Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 020 - Nedd Brockmann

Episode Date: April 26, 2023

Nedd Brockmann, 24-year-old, endurance icon ran across his home country of Australia in 46-days, 12-hours and raised over $2-million to help the homeless.    Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com   Connect with Ned Brockmann : https://www.instagram.com/neddbrockmann/?hl=en   Thank you to our sponsors: Santa Cruz Medicinals: scmedicinals.com use code KeepHammering for 15% off Ketone IQ: https://hvmn.com/CAM use code CAM for 20% Black Buffalo: https://blackbuffalo.com/discount/CAM use code CAM for 15% off MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping First Light: https://www.firstlight.farm/ Use Code Cam15 for 15% off your first order Leupold: https://www.leupold.com/ Black Rifle: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv Bass Pro/Cabelas: https://www.basspro.com Manscaped : https://www.manscaped.com use code Hammering for 20% off and free shipping Timestamps:  0:00 Introduction 2:29 50 marathons in 50 days  3:34 desire and change 4:38 Fuck it, if they can do it, I can do it  9:26 Training for 62 miles per day  12:28 How to make decisions  13:00 People shitting on your dreams  18:30 People who support your dreams 24:20 Nedd’s parents as role models 26:10 New generation vs old generation 28:40 Perspective gained from doing difficult things 31:30 What it takes to begin running across Australia 35:40 Young people doing hard things 38:50 Are Australians especially tough? 44:05 What’s next after you run across Australia? 46:52 We come with nothing, we leave with nothing 53:00 Success vs failure 54:20 The positive side of social media 55:24 Suffering makes people honest 56:04 Rich Roll  57:30 What it was like to finish running across Australia 1:07:10 What it’s like to be recognizable 1:08:45 What’s Israel Adesanya like 1:15:00 What Nedd thinks of the Lift Run Shoot Experience 1:16:20 Rich Roll and podcasting opportunities 1:18:50 Who would you like to train with? 1:20:30 What’s next? 1:21:50 Normal people doing things above the norm.  1:25:20 Wrap up and Nedd talk quickly about hunting

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I'm good, man. It's good to be here. We've had a very good day, haven't we? Oh, it's been an epic day. It's, you know, long way from Australia, huh? you ever think you'd be to Oregon and do a lift run shoot with me? I thought I'd probably be over here, but I didn't know about a lift run shoot. But yeah, it's good to tick it off in one day.

Yeah. I think we literally started as of 1201 this morning and got into it. Yeah. And it's what time is it now? So it's, we'll be done here probably about six. So that's 18 straight hours of grinding. Hammer. And we started off with a nice 37 mile run.

Yeah, just a nice easy. We got a few road miles and then into the hills, into the mountains. Did a little warm up, got a 20-something miles on the flat kind of and then started grinding up the hill. Yeah, you burn me up the hills. I'm not too accustomed to the hills yet. But I mean, in relax mode, not relax mode, but recovery mode still. Yeah.

That's my excuse. I mean, it's a great excuse. And I want to touch on that. So you're in recovery mode from running across Australia. Yeah. Yeah, I'm about six months post, but yeah, running across Australia will cook you when you run 100K a day. Yeah. Yeah, I'm still dealing with some adrenal fatigue, you know, kind of physical injuries from belly button down.

Pretty well had tendonitis and bursitis in everything from my hips down. And yeah, still trying to navigate that the best way I can with, you know, doing the things I want to do that, you know, probably isn't the normal day to day. everyone but it's um yeah trying to navigate that who wants to be like anyone else right i mean we're trying to be one-on-one exactly and i will say i've just been so impressed with your journey as a young man 24 years old now when you ran across australia you're 23 right yeah and uh you know i started following you i didn't know how did you come across the the run i don't know i mean but even before that i didn't know you had done 50 marathom 50 days.

Yeah, yep. And that's kind of what kind of puts you on the map a little bit as far as endurance, right? Yeah, definitely. I, um, yeah, I was working, uh, seven to three as an electrician, not a, I don't know, Sparky's a American term. Um, yeah, and I would, I would go to work for my eight, nine hours and then, uh, pack up the tools, head home, um, head out the door about four o'clock in the afternoon, go and run, uh, 26.2 miles, 40, 42K.

And yeah, go home. finish it would I would finish anywhere from 9 p.m. to 11 p.m. get get in bed go again wake up go to work do it all again 50 days so that was um I think that kind of instilled a bit of belief that I could run a whole lot more in a day if I was you know working for nine hours I could definitely run for those nine hours and right you know why not run 100 K a day what what um inspired the 50 marathon and 50 days yeah I think it kind of came from there's a few things but I think originally it was the desire to push myself. And I think that came from initially a weight loss journey.

You know, I wasn't morbidly obese. I was just my body was symbolic where my life was heading. And I just went, I've got to do something about this. This is like, I know how to train. I know how to eat well. Why are you not doing it? Why are you living just another life? Like why are you not taking the opportunity that you have?

And yeah, I just kind of went with it. And I just started banging out miles and realized I could do it quite well. And yeah, just did this gradual every second run I would do. I would run an extra two kilometers on top of each. And then it ended up in about a space of four months running from 3K to 100K run. And then I went, fuck, I'm pretty naive. I'm pretty stubborn as well. So I stuck it out.

And yeah, that kind of led to me wanting to do the 50 marathon. Well, so you got the 50 marathon. those days, but you said, where did that idea come from? Yeah. I mean, just came out of thin air? No, no, no, I definitely heard. I heard Dean Carnasus, he's American.

Yeah, yeah. I heard that he had done it in 50 states of America in 50 days. And then the Iron Cowboy did that iron man in each stage of each. And I heard of that and I was like, why can't I do that? That was kind of my mindset is like, if not like, oh, I couldn't do that because I'm not them. It was more, why can't I do that? they're just another person.

Right. Where have they come from that makes them special. And that was kind of this realization that, no, they're just people who've gone, fuck it, I'm going to do it. Yeah. And yeah. And so I went, why can't I do that and said, fuck it, I'm doing it. The day after I ran my first 100K, I was lying in bed, 8 a.m. in the morning.

I left 11 o'clock at night, similar to the run we just did. And got home and I was just, I was in pain, but I was in just this, like, this pride, this overwhelming emotion that came over me when I was lying in bed couldn't sleep just like I was so hungry to do something something and then I'd heard of this back in the like you know like a few weeks back and I was like fuck I could do that and then I was like but I'm gonna work fuck it I'm gonna work who's done that yeah and um you know being electrician it's not like the easiest job you can't just sit on your ass all day and recover it's like you gotta yeah you're gonna work chase concrete walls and pull cable and and I was like

I'm going to do it. I'm going to find a fucking way. And then, yeah, that's kind of how it came about. And I launched, I said I'm going to do that August 1st and then September the 1st I started it. Gotcha. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think something goes or it needs to be said that I've always too had that attitude that if a man has done it before, I feel like I could do it. Yeah. Now, if a man has never done it, then it's up for debate.

I mean, maybe a man can't do it. Yeah. But that's always been the kind of. kind of the distinctive line of hasn't been done okay we'll see why can't I yeah and I like that and then so then you did Australia and that had been done before too yeah it had and so I'd heard basically I heard that it was 67 days the record and I went to my mate Tom who I talked to you about this morning and he is a bit sick in the head and he goes what is the like what is the actual record have we looked that up yeah um and I was like because I had heard someone like Pete

Costal Nick, he has run across America, 107 kilometers a day, 114 even, which is a lot of fucking colors. And yeah, not easy. And I was like, well, if he can do that across America, why can't someone do that across Australia? So I looked up and I heard this record of 43 days, still yet to be confirmed. Is that like, you know, how they have that FKT site? Is that what that is? Yeah, supposedly, but it's not actually on there. It's just like, anyway, I'm not going to get into that. Okay. But this is what I heard, 43 days. And I was like, right, what's the, did the math and basically west to east these 4,000 kilometers. If I can do it 100K a day, 40 days,

you myself three days leeway. And yeah, it was kind of just like we're sitting in the pub having a chicken sitsel for lunch. And he goes, why don't you do that? Why don't you go all out? And I was just like ponded it for two days. I went, yeah, let's do it.

And that was literally it. It was like, well, these blokes have done it. Why can't I do it? And yeah. And then it was just set in stone from basically December of 2020. and then I kind of got quite injured throughout 2021.

I had a few like, you know, I felt like I was Superman after running 50 marilyn, 50 days, you feel you can take on the world and being quite young and quite new to the sport, you know, you need load, you need to build that up. But I was quite stubborn with all that and just thought I could run, you know, ridiculous distances, wake up the next day, go again.

And it just, but that's, I'm so glad I've gone, gone through that at this age. Like, you know, being 22 and going, I've done these crazy things. Now I've been hurt. Great. Now I've got this background of knowledge to go, cool. I'm fucking 25 now, or 24, 25.

I'm not going to do that again. I'm going to do it smart. I'm going to do it with a better idea behind it. Were you working during that time when you were hurt? Yeah. Okay. You're still working. I'm still working.

