Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 067 - Heat Check

Episode Date: April 11, 2024

Join us for a discussion with Cam Hanes, James G. Williams and Connor. They’ll be covering the latest news in Women’s Basketball, the Hardest Geezer’s Trek across Africa and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Follow James: https://www.instagram.com/james_g_williams  Thank you to our sponsors: Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/  Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping TRX Truck Giveaway: https://cameronhanes.com/pages/current-giveaway  Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv  Timestamps: 0:00:00 Intro: Women’s Basketball 0:08:40 Stephen Curry & Men’s Basketball 0:09:39 Cam’s Movie Career 0:12:42 Wolf Torture in Montana 0:18:10 Cam’s 8K Run 0:22:35 Shotgun Trail Blast 50K 0:31:37 Ad Break 0:33:03 Other Runners of the Shotgun Trail Blast 50K 00:39:40 The Hardest Geezer’s Run Across Africa 0:43:17 Candice Burt & Camille Herron 0:46:27 Cam’s Mindset While Running the 50K 0:50:09 Upcoming Events 0:51:17 The Hardest Geezer was Kidnapped 0:53:08 Outro

Every step I take, I move my truth. Every time they tell me stop, I use. Every comment hate that makes my feel. Gather up my energy and boom. I hear them talking, saying the way that I move it's so reckless. That is a part of my mind I've been blessed with. Giving my blood so I am relentless. All right.

Well, welcome to Keep Hemoring Collective Solo. This is a solo because nobody gives a fuck about you guys. We know that. So this is just me, but you guys are going to help me talk. Yeah, perfect. And for introductions, we'll get Gideon. We just go by middle name. So what's your middle name?

Lawrence. Lawrence. That's right. That's right. We knew that from breakfast. Yeah, that's right. So we got James Gideon, William, Connor, Lawrence. Westlake.

Westlake. All right. Well, you know, one thing I didn't learn until the other days, you guys actually had a podcast at one time. I believe it's still out there. Yeah. You can still find it. Yeah. Which probably not a great idea to do, but it's a cool logo, though.

Yeah, a lot of experience. It's all about. It was a golfing-centric podcast. Is that what it was? Yeah, yeah. I guess you could say that. We took the podcast about as serious as I take my actual golf game. Yeah.

It didn't go very far. Yeah. It didn't last very long. Pudding from the rough, huh? Yeah. It's in more ways than one. A little bigger than this one. Right.

Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the goal to get to where you guys were when you. Once we got above, You know, Joe's podcast, we just decided that's not really fair. No. Artistically, you can just only go so far. Right. Yeah.

You guys had achieved all you wanted. Exactly. We had everything we ever set out to achieve and life got boring. Yeah. I understand. It's like that's why it's kind of like Jordan when he went to baseball. Exactly. So you guys could come back.

A lot of people have made that comparison. Yeah. We have heard that before. We're pretty humble. Well, so we're going to, this. is going to be another weekly update, right? I think that's kind of what we've been doing when I can't get any guests to show up to my podcast. No, actually, yeah, we, these are like bonus podcasts. So we still have the regular guests, but we thought we'd throw in these updates in

between. What's on what's on our schedule for today? We got a lot to talk about. A lot happened. I feel like over the last weekend since Thursday or so, big thing, women's basketball, NCAA basketball. Caitlin Clark, greatest to ever do it, possibly. Yeah, well, no, because she's got some haters that said because she didn't win a ship. She can't be the goat. I saw that. Yeah, that was a, the goat conversation is always about the championships, I feel like. Seems like.

A tough watch that game. There's some buzz, some hype. Caitlin brought it, but then that also got my eyes on Juju Watkins from USC. And she can fucking ball. I mean, for a freshman. She's, she's amazing, you know, scored 51, which I think was the most this season for women's basketball. Then page, is it Bukers?

Bucers, I think. Yeah, from Yukon. Page buckets. Buckets. Yeah, she can ball too. I was like looking forward to the game. It was like, okay, what's my day going to be today? Well, I know in the afternoon, I'm always.

watching, you know, four hours of basketball. Yeah. The, the, the elite eighth and the final four and then the championship game. I was, I was locked in. But, um, I don't think I've ever set time out of my day for a woman's sport before. Until this, this March madness. I loved when, you know, Caitlin started off in the championship game hot, eight, I think, yeah, 15 or 18 or something in the, yeah, I think in the first quarter, maybe 15 in the first quarter.

I think so. That was fun. But I think South Carolina is just a better. team they did a good job of shutting her down yeah in the latter half of the game for sure yeah they if you looked at the bench scoring it was like 36 points for south carolina zero for iowa yeah can't win a can't win a chip like that oh it's gonna be tough yeah gonna be tough and uh yeah i mean so the depth a lot of athleticism and speed it seemed like on south carolina um in iowa i feel like you know

Without Caitlin, would they even make the tournament? You know, so I feel like she did a lot to elevate that team on her own, got them in two finals last, and they're not like a Yukon. It used to be like there, in women's basketball, it was like, there's like four teams. There used to be Tennessee, Yukon, I mean, South Carolina is in there now. And then who would be another big one? Anyway.

Stanford is pretty good. Stanford, yeah. Stanford has a really good coach, Tara, somebody. One of the greats. She is a legend in the real range. Household name. Hey, I knew the first name.

