Calm Parenting Podcast - Kids Interrupting? Entitled? Creating Boundaries.
Episode Date: October 26, 2017How do you get your kids to stop interrupting you and acting like they are your peers? How do you handle that teenager who’s become entitled? Kirk’s blunt answers may surprise you (and make you la...ugh). Learn how to create healthy boundaries in your home. Email Casey@CelebrateCalm.com or call 888-506-1871 to get practical help and our free newsletter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Martin, founder of Celebrate Calm, and I wanted to talk
today about boundaries. Like what do you do when that child's always up in your business? Like what
are you guys talking about? Or maybe it's a boundary issue of, let's, you know what, let's
start with this one. I'm going to do three examples. Number one is this. So you've got a 19-year-old
kid, right? This is fresh because I just came from speaking
at a live event in Houston. And this great mom came up, she was like, 19 year old son, he's just,
you know, he's just not stepping up and he's squandering money and he's not being responsible
for himself. And we're just, you know, we're so upset and we're, you know, what do we do with
this kid? And it's interesting because the question almost always begins with the child, but it almost
always ends up being more about us as the parents. See, we all want to get indignant, right? Because
I want to go to this kid, like, you know, we all want to do this thing of like, you know what,
young man, you need to stop being entitled, right? After all we've done for you, we give you,
sacrifice all this and give you all these things. And you won't even work hard. You squander money.
You won't even do well at college.
You know, we're tired of this.
And so we want to go and dump all of our frustration out on him because that would feel really good.
And look, I get it.
This kid is just making excuses.
It's never his fault.
He's always blaming it on a teacher, a boss, someone else.
I get that.
But what struck me when I was talking to this mom is
this isn't really about the kid right now. It's not. The first order of business, if I was working
with his family, is talk to the parents, say, you two as parents have to wrestle with some issues
inside. Why have you continually enabled him? Why do you keep giving him monetary support and other support when he has continually
shown you that he won't take responsibility for himself, right? And so he'll cry and be like,
oh, I'm going to do better. I'm going to try. And he'll cry. Well, why do you allow yourself
to be manipulated, right? Because all the parents won't say like, well, he's just manipulative.
Well, what's your part in that? Because you allow him to manipulate you, right?
So I don't want the talk to be this.
You know, for years, you've manipulated us and taken advantage of us.
We've spent all of our hard-earned money and you squandered it, refusing to take responsibility for yourself.
Well, we're done with this.
See, that sounds kind of nice inside, but it's not really honest.
Because if we're honest, the real talk should be this.
Son, we want to apologize to you.
We've sent the wrong message.
See, we've been sending the message that you're not capable of being successful
and figuring life out by yourself.
See, we keep jumping in and saving you, right?
We keep enabling you.
So we apologize for
bailing you out instead of letting you learn from your mistakes. Because the truth is we've seen you
step up in other circumstances. We've seen you be responsible for other people. And we know you have
to fail and struggle, but we believe that you're capable of fighting through that and making it
work, right? And then you have to step back as a parent. So you've got to look that young man in But we believe that you're capable of fighting through that and making it work.
Right?
And then you have to step back as a parent.
So you've got to look that young man in the eyes and say both with your words and your actions,
we believe you are capable of handling this yourself.
And then you have to do it. And because until you stop paying his expenses and bailing him out, why would he need to be responsible?
He doesn't have to right now because he knows you're going to give in and he knows he's got an easy way out.
And I know why you do it because you love him and you don't want to see him in pain.
But strong willed kids have to learn by touching the hot stove and they have to learn by touching the hot stove, and they have to learn by failing. And as long as he has an
easy way out or a lifeline, he'll never develop the internal resources necessary to be responsible
for himself and to succeed. And so see how that works. It's not just about this situation. It's
about us owning our part in this and having enough respect for our kids.
See, it's a compassion.
I'm not mad at this kid.
See, it's compassion.
I've hurt you by continually bailing you out.
And what I was really saying is you can't handle real life.
And what I really want to say to you is you can.