And then, yeah, and I worked all the way up. And so I launched my run on like a news station in Australia on April 1st in 2022, just to put it out there. He'd try and get sponsors in my budgy smugglers and socks under today show. That was a pretty funny one. And yeah, basically I worked all the way up until start of July and started the cross-country run in September.

Yeah, so all the training for that wasn't probably the best way to do it. But that's the thing. I was like, you've got to make time. You've just got to find a way out to do it. Yeah, so what did your training consist of to prepare your body for 62 miles a day? Yeah, it was a... again, I didn't really, I had a coach, but he's never coached for that.

So it was a bit like, you know, we were kind of working together. And he was, he was more holding me back because he knew I wanted to go and go and go. Right. And I'll inevitably probably get injured prior to starting. And that was not the plan. And so to be honest, it was a lot of mindset stuff, just like every time I thought of the ice bath, go up in the ice bath. So I think it was intentionally putting myself in uncomfortable situations,

every time I could so that when I was in the situation on the run, which I knew I was going to be in, that after day one I was going to be in some fucked up pain. I knew I would be, my head would be okay with it. Sure, my body might not, but that will follow when your head is sweet. I think when you let your head and that idea of what's ahead of you creep in, it can be quite overwhelming.

But because, you know, in the lead up from basically, well, probably for the last four years I've been like that. I've been like, how do I get uncomfortable here? so that when I get out of it, I've grown and I've become more adapted and whatever. And yeah, so it was more just like ice baths, a lot of strength training. I was in the gym four times a week doing solid league training. And I, yeah, my mileage wasn't up to where it probably was meant to be. What was it at do you think?

Probably 50 miles, so max 80K a week. I did one week at 300K and just to kind of simulate what a hundred. 100k in a day would look like. The last time I did that was in 2020. Right. I just said I'm going to do it for 40 days in a row. So it was pretty, pretty shitted. Yeah, and we kind of, I kind of just went with it.

And when I wasn't feeling great, I would go and hop on the bike or I'd walk or I'd, you know, walk with a pack on, walk hills. But yeah, I just kind of found a way. Yeah, because there's no, I mean, you can go on the internet right now and say, I need a marathon training program. And it'll give you a 12 week. Yeah, or a 16 week or whatever week. You can tell you exactly what to do. Yeah.

But there is nothing you can. Well, how do I train up to run across Australia? Yeah. I mean, it's never going to happen. And it was funny. Like, I had, I had a, what I found quite wild was when I said I was going to do it, the amount of people that reached out saying they could help. And I'm sitting there like, why would I take help from someone who has never done

on what I'm about to do? Yeah. And I remember my par, my grandfather, he just go, I remember it's clear his day, him going, never. ever take advice from someone that hasn't done what you're about to do right hasn't done what you're trying to do and i was like yeah what the fuck you doing like someone oh yeah i know i've coached you know marathoners and so i would be really it's like no you just want your fucking name yeah beside mine when i get it done and um yeah it was it was crazy how many people came out of the woodwork when it was it was like that and um but yeah again i just exactly that there's no there's no real

blueprint it's just find a way and i think with making decision on doing something that's where i kind of thrive when you're up in the air about you know oh start day don't really know um i want to do this but i don't really know i actually just like make the decision i go right i'm going to run across australia i'm going to set the date september the first and i think like the decision thing is like when you say you're going to do something you commit to it right and that's just how it has kind of always been for me and so you know i didn't have the best lead up um for the run but I just knew September the first was it. Let's get to the start date and you'll find a way because it means enough to.

Did people try to shit on your dream or your goal? Tell you it's not smart, tell you you need more time. Actually more so in the 50 marathons. Really? Yeah. I had a sports, I know he's like a pharmacist, but doctor pharmacist. And he rang me up, got my number through a family friend. And he goes, what you're trying to do is physically impossible.

I've spoken to four health professionals, and they said, there is no way. And I went, all good. I'll call you on day 50. And then, yeah, sure enough, day 50, I called him up. Hey, mate, Snodrockin, how are you going? Do you've seen the news? Yeah. That felt pretty good.

No, it was a bit like, oh, yeah. He didn't apologize, didn't say anything. But, like, for me, and he also wanted to donate, he was also like, I'll donate if you run one marathon a week for 50 weeks. I'm like, fuck me, dead. How long are you got? Like, I do that in training, you dumb. Like you're fucking...

Why is he watering down this big goal? I don't know. Because he wants to... I think he wanted to put his name with the donation, but didn't want to back something where I might hurt myself. Right. And so he's like, I can't have my name to something. I'm like, I don't want your donation then.

Yeah. I'll let the other, you know, 37,000 that donate. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So that and I had a few people like, I had a lot of, like, I'm kind of in a bit of a...

I would say a friendship. Like, I'm pretty good being on my own. with like I don't need to be in groups of friends I'm pretty like a lone wolf in a way I've got a partner but I have really close friends but I don't have a lot and it was kind of this especially after 50 just like this removing away like moving away and like realizing they're actually not a lot of people probably aren't there for the right reasons and I think there was this this kind of transition happened through all that as well which was pretty pretty powerful because it kind of brought it out But yeah, there's always people who say you can't do that because they're putting their own limits on you.

It's a reflection of them. Yeah. And I love it. If someone tells me I can't do it, it's like, fuck yeah. Yeah. Write it up on the wall. What did he say? What's his name?

When was it? Literally got to fuck you all in the next to my bed. And just, yeah, literally uses fuel. Any fuel's good fuel, I reckon. I think so. Yeah. I mean, I feel the same way. I've never done anything like that.

But I've had my own dreams and goals. You know, there's always people who, I mean, if you dream big enough, there's going to be people who, I guess, champion your cause. A few maybe close, but most of them will shit on it because it's like, they won't say it,

but they're thinking or internalizing, how is this going to impact me and what I'm doing? Or is this going to make me look bad? Yeah. You know, because people, especially like when you come from a certain area and people are from that same area and they can't say,

why I never had a chance to make it out because of, you know, just X, Y, Z. Yeah. But then you do. It's, it, it reflects on them. Yeah. No. Look at the shit. This guy's doing.

What are you doing? Yeah. And so, I mean, it's always going to happen. 100%. It's like, and I don't know, in Australia, it's pretty, that tall poppy syndrome. I think when you start doing something good, they want to bring you back. So you're not too getting up there. Yeah.

You know, my buddy, I've mentioned him to you just because it seems like he's, he's from Australia, you're from Australia, I don't know why you don't know him. I mean, who is it? Did I say, I don't know? Adam Green,

I've definitely, he's on Rogan, wasn't he? Yeah, he was, but doesn't everybody in Australia know each other, right? I mean,

there's not that little of us. There's still 28 million. Oh, yeah, whatever. I mean, in like your community, yeah,

pretty well. Yeah. Oh, before I forget. Yeah, I was going to mention that. I'm kind of, you know,

we've had a long day. So this is supposed to help us be smarter. Yeah. I don't know how we're going so far. Ketone IQ. Cheers. Cheers, mate. Yeah.

I'm excited for this. How'd that taste? Like I'm about to get a 10, a 10 higher IQ? 10 plus. Yeah, we're off zero a. I mean, it's not like, it's not cricket. It's not Kool-Aid. Do you have Kool-Aid there?

No. Kool-Aid is basically like colored water or sugar in it. Like when you were kids, drink Kool-Aid and then you drink it and have a big like purple smiley face. I still make them a skink a little bit. It's all right. But for whatever reason, I drink these every day. So I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going to switch me on here.

I'm excited. Yeah. I mean, it's, like a little rush. Yes. I mean, I can't drink Mountain Dew all day every day because it tastes good. Yeah. But I drink these because I think, I'm like, you know what? I think this does help me maybe.

No sugar, no caffeine, vegan, no salt. Jesus. We probably need a bit of salt. Yeah, well, so going back to well, okay, the tall poppy syndrome, Adam does mention that. Yeah. And talking about it. And he's had the same struggles as you, like, because he's been a very successful bow hunter. And people, some people, not everybody, love knocking successful people down.

So he's dealt with that. And, you know, I think that's, we don't call it tall poppy syndrome here. What do you guys call it? Hators. Yeah. haters. Yeah. Yeah. But, so anyway, kudos to you for dreaming big. Um, thank you. You know, it's a, you're around the same age as my, my boys and they have the same type of goals as you. You know, I mean, and I've just tried to encourage that sounds like your parents did too. And

definitely your friend Tom, is that right? Yeah. So he probably's always been, you know, had your back, right? Yeah. We actually, I actually met Tommy as of day one of the 50 marathons or like a, little bit before but we kind of bonded over it's like certain energies i think people that do these things have yeah and like when i was telling you when i met goggins it was a bit like this mutual understanding yeah um and the same with tom i think we just clicked like that because i knew he's like my person because we're like the same kind of almost wide i guess um yeah and that those friendships i think form very quickly because there's already the the shallow stuff is gone.