I mean, that's got to account for something, but no, she is kind of an icon in the coaching. So, yeah, Stanford. And other than that, it's actually, it seems like there's enough good players for those four teams, then the other hundred and whatever teams. Yeah, good luck.

You're not going to compete. I mean, yeah, I think the college, college players this year did more for women's basketball than any of the players that are currently in the WMBA ever had. Like, definitely. No one cared really until this year. You know, we, you know, we had a player out here that people actually cared about and so sort of do Sabrina Ines, Nescu. That's right. Yeah, she played for Oregon. Yeah, she was good. I mean, I don't know how many triple doubles she had, but a bunch. And so I kind of did follow her a little bit. I think she would to New York maybe.

And, but it's tough. It's like you see those, they do those little clips on the sidewalk and they say, do you want four tickets to the WMBA gamer one dollar? And people say, I'll take a dollar. And it's like, I mean, I'm not saying, I'm just, you know, when they people talk about, well, they should make more money. But if nobody's watching it, where's this money coming from? Yeah, yeah.

So I hope. I mean, the NBA, I think, subsidizes. Yeah, they do. They give them, I think, is like, like 10 million a year. And without it, they haven't made money. So yeah,

it's, and then you see some of the WNBA players kind of shitting on Caitlin. I'm like, what are you doing? I mean, why are you doing that? Don't you want these eyes to follow her?

And instead of saying, you know, kind of diminishing what she's done in college, it's like, man, it just, you know, they say,

well, she hasn't done anything. She's going to be going against grown women. It's like, okay, well, you guys have had the league for, I don't know how many years and nobody gives a fuck. So you might want to switch it up a little bit and maybe, you know, support these, this talent coming up. But I don't know. I think I see some good players out there and I do, you know, it's fun to watch.

I love the excitement. I love being involved in it. I just hope it continues. But I'm not, you know, with Caitlin coming in and having that unlimited range and the hype. And then she kind of had a little swagger too, which is. kind of cool. This can be tough to simulate that. I mean, is that going to happen again

or is that lightning in a bottle? Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, I guess at least, you know, with South Carolina winning, they went on an undefeated run. There's at least some story to that too, but, you know. No, I mean, for sure. Yeah.

I did like how their coach, Don Staley, she said, you know, she wanted to give a lot of respect to Caitlin Clark for lifting up to women's sports and dealing with all that pressure. all season. So I thought that was cool. I thought that was great. I liked hearing that. Definitely. Yeah, I mean, it's cool to see. I mean, you look at like what Steph Curry did for the game

of men's basketball. Yeah. Like the game is totally different now. Right. People are shooting way more threes. Like the play style is different. So maybe we'll see some of that effect with Caitlin Clark. Right. Like the women's side, you'll see the game kind of start to change, which would be cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I saw some similarities because we watched when Steph was at Davidson. He looked, I mean, he's not very big now, but he looked tiny. Like his jersey was huge.

Looked like a middle schooler out there. He was just bawling out. And I can't remember how far they made it. Maybe the elite 80. I think they went to the elite eight. And Davidson was like, what? It was almost like an Iowa, maybe even more of a anomaly than Iowa getting there because I didn't even heard of Davidson and haven't since.

Yeah. Yeah. My dad went to Davidson. That's the thing I knew about tiny school, North Carolina. Yeah. And okay. His dad's Steph Curry. Yes.

Tell your dad, I'm a big fan. Well, I mean, speaking of ultra-famous people, you know, athletes, movie stars, we're in the midst of a up-and-coming Oscar winner. Amen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well said. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if I can't really be a no spoiler alert, so I can't really say how it's, but here's a script.

Actually, here is part of the script right here. Yeah, redacted. Yeah, you can't. Gray that out. Let me see here. Should it? Here's one of my lines. In this day, word gets around.

You tarnish that man's name. Talk about ruinous. Someone's livelihood can't just bust off on a whim. No, did he? I might have screwed that up. But yeah. So, yeah, I am going to be, well, they say I got the part. I am going to be in a movie.

And that's all I can say. I mean, yeah. The word on the street is, There's an Oscar campaign that comes with it. Yeah. Is this your first role in it like a scripted? Mm-hmm. Because I know you were talking about doing other stuff, SAG stuff.

That was just an Under Armour commercial where... Okay. Yeah, it was me and the wolf and that was... SAG was involved in that. So I actually made money every time that aired. I got like a check for 900 bucks. That's kind of cool. So yeah, I have done some...

sag work before um but in that i was more in my realm bow hunting we're in the mountains here and uh on the coast of oregon we had a wolf and uh it's kind of cool having that wolf there i think they said to get the wolf it was 5 000 a day or something so he's getting paid more than you yeah that's the wolf's day rate so they had a handler and then to make a snarl they they said okay you guys got everything you want done before we make it mad because once we bring the meat out, because you bring the meat out and take it away and the wolf gets pissed, they said,

once you do this, we're done because the wolf's not going to snap back and be like, do this regular step. It's like gets in its head that it wants that meat. There is no working with it after that. So that was, no, did he? Yeah, you show the meat, right?

The meat, that's the key. But, yeah, So that was actually pretty cool. It turned into a pretty good commercial. But yeah. So we'll see this is an actual movie with lines and everything else. Well, you'll have to stick around so we don't. Can't give any spoilers?

