Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 006 - Dale Brisby

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

Many have wondered: is Dale Brisby the greatest bull rider to ever live? It's hard to say, but when asked, Dale says, "Rodeo has been my life. I've been going 90 since before the war!" On this episode of The Keep Hammering Collective, we talk about Dale's journey as everyone's favorite cowboy. We learn more about his dad's influence on him, his walk with Christ, and his beef with Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone, whom Dale says, "Ain't no real cowboy."   Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com   Connect with Dale Brisby: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dalebrisby/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEznMeqf035HK2rThyxdH1A Twitter: https://twitter.com/dalebrisby Website: https://dalebrisby.com/   Special thanks to our sponsors. MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ First Light: https://www.firstlight.farm/ Leupold: https://www.leupold.com/ Black Rifle: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Hoyt: https://hoyt.com/ Bass Pro / Cabellas: https://www.basspro.com   Timestamps:  0:00:00 Introduction 0:01:00 Who is Dale Brisby 0:01:44 Dale’s Netflix series - How To Be A Cowboy 0:04:33 What makes the cowboy lifestyle so interesting? 0:06:19 Misconceptions of a cattle rancher 0:08:17 The connection between man, horse, and dogs 0:10:26 Standing out as a cowboy at the 6666 Ranch 0:13:00 Dale’s introduction into the rodeo 0:15:00 Roughstock vs. Time Events 0:17:00 What makes a good roughstocker? 0:22:30 Confidence with preparation is arrogance 0:25:10 Separating the greats from the rest 0:26:09 Buckle Bunnies 0:27:02 The importance of rodeos for a small town 0:29:49 PBR changing the game 0:32:00 J.B. Mauney, The Dragon Slayer 0:36:20 Cam’s preparation for elk hunting 0:38:27 Passion requires work 0:44:03 Being an outliner takes time and work 0:44:54 Dale’s father 0:49:12 How you die matters 0:50:11 The premonition to cherish 0:54:51 Roy Tough 0:56:34 The ripple effect of death 1:00:41 Let’s buck em’ 1:02:20 10 years of videos 1:04:30 Taylor Sheridan and Yellowstone 1:06:40 Respecting where God put you 1:07:48 The importance of faith 1:11:23 Faith from his father 1:14:40 Dale’s future goals 1:20:23 Dale’s Lift, Run, Shoot day 1:25:46 Secret jackedness 1:28:36 Passing of the Hoyt 1:31:12 Romans 5:3-5 1:32:50 Sponsorships

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Welcome. Old son, it's great to be here. At what age did you become a super puncher? Oh, good question. Yeah, that's the ultimate level of cowboys. So you've got cowboys, you've got top ham. ranch managers, and then you got super puncher. Right.

And, you know, I'm going to say around eight-ish. Eight. Eight. You are super punctured eight. It's an ultimate level of cowboy that essentially I have emulated my whole life. Yeah. So you are the standard by all which cowboys are measured. You get me.

Yeah. Okay. Exactly. I mean, that's what I figured. I mean, for those that don't know, which I'm sure there's nobody, you are the guy, every man wants to be in the guy every woman wants to be with i think that goes without saying yes but for those that don't know dale brisbee is uh one of the i think the most famous cowboys of all time right rodeo cowboys i would have to agree with you there yeah yes you have a netflix show and

i'm also the most humble yeah so they go hand in hand for me no i i mean when i think of you i think of humble humility if i had one word to describe you so tell me about the netflix show what what was your hope in starting that and sharing that lifestyle with everyone well um if you'd ask me 10 years ago if i thought i'd have a netflix show i'd have told you yes and uh when they called the first thing i said was it's about time uh but they just wanted a glimpse of not only dale brisbee but they wanted the cowboy lifestyle and really all the network are seem like they're at least right now on the hunt for a cowboy show because that's that's kind of what's cool and um um chris le do had a song has a song it's you know you just can't really

you can't see us from the road and everybody thinks the cowboy way of life has done but it's not you just can't see us from the road well then snapchat over the last few years the internet has shown people this world that um has existed all along right and so that that That was what the Netflix show. It's called How to Be a Cowboy. And I have at rodeo time at the ranch, we have an intern program. And so that show tracks two interns that are working for us still. And they're learning how to ranch and learning how to rodeo.

Yeah, I watched the first episode, I believe, last night. Was that the one where the girl was trying to get on a bull? Yes. And she had hurt her knees. and I thought that was, I have to admit, I must be the only one who didn't know you had a Netflix show until yesterday. But it was great. I mean, it was funny, entertaining TV.

She, I liked her personality. Of course, your buddy's on there too. Seems like I feel late to the party, but I love it. Yes, sir. And she still works for her. She's a killer. There's not a lot of female bull riders. And so she's been inspiration for a lot of,

young girls and and it's not the most popular event for females and it is it's tough on you and and you know in her words listen to her explain it you know a lot of the girls that you do see doing it are kind of more there for attention but you can tell with jordan she's actually passionate and so she works at it and she treats it like a like a true passion and so it's it's it's It's awesome to watch her compete. And then Donnie, he's the other intern in that show that rides Bronx. Yeah. And you just can't fake the buckoffs that happened in that show.

Yeah. Like, you know, there's so much that goes on in the six episodes that was just too real. Like, there's just no faking it. And, but now Donnie's riding Bronx and winning rodeos. Really? He's still at it. Oh, man, that is awesome. What do you think is it about the cowboy lifestyle that is,

I kind of got people's attention now. I think, you know, well, just at first glance, it's pretty interesting to get to do what we do from a top of horse. You know, that's like, you know, the Q&A last night was, it was kind of funny that guy was like, well, do you think you could shoot a bow from a horse? And it's like, well, we do a lot of other things from top horses. You know, you're gathering cows and you're, you know,

you're roping and riding and not to mention, you know, the rodeo events. but that alone, you know, has an adrenaline factor, just an intrigue to it. But there's a romance side of it that where you, you know, you're a shepherd. You know, you're taking care of cattle and you're a provider for not only your family and those around you, but the country, you know, where we would be without ranchers is most of the beef, you know, that's throughout the country is smaller ranches. You know, there are some big, you know, you've got the four-sixes and the king ranch, but most of the beef actually comes from people with less than 50 head.

And so the small town rancher is still a large portion of what provides health and nutrition for the country. Yeah, and that's, I mean, your story, of course, highlights that, but I saw even on Yellowstone they're trying to get in, or not trying to, but they're sharing not only the lifestyle, but then also the cattle ranch. part. And that's kind of transferring over. You mentioned the four-sixes, and I think you've worked there yourself. But they're talking about raising beef and selling it and how that whole process works. And we spoke about that yesterday. But what is it about the cattle industry that you think is misunderstood? Much like the hunting industry, there's a lot of myths. You know, I think a lot of people just

assume that we don't care about animals. And like a true hunter, you know, like, you know, like, you can't go through you can't read your book endure and not see just the passion and love for an animal pouring out of it you know you can't make that stuff up right and that's the way we feel you know like my horse boon he's 20 going to be 23 in april and it'll be a sad day week month year when i have to say goodbye to that that friend of mine and um you know i've got to bond with that horse that's the probably the big myth is that we don't care about animals when it's actually the opposite. Now, I was raised that there is a place for animals, you know, and animals are not more important than humans. Right. Yeah. And that is just, that's in, I believe that with all my heart.

And so you, you, let's say whoever my enemy might be, you know, like just, especially like the world being divided on politics, people joke around, like, which would you choose this person or the dog? Like, I'm going to choose. When it comes down to it, I'm going to choose the person. I'm going to choose the person right you know people are more important than animals and so i have that at my in my foundation however i care about animals i want things to be if i'm going to go hunting i want that to be as humane of a you know harvest as possible yeah and uh that's that's probably the the big myth is that i would argue that we probably care more about animals than most people yeah i mean and think about how amazing that is. You mentioned

dogs and horses, but those animals specifically, how incredible is that bond you have with a dog? And then a horse, you mentioned the things you do on a horse, but the bond you have with Boone for 23 years, but look at what people can do on a horse, you know, from hunting

to obviously herding cattle to checking fences to just, I mean, covering country, I mean, amazing amounts of country. Horses are incredible. those two animals, I think, I don't know, the connection with man has been, it's unbelievable if you think about it. Yes, sir. And this journey that man has with a horse and a dog is, I don't know, what do you think about that when you think of the connections with those animals for you and being a cowboy?

Well, a lot of people might think that it's not necessary to have a horse because there's, And like a four-wheeler or a Polaris or something. Well, and a lot of cows will come to, you shake a feed sack. But when you get on a larger operation, even the smaller ones, there's always one or two cows that won't. Yeah. But those bigger outfits like you honk a horn and it's a big enough pasture, they can't, I mean, they're not going to hear it, number one. And some of them are wild enough. You just have to have a horse.