Yeah. Like you, you just become like your, you know, best mate for 10 years. And does he do extreme challenges and things like this? Yeah. He,

he actually ran top to bottom of the UK. He was the youngest to ever do it at 18. How far is that? It's about 1600, no, yeah, 1600K, um, a thousand mile for you,

if you're listening at home. We've been, we've struggled with, uh, the conversion. Yeah. from metrics to pounds to kilowatts. I just asked for pound and I'll give it back to him in kilo.

Yeah, he did that at 18. He averaged 45 to like 65K a day. That's pretty good. Yeah, especially at 18. And then he did the Arctic 6633 Ultra about two months ago. It's about, sorry, a bit of a cold. No, it's okay. Um, it's, yeah, it's a 380 mile, uh, run through basically the most northern part of

Canada. Um, it's like minus 60 degrees. The ice road trains, um, wind gusts of, you know, ridiculousness. And yeah, he's like, mate, I'm going to, I'm going to break this record about 24 hours. And I was like, I bet you are. And so he was trained. And he's gone for like, you know, 80, 90K walks are lasting 24 hours each day. And just like, but that, that inspires me, like, knowing he's going out there doing that it's like and I would get messages on the run when I was down and out like I had days out there where um I probably wasn't in the right head space I've probably forgotten why I was out there and you know things were just getting pretty haywire and I'd just get a message off tom a big old you know mega paragraph saying and it's just like oh yeah that's right

this re um alignment of where I'm actually why I'm here get your focus back yeah um and so yeah having him and there's been and yeah and my my family as well my dad similar to you just shows up every single day there's never been i think i don't know if it's purpose but it's it's uh it's having a why in in that you know for us kids you want to use a future a future he never had um he you know grew up not getting paid off his dad and would sheer sheep on the weekends to make his money became very good at shearing and then um out the farm and expanded and he um yeah every day just like debt and trying to send us all kids away to school and um unbeknownst to me at the time i just thought he was that's what fathers do right

yeah they just get up show up they don't say a thing they just get home go again go again and yeah it probably took me till midway through high school um we were in severe drought we had had rained for four years um out on the farm and you know when you're a lot of dollars in debt and it's not raining and you're trying to feed cattle and they're an eighth of the price they are now feeds five times as much as it should be and you know you just hear the tractor go out at 3.30, 4 o'clock in the morning

you know, oh, your dad's on it again, come home and when you speak to him it would be, hey, go on dad, yeah, good mate, all good, knowing that there's more behind there now but at the time was like... When did you learn, realize all that? I think my first year out of high school, I remember mum coming in when I was at high school because they sent us away to boarding school

where they pay for us to go there like a fair bit of money at the time too and it was a big sacrifice and we were just you know ready kids going away to school you know getting homesick and thinking it's a fucking you know fun little time and I remember mum coming in just like

hopped on my bed and just cried and cried and cried and I was what's going on and she's like I'm going to have to call the principal and try and work something out because we can't like yeah the money we are making needs to be to other things. We can't. Hopefully we can sort something out.

And then my year out of high school, I remember coming back to the farm and working for the year. And I could not believe how hard he worked, because I went every day with him. And so at 6 o'clock we'd be out, oh, well, earlier than that, but he would be out early than that. I'd be up at six. That was very early for me at the time. And yeah, we'd be out the door all day.

Go do this. Come to here. We're going to go do this. Doing the cattle, marking this. And I'm like, when does this play? something he just didn't did for the whole year um and that just was like he's done this every single fucking goddamn day so we could have a future he never had he's never he never had an education he left school at 15 his education was nothing all he's ever known is to sell cattle buy sell cattle

um yeah i i get teary every time we're talking about because it's just this it's devotion to something greater than yourself well you know parents are supposed to be selfless and sacrifice for their kids but not all do. No. And not all to that level. Yeah. A lot of parents kind of over-celebrate what they do. Yeah.

And they say, well, I deserve to do this now because I do that. I work for my family. Yeah, so I should be able to reap it, reap the rewards. Right, right. And it sounds like your dad just is as selfless as they come. Yeah. And so, and mom as well, like, you know, they were never. We were never friends.

Like we weren't, mom and dad, we weren't friends with them. They wanted us to be good people that came up in this world that gave back. That had, you know,

that actually did stuff with their life. Right. With the opportunities they've been given. We've been given. It was never like, you know, they didn't want us to like them. They wanted us to respect them.

Respect them and be good people. And if you fuck up, you fuck up, you fuck up, own it. Yeah. And I'm, at the time, it was always,

you know, I'd always be, why can't I drink? why can't I go over here? Why do I have to come, you know, but when you know what that took for them to do that and actually let us down or at the time when it felt like that, it was, yeah, now you can reflect and go,

holy shit, like I'm pretty proud to have those people as role models. And they've definitely shaped me in the way, you know, they've given me that ability to think and, you know, push for more and want more. Yeah, so I'm pretty They're pretty big role models Yeah Do you know

Knowing that now and being a kid Kids don't you know they don't have perspective Really is you know the whole Whole world revolves around them Yeah I'm sure they're very proud of you now And I mean you're doing amazing things Looking back now do you have

Do you Did you disappoint them ever I think you and now you're like you look back and ask yourself why i don't think i i think i i think dad had a preconceived idea of wanting us to make sure we get a trade or make sure we um you know have security but i think that's that generation so like you know make sure you've got the um you know you'd be able to earn 90 grand year doing this um that'll be able to set you up to here and do this make sure you buy house make sure you do this

And I think like, especially this day and age, it's like, that's not how it's heading. You need, like it needs to be, I mean, I know this financial security and whatever, but for me, I think it was always, he was always like, why you, where, how are you going to make money running? Yeah. How are you going to make money? Yeah, you're not being practical. Yeah, like this doesn't make sense. You can't do that.

Go buy house. And I'm like, no, my money's actually going to go into this. I'm going to invest in this. And I don't, it wasn't about not, uh, I think you just wanted to know that I was investing in something. putting him to use. You wanted to feel good about your decisions. Yeah, yeah.

And going, oh, he's okay, knowing that that's what he's done for me for the last 25 years. You want your kids to be happy. You want them to have a job that they're going to have their bills paid, have a nice car or a dependable car. So, yeah, having a crazy dream, like, running. Yeah. He's like, how's that going to, like, you know, you're going to have to, when are you going to go back to work?

I'm like, well, I won't. I won't have to. Like, I'm setting this up so this doesn't have to happen, right? And yeah, I've had, I can't tell you, I've had 10 phone calls where I'm away in Sydney, he's at home and he's just like, so, you know, there's a house. I'm like, just get the picture right now, mate. Like, I'm not buying a fucking house anytime soon. Let's just, and they're like, he gets it when I go, mate, just trust me.

And I want to, I want to one day just go, right, mate, here's your old, the Mustang you bought back in 19803, you know, and go, it's all yours. That's, that's what I want to do. just so he goes oh cool yeah um i don't think like i don't think i ever disappointed them i think i think yeah i think kids just try and find yourself right yeah um i think and that perspective thing too as well like i think a lot of people still think the world revolves around them um to the point where that's why we're all so fucking heads up our ass yeah um and that's hard to be around i think when you do have that perspective when you do go

through things and we talked about this this morning in the run you know you do hard things and you do things that make you uncomfortable and they make you grow and then you go why would you complain about this why why are you worried and I think yeah that that perspective from doing um you know whether it is running across the country or it's a big you know big day lifting from fucking um you know it's that yeah it's it's a it's a hard thing to navigate when you have you know like as with dad it's like he can't stand like i i remember coming home being like oh you know this is happening at school this is that like imagine like hearing that with that you know but at the time you go and they they go oh yeah mate that's great you would listen yeah and that's like that's mental to me

and not tell not tell you that doesn't matter yeah it has nothing to do with anything oh yeah and they'll just you'll find out you know what i mean yeah well i mean so what now i mean now they must your vision has come definitely to fruition yeah and so now what do they say yeah i think dad's just ringing up going what's happening today what's happening this way he's excited i've got a keynote here got this here he goes oh good on you mate um yeah it's good and he what was powerful was they were both on the run with me um so dad for the first time in his life spent more than two weeks away from the farm um and yeah got to spend 47 days out in the run um he's they were they were pivotal in the run definitely

making it happen but he he would drive every 20k so 20k what's that in miles 32 12 miles right oh yeah 12 sorry 12.4 nice nice um yeah so he would he would drive 12.4 mile mom would cook I would get there dad would watch Netflix 20k 12.6 mile 12 6 mile 12 6 mile up until the 100 and that was it that was his day so good were they was you know how normally a day Dad is kind of hard. A mom is more supportive. Really? Yeah.

Mom's the reprimander, the disciplinary. Keeps you on task. Yeah. I remember dad smacked me once when I was like nine in the back of the car and I was like, what are you doing? This isn't your thing to do. This is mom. Mums are, yeah, literally.