Can you even say what your part is? Probably not. What's that timeline look like? When is that movie supposed to come out? Well, filming this summer and then I think coming out in 25. Okay. Yeah. So I'm not sure.

in in 25 if it'll be if it'll be earlier summer but um yeah getting all the filming done this summer yeah starting in may i mean speaking of wolves there's also some news we got to cover with with wolves um yeah this article just came out um this guy in wyoming you know chasing down a wolf on his snowmobile disabling it taping its mouth shut and bringing it into the bar god i mean it doesn't get much worse than that in Wyoming Yeah, yeah. Was it a pup? It didn't look like a pup from the picture.

I mean, it looked like a decent-sized wolf, maybe not full-grown. So torturing it, basically. Yeah, as they described it in the article, brought it into the bar for, you know, cheap thrills. And then afterwards they brought it out back and shot it. So, yeah, I mean, as a hunter, you know, as someone who, advocates for predator control. What does this do?

Yeah, this is, I mean, this is a black guy. If this guy gets lumped in with hunters, which I hope he doesn't, because that's not, you know, with hunting, no matter what we're hunting, we want to show respect, we want to pursue it honorably, hopefully kill it mercifully,

and that's how a hunter behaves. That's kind of what you want to do. That's what we're trying, You know, we want to be respectful. Hunting is, you know, it's a tradition here in this country, and we need to do it the right way. So I hope they don't lump that guy into what I would say call a hunter, because that couldn't be further away from what I think of as a hunter and what I think what we want to portray to people who don't hunt. So this is like, this is just like some redneck small town, which I'm both of those. So I'm not saying that.

But it's like the worst of the worst type of, you know, this is like the bad guy they have in movies in Hollywood. They always make them something this backwards dip shit hunter, right? And so this fits right into that. And so the people who don't know hunters who only see hunters portrayed on a movie, just like I described. And now they see this. Then they're like, well, that's all hunters. There you go. This is proof of it.

And it's not. I mean, that guy is not a hunter. And I hope he gets the full extent of the pun. punishment that he can have by law. And it's like, I hate the fact that, you know, yes, wolves, wolves just do what they do. It's not the wolf's fault that people are reintroducing them to areas. They're just going to do what they do. They're incredible animals. I don't, I don't have any ill will towards wolves. I think they're incredible. I got it. I'm a wolf hide right there. I love wolves. But so hunting them and managing them when there's a manageable population,

all that. That's how it works. That's what I want. Just randomly killing. And even when guys say that SSS shoot, shovel and shut up, you know, they're saying like just kill wolves on site because we don't want them here. I don't even agree with that. I think it should be done a science-based management program based on, you know, what we're trying to, the objectives we have for the elk herds, the deer herds, the wolves if they're in this area. And they should all be hunted. That's how you manage a That's how you make it all balanced because as we know mother nature can't do that on some on its own But for one guy to run one over tape its mouth shut and fuck around with it in a bar then kill it It's like that's disgusting. What's the point? What's it's doing? It's to

To have some story with your boys at the bar. I mean and now it's like this is a black eye on all outdoors men Yeah, because you know they're gonna take that and then push the narrative any anything they can get a hold of they will, especially with hunting. I mean, yeah, and what's been disappointing is this happened this winter. The sheriff and the county actually didn't know about it until he read about it in an article. Really? Yeah. And this guy got a $250 fine. That's it. That's it. Didn't have his license taken away. Oh, he's already been prosecuted for this? Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Man. Which is just disappointing. I feel like that's even more. It's like, well, look at this guy. He didn't even get reprimanded for this behavior. So clearly all hunters.

you know, don't think it's that bad. Yeah, they get a slap on the wrist. Exactly. Yeah. No, I would have wanted something much worse than that for this guy. I mean, I think it's terrible. And I think it's, it's we work so hard to any press we get or any, you know, like if I'm posting on my social media, I'm always trying to be respectful and to give people who follow me or maybe come to my page who are hunters to where they understand why people hunt and and the right way to do it. And now when they see stuff like this, because this will go all over the anti-wolf hunting or pro-wolf organizations, they're going to, they're going to, you know,

push this. Yeah. This is going to be out there a lot. And probably not even just for the, the wolf hunting. I mean, they're going to use it for all hunting, bloodthirsty. I mean, that's, yeah. Yeah, lawless. I mean, it's, yeah, it's definitely a black guy for all outdoors. Men, I, uh, yeah, Yeah, so disappointing. It's appalling. I just, God, it just made me sick to my stomach to see it. Yeah, I agree. I was just disgusting to see. Yeah. Well, on a different tune, some more news in the running world, but it's a little more, there's one thing that's outside, but a little bit in your sphere as well. A couple weekends ago, you ran an 8K, kind of a heat check.

Yeah. How was that? That was hard. Yeah, an 8K is pretty much. So that's five miles. for those that aren't into the Ks and the meters and the centimeters and whatever, kilometers. So yeah, eight kilometers is five miles.

And basically, I never know how if I'm in shape. I run all the time, but, you know, I see people like old guys running. They're running like 20 minute miles, but they think they're running. I'm like, is that me? Because I'm an old guy. Maybe I'm that. So it's like, I know. I never really know because I don't want to watch.

You don't really do any splits or anything like that on my runs. They just kind of go out and whatever, just kind of punch the time clock. So I looked for this race and I thought, oh, here's this local race at Junction City here. And I'll go out there. Hopefully no one fast is out there. It makes me feel slow and old. And we'll see. So I think there's 100 and some people out there.

