Call Her Daddy - Your Friends Aren't Therapists

Episode Date: December 7, 2025

This week, Alex breaks down what it means to have “medium friends” in your life. She gets into how these friendships differ from your inner circle, and why having friends you’re not super close ...with can actually be really refreshing. Alex also hits on when to know if your friendships have become one-sided, and how to avoid becoming your friend’s therapist. Finally, Alex discusses if it’s okay to tell a girl she’s getting cheated on, how to navigate discussing strip clubs with your partner, and why moving to a new city might not fix all your problems. Enjoy! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, Daddy Gang. Welcome back to another Sunday session, guys. I couldn't be happier. I am actually in the best mood in the world. Why, Alex? Why would you be in such a gorgeous mood? Oh, because it's a Sunday session and we're all just hanging out? Yes, yes, but also no. It has been raining for about seven straight days in Los Angeles and it is finally cold and it's chilly and it is the most gorgeous weather I could have ever asked for in the world. Everyone in L.A. that's, like, from the West Coast or in L.A. It's like people are acting like they don't know how to drive. I'm from the East Coast, okay? My mother used to put my siblings and I in the minivan, and we would be, like, sliding on ice, okay, to get to the soccer game. And Lori would just plow through the snow, okay? And it was, like, a normal day. Rain?
Starting point is 00:00:51 Rain was just, like, a sunny day in Pennsylvania growing up. And people on the roads right now are acting like they could swerve off the road from, like, a little bit of rain. So the East Coaster in me could not be happier and cozier that it is finally actually kind of feeling like wintertime, okay? I do love living in Los Angeles, but I am a season's whore through and through. And this is feeling, you know, it's it's bare minimum. It's giving bare minimum, but I'll take it. It's like, let the rain fall down.
Starting point is 00:01:23 I'm all of a sudden not drinking my ice coffees in the morning. It's like 70 degrees outside. but I'm like, oh my God, I have to make a hot chocolate. Anyways, because of the rain, I have been doing something lately that I wouldn't say I don't do often, but I've definitely amped it up in the past month. And then this past seven days, I feel like it's all I've been doing in between work, which I will get to. Because I can't believe I'm going to say this.
Starting point is 00:01:54 But lately, I have found myself just really missing learning. You know, you couldn't pay me to say those words. When I was in high school, middle school, high school, college, I was like a good student, but I didn't want to be. Like, I wasn't happy. You know what I mean? I wasn't enjoying studying. I wasn't enjoying doing all these things. Like, I actually really quite hated it. So I know that may sound weird, but it's the honest truth. Like, I feel like for so much of our lives, yes, although we may not enjoy it when we're in school. And then even in the start of our careers. We're learning all the time, whether we want to or not, and we're constantly being exposed to new ideas and we're being forced to grow and evolve. And then as you get older, you kind of settle into your life and your career and that external push to keep learning really starts to go away. And then it becomes solely on you to stay curious and interested in wanting to learn and expand your knowledge of the world. And a lot of us are like, Sayanara motherfuckers. I'm never opening a textbook again, which is so fair, which is so fair,
Starting point is 00:02:58 because I feel like a lot of us are traumatized from school and, like, the SATs or, you know, midterms. And you're like, I don't want to, I don't want to do this again. I want to watch Gilmore Girls and Gossip Girl and that is my education. That is so fair, okay. But I will say that I have noticed, and I'm sure it's not this way for people directly out of college. But as I'm, you know, entering my 30s and I'm in my early 30s now, like I will say I've noticed just how much better I feel when I am taking. time to learn just for the sake of it, whether it's spending a day reading articles or watching
Starting point is 00:03:34 a documentary or reading a book that I wouldn't normally pick up. It just feels good to be curious and to think on topics that aren't in my immediate worldview. What a concept. And so why I'm bringing this up on Collar Daddy on a random Sunday session is because I realized I'm not alone in this. I have seen so many videos on the internet of people being like, I'm like craving some form of substance and intelligence back in my life. And I feel like so much of our life right now is consumed by the internet. And obviously at times it is, there is nothing better than to sit and relax and watch people make new food recipes that you're going to save and you're never make or try on makeup and you're watching them try on the makeup and the clothes and all the things. Lovely.
Starting point is 00:04:23 but I do feel like a lot of us are starting to kind of hit a wall where we feel like, okay, my brain is literally rotting and I need to stimulate myself in order to actually learn something and so that I can continue to evolve and have interesting thoughts and conversations with myself and also other people. Like what a concept. And so today I kind of want to start carving out time on these Sunday sessions to just do that together. This isn't going to be me like preaching at you guys. I'm trying to also fucking learn myself. And I kind of want to make this like a little book club for us. It's going to be bite-sized podcasts where I'm going to compile articles, essays, think pieces, and talk to therapists when we could obviously use an expert opinion on a topic.
