Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 008 - Cowboy Cerrone

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

Donald “Cowboy” Cerrone, a UFC legend, actor, and all-round badass is know for his fighting attitude of, “anyone, anytime, anywhere.” His unfiltered approach to life and speaking his mind has led to unrivaled respect in the fight business and his show-stopping striking made him a fan favorite.  Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com   Follow Cowboy Cerrone: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cowboycerrone YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BMFRanch Twitter: https://twitter.com/Cowboycerrone Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DonaldCowboyCerrone Website: https://www.bmfranch.com   Special thanks to our sponsors.  MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/  Use code KEEPHAMMERING for a free BCAA when you purchase $75 or more First Light: https://www.firstlight.farm/ Use Code Cam15 for 15% off your first order Leupold: https://www.leupold.com/  Black Rifle: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/  Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv Bass Pro / Cabellas: https://www.basspro.com   Timestamps: 0:00:00 Introduction 0:00:32 What’s the meter of becoming a legend? 0:01:54 Any time, anywhere mindset 0:04:50 Running in slippers 0:07:22 Are you really the guy? 0:09:00 Give a mouse a cookie 0:10:50 The middle class 0:13:00 Cowboy’s upbringing 0:16:38 Cerrone’s kid’s camp 0:18:39 Traveling the world 0:20:17 Early fight career 0:21:35 Balancing roofing and kickboxing 0:25:40 Shift in training 0:30:30 When you say you’re going to do something, fucking do it 0:32:00 Jackson’s 0:33:00 Did I work hard enough? 0:33:50 Fight week taxation and flow state 0:39:39 Do you miss it? 0:41:30 The ups and downs of fight week 0:46:30 Movie star 0:51:09 Mark Wahlberg 0:53:27 Shootin’ bows 0:54:50 The Brisby Rivalry 0:55:39 Raising boys 1:01:00 Life is competition 1:04:07 Death is a part of life 1:09:48 Elk hunting with Cam 1:10:01 What do you learn about yourself making movies? 1:13:00 Huger dick 1:13:32 Why is Dale Brisby’s hair better than yours? 1:14:13 Are you ready to get whooped by Dale? 1:15:05 What makes a champion? 1:18:35 Any time, anywhere 1:21:55 Turning fight mode off 1:24:00 Hoyt passing 1:25:10 Sponsorships

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I don't know. I don't know what it takes. What's the meter of becoming a legend? Well, I put up a Q&A for you. and one of the responses was, no question, just thank you for the memories. You're a fucking legend.

So that was from the public. Okay. The public thinks you're a legend. All right. I appreciate it. I feel like a regular guy. It's weird when I go to the gas station or to the mall and Vegas,

and be like, oh my God, can I get a picture? I'm like, yeah, of course. Yeah, why wouldn't I? You know? And my wife always asked, are you ever get tired of that? I said, no, because one day they won't ask anymore. Right.

Yeah. One day they won't ask, so I'm relishing it why I can. Well, I mean, you are unmistakable. You were the face of the UFC and just anytime, anywhere, that mindset for years. Right. And like the guy who said, thank you for the memories. That's how I feel, too. Because, dude, anytime it was going to be a cowboy fight, it was going to be something to watch.

That was my whole, like my mantra when everyone ever would ask, what are you, what's your plan? I said, man, I don't care. I just want to know when they announced a cowboy fight, I want something like, oh, Cal, we got to go to a bar. We got to go to anywhere we can. We got to sit down and watch it because my man's going. He's throwing down. Win or lose, he's bringing it.

And that was kind of what I always wanted my legacy to be. Well, how did that mindset start? I mean, did you always have it? Or how were you growing up? I don't have a rough growing up. I'm from a wealthy family. My grandparents are doctors. and I just, I don't know.

I wish I had like, I was born in the streets and I had to, you know, I said, I don't. I don't have that. I just fell in love with the sport and would just fight as a kid all the time. My buddy asked me to try kickbox and I fell in love with it and MMA got big and I kind of jumped on that train and started fighting and fell in love it. But the worth that dick is what I think is the most important. And that was taught to me by my grandparents because they own their own practice. And she would work. She would raise all those grandkids and she would work 80 hours a week.

I mean, talk about a hardworking lady. And she would just teach me all the ways of life growing up and what to do and what not to do. And I have like this way of life of things don't bother me ever. Like people are always concerned, like if I already let you use my truck and like, you're not worried he's going to hurt it. Or I'd let you use my snowmobile. And she'd always put it in like kind of a way of thinking for me.

Like if you came back and you, let's say you totally and destroyed it. And my first question would be, are you okay? Like, are you all right? Yeah. I can replace a snowmobile like that. Right. You know, and then she would tell me like, okay, so he did get hurt, but that's way worse than anything that ever happened with a machine that's something to replace, you know. Or when you talk, when she talks about people having it saying they have it bad, like, man, there's kids that are dying of cancer that are two years old and you have a runny nose or you're not feeling good today.

And she'd always just kind of check me and put. me in perspective of what really bad is. And that's kind of how I always base my life. And the same thing was like working hard. Like she would always tell me when I would do something like, if you say you're going to do it, you do it. Right. Don't there.

Don't half ass it. Right. You do it. So if you say you're going to be there, Cowboy, you be. And Cowboys are in my name. Like it's so weird to hear people call me Donald. You know, like even my kids, Cowboy. And what's really cool, I'll get sidetracked, but USC made action figures to me.

Yeah. It's really cool to see my kids. kids having daddy beat up all the other superheroes. Oh, my, I guess. But just, yeah, worth it. Whenever we start a project, we do it and we work hard. And my friends can't ever keep up with me. They actually hang out with me in shifts because they can't keep the pace that I play at and have fun at and work at.

So, yeah, it's just, I don't know. It's just worth it, I think. Well, I mean, I saw it firsthand because you came in here. I think you were kind of playing possum a little bit on the run. And, like, you didn't want to do this. this or like you didn't say you didn't want to but right it was like you know we talked about chanler doing a marathon and you're like i don't i don't think it was that so i didn't know how the run was going to go and then you you talk about work ethic you killed it i mean these

people were having a hard time keeping up with you and you were in your slippers yes i didn't bring uh running shoes so i was in slippers and uh my not making excuses but my groin is i have to go surgery on my groin because i pulled it off the bone and uh snowmobile and playing. Yeah. Yeah. And so it hurts. It's pretty sore today. I will, I ate a handful of ibuprofen. I don't know how much that is, but whatever a handful equals, that's about the correct amount. Well, I mean, I would hate to see it 100% if that was a chink in your armor with a torn up groin, and you just crush that hill. So I can, I got a glimpse into what makes Cowboy Cowboy right there. Like I said, I wish I was trained

Because you were talking on the drive over there You have a personal best Now 10 years ago You would have tricked me with that You would have had me You would have tried to beat it I would have tried to at least get to it for sure Yeah

Yeah But today I'm like Let's just I said I'm going to do it We're going to do it And that's what I was telling Dale On the way up we were talking

And which was cool that Dale stayed back Yeah to play But when we were walking up Like You're not tired And I was like, well, I told him I'm going to do it. And that's goddamn I got to do it. Yeah.

Because at the end of the day you, it's funny to me to hear all these people on social media, these great quotes that they Google and they put up on their thing. And it's really easy for someone to sit at home and put up a message, right? Yeah. But to actually like do it is a totally different song. Yeah. Yeah. So it's funny to me to see these guys that promote just greatness and how they want to be that person

and fake their life until they're that person, right? And sometimes if you fake it long enough, you find it. Yeah, right. So I'm not totally mad at it. I'm like, keep preaching it, preach it, preach it, preach it, preach it, preach it. You keep preaching it long enough you might, you might become a piece of that guy you're trying to be. But it's a lot of hard. You know, I mean, like you said, you run 250 miles.

Like there, you couldn't fucking make me do that. You know what I mean? You can do it. Yeah. It's just a mindset. I get what you're saying about guys who they want to shortcut. They want to get to like, hey, look at me. I'm this leader.

I'm setting the tone. It's like, well, no, your work isn't showing that. And there is a lot of online experts out there. Total experts. They know they want to post the quote and be this to take a picture in the gym. But are you really the guy in the gym? Are you really the guy when it's freezing cold outside? You don't care.

You put your be on anyways in the blizzard and you still go run. And you still get it before you have to be to work. and you got to take care of your kids and pack the lunch for your boys, drop off at the school bus. Did you get up at 3 a.m. Go do all that before you got the ready before you go and work your 12 hour day and then go home and do everything needs to be done before you go to bed. Are you that guy or you're the guy that doesn't really work?

You're living in your mom's basement. All the thing you have to do today is go to the gym. So you make it look easy on social media. Like, is that you or are you the real guy? Right. Are you the motherfucker? Right. Most people aren't.