Yeah. And the jobs I've had in the industry, you can't show up a foot. you have to be on a good horse because we're going to gather these cows. And if it's in Texas, it's got to happen fast because it's going to be 110 degrees by lunch. And so it's not only necessary, but it's mandatory to have a good horse that you're able to get the job done on. Right. And so that that bond that you have with them, it's going to happen no matter what. But it's a fun job. And Yellowstone does a good job of showing the romantic side of it where it's enjoyable on top of necessary. Yeah.

But at its foundation to get everything done efficiently, it's necessary. And that's the thing, you know, this is a for-profit undertaking while a lot of ranchers usually just break even, but you want to get the job done smoothly and efficiently. And that requires horses on most operations. Yeah. What, if you show up to the four sixes to work, what makes you stand out as a cowboy? So, you know, being there, number one is work ethic. If you're lazy, like it will be sniffed out, maybe the first 10, 15, 20 minutes.

Like you're just, you're just, if you're lazy, you're not going to last. You will not get invited back. And they'll take that work ethic and just a humble attitude over. somebody that's maybe a top hand with a rope. So it's not necessarily always the top hand that might get the job. It's somebody that's willing to do every job. Right. So you'll take out the trash. You'll clean up camp. You'll, you know, because when you're in the Brandon pin, everybody wants to be roping. Well, if you're the guy that will, you know, volunteer to flank all day, which is super exhausting on some big soggy calves when you got 300 in a morning to do.

What does that mean to flank all day? So when you brand in the spring, you'll get all the calves in a pen, and whether it's 200 or 400 calves in this pin, two guys will ride in and they'll heal the calf, and they'll dally on their saddle horn and then ride towards the fire. And usually it's at a pretty slow pace,

so it's not like rough. It just kind of lays the calf down. down. We'll drag them over there. You drag them to the fire. And then two guys will hold that calf down. And you hold them in a, there's fundamentals to it. So you can do it a right and a wrong way.

And when you do it the right way, it's less stressful on you. It's not as tough as it sounds holding down a 300 pound calf with two guys. If you do it correctly. And that's flanking them is holding them down. Okay. Yes, sir. And because there's a couple different ways, depending on how the dragger ropes him. Usually if he catches two feet, it's super simple.

Sometimes if he catches one or high on the hawk, it's a lot tougher on your flanking crew. But if you have a good attitude and you're willing to work hard and you just like, oh, bring him anyway, you know, one leg, whatever. And then you just do your best. You get him on a side. And then when the job's done, you smile and you ask for another one. You know, those kind of guys who make it as not only on the four-sixes,

but in the cowboy world in general. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like any other industry. You know, if you've got a good attitude and you work your butt off, you'll get invited back. I see. And you'll be successful. So how did, so you got started in the industry and I guess was it, how, when was you got into rodeoing and how would you work on a ranch before that? Or how did it evolve into where you're at now?

So my dad, when I was born, my dad actually was working on the pitchfork, which it, neighbors the four-sixes like they share a fence and similar incis sizes sixes is a little bigger i think but so we we worked on the the pitchfork and we were at west camp and so i was kind of born into that lifestyle um and we moved away from there and my dad was also a rodeo cowboy and so i grew up you know dreaming of working on the pitchfork one day and if i wasn't doing that then i was rodeo And he did all things rough stock, which is like bareback side of bronc bull riding. He fought bulls and he picked up. And like any, you know, son, oldest son or whatever age son, actually, I wanted to be just like my dad.

Yeah. And so I got on any sort of buck and stock I could as quickly as I was allowed to. How old was that? I mean, we were getting on calves and steers whenever we were little. I got on my first bucking horse and bucking bulls. when I was like a like a sure enough you know bucker when I was 15 okay and uh never really look back and did all the rough stock events like if there's two ends of the arena the buck and shoots are on one end and it's those three rough stock events I talked about

bear back side wrong ball ride and you got your bullfighters you're in pick up men and then the other end of the arena is the timed events are your team ropers calf ropers barrel racers those are all timed events these are the rough stock has scored events so I just I just I just lived on the buck and shoot side of the arena and it's kind of segregated but it's it's also we're all cowboys do do one side look at the other side and kind of like a sideways glance like oh those guys are the i mean there's always riff there's a hierarchy yes there's always riff and you know they've got challenges that we don't we've got challenges that they don't and you know like we just ride in a car and get there and you know like our are the buckingstock's already there they got to hold

their horse. Oh, right. They've got challenges that we don't. We also have doctor bills that they don't have. Well, they might have doctor bills for their horse for their animals. Oh, they do. Yes, vet bills. Yeah, which is running those horses like that, I mean, just sprinting on any animals, tough. So keeping a horse healthy is probably a challenge. And all the time they spend in the trailer. That's the main one. You know, just beating down, you know, going, you know, if people come up here to Pendleton from Texas, that's like 15,600 miles. else. Right. So that alone is kind of the wear and tear on a good rodeo horse. Right. And how old can a

rodeo horse perform do you think? I know Levi Lord is a team roper and I think his horse was 24 at the NFR last year. Wow. And so when you take care of them, they can, you know, and some horses have it in them. Some of them will age different, you know. Yeah. Boone couldn't handle the NFR. I still ranch on him a little, but he's 23 is that's an old horse yeah and is he a quarter horse he is yes yeah okay is that what those guys are using mostly for the roping events as quarter horses because they're fast the the way that a quarter horse is built it's got it's it's it's able to have the agility it needs but but also big enough and strong enough you get into the bucking horses and they're going to be more draft you know they'll be big and yeah soggy you know and so and so the pickup horses

will sometimes be a little bigger so they can get in there and bump up against them. Yeah. It's so fun to watch those rodeos. It's getting me pumped up just describing it. Well, what makes a good rough stalker? I mean, Bronx, bowls. What makes somebody good at that?

So we touched on a little bit yesterday and there's fundamentals to these events. You know, like in Saddle Bronx, for instance. If you get bucked off, you were either not lifting on your Bronc rain or you weren't keeping your shoulders behind your hips. So if you get bucked off,

it was because of one of those two fundamentals. And so, okay, well, let's get on a practice dummy and do that a thousand times a day. All right, well, that's great. Then you get on a bucking horse and the gate's about to open. And we talked about how you say in your book, how the mountain is pure.

Yeah. And it pretty much washes away any trash talk. Well, when that gate opens, it's the same thing because that horse is going to, he's going to fight. And I was talking to a SEAL Team 6 guy. His name's DJ Shipley. And we were behind the shoots at a rodeo.

And he said he had a lot of respect for what we were doing because as a seal, they're clearing houses. And he would go around the corner and he said 90% of the rooms, 95% of the rooms, I would go in were benign. So I googled what benign was. but they would be empty. But he has to be ready for that fight when he goes around the corner

and he's got to execute. So emotions have to be in check. And he said, you guys, every single time you meet that fight and that gate opens in, you have to fight. Matter of fact, if that animal doesn't perform, they give you another one. It's called a rewrite.

So like, you're going to get in a fight. And I never really thought about that, but every bronch I've been on, every bull like since then before I get on I'm on the back of the shoots it reminds me that but to make a long

story long to answer your question like in my mind the ability to execute the fundamentals in that moment is what distinguishes great bronch riders, bull riders

from and that's any pressure situation right but I think in the rough stock it's it's added because you might be coming off an injury or you might have a bad bronch that bucked off a former world champ recently right and that so that and then or it's just a big rodeo for a lot of money but you've got the added danger factor and and that's what i i just crave that moment yeah when that gaito like it's so pure yeah and if you are if you can go there mentally to perform and then when you do it's only

eight seconds, 10 seconds, you still got to fight after the whistle blows. So 15, 20 seconds, like it's such a pure and just, I wish you could experience it. You do. You get it with that when you draw that bow back. You've got to execute. I don't know. There's something about getting on an animal, though, that, I mean, I would think that a lot of people like the idea of it. And then you said when it gets to that moment and that shoots about to open, I'm betting. There's some people who are like, what am I doing? Yes, sir. Just try to, they know they're probably not going to write it.

They're just going to try to not get hurt and just kind of maybe put on a little bit of a show, maybe like a Tim McGraw. What did he stay on for one point? Three four and seven seconds. Bull name fool man, too. I think a lot of people have that attitude just like, I'm going to get on a bowl. And then the elites or the outliers, as I like to say, are the guys who look at it like you and say, no, I'm ready.

this is what I was born to do, and I'm riding this bull. And that's, I think that's exciting. That's, I don't know. I think it sounds great to be a bull rider or whatever. I think doing it is probably a lot different. I've been, for some reason, I've always, I've been in a position where I was always the guy locally that helped people get on their first bull.

Yeah. And exactly what you just said. There's a lot of people that they just expect it to go well and then they get in the shoot and they're on. Because you give up control. You know, like when you're a bullfighter, you're on the ground. When you're a pickup man, you're on your own horse. Even, you know, something like maybe bow hunting. Like you are in control of where you're standing.