Starting point is 00:05:07 But when I find something interesting or ideally even challenging to understand that I think I am interested in and you guys would be interested in, I am going to bring it here. And we will get into it together. Okay? This is not turning into an educational podcast. Okay, we're not going to be talking about the microbiome unless you want me to do that. You know, we could go back to the plasma. I was never good in science. No, but I just, I think it's important. Like, I went to a dinner the other night with my husband and some of our friends and someone brought up this question. And I was like, oh, I was recently reading a book that talked about this one of the chapters. And everyone was like, tell us more, Alex. And I don't know the last time anyone has done that at a dinner table with me other
Starting point is 00:05:56 than they were like, tell us what it was like to interview Kim Kardashian or tell us what it was like to interview, which is still so fun. But this was something where I was like, oh my God, I'm actually bringing information and I'm sharing things with people that people are like, wait, that's fascinating. What is the book called? And I want to read it. So, you know what? It is kind of fun to feel like you're smart. Even if you're just learning it from a book and you're retaining it. What a concept. Let's try to do that. little bit more often. And if you don't want to read the book, great, I will distill it down to you from me reading the fucking books for you guys, okay? So let's get into it. This week, we're starting
Starting point is 00:06:28 with a somewhat, I think, pretty easy-ish topic, but I found an article about the expectations we place on friendships. And it really had me evaluating the relationships that I have in my own life. and it is from the New York Times, and it is called the vexing problem of the medium friend by Lisa Miller. And so just off the bat, let's start with like, what is a medium friend? Like, what does that mean? Because I've personally never heard that term before I read this article. And so according to this article, the medium friend is someone who you're not that close with, but they're more than just like a casual acquaintance.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Maybe you hang out with them a few times a year. Maybe you see them weekly at a shared activity like pickleball or pottery or, you know, Pilates, if that's your thing. And they are people that we enjoy seeing and can share fun experiences with, but they're not actually in your closest circle of friends. I think in a time where we are so caught up in the weeds of labeling and quantifying who our best friends are, like, oh my God, who is coming on. on my bachelorette and who's going to be my, you know, in my bridesmaids and who's going to be
Starting point is 00:07:49 invited to my birthday dinner and all these things. Like, I weirdly think there's actually something beautiful about the medium friend. And I'm going to get into truly what that is because the point is this person doesn't have to be everything to you, but they can still serve a genuine purpose in your life. One of my medium friends is a girl who I met in college and she lives in L.A. now. but we don't really see each other very often. Let's call her Jessica. Jessica and I have both been saying like, oh my God, we need to do this. And then we'll be like, oh, my God, wait, can you actually do it next week?
Starting point is 00:08:26 And then once it's next week, then it's like, wait, could you actually do it next week? And we have literally been trying to get together for four months now, trying to find a time that would work for both of us for dinner. And so by the time that the day actually rolled around that worked for both of us, I am not going to lie. I was a little apprehensive and in my head about just like, what would the vibe be? We hadn't seen each other in a minute. I also was so tired from work. So it was easier for me to just cancel. I was like, maybe it will just be simpler because like, well, we even have that much to talk
Starting point is 00:08:54 about and like, how will the conversation go and all these things? I just had no idea what I was getting into. And then, you guys, it turned out to be one of my favorite nights that I've had in a really, really long time. And I think it's because one, there was nostalgia there. So I was able to talk about a time in my life that I don't get to talk about that often anymore. Like I don't have that many people that live in Los Angeles that I went to college with that I'm like actively just like going to dinners with. But then on top of that, she and I have actually like couldn't have more polar opposite of jobs and professions.
Starting point is 00:09:26 So it was so fascinating to talk to her about what was going on at work for her and what was she was up to and hearing her talk about something that I had no vested interest in. but I also was fascinated because it was like taking me out of my life for a minute. Also weirdly like hearing about like what are your family doing for the holidays and what are you guys going to be doing? It was nice because I also don't really know her family at all. So yes, she was even giving me some of the family drama, but it wasn't directly going to affect my life. And I almost weirdly like didn't need to give advice. I was just kind of like, oh my God, wait, well, I can tell you my family drama. So it was kind of really lovely to get more into it.
Starting point is 00:10:02 I want to read you a portion of the New York Times article on a. this topic. Medium friends are genuine friends. You share history such as the same alma mater, circumstances such as an employer or interest. Medium friends make you laugh, bring news, offer insights or expertise. But unlike the closest friends, medium friends test the limits of your time, love, and energy. There are only so many dinners in a week, so many people with whom you can be incessantly texting. Medium friends prove the lie. in any naive attempt to be all things to all people. The tension embedded in medium friendship is this absence of clarity.
Starting point is 00:10:45 The anxious silence around medium friendship are recognizable to anyone who has ever fibbed about the duration of a business trip to postpone a date in the calendar and to anyone who has heard I'll call you too many times. The stakes increase in crisis or celebrations when the lack of clarity and any lopsidedness reveals itself. In a personal emergency, the inner circle knows to rush in while the acquaintances feel safe to commiserate from the sidelines. But the medium people orbit in a wobbly way, unsure of their obligations around how, when, or even whether to act. So this, in my opinion, is why I think so many people and myself included struggle when it comes to a medium friend in our
Starting point is 00:11:34 lives. Like, we don't know how much to be there for them. Maybe we feel guilty when we're not there enough. We're not sure what the right and the wrong way to handle things may be when the boundaries are unclear. But at the same time, this is the very thing that allows for so much joy to come from these type of friendships, right? Like the lack of expectations, like I just referenced with my friend, is the reason that you're able to be completely genuine in the way that you show up in this dynamic. And it's not fake. And it's not fake. And it's It's not, maybe it is a little surface level, but like maybe we need a little bit of that in our life. I think something that I think about a lot is like the expectations of medium friends is maybe where things get a little murky right of like, okay, wait, so you're not my best friend and you're not in my inner circle, but we have been having a lot of good conversations.
Starting point is 00:12:25 So like there can be like this levity and almost a sense of relief that comes with knowing a conversation with a medium friend. is going to be light and easy. And that's what I'm saying about your best friends or your best friends. But sometimes I think it's nice to go and laugh and relax and like have a glass of wine or don't have a glass of wine, whatever you are into. But it's like just going and just like sharing lighthearted stories and not having to go so, so deep sometimes I weirdly think can be healthy oddly. Something I also think is, and I don't know the actual answer.