Mum's as tough as they come. Really? Yeah. She's the, not the balls, but she's got the eyes that make you go, Oh, shit. Oh, no. Yeah. No, dad, I don't reckon, other than that one time,

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driving and doing all that, but did you ever need them for pep talk? Mom was instrumental in that run so mom mom didn't arrive till day three and you know 300k in we've run through um it was 1,200 meters so about four and a half thousand elevation on the first day first 100k um out of perth so that was fucked and then that next day my knees were busted it was it was go time right we got to the end of day three like no washings happened had been raining all day day three uh food like we didn't know where food was coming from it was all starting to get pretty die we hadn't even left bloody you know town of perth yeah barely got started Literally. And mum had,

mum's flight had been cancelled. So they had to put a whole other flight, Contus flight to, to Perth. And they got an air tasker to drive them out from, I don't know if you have air tasker in here. No, it's just like a, it's like an app where you can apply and just do random ass jobs and people accept and they'll do it.

Okay. So they air tasked mum, drive them out like this random freaking town in WA. And I remember that night, because it was severe headwinds, 50k an hour headwinds all day, raining all day. And I just didn't think it would get worse than day two because it was just headwinds.

And then it would just sweltering rain as well. Oh, man. And I remember on my Strava when it posted the run, I was like, come at me, W.A. storms. I am the motherfucking storm. Just like, I was like, you know, I wanted everything to come at me because I was like, what's going to stop me?

Right. And then mum rocked up with my physio. And she just goes, you are the fucking storm. And it was like this, she was there and just started putting out fires. So then she started doing all like organizing and cleaning, organizing where the food's coming from, organizing what dad has to do, organizing Brad, organizing all these people. And it was just like this order straight away.

Because I think we're all just running on adrenaline going, we need to get Ned helped. And yeah, as soon as mom rocked up, it was like, okay, this is what we're doing. I'll cook 20, 40, 60, 80K. And when you get to the 80 kilometer mark, you run off, we'll go to the nearest roadhouse where we're staying that night. we'll get the food organized we get the bed ready we get the ice done and it was like yeah and you never talked about that before not once she came up with that yeah it was like she's just this

army fucking leader who's just gone right up yeah could have been in general sounds honestly mate like yeah she's some people just have that vision on what it's going to take yeah and i remember this is funny this is on that as well yeah she's she's a hundred percent like that um we got today uh 15 i had a pretty bad injury I got back. I don't know if we want to talk about that, but we got back. We drove 14 hours to get this injection, drove 14 hours back,

and that next two days, around 200 kilometers with this leg that basically wasn't working. And I was taking it out on everyone. I was like fucking angry. Like I was frustrated. I was, yeah, I was turning on everyone. And I remember pulling up, I'd swore it my girlfriend told her to fuck off.

And, you know, it was getting pretty bad out there because there was nothing around. and we hopped in the van and mom goes like the eyes goes don't ever fucking speak to your girlfriend like that don't ever speak to us like that and I was like holy shit but I remember after that I was like why is mom being so like because she was so worried that my girlfriend would leave my photographer would leave my videographer would leave

and it would just be me and dad mom and dad and she was so worried about that because she's like I was never going to leave you but I thought these guys were all going to leave because you were being so yeah and then we would to mean shot and so mom like in a roundabout way. Putting out fires. Yeah. Literally putting out fires. Yeah.

And I didn't know that until schedule fires. Yeah. Like personal fires. Literally. Yeah. It was unbelievable. And so yeah, without them. And then almost also my girlfriend Gemma, she was like incredible out there.

She was literally my PA basically. She would organize every single thing charge, every watch, every phone. Get the food ready. Come and like it was very helpful. I was very lucky. I was, uh, to have an awesome team. I can't remember when I started following along.

I remember it because you followed me and it was day seven. Day seven. Yeah. And I remember my physio going, wait, Cam Hayes just followed you. And I was like, fuck yeah.

Of course he is. Literally. I was like so amped up. But yeah, that was cool. That was a big fire up that day. That was, I mean,

I don't know if I hadn't seen it and then heard about it. Then I was like, wait, what's this kid doing? And it was like, it was pretty, because to me, I've been around so much.

it's not the young guys doing crazy stuff. It's the old guys who have went through the storms of life. Yeah, a bit of a mid-life cross. He's kicked in the balls, you know, so they know what pain is, and they know what pain's temporary. It's not the young guys don't have that perspective to know that, you know, this is just this temporary pain. Yeah.

This isn't like a divorce or losing your job or losing your house. And when you're young, you don't know that. When you're old, you know that. Yeah. And so I was like, dang. He's young. He's young. He's young.

He's young. He's young. I was just impressed because I think it's incredible because I think about if you can do this now at 23, now you're 24, what the hell are you going to do? You know, this life, if you keep taking on challenges like that and making your mark and, you know, raising the boat of possibility, who's going to follow? You know what I mean? And it's going to not only to see what you're going to be up to, but what can others do following in your wing? That's exciting to me. Fuck, yeah.

That's exciting to me. That idea of like, that's, that's why that's, it's 33% of the reason why I do it is knowing that the people who are watching go, fuck, if he can do that, he's only run for three years. What can I do? What can I go and do? How can I help? How can I be a better person? How can I add value?

How can I leave my life knowing I'd done something more than when I got here? Yeah, that's, I mean, I don't know, I'll say, I know you've only been running in a few years, but I mean, you got a lot of genetic gifts because today was pretty impressive. You ran better than I, I thought maybe we've done these long challenges. I thought, well, maybe he's just tough because there's people who are just tough, just won't quit. You know, and if you just keep going and you won't. quit. You can cover a lot distance. Yeah, for sure. So I thought, well,

maybe he's just tough. And then we ran and I was like, oh, shit. He can run too. So I mean, like with speed. And then you carried the rock and the rock all the way up. Nobody has done that other than Kip and, you know, of course, me, Tanner, and Truitt. But then you beat Kip's

time. Yes, I'm pretty proud of that one. After running an ultramarathon. Yeah. It Kipps a beast and then you beat that. And of course, shooting the bow, you you did great, pop the balloon at 100 yards. So it's like I see that, you know, you have gifts for sure. But, you know, when I see people like you achieve things and I know that kind of impact

that has on others, I wonder, I was thinking this to myself, are people in Australia just tough? Is it growing up in that country in that environment? It's a hard climate. No, I don't. It's similar to here, right? It's where you're like, no, I don't think, I don't believe so. No.

Because I'm not, I'm not walking around going, hey, Billy, when's your 100K ultra? When's your? Still there's not many people doing crazy things. Not to that extent. No, I don't, I think there's, there's people around, but there's, it's like here. You'll find someone doing something outrageous, right? I think it's just like where you're, I think I'm fortunate enough that mom and dad got together

and there are two people that have probably that in them and then I've instilled that in me. I don't know, like it's like that thing. Like I appreciate I've got, there's a bit of skill there and talent. But it's like also, I didn't, like, there's an element of, no one can, there's no genetic makeup that allows me to wake up again and again.

and again. I don't think that's a thing. I think that is like just a fucking thing you got to do. Yeah. Um, you know, you don't like, yeah, sure, there's ability to like, I don't reckon I'll ever be able to run a 205 marathon. That's just, I don't think that's physically possible. Right. But like, I'll get up again, again, again, again, again, because I think that's been taught. I don't think that, yeah, I don't think Australia as a whole, like, I think if you go around Sydney, majority of people are pretty pretty wrapped up. Yeah.

Wrapped up in cotton wool. So what do you mean you don't think that's been taught? Like, I mean, so how do you have it then? The, no, no,

I believe, to get up and, I believe that's being taught and instilled. And I think, I think there's like a, yeah, I think it's just like, no,

I do think it's taught. Okay, yeah, not like, yeah, I don't think you're born with an ability to wake up and get up. And when,

you know, all else would say you shouldn't. Did, I mean, did you ever have a chip on your shoulder, like from school? Like, did you want to prove people wrong? Or did you just want to push yourself? There was an element of like, you know, I wasn't the best rower. And like, I wasn't always the, like, I wasn't the best footy player. There was definitely elements of that where I felt like I trained harder and I worked harder.

But I was never big enough or strong enough. And I think that. maybe hurt me a bit but that wasn't that wasn't the main reason i you know and ran across the country right like i didn't i don't think yeah that that was enough for me like fuck you guys i didn't get picked in the under 16s quad i'm running across the country when when did you realize you had this this incredible level of endurance i think it came from like i remember i we ran our first marathon in you know in between that march to um august period where I ran the 100k.

And I remember just saying, I want to stick to five minute pace. So seven minutes, 18 mile around that. Because you screwed me up today. I said, what are we running? And you were like. It's 202. Yeah, yeah. Or you said five minutes.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's about five minutes. Five. We're going quick. Yeah. Yeah. It was K's though.