But when you're on top of an animal, you're giving up a lot of control. Yeah. And some people, it shakes them. You have to react, right? Because aren't you reacting to the animal's movements? One jump at a time. You can't control. animal and there's no guarantees what they'll do some of them have similar trips each time yeah but there's

just no guarantee and and you can the most subtle thing like animals have leads meaning like they'll right hand left hand type yeah i'm sure you notice it with an elk even like he might be in a right lead or a left lead yeah if they change leads it could just buck you off if you're not ready for it right if you're not executing the fundamentals so you watch film on those bulls then yes yeah but you don't want to watch too much because it might be a different trip right so usually you know it's like you're watching film of the animal but then you're also you might be studying your personal ride or someone else's but um but yeah it's it's such a it's just a pure moment are you ready for it have you been getting ready i did a podcast with a world champ patrick smith the other day and he

said confidence without preparation is arrogance and and when that gate opens we'll see yeah how much you've been preparing. Oh, man. I love challenges like that. That's the true test. You know, life, you can get through life pretty easy without really having too many challenges if you want these days. It's pretty easy.

But the people that face a challenge like that. And the way I look at it is to anybody watching it or somebody who's not built for it or have that talent, it probably just is a blur. But I think about when you watch baseball, and that batters in the box. And he's watching that pitch come in. And he's watching how the ball's spinning. You know, he can pick up what pitch it is.

It's at a slider, fastball curve. And this like in slow motion for them, they can see those threads on the, on the ball. It's probably the same for the elite bull riders is they can, that slows down and they can react to the animal. And obviously not everybody's going to be good at that. Yes, sir. For most people, it's be a blur.

And they end up, you know, hopefully not getting stomped in the head on the ground. but that's where they are pretty quick, I bet. Because eight seconds feels like an eternity. And so it slows down. I remember I was about to win Liberty, Texas, and in the Bronx riding. And I love the rodeo. And I'd been there before and done well in the bull riding, but I was about, and they played,

it was like six seconds in, this horse got to the fence. And the song, I can't feel my face when I'm with you came on, like during the ride. And usually it's more of like in the Bronx ride, and at least, you know, it's kind of like some jock during the actual. They might play it between Bronx, but like during the ride. And I remember thinking like, they don't play this song that often. And this horse changed leads, took a right at the fence and dumped me on my head on the left. But it was just such a like, I remember it like it was yesterday.

I can see the horse. I can see the Bronc rain. I was like, you don't hear this song that often. I had this conversation with myself. Probably know what you're supposed to be focused on. I'm a thousand percent broke that concentration. But I was just... That's not really your fault though.

Right, exactly. Right. Which it never is. I'm going to count that as a ride. Thank you. And actually a 90. Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. You get me. But I was I was tapped off as we like to call it. Like felt good. And I was like, this is going so good. And then I was like, I can't feel my face. I was like, I still think about that night because... And in eight seconds, all this is happening.

That's what's amazing. Yeah. Right. It's, uh, what a special sport. I mean. And the guys that are the greats, the thing that they're able to do is because a lot of guys can find that spot and have a great ride. But being able to do that every single out, every rodeo, when you're sore, when you've gotten an argument with your parents, when the money's on the line, all those things, day and day out when you are consistent, that's when you can start to make a living at it. you build some momentum and now you go to the NFR and then you go the NFL and then you're

world champ. That's what those greats are good at. Yeah. You know, like yourself having harvested, however many, you know, just an incredible amount of bulls like that nobody else does. Well, like you're able to execute fundamentals consistently. Yeah. And that's what that's what delineates the goods from the greats. When you first started, how how heavily weighed in was buckle bunnies and why you want to be good. Did Cowboys think about that, right? Yes, they do. It may be a lot of guys like main focus, you know,

and there's a lot of, you know, pretend bull riders that are pretend bull riders just for the sake of the buckle bunnies, you know, like, and you better believe if I'm out at the bar, I'm going to make sure this buckle here is seen, you know what I mean? They're not going to miss that. Yeah. Those girls are going to miss that thing. When did you win that this year?

I don't know if you can read it, read lady, but most of them can't read. No, I'm just kidding. Buckle bunnies are an important part of rodeo. I don't need them to read me a story. I don't care if they read. I'll do the reading. You just look pretty. You know, the after party of rodeo, you know, all these rodeos, when you go to a town,

that is that towns, maybe it might be their carnival, their stock show, their, you know, But that's their party for the year. Yeah. And so many people, the committee and all those people, they're the backbone of rodeo because they're putting on that event where you're going to make some money and make your living. But each night, you may get started and be at a rodeo on a heavy weekend, start on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

You know, that'd be a full weekend. Usually Thursday through Saturday, but sometimes Wednesday through Sunday. Well, that's five nights of parties when you go to these towns. Right. And so you can see guys get really into the afterlife of the after party of, you know, because they each got a beer tent and they are, you're the celebrity. Right. Just being entered makes you a celebrity in a lot of these towns.

Yeah, I bet. That was never my, I love, I love between the national anthem and the final song. Yeah. That was my, that's what I'm most passionate about. Okay. When I'm, when I'm smelling that arena dirt, that freshly plowed, like, that's what gives me chills. And I'm there for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the,

and the, and I enjoy the hospitality tent and I try to do my, but I mean, I like to chase girls too, but. But, but I was at those rodeos for the, for the, for the, for the actual thrill of getting on a bucking, bucking animal. I don't doubt it. I just know as a, as a fan, you know, That's kind of the big draw, too, is it's like, you know, the Wrangler bus drive me nuts, the girls. It's like, man, it seems like rodeo brings out the cream in the crop for whatever town you're in. It doesn't, it's just any size. It can be a podunk little.

Oh, I thought you're going to say any size of girl. Oh, yeah. Those big girls are good, too. It's good. They make ranklers and big sizes. The larger buckle money. Yeah, they all need love. No, the any size rodeo, you know.

know, like the small town, sometimes the smaller the better. Yeah. Like the big rodeos are great. You know, Houston, Pendleton, Cheyenne, the NFR, those are so fun. But also just the, you know, 500 added little, you know, duck off. We like to call them. Yeah. Duckoffs that, you know, they might have a ferris well in the background.

Those are, that's America, in my opinion. And you could get a tough draw at one of those little ones too, right? I mean, there's probably some ranked animals, bulls, mean horses. is at even small rodeos, I'd guess. These days, there's rank bulls everywhere. Why is that? Because of the PBR. Okay.

So you've got rodeos that are, they're all the events. And then in the 90s, a group of guys started the professional bull riders and, you know, tough heat them in. And a lot of those guys, Cody Lambert, Ty Murray,

a bunch of guys put together the PBR. And it's just exclusive. bull riding and that created kind of a wave of of buck and bull breeders that started really and then now there's also buck and bulls competitions so like the ABBI as an association where bulls can compete against bulls right they might not even have a rider on them they might just have a dummy oh really and so you can win money as a stock contractor oh okay and so through all these little programs the buck and you can go to that $500 added po-dunk little carnival ride, bull ride I'm talking about.

Yeah. They will have some quote-unquote juice cats, as we might call it. Like they'll have some buckers there. Like you better cock your hammer if you're in a bull riding. Juice cat, huh? Anywhere. Sometimes you'll find a stock contractor that will cater to some guys that are coming up and they might have just some duck spinners, which is not a juice cat.

I need a duck spinner. That's what we would give a beginning. Yes. A juice cat. What does that mean? Like a cat? Because it's so wiry or what? Yeah, you would just have to like, I mean, they would have everything.

You know, a lot of, that's not like a common term. There's some board riders out there shaking their head. I heard it like twice one time. Cody Whitney said it. But anyway, like a juice cat would be like, yeah, just a bucker. Oh. Just juicy. Yeah.

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in my success these last few years. Thank you, Lou Pold, for supporting the podcast. They had those big bulls that are athletic, man, that's got to be tough. So with power and being fast, they would call some of those like a dragon. Yeah. That's why they would call J.B. the Dragon Slayer.

Because in the PBR, there's points where you pick your own bull. and some guys would pick bulls according to their level because they wanted to get a qualified ride. Okay. Because, well, J.B. would pick the baddest. Really? Bull. I never really went to PBRs.

I'm always like a rodeo guy because I'm also involved in buckinghorses, but like those pbb... Like J.B. would... He always picked the baddest. And... That's just his personality. That's his personality. Like he wants to ride the...

And his words... when I asked him about that on podcast, he said, nobody remembers 85 point bull rides. And it's the most gangster. I made a little. Most guys would be happy at 85, wouldn't they? Agreed. Especially when at one of those events, most people buck off because all the bulls are.

So if you can average an 85 point, if you get 85 at every rode, you're going to be a world champ. But he's not just trying to just write, you know, get a qualified. He wants to be the best. And so like Bushwacker Put it on the show Bushwacker is arguably one of the rancous bulls of all time

And like he was They say he was written once When he was like real young like a two year old But other than that The only other time was J.B. wrote him Really? But he got on him I think 13 times

Oh my God Because he kept picking him And kept picking him And then finally one time he wrote him I think he was like 94 points But he just he's asking for it Guys don't ask for that. Right.