No. You know that. Yeah, for sure. And this world we're living in. And I get in so much trouble talking about the world we're in today about it's okay to not be that guy right it's okay to be the

not alpha the world is it's just to be beta to be to be weak and vulnerable yeah and and have an opinion and and be the gather like no this world needs fucking hunters they need the they need the people the alpha males that are running the country

and um that might be a dying mindset I don't know And I said, I get in tons of trouble all the time speaking about it, especially with all the craziness that's going on. And I don't even know how much of that we can talk about on this podcast because I don't want to get you fucking canceled on your sick show. No, no. We can talk about anything. Like, what are you referring to? Well, for one, I'm talking to the gender identification stuff that's happening.

And the kids that, now let's rewind time to 20 years ago when you and I were in school. Could you imagine fucking telling your teacher you're a cat? Yeah, right. You're like, you identify as whatever, yeah. Yeah, couldn't like, hey, Donald, what's the answer to question three and I just start barking? You'd see some mental health. That's what you'd go.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if this is actually the class or you were actually going to move you into this class and we're going to see some specialists. And now you have to accept it. You have to be like, well, okay, that's, well, let's see what's going on. it's it's uh totally totally crazy and bizarre to me but that's just like i said we we give a little bit and then a little bit more and and that's how that's how like the whole covid thing happened right it all started with we just needed two weeks you guys right yeah we need everyone the curve we need everyone to buckle down we need this much yeah and then after we gave this much they're like

we just need this much more we didn't ask for two years to shut down and close your life right We took down businesses, collapsed the economy. We didn't ask for that. Right. We asked for this much. And then we asked for that much more. So that's how it happens. Yeah.

Yeah. All of a sudden, now we're here two years. It's like, oh my God. Yeah. How did we get here? How did we get here? It was just a small little infringements. And that's exactly what I feel is happening with the, um, whole shit that's going on

right now. Like it's gender identification. Call me this. Call me this. And I don't care what you want to be called. That makes no difference to me and do shit. Yeah. If you want us to sit down here like, well, Cowboy, you know, this is the misses.

Keep Hammer. Miss Keep hammering. Yeah. Okay. But why are we celebrating it? And why are we making it seem like it's just this big normal thing? Right. Yeah.

It's a tiny sliver of people. Yeah. And they're getting all the attention. The guys who are out going to work every day are kind of getting shit on. For sure. I mean, those are the guys that don't matter anymore because the world is just this much. which is okay to it's not okay to be that guy anymore it's okay to be this guy right and yeah and uh that you know that's what i loved about that was why it's so hard for me to leave the job that i did is

because i worked with those guys right guys who are putting the pipe in the ground or building the roads and those are my people you mean the blue collar fucking hard working motherfuckers yeah right those guys that's who i respect yeah they're at work right now every day showing up get building this infrastructure so people can have water and have power. Aside from the military, right? I'm a strong, strong supporter of the military because those are the, why you and I get to sit here and why you get to go shoot your bow every day and why I got to go live my retired fuck off life every day is because those people put the lives in the line so we can

live free and do what we want, right? The second in line to me is the middle class working people. The guy who builds your house, the guy when your hot water isn't working, your wife's calling you like, why is that? in the hot water working. You're like, I don't know. What do you mean the hot water's not working? Let's call that guy.

They drive over three in the morning in the snowstorm and get your water working again. When they get the infrastructure of the whole now like California with all this electric cars and stuff, they need to figure out how we can build an infrastructure to support all the electrical grids to support everything. Right. So those people are the people that, you know, and that's the hard working backbone of America. And then when you couple, like you mentioned it, but the guy. who train on top of doing that work. That's who it's hardly anybody.

But when you see them, you're like, okay, that guy's got something. He's got a little bit of dog in him. He's got more than everybody else. And when I see people out running in the rain and the dark and in the mornings, like you say, I'm like, okay, that gives me hope. Those are the people. Yeah, when it's four in the morning and you're also on the, and you don't even need to say something, you just look at them like, yeah, yep.

I know. I love it. I love it. I see you. Was the your grandma, the one that would go to your fights? Is that the one you're talking about? Okay. She was a doctor?

She's technically a nurse, but she worked under my grandfather who is a doctor. Okay. And basically did everything. He would just come in to sign off on it. Not taking anything away from my grandma. Very brilliant man, right? But yeah, she ran the office for sure. And that was in Colorado?

Yep, in Colorado. Is that? So you grew up, you told me you grew up sometimes here in Oregon. Yep. So the middle part of my life, I moved to Oregon. Okay. And then right about high school, I moved back with my grandparents, which lived in Denver. And so I moved up to Denver. I grew up in Colorado Springs.

Through middle school, we moved out here to Oregon, to Napa, Oregon, with my mom's parents. And lived here for a few years. Then I moved in with my grandparents. Okay. And where was your mom and dad then? Um, just doing their life. Yeah, you decided to live with your grandma and grandpa. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I mean, it worked out. It sounds like, you got to understand I was the worst person. I look back now because I have three boys. And I get it. Like, there's only so much you could take before you lose it. And I was, you know, they say I can only have sex in my back because I can only fuck up. So, uh, that's a true statement, right?

Like if there's an opportunity to mess up, I was doing it. Right. And I was always looking for trouble. Like trouble's not hard to find if you're looking for. Right. You know, like on a Saturday night, if we're going out looking to get in trouble with some guys or looking for mischief, it's really easy to find. It's actually harder to walk the narrow. Right.

Yeah. So I would always just, oh, there it is. Let's see what that's about. Yeah. Let's make some trouble. Yeah. I mean, my grandma. So you were hard to raise as you're saying for your mom and dad, you were a challenge.

extreme challenge yeah and and for my my when I moved in with my grandparents um their discipline to me was really strange so I would do something go to jail my call my grandma at three in the morning she'd come bail me out and then I would think I was getting ready for a lecture or something in the morning and I'd have to ask her like you're not going to ask me what I did and she goes no you know what you did and I'm like yeah she's like then what's it matter it was wrong I was like yeah She's like, so what are we talking about? And I'm like, fuck, all right. It made me feel worse.

You know what I mean? Yeah, you want to get your ass chewed. Yeah, like, God damn. So just the way she. You didn't want to let her down, it sounds like, mostly. And I did all the time. And that was the most heartbreaking part. I can always constantly like fuck again.

Yeah. And which is cool to have a platform now and be able to talk and voice my opinion. Because when I was young, she'd always say, God, boy, if you could only use your. your powers for good instead of evil, you could really do something. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

And I'm like, what do you mean? Like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Because I'd always have a good way of people around me talking everybody into doing the wrong stuff. Right. We should go do this. Yeah. This sounds like a terrible idea.

We should all do that. Yeah. And they would. Yeah. So now I get it now. Like, oh, fuck, okay. You were setting me up for life. Yeah.

What? So why, why do you think that you were the troublemakers? What was it? I mean, do you think, I mean, if you had to give advice to somebody that age, is it trying to get accepted by what you thought were cool kids or be the biggest badass? Or what was it? I wish I had an answer for that because I don't know. But what's really cool is every year I put on a kids camp to give back to. So I bring every year the age has changed. But last year we had 14 to 16, which is really that trouble. Yeah, that's a tough age. The age where you really is time to start figuring out who you want to be.

Right. And it's really interesting, really cool to see these kids get to that. We do eight days at the ranch and we teach him, man, so many life skills. And how to shoot, how to just training and fun. And a lot of every night we sit around a campfire and all the counselors talk to them about life choices and answer questions. It's just cool to see them mold and grow from the kids they show up to, when they leave. And then we give them all our phone numbers.

I talked to tons of the kids still. You know, like, I took first at the state wrestling championship, you know, like I got all A's. And it's, that's cool.

You know, I'm making. Yeah, it's like life changing, man. It's unbelievable. Well, I mean, and you have that life experience.

You can say, hey, I was just like you. Right. I was a fuck up. And look what can happen if you get focused because you're an example of that.

Yeah. I was that kid. And, you know, when you're in school and you're learning all the different, social studies and math and you're like, I'll never use this until you need it. And you're like,

God, why did I pay attention? Still not algebra probably. I don't even know why we do algebra, but yeah, I get the other stuff balancing a checkbook. Yeah, you know how to do that. Dude, there's so many life skills that they should start really like now I get it. Like, oh, that's why they showed us that in school. I understand. Yeah, I don't even, you know, I had this guy from the UK here recently. And I wasn't to, to your point about not paying intention and what matters in school. I was like not really sure how London and England in the UK is like, how does all this work?

Right. Which is which? Which is a city, country state? I don't even. So I'm like, God, I feel stupid.

Right. But if it doesn't have to do something with running or bow hunting, I wasn't really paying attention. Yeah. I've seen a lot of the world. I've fought on every continent except for Antarctica. So six of the seven. Wow.

I've been to, oh man, probably 150 something countries. I would, when I started kickoff. boxing and travel the world, I would always tell them to just extend my ticket wherever I'd fight. Yeah. And I'd say, all right, I'd look around whatever country's around there.

And I'd be like, fly me out of Prague. Yeah. And then I would just go visit and hang out and backpack all the, all the countries surrounding the area I was in and then I'd fly home. Oh, man. Yeah, so it was, it was a lot of fun. What was, what stands out about any of those experiences? Like, what? That refraised the question.