Yeah. Go ahead. We worked that out at 717 or something. What was I say? Oh, you said. said endurance you said you're on your first marathon yeah i remember just like saying to the mate i was doing it with i was like um like let's stick to five minute pace which is yeah 715 or whatever um and i remember just like doing it like 459 pace we got in that and it wasn't that hard it was hard

like i was caught but it was like oh and then i remember i just started doing that and then i did my first 60k run from my home in where I'm from to town right you said that was yeah yeah the distance from the exact distance to the war worth and I remember saying to mom I'm gonna do a joke on Instagram and say wall these shuts in five hours I only get to town which is 60k away in under five hours so I had to do it five minute pace and I remember running to town getting in at 457 so again I did it I'm like huh same thing with this 80k I did same thing with 100k I was like I want to be around five minute pace for 100k 501 eight hours 36 my first ever 100k yeah that's fast yeah and I just remember being like

fuck where does this end like seriously that was my whole thing I was like where yeah what's your limit where can you go with this and then I remember being like oh I want to do 100 mile but then I think that's when the that next day I was like that's too it sounds ridiculous but easy I wanted to do something bigger day to day to day I want to show people you can get up and up and up yeah and I I remember just like, yeah, after I ran the first three marathons of that, I was just like, my, my VO2 must have been very, yeah, getting pretty fit. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's amazing. You know, I did. I heard you were on the Rich Roll podcast. I mean, actually, I think Rich sent a video or a FaceTime when he was down there with you, didn't he? Yeah, maybe. I think you.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, probably. Oh, yeah, because we talked about it. Yeah. Yeah. I think he did. And so I listened to that podcast.

and I heard him talk to you about, you know, what's your next goal or what's, where do you go from here? And it's a pretty good question because once you've run across a country, you run out of land. What do you do just go enter a half marathon now? Yeah. You know, what's next? Yeah, it's funny. Like, I think people ask that question thinking, oh, you have to run around Australia. You have to run around the world or you have to run the States.

And I think for me it's never been I don't think it's one uping so to speak as it is just seeing where it is like I don't think I have to go Like it's not been about showing people that I can do more It's been about me wanting to see where I can So you know whether it's a 10 day thing Or it's a 50 day thing

There's still going to be just as much of a challenge Right You know after a day running It's like pretty well everything after that's fucked right there's not much worse. After a half a day. Yeah. I think it's just like, and the impact we had with the money,

we raised for homelessness as well. It was like, you know, it raised 2.6 million. There's a lot of money. You know, what that does and like the impact I have with that, I want to be able to do that with everything, with everything I do. So I don't want to just, you know, as part of me wants to go and do it because I want to do it. But then I'm like, I know I have an impact when I do these things.

So I want to make sure I am helping. helping, I inspire the people, but also know that tangible, a tangible thing's happening as well. It sounds, I mean, it's different from what your dad, your dad being selfless to provide for his family and a better future for his kids, but you have that same thing, not so much about, you know, getting a job that's dependable, but it's the way I've heard you explain it when we're running today is what your rewards are second to the impact you're making and maybe the people you're helping, like in this situation, the $2.6 million. Because we talked about different ways to make money and what you're doing.

And it's like it seemed like you were not really worried about your money. You're worried you have enough. You got a simple need, simple life. You're good. Yeah. And it's more about making an impact like a societal impact. Yeah. And I think, like I remember reading a quote.

I'm going to misquote it definitely. but it's like, you know, we leave this world with, we don't, we don't give our possessions, we don't keep our, we come with nothing, we leave with nothing. Yeah. Yeah. But what we do leave is a legacy and the impact we have. So what we do with those years or life, whatever, right? So, you know, you can amass all this wealth, you can buy this car, you can have all these

incredible things. but at the end of the day, I'd much be preferred, I'd much prefer to leave the world with knowing I left a lasting impact. And because exactly that, we've got so many people worrying about themselves, like so many people just concerned about how their day looks. And I think when we can change that collectively, that's where the change happens, right?

I think there's less homelessness, there's more people being kinder. Bondi Beach, you walk down there, mate, there's no smiling. Really? No. And like that for me, it's like, why, why spend your fucking days miserable? Yeah. Seriously.

Like, smile. It doesn't take fucking anything to smile. And like, yeah, I think, I think I just get frustrated when people are wasting their life. But that's, that's fine. That's, it's on them. But for me, I'm like, I can't live knowing I didn't live to my potential. And help others. And help other.

Yeah. But that's what that is. It's like my potential is making that impact. So it's not potential, like your personal potential. No, not so to speak. That is an element of it. Yeah. But it's like my potential is a holistic thing in that, you know,

I have the potential to not change the world but leave it a better place. Yeah. And I think that's aided with my running as well because my running allows people to be inspired to then go, fuck, I want to do something. I want to help. I want to, like there's a little five-year-old girl named Charlotte who, this happened all the time. I got messages all the time of people doing something. But she, in Geelong in Melbourne, was like, watched it through her mother's Instagram and went down to the track 30 days in a row,

one K a day, five-year-old, raised $10,000 for homelessness. The charity she was raising for was shutting down at the end of the year and then secured government funding because she made a newspaper article reopened 30,000, 30,000 meals to homelessness fed that this year now. So essentially that's a ripple effect of what you're doing. Bipple effect, baby. And then what she did. But one little girl is going to impact others. 100%.

Yeah. And it started, I get what you're saying, because it starts with that first toss of the pebble in the water. It's like, I do this. It might be 10 people. Those 10 people,

then go, what can I do? And then those 10 people, those 10 people. And all of a sudden you've got, you know, and I think that's the thing. There's so many people that say it and go,

oh yeah, good on you. Get on with a day. But if there's one little Charlotte, or there's, you know, five of these kids or an adult that goes, you know what, fuck, I'm not, I'm doing something I hate every single day. I'm going to uplift my life. I'm going to go do this because I've always wanted to.

And then that has an impact in some way to someone else. Like, it's just this ripple effect every single day that I know eventually is going to, you know, that impact, I will see at some point. Yeah. And I think it's, I mean, it's needed because the news and media love celebrating the negative and the shit that's going. wrong and all the discontent in our countries and, you know, how the infighting of politics. You can't watch it.

That's where it's hard to really spin what you're doing negative. So they share what you're doing and it's like, that's all positive. Yeah. Exactly. Your attitude is positive. Your personality's big. And what you're doing is impactful. Yeah.

And it's like, I commend it. It's, you know, I just, and, you know, it's not about me, but I think to myself when I was, 24 and I was only negatively impacting people. Yeah. It was like my hat's off to you. I had so much respect. Thank you, mate. It's yeah. I mean, it's incredible. So with your future goals and thinking, you know, you do want to make that positive impact bigger than yourself, do you still look at like what you're doing as has a man done this? Can I do this? Can I do something more and then parlay that into how can I have somebody benefit from it or do you want to do things that have never been done in history? What's your,

where do you think? I think both ways, I think the best thing is doing something that is so, for me, so rogue and so almost unattainable so that it gets eyes on it. And then the eyes then result in the ripple effect, right? And that's, that's, in essence,

kind of why I've gone, trying to go on big with this. Like as I said, you know, I've got my mate Tom who's done these amazing things could be doing all this. But there's, for me, I like, I want to get out there to be like, you know, this is a way, you know,

I'm not going to be a politician. I'm not going to be a, something that has, you know, higher status that allows me to do this. Right. I'm going to do this through the platform I can now do it with. Yeah, your own way.

Yeah. And I think, like, as you said, there's no real way you can turn that into a negative. someone just wanting to do good. And shit, how's it going to get noticed? Well, I'm going to fucking bury myself across the country. And, but yeah, like, as I said, there's like, there's an element to it where there's probably 50% of it is for this leave a legacy knowing that I've helped people and that. And then there is this like deep embedded when I do these things, what I get out of it for myself.

And as you know, what you get out of it. that consistent showing up, that ability to, you know, prove yourself wrong, but prove others wrong. There's just something beautiful in that too. And I think that's where that, as I've said before, that perspective comes. That allows me to do these things. I know, you know, in that vein,

when I do something, it doesn't matter if it's big, good, whatever, I do it and it's gone. I don't even think about it. You know, some people rushed on laurels. It doesn't sound like you do either. You're always looking for, okay, that was yesterday, what's today? Absolutely. And I think that's something not everybody has, you know.

And then I think maybe there's times where, you know, that was a harder and goal. Do I need to appreciate that more? Or I don't know. I just never, I never think about it. I think about. It's like a big tick. You got caught on. You know, the success is whatever.

I think about when I failed and what I have. I didn't reach my goals, but I seldom think about the successes. I don't know. I mean, I'm always looking for what's next tomorrow. And like you, if I have something big plan like with us that we did today, I can't sleep. You know, looking for, I'm so forward to it doesn't even matter how tired I am. It's just like, I cannot wait to get going. I love that.

That was my favorite. That's the, that energy like you was talking about with like Goggins. It's like, I knew as soon as you got the message of me saying, I'm going to start at 12. I don't want to do it eight to 12. I want to start at 12. I knew instantly you go, cool, let's do it. And that's like, that for me is like, there's just certain people and that's, that

is fucking cool. I love that. Social media is beautiful in that regard. Absolutely. You know, I mean, we've, we both use social media for benefit. You know, of course there's a lot of negative shit on there and stuff that's irritating. But if it wasn't for social media, I wouldn't know you. I wouldn't know Goggins.