94, though. And so that's why they call J.B. the Dragon Slayer. Oh, I love it. And that's why we're best friends. I mean, second to you being my best friend. We are best friends. Right, right, right.

So, yeah, is he in Texas? He is. He's your Texas best friend. Right, exactly. That's what it is. He's my bull rider best friend. Oh, okay. Yeah, I see.

You're my bow hunting. Bow hunting training partner. I mean, yeah, no, I'll take that. Did you see that ride that 94? I mean, not live. No, sir. But you saw the tape. If you're in the industry, you've seen the tape and seen the replays of it.

Yeah, he's he's got all kinds of videos out on the internet. Most of them, some of him he doesn't even know about. You know, like he's just, he's a celebrity in our industry. Oh, man, I know. I've watched a video of a couple of videos of him, but he just seems like the ultimate badass. I mean, love his attitude. It's like, if you say gangster, that's what I think when I watch that. He's a Marlboro man and doesn't work out a lick.

Like it, he would, he would be great to have up here, but I don't, I don't know if he would, he says that he goes in a gym and he doesn't see anything. He doesn't see anything that resembles bull riding. But like he's just got this killer mindset and what he does get ready for bull riding is get on bulls. And it must just be a genetic freak. He's built for that. he is built for it I don't think he's a genetic freak

it's a it's a mind thing really it is because we say like I joke Lyle Sanky jokes I stole the joke from him bullriding I think he stole it from Mickey Mantle maybe but bull riding is 90% mental and the rest is in your head right and we talked about it yesterday

I say that unless somebody is maybe out of shape yeah and they're one of my bulls like yeah yours is gonna be you're gonna need to do about 20% physical right but anyway once you do get to a certain level of physical fitness it's all in your head well he's got to be strong though to hang on that bull right well he'll get there by getting on bulls oh i see so like there's a bull route you know like i mean back in the day he would talk about getting on

eight 10 bulls yeah in one practice session i guess it'd be like so for me i get good at killing bulls by killing bulls right i can only do that for one month of the year if i could do it all year man, I'd probably be pretty dang good. Right. So it would be like he's able to ride bulls all year. I can only kill bulls for 30 days. But yeah, so it would be the same philosophy. It's like I do all this training just because I can't go out and kill.

Right. You know, so that makes sense. I mean, there would be no better way to get better than just doing it. And a lot of what you're doing in the, you know, elk hunting, like you're putting yourself in a position to harvest large animals, which means you're going over mountains and everything, which you do that every day for preparation. So you've got that.

And I think probably in elk hunting, you go a lot of places people aren't willing to go. I think they'll go, but I can just be at a better level when I get there. You know, I mean, people could make, I mean, I'm not superhuman. People can go where I go, but they might be at 60% of their best,

and I'm still at 100 because it didn't tax me. So then I can just react and make better decisions just because I feel fresher. I know, I can say I know exactly what you mean because after running the mountain yesterday, you and I went to the bow rack and I was falling apart trying to fling arrows in the bow rack. Wayne was concerned. You did, you did good though. I mean, you shot really well. Wayne, I got to take a break.

I go into the bathroom. and either throw up or the opposite and then come back out, shoot some more arrows. I don't know. I knew I was going to like, I knew I was going to push myself to finish. Like I'm not going to die. I'll have to die on this mountain before I quit

is what I kept telling myself. I'm glad he didn't die. But that didn't mean it didn't tax me. When we got to the bow rack, it hit me. I understand. Yeah, you did good. Wayne was concerned. But I didn't.

I didn't even know. He was like telling me. He's like, yeah, is he doing okay? And I'm like, yeah, what do you mean? He's doing fine. But I could see what you mean. Like, had you and I been in the mountain? Yeah.

Like, and you would have been in, you would have been perfect to draw back on a bull. Whereas I would have been, I'd have drawn back. My little pins would have been moving. That's a difference. That's what people, you know, there's a lot of people who say you don't have to work out to Bow Hunt, which sure you don't.

But you're not going to. beat your best you know i mean so i want to be if i want to be at my best to deliver a perfect arrow i better prepare for that because i just don't want to get there and then screw up the opportunity i want to be able to take advantage every time so that's the point to training for me and that's what i tell my interns like to be honest like i i will tell him straight up like please don't come here and think you're going to be like jb i said if you're not working between bulls like i'm not going to let you get on because it's too dangerous of a sport that if you're out of shape, if you haven't been getting on the drop barrel or, you know,

exercising, stretching, watching video, if you're not doing work between bulls to get better, then I'm not going to just let you keep banging your head against the wall because there's no better. That's what it would be. It's not a wall that you'd be banging your head against the top of a bull's head. Yeah. And that bull's head is going to win.

Yeah. And so you can get better by just getting on bulls. it just takes a lot longer. And so my interns come in there at 22, 23, like your years are numbered. Like 35 is a lot, is an old bull rider. Yeah, the clock's ticking. You know, and if you get married, have kids,

if you're not making money when she shows up, then you're probably not going to be ride bulls very long. Right. Because it's a selfish undertaking. Yeah. And if it's not a source of income, then she's going to probably not, enjoy seeing you go do this dangerous thing right yeah yeah with no return with no ral i exactly

so anyhow there's a lot to consider but essentially like yeah jb is a freak in that sense yeah have you seen like any young guys come up that are that you say are just you look at them and you're like wow these guys are incredible they're going to have great careers have you seen people like that So I took I've got Donnie got really good at riding Bronx really fast and we went on a ski trip and I told these guys they all wanted to snowboard for the first time and I've been going on a ski trip a year my whole life. Yeah. And I started riding, yeah, I started snowboarding in high school. And so I've been on a lot of and I'm finally picking it up, you know, and I tell these guys like, you can snowboard. Just know it's a lot harder than skiing.

So it's going to take you a while to get good. and it's a four-day trip, you're going to use the whole trip, and then next year, like, it's going to take you. So we get up on the mountain, and these three interns of mine that decided to snowboard, day two, like, they're catching up to me and passing me

and, like, just, like, blowing by me. And by the end of the trip, you know, they're just zipping down, and they're falling a little, but, and I realize, like, how little talent I had. And like for the things that I've been passionate about, which snowboarding isn't one of them,

that's just a fun hobby. Right. But I looked at all the things that I've, you know, with rodeo specifically and cowboy and horses, like I've had to work extremely hard. And it made me realize how little talent I have. Oh.

So it's just the time. And so it comes down to the work ethic. Yeah. Like you talked about in your book. Mm-hmm. And there are guys that have. the talent to ride bulls and they can just mentally go there. But I think when they can couple that with the hard work and a good attitude,

that's when they have an opportunity to be great. Yeah. That's what they say is like talent. Usually people that aren't talented or don't have that natural talent end up being better because they work harder because that talent, people get by with that natural talent and they're just used to it. Used to being good at whatever they do. they don't only have to work that hard.

Yes, sir. So the guy who's got to work like you, grind and grind and grind, then you sacrifice more so you want it more, so you're more committed, so you put in the extra work. You could end up passing the person with actually more talent. I've got to, I'll just, he won't mind me saying his name, but one of my interns, Ty Rogers, he's been like that. And he came in and he looked at bull riding as,

and it was interesting to hear him describe it like this, but he's kind of realized he's been looking at it like skydiving, you know, like it's this fun thing you do to get an adrenaline rush but he wasn't and so he's been riding this talent wave because he can ride a duck really well yeah but then like you get something that's just a smidge above that and it'll buck him off and it blows his mind and i was like dude you haven't done anything since the last bull ride to get better right and he's having this realization like oh man like to take it to the next level i've got to add work ethic to my talent and that was was new for me because I'd never had talent.

Like I wasn't going to ride a duck spinner if I wasn't working at it. Right. And so it's crazy watching it develop in his mind and what you just said, I'm witnessing. And he started to work at and he's excited. But on the other hand, there's also a realization that some guys may have that like, hey, I don't know that I want to work that hard at this particular thing in my life. It's not worth that to me. Yeah.

And in rodeo, like, I tell these. guys if that's you you better tell yourself quick because if you if you realize that deep down but then you get on 15 20 more yeah knowing in your soul that it's not what you want to do you're gonna get hurt yeah and maybe seriously right yeah that's a good point the stakes are too high you can play golf for an extra year too knowing you don't want to and it's okay you know nothing bad's gonna happen but not bull ride yeah but yeah there's big big uh stakes there yes sir for not being 100 percent in mentally and physically. Yeah, super interesting. I love, I mean, I love, and that's kind of the study of, like I say, outliers is because it's those people that have that talent coupled with the

work ethic. But then also, as we've learned with a lot of different things, it's just time, time, years, and it takes years. The process. When you look back on it after 20 years and you're like, you know, people might say where you're at now or whatever and say, oh, must be nice to be Dale Brisby to be, you know, this, like, the most famous man in the world. They didn't see all the... Yeah, 10 years of videos. Yeah, 10 years of war. Nobody was probably watching, or I mean, the views were nothing.