And now I'm going to give you an opportunity
to face up to it because I'm not bailing you out. And you know why I'm doing that? Because I love
you and I respect you. And I know it's going to be really hard, but you know what's going to happen
at the end of it? You're going to feel so proud of yourself and you're going to have something that
nobody else can give you. And that's called dignity and self-respect because you will fought and clawed and you will
have made your way and it was hard and inside you will have that feeling for
the rest of your life and it will because it will be because you did it
and I'm sorry I didn't give you the opportunity sooner to discover that you
have what it takes. See what I mean? That's beautiful. That's powerful. I love that. So
second, let's transition now. And let's say, here's a common problem with boundaries in our
home. See, when you and I were kids, there were boundaries, right? Our parents
had a separate lives, separate lives than we did. Our parents at times went away on vacation and
left the kids at home with the grandparents. And it was awesome. We had lots of time outside away
from our parents, right? Our parents, some of them drank a lot, so they weren't even that involved.
So there were boundaries and time apart. Nowadays, you know, every single thing your child does wrong, you know, every wrong thought, every wrong attitude, everything they do, because they So imagine this, and look, this could be a single
mom saying this. This could be a mom, but I'm going to put it in terms of a dad saying it. Why?
Because I'm a man, I'm a dad. So imagine dad coming home and saying this, and I come home to
my two daughters and I say, girls, I love my time with you. I love, we play princess and prince,
and we play make-believe, and we do all these fun things together.
I love my time with you.
But I cherish my time with my wife.
One night a week, I'm going to light a candle in the kitchen.
And when that candle is lit in the kitchen, here's what it means.
That means I get 30 minutes of alone time with my wife.
And you two are not invited.
Now, I wasn't being mean. I didn't say, you know what? I hate you. You're ruining my marriage. You're irritating. So you
don't get to eat with us. Now I'm just saying that this is how much of a priority my marriage
and my wife is that I get 30 minutes of alone time and you're not invited. You know why? Because
you're not, because I get some alone time with my wife. You don't get to dominate everything,
right?
And I guarantee you, your kids over time will like seeing this.
In fact, they will love seeing this. And it will make them feel very settled and very comfortable knowing my mom and dad actually want to spend time with each other.
Now, understand in the tone here, it's this as well.
During that 30 minutes, I want undivided attention with my wife,
which means you are not to come near the kitchen. You are not to make a peep. You are not to do
anything. And look, I don't care if you want to feed your kids early. All they eat is mac and
cheese and chicken nuggets anyway. Feed them early. Set them in front of the TV to watch a movie.
Oh, I'll never use a TV as a babysitter. Really? I will. Okay. A 30 minutes of TV or a movie isn't
going to kill your kids. Okay. Three hours of Jerry Springer will, but 30 minutes isn't going
to hurt him. Sit in front of a movie, do something so they can be quiet. I don't care. I just want
that time between you two as a couple, but here's something else in a tone. And this is part of our,
how we do discipline and what we teach with discipline is this. It's got to be firm and even a matter of fact, and let my kids know, girls, I get this
30 minutes with my wife. And I promise you this, you will, if you disturb us, if you interrupt us
even once, you will rue the day you did that. I will be up at 545 on Saturday and Sunday morning.
I'll bang pots and pans in your little ears. I'll be waking you up early and I will be up at 545 on Saturday and Sunday morning. I'll bang pots and pans in your little ears.
I'll be waking you up early and I will interrupt your sleep. And you know what? It sounds a little
harsh and maybe that's a little bit overboard, but not really. You know why? Because here's what
you're really saying. Don't mess with me, right? Don't mess with me. This is how important it is,
is this. If you mess with my time with my wife, I will take away your screen time.
I will take away your sleep time, whatever it is.
Don't mess with me.
Because, look, sometimes we're so sweet and too sweet as parents.
Girls, you know, it's really important for mommies and daddies to have time alone together.
Blah, blah, blah.
They don't care about that.
You know what they need is a little bit of intensity of one of the adults in the home to say,
listen, this time with my wife is really important, and you two are not going to interrupt it.
So play a movie, play downstairs, do whatever you have to do.
But this 30 minutes is my time and our time, and it's really important to us.
And there's something about that that's very settling to kids.
So now, funny part of this is this.
It's only 30 minutes. You know why? Because you don't get to talk about the kids.
And the 30 minutes is going to seem like an eternity because the truth is most of you haven't spent 30 minutes of alone time with your spouse in years.
And, you know, conversation is going to sound like it's going to be awkward.
So, honey, so some crazy weather we've been having lately, huh?
Right?
You're going to sound awkward because you can't talk about the kids.
You've got to talk about each other.
And you've got to act like you're dating again, okay?