Exactly. I wouldn't know Courtney. Yeah. And so all these people I've been able to grow from because they're doing incredible things. Yeah. And it's like we've connected and done incredible things together. Yeah. And it's this, yeah, 100%.

And that's what's so fucking great about it. There's also, yeah, obviously, there's all that negative shit. There's all this, you know, bickering and stuff that makes you want to delete the app. But there's like something so special about, you know, there's going to be another, I know, in a year's time, as we saw and pop up on Instagram that we've never heard of. All of a sudden they're doing something. I'm so wild and everyone I want to know. It's like it's just, it's how it is.

And it's yeah, it's fucking pretty cool. It's a crazy world. It's exciting. I mean, but I followed along once, you know, that day seven or whatever, I figured out what you're doing. I followed along every day. And one thing I noticed is, you are always honest in your captions. You are always, you know, and I think suffering makes people honest.

I've talked about that before on this podcast where it's tough to, if you're hurting, it's hard not to share it when you're beat down. And so I appreciated the honesty you had. And I just love falling along and then seeing just how many people were inspired by what you're doing. And then when you got, where'd you end? In Bonda. God, that crowd. And I know Rich, I do want to give a shout out to Rich Roll.

I love his podcast. I don't know if we could be any different. You know, as far as men, he's a vegan. well-educated Stanford, I think was a lawyer or an attorney. And you know what I love? I'm just a dip shit, but... No, mate. No, no, no.

I mean, we couldn't really stric a sentence together before this. But I just love how incredible that is that, you know, you guys can... Like, we can all attract each other in this, like, you know, crazy little world. It's fucking very cool. But what I was saying is I'm a big fan of his podcast. And then to hear you on there. And I learned so much from how he asks questions, how he frames questions, how he receives information. And then builds on that.

He's just, he's phenomenal out conversation. You'll have to get him on here, mate. I know. I don't know how he'd go looking around this room. You know, I know he's seen what he did say he would come. So it's like, I don't know, maybe. Save he's a man of his word, Rich. Yeah, I know.

I'd love to have him here. Again, he's a good, immense respect. Yeah. And he was a great athlete himself. Yeah, incredible swimmer and then turned ultra runner. Yeah, he's a weapon. Yeah.

But anyway, I heard you guys talk about that crowd when you went in to Bondi. Bondi, Bondi. Bondi. Yeah. Bondi Beach. Bondi Beach, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Not Bondi. What's Bondi? I just made that up. It's like my last name, Ned Bondi. Bondi Beach Okay nice now that Tens of thousands of people This huge crowd

And you know it was funny because he mentioned People run across America There's like you know Three people there Yeah family family and that's about it But I mean it was just an incredible scene And I've seen that on your Instagram page I can't imagine what that felt like

It reminded me a little bit of Courtney winning UTMB Yeah wasn't that wall Yeah and so that's what Your whole goosebumps. Yeah. You're welcome to the finish line of your run across Australia was. That must have felt. Can you put it into words how it felt?

I still can't yet. But it was, yeah, mate, there was like this. I don't know, I got to about 40K out. I had still had 60K to run that day. Got a 40K out. I'm on my phone trying to find the street because I've never really traveled those roads on foot for sure. Right. So I'm like watching, trying to read where I'm going.

But probably every second car, and it was like peak hour honking. And I was like, oh, fuck, Sydney's heard about this? I didn't really know. Like, so I knew the enormity of like the amount of people on Instagram. I knew that. And then there was a heap of messages going, I wish I could get there today. No real like I'm getting there today, right? And then we get about 5K, so eight miles.

No, the other way. So it's 3.6 miles. Two point, whatever. 3.1. 3.1. And I remember I looked up and there's like two helicopters. I was like, oh, fuck are they doing. They're hovering about it.

And I was with my physio and girlfriend Gemma. And I was just like, oh shit. This is being Ben Hermann. This is huge. And I was like, well, I better get going. I'll see you guys at the end. So they drove off. And I remember heading up Bondi Road, Bondi Road.

And every car. was heading to Bondi. And I'm like, oh, wow. And then ran up through the junction and got to the top of the Bondi Road, which is about a 3.5K run down to the beach. Okay. And there were people just pulling their cars in driveways,

just running just to get down there. And it was fucking pandemonium. And so one street was shut. This is like one of the busiest roads in the eastern suburbs of Sydney. One lane was shut to police escort me down. Wow. And I couldn't look because there was so many people just like filming me going, go, Ned. This is like, this is 3K from that beach.

Jeez. Yeah. And I just like, all these tears were coming into my eyes. And I'm like, what is happening? And so I got down and there's like this big turn. And that's a big turn down into the beach. Why was their tears? Just this pride, just immense pride.

And because I had just, I just know there was so many people thinking there was no way I was going to do it. There was like this like because I remember there was a few days there where it looked pretty green like I wasn't probably going to make it and then there was pride and then also there was you you did it I mean you you overcame all that yeah there was that was like that was probably what it was just like you said you were going to do it you've done it you here this is your time I wish I could bottle that up like I wish I could drink it every day but that's why we do it again right where were your mom and dad they were down at them so this. This is what, I saw the beach down this little hill, right? And there was just this wave. Like, you don't see that on a summers day in Bondi. And that's, it's like the most fucking famous beach in the world. And then I remember seeing there was like the police cars had stopped, stopped all the traffic coming on.

And there's so many people at the start of it. And I remember the tears just came back up and went, no, you've earned every single bit of this. Like, just enjoy it. This is like your moment. Yeah, and just like, I turned around. This is wave running behind me.

And then I got to this point. It's probably halfway along the beach. It was very, very heavy, dense with people. It's like a kilometer long. And, yeah,

it just, this sound, it just started to elevate, elevate, elevate, and then you know where it gets to a point where it's just like something is so loud. It doesn't get any louder because it's so loud.

That was what it was. Just like, and I remember clocking faces and, like, people I knew. And I'm just like, oh my God. And so,

all I could really see in the van in front of me, which was the videographer, Sam, who was there on the whole run, Brad, the photographer who was there, the whole run, Gemma, my girlfriend, and belly my physio, who was there the whole run. And they were in the back of this little buggy driving backwards. And they were watching me just like, we're here, we're here. And then came around the corner, and mum and dad were holding the banner for like the cross, and I grabbed it and threw it up and hugged him.

And then just like, I was trying to take it in, but I just felt like a little puppy dog that's just been to the city. Yeah. I couldn't take it all in. And then, yeah, we just celebrated. I went up on the thing, did a shooey and sat inside the change rooms for half an hour. Just like trying to, you know, conceptualize what's just happened. And then, yeah, all these people dispersing and heading home and all these cars just randomly

parked up in places that should not be parked. Yeah, it was pretty special. would your mom and dad say to you? I think there was just this relief. Like mom did not sleep. Dad was, dad slept great. Dad was loving.

He's like, fuck yeah. But yeah, it was just this, like that night and then the next day, we just couldn't believe it was over because for so long, we had just been groundhog day. Just get it done.

Get it done. And like, I remember getting asked day 45 with, by my dad's like best made at the pub. We were having dinner at. He was, what are you going to do? get home. We go, I don't fucking know. But I'm worried about tomorrow morning. Trying to get this

down. Yeah, yeah. I've got fucking 250K to go. Just leave me be. It's not over yet. No. And yeah, so we just, yeah, it was pretty special. Dad went home straight, straight away and then mum stayed in Sydney for a bit. And yeah, we just hung out and unpacked all the vans. And it was pretty wild. Did you have a lot of media then after that to do? Yeah, I binned, I binned that day. I just wanted to be. I wanted to, yeah, just bathe in it. like I don't think many people will ever experience a feeling like that and so being able to just like try and word it and try and I was just reflecting so much and we'd laughing and crying

and like the two weeks followed I was a lot of tears and a lot of like emotion from relief yeah relief but also just trauma like I was spitting at walls in my sleep I was turning my watch off and I was like this is in the middle of my sleep screaming, waking up screaming because a road train is driving at me. So it was a lot. But yeah, that next day was quite nice to be.

And then I had media the day after, a fair bit of media, yeah. Yeah, I don't... Pushing your body to that level is, yeah, there's only a few people could ever even know what that feels like because only a few people have ever done that. So, yeah, I can't imagine when you mentioned And trauma, I mean, that makes sense. Because I can't imagine what your brain and body and spirit and nervous system.

Yeah. Everything went through. But I was just like turning off. Like I was trying to push away these road trains in my head. Like I was trying. Oh, they don't exist. But like every friggin five minutes. Was that the worst part of it, do you think?