Right. So that would bring me back. Like, you started rodeo young. You what, did you see, watch your dad compete to? I did. Yeah. And that was, that was, we got to go to a few rodeos. He just, he, he was terrified of getting old.

and it's it's it's it's hard to see you know but like he he he wanted to go and it's tough because of you know it's rough stock and so whenever you've got a family and kids and and you know it's tough to take off and go to a get on a bucking horse but I remember going to some of the last pro rodeos were Cleburne and Big Spring and getting to go to and then later me getting to go enter those rodeos was surreal but i watched him go to those and and uh he even got on a bucking horse this is unheard of but he he got on a bucking horse at 55 six months before he died wow and he was 67 points and he got second no way he was on cloud nine 55 years old it's unheard of people just don't do that like it's no a news they would like talk about that on the news in the local community

that night if it were. And then six months later when he did pass, he was picking up at a rodeo. And I remember like it was yesterday, but I had this, I think, is a blessing. But God had, I know that the Lord had been warning me that I was going to lose my dad early. And I was going to a separate rodeo.

I always went to that rodeo with him. It was Holodos, but I was going to Paris to a different rodeo, and he was going to Holodos to pick up. And I shook his hand. I can still feel it. in my hand. I can feel his hand in my hand more than I can see his face, but he just talked about, he had said, like, I think I'd make more money if I just stayed

at the house and ranched. And I said, well, I would never ask you to quit because he's 55, you know, and he's still, and he said, I just can't, I just can't quit. And I said, I get it. I'm in your corner. I'm going to do the same thing. And he shook his hand and said, everything's going to be all right. And then when I left there, I cried my eyes out because I knew it was the last time I was going to see him. It was May 1st. 2013 and uh how'd you know i just i don't know i had i just knew i was going to lose my dad early and so for years leading up to that i soaked in every single i was not the young kid that thought his dad didn't know anything i cherished like everything this man said there'd be sometimes

he'd be talking about cows and it'd be just a tuesday night and i would be taking notes i remember taking notes, just him talking about cowcalf and gestation and, you know, talking about all these different things. And I just cherished everything that he said and did. And I see young people like, I was like, man, you better soak it up, you know, because once they're gone, they're gone. And I was standing in the arena and one of my best friends, he was like in the arena with him at that rodeo. He picked up the first guy. And then he just went down with him. And anyway, he called me. And So I left my rodeo. But he was just so terrified of getting old.

And so, and it's crazy. Like we, you know, we went down there and it was days after that that I realized I had not even questioned whether my dad was in heaven or not. Like it was the first, it was the closest I'd come to death. And it was like, oh, man. Like it was as sure as like gravity. You know, like we don't have to address gravity. Right. If I drop something, I know it's going to fall.

I don't have to think gravity is going to pull this to the ground when I drop it. I didn't acknowledge gravity. I didn't even have to acknowledge like where. It was just like that's where he is. And so that was the first time my faith was tested. And thankfully in that moment, and there's been time since then where, but when I think about my faith, I think about my old man. I think I thank the Lord that he gave me that.

I don't know what the definite premonition is, but like that he gave me that you're going to lose your old man early because it made me cherish every moment. And then I thank the Lord for that faith that my dad had instilled in me. But I think we talked about it yesterday, how you die matters. And so that's his legacy. And he passed. And strength and honor was a big thing between he and I.

Like your book, like it was, I had to like set it down and just like look. look around the room and like because you were talking about Roy in there and you were talking about strength and honor and you know the godly man he was and it was just so crazy reading that book and how many similarities there were and him passing doing something he was passionate about and same thing with my old man and both of them taking a little too early in our eyes but but also knowing that it's almost like there are these perfect people and God was like I felt like with my dad I'm sure you didn't feel like this with Roy, but I was like,

I'm going to take you up here before you messed up this perfect thing you got going. Yeah. I think that's a gift that you have that perspective on to know how especially your dad was to you and how you had that feeling that he was going to leave early, gave you that opportunity just to cherish every moment. I think that's, I think you're very, I don't know if you're lucky. I don't know if you're blessed. I don't know how to term it, but you being able to look back on that and not be bitter that your dad died early,

but instead see it as almost a blessing it sounds like because it meant so much to you those time you did have. Because a lot of people would look at that and be mad. Yes, sir. You know, that their dad died at 55, which is young. Yes, sir. Very young, you know, in the grand scheme of things. So for you to have a positive outlook on it or just interpret it positively is that's a blessing. Yes, sir.

I guess I don't really feel like any of us deserve what we've been given. Like I feel like the fact that I'm able to walk, the fact that I'm able to breathe and live and live in this country. And it's like, man, I don't deserve any of this because, you know, Romans 323 says, we've all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Like, I know that better about me than anybody, but I still get these blessings every day. And for a while, I got to thinking that maybe it was like works-based. I was like, man, I'm like, I'm doing something right, you know?

And then I was like, no, no, no, everybody has access to these blessings. And we all have them. And there's some people that have a lot less than others, but they're still. So anyways, I think once I get going down this trail of like, I don't, deserve any of it well then it's like when my dad passed at 55 like man how much of a i'm just glad that we got to live have him in the time that we did yeah and and um and i'm also blessed that he was such a good dad you know and he was and because i was at the funeral home and i don't know the other people's situation during their we were doing the visitation during

another family it was in separate rooms but i was like i felt sense sympathetic to them like thinking like man i hope that their relationship was that with their dad was the same as mine and i begin to feel sorry for them if it wasn't and so there's also that that i got you know the the time i had i remember like just a couple of weeks before my dad died we were practicing i was getting on a bucking horse and when you buck horses it takes like five or six people there's just a lot of part well like we were doing it with just my mom and my dad and so my dad was on the pickup horse opening the gate and my mom was flanking the horse and also slapping him anyways

it was just you don't do that with just two people you need five but I was just soaking up every he was such a cowboy yeah I what's what's his name? Coke Coke C-O-K-E

man I don't know I just I really envy your approach to that and you're just being cognizant of you know what your dad's life meant and what those moments meant. It's just, I'm very envious of that. That's a special thing you have.

And to be able to look at it, as you said, you know, you focus on the positive and the blessings and the time you spent with him and the impact he's had on you. Well, one thing, I appreciate you saying that. And one thing that comes to mind that I have to fall this up with is I would never, like, there's a lot of similarities. and it was crazy the similarities reading your book. But I would never tell someone I know how you feel. I didn't even say that to my brother and sister,

and it's the same dad. Yeah. Because every relationship is so unique. And every person's experiences, even if the relationships are the same, each of those persons' experiences are different. And like where they are in life, I mean. And so I would never say, like, you should think this or that

or like I'm not going to tell somebody the way they need to feel about losing a loved one just because, man, it's, you never know somebody's struggle. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, man, life is tough. Yes, sir. You know, we have to face this. We have to face death.

It's, uh, we cherish in the positives, like our experiences the last couple of days we've had. And that's great, but we are going to face challenges too. And so when you're, when you're on the mountain, though, there's probably not a time you've drawn your bow back that you haven't thought about Roy, huh? Not that I can recall. I mean, he's there. It's a little bit, it was different for me too, because I had put him on a pedestal and thought that, you know, on one hand, I knew that the mountains can win. They can always win. Yes, sir. We are, we're immortal. And, or, I mean, life is precious. I guess is how I want to say it.

We aren't immortal. But I thought he was almost indestructible in some ways because he had taken on every challenge. He had always come out, regardless of what happened, always come out. I was always positive and it always worked out. It always did. And so, you know, when I got the call that he had fallen,

on one hand, I couldn't believe it. Another hand, I was like, well, it was, It was bound to happen because the mounds are dangerous. It's, you know, the hunts that we like to do, there's risk involved. So it was like, I really wrestled with that. And then I wrestled with being also mad that he was only 49 and we had a lot of hunts that we wanted to do. And then I would, it was just kind of confusing because then I would say, well, he went out, you know, we talked about it yesterday, doing what he loved to do in the setting that he loved more than anything. So it was like, man, it was never cut and dry for me.

It was in and so that's why I say I'm envious Um, of your situation, not your situation, but your attitude or just how you were internalizing it. Um, because it seems very healthy. Yes, sir. And, uh, I'm, I mean, I'm happy. I'm happy for you. Well, I felt that that same. So like my dad had told me like twice in a conversation, but once right before he died, like, he was like,

I feel like, I feel like I'm supposed to accomplish something great. and I haven't yet. And he said that verbatim. And he's like, I don't know what it is. But there's just something deep in me, like something, I'm supposed to do something great. And so me driving from Paris to San Antonio, like I was going 90 miles an hour,

kind of punching the steering wheel and the ceiling. And I was like, I know it's supposed to happen soon. Like I was having this conversation with God. Like I know. Before he died? You told me. No, this is the night he died. Oh, okay.