What am I? What am I doing? I mean, people ask me out of time, where's your favorite country? Where's your favorite place to visit? Well, you got to ask me, am I taking a group of rowdy friends? And I'm going to party and have a good time? Am I taking my wife and kids? And are we going to tourist attraction to see some cool sites?

So you have that you got to phrase the question. When you were doing that by yourself, well, were you by yourself? No, I remember my best buddy, Mike Baldwin. Yeah, who used to train and fight with me. We'd go together. What was the best time you guys had? Probably, uh, Ibiza, Spain. Yeah.

Yeah. Why is that? Just the ultimate party. Really? Yeah. Beautiful women, I presume. Everything you could imagine is in that country. It's a good time.

It throws down. And so you went there to fight? Or were you near there to fight? Near there to fight. Okay. Near there to fight. And yeah, wild and crazy. When was your first professional?

How old were you when your first? I was 20 years old. I wasn't quite. 21 yet because I had a fake ID and it was in New York City. Oh. Yeah. So I remember we were using a fake ID to go out and drink and party. And I, we went out.

So we got our first fight in New York two weeks after my very first time ever training. They offered me if I was like, yeah, fuck y'all. So we go to New York. Well, for me, I'm, I'm doing this because I love it. It's fun. But I also want to go to New York and party. Yeah. I remember the whole next day was weighing day.

I was like dying, trying to rehydrate because of how hungover and fucking drop we were. So I spent most of the day trying to figure my life out to get ready for the fight the next day. Yeah. It was. How'd the fight go? Good. I knocked a kid out first round and was just fed into the going out and partying mode even more. Yeah. It's like you got rewarded.

You weren't disciplined and still won. It's like how great this. Yeah. It was wild. And then so you went. You did that. When did you get serious about training? So I started kickboxing.

And then I started getting big fights over in Japan. And I went 28 and O as a professional kickboxer. And I just started fighting like the big name guys. Even then, I mean, I would take it pretty serious. But I was, I own my own roofing company. So I was a full-time in Colorado. In Colorado. Okay.

Yeah, I work for a home builder called Lenar Homes. would build all their roots so we'd have to like crank four five six houses out a day like like rocking and roll wow yeah yeah that's hard work too oh my god if you're near a roof you have no idea what hard work is yeah so we'd start like um four or five in the morning work till two get off go to the gym train till seven eight nine o'clock at night go home do it again the next day it's a grind yeah it was a wild grind and so I would have to just take off work and go fight come back in the fighting, the money to go kickbox was, you know, 700 bucks and enough. I would make five times that roofing, but I just loved it.

And I got the opportunity to travel. And everyone's always so crazy. Like, man, I can't believe how many fights you take on short notice. Like, man, they'd call me on Wednesday saying, I need you to fight in Japan on Saturday. And you do it. And I do it. Like, Japan, this weekend, let's go. You know what I mean?

So we just go. I used to walk around right at the fightway. Like I didn't know. I was kind of a tiny kid back then. And so 155, it was, actually it was 154 was the weight class and for kickboxing. And I was right. Maybe a pound or two, depending on how much crap I ate on the plane. Right.

Yeah. But other than that, easy, breezy. Did you ever take one of those fights, get over there and be like, this was a mistake? No. I mean, if you were 28-0, then, I mean, I guess not. I didn't care. There was never, you know, I didn't really, the fear of performing well didn't kick in until I started, like, made it a full-time. job for the UFC but like kickboxing I just go throw down I had a totally different mindset

okay you go fight and have fun and murder how how how do you think the mindset was different don't know I don't know I just I young dumb and and and you know just yeah I've a couple times I've go to New York or New York to Tokyo get off the plane straight to the way in right and we go to weigh in and they're like oh your opponent already waiting I'm like what are you talking about I No, he didn't. Yeah. So they just had me do some little way in over in the corner. And I was like, where's my guy?

And like, oh, he's good. Were they bigger usually? Yeah, yeah. I mean, whatever. It was just, they brought me in to lose, you know? That's what it was. I was there. I was flown in to get my ass whipped.

Right. But you kept winning. Kept winning. Yeah, good winning. Oh, and that, so then that led into more training. That was just kickboxing. Correct. And then back then he used to be called NHB,

No Holds Bar right before. I used to watch Tough Man on TV. That was like, I think Phil Barone. Yeah, right. I mean, I used to watch him fight. I can't believe he was jail for murder right now. I know. Nuts.

Anyway, but yeah, so it was NHB and I started fighting on smaller circuits. And the company I used to fight for was called Ring of Fire out of Colorado Springs in Denver. And they wanted me to do M.A. Well, this company, like kind of a one-hit wonder company came in trying to be The next big thing offered me $5,000 to do my first MMA fight. Well, the Ring of Fire was like, oh, no, we want you to our first. So they did, I fought the weekend before. And then again, back-to-back weekends for my very first two.

Really? Yeah, MMA fights. Yeah. And but $5,000 back then was huge money. Yeah. Especially when I just made $700 to go fight for a U.S. title in Thailand or, you know, wherever, whatever. Yeah, it was nuts.

Yeah. So. How did those first two fights go back to back? I think they were triangle and triangle, I think. Two triangles. Is that your favorite submission? It was back then because I had a pretty good jujitsu ground game, right? Mm-hmm.

So when I decided I wanted to be this my life. I, um, my grandpa bought me a house in Vail, Colorado. Mm-hmm. So Vail's about 80, 200 feet. Yeah, elevation, yeah. He said, I want you to go up there and train. I'm going to find a black belt.

And we're going to learn this because I went from kickboxing. And then two months later, I have now have two MMA fights and I don't have any wrestling or jujitsu skills. So my grandpa paid a black belt to live up there with me. And we trained three times a day. And in between training, we would go snowboard. So we had trained, snowboard, train, snowboard, train. That sounds good.

Yeah. Probably in great shape. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And we saw just literally train only jukes. Worst case scenario, bad positions, what to do often, right? Like, like it just ended up doing that for probably a year and a half. Yeah, he just, and he believed in me, you know.

Who was that? My grandfather. Oh, you're great. Yeah. Who was your, the black belt? Oh, his name was Carlos. He was, um, yeah, taught me taught me a lot. Is he pretty good?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I lost contact them over the years, actually, which is kind of sad on my end. I probably should. I wonder if he's still, what do you, if you still doing it. I'm sure. Yeah.

Those, those guys don't really. And this, you can remember this was back when, like right now for you to recommend someone to a jiu jitzu gym, there's a million of them here, probably right here. Right. Probably three that we could go to today. Yeah. There's a 10th planet here somewhere. Yeah, right?

Yeah. Then, no. Like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was just a thing coming, right? Right. So Carlos happened to be in the area working on snowboarding. Right? Right. It's all worked out.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yes, well, you can come in here and spar. Yeah. But you don't represent our gym. Right. You're not, you're always in jail. You're always in trouble.

Like you're not the image. Right. that we want to portray for our so I was never really accepted and um what was that like I mean well I didn't care off no you didn't really give a shit like whatever fuck you everybody yeah let's go I'm here to fight I don't care if I don't care of it represents at your gym I just want to train so I go in there yeah going there and spar and play and train Leonard Garcia um one of my dearest friends got a fight with Roger Worta mm-hmm and uh in the U.S. go see and he was training under dwayne ludwig in colorado so i'd always see leonard we're buddies right

yeah he said cowboy i uh going down to gregg jackson's down in albuquerque come with me and i was like all right fuck i'll go with you so we load up the car we drove down there and i was supposed to do a week and i never came home really never came home so they accepted you what was it gregg specifically greg jackson the first he believed in you and and and so when i went down there, GSP, Keith Jardine, Namark, Rashad,

Edwitt, and Clay Gwita, like, dude, the name of, like, killers. Oh,

killers were there. When I walked in, like, oh, my God. Yeah. And I remember the, after about the second or third day I was there,

Greg pulled me aside, like, hey, man, I would like for you to be my 55er. And I was like, what, at all these guys?

Mm-hmm. And it felt cool. I bet. It felt good. Mm-hmm. So I literally like I said I called my grandma and I said sell my house and she would slowly start coming down just truckload by truckload and bring me my shit. Did you did you take it more serious than after that? Like oh yeah life changed big time when it was time to yeah like did he did did Greg demand it as part of being in the gym or you just wanted to is like not not wanting to let him down kind of like he didn't want to.

let your grandma down. Yeah, it was, it was just time to, that's what I wanted to do in life. You know what I mean? It was just time to get serious. By the time I went down to Greg's, I think I was 7 and 0 or 8 in MMA.

And it was just time to, I got picked up by the tap out guys and they did the reality show thing on me. Went to the WC, from the WC over to the UFC. And I remember when we came over, everyone was like, oh, those WC guys are going to get smashed

by the UFC boys. And then we did, we did all right. Mm-hmm. did good. But you talk about working hard and a great work through, like I said, from my grandmother. So I lost my drivers and I'm a habitual offender, which means you fuck up a lot.