I didn't realize I would have so much of an effect. So that's why I think it sucks so much. I thought they would dissipate a bit, but they just got more and more and more. And that's just for those. you know, listening that might not know because, you know, they're here in America, but road trains is just trucks and there, but they're, what, four? Three, four trailer truck. Somewhere about 50 meters long.

150 ton in weight. And a hundred and some tires, you said? Yeah, 118 tires. One of them. Yeah, they just like leave a wind draft that when you get hit, you just like, here we fucking go. Yeah. And that was happening every five to six minutes. I think hardest part was just the accumulation of all the fucking fuckery.

Like there was just like challenge on top of a challenge on top of a challenge. And I think that was what was just the, you know, stuff that I couldn't control every day that was just affecting me so much. Yeah. When you're coming into the finish line, did all those aches and pains of your body? Gone. They were gone. Out of the window.

I was running five minute miles, mate. I know. Isn't that crazy how that happens? You're out in the middle of nowhere and all you do is feel pain. Well, I think adrenaline, like, I think that's got to be adrenaline, right? Has to be. I think my average heart rate most days was like 120 to 130 at most. My heart rate Bondi Beach was 167.

Really? Yeah, yeah. Just amped. Just like, yeah. So you know you're going to hit the wall after that then. Yeah, definitely. Because once your body has redlined at that, you know. It's like, oh, what are you doing?

Yeah. You've been at freaking 120 all along. going to 160. Yeah. How cool has it been to be, you know, I don't know how you look at it, but one of the well-known today anyway, one of the most well-known people in Australia and then be able to rub elbows like with Israel Asana,

Volcanovsky. I mean, how does that feel? It's cool. And I like, a bit of it, even with you, mate, like I pinch myself a bit in that I almost knew it was going to happen. but every day I'm like yeah I don't wig out where I think a lot of people in those scenarios

they're like they meet someone for the first time they lose their mind like you know when you meet like I'm sure you know if I startled across Mali Saras I'd lose my mind right but like these things it's pretty cool like being known it has its perks it's it's cool but it's also it can catch off guard at times

going to Woolies and go into the grocery store Stop, no, grocery market, whatever. Just like the mullet's pretty recognizable more than the front of my face is. But yeah, it's all good. And it's all good intentions. Like people are only coming up to me because they were felt a part of it, right? Yeah. But yeah, it's cool.

I've met some incredible people. But I've also met the people I've met not just the people who are known, right? Right. The people who've come out of the woodwork who've, you know, we're saying get comfortable, being uncomfortable in. during labor and like the people saying you know i've never run before i'm now running like those people are just as incredible to me like we're all just we're all human yeah yeah but to see a comment from style bender yeah it's pretty cool pretty cool yeah he's the man i uh yeah i'm fortunate enough to

have quite a good connection with him now um went and met him in new zealand and interviewed him and hung out at his place and you interviewed him yeah with uh fox sports really yeah what how come uh just before the fight they were like they knew the connection with me and him. Oh, so they'll let you do it. Yeah, they're like, we're going to get more than 20 minutes with him if Ned comes over. Can you do it? So I was, we're sitting on his couch for four hours and four hours. Yeah, and we went, yeah, I went spent the whole day. The interview wasn't four hours though. Nah, it was probably like two hours and I just hung out of it. Yeah. I mean, they clipped a lot of it, but how, how did you prepare for that? I just talked. Yeah. Just ask him

stuff I wanted to ask him. Like what? What was it? Um, honestly, it was just, it was just like conversation like you and I there was no uh it was just I don't know how much you've prepared but it's more um it was just stuff I wanted to know and then it flows it's like meeting someone yeah um and I've always like I've been interested in why why him why is he here how do you get like this and I love learning like I love knowing why and I'm very inquisitive in that and so yeah I was just go on with it I didn't yeah I felt very comfortable and he's a cool dude like as I said at the end of they we're all human we're just known I guess And like it's a, it's a weird thing.

So many more people are known these days because of social media. Yeah. You know, the Brittany effect, you know, music TV. I think that was pretty big. But now everyone's got some voice, right? And that's probably more bad than good. Right. But yeah, there's more famous people now because we've got so much access to them.

Yeah, that's true. But yeah, we're all just at the end of that. I just see people as people. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so pretty cool. Is that why you went to Miami for the fight to watch him fight or did you already plan on being there? No, he, um, his brother, David, I was actually in the lift with him in his house. And, um, I was talking a bit like this, just like, like I said, I was all, like this was always going to happen this meeting, him and I.

Um, I didn't know when, but it's pretty cool that's happening now. And I, like, for me, I don't know, like, obviously he didn't know that. Yeah. But I knew, and I reckon he'll know at some point that that was meant to happen. I am a deep thinker in a way. And, yeah, and he just got goosebumps. And he goes, we need you in that room. Really?

And he goes, I want your hand up there and went, you know, round two. And I was like, done. And then literally I'm fucking double, triple down on the round two knockout. Did you bet on it? I did. Did you? Yeah. Proud of it.

Nice. Thanks, Izzy. You make some good money? Good cash, mate. Yeah. Yeah, $17 it was paying. Not much of a gambler, but, you know, I definitely, definitely helped. He came through, didn't he?

A bit of inside information. Came through, didn't he. I mean, he's got, he's got so much. I think a lot of people can learn from him in belief. You know, he believes in himself. Yeah, definitely. I'm sure he has doubts like anybody, but he doesn't, doesn't spend a lot of energy putting him out there that I've seen.

He manifests his dreams and his goals and it happens. Yeah, he's. he's the king of it. He's very mystic Mac, Conan McGregory. He just like, and he just believes in himself so much. He's like,

but that comes from years and years of what he's done, right? The training. Yeah, this isn't, he doesn't wake up and go, fuck yeah, I'm going to win, I'm going to be, it's like,

no, he's worked his ass off. And he knows his talent, he knows, he's trained it. Yeah. He's not, he's not dumb. He knew he's meant to win those three fights before, right?

Because you hear people all the time, you know, say, oh, I could do that. And why would you think you could do that? Because you haven't done anything. So it's like it's different from somebody who's a little bit delusional about what they could do.

Yeah. And people have been like, no, I put in the work. Yeah, hold up. He's got like 92 amateur wins. Yeah. And kickboxing, right? Yeah. Yeah.

So obviously, and he works his ass off. And I think his, what was his video series leading up to the fight? What was that called? On his YouTube. Yeah, on his YouTube. Yeah. Easy camp or whatever. Yeah.

Something. But anyway, you could see he was grinding. The eyes, mate. Just like there's this energy. Yeah. Very, very cool. He was grinding. Yeah.

I mean, he's one of my favorites also. Incredible. I was really, I liked the allure of Alex a little bit. It's like he's got some weird thing about him and he looks kind of scary and he shoots a bow and all that. That was cool. And I was like nervous because of hands of stone.

But I wanted style bender and I was so pumped when he might. I was jumping. around here. From where we were sitting in the crowd. Yeah. I remember like Pereira looked like he was throwing it on, right? I mean, from the, from the TV, it probably looked a bit different. But no, it looked like, it looked like Izzy was in trouble.

Because you couldn't tell. And it happened a few times before that he was holding, holding. Yeah. And I remember like MVP slapped me. And then another one of the boys like, oh. And then we're like, what? And then all of a sudden Perer is on the floor. And we just like, because they're all the boys that were training with him, like literally

came over for eight weeks to city kickboxing to get punched in the face by him. Yeah. And it was, they, mate, two of them passed out from screaming. It was just like, they were so happy.

Like, it was such a vibe. Yeah. It was, yeah, fucking incredible to be in that room. I bet. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, Miami was a star-studded event for sure. Definitely. I mean, but you said people recognize you from the mullet, doesn't everybody in Australia have a mullet? It seems like,

like 90% of the people. Yeah, kind of. But not all bleached and blonde. Oh, is that bleached? Yeah, it's bleached. So what color would be normally? Just brown, brown at the top.

Yeah. Light brown. Okay. That would be pretty standard. A light brown mullet in Australia is pretty standard. Yeah. So you bleach it out and make you stand out. I think, yeah, eastern suburbs.

Yeah, it's pretty, like, I do get it a lot. I got it very rarely get it here, which is nice. It's a nice little break. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. It's, I don't know. been so much fun hanging out. So what do you think of the lift run shoot experience?

Mate, I've loved it. I've been amped since we said we're going to do it. And I, yeah, I've been, I mean, I've got in the gym at my house to make sure I don't get put on the bitch on the, on the bench press. But no, it's been good. I loved it. And I knew, I knew as soon as I said, let's, let's do an early, early morning, late night, you'd be on. So it was so fun. It was great. The only wishes we could do it for longer. We were running good. I mean, had a pretty good pace going. I can't, you know, I know you put the, you got your Strava thing going on. It seemed like pretty good effort, especially with that climb and with you carrying the rock back up to the top.

Yeah, I, I'm not going to lie. When you, I, I didn't realize the hill was so large. I went up, my quads, the one with the rock. Oh. Piscar. Piscar, yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, quads, calves were cramping from about the first 100 meters, but I sacked it up, got up there, mate.