They called me. And they were like, he's gone. I was like, I was like, I knew it was going to happen soon, but like he hadn't done that thing yet. And he was supposed to. And then I began to realize, like, as, you know, my dad would talk about the butterfly effect, the ripple effect, the ripple effect, the ripple effect of his death, you know. And all these people started to come out of the woodwork of people he had affected. And like, I'll still run into people today that he either rodeoed with or he was an ag teacher too.

So he might have ranched with him at the pitchfork. or he taught him an ag and they would tell me stories and it's just like that that's his life and then this cherry on top of him being blessed with this exit doing what he appreciated being horseback at a rodeo like that 55 years like that was the great thing yeah he did it and god was going to put this stamp on it where it made everybody realize like dang this this man was and I got to see it firsthand

because there was a lot with our family where we got spread out and he his his faith pulled us back together where most people would give up on a family people told him to give up anyway there's a that's a whole other book much less a podcast but his faith we would say strength and honor but really it meant faith and loyalty and so when he died it just put a cap on his life that was just like that is the great thing and so now i can't get on the back of the shoots like i was about to get on the other day and my brother walked up right as we about to buck and I'm over the shoot. I'm about to get on.

And this is just at the house. And just having my brother there. And like I crawl down, I get on him. And then I just think about my dad and I get emotional. And I got to get out and start over. And when you see that from the outside, you think, oh, man, this guy's scared. And so that's what it looked like.

But I was just so overcome. Like in that moment, I was doing what I love. I was doing that thing. And I just, that's why that, in your, your podcast with Michael Chandler, y'all talked about the, you know, every guy needs a fight. And you're referring to the book Wild at heart.

And just pursuing that fight brings me closer to my dad than. Like when you got, what did you think about? When you said you thought about your dad, what do you think about? Like he, he would, whenever he would get on a buck and horse, he would pull his hat down like this. And it would crunch his ears down.

Yeah. And like that was, that was him. that was his moment and he would talk about he would talk about going to a place in that moment where your own mother doesn't recognize you and just like that level of fight that you know like this we're talking about bucking orses that DJ Shipley seal team guy like Tanner like they know a real fight with stakes high like military like that stuff is the extreme but like this rodeo is like a version of it for me where it's like a true fight man versus beast and just as a man being able to go there. You get that mindset. And so like I picture my dad. And when I picture those ears down and him over the shoots like I'm over the shoots and then my brother's right there, it just, it man brings, it's just so pure and perfect.

What would he say when it was time to open the gate, the shoot? Buck them. Yeah. Let's buck them. You know, he, all right, boys. Just in a real, you don't want to be too loud. You don't want to be, okay, welcome, you know, because the animals, they're used to that, and they'll anticipate it. And so then they might, before the gate opens, they'll slam or do something.

So it'd be real calm. You know, it would be like, all right, boys, let's buck them. And so, like, sometimes guys just nod, but if they don't see the nod, if I like to say that, but you got to do it like real, real steady. Yeah. Is that what you say too? All right, boys. All right, boys, let's go.

Yeah, yeah. man um i didn't mean to get all that deep on you i wouldn't expect i didn't plan on talking like this oh it's it's good i mean most my life is comedy but this is well i think you know a lot of what you do obviously there's passion and it means something it's like yeah you make you might make jokes out a lot of it but you care this is a lifestyle that you're trying to highlight and share and that's because of your dad you know your dad you know your dad brought you up to cherish what you do with rodeo and with animals and with ranching. And so you're just carrying on that legacy just in your own way.

Yes, sir. And I think it's amazing what you're doing because we're driving, you know, through town or running yesterday and people pulling over at the restaurant. People like, could I get a picture with Dale Brisby? It's like, so I don't know what your what's your dad thought you were going to get to in your life, but I bet he'd be proud right now. He died two months before the first video. Okay.

So we did a lot of prank calls up to that point for three years. I prank called, and he was one of them. Yeah. But the first video happened July 1st, 2013. My buddy Mitch Montgomery posted it for me. And yeah, and so ever since, ever, it's been, this July will be 10 years that we've been making videos. And it all happened kind of. I don't want to say by accident because he posted it on purpose.

But like we were just trying, I just, I've always been in class clown. I like making people laugh. Yeah. And so it came about as like a natural thing. And then we added, I didn't even know how to monetize YouTube videos for like two and a half years. Yeah. Like I was using copyrighted music and we added the money came later. Okay.

So the branding, looking back, we were branding a product without knowing it. Yeah. Like I was saying rodeo time. Building a brand. Yes, or we were building a brand. without knowing it. And then I was like, well, dang, we could just, I could just keep doing this.

And then I'd be able to rodeo more. Yeah. And that's why I did it. And then had a few injuries that back, back surgeries and whatnot, took me out of the game for a couple of years. And I pushed the gas on content. And now that I'm healthy, I've also, you know, got this business that I've built behind me.

And so I'm having to navigate pursuing this selfish dream, but also take care of all these families. Yeah. But it's fun. It's a good problem to have. Yeah, it is. Well, you're doing a great job with it. What do you think your dad would think of where you're at now?

Oh, my gosh. He'd be grinning near to ear. Really? He would love it. He would absolutely love it. He'd be annoying with all the ideas. Every day he'd have 40 ideas of what I should do or film or, but oh, man, he would have been the biggest Cam Haynes fan.

Oh. Because he bow hunted and he was like, you know, I wish he'd have had a little more of your physical fitness desires, you know. He wasn't out of shape, but I mean, I don't know, I don't know what causes heart attacks. It doesn't sound like anybody does, but, I mean, he was a cowboy. He was horseback. He was freaking active when he died, you know, so it's just a freak deal. But no, he'd be excited right now.

Would he? Yeah, he'd probably be excited. You were on Yellowstone? Do you know you were on Yellowstone? Oh, gosh, that was wild. Can you believe that? Yeah, me and Taylor Sheridan. He's my movie best friend.

That's a good one to have. Yes, sir. He's on a role right now. He's doing a lot for the industry. Yeah. You know, and we all appreciate him. What I like about it is it seems like it's real like the horsework out there.

It's like it's legit. And they're kind of, they're educating the viewer at the same time. Right. Because most people don't know what you guys do. 100%. And they're seeing it out there and they're talking about it right. And they're doing it right from.

my perspective. I don't you you might have a different one but it looks like it's like okay this is a lifestyle that's more accurate than what we've seen before showing uh some wrinkles that that add um authenticity to it you bet and i like even just the doctoring up the animals right you know i like he does a good job with you got i mean there's got to be a story there's got to be the drama there's got to be something to keep people interested and so he does a great job of and and that's why he is who he is. I mean, all these movies he's made, you know, the scripts he's written and stories he's written. And so he does a good job like keeping people interested, but then also maintaining the authenticity of the industry. And so, like, he himself is, he's a phenomenal

horseman. And so, like, he plays his character, Travis, you know, you see him horseback. And there's, there's authenticity to that that the industry appreciates. Yeah. So, and that's what I hope to convey. You know, I'm doing it on a smaller scale, but with comedy. And, you know, we did have the Netflix show. And there's, we should find out pretty soon about more episodes coming. But, um, but essentially I want to be an ambassador for my faith and the industry. And, um, I want to be a positive light. You know, I'm sure you get tempted sometimes to jump into politics.

And while I'm not at all ashamed of what I believe, I'm also like, see my, myself as like I said, this happened for me personally, not on accident, but it's so easy for me to point to this was God's plan. And he put me in the category of comedian, cowboy comedian. And so there's issues I like to address, but I'm also here to be that. Yeah. And I want people to take a break from their day. entertain them. Entertain them and it be wholesome and make them feel good

and they escape from those things. There's so much that I would love to just, I mean, like, cancel me. Let me just say these five things that are against, that are not politically correct, cancel me. But I also want to respect where God put me. I'm sure you have those. And maybe there, and to be honest, there will come a day when I do, when I am asked something on a platform and it,

and maybe it does get me canceled. but yeah it's all in god's plan yeah no i understand that um is is that where your faith came from from your dad or where does where does this come from yes sir yes sir it came from my dad and there were also moments you know like i took a i took a religions class in college um i needed an extra credit it wasn't like my my major anything but it was at texas a and m and it was i think the guy was a christian but this was not a biased class like we were studying different religions and so many religions. And so the way the textbook laid it out was it would have, you know, these are their principles, this is their God or gods, this is their what they read,

and then this is their path to salvation. So all these religions, the last thing we studied was their path to salvation. And what I noticed was they, all of them, with the exception of Christianity, had some type of work to it. Like you had to do these things. There's a list. But Christianity was, you had to have faith in Jesus that he was that he's Lord and that faith is what saves you you know and he is the substitute for what we are not and that's what he did on the cross and that made the most sense to me because I I know that I've sinned and if I want to make it to a perfect place which all these religions had some sort of heaven that was perfect okay well it makes sense that imperfect things are not welcome there all right well

we're all imperfect. And so it took Christ, you know, and what he did on the cross, but we can't earn that. And so it took faith in what he did on the cross for us to get to heaven. And that just, it just clicked. From that college class. That was one layer. And then I read this book, Mirr Christianity. It's by C.S. Lewis. He's the one that does the Chronicles of Narnia. Yeah. He's a former atheist. And Mirr Christianity is a book. They call it the book for the unconvinced. And so, because I began to like wonder, like, I'm, you know, I'm not saying I got curious. I'm like, going to throw out the Bible in college, but it's just like, you see all these other

things. Yeah. So I read mere Christianity and it's a former atheist explaining, and he doesn't use a lot of scripture in there, but he explains Christianity and just logically how it makes sense. And I'm not even going to, I'm not going to do it justice by trying to explain it, but it blew my mind. and I sent it to some of my friends that were on the fence and I just couldn't put it down. It was written, you know, 70 years ago, but...