Yeah, yeah. So I had a suspension for. What, speeding and what? Evading and abetting is what actually took it from me the last time. We used to ride motorcycle and think we were fucking hot shots. Just stupid shit, right? So I lost, anyways, those homes I was telling you about were clear out of 120th in Denver. And my grandma lived basically at 26th.

So we'd go very far. Yeah. So she would load her work truck, my work truck up, drive me all the way out there, drop me off, unload the truck with me. Then she would drive to the office and do work all day and then come pick me up. Right. So you talk about the people that do all this stuff. to say they're going to do she's that late yeah right like why do you do she's like because i told you i would you know right so she would literally drive me to work and then go to work herself and then

come back and pick me up so it's just that's that's that's why i weren't learned to to work hard when it when it says you're going to do something fucking yeah and uh that's a great lesson i mean without her who knows right what would be going i'd be i'd be swallowed up by the system for sure yeah and then so down at gregg jacks who did you really connect with there did you get a have a training partner that you linked up with or did everybody push? You know, so Greg's isn't, Jackson isn't like it is now. It used to be a family. Yeah, like Keith Jardine and I are still really good friends, you know, he's in the

movie industry right now. We're both fucking loving it and working together. But yeah, like Keith and Rashad and, man, George flew me up to Canada several times to go there and train and work with him. So it was just a giant family. We'd all go eat together. We'd all go hang out together. And, yeah, it was.

Pretty special. Very special. I mean, that's kind of like lightning in a bottle, too. That doesn't happen very often. It was the perfect timing. It was the perfect timing. Everybody's in a perfect spot for that to work. Yeah, exactly.

It was awesome. And you probably felt, did you feel invincible then? Do you feel at your best? Because I know I've heard you say you were always nervous before fights. Oh, yeah. Was that just lately when like the stakes were really high? Or was there a time when you were just like, no, I'm. No, I'm not always.

I always felt you always second guess yourself. I mean, if you worked hard enough or what? It doesn't matter if you didn't work hard enough, you'd question it. If you didn't work hard enough, you already knew, you already had the answer.

But when you did work hard enough, like I'm sure, for instance, you're getting ready for these huge runs you're doing, when you're on the line and you're driving up, you're like, fuck. Yeah.

Should I have got more miles in? Done one more. Yeah. That weekend, that Saturday, I didn't go, should I have went? Right. Right. So all those things start running through your mind.

And especially when you're getting ready for a fight in your, and like UFC fighting is during training camp and everything ready. I bet you were 80% physical, 20% mental. Come fight we get switches. And you're now all mental, right? Like 90% mental. And the shit your mind comes up with and tells you the weeks, the days leading you up to fight are insane. Like it's so hard to learn to fight off those negative thoughts. Yeah, you like lay in bed dreaming and thinking about another man.

That's fucking terrible. Yeah. And like what they're going to do. And not in a romantic way, like the worst way ever. Right. I'm just beating the fuck out of you way. Yeah. Like nightmare stuff.

Yeah. And then you start just all these bad income or like outcomes in your mind. You're just everything can go wrong. So it was really more not about ever letting myself down or just letting everybody who you met along the way and letting them down. You know, that's where you really. start second-guessing yourself and you're like man like you just it's hard to believe in yourself sometimes yeah it just is to know the mind is to be that guy that I'm pretending to be it's hard to be him sometimes I understand I understand wish it was easier so wish it was easier yeah I mean I wish I could

just go in there like yeah no I'm you're scared and you're timid and you're second-guessing and it's it's tough yeah and you and everybody's especially on fights because I've been into so many fights, but you're like reading that body language, you know, and I remember I was when Aldo fought Connor, right? And Joe kind of like this famous part where he was like looking to Aldo and he's like, he doesn't look confident, you know, he's like looking down. Everybody's just like hypercritical of body language. And it's like, do you guys think about how like how people are perceiving you or is you're so in your head? Yeah, it's dead. So in your head. Yeah.

It is insane. Once the fight is on. Well, even like when, didn't you, I think I remember saying you got hit or maybe you saw blood and then you kind of, it's almost like, okay, that's out of the way. Does it get easier? It just goes in. Now you go into the non-thinking motor skills. Like it's just more the reaction. And you're just like, okay, now we're in it.

Now this is all the, this is what I'm here for. Right. And you kind of get in the zone. Looser. Yeah. And sometimes like they talk, Joe talks about all the time like you get in this flow state and I It's like almost like someone's playing you. You're playing you from video game and third person like like I yeah Like war off out of my body like it's the craziest most bizarre thing ever when do you see that is there a you're rocking and rolling Yeah, but is there a clip that you've seen where you just put like all I think I remember one where it seems like it was a couple punches and kicks all together is there one that stands out?

Well, they restroy a combo that. everyone, like it's a famous combo that I threw for sure in that fight. And the very first time it ever happens is I changed weight class. I went to 170 and I went to Canada and I fought Patrick Otey. And I felt invincible in that fight. Really? I couldn't do wrong. You know what I mean?

Everything's working. Every zip, every zag, you know? Same thing when I fought Jeremy Stevens. Same thing I felt just in the flow like nothing. I couldn't mess up. Everything I did was great. And when you're on like that, you're fucking on. Oh.

But on the flip side of that coin, when you were off, yeah. Yeah, like when I fought Connor, everybody thinks the UFC paid me to take a dive. You couldn't pay me enough money to tarnish my soul. Right. Yeah, no. Couldn't do it.

You're not a sellout. There's no way. There's no amount of money. Now, you could pay me enough money to fuck a man live on TV. That I could do. You know what I mean? Yeah. That I could, no problem.

Yeah. Yeah. But to take a dive, I couldn't do. And something like fighting, something that you did get your life to. I couldn't do it. So everyone, but the problem with that fight is I couldn't get in the right headspace ever. Yeah. Yeah.

So when they showed me the exit in the cage, I took it. Took it. Yeah. Right. And I lived with that every day. No, I understand. I wondered about it. Because you've seen where a fight's not going well.

I'm not talking about you, but specifically. And you know, you know the guy, maybe somebody's got their back and then maybe just make that neck available just because I need to get out of here. There's the door. I need to get out of here. Talk about that working out and running, like when fatigue will turn anybody into, right? And that's if you're fatigue and you're exhausted, you don't have anything left. But sometimes you weren't even fatigued yet. No, but my mind was.

Okay. You were just wore out before he got there. I was just not into it. Couldn't. You ever tried to find something? second gear and just keeps grinding. That's where I was. Just couldn't find the gear.

Couldn't get going. Yeah. And I have no one what to blame but myself. Like, and it sucks every day I have to live with that. Yeah. I mean, like, fucking it's, it sucks. And, but you live and you learn and how can I figure out not to be in that headspace anymore, right?

It's, it's just tough. You got to, you got to fork through it and figure it out. Well, you know, I mean, yeah, that's terrible. but also you took so many risks that you overcame to get to that point. Sure. To have those high stakes opportunities. I mean, you earn that. Yeah,

didn't go how you wanted it to, but all the wins you had to get there, that had to happen first. Yeah. So you got to focus on that. You can't focus on, man, did I shit the bed on this?

No, you fucking had the most wins in the UFC, the most finishes in the UFC. It's like we can't forget that part of it. Yeah, right. I know you want to dwell on that other, but Jesus. You got, you had decades of winning.

Yeah, and it was one hell of a wild career. Yeah. I loved it. And so you let, do you miss it? I miss the con robbery, con robbery, conrodry, camaraderie, how do you say it? It's, uh, camaraderie. Com camaraderie. You had me screwed up.

God of all my training partners and everybody on the same mission getting together for one goal. Right. I missed that. I missed the choking around and the going to the. eat and you know like draining and you're slap ass the lifestyle the lifestyle i miss i miss all my friends yeah the competition side like i do so much things still to compete that i have that yeah you're you're scratch right scratching that itch right

yeah where i don't need that i mean do i think about it i'm not sure yeah mm-hmm i do but uh i mean i can't imagine what that's like coming into an arena in everybody i I mean, you're, the coolest feeling in the world. Nothing can touch it. And what you had, wasn't it kid rock?

Yeah. But I mean, just when you walk in and everyone's chanting your name, when you have 25,000 people screaming, blowing the roof off an arena, all right? It's so cool. I can't imagine.

Yeah, nothing can touch it. It's like everybody, even, even me as a fan, has chills. Yeah. I mean,

it's so special. It's like the modern day gladiator. So you see, Maximus coming out there, the crowd, the mob going crazy. And it's, I can't, I mean, must be unreal. It is. And yeah, it's unreal. Like I said, it's the craziest feeling and the most tension and the hardest feeling

and the hardest feeling to get ready for that. That's what people ask me. Like, man, I'm done. Why? Because like the emotional roller coaster ride that you need to go on, the ups and the down. of preparing for a fighter insane. Like the last couple weeks are just such,

for me, I'm such a head case. It's insane. Yeah. And my wife, like the coolest girl in the whole world would always, she used to play soccer for the college she went to. I wish I knew what it was,

but somewhere in Texas, some badass school. I would just say Harvard. Yeah, no, I wasn't that. It was that, but she would always say,

man, if I could tell you anything, and I know you can see the end of the tunnel. Like, I know you're, coming to the end of your career. Yeah. If I could go back to my last year of school in college,

and I knew that was going to be my last couple of games, I would have laced up a little tighter and I'd have tried a little more just because I know. She's like, you have that opportunity right now. Like you, this is you right now, me 15 years ago,

lacing up to go and do something that you know you're not going to be doing forever. Right. So fucking go do it. You know what, like, you know what, baby you're right. Yeah.