God, you got up so fast. 38, 38. record debate. Crushed, Kip. Fuck yeah. Sorry, Kip. Proud moment. Hey, we got these young bucks here trying to knock us off and you did.

You did. So where to next? I mean, where are you heading now? I head home now. I head to L.A. and then head home Saturday. I did. Oh, I was thinking about this too. So with all your media,

what's been the most memorable podcast experience you've had? Was it Rich Roll coming down because he's such a big podcaster or? I mean how many How many? Well How many have you done? This has been fun I've done a few I had a lot of offers

Right I don't want to sound You didn't want to sound You didn't want to turn You turned something down I turned a lot down Yeah yeah In that

Like reach wise I wanted to give back To the ones that helped me before And so I did those And a few around Australia and then, yeah, just, you know, if I do a post, it's going to probably have more reach than a few. So I'm like, I don't need to be doing it.

It's very draining. It's like doing a keynote, right? I know. You get up and you've got to be energetic. You got to speak from the heart. You got to, like, it's just, it's a lot. So I've had, yeah, Rich was unbelievable. Just the way he can speak to anyone, like my IQ is pretty low.

And he speaks to, you know, incredible neuroscientists. Well, wait till he meets me if he thinks your IQ is low. Ah, mate, you go better than I do. And, yes, he was great. And I've, some awesome Aussie ones I've done. Yeah, I've done, yeah, so you two are the first kind of international. But yeah, I've done some nice big ones over there in Oz. So, yeah, it's been fun.

But, yeah, Rich is probably up there with the top one. Yeah, was he there on vacation or what was he doing that? Yeah, he does a sabbatical once a month every year in January. and he doesn't podcast, but he's like, I've got to do it. Let's fucking do it. So we went to this place in Byron and I drove eight hours up there and did the podcast with him. Awesome.

Yeah, it's so good. It's, yeah, it's been great. All these experiences like, mate, I'm loving it each day. You never know what's going to come. And I'm just embracing all opportunities. It's very, very cool. You know, and I feel, you know, this is a grind. Like doing what we did today and then.

So being physically pushed is one thing. but then capping it off, you know, to me, podcasting is, I mean, it's not easy. No, it's not easy to keep a conversation going. Yeah. Good questions and listen. Absolutely. And it's like, so a whole day with both ends up. With frying our brains a bit.

Woo. Yeah, yeah. Now you've done well, mate. I'm pleasantly impressed. No, but I was curious too. So who would you like to train with if you could? I mean, if you had like, there's people that you follow who you look up to or who you're inspired by. Who's on your list of training?

I'd love to do it like a day with Goggins. Just like, yeah, just not even like, not a one-up, but just like a just to see actually how psycho is. Yeah. And I want to be like at the top of my fitness and like we go it. Yeah. I mean, he likes to be at the top of his too. Oh, yeah. So it's, yeah.

I mean next year. So like as I was saying earlier, I like my year off after the event is usually a bit of a recovery. Yeah. Like, you know, ran 60K today, but I haven't run 60K since my final day of the run. Like I think like if you look at my Strava, I think I've run 5K a week up until now. Yeah. So it was good to get that out. But yeah, my fitness, I won't be good each year.

But like I'd love to see him next year. Yeah. And do a bit of a day. But yeah, that would be sick. I'd love that. He'd probably like that too. Love's challenge, as you know. Yeah.

As you know. So Goggins would be number one, you think? Goggins, Goggins won. Who else? Ross Edgeley. Yeah, I know him. I don't know him, but I follow him. Yeah, yeah.

He seems like a beast. Yeah, he does. I don't know. I'd love to trade with, so my mate, Tommy, he's been in Canada for a year. I haven't seen him for a lot. I'd love to try it with him. So I'll get to see him soon, hopefully. Trade with him.

He sounds tough. Yeah, I'd love you to meet him. He's a good man. And you're going to, do you see yourself doing 100 mile? Because I was thinking about Courtney, she's so good at these long runs. She's so fun to train with. But that had me thinking,

do you plan on doing 100 and 2 mile, you know, overnight type races? Definitely. I reckon I'll definitely do it. The thing is, like, there's so much life to live, mate. There's so many days to do cool shit. And when I'm fucking fit and healthy again, I'm going to be, you know, like a,

a one day thing or two day thing doesn't cook you as much as a right 47 day thing exactly um your adrenal system recovers in a week right um so yeah I'm pumped I'm amped I'm gonna do a few I'm gonna do a few in Australia and then hopefully get picked in um like Western yeah that'd be great and potentially UTMB one day um but yeah but like I've never really had the the urgency to compete as I said it's always been about wanting to do this for things other than just about getting a number or a time or it's actually been about stuff more than that um nothing against i love it i love that it's just for me that's what it is bigger yeah bigger than just a race yeah um but yeah i'm pumped i i would love to and and you know

hopefully one day i can rock up fit as a fiddle and you know put the put it put the sword to a few people up the front well i i think it's pretty incredible too how You know, because I'm not, you know, I'm not winning 100 mile races. But I have, you know, a shoe with my name on it. You don't technically compete, but you have a great endorsement deal with Puma. I mean, isn't that, how do you look at that? Yeah, I mean, it's, it's for me, yeah, we're kind of negotiating with Pue at the moment. But yes, we are where I think it's relatability.

I think a lot of people go, well, that whole idea of, well, I couldn't run a hundred mile at this pace. I, you know,

I just don't watch it as much. I think people who, like I'm just a, your everyday dude that two years ago was twisting cable and pulling, you know,

doing things on job sites. I think, and as you said, I'm vulnerable and I tell people how I'm feeling when I'm happy, I'm happy,

when I'm sad, I'm telling people. I think that's relatable to people. And I think that's probably, why there's been this in the same as you you are who you are you do what you do and after today that's fucking clear as day um and that's why people that's why you've got a shoe that's why so many people

have got have got your book in their house um yeah it's just i think it's that relateability to be honest i think it's like people going fuck they're just normal dudes getting after it yeah and that that excites them it can be hard to relate to some freak athlete you know that's that's in your you watch them run and you're like well I could never do that. I'm never... That's that idea. As you said, oh, I couldn't do that.

Fuck it. I could never run it. But there's truth to that I could never run a 205 marathon. Of course. So people, I love watching them run. Yeah, like Kip Chogi. Yeah. I love watching them run and I'm addicted to it during that race, but it's like, it's hard.

Yeah. Are you going to, I mean, you're going to buy Kip Chogi's shoe, but like is there, you know, very few are there of like that caliber, right? Yeah, but people, normal people doing things. above the norm gives others hope definitely and so that I think that's that's the point you're making and I agree with reaching for more than what you would assume they yeah yeah and that that's been my whole thing that's the whole premise to the book is like you just keep showing up and keep putting in work good shit happens definitely it doesn't matter if you're gifted or the most talented or

the the smartest or the you know most well connected just keep showing up yeah the game's not how quick you can get there it's how long you can hold on yeah It's showing up and showing up and showing up. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess that same type of attitude brought us together. Definitely. Had a great day today.

Yeah. I don't know, Ned. It means a lot to me that you're sitting here at this table. We've been talking about it for a while. I love seeing your success and seeing your impact on others. And it's so impressive to me being, you know, I know you hear it all the time and probably, I don't know how you feel about it, but, you know, Oh, you've done so much at such a young age.

And I know that probably is like, you know, whatever. But it is. It means a lot because there's a lot of kids or young men your age that are still trying to find their way. And then here you are raising $2.6 million in impacting millions. And it's like it's no worthy. It's not normal. It's not typical. It's incredible.

And, you know, you should be celebrated or at least acknowledged. I'm, you know, it's an honor to have you sitting here. Thank you, mate. That's so nice. I appreciate that so much. Well, you know, I end these shows with giving somebody a brand new bow. And I give these bows to outliers. And given what I just said, obviously you are one.

Thank you. And you shot this thing so well today. I cannot wait to see you. I think you want to hunt at some point. 100%, right. I'm staying now. Today lit a fire in my belly. And it's got all the keep-haring.

It's so cool. Yeah. This is, I mean, top of the line, it's a, you know, Hoy, keep hammering, Cameron Haynes, keep hammering bow. But, you know, a bow is just a bow. You shoot it, you know, very accurate. You seem very comfortable with it, even after just one day. And I'm impressed.

I can't wait to see you out there hunting. I'll send you my first kill that. Yeah, hunting. Because growing up on a farm like you did, You understand life and death and how it works and what it takes to survive life begets life. And that's just how it works. So it's like I think you know, you're tailor made to be a hunter. Thank you.

And an archer. And I can't wait to see your success. And thank you for coming. Thank you, mate. I just want to say thank you for letting me into your life. It's incredible life you're going on here. I feel very privileged to be a part of it. So I appreciate that a lot.

Thank you. Thank you for coming. bum fuck Oregon let's go how good well travel safe heading home thank you it's been an honor like I said keep hammering good honor about that came hammered all right

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