Didn't you send me one? I did. Yeah, thank you. I've sent out probably half a dozen to, like, some of my closest friends and some of the spots you... I know what it did for me in terms of, like, my faith. And that's when you touch on faith in there, I just thought, like, man, he...

Yeah, that letter and that... book meant a lot to me well that's cool i'm i'm glad to hear that i i was hoping at the time you know like i didn't you didn't know who i was and so i didn't want it to be too much but yeah it's one of the nicest letters i've ever got well that it just it was such a divine thing me reading that book like it just wasn't like i've read a lot of books this last year and that one was just it was just it wasn't random like i don't believe in like coincidences and anyway that one was there's no way that was a coincidence yeah and so anyhow that's why you know i've been a i was a cam haines fan before that but then the book just kind of helped

take it to another level so um well thank you um yeah it's it's weird that a lot of times faith from the kids faith is from the mother a lot of times i don't know if it's because um dads are working they're busy they don't have to time moms have more time maybe to read the Bible i don't know but it feels like a lot of that influence comes from the mother to their kids yes sir you say it came from your dad yes sir okay and maybe it was maybe the way he was raised you know my mom was raised uh my mom was the the black she's where i get the humor side of you know like golly it's funny all the ways she would make jokes about my own man and try to make him uncomfortable.

Like she would make, you know, like inappropriate jokes about there. Anyway, but like she's just always, she's a goober, but she was like the black sheep. And she liked to drink a little when we were younger. And she had a little bit of a good time. And my dad was just always kind of the rock that brought us all back to, you know, the plum bob, as Wayne was saying yesterday.

Yeah. And so, yeah, she's a believer. And, you know, she did. have some times in our life where she was, you know, enjoying it a little too much, but now she's leading Bible studies. Okay. You know, like she's a strong Christian and always has been. Um, but my, my dad was undoubtedly just the rock that all of our, my family's faith was built on. And, uh, and my mom would agree with me there. Like, he was just, looking back, like he was just a perfect man. And he had flaws. He was, he also had sins, obviously, but just,

he he he's the kind of man that i hope i am for this country for my family you know like he kind of like how jordan peterson i think you guys have referenced it somebody that's a dangerous man but able to be in control and maybe that's where him pulling his hat down and crunching his ears like that was the epitome of that for me yeah seeing that right but but i know a lot of families where exactly what you just said like the yeah the mom was like like They could quote the scripture and they could, and then, and, but I think both are great. Yeah, obviously. Yeah, two working towards the same goal would be the best situation.

Like you and Tracy, like, anyway, I'm a fan of you and your wife. Like seeing her and you next to each other seems like I'm just, I'm just a fan, so I don't want to speak on something. I don't know a lot about. She's better than me on as far as that goes. It's just I do my best. I can get better. She's definitely leading the charge on that. And I'm trying to learn and catch up and do the right thing

and make good decisions. And yeah, I'm definitely, I have many flaws, but trying every day, trying my best. But yeah, thank you for saying that. She's been great. I wouldn't be the person. I am or in this position without support from my wife for sure. Yes, sir.

What's your, so what's your goal for Dale Brisbane Incorporated? I mean, where's this thing going? Yes, sir. We see what you're doing now and it's just having this huge impact and it's fun and exciting and people love it. What's your vision? I took the guys, took all the interns to a ranch recently, the R.A. Brown Ranch, and it's just kind of like taking all these interns, I have nine,

and on a field trip, so to speak, where they see another working ranch. And Donnell Brown, the man that owns it and runs it, he went around the group and he asked everybody what their five-year plan was. And it got to me, I had not been asked that recently. Right. And I said, to be honest,

if I'm doing exactly what I'm doing today in five years, that will be a success. and I love the thing that drives my business is the part that I enjoy which is making the videos, making the content, making skits or vlogs or podcasts. I enjoy being a class clown,

goober. We just turn on a camera now. And then on the entrepreneurial side of things, we didn't have a lot of money growing up. We weren't the poorest people in town. People had less. but we didn't have a lot. And so I think I have this fear of being poor. And so that drives me on the business side.

But the thing that makes that possible is this other thing I love, which is the branding. And so I think that's why, and the way we came about the branding was authentic, so I'm not doing it for the money. And I believe that God has just put all these things in my life for it. to, so to be honest, I just want to keep building. And we're talking about how each podcast is a brick, a Netflix show is a brick.

And some bricks are bigger than others, but I'm just one brick at a time every day, every Snapchat real. And, you know, Lord willing, I'm still doing this same thing. I mean, like, we've both been saying that this whole trip, like, we love this life. Like, how awesome is it that this is our job? Yeah, it's true. I have not taken one day for granted. But I had a guy stopped by.

He was an ag teacher. And he was like, what are you going to do if all this ends? And first of all, I said, well, what are you going to do if your job ends? You know, I was like, my dad was an ag teacher. Like the superintendent of walking in, fire you tomorrow. Yeah. But a lot of people don't know how at peace I was with my job before this, which was just cowboying. And that's the happiest I've ever been.

I was working for my brother-in-law. he was raising yearlands and so I was doctoring yearlands and then day working and like if I had to go back to that like I don't know what does that pay a good day working job is 125 a day sometimes one now it's kind of come up inflation so everybody's getting paid about 150 a day but you bring your own truck you pay for your own diesel your contract labor you got your own horses and now I have all those things and so I guess I could go back to day working and just like have better horses than I did. Yeah.

You know, but no, I love doing what I do and I just want to, I just want to keep making, and hopefully another big brick like, you know, a Netflix style show comes along,

but if it doesn't, then I'll survive. I think, you know, cost of living where I live in Texas is pretty cheap. Is it? What's been your most selling t-shirt?

You ain't no cowboy? Oh, I got a rodeo-time shirt that is pretty, it's, yeah. So that my apparel, that's the main source of revenue for us. And so that's what I love doing is growing the apparel company, Rodeo Town.

You make more than 150 a day doing that? I make more than 150 a day. So I get to pay people. So 150 a day. And now you've got sponsors yourself. Right. Melanops hoodie. You're out there living the Mountain Ops life.

There's a few. I've only got a few sponsors. I get contacted a lot. but I keep it kind of at a minimum because I want them to be like super authentic. Yeah. And I've always been passionate about my health, not on a Cam Haynes level.

I'm getting there, but not on a Cam Haynes level. You're doing great. So the partnership with Mountain Ops was, that was a no-brainer for me. I mean, I was already taking this stuff whenever the opportunity came about. So I think that's also, you know, American Hats, total feeds like these are all products I'm using

and then the relationship happens. in which I think is authentic, you know. And so, but Mount, Mount Ops is, they're a wonderful company and they kept me going. You need to get Craig Jackson on there. Hey, hey, Truitt. Where's my, where's my sponsorship?

That was so awesome. It was part of the Q&A we did last night. We made a prank call to Truitt, my son, who was from Mountedops. And Dale was Craig Jackson. Yeah, great. For his sponsorship. That's back to me.

my OG, like, prank phone call days. Yeah, Craig, he's a good dude, you know. That Instagram got canceled on him and they're just soft on Instagram. They don't like seeing shirtless men, you know, do chin-ups. True, it's going to get me hooked up. Yeah, definitely. He sounded like the guaranteed deal, $5,000 a month even. Yeah, I mean, it's an honest, you know, $60,000.

Yeah, that was great, man. So much fun with you. So what has stood out from you on this trip? So what I love doing, I love bringing people who I look up to or follow or get entertained by with you or I see you as an outlier in this entertainment field that you're like one. I don't know of any, there probably are some cowboys that are out doing maybe entertaining things, but none that I know of. So to me, you're the outlier in that field. how has this experience been to you for you coming in here

lift, run, shoot, Bo rack. Well, first, like yesterday, I had like deja vu. We were driving. I was like, oh, wait, you run on this road.

And so like, it's been surreal to get to see, you know, the monument up close and the rock that says pojur on it up close and this room.