Starting point is 00:13:01 And I guess I'm posing it to all of us, which is is it. sometimes easier to be around a medium friend when we're going through a hard time. Of course you're calling your best friend when you go through the breakup or when your parents divorced or when something traumatic happens in your life. Like, of course you're calling your closest friend. But then after so many nights of commiserating and sitting there and being upset and whatever, maybe sometimes it is nice to have a medium friend where you're like, I need someone that doesn't know all of my shit, that we're close enough where like,
Starting point is 00:13:33 I can say I'm going through a tough time and I just want to have a fun time. And you guys can go to a dinner or you guys can go to a pottery class or you can go to a party or an event or you can go on a walk. You can go to a workout class and you kind of get to just like talk about your favorite restaurants that you tried that month or talk about some fun things that you saw online. And it's like very casual. I don't know. I would love to know your guys' thoughts because I think as we get older, there's this emphasis
Starting point is 00:13:59 right on, you know, keep your friends close and have. We don't have that much time to invest in a bunch of friendships, but I'm not saying that you're really investing that much time in medium friends. It's that once a month. Or maybe it is you're seeing them once a week because you're in a workout class with them or you're doing something actively. But it's not requiring the lift that is required of true, true, true, intense friendships where there is an actual understanding that like you need to show up for me similar to a romantic relationship almost. Some people would look at their best friends as, right? In a medium friendship, I think a lot of the times your energy can be replenished by your time spent
Starting point is 00:14:40 together. You typically don't feel drained or overwhelmed by someone who, like, again, not to be rude, but just like is kind of this like side character in your life. And that's okay because it's the same for them. And again, I'm not saying you don't care about this person. It's just a more casual, lovely, surfacy relationship that is doing exactly what you both want it to be doing. You both have a lot of other things going on in your lives, and it doesn't really bother either of you, right? The emotional labor associated with these type of friendships is typically pretty low. I also read another article about this specific idea.
Starting point is 00:15:17 It's called Why I Cherished My Superficial Friendships and You Should Too by Hazel Davis. Okay. And again, I'm actually interested to hear what you guys think about this because some of you may be like absolutely not. I don't want any surface relationships in my life anymore. that's so fair, but I think a couple can kind of do you good. Okay, here's what she writes. Superficial friendships can provide all manner of benefits.
Starting point is 00:15:42 You might do different things together and get new perspectives because you don't have a habit with this person. You get to be a free and easygoing person who can forget about your problems for the night and that person doesn't have a preconceived idea of who you are and what you think. You have a lighthearted, fun, and easy companion without. baggage. By definition, a low-risk friendship means that very little is required of you. The high-stakes ones can entail arguments, anger, tears, and heartbreak. I'm not saying that there aren't friends for whom I would drop everything. And of course, I have some pals who I'm
Starting point is 00:16:17 closer to than others, but I certainly place as much value on both types of friends. I don't know if I agree with that statement. I definitely think I don't place the same value in my medium friends than my like lifers, but I do place the same value, I would say, in terms of like what you're recognizing that each person is going to be bringing exactly their value and what you're expecting of them. And that is a beautiful thing. It's like tailoring your expectations per person and where your relationship is, right? She says, unlike romantic relationships, we don't have conversations about friendship boundaries. So true. Instead, you will have to use social cues and behaviors to understand them. Essentially, anything that sits uncomfortably with you, you know that
Starting point is 00:17:08 you are not at the same level friendship-wise. So I think what the medium friend concept forces us to consider is that more often than not, friendships are supposed to be fun. And while deeper friendships are supposed to make us feel safe, seen, and loved, they also open us up to the possibility of feeling disappointment or resentment when that dynamic isn't equal, right? And since we don't talk about expectations, needs, or boundaries as much in friendships than we do romantic relationships, I think that we typically only have these conversations with a friend after a conflict or a fight. So that means day to day, it is on us to look inward at our friendships and be like,
Starting point is 00:17:50 is this dynamic mutually supportive? when it comes to getting emotional needs met, does it feel equal? I have definitely experienced the type of friendship before where I essentially became the therapist to one of my close friends. And of course, guys, like, of course when a friend is going through something, you should be there for them and open to talking through a problem with them. And that's, I feel like that's all my childhood friends and I do. I go, then they go, then I go, then they go.
Starting point is 00:18:18 And then we do like, okay, wait, it's a unite, tell me everything. And then I'm going to be here and we're going to solve it. okay, next night is my night. I'm going to tell you, and that's how it goes. But I do think sometimes it can come to a point where you cannot be the sole source of a friend's emotional well-being. And that usually happens from these really, really close friendships, right? Really close friendships. I don't think there's anything more beautiful, but then there's also nothing more delicate than friendships, right? Like romantic relationships are so complicated, but I think they're way more straightforward than friendships because friendships, it's a lot. It's a lot of push and pull because
Starting point is 00:18:58 you aren't living together. You're not sleeping together. Some people are, you know, elevating and growing in a different way that you're actually not privy to because within a romantic partner, you're with them all the time and you're like ebbing and flowing and you're with each other all the time. Friendship, it's like, oh, wait, whoa, what happened? Or again, sometimes your friend can change because of who they're dating. Like there's so many variables in friendships that you can't control, which is why they're 10 times more beautiful sometimes than romantic. but also can be really, really hard in moments to navigate those close friends. And when you become the sole source of your friend's emotional well-being, that is where
Starting point is 00:19:32 things I think get really tricky. I had this one friend when I was living in New York where it started off, I would actually say as a medium friendship, which is kind of ironic because I didn't know what was called that. And it was like, we were close. And then slowly I became her therapist. And I was so happy to do that in the beginning. I was like, oh my gosh, like I am so happy that I can be here for you and I was in a little bit more of a stable place in my life.