It's pretty fun. last Saturday. And I saw these guys that were warming up. They looked pretty fast, pretty young. I'm like, I saw these girls running. I'm like, God, they look like track girls too. So this is going to suck. But, yeah, we took off out of there.

And we were, I thought I was running pretty good. But there's this guy way the fuck up there. So I asked this kid who was kind of catching up to, we got to the one mile marker. And I said, hey, I said, what's her time at the mile? And he's like, You know, he's like, mom, $5.59.

And I'm like, okay. I said, how fast is that fucker running up there? And I get, I found out afterwards the guy in front of us ran his first mile on $455. So just under a five-minute mile taken off. And I'm like, you know, hopefully he blows up. But he didn't. He, he averaged 524s, I think, for the race. And he won.

And then I passed this guy. He was in third. He was running pretty good. We went two and a half miles out and turned around, two and a half miles back, reverse course there. And we turned around and I was pretty close to him. I passed him after we started heading back.

And I'm like, okay, I just got to try to keep the wheels on for a little over two miles. You know, so like you're doing the math. I'm like, if I'm running six minutes, that's 12 minutes, 13 minutes because they got another half miles. It's like, can I hold it together for 13 minutes? Which 13 minutes doesn't seem like that long,

except for when you're sprinting. So it's like a plank. It's like the plank's the longest minute of your life. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Can you just shaking? Oh yeah, I can plank for a minute. Then you start doing it.

And you're like, how long? Wait, 30 seconds? Jesus Christ. Yeah, I know. You're like, my watch is screwed out. But yeah, so in watching TV, 13 minutes is nothing. It goes by. It's context.

God, you're pounding that freaking. I'm starting to sweat. I was. energy drink yeah yeah so uh yeah so uh yeah so i held it the wheel started come off at the very end but held on held on for second place and um right at 30 minutes and one second i think so just a little over six minute miles but yeah that was a heat check nice so what was the heat check for i don't know this past weekend you're you had a big 50k yeah i mean those are two totally different races i think the heat check was mostly for the Eugene Marathon, which at the end of this month.

Yep. And because if I could run sixes for five, I should be able to run six 40s for quite a while, right? 40 seconds slower is a lot. And to run under three hours at the Eugene Marathon, I need to run like six, 44s or 50s or something like that. So I thought, well, let me see how if I'm fit at the 8K. and then that'll give me a good gauge for Eugene. And then in between those two races was this last past weekend.

So a week after the 8K was I do this. It's called Shotgun Creek 50K or no, Trail Blast. Shotgun Trail Blast 50K. I've done that probably, I don't know, maybe seven times. And it's just a small, a local 50K, but there's always good runners that show up. like one or two that are just going to fuck up your day usually it's my brother or uh or this other kid not this kid he's a guy uh Nate jacqua he played professional soccer for quite a while I think 10 years and then now he does think he won crazy mountain ultra which is that one in in Montana which is tough

um those malins are rugged and he's won the hurt 100 in Hawaii I think a couple times which is another really hard 100. So he's won. He beat Taylor once, and I think I can't remember where I was in that that year, but, and if he doesn't show up and him and Taylor aren't battling, then Taylor's won it like four times, my brother. So you never know who's going to be out there. Anyway, I planned, you know, I'm always like just seeing how I feel.

I never feel great, but if I don't feel like a complete piece of shit, I'll show up. So that's, that was a Saturday, and I showed up. And Taylor, he's got a big race coming up this weekend. The Peterson Ridge, I think it's a 40-mileer. And Nate Jock was running that. So they both didn't want to blow out their legs the weekend before. When you do those, you know, a 50K is for people that don't know, 31 miles. And it's in mud.

I mean, it's a lot of work. Your legs will not bounce back in a week. I mean, you might feel okay, but you can't push again that fast. usually. So they neither one of them showed up to shotgun because they're saving themselves for this Saturday coming up, which I'm excited to see how that race plays out because there's always some good runners. It's over there in central Oregon. And it's, uh, what's the distance of that? It's fat 40 miles. Okay. Yeah. It's so a little bit further than 50K, but, uh, they're going to fly because it's not going to be muddy, you know, it's, it's a little drier there in central Oregon.

so it should be good. But we went, showed up Saturday. We're sitting in the parking lot. You guys were there and we're kind of scanning, seeing the cars pulling in, seeing people getting out of the cars. You know, I'm always like, who's this fucker? You look at the stickers on their car.

And you see the, oh, Waldo 100K, all these other things. And I'm like, God, damn it, this guy looks like he can run. So, yeah, you never know who's going to show up, especially in this area. This is track town USA, right? And so had a pretty good beat on who was all there. There was this kid who got last year Taylor won. I got second.

Then his wife grew up right down the street from us. And his name's Rodney. He's really good runner. He's done, he did, I think, a couple hundred milers. And one of them just last year he did in 24 hours and seven minutes. which is a good hundred and uh so he's tough and he trains a lot and he wrestled i think he wrestled at oregon state so that mentality is kind of what you need so i knew that he would you know make whoever's going to win it was going to have to be an honest effort to to hold him off you know

plus that the other people i didn't know but um yeah so it was just a good day to run muddy um didn't really rain just perfect weather pretty much for hitting a hard. So it was good. Yeah, I don't think you have said where you finished yet. Yeah, we're just trying to run hard the whole time, get a good, good solid effort. He won. He won't say it, but I will. Yeah, it was, yeah, it was good. I think so we do six laps of five little like five point two miles per lap and as you take off out of there and it's kind of a long uphill gradual climb for about 600 feet, I think, which doesn't seem like a lot except when you're trying to run fast, that elevation you feel. And then you get up and then you do, so a couple of miles to do that, then about a little over three down and around along the creek. And it gets muddier as it goes, because as you guys noticed, there's four races that day. The 50K starts at 9. I think the 25K starts at, or I mean at 8. The 25K starts at 8.30. Yeah, I think it was 30 minutes after.