So sometimes having those talks with her would really like, get you pumped up and ready to go. Yeah. Yeah. And it's good to have a good support team and everyone cheering you on a long way, but it's also good to have the people there that are not the S-Men and the people that are like, right. No, we need to go run these miles.

Yeah. We need to lift these weights. We need to work on this. We need to do this. You need those people also. Who is that for you? My team, man. Yeah, I had my Canadian coach, Shara.

She would always keep me on the straight up, you know, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. She was always like, yeah, okay, we're going to go snowmobiling. But you know what? We're also going to get this work in. Like you're not going to just go do that. You talked about you. You said you're a head case. Could somebody, do you have somebody who could look at you and say, see you were like struggling with something or and be able to help that part of it? Not just putting in physical work is kind of easy just to do it. But, you know, people work with sports psychologists all the time for that mental. Did you have anybody that? Yeah. Yeah. Tough. It's very tough.

Because what is today? Today, Thursday? Yeah. So you and I talk on Thursday. We fight on Saturday. You might have my mind ready to go. On Thursday. On Thursday.

Maybe even Friday. Wake up. Wake up was great. Feeling good. I go eat. Friday night. Doubt creeps in. I let the demons in.

and I lay there all night, not sleeping, laying awake, second-guessing, now I wake up Saturday morning, and now I'm faking it until I make it again, right? Everyone's out there's doing you good, like, yeah, I'm good, I feel great. Faking it, faking it, hope when I find it. Sometimes you don't find it. Yeah. So, yeah, it works sometimes, but sometimes it's just for that day. Yeah, I imagine.

And also, I would think you talked about there's no greater feeling in the world than 25,000 people screaming your name. that probably keeps you maybe chasing that feeling maybe more than people should not just you but i know after it's done walking away from the fight game is tough yeah after it's done like after the fights it it's over like wins the next one but there's moments that i've been in the back where i'm like i'm not doing this i'm going home it ain't worth it yeah i don't want to go out i don't even want to do this i'm fucking so scared i just want to go home people can't understand that that's you're under so much pressure and you're fighting another man it's it's i don't know anything that's harder i remember when i first went to jackson's and um like diego sanchez and all those guys are down

the right and they're they talk about their purse and they make 50 000 dollars 50 000 bro i just made 700 on a kickboxing for a world title yeah i'd fight anybody in the world for 50 000 right now let's fast forward till my last couple fights cowboy you're making 800 000 dollars and you're fucking second guessing Yeah. If you even want to go out there and fight, the perspective is so weird, right? Right. Back then for $50,000 ought to fought my grandma.

Right. Yeah. Went through, walked through a brick wall. No problem. Yeah. And now I have almost a million dollars on the line and I'm like, I just want to go home. I want to do this, right?

That's the challenge. Keep the money. Keep the money. I'm just going to go home. I'm going to sneak out the back door. Yeah. It's wild. It's crazy.

Yeah. And I think it's just a different, different not to be to whatever, but it's different seasons of life essentially. I mean, when you're young, you feel got nothing, you, you feel invincible probably, right? Sure. And then when you get older, you realize, maybe I'm not invincible. And that's where that doubt comes in. And then, then you know all those eyeballs are on you and everybody's got a fucking opinion. Oh, man, do they? You know? And I, I mean, I don't envy that. I envy the, that feeling of walking out that must be electric, but I don't envy the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the battling with the demons.

The demons are tough. Mm-hmm. But the demons are gone now. Yeah. No. And now you're a movie star. Movie star, baby. Which is cool.

I, uh, it's funny when I went to retire and Joe's like, oh, we're doing this. Yeah, man. I'm glad you're here. I'm glad Bruce here. I'm glad, you know, it's time. Mm-hmm. And I said, I want to be a movie star. Literally my phone started ringing right away.

Just from his podcast. Say it on his podcast. No, live on the, on the, on the, at the, On the arena. At the fight. At the fight. Yeah. Yeah, right there.

And it just, it just, uh, phone started ringing and work started coming. Now I get to pretend to be the guy I always wanted to be. Yeah. Well, I mean, you got the look. You got everything they need. So it's so fun. The movies, I love it. It's unbelievable experience.

Westerns? All of it. I'll do it all. So you do not just westerns. You do anything. I started off doing a bunch of stunts. And then the stunt rolls, which is. When I first started doing stunts, I was like, hold on, you're going to pay me to go flip this car?

I'll do that for free. Like crazy. It was like your early fight days. Yeah, like all this shit. You know, so same kind of deal. But then I started getting rolls where I was a bouncer or I was the bad guy that said two lines then died. And then I was like, I don't want, I want to be a good guy. Yeah.

I want to be the next action hero. So I started turning those rolls down and I was like, dang it is this going to hurt me? but sometimes no has a lot more power than yes. Yeah. So you turned down some that you didn't think were a good fit. Yeah. Yeah. I've turned down a lot of movies lately.

To not get typecast or what? Yeah, exact. Typecast. And I just like I said, I want to be a good guy. Okay. And I will play a bad guy. Like I just did a Western a few weeks ago where I was the, like a bad guy.

And I don't care. I'm not, but I don't want to be the, just the fighter guy in the corner that says two things and then dies. I don't, you know, So, you know what? How about this role? So Tombstone being like Doc Holiday.

Oh, I'd love it. Yeah, it'd be so cool. I mean, how good is Tombstone? The occult classic. How many times have you watched it? Oh, every time it comes on. If it was on right now, we'd sit and watch the entire thing. Yeah, it's just one of those movies when it's on.

Yeah. And probably my favorite movie is Days of Thunder. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I don't know why. I just as I was a kid. I've always loved it. Tom Cruise, right? Tom Cruise, right?

Yeah, race car driver? race car driver? car driver yeah yeah yeah so days of thunder is probably still today one of my one of my favorites yeah yeah i just want to make movies and have fun doing it yeah well so what's your are you do have a role now you're working on or where you at um yeah i actually have two movies that are in the docket right now that are coming i can't unfortunately that i can't say anything about they're so weird yeah you know pictures no discussion like they want to like it's it's a it's a wild and crazy,

different world. Not to mention a lot of the left wing people are movie people. Yeah, right, definitely.

And so we kind of butt heads. A little bit. The right fit then for sure. Yeah. It's just, yeah. Yeah. Different.

No, Hollywood is. Yeah. No, I wouldn't envy that part of dealing in that business either because, yeah,

the psycho left, whatever, man, But there's got to be people out there. I mean, I know probably Kevin Costner's probably good to work with. Right. I mean, I don't know. I'm sure there's a ton of great guys.

Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. That's with anything going on in the world. I'm sure there's the super radicals and then the total opposite. But who's helped you or who do you look up to in the movie industry? Like, you know, you had Jackson's and your grandma helped you with fighting and training partners.

Who in movies? Is it, are you self-learned or what? Well, so I still got in the stunts with the company called Brand X and Jeff Dash, Narnia's his three sons, JJ Chad, and they took them under their wing and kind of taught me, like they are the who's-who's in the stunt game, right? And that's who I owe a lot of my next chapter in life too is Papa Dash just for,

taking me in, showing me the ways, and really getting me started in this. So probably the coolest guy I've met famous movie star-wise is Mark Wahlberg. Really? Yeah. So that was from Spencer Confidential. Yeah. I worked out there with him in Boston for a few months. What a cool guy. Just a normal guy? Is that why?

Just a normal. Why is he cool? He just doesn't have that I'm a superstar complex. to him. Okay. Whenever we'd go somewhere and people would ask for pictures, he'd, come on, of course. Yeah, really? Yeah. And when we were on set, he's just real friendly to everybody.

I've been on some sets where the actors are just, they think they are the man. And everyone needs to bowed out to him. Yeah. That would get old. Real old, real fast. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I was trying to tell these people, too.

Like, look, man, I'm just doing this because I also enjoy it. But I'll beat the fuck out of y'all. You don't think you can talk to me like that. You know what I mean? I don't get fuck who you are. Yeah, you got that ace in the hole. Right, like that shit ain't gonna fly for me. You think you can just pong me down.

Nah, we're gonna have, yeah, I'm gonna get kicked out of this movie just because I whipped your fucking ass. I think that probably keeps people in line a little bit, right? They know that that threats there. But yeah, so he was just real cool. Hung out, Joe played, ate lunch with everybody. And I was like, if I'm gonna make it big, that's who I'm gonna model myself out for sure.