Starting point is 00:19:57 And I think then all of a sudden it crept from being a medium friendship to, oh my God, now I'm feeling like your thinking we're super close because I'm here for you all the time. But you don't really know any of my stuff. And when I try to share my stuff, somehow it always turns back to but your stuff is worse. And then I'm sitting here feeling kind of like drained and exhausted and resentful because, you're getting so much more out of this relationship than me. And again, I'm so happy to be there for a friend. That is what friendship is. But when it is so imbalanced, you start to be like, we, but I'm actually not a therapist. We, wait, Jenny, I'm not a therapist. Okay. And you're not paying me for this. I'm supposed to be your fucking friend. And now let's like have a margarita
Starting point is 00:20:46 and ask me how my day was. And for the past 16 dinners, we've only talked about you. Like, what am I getting out of this? This feels really weird and this is starting to feel icky. And I think when this dynamic of intense emotional labor becomes the core of the relationship, that is when a close friendship can become problematic in a way that a medium friendship is typically safe from. in order to be in a healthy friendship you both need to internally evaluate how much you're expecting the other person to take on emotionally a close friendship needs to be mutually supportive in order to maintain a horizontal rather than vertical relationship
Starting point is 00:21:44 which i will get into in a second because i've been reading a book and it's been so fascinating about vertical versus horizontal relationships, but first I just want to pose some questions to ask yourself that I also asked myself earlier this month. If you are sitting there kind of reflecting on the dynamic you have with a close friend and realizing it may be emotionally imbalanced, okay? After you hang out with this friend, how do you feel? Are you anxious, tired, maybe frustrated, are you regularly making sacrifices in your own life to make sure you're able to best show up for them? Do you find that you don't get a chance to ask them for advice because their issues completely steamroll the conversation? And most importantly,
Starting point is 00:22:33 do you feel like you can be your authentic self and say how you truly feel? Or are you constantly walking on eggshells? The goal, I think in all relationships, is for the dynamic to be horizontal rather than vertical. And so two weeks ago, you guys, I had no idea what the fuck that meant. I mean, I can gather what it would mean, but like what is happening. And so, guys, that's why I said we are going to be learning here on Call Her Daddy today. So I have been reading a book called The Courage to Be Disliked, which opened me up to the idea of what horizontal and vertical relationships are. And I think it's really interesting and it's an
Starting point is 00:23:19 interesting way to view a friendship dynamic. So a horizontal relationship is basically a completely egalitarian relationship, which basically means both sides view each other to be of equal status, right? And each one is able to show up authentically without worrying about being inferior or superior to the other. In a good friendship or a good romantic relationship also, or in really any good relationship, a horizontal dynamic means that each person makes their own choices and there's mutual respect and consideration and there is always reciprocity when it comes to support and encouragement. In a vertical relationship, one person is more needed than the other. And so one person typically holds the power or the influence and then controls the outcome of
Starting point is 00:24:13 of the dynamic as a result, right? So like in your life, the earliest most straightforward example would be like a boss in an employee relationship. But something that's more leaning towards unhealthy in a vertical relationship would be a friendship. Like why would one friend have more power over the other? That doesn't make sense, right? And so in vertical friendships, which I urge you because guys, I've been doing this in my life and I'm like, oh my God, is this a vertical or a horizontal relationship. And Matt is like, okay, enough. Like, let's talk about that fucking TV show you were watching. I'm like, you never want to know about my reality shows. And he's like, you can't sit here and go through every single relationship in your life
Starting point is 00:24:56 right now, Alex, but I'm like becoming obsessed because I want to evaluate truly like to the core what I'm fascinated. I'm like, what, where do each of my relationship stands? It's kind of fucking fascinating, right? And so in vertical friendships, one person tends to be benefiting more. than the other. So you would think the person that's giving the advice is like, oh, you're wiser and you're this, so you're on top. No. It's the weaponized incompetence, and I'm not saying people are doing this on purpose, but it's like, does your friend always vent to you nonstop, but never ask you what's going on? Are there problems always projected to be bigger or worse or more important than yours, a.k.a. you're in a vertical relationship with your friend because they deem themselves and their
Starting point is 00:25:45 life and their priorities and their issues above yours. And then do they guilt trip you when you aren't perfectly there for them? Like, are there expectations on you constantly increasing? Because when you are in a vertical relationship with a friend, you then feel like, oh, it almost becomes like codependent, right? Because you're like, wait, but they're going through this. and how now am I going to break the cycle where I'm like, hey, Barbara, like, I got to get some words out, girl. Like, I know now about your fucked up brother in rehab and I feel horrible for you, but I know so much about that.
Starting point is 00:26:21 And I know your sister who married the asshole that now it's turned like verbally abusive, which is horrible. And I know your mother has been hit in the bottle. Horrible. And I know you love your dad, you lucky bitch. And there's so much going on here. But like, do you even know? if I have a sibling and they're like but we're going to get to that listen to me so the other night
Starting point is 00:26:44 and you're like oh my god Barbara Barbara shut the fuck up you're like Barbara I would love to know Barbara do you know my last name Barbara she's like yes only because you're on as my emergency contact like it somehow always flows back to them you're like I'm your emergency contact Barbara like Barbara shut the fuck up it can literally start to drive you insane we're like you feel like oh my god I'm beholden to this person and then they also make you feel like a bad person if you try to impose like any semblance of equality in the relationship and you're like how did I get to this point how did I get to this point where I'm literally just this person's therapist and any time that I try to actually talk about my life they make me feel like I'm a bad person
Starting point is 00:27:27 for trying to talk about myself because their stuff is so much more important to me guys that is not what a friendship should be there are moments when your friend needs to be all consumed and have you listen because at life one friend is going to be way more in it than the other and it ebbs and flows yes but if this is a constant you need to get the fuck out you are craving horizontal friendships equal friendships right horizontal friendships you're able to actually show up authentically for one another because you're not dancing around these power imbalances there's no forcing each other to fit into certain beneficial boxes in each other's lives because the expectations are aligned and a lot of times and this is something
Starting point is 00:28:07 that I wish I could do an episode on, but this is not something really that can be taught, which is most of the problems in the world just come down to self-awareness. And you can't really teach self-awareness. So a lot of times, if you're finding yourself in these dynamics, you can try and you can try and you can try and you can push as much as you want to push to try to get out of it not being an equal dynamic and try to get it to like a fair standing with a friend. But after a few attempts, I hate to admit it. but that probably means that relationship is so molded and grounded in what it is and its patterns.