Yep. And then, let's see, there was a 15K and a 10K is out? 10K and a 5K. 10K and a 5K. So four races and they had 100 and some, I don't know what the total was, but on a muddy single track doing laps of 100, it's going to get by the end, it's a soupy mess. And I don't know anybody who's tried to run

and you're trying to run fast when you're wasting energy because your feet are sliding around, but you're trying to stay upright. It takes some out of you. It's not like running on a road. Did you take any falls? You came through with some battle scars.

And I went down probably at least three times. I think a lot of people did. I mean, every lap there'd be a new person that comes through with a big mud streak on their side. A little hobble in their stuff. And I even had good shoes for it. I saw people running, like having road shoes on. Yeah, yeah.

I don't even know how they stayed upright at all. Well, there was one guy with road shoes on, and when, you know, everyone was lining up to start, I heard him lean over to someone and say, is this all on the road? No. It's going to be a bad day. The only road there was was like where you could see us coming out of the trees over there and right past my truck, pretty much. So that, whatever that was, 150 yards, that was the only road for 5.2 miles.

The rest of it was mine. So yeah, I don't know how those guys didn't, I mean, and it's steep. You come down off that top. It's like some of them, you could see where everybody's grabbing a tree to stop themselves. Because they had to grab something. Otherwise, they're sliding right off the trail. But yeah, it was good. I went out.

My goal, because I'm old, not that fast. But I thought, well, you have to, you know, Rodney, he's 27. or something like that. If it comes down to the end and he's pretty fresh and I'm pretty fresh, I'm going to lose. So I needed to go out fast, hopefully faster than he should have. And hopefully he pays for it later. And hopefully I, there's always a chance that I wouldn't pay for it too. So it went out pretty fast, which 40 minutes for that is fast to do that loop.

I mean, I think on our way up there, you said, oh, you know, the last. average, you know, around 45. Yeah. We had set a timer for 40 minutes. Yeah. Got out of the truck at 40 and then the announcer's like, here comes the first 50 care. And we were like, shit.

You came through way fast as you were expecting. Yeah. So I went out hard and was trying to see, you know, who could keep up. You know, I don't know the other people who are running, but if anybody could keep up, I'd be like, okay, let's make it pretty quick pace. And so 40's fast for that. and then I don't think I stopped or got any water. I think I had my water were still good maybe.

And so I had one little bottle, eight ounce bottle I was packing with me. And so it didn't stop, kind of kept going to the second lap in 40 minutes also. And I think I don't know what my gap was at that time. Do you remember what? It started, it was like five minute increments for a lot. Yeah, after the, he came through. After the first lap, I think it was like five minutes. Right.

Yeah. And then after that second, I think it was 10. Yeah. And then from there, yeah. Yeah. That strategy kind of paid off. Yeah. I mean, I slowed down too, but I think I went 40, 40, 43, 46. And then how many is that? That's four.

And then 40, 40, 43, 46. I think you had a 47 right after the 46. Oh, and then 50. Yeah. So I slowed down, but still, if you can stay under 50, 4,000. 50 is good later in the race. And then I was just at the end, after all that, you don't want to push that hard and then get beat. So I was still trying to push, but my legs were a little bit fatigued.

And so all I had in me for that last lap was a 50, but it was still enough to get the win. Yeah, we were taking over unders in the parking lot of the last lap was going to be. What did you guys guess? Tanner had, we had a wild guess. Yeah, we thought you were going to. 39. He thought your fastest lap was going to be. be last but then he changed it to 41 20 I think I had you at 40 to 10 we thought we

thought you were gonna kick it into like a like a we thought you were gonna get up up to that uphill spot where it comes down and you were just gonna start yeah put in the pace down I thought you're gonna walk in yeah yeah it's I that would have been nice my legs were you know by that time we were you know 26 miles in so you got a marathon on your legs already it's tough to it would be nice it would be nice to fly in that fast but you know my my strategy on those is I can run like a lot of trit ultra runners aren't super fast on the roads so I'm pretty fast for like an ultra runner for an average ultra runner not for elite so I'm not talking to least I'm talking to average but to be able to run like on that flat along the creek coming back I could run like 630s. Yeah, you're so pretty good. So I could I could run. I figured quicker than most of the other ones on the flats. Maybe they'd get me on the going up or the down. So I was trying to really push a flat part. Yeah. My theory was you're gaining most of your time in the

uphill just because I feel like yeah, you're pretty relentless on the uphills, at least when I have to follow you with a camera. Yeah, I know. But a lot of guys who do those are. really good. I mean, I don't feel like I'm good at anything. Compared to average people, I'm decent on the flats. That's my only strange. Yeah, I mean, from where we were standing, it was like a minute and 10 seconds once we could see you pop up. So it was like 42 minutes came around and we're like, oh, then 44. And it was like, oh, yeah. And then I remember you saying if you can keep it below 50, that's really good towards the end of the race. And so like, it was like 4830. And I was like, come on.

pop out, pop out, because I wanted you to come in below 50 on the last lap. Yeah. That was a solid effort. Tanner and I were talking, and it was like, you know, I think a lot of people, obviously, keyboard warriors love to just say whatever comes to their mind because there's no consequences for whatever they say. But we were just like, you know, so many people in the comment sections under your post have no idea that pretty legit badass runners.