And so that part was just as a fan, you know, what do they call it, fan girl. And, you know, that part. was cool but also I wanted to stretch myself physically I wanted to be a part of that and I

know there were times yesterday where you were babysitting me but also like it it's it's just hard work it's there's not like this you're not like a magician mm-hmm you just work really hard and so it gave me hope seeing that like okay I've just got to turn up the work ethic a little in the mornings and that's possible And so that was neat. And then something that I didn't, I mean, I didn't think it wasn't going to be a thing, but like the production that you guys and the thought you put behind everything is sometimes it just, from the outside looking in, things just seem like they come, not that they come easy,

but that it's just simple. You know, you just put up a podcast. And I've struggled to have good production, but like you guys, are just like you work so hard at getting everything right. And that has stretched me and challenged me as a creator. Not to mention just get, I shot a bow like a little in college just because my dad did and I wanted to get back to that. But I never took it serious.

And so it was awesome. And then he passed. And so I couldn't ask him anything about bow hunting. Not that he was on your level. but and so that was awesome to get to learn the right way yeah and that's important i think no matter what you're doing especially like rodeo like right because there's a lot of people out there that will say they're experts and and there's no checks on it with this industry you know like people can just claim that yeah and uh so that was cool to get i want to start laying a foundation

for that because I've hunted with a rifle and I think that probably every hunter that hunters hunts with a rifle will probably like deep down agree with this even though they may never actually but like there's something superior about being able to kill an animal with a bow and my excuse for using a rifle was I had not put in the work with a bow right and I didn't want to like just cripple a deer you know yeah which is a good excuse. except for the fact it's because I was being lazy and not what you know what I mean yeah so there's that part of it well there is a lot of time challenges for everybody you know trying to pay the bills and do things so I understand if people might not have the dedication of time to be an ethical bowhunter but I understand totally understand what you're saying the one form of like I don't know if you call it hunting or fishing that I thought you might super enjoy have you ever thought about noodling Oh yeah, I have, yeah.

Do you follow Hannah Barron? Yeah, of course. Yeah, I just saw her at the Hunt Expo in Utah. She's her and her dad. You would love Jeff Barron. Yeah, I met him. You did. Okay, good.

He had the sleeves cut off on his shirt. That's what Cam Haynes and Jeff Barron is the greatest combination ever. But reaching down in those holes and those big old fish. Because you didn't did that with them. Oh, yeah. We go every summer. Oh, okay. It's like my, that's my hunting trip right now.

Yeah. It looks fun. And she's a Mountain Offs girl. Yeah. But it is such a rush. Man, you got to try it someday. Yeah. I was impressed.

She killed a bull this year with her bow. She, was it with a bow? Yeah, she worked her butt off. I mean, it took, I think she had to extend her trip a couple days and finally got an arrow in a bowl and got it killed. Didn't she go with Trump? Not Donald, the son. Oh, a rifle hunt? Maybe that was a rifle hunt.

I didn't know. But she went with Donald Trump. Junior. Yeah, she was with Rihanna on the bow hunt. Okay. Cool. I didn't realize she did that with a bow. Yeah. She may have killed another bull, maybe with Christy Lee Cook and Donald Trump. I believe that. I remember seeing that trip, but I know Rihanna and her were in Idaho and they killed. I remember seeing the picture of her with the bull with Rihanna, but sometimes the thing about pictures of Hannah is you kind of get locked in on Hannah. She's not bad to look at. Yeah. Yeah. So there might have been a bowl there. I don't know. It might have been a bow there. Maybe just her. with a bow, I don't know. Yeah, another ex-girlfriend of mine.

But, no, I could see you reaching down into a catfish hole. That would be awesome. No, it looks fun. I mean, I like that people, I think their teeth kind of cut up the arms and stuff. Sometimes there's blood and that's kind of cool. Yeah, I mean, so to your point about pushing yourself, all I know is that when we were starting off running yesterday, I was like, this guy can run. So I don't know if you want to say you were pushed, but you were like a great pace.

And then you got in the gym here and are jacked. It's like, I don't know you wear some big hoodie, but you got some sneaky muscles under there. Because when we got the pump going on the bench yesterday, it's like you're definitely jacked. So I don't know what you're talking about as far as being pushed, but you look like you put in the work. And then also, I'm just going to have to say it, you set the record on the balloon pop 90 yards. because you go 90 with everything. Oh, so bold riding, bucking horses,

and shooting the bow, right? I was so pumped to get that 90-yard shot. And it took forever. It felt like it took like six seconds of flight time. I was like, I think I missed. Pop, we hit it. We were looking for where that arrow was going to go and then here it comes.

Boom. That was so cool. You know, and I saw Natalie get jacked when she shot it. I can't. Did she get, yeah, I think she did. Yeah. Yeah, matter of fact, it was thinking like, I was thinking like, oh, man, I hope I have that same energy. And it's just popping that balloon at 90 yards.

It was awesome. I didn't have to fake anything. No, we were jumping around and hugging. We were like rocking Apollo on the beach. We just needed a little short shorts. I cannot wait to have that feeling with, for me, the next animal I think would be a pig. They're pretty big nuisance. Yeah, with the bow.

Oh, man. I can't wait to see it. I see them a lot on my run in the morning, so I might just take my bow with me. Those are perfect bow hunting animals because they can't see very well. Yes. You know, so you get the wind right, get in there, get into bow range. Of course, it's a big old boar hog. Stay away from that shield.

I do sometimes keep a gun on me on those runs. And like that, I mean, like, I've been as close as like this table to a pick on my runs. That's bow range. It does not. It just happens often. And so like I really think. Yeah. But I almost said, I don't know if I'd want to run with a bow,

but you carry, we carried a 72 pound rock up this mountain. Yeah. A four pound bow probably won't hurt us. Yeah. See, that's why we train. So that's the whole philosophy behind train hard, hunt easy. We train with a rock, 72 pound rock, so then that bow is easy. Yes.

So that's a whole point to it. Well, on your bow hunt, you're going to need a bow, and that's what we have right here. I saw this and I was wondering like... Look at this thing. This is your keep hammering. This is the top of the line Hoyt right here. Oh, my gosh. Check out that bow.

It's so light and perfect. The Ventum Pro 30. This is amazing. Yeah, that'll spank them right there. I've given, oh, I've given a few gifts, but none of them have been like, this to like my podcast guests none of them have been bow worthy and look at this see how it's all black you know what we call that murdered out murdered out because it's a bow murdered out i actually didn't notice this right here saying keep hammering yeah yeah that's bad to the bone that's your bow you shot it

amazing yesterday um it's i got something for you though you do so i was i was uh i was studying i watched every keep hammering collective podcast that came out. All right. When they came out. And I was like, I think he might be going to give me a bow. But I wasn't expecting it. I was like, maybe he might not though, too. So don't get.

And so anyways, a few, there's only about a dozen of these and my closest friends have them. Oh, man. It's not worth, there's one of my hairs on it. Yeah. Monetarily, it's not worth as much as this bow for sure. That is cool. Tell me what this means to you.

Well, so that. That one is the first one. My brother just got into silver work. So this one was made by a friend that passed Rick McCumber. But that one there, my brother made. Okay. So it means a lot for that. But the reason why I give them to my closest friends,

it's just that faith that my dad instilled in me, you know, for some reason, you know, down there in Texas, we get a lot of red-tail hawks. and that was always something special to me, just seeing those. It was just kind of like a hopeful moment, you know, not that, and getting to see those, but to tell you the truth, I haven't been able to really verbalize all the ways that this wing, you know, means to me. But like it's just a, I guess it's a lot like that scripture we talked about yesterday.

Yesterday I was getting nervous about the run. And so I got on the Bible app and the verse of the day. It was Romans 5, 3 and 5, and it said, rejoice in suffering. Suffering produces endurance. Endurance produces character. Character produces hope, which comes from Jesus Christ. And anyways, I guess that line of things that happened in my life, this little wing gives me hope. Yeah.

And my brother actually gave me the first one, and then I had it remade by Rick, and then he remade it again now that he's into silverwork. come full circle. Oh, wow. You don't wear necklaces, but it would maybe a cool keychain or something. This means a lot to me. Thank you. Thank you.

Just knowing that story and why it's important to you, of course, makes it important to me also. Yes, sir. We're on this journey together. We're here to be, we live this life to be here for each other and help elevate each other and support. And because this is so meaningful to you, it's likewise meaningful to me. mean. I really thank you. Well, I appreciate it. And I wore two of them. You probably heard it jangling. The audio guys

probably hated it yesterday, but I wore it yesterday on the mountain. It was just the easy way to transport it. And so it's the one Dale Brisby wore on Mount Pitska while we were. Thank you, brother. Yes, sir. Thank you for the bow. And thank you for this opportunity. It's been been my pleasure. Can't wait to share this discussion with everybody and share the lift, run, shoot with everybody. You've been. everything and I hope you'd be thank you very much. Dale, yeah. Thank you, sir. Pao, pal.

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