Mark and Mark, let's go, baby. I know. I mean, he is one of the, my favorites also. I mean, I love it. And he gets up trains in the mornings early. The 4 a.m. club, I think is what he calls it. I mean, I invited him on a hunt

and never happened or whatever, but it's because he's got the the Walburger. And I think they sell not wild game, but elk. Sure. I was like, hey, you want to you want to know what it to provide and put meat on the table yourself? Let's do it. And just didn't happen. But

he didn't, he didn't automatically shoot it down so that's kind of a win. Hell yeah. Maybe I could, me and him and go on an Elkhone with you. Let's do him. Dude, let's do it. Or get that going. Or if you want to do it that bear hunt I was talking about. Because I love bear meat. Yeah. I mean, bear meat's good

and plus it's a good. I want to see you kill a bear with your bow. All right. How does that sound? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So let's make that happen. Yeah, I'm with it. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you speaking of that, you can shoot a bow. I'd like to say,

I could shoot damn near anything. I'd like to take a lot of pride in. I could shoot a lot of stuff. I haven't picking up the bow with you. It was probably the first time I'd shot a bow in several years. Well, at the bow rack, you were laying them in there. Thank you. I mean, you were shooting great.

Wayne, because I've had a number of people through, some of them had never even picked up a bow. Sure. And then you can tell right away. It's almost like if somebody's played basketball or night and they're dribbling the ball, you can be like, okay, this guys have never done this before. Right. Or, and you could tell you with the bow, it's like, okay, he knows what he's doing.

Sure. And Wayne was definitely impressed. Hell yeah. Yeah. I enjoyed it. I like shooting. And, of course, we have to step up the competition just because it's more fun, right? Yeah.

I know. Last night out there at 102 yards. That was classic. It was so fun. Night shooting. That was good. I know. Whopendale.

So, Cowboy. as a rivalry with Dale Brisbane and more like a friendly. Yeah, it's a game. It's a game. But Dale thinks they're going to fight. We are at the kids camp. We're going to do it.

Yeah. He wants to just put like a charity boxing thing around. Just something fun for the kids and everything. And I'm excited to bring Dale down and have him be a mentor for this year's kids. Yeah. A life-changing experience for him and the kids. I think so. And he's like,

he wants to be a positive. I mean, just like you, but his attitude is so different than yours. Sure. Your attitude is like you come in. I mean, I was just thinking about last night at dinner. He comes in. He's just, you know, sitting there and making sure. You're like, hey, these are good. And you're just right in there. What's this? What's, you know, it's like, your attitude. I love your attitude because it's just unapologetically you. Right. It's like, no, Cowboys here fucking clear out. Right. Dale has, he's just a different person. Obviously, everybody's different, but it's so unique in his own way. Nice guy. You're like you who you are right and probably never change but I love it. I mean I'll never paint myself in a corner for sure yeah yeah well I love it man it's fun life is

is interesting now I have two three boys I say two because the one's just brand new and he's just any of you have children out there you know for the first years the moms yeah no actually first I didn't take the boys over till we could actually do fun stuff fun stuff yeah about three and a half Yeah, right? Yeah. And then we were like best buddies. That's what I'm sure what you'll be. Yeah, like I don't even sleep with Mama anymore.

The both boys want me to crawl in bed with them every night. So that's what we do. We just, and we have RVs. So sometimes we go out and camp in the yard and just whatever the hell they want to do, you know. My oldest is getting ready for his first dirt off-road race coming March of him. And he's young. Four years old.

Jeez. Four years old. He's getting in a fully built, caged race car. off road and then he's going to go and he's racing against six to ten year olds as his class that is great i mean he must be and he's a wild man too i guess yeah yeah does he have no fear uh he does have fear he now his brother riot zero fear so danger riot and havoc have i love it man those are perfect cowboy strony names i love it right um so it's going to be interesting he'll be the crowned as the youngest racer.

It would be fun. Wow. That's, and what does he drive in? A, um, it's, wow. So I'm sponsored by Canam.

Canham doesn't make a car that small. Okay. So he built him a 250 Cc buggy. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, okay.

It hauls ass. I bet. Especially for him in it. I bet. Bad ass. And he drives it well? Very well. Like impressively well.

Oh. old as that kid yeah and how far is you racing so the race is 25 minutes and it's about a mile and a half as the course of the track as many laps as you can get done okay exactly and um yeah he's gonna

he's never race so this would be his first race but he's ridden with people we have a race track out of the ranch so we have tons of tracks and he'll be by himself by himself and I'll be on a radio talking to him oh my gosh that's so good yeah like it's how much wired right so you have a wire with a microphone in it

You push the little button on steering wheel and he could talk bad because at the ranch, I'm like, are you okay? He's like, yeah, Dad. Are you worried? Are you nervous? I'm not. Mama is. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah. No way.

I think he's going to do great. It reminds me a little bit, being four years old is my buddy, Roy, who got me started bow hunting. And a lot of people know that story. But he took his son, Justin. I mean, we took our boys out bear hunting. That was like one of the first hunts because we could be right there with them and say, yeah, this is a bore. you know, settled down, make a good shot. Anyway, Roy had this set up where he had a shotgun with buck shot in it,

and he had a two-by-four between two trees. The shotgun on the two-by-four duct taped. And so Justin just had to, like, aim it at the bear. And he shot this bear when he was four years old. Wow. And he's like, so he shoots this bear, drops the bear in his tracks. And the bear comes in hot, right? When you guys call him in that close there?

Well, that was to bait. Okay. So it's coming in, but they're wary. And I mean, and they're right that, you know, they're sure 10 feet away. Yeah. And so he shoots this bear and drops it. And then Roy was filming him in, and Justin looks at the camera. He's like, I can't believe I finally got my first bear.

It was like, finally, you know, four years. And it reminds me of your story, too, four years old out there racing. They just don't know any different. Yeah, they're just, it's going to be so fun. I know. But think how, I mean, if he's already doing that at that age, imagine what his life Tesla store. You know, that's why as parents, we want to give our kids, you know, opportunities that we didn't have. Sure. You know, and so he's having an incredible opportunity. He's got a legend

for a dad. I mean, how sweet's that? Yeah, and just try and teach him, teach them the ways, you know, that you were taught. I'm excited. Super excited. Yeah. Yeah, we do gun safety and shoot all the time. It's fun. It's the funest shit ever having kids. And I know. It's, uh, I feel bad for people without kids, you know, because I couldn't imagine my life. Well, those are the first people would tell you how to raise your kid. Right, exactly. Yeah, like, what are you doing? That kid can't do?

Like, well, how do you know? Yeah. What are you talking about? Yeah. I was, I mean, I would raise my kids, my boys, I was always worried that I was pushing him too hard. And I think that's, it's hard being known to do the right thing or the wrong thing or the right approach or the wrong approach or being the tough love or telling them not to be pussy.

it's like, man, I don't know, it's tough. Yeah, like, so my son played soccer this season. And they don't get trophies or they get just for fun. They're not there to win. Like, oh, yeah, we're here to win. Okay, dad's keeping score every game. And they won every single game. Yeah.

Yeah. And then we got them a trophy. And like this is we're here for. We're striving to this world we're in where everyone just, it's okay to just. Just lose. Life competition. Yeah, no.

It is not okay to lose. We're here to win. Right. And I explain that to the coach and the organization. Like, well, maybe this isn't the league that we need to be in. Where's the winning league? Right.

If you guys are just trying to teach my kid and it's okay to come in here and half ass and it's okay to just show and participate, that's this isn't for us. No. Ain't going to happen. No, because they get out there in the real world and life. And that's what I tried with my boys is like, hey, life is competition. You want to be anything special. You're going to have to beat some other guy.

Yeah. Or a lot of other guys. At a job. Mm-hmm. At anything. Anything that matters. Anything that matters. Yeah, if you think that you're applying for a position,

you have to beat out that person with better skills. Mm-hmm. Or you're not going to get the job. Right. Yeah. So dwindles all the way down to the bottom floor. Like what, this world that's okay to just get a participation medal.

Absolutely not. No. No, it's sicken to me. And so a good thing I live out in the country and I can raise my kids right. Like, you know, they understand. we have the ranch we got buffalo very toxic masculinity yeah I'm very yeah it sounds I'm actually kind of scared good yeah and and just teaching you know we have pigs and chickens and goats and turkeys and my kids understand the difference in those animals and they know

we have to put the bowls up you know and come springtime we let them out and breed with the what they understand between the boys and the girls like that bowl doesn't think he's a girl and yeah and identify as a cow like it's not how it works. Right. So, you know, and I, I don't know if that's the right way to teach my kids, but that's how I, you know, you know, I believe it is too, but they, they are well aware of the age that they are what the difference between that is. And, uh, I still am pretty proud to, to be able to know that they know that, you know, and I don't, like I said, this world's changing and it's very strange right now. It is. I don't know. Have you, you said you butcher

your own. Yep. And do they help with that, too? Have they seen animals? So we just Butchered a cow Because he died He actually got smashed by One of our buffalo And so I called the vet out

To make sure that he didn't die of anything Yeah, like a disease or something Right exactly So we were all cleared there And he just died that morning So somehow he passed that night And it was freezing cold But it stinks

Because when we cut it open A baby came out And it was one of our first beafelow That were breeding So my son saw the dead dead too Yeah yeah yeah The dead Which is almost fully developed

It looks like they're about to calf any day now And so he saw that but I was like you know what Let's go in and see your mom He's like no why I want to see this and I was like He just don't know if I want you to see me skinning a cow When cutting him up like you know like pretty intense Very for a four year old very intense you know So he didn't see that part of it but he um

He was there for a little bit of it. Knows that something died and you know, a lot of kids. And we're eating it. And same thing with our pigs and our chickens. Like he knows we eat them. Right. And he feeds them. And, and yeah. A lot of kids and even adults, they shy away from the

death part of life. You know what I mean? It's like, we're going to have to deal with death. And when you keep masking it, like, just going to storm buying your meat or just shielding the kids from the reality of life, you're not helping anybody, I don't think. So just that your kids

know that, hey, for us to survive an animal dies, very valuable lesson. Well, people don't get that. And your audience for sure understand it because they are following you, A, on the hunting aspect of it. So they're pretty already on board. My audience, half of them are not. So I post a picture of shooting something or pig hunting. Oh, my God, the comments are on.