So it was cool to go out there and see you get the win. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. I mean, what I liked about it was all the other people out there doing the other races. It was cool. I mean, there was a little kid out there. Yeah, that 11-year-old with the 25 kid? I know.

And, I mean, he came in moving pretty good, too, a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah, he was, I saw, you know, I came by them a couple times. I told him one time I said, I go, how lucky are we? He goes, he goes, are you on your third lap already? And I said, yeah. And he goes, he goes, oh, man. I said, yeah, I'm lucky.

I get to do double what you guys get to do. I said, I'm twice as lucky as you. I said, but you're lucky you get to do three laughs out here. Just like, and he was just having a good time with his dad. And so I thought I was really impressed. He just was, I don't know how he finished, but he's positive every time I saw him and working hard. I mean, he was really positive when he came in too.

He seemed like he had had a blast. So, yeah, it's cool. I mean, shame on, you know, that dad for putting his kids through such a hard thing. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah, that probably reminded Tanner of when his childhood and his shitty dad put him to stop. Yeah, I was going to say at one point, I did look at Tanner and he was crying. He had flashbacks.

Yeah. Yeah, Tanner did some tough. I see. One, I remember there was a picture of him. He did the Gorge Half Marathon. I think he was seven and ran like a 202. for half marathon, which is freaking good. For a seven year old?

Seven year old. And that was, it had a big climb you went, so six and a half miles or something up and then turn around and come down. That's a good effort to run 202. Yeah. So that was, he was pretty young. I remember there's a picture of him and trace on that road. And, yeah, so we're just giving the dad a hard time.

I know the family and great people, but I think it's important to, um, I think it's only positive to show kids what working hard for something. So that kid around 15 miles in the mud. That's, that's incredible. It's awesome. But the positives he can take from that and that experience and to think back when she gets hard, you know, at school or whatever, it'd be like, well, I did do 15 miles in the mud going uphill, up and down hills.

You know, that helps anybody, let alone a kid. Definitely. I thought that was neat. There's a guy who I went to high school with. He was out there. He did the 50K. Carl Llewellyn, love him. He's just super supportive, tough guy.

I've always seen at Piscka. The race organizers, they've been around forever. Love those guys. They put on great events, good food, good soup at the end. A guy who I worked with over here at the cook, It used to be Coast to Coast Warehouse. It's now a true value. But Kelly Padawan, he always helps those races.

And he was there. I've known him for over 30 years. We used to go play basketball down on campus. He loved the Lakers. And he would, he had the best Magic Johnson moves. He was just a baller. And so we'd go down there and try not to get in fights. And the college kids would just be crazy.

We played under Matt Cawler. which is where now it's Matthew Knight Arena. They used to play at Matt Court, which is still there, but underneath they have a gym. So on Friday night, Friday and Saturday nights, you could go and open gym. Some good games down there. But me and Kelly used to go do that and go to the bar afterwards.

Be idiots. But yeah, so it's just saw a lot of cool people. I love the ultra community for sure. No, that was sweet. Well, last thing in the kind of running world, I know I brought this up last time, but he's finally finished. Yeah. And that's just the hardest geyser finally did it.

I know. Yeah. Incredible. Did you know that was 9,000 something miles? Ridiculous. 9,000. I think I saw a stat that he ran, it's like 385 marathons or something like that. Oh, yeah.

You know, because, and rightfully so, it's a big deal running across the United States. Yeah. So only 3,000 miles. Yeah. That's like a fucking sprint. Yeah. Compared to that. Well, and then he,

like got kidnapped during the during the process that right he got kidnapped held it held it gum like robbed at gunpoint yeah he still finished it like talk about i didn't know he got kidnapped yeah i didn't know that either yeah it's a pretty iconic i mean i don't know that's going to stand for a while we were thinking tanner was saying what's the long as you could do and i was like well you could run theoretically you could run from the top of canada to the bottom of south america that's right yeah couldn't you hypothetically if you'd have to get on a ferry through the Panama Canal. Oh.

Yeah. Because it's the same with the Pan American Highway. You can drive the whole way. And that section right through there apparently is extremely dangerous. Where? Even when driving it, the section where you're, you know, going across the Panama Canal. Oh, okay. Yeah.

You know, it's not quite. There's not a road there. So it'd be interesting to see, you know, if someone could run that. But that would be how many miles would that way? I don't even know. Yeah. That'd have to be over 9,000, though. Well, yeah.

I mean, I guess technically you could go. Because the U.S. from Canada to Mexico is like 2000. Yeah, right. So I don't know. That's a good distance. Yeah, I'm not sure what it would be. But yeah, we were talking about what's the longest run you could do. Yeah.

I threw that up, but I forgot about the Panama Canal. Yeah. And I mean, I don't know if anyone's going to want to be like, all right, I'm going to go get the FKT of the length of Africa. Oh, my God. I'm shooting for 340 days. What a beast. Yeah.