Starting point is 00:28:40 And also that person is getting exactly what they want out of that relationship that they actually wouldn't be interested in an equal friendship with you. Right? Like it takes knowing both how you want someone to show up for you and what your limits are for someone else. I just, and someone else. Sorry, I just had a list, someone else. And both of those things take the inner work and the reflection to figure that out.
Starting point is 00:29:10 Setting the boundaries are so necessary in order to maintain a horizontal friendship. And it might occasionally end with like being disliked by someone. And you may even lose a friend. But you need to reframe that and realize that this means that your parameters are protecting you from something really unhealthy. like if you lose a friend because they can't handle the friendship being an equal balanced dynamic then yeah then it probably means that it's not serving for you to have that person in your life because guess what it means probably that you're just serving that friend and they're never serving you they're never helping you out they're never giving you the amount of effort
Starting point is 00:29:52 that you're giving them and you being scared to speak up or end the friendship only furthers the point you're in a people pleasing situation where this person sits on top and holds the power. And I know it can be easy to take the loss of a friendship like beyond personally. I get it. Trust me, someone wanting more from you than you can give them. It can feel like you're failing and you're like, but what's wrong and why won't this work? I'm telling you it's not your fault in most situations. So many of these interpersonal dynamics are going to make you feel guilty and scared to do this or that. And a lot of it is because we allow other people's projections of us to affect the way that we view ourselves and therefore interact with people. All of a sudden,
Starting point is 00:30:36 you're like, oh my God, why am I worrying so much about how much this person is going to perceive me and view me? And they're going to think I'm a bad person for finally not answering the 16th fucking call. And they know I'm with my mom in the hospital, but because they're bringing up with their 16th boyfriend, they're thinking that I need to be there for them. And I'm like, you never are here for me. I can't keep doing this. I get it. But if you keep leaning into these dynamics that are vertical that are not equal for you, ultimately it's going to call. your ability to be genuine and that is a whole other topic that the book I'm currently reading also hits on so after I finish it I can do a whole Sunday session about how basically we can
Starting point is 00:31:15 all be better about not taking other people's shit personally that is like I feel like that's literally like the biggest problem in life is we're all like taking everyone's projection on us and then you're over analyzing and you're like oh my God I'm a bad friend, I'm a bad daughter. Half of the time you literally were just like sitting there eating your fucking breakfast and this person is spewing this shit and then you're internalizing all of it and it's like a lot of times it has nothing to do with us. Most of the time, well, no, maybe again, I don't know who I'm speaking to. I don't know who my audience in some corners of the fucking TikTok world or whatever, but like I know that most people, we're trying to
Starting point is 00:31:53 be good friends. We're trying to be good partners. So we will save that deep dive of how to stop people pleasing and just essentially absorbing the world's wants and needs of us and actually living for ourselves in some capacity for another time. But I hope you enjoyed this first little Sunday session of book club. And I'm excited to do more episodes like this. If you guys have obviously any other topics or articles that you're passionate about and you want me to do deep I've on, let me obviously know. But overall, I think to sum up the medium friend thing, It's like, I get that a big conversation that may come from this. It's like, no, Alex, like, why, I just want my close friends.
Starting point is 00:32:35 I'm not saying close friends are not as important. If anything, yes, of course for close friends are more important. I'm just saying that in the chaos of life and how crazy life is with parent dynamics and romantic relationships and close friendships, like we can only be so much to everyone and then also show up for ourselves. And so, yes, there are moments where. having these medium friendships are fucking lovely. And it's kind of a relief to go out.