And flirt and bring dad, bring home flowers.
And wife, be a little bit flirty.
And maybe wear something, you know, a little bit both. If you look nice for
each other, okay. And flirt with each other and make it fun. Like it used to be. Do you know how
cool that would be for your kids to see instead of you two always snipping each other and not even
talking with each other to see you having fun and laughing with each other. I guarantee you
discipline around the home will change. One, because you have very
subtle kids and the two parents are on the same page. It's an awesome thing. So look, if you're
a single mom, you can do the same thing in a sense of, listen, I need 30 minutes of alone time.
I simply want to eat and I don't want to have to talk or listen because I'm overloaded and I just
want to be by myself and I'm going to put little earbuds in my ears and I'm going to listen to relaxing music. Or you might
have one of your girlfriends come over, right? One of your friends come over and you two just have a
nice dinner and say, listen, I have friends and my friends are important to me and this is important.
So once a week I'm having a friend over and we're going to have a glass of wine or a bottle too.
I'm kidding. You're going to have your glass of wine or a bottle too. I'm kidding.
You're going to have your glass of wine. You're going to have your time and you're going to laugh with your friend and you're going to talk. And guess what? When you get done with dinner,
guess what's going to happen? You're going to be refreshed and you're going to feel like a
better mom and be a better mom because you had that time. Okay. Final example. This is going to
be a short podcast because I'm traveling on the road and I've got to go work out, take a nap, and I've got other stuff to do.
So that sounded kind of jerky, didn't it?
But it's reality.
Look, that's self-care right there.
Listen, I spent three hours with parents this morning.
I'm going to spend three hours tonight.
And then Casey, because he scheduled this wrong, we've got to drive three and a half hours to Frisco, Texas.
We're going to get in at 1 30 in
the morning and then be back to speak tomorrow at 9 AM. So look, part of self-care is I'm going to
do this podcast because I want to help you. And these are awesome ideas. And by the way,
as you listen to them, you'd be like, Oh, he gets our stuff. And there's a selfish reason
because this idea and like a hundreds of like it are on our CDs. And so go to celebrate calm.com.
You'll see, we've got specials on our CDs and buy our CDs because they'll change your home. And you need
to listen to this stuff again and again and again, because it will change your home.
And that's partly why I do it, but I want to help you, but here's the self-care part.
I know I'm really busy on the road. I've got to go get my workout in because that really helps me
because if I don't get my workout in today, I'll be a jerk to parents tonight. And I also have a nap schedule. I'm getting a nap today.
And the reason I take care of myself is it's not selfish. It's selfless because when I take
care of myself, now I'm able to give out to other people in a better way. So moms, dads,
you've got to make yourselves a priority and make your marriage a priority and make your own
self a priority. It actually helps you be a better parent. So here's one of my favorite
examples, kind of a fun one. Many of you have that kid who's always interrupting you, like when
you're with your spouse, right? Like, what are you guys talking about? What are you guys talking
about? You're like, none of your business. You're like, Oh, what's the matter? Don't you,
you don't love me. And sometimes inside you're like, Oh, right now I really don't.
Right. But you love your kids, but they get in up in your business. So one fun thing that I've said to kids before,
and this have fun with this. Let's say it's your daughter doing this. Mom, you can say this.
Hey, listen, we have boundaries in this home. There are boundaries between the parents and
the kids. Listen, if you don't want to do boundaries in our home, teenage girl,
I'm all over that for this week. So here's what we're
going to do tomorrow morning. I'm going to get up and I'm going to get dressed. I'm going to
get dressed kind of like a teenager and I'm going to go to school with you. And I'm even going to
talk to you like you talk in these, in these question marks. And I'm going to go to school
and I'm going to walk down the hall and I'm going to say hi to all your friends. And maybe I'll even
hold your hand and look at lunch. We'll have lunch together and then we'll get on Instagram and we'll share Instagram photos. And then after school, you and
I can text all of your friends because I can't wait to text your friends with you. And she's
going to look at you like you're crazy. And then you can say like, oh, so you do want boundaries
between the parents and kids? Just let me know whether you want boundaries or not, because if
you don't, it works both ways. And then she's going to say, fine, keep your stupid
boundaries. Anyway, it's kind of a fun way of making your point, but it's also a little bit
of an in-your-face way of making your point. And I like analogies and I like doing it that way. So
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Thanks so much. Bye-bye.