Yeah. Then you just got to think, like, when you go down to the grocery store and you're buying that meat, where do you, you think just magically, dies? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't know what they think. No, honey,

those animals are at a butcher shop in a line with a bolt gun getting run to the head, the worst way ever. Yeah, yeah. You don't think they'd seen the three cows next to them die? So they're counting it coming.

Like they see it. You know what I mean? It's not. Like, I don't like this pattern here. I'm mixed. It's so, it to me, I could talk about that all day,

just the people that have so much to say about killing. And they also understand the overpopulation of animals. Like, yeah, they release all these tags so we can, because of the disease, because of the, right? It's not random. It's not random. No, there's science to it.

It's, and, and, yeah, people, like you were saying, we're at breakfast, all the cuts of meat that you like to take. Like, it, you eat the animal. You're not just 1880s shooting the buffalo and leaving them for the hide. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, it's very valuable meat. Yeah, people don't understand that. We put value on it as a hunter and as a, it's your process and your own kills.

I mean, we, we understand that. And that's, that's very important for the kids. I think Rogan has done a good job of explaining to all his listeners that, that part of it. Because most people, they're, they're isolated in cities or they're going, just going to the store. They don't get it. But they know they go to the store and they get it. Like, where's it come from? It just magically shows up.

Yeah. I don't know what, I don't know how they interpret that. And 5% of the world is feeding the entire world. That's what they also don't understand. Yeah. But the more places that are evolving and popping up, the less and less and less agricultural and growing we have available to feed, the more and more people that are happening.

So it's like you guys just want to bitch and complain. That's the other people that I think deserve so much respect is the farmers and ranchers. You know, we talked about construction and the infrastructure, but those guys, the food source people that are out there. You know how hard it is to be a rancher? Yeah. Well, on a very small scale, I do. Yeah.

I mean, they work their asses off. And it's like, and then we get people that, you know, want to chime in. We talked about haters or this and that with your fighting or maybe with, you know, guys calling me a poser. But these guys have to deal with all these, these people from the city weighing in on what should be done or what's at the core or this or that. And it's like, why don't you just go work with a farmer or rancher for a while? and then get back with me.

Dude. You know? Like I said, it's so easy for them to go down and order a burger. I already cooked, already ready to go. I know.

I know. Go back to their fridge and have a carton of eggs. Yeah. Well, yeah, my hope is that discussions like this can help,

you know, pull the curtain back a little bit, but I don't know. The people that, the naysayers and people that have shit to say, they just keep saying to eat, as they're fucking eating

the greasy burger with their hand, they're wiping the smudge marks or their phone with the other. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just keep, keep talking. in the shit.

Commenting about how you shouldn't do that. How society is so wrong or how, you know, how to be more accepting. But I want to know in this new world, can you shoot,

can you pull an elk tag and shoot a cow because maybe it was identifying as an elk? Or maybe it identified as a deer. You had an elk tag. Oh, right. The elk is actually identifying as a deer. Yeah, he told you.

Yeah. So that would be illegal. Yeah. It's a crazy time. I mean, don't get it. I don't definitely don't get it. I see some of it and I'm just like, I mean, it makes you want to be aggressive, you know? Well, you got fined for it. So you, yeah, you can't be, you can't be that aggressive and say what you want to say because you might, well, now the UFC can't

find you though. No, but I can be canceled. Now we're in the council culture. Oh, that's right. So you have to be zipped out of here. I don't. I don't want you to be canceled. I don't either. I don't either. Well, let's, uh, I'm going to get, I had. I had. I put up a question and answer for a cowboy. Let's do a couple. Quickies? Yeah, a couple of quickies for you. We talked about the big challenges of love scenes and movies and try not to be aroused.

That seemed like a tough one. Yeah, it's, you, Boner City, no problem. No problem. Welcome to Boner City, USA. Welcome to Boner City. Yeah, I don't know. It's, yeah, men are pretty predictable. aren't they?

Could you imagine hunting us how stupid we are? Oh. Oh, bro. Do you hunt humans? Yeah. Put a pool party. A bunch of topless bitches.

Dude. You just sit there all day and fucking idiot. You wouldn't even need a trial camera. It's like, hey, when does this guy like to come by here? All day? Oh, yeah. As soon the first tick comes out,

then he'll see when he's coming. When he sees the flyer, topless party, that's when he's headed. Yeah. Yeah. No, very predictable. We wouldn't last long, would we?

No. God. All right. So are you going to go elk hunting with Cam in September? We're going bear hunting. Bear hunting. I like that. So we're going to go bear hunting this spring. Let's see here. I saw some good ones. Oh, what do you learn about yourself while making movies? Oh, well, I don't know about learn about yourself, but you definitely get to pretend to be somebody else.

Yeah. And the cool thing about that is like you were saying playing Doc Holiday or why, Earp or something. Right. Well, you get the, you get casted as a whatever role they want to give you. Now you get to create as far back as you want, this backstory on this guy. Yeah.

Yeah. You get to make him. So you take the ownership? Yeah. Fuck yeah. You do you. He likes to do this. He likes,

he drinks black coffee in the morning or he only, he doesn't eat fried beans. Like you just, you just make this guy, whoever you want to and create an entire backstory. We went to school. How, if you, maybe you are a, uh,

in the movie where, We're best friends, but why are we best friends? Yeah. We make the story. And it's really cool so you can create this tire. So you do that in your head? Yeah, yeah. Okay.

And then that makes it more realistic to be that person. Yes. Because you have what made them them. Correct. It all comes out. So who taught you that? Several different directors working with. Okay.

Explain to you like, hey man, give this guy back to where you show them, do this, do that. Yeah. And then that would affect how you deliver a line maybe because they have these other things weighing in. Yeah, well, no, now you're no longer delivering a line. You were just talking like you and I would talk. Okay. As this person.

Oh, yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, definitely. Well, I mean, it makes sense. It seems like it'd be very hard. It is very hard, but I'm, you know, I'm not answering, um, I'm not answering the, I'm not answering the question you're asking me in the movie as a line. I'm just answering as it. I would say it to you as a friend.

Mm-hmm. I see. Yeah. It becomes very real and natural authentic. Yeah, yeah. It's not me waiting for you to waiting, waiting, waiting, and now I deliver my line, right? It's more just a flow. And so you become that person.

Does it feel natural to you? I mean, are you good at it? I think I'm getting good at it. I enjoy it. Yeah. You like that challenge. Yeah, it's fun. What do you like about it?

The challenge part of it, the hard to remember in the lines, the delivering the dialogue, and just the whole process of it. It's fun. So is that what you enjoy most now post fighting is acting? Yeah, I also enjoy racing and still the shooting competition because that gives me the competition itch that I'm looking for. But as far as the structure of life and having to perform, yeah, I like the acting side. Yeah, well, that's, I mean, it seems like I said, you got the look. If you got the skill, you got, I mean, people.

Now I got the steroids and put the size on. I know you're jacked, dude. I mean, you definitely are bigger. So you're like 200 and what? 212. 212. And you used to fight at 55. 55.

I'd walk around 172, 173. You were using my weight. I'd be all the time. I'd go buy all new clothes, pants, underwear. Holy fuck. Yeah. You got a bigger dick? Yeah.

Pugure dick. Just fucking. I was where I was injecting the steroids. I didn't know. I didn't read it right in your dick. Yeah. Put it right in your dick. It didn't say that on there.

But I just tried it. And it worked. I think that's a good approach. Yeah. I like it. Let's see. So this is from a Dale Brisby. Oh, God.

Yeah. Why is Dale Brisby's hair better than yours, Cowboy? Well, right now it is. Yeah. But in six months, it won't be. Okay. I went and got my hair done. Yeah.

But it all falls out. Like, it grew in and now it all falls out because of the, of the roots or whatever. And now they're like. So a transplant? Transplant? I went down to turkey and got it done. Oh, really? For Hollywood.