Starting point is 00:33:04 And I think a lot of times with medium friendships, we can convince ourselves. And this is literally what I did with that one friend. You convince yourselves, but it's not my best friend. So it's like what's, it's not worth it to like spend my time on a relationship like this because whatever,
Starting point is 00:33:20 it's more surface level. And then all of a sudden it's like the biggest fear with your medium friends is the drive there, is the committing to the date. Then once you get there, you're like, oh my God. Like half of the time it also could be like they were just like talking about some shit going on in their life and it made you 10 times feel better about yours because also they're not asking you for your advice because they're sharing how they're handling it because you are not a close enough friend that they're expecting anything of you. They're just sharing it actually is just like kind of fun fodder at a dinner
Starting point is 00:33:46 table of like, yo, guess what my mother-in-law did? And you're like, no fucking way. Guess what mine did? And you're like, bro, cheers. Let's have another martini. It's relaxing. It's like. It's light. And sometimes in the chaos of the world of how crazy everything is right now, it can get to the point where you need that. We've never been more politically, financially, religiously, ethically, gender, all of it divided in this world. And you can have those type of conversations sometimes with really close friends and you can talk politics and all that. Again, it still is painful. But with a medium friend, you're like, babe, even if a medium friend brings it up you're like anyways swerving can't talk politics i'm so burnt out and they'd be like totally because a
Starting point is 00:34:31 medium friend it's not going to push you on that because it's that is what it is it's your pickleball friend it's your pilates friend your core reason for having each other is light it's fun and so i urge all of us not once a week again unless it's literally you guys doing an activity that requires once a week but find time for your medium friends because really what it is is it's more to fill your cup it is anything else. And you both are having a fun little selfish moment of like, I'm here to put on a cute. Also, can we also admit, I feel like with medium friends, you will go a little bit cuter on your outfits. You'll put on some makeup because you're like, oh, this is more of like my surface levely person. Like I want to like impress and have fun. You kidding me? Like with a lot of my girlfriends are like literally I need to like put on my sweat pants. And again, that means I'm so comfortable with those girls. And that is beyond good and fun too. But having both, it's kind of amazing. So I hope that that allowed you guys, the goal of these type of episodes, really it's just for me to hopefully get you guys to think about some fun things. And instead of scrolling on TikTok or Instagram for an hour on your Sunday, hopefully you were just
Starting point is 00:35:45 hanging out and listening to this. And now maybe this will hopefully allow you to reestablish in your life some of your vertical friendships that you're realizing have been draining you. And maybe you need to cut some off, maybe you need to try to reestablish them, and then maybe enjoy some of those people that maybe you haven't made as much of an effort in because you think you would rather just sit home and watch TV and you need to decompress. But really what it is, is you need to go have a good fun girls night and you need to have someone talk to you about what's going on in their life so you can stop fucking sitting in all of the shit that is your own life. It's kind of nice to hear what other fucking people are doing. And also just be like, whoa, how
Starting point is 00:36:22 crazy. Oh my God, I'm so sorry you're dealing with that. And that's the, that's all you have to give. Nothing more, no advice. You just keep drinking, eating, and keep the conversation flowing. It's kind of fun. Try it. Okay. Now that we have all re-evaluated. single relationship in our life and we are really really clued into what the horizontal vertical medium friendships are in our life um let's go to fucking france bitch i'm going to be
Starting point is 00:37:09 answering some questions of the mother fucking week here we go okay hi daddy my fiancee and i have been together six years and are getting married next year he recently landed this amazing new job but now two months in he says he can't do it because he's too stress and he doesn't and he feels underqualified he's always struggled with stress since he's never really had to deal with much growing up now he wants to quit and take an easier job he asked for my input but i didn't really want to hear it i'm very career driven and honestly this is making me question marrying him i know that sounds harsh but i can't help wondering if this is how he'll handle challenges down the line like when we have kids how do I talk to him about this. Okay. I think just, you know, very valid for you to be a little like
Starting point is 00:37:58 shaken on the concept of like, wait, wait, wait, like we were so excited for this job. You got the job. And now you're already wanting to quit the job. Like we what the fuck is going on. What I will say is like having a little bit of empathy because not every single person is going to have the same career driven mentality as you. So I do think like if you're projecting that you're, that you're you want him to be something he's not, that's also just something for you to acknowledge within yourself of like, has he always been this way? Has he never really cared as much about his career? And now for some reason, you're getting closer to the concept of marriage. So it's becoming more apparent to you. Like, maybe you aren't aligned. I think you can't really get mad at him if he's
Starting point is 00:38:39 kind of always been this way. I also think another thing that I wrote down that I was thinking about when you wrote this in is like, you've been with this man for six years, you said. And so you have a sense of like does he often take the easy way out right like i get it this is like one moment with his job but like is he constantly kind of like cutting corners to try to make something as easy as possible and if so that's more on his character that you have been observing for the past six years and i don't think that's going to change right but i also think to be more a little bit like kind to him. Being in the wrong job is so draining and can be so overwhelming for someone and can directly affect your mental health. You can become so unrecognizable to yourself if your job
Starting point is 00:39:30 is so depleting and so anxiety inducing and you feel you're not qualified enough or whatever it is that he's saying. I do think if he is not someone that has shown these characteristics and this is a new thing that you're lacking empathy in, I think you need to look inward and you need to say, why am I not willing to show up for my partner in this moment? Is it because I know this is a quality about him and I'm freaking out because I don't want to marry him or is it because there is something within you that is like wanting him to be a specific way or are you just like, oh wait, I need to recalibrate. Yes, this is fair for him to not want to have this job.
Starting point is 00:40:05 But I get it. Listen, everything gets more heightened when you're thinking about marrying someone because dating the fucking hockey player when I was in college, I was like, oh my god my baby got an f he's so cute like i didn't give a shit i would help him like write his fucking papers i'm like he's so stupid but like okay like wait where's the party tonight i didn't give a fuck that this man could barely read but you know what like he was the hockey player and he was hot and he was fun and that was enough for me at the time then when you started thinking about marriage i'm like love you babe but like no no no no no i need i need i need i need at least at least you to get a d
Starting point is 00:40:44 okay let's start with the d um so i think it's all gauging of like where you're at is also going to amplify a lot of the things start to look a lot crazier when you're like hold on are you gonna raise my child with that mouth and those hands and that brain like i don't know i don't know so fair that you're overthinking it but just recognize within yourself if you're being a little too hard on him um oh mother fucking K. This one is juice, juice, juice. Listen, I don't love when people get cheated on, but like, you know, we love a good caller daddy cheating story. Okay, I need some advice. I went through my boyfriend's phone and discovered he was cheating on me, which I expected since I felt the need to snoop at all. Love the self-awareness. I've already broken up with him,