That was just super impressive. Yeah, it is cool just to see like people doing cool shit. And I know last time we talked about it, you know, we were wondering why he hadn't gotten as much press and it kind of seems like he's getting now recognition. Yeah. Now, you know, I used his mindset during that race because, you know, I was, I was kind of, I was by myself pretty much the whole time, you know. So you do, go through these mental little hurdles or challenges.

And I remember they asked him. I saw a clip and they said, he said he was sick. You know, he probably got sick a couple times during that, during a year. Yeah. You know, he's basically running for a year. And he said he was sick. So he's going to take it easy that day. And they said, well, what's, what's taking it easy?

And he's just like 50K. So I'm like, okay, if he could run every day for however many miles, 60 miles, and then taking it easy was what I was doing on Saturday. I should be able to do at least that on a, on one. one day, right? So I'm like, if this fucker, when he's sick, is just gonna, you know, easy day 50K, I better build a push on this race.

So I used a 50K of you. I used him on a t-shirt. What's that? I said easy day 50K. Yeah. It's got a ring to it. Well, I also, getting a little too comfortable.

Yeah, yeah. I also know, uh, there was how she's a race organizer that I know she's a friend. Her name's Candice Burt. She set the record. She ran a 50s. K every day for how many days was that? Over 200 days. So ultra marathon over 200 days in a row.

That's ridiculous. Yeah. I wonder if he must have had some breaks in there because otherwise he would have broken that. I'm guessing if his rest days were 50Ks. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Unless he maybe he broke it. Yeah, very well could have.

Because sometimes when those guys do like I know. Camille Heron, she ran something, I don't have any miles, but for six days, and she broke like 12 records, like women's record for a day, for, you know, two days, three days, something like that. It's like, broke them all. Right. Because she just was hardly ever stopping. And I think she had a pretty good pace going. It was pretty flat.

So it's, you can rack up to miles if your body will hold up. And now I'm pretty sure I just saw that Candace is. trying to go for the FKT on the Arizona Trail. She just started, I think, today or yesterday, 800 miles. So I'm pretty sure. What is here? Can you check that one too, Candace Burt? Do you know what the FKT is now?

Um, I know. Yeah, because Mike McKnight, I think he's going to be trying to get it. He tried to do it last year. I was going to help pace him, but I think it's 15 days. So for 800 miles. That's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.

And last year, he was going from the south, I think, and Ben Lyatt was going from the north, and they were going to pass each other and so you could get done first. Ben, I think, made it maybe 200 miles. Mike made it 600 miles. Neither one of them completed it, so it's still out there. And now I'm pretty sure Candace just started yesterday. Did you find that? Give my mic on.

Okay. Yeah, 22 hours ago. 800 miles and that she she's she's doing it right yeah yeah so she does it say what the fkT is no i couldn't find anything well i could probably look that up but yeah that was just on her instagram right yeah so i knew she did and she's she's freaking tough she's one like i said 200 days of 50k so it's called the arizona trail yeah Arizona trail and she just texted me um there's a new race coming up that i was talking to Courtney about too, but it's going to be a year from now, and it's in Arizona, and it's 300 miles.

So it's called the Monster 300. So I think might sign up for that one. That's going to be the big goal for next year. So the female FKT is 17 days, 11 hours, three minutes. Okay. I bet she'll get it. That was in 2019. Yeah, she's a beast.

Yeah. She's a beast. when you're in like Saturday's race to 50k is there a point where you hit you know maybe it's on that last lap you're three miles out two miles out but is there ever a time where you hit mentally you're like okay you know I got this in the bag I'm gonna finish it and I and I ran strong or the whole time you're thinking you know just stay dialed in because something might go wrong or do you ever I mean um I was always telling myself when I came through because you guys were kind of keeping track of you know what where second place was. So I thought I felt pretty good about it, but I was thinking to myself, you know, like I said, the true good runners didn't show up. So I'm like, I'm never going to have a better chance to win.

I've been leading this race. I basically, I led from wire to wire. Yeah. And so I'm, I was thinking, if I lose after leading this whole thing and just fucking let up or get weak, I was afraid of that. So I was trying to push as good as I could the whole time, stay focused,

stay, just work hard instead of, because you can, if you let up, a 15-minute lead can go like that. I mean, if you're walking, like a lot of people, they get so, their legs get so tired that they'll walk the hills. Well, if you're walking and somebody else is running, that's time. Fucking, that time is gone in a hurry. absolutely big yeah it is so i was like i go no i got a i can't i got to finish strong so i was just

trying you know i was hope been nice to to be a little quicker on the last lap but it's about what i had yeah um but no i was i never really felt confident until even like coming around i was still checking back like god i hope i didn't fuck something up and you know get blown could you imagine i remember taylor one time he said he's there along the creek And it's kind of where we took those pictures the other day. Yeah. Do you remember where I jumped up? So that's where that trail comes, right?

Oh, okay. It's on that. The road is on the one side. The trail we ran is on the other side. And he, Taylor was right there. His shoe came untied. He bent down to tie his shoe in that Nate Jocka passed him. Oh, oh, man.

Under a minute. So I was like, I'm not letting that happen. So I was still, I was like running, trying to check. Just like, even though you guys said, oh, yeah, you're, I can't remember what the last gap I had was, but I was always worried. Yeah, the last one was like 25 minutes. I guess that's another pro to the Speedland shoes. No laces, no laces have to bend down and tie. No one's ever going to pass me in your tying his shoe.