Yes, like right here and here. Like, it all fell out now, but there are little stubles in there again. So in like six months I should have a full fobby old motherfucker set of hair. Yeah. Yeah. And then you'll get in Dale's face with your hair. Just fucking let it rain. Yeah.

I like that. Another one from I get, maybe it's a different Dale Brisby, but it says, are you ready to get whipped by Dale Brisbane? Yeah, I can't wait. Those kids are in for a treat. What a treat. So is this, is this like a fundraising thing? What's the, what's the point to the fight? Or is it just to entertain the kids at your camp?

I mean, Dale wants to do it. So just, yeah, not so much fundraising, more just, uh, entertainment for the kids. Oh, they'll love it. Yeah, just put it on it. They'll, because when, um, Dale shows up for a camp, he'll get, you know, 10 to 12 kids. He'll mentor. He's with them, the entire group. So they'll, like, train with him and get them ready.

And then my kids will be with me. and then we'll have a little skirmish. I love it. I love it. Well, this one here, I like this one. It says, and it kind of inspires me to ask another question, but it says, what makes a champion? And I would just say, who's worked the hardest of somebody who's you've trained with?

I mean, who stands out to you? Wow, that's an interesting question. First off, what makes a champion, I think, is, as we speak, spoke earlier about the guy who wakes up and does it even when. No excuses. No excuses. Right. Right.

He's sore. He's tired. He still gets up and he still does it. And who could I say that demonstrated that the best through my years, probably Tim Kennedy? Really? Yeah. I've never seen anybody train like him in my life. Sometimes too much.

Yeah. Overtrained. Even a day when I go out. down. Oh, God. Like, even a day when I go down to Austin, he come in and work now, he trained in the morning, jihitsy afternoon. Like, he just, his dad dude's worth ethic is

on a completely another level. Yeah, and he's talented too. Extremely on, on ever. I couldn't imagine being in a hand-to-hand any kind of fight with him with jiu-jitsu involved. I see him doing these classes where he gives the guys like a knife and a gun. He's like, oh my God. I've

I've grappled with a guy with just my teeth and I wish I had bigger ones, you So I could have had to give him another one. But yeah, if I had somebody who is the man, they say they are, is Tim. Yeah. Yeah. He really, what he preaches, he is. He had that fight against, I think it was Yol L. Romero, where they kind of bought some time in the corner, spilled some ice or something.

Right. I'd probably give Romero some more recovery. Sure. And Tim was probably going to win. I know that he talks about that in his book, that fight was pretty, pretty, frustrated. I'm pretty sure it was Romero. Do you remember it? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Tim. Yeah. I mean, what a and it also goes to show you how hard that sport is. I mean, look at, look at Tim, like a decorated assassin, right? Like the dude's just a born killer. Yeah, black belt. And just,

and then you're like, if you, if you, if Tim walked in here and we did any kind of training or any kind of anything, you'd be like, there's no way I would ever fight this guy. Like, that's the guy I want to go to war. That's a machine. Yeah. And then you're like, man, there's people that can be. him. Yeah. It's insane, right? Yeah. So, like, yeah, Tim to me, he's like one of my heroes for sure.

Yeah. No, I know. He said next time I go to Austin and don't call him, he's going to kick my ass. Like, he wants to train. He'll probably mean that. Yeah, he'll, hell for sure. I'm a little nervous to train with him, though. The workout outside, you get, I mean, if you're ready to puke of brains out, that's,

that's what he wants to do. Yeah. Yeah. He pushes so hard. Yeah. I'm hoping we can get on the mound and I can take a little bit edge off him running. There you go. I mean, I mean, you'll be impressed.

So get ready. If you get Tim to come here, yeah. For sure, get ready to do a fucking marathon. Okay. Yeah, I mean,

I would already have that scheduled. At least, at least a halfer. Okay. And then run the hill. You know what I mean? And carry the rock. Yeah,

and he'll do it. Yeah, he's a fucking psycho. So I wouldn't be ready for that. And then maybe, then maybe I could get a little bit closer and some of the other stuff, but I got to take a lot of edge off of them first.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I think he shoots a bow, too. I don't know. I'd imagine he shoots everything. Well, we'll imagine. We'll get a good at throwing knives too, you know what I mean? Wayne will get him dialed in on his technique. Let's see.

How about what sets you apart from the next guy that gives you the anytime anywhere mentality? I think I just created it. Again, when I said I would fight anyone anywhere, when they would call me, I would literally take any fight. Like I was never a time. I was like, ooh, him was,

did you worry about weight class? I mean, they would always call me for one weight class above me or mine. Like they would never call me for some crazy fight. But I was just always the guy that they would call

and I would agree to the fight out. And now you hear these people talk about it and say it. And they're like, they just say it. Yeah. They don't mean it. Right. Yeah.

And I'm not worried about another person coming and taking that role. Someone will because there'll be another crazy fucker out there. But until then, you know? Yeah. No, I understand.

It's, you know, I think I remember watching one of the first UFC's and the whole weight class thing. That was when, was it Gracie versus? Who did he fight that big guy? That big ass black dude. Yeah. I don't know what, I remember what his name is. But yeah, he knocked his tooth out. Yeah.

I mean, and that's kind of where he was the guy who is before weight classes, but you're like, holy shit, this jujitsu is the real deal. Unbelievable. Yeah. Because side to side, you'd think, oh, there's no way. But that, that's kind of what. woke everybody up on the ground or I mean not ground a pound but yeah ground game um cowboy going to take on Jake Paul um so there's been talk about this and I've had different calls about boxing and other fights and I said no yeah yeah we talked about this my first got here

yeah like yeah they just nah not not not there not not not enough in sinning you know if jake want to do something in mama yeah sure i'd go out there maybe maybe i don't know you know it has to be a big paycheck it'd be a big paycheck and it really all of everything would have to align you know but am i out there calling the dude out searching for it and not really no no i don't i i don't blame me i mean like like we've talked about what else do you have to prove right you know and it's like you have money you have i don't know i i don't blame you for who cares yeah okay If you beat Jake Paul, what difference does that make?

Sure. You know, unless you're making $5 million or something to do it. But you've competed with the best in the world at what you do. At the highest level. Yeah. And did you win a championship in Strike Force? Nope, never did Strike Force. I went from WC to UFC.

Okay. So straight to UFC. So Stripe Force back in the day is kind of like Bellator is now. And they just kind of also took that one over. So I never went strike force. I was just WC and then to UFC. Oh, but what about WC? No, no, never, never won a belt.

Really? Okay. Well, you were, I mean, you had the most wins in the UFC. Yes, for sure. But I mean, I just, whenever it came time for the shit or get off the pot, I just would get off the pot. Tough fucking job, dude. I mean, you're a legend in the toughest, or the toughest job there is. Thank you.

We'll do one more here. How do you shift, so this is a good one to end it on, how do you shift between fight mode and regular life mode? I wonder of that question referring to while I was in training. I don't know. I think it's just like, you know, when you're a fighter, that's kind of your identity. Right. And so now how does that switch? Because it seems like fighting would provide an outlet for something in you.

Like you made the competition, you know you're going to have one of the hardest battles of your life. and now you don't do you just redirect that effort yes so that mindset kind of a funny question but I'll answer it two ways like the first time is it I don't ever put him away he's always there that guy is in me yeah so like especially when I'm doing the acting it's like the backstory too like you said that if you're playing a role you create this backstory so that's your backstory obviously and I don't have to pretend like a lot of these actors have to pretend to be the big badass badass i'm already that guy so i don't have to that'll show right in me right and so i don't ever put him away like i don't flex on it and and bar fight and street fight anymore

but motherfucker wants a road rage with me it'll come out that's the one thing you know what i mean but other than that i'm pretty pretty calm with stuff i see it because when you pulled in the driveway yesterday or in the house in the bow rack that you are the fucking man I mean, so I think there's credence to what you're saying because I see it. I'm like how you walk, how you carry yourself, you're the fucking badass. I mean, so it's like it's that is there. Right. I mean, that's who you are.

So that makes a lot of sense to me. Actually, in seeing you first. At home, yeah. At home I don't really, I don't put it away. I just, just hush it up a little bit. Yeah. I understand. Yeah.

Well, I don't know. I've been a, I've been a huge fan for many years. it's been a great honor for you to come in here, lift-runch you with me, and then to be able to talk to you and hear these stories and ask questions, dude, it means, I can't tell you how much this means to me.

Thank you. I'm honored to be here. Oh, well, I was in this with, we have a brand new, keep hammering Hoyt right here for you. Oh, yeah. That's the one that you set records with. Yeah, you set records.

You made magic happen in the dark last night. 102 yards just laying them in there so this is your bow it's been in like I said it's been an honor and watching you shoot it so well was very gratifying for me so cowboy thank you very much thank you very much for it will get use and played with well we're sure kill a bear too that is also gonna happen okay I'm bringing a uh side arm and a knife just for to be clear okay well that well actually in Canada you can't Can't have a side arm. Oh.

So we might have to, yeah. I don't have to drive in. We can have knives, though. We can have knives, though. Big ass spear. Yeah. Perfect. All right, brother.

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