Starting point is 00:41:30 so don't worry about that. Love this for you, girl. Okay. However, while looking at his phone, I also found out that his friend is cheating on his girlfriend. I'm not super close with her, so I don't think it's my place to tell her, but I do think that she should know. What should I do in the situation? Okay, normally I would be like, it's not your place. Like, don't get involved in other people's shit because half the time a lot of people do know that they're getting cheated on and they don't want to know or if they don't, they're going to find out and like don't get involved. This, though, I don't think you owe absolutely anything to your ex-boyfriend, that little piece of shit. And you definitely don't owe anything to his shitty friends. Because most likely,
Starting point is 00:42:11 they both know they're both cheating and so they're almost like enjoying that they've had this little like thing together and so I do think this is like one of the very few times that I would say you could maybe help this girl and you could slide in with a little hey girly and I think you could kind of go about it by being like I'm not sure you're aware but my boyfriend and I broke up because I found out that he was cheating and I saw some stuff on his phone that I just wanted to flag to you because I saw some texts from your boyfriend that seem concerning. And I just want you to know, like, I am here to give you more information. I also 100% respect if you don't want to know. And I will like never bring this up and I
Starting point is 00:42:56 won't talk to anyone about it. But like, here for you if you want to know. That is being a girl's girl of like being not vindictive enough to be like, I have this horrible thing that like now since I'm fucked over. I'm going to fuck you over too. You're like, no, I want the girl to know that I've got the info. But I also am like, I'll respect it if you're going to stay with this guy. This ain't my fucking relationship. So like let me know what you want to do, Queen. Up to you. Because you made your decision and now let her make hers. Oh my God. Wait, honestly, though, like why do I kind of love it that like you guys can like literally come together and probably become friends from this, right? Like you said, you don't really know her. That's like weirdly a beautiful,
Starting point is 00:43:35 beautiful beginning to a friendship if you're like wait my friend my boyfriend was friends with your friend and we were both getting cheated on baby let's go up for a drink like we got to talk how cathartic to be able to go to a bar with this woman and sit and have a drink and be like tell me everything because you will feel so less alone and because they're like intertangled oh that's a good one okay um i've been dating my boyfriend for about a year everything's been great and i trust him completely but the other week he got super drunk at a golf outing. And when I checked to see if he got home okay, his location was at a strip club. The next morning, I asked why he didn't tell me, since he always tells me what he's doing. And he said he just didn't
Starting point is 00:44:14 think to. He's going to Vegas in a couple weeks for fun, and I don't want to sound crazy, but I feel like I need to address it. I just think it's disrespectful to spend money on a lap dance or even go at all. Am I being irrational? Okay, here's the thing with strip clubs. I think that strip clubs and conversations around places like Vegas and bachelor parties and all that, they definitely need to be discussed in relationships if they're not already just like a casual conversation of being like, I would never do that or I would never do that. And they're both like, oh, cool, like we're on the same page. If it's never been discussed, you do need to kind of set boundaries with these things because it goes as far as some people would consider a lot of this cheating. And so I
Starting point is 00:44:54 think that you need to do this because you are clearly in a serious relationship. And to validate you, it is disrespectful for him to be getting drunk and just going completely. completely AWOL on you. Like that is not it like healthy for a relationship. I would not personally want to be in a relationship where my partner is getting drunk, always out with his boys. And I'm like laying there being like, I wonder where he let's check the, oh my God, he's hat fucking Marty's. That's, that's not even a script club. It'd probably be like Cassandra's. Like that's not, that's not fun. Like, wait, he's at Blue Diamond. Like I'm, what the fuck? And he didn't even tell me like, what? Like, that's crazy because it also insinuates like if you can't be honest of like babe i'm going to strip club
Starting point is 00:45:39 with the guys do you it's he knows the answer if he's not if he's hiding it from you and he shares everything with you he knows the answer that you would be upset so then also why is he doing that he knows he's going to be upsetting his partner so like do you want to be in a relationship with someone that's acting that casually about something that he knows you would not be happy about it you know you'll be upset about it and yet he's still engaging in it that's really fucking shitty so let's pretend this was just a one-off okay he was an idiot he had too many fucking yager bombs he ended up at the strip club oh my god how did he get there idiot but now he's going to Vegas okay so he has a time to write his wrongs and he has a time first of all like
Starting point is 00:46:20 if he made you this upset like him going to Vegas just for boys weekend it seems like it's not no one's birthday it's no one's a fucking bachelor like he's just going to Vegas yeah probably say home fucking jerry okay jerry you've done enough damage okay your dick's been fucking grinded on enough You got your weenie up and down and up and down and flip-flopped over and you're fine, Jerry. You don't need to go to Vegas to do it again and again and go on the fucking merry-go-round. But Jerry wants to, clearly. So you got to have a conversation with Jerry and let him know, baby, I'm not in on this shit. And let me just tell you, sweetie, Vegas.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Oh, it's one big strip club. So what I would say is you need to evaluate, number one, what are your boundaries? What are your boundaries for any? and franny if your boundaries are oh he could get a lap dance he just has to tell me about it boom tell him if your boundaries are you even look at a girl's fucking double-decker and her cheeks we're done boom you know your boundaries franny but you got to know what boundaries are setting before you get mad at him and then he's going to be like okay so what am i allowed to do this fucking dumbass man what am i love to do well for any pull out the fucking list okay do a long scroll be like let me start number
Starting point is 00:47:32 one he's like how many of there they're like 50 there's a list of 50 fucking sit down robbie what was his name again i forget jerry um okay so first you need to make your boundaries obviously and then i would say you need to clearly communicate them before he goes on this trip okay and if any point in time, you have a sick to your stomach feeling. If you feel like you're overly checking your phone, then I am going to help you out on this sweetie and tell you this is not the relationship for you. If you have a partner that when they go to the bar or when they go out or when they're with their boys or when they're wherever and you're like trying to focus and like it's like Lucas Scott and Peyton and you're watching One Tree Hill and you're on episode one because you're
Starting point is 00:48:19 trying to feel something and distract yourself and feel a rush and you're like oh my god it's my favorite show and then you're like constantly checking the phone and then you're like looking at the fucking location and then you're like zooming in on his friends fucking stories and all of a sudden you're like I'm becoming that crazy bitch it's time to go it's time to pack it up and trust me I've been there where you're like I am turning into a monster because guess what he doesn't do this when you're out he doesn't do this when you're out with your friends he doesn't because he's like I don't I know she won't do anything because she's like, I just, or like he doesn't care. You deserve better if you ever have a pit in your stomach.
