when someone cries really loud, they'll like yell a little bit. She was yelping. And I heard her like kind of like yelping and like, you know, like when someone cries really loud, they like, yeah, she was yelping and I heard her like clear her desk, like throw stuff like off her desk. And I'm like, like, shit, I shouldn't have said this, like whatever. So it was like a Monday, Wednesday class. So I come back on Monday. She goes, Jonathan, stay after it. God talked to you like that. And I'm like, Oh fuck.. And I'm like, oh, fuck.

Yeah, like, fuck. And she said to me, she goes, I'm sorry how I reacted. It was the death date or the birthday or whatever. And she's like, I was going to his grave right after. And she's like, the fact that you like, I don't even bring him up because I don't like post about him. She's like, I don't do anything like that. So she's like, only people that really know are my immediate family and close friends to know about the situation. And she's like, she goes, yes, I reacted wrong. But the comfort that you gave

me from a complete stranger, she goes like kid telling me this. She goes, I fell asleep at night better. So she's like, thank you. Did you give me a good grade? People will probably ask that. No, she didn't. I got like the bare minimum of like a C plus to transfer. But you're like, I didn't get the A, but you know, yeah. Wow. I mean, I feel like a lot of us in life, it's like you, sometimes you think you don't want to hear it, but then when you hear it, there is a sense of hearing it is the beginning of the healing process. And so like the fact that you're, you have the ability to do that is so powerful. Wow. Okay. So one of the most interesting things that I was researching

about you is that like the police force has quite literally like welcomed you and your ability, which is wild. Like also, is that even, is that like common for police forces to consult with mediums in their detective work? They'll say no, obviously, but it is common. Okay. So you've had experiences of helping determine the motive for a murder case. Can you talk us through that story? Yeah. So basically I used to do group readings I don't do them anymore because it's like for a lot of things but there was like 20 people there and this woman comes in and I say I'm like oh my god it looks like your mom was murdered by your like father-in-law and then he killed himself and she starts like bawling and she's like yes and I said like their

names and stuff like you know the thing kind of like what I do with you and she was like bawling and she's like yes and I said like their names and stuff like you know the thing kind of like what I do with you and she was like you know crying and it was like tough so I said like a couple things then she reached out to me and she was like I need you to come back because we need to find the motive of kind of like why my father-in-law came in and murdered my mom so I basically you know told her what i saw which which was like jealousy and money and like like other factors to it obviously and um the police found like all these notes and all the stuff in the guy's like attic and like everything and it was exactly that it was like exactly like what i told them you know that's kind of like the the first that kind of gave me

some respect on my name with like this because it was a big case um and like they kind of like holy shit like that's kind of weird like you know like what the hell and then it just led into like other things that like kind of they kind of like hit me up for. You've helped find missing people. Can you tell us like an example of a missing person that you were able to help locate? Yeah. So I was reached out to by the girl's mom. So I try to help them. And basically what happened was she was dating someone and there was abuse stuff that was happening. And she kind of just like fled and left and she was in college in a college town so the police got involved and i'm telling her what i see i start naming these people that were with her the night before and she was like holy shit like yes like we had to call these people and like the process of like the night and i get the

information from like their loved ones i don't just like like feed off their. Like I need to talk to someone for them to give it to me. So basically what happened was I told them like, there was this body of water where like Amtrak is and she's going on an Amtrak like train, like she's out of Harbor and she's going on the train to get like out of state. They look at the street cameras from what I'm telling them. They see her sitting on the

harbor swinging her feet back and forth then they see her get on an amtrak to texas and stop the train like 30 minutes in and pull her off that was like the first one then i get a call back now mind you they don't call me back right away like like if they find the person i'm waiting like a month like i saw like a couple weeks to a month so um they reached out to me and they're like again they're like you know the two police forces that like i've spoken to they don't know each other because they're two different states but they were like you know we thought this was a crock of shit they told me and they're like you know you know we would love to like you know if anything ever happens to keep you you know in our index if whatever and i'm like yeah i'm sure you

would love that do they pay you after or no i don't take money from them okay i just want to help them i would be interested to know like how do you pick and choose with regard to like those types of like cases when the police are reaching out like how often are you able to provide your yeah so i have over 250 cases that are like given to me like right now from like literally all over the world like you can say south africa you can do like like all these places like the philippines holland ireland like everywhere are people offering like crazy money for you to some are some are yeah i wouldn't take their money because if I can help, I can help. But I don't really like have like quite a process of like who, who I pick.