Starting point is 00:48:57 And it's not just from a moment where then you get clarity and it never happens again. The pit in the stomach, that is your body literally rejecting the situation and being like, we have to get out of here, Franny. Franny, Fannie, pack it up. So, yes, but listen, to be more positive and not a pessimist, I would just say, you got this. You can just say, hey, I know that was a weird one. I really want to set some boundaries because I didn't feel great about it. And I want you to have fun.
Starting point is 00:49:25 But I also, I think that there is like a level of respect that I want you to have for me and me to have for you in this relationship. And so let's get clear on what our boundaries are. And the dream would be if he was like, babe, I don't even need to go to Vegas. Or if he's like, babe, I'm going to go to Vegas. And this is also a dream where he's like, and I promise you any situation that I would 100% obviously know. that you would be like, oh, come on, Jerry. I will not put myself in that situation because I love you and you're my priority. Boom.
Starting point is 00:49:56 Boom. Boom. Then you're good, Franny. You don't have to pack it up. Franny and Jerry are going down the aisle, okay? And then you can have a joint fucking bachelorette and bachelor in Vegas together. Oh, yeah, that's literally my nightmare. Um, okay.
Starting point is 00:50:19 Hey Alex. I am struggling with major mom guilt. About a year ago, my husband and I moved to my hometown and then found out I was pregnant. We just had our baby girl and it's been a hard year. We don't have many friends here. My husband works from home and it's caused tension in our marriage. We realized we'd be happier moving back to his hometown where our friends and support system are. But my mom is taking it so hard. Guilt. tripping me and acting like I'm taking her grandbaby away. We'd only be a couple hours away, but it's making me feel like I'm a terrible daughter for even wanting to go. How do I handle her emotions without losing my sanity? Okay. We're going to get to your mom because one, it's not right for your mom to be guilt-tripping you. Like if it truly is that this is the right thing for you and your family to be doing and moving back to your husband's hometown, then your mom should be supportive of that. And of course, it will be lovely if you guys can find a good cadence to when she can come up and when you guys can, you know, see her. And maybe if you have an extra bedroom, like a two-bedroom
Starting point is 00:51:26 apartment that like maybe she could sleep in or whatever it be or you have a house, whatever, if you have some accommodation that she could come stay once in a while, lovely. But overall, your mom should not be making you feel guilty. Your mom should be like, honey, you're miserable. I'm going to figure this out. You're going to figure this out. Like we've got to get you happy again. My bigger problem, though, in reading this is let's, yeah, let's be done with your mom. because it feels like there's a larger thing going on here for you. When you said that my husband works from home and it's caused tension in our marriage, my fear is that there is something going on with you guys and you are thinking that changing
Starting point is 00:52:04 your environment and your location is going to immediately solve this. And listen, it may be that simple where it's like, no, we're literally just like on top of each other. And we were back in his hometown. He had an office to go to. And so we like had separation and it was much better. or but again like it's it's I get it like actually don't get it I don't have a kid yet so I I've heard from my friends I can imagine the first year is a lot I totally understand that and I empathize
Starting point is 00:52:32 with that I totally empathize with that but I guess I would just say to you try to make sure and this goes to everyone in life and this is like again I'm I need to do this also more in my life like I can't just like preach this and not practice it it's like when there is something larger going on a lot of times we will nitpick these little things of like well if i just quickly change this everything will be good and this will if i just but is there something bigger going on right are you resentful because again i'm literally making this up and i'm not saying this is your situation but just to get thought starters going like are you resentful because your husband is sitting there and he's working and when the baby is crying you're the only one that picks up the baby or you are
Starting point is 00:53:15 not getting enough sleep and then he's at home and he's at home and he's he's not helping or is he helping and you're going through something right like how is your mental health and although he's being so supportive he's smothering and you're trying to just get your identity back after having a child like there are so many dynamics that i can assume come into play when you have a child that all i hear from women is just like there's a complete shift in your identity and in that first year to two years to three years even you have to recalibrate because now all of sudden you're not just Paloma on the block and you're hanging with your girls like you're Paloma the girl on the block but you also have a child and so now your husband um is trying to also either help and be there
Starting point is 00:54:01 for you or maybe he's not so all of these factors I fear you should try to solve and get to the root of it before you head off to his hometown thinking that it's going to solve something because my other worry is maybe it's really nice. having your mom around right and so you're you you could be again guys I'm not even in this I'm just like hypothesizing from the little amount that you wrote in but like maybe your mom is helping you a lot and now the only way that you can find a semblance of a way to just like keep moving and going forward is to kind of be like put it on your mom like oh she's being so this or that but really it's like wait you said that it's been really hard at home and he's been working from home and things have
Starting point is 00:54:45 been tough and you know you guys have caused a lot of tension in your marriage i think let's start with that and then i think let's talk about the move um always handle the bigger issue and i think a lot of times that's easier said than done right again like i'm not perfect and i think sometimes you have to slow yourself down and ask yourself what would the move be solving and is it a bandaid or is it actually logistically this would solve this for you and only paloma my dear will know love you girl i'm sorry that's oh my god dude i can't even imagine having kids like i can because i want them but i'm like that's going to be a whole other chapter of your life and like not making it your whole personality but it also transforming your identity and you're just like
Starting point is 00:55:28 help help okay daddy gang that is it for this week's sunday session i hope that it was helpful and i love you all very much goodbye You know, I'm going to be able to be able to

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