I will probably say I'll give that to my mom because my mom will like read all them. And she, yeah. And she like, whenever she feels that like, you know. Connection to it. She's like, you got to do this one. That's really cool that you do it with your, like your mom is like so helpful with you with this stuff that sounds like she's like your right hand woman yeah she's like the best like she works a full-time job and does all my stuff at night and yeah she like spends hours like i get the stuff i get which i'm very thankful for hours yeah well one of your most recent,

that was obviously like one of the biggest cases in the world at the time was the Gabby Petito case. Yes. And just last year, 22 year old Gabby Petito was reported missing on long Island where you live. Yeah. How quickly did someone reach out to you regarding the Gabby Petito case? So someone involved in the case of

it wasn't a family person. So it was someone that was getting all their stuff was basically just like, hey, you know, what do you see? He goes as a friend and someone who's probably gonna be pulled on to this or involved or whatever. And I told him, I said to him i go listen because she was missing at this point and it's all documented there's been people who wrote articles which i'm very thankful for about me like about like the timeline stuff and i basically said i was like if she's here that's not a good thing like if i could see her how i'm seeing her that's not a good thing um and i said it looks like she's been you know obviously murdered obviously murdered by, by Brian Laundrie. And I go, also, it seems like she's been dead for a couple of weeks. Like, it doesn't seem like when you find her, she's freshly passed away. I said about two to three weeks before. And so time goes by. And then the coroner comes out that she, well, they found her body. And that's when like Brian Laundrie went missing and stuff. And he was a lead suspect at the time. And then they were like, she's been dead for about two to three weeks.

Like the coroner predicted, like it's been about two, two weeks, two to three. Like, so then I got a lot of attention from it because I said it publicly. And then all of a sudden, like it just gained some attention.

And then it became like people wanted updates, which is fine. I did a little bit of updates, but then I realized I can't do that because if I'm talking to this person who's involved, it's like becomes a very tricky situation. So I kind of like stopped doing it publicly. In these situations, like did information about Gabby start coming to you before anyone reached out or do you have to be asked about like a specific case to start receiving that type of information? Yeah, that's a good question. Um, I didn't really like look before I was asked. I mean, like, I'm sure if I really like honed in, I could maybe find some stuff. But I didn't really look until someone like reached out to me,

because I didn't want to also step over a line with like prying information. Because like at a certain point with these, because there were so many police forces that were involved in this case people don't even realize like there's like all these different forces all these like the FBI and you don't want to step on their toes like at the same time the Brian Laundrie situation I know you can't speak too much about it but like how did that information come to you that he was the one that killed Gabby because well she kept kind of insinuating her like a significant other like someone who's extremely close to her heavily involved in the murder okay and then she basically also I guess when like time went on I was reading because this is also public I said back in

September I go it's unfortunate because he's going to take his own life he's going to shoot himself and what's the unfortunate part about it is that you're not going to get the information from the horse's mouth like you're not going to be able to get exactly what you want to hear like no one is and and then it turns out like months later he shot himself in the head and all that. So it became like a very fine line of, I removed all that stuff from social media. I just removed it because like people were, I mean, like I had like a somewhat of a following for it, but then it kind of went up and then I didn't realize how like the power of social media, I didn't like really understand it.

Was it freaking you out how much people were reacting to social media or were you are you just saying like you were realizing like I don't think it's smart for me to put these things out there it was a mixture of both like people were like tweeting about me I've been following Jonathan Mark and he's been like on and I was just like that's weird and then like you know that's super weird and people writing articles I'm like that's also really weird and like I also was like I don't want to ruin my reputation of just like talking about stuff because like it is private but like I was just reached out to for like information and stuff it was such a public case too that's also what like freaked me out it was it was so publicized and then you had all these people that were like um it was 75 good 25 like people like stay in your own fucking lane like you know

what i'm saying like people were gonna tell me that and then i kind of just like realized the power of social media and i was just like i'm taking a step back from it you know thank you so much thank you amazing and i i we should definitely do something again sometime. Like you're amazing. I would love that. Yeah, that'd be so sick. All right, guys, that is it for this week's mini episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it.

I'm very excited for next week's guest. I will be announcing it on my social media probably by the end of the day today or on Monday. You know, have a great Sunday. Go take a little weed gummy. Go drink some tea. Get in the bath. Relax. Masturbate. Turn on your favorite show. Do what you gotta do. Sunday scaries only exist if you let them exist. Okay, I love you all. Goodbye. all goodbye