Yeah, yeah. No, it was fun. It was good. I mean, yeah, it was good to be able to get the win and see all the run with all those cool people. Yeah. Speedlands finished one too in that race. They did. That's a great point.

That's a fast shoe. It's a quick shoe. I saw, there's a few pair of them out there. There's a couple, yeah. Yeah, I saw another guy with them. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, because there was the guy running right behind you. Rodney. And then I think someone who ran a 25K. Yeah, right. Yeah. No, they're perfect for that. I mean, Rodney went down a lot last year when he got third. And he said, he sent me a message afterwards,

and he said he only fell one time. he said the shoe you're right the shoes worked they're definitely good in mud and they're not that the lugs are far enough apart where they don't hold the mud they shed it so it's like you still got that traction all the time yeah so they're like perfect for that those conditions well i think that's it for past events i mean do we have anything coming up that we should be letting people know about i'm trying to think i mean Tanner had mentioned last time cheetah's obviously going to be on but we've got it's another week before he comes on a little more than a week actually UFC 300 yeah I leave on Friday pretty excited about that yeah that'd be a good one um then we got

chito then we got uh lift run shoot in austin yeah and a 10k in austin on sunday i saw truett put something up that can anybody beat me and my dad so it's like don't do that because there's so many fast fucking people out there but he did put that up um yeah so and then the eugene marathon i guess oh eugene marathon's before austin but uh yeah there'll be a lot of good runners here for the marathon hopefully we'll probably film some of that whatever you guys can get yeah i mean that's i guess the other part of your run is i was out there filming too so we'll have something from from that to put out yeah don't know how long it'll be but we got some pretty good footage yeah sweet so that'll be good Yeah. Well, thanks for the co-hosting or guest hosting. Yeah.

Guest hosting. What do we call this? We can wrap up with the Hardest Geiser did say I was snatched by machete wielding, a machete wielding tribe. He did? Yeah. Holy. A hundred days into his challenge. So I wonder, worry, what country does it say? Whatever country has cannibals. Fuck. He says he feared he may have encountered cannibals. God.

So how do you get out of that situation? I mean, run? Yeah. Yeah. But he says he was snatched. I don't know. Africa's a wild place. Nothing would surprise me there.

Nothing would surprise me. I mean, 100 days. So he's over there. He went over on the West Coast. Shit. But this article doesn't really. expand on that so I don't know this is the sun.com yeah well I'm sure I know write a book about it the US son we want he's we want to get him on the pod I was gonna say I hope he comes on the podcast

yeah I mean I saw that when him running like in the sandstorm with goggles on so bad ass so bad ass I mean what a fucking beast if all these people who I've been in contact with actually came to the podcast because it's been Sean Strickland, Channing Tatum, Hardest Geyser. I haven't been in contact with him, but talked about him. Who else is on our wish list? Caitlin Clark.

That would be sweet. Caitlin. That would be sweet. People talked about she can't be the goat because no championship, but I did see a graphic about Pete Marevich. You guys know who that is. Yeah, Pistol Pete.

He never won a championship. And he averaged like 44 a game. Yeah. Just, you know, icon. Yeah, I mean. Larry Bird never won a championship in college. He's in no goat conversation. I thought what I was going to say is, I mean, does he come up in the goat conversation, though?

Definitely not like, you know, the main three do. You know, I feel like there's really three prominent ones. I mean, I guess there's like four or five, but yeah, I mean, hopefully she's recognized for what she brought to the sport. It's unfortunate. Larry Bird didn't. I guess Jordan did win one, didn't he? Jordan? Yeah, he went,

no, one in college. Oh, college? Yeah, he hit the game winner. Yeah, as a freshman,

he hit that, yeah, that baseline jumper kind of. Yeah. Yeah. LeBron and Kobe have no. Right. They never even played.

They didn't even play. Yeah, so, but, yeah, so I guess they, they don't really reference college as a goat.

No. It's always pro, isn't it? It'll be, I mean, well, I think to be the goat, you have to perform

at the highest level. Yeah. Right. So it's got to be based off of your professional career. I think. I hope that people pay attention and it's not right now. I don't know what. I don't even look at fucking WMBA scores. Name a team. Name one WMBA team. Yeah, Mercury. Or Liberty. That tells me that tells me all I need to know about you guys. Aces. I think Las Vegas Aces is a team.

Oh, he's the WMBA's largest fan right here. I don't know if I can name five guys in the NCAA tournament this year. That's very true. Yeah, I don't think I could. But the girls just dominated. Yeah. So it was, that was pretty sick.

Well, wasn't the Iowa LSU game like across all sports? It was more watch than some NBA finals, not last years, but I think maybe the year before. No. Wasn't last years? Yeah.

And then also, I saw the numbers for South Carolina, then last game. Yeah. And it was like 18 million. So most watch ever. Yeah, which is crazy. That's really cool.

More than every MLB game last year, like every college football game minus one, I think. Yeah. Like that's impressive. I know. I think, yeah, looking at what Caitlin Clark and all those people did for the sport. I mean, it was cool like kind of being invested into something different. Yeah. You know, we're joking around, but it's hard to ignore greatness.

It is. And so it was so fun to watch and it's like, we're joking around, but we, we, a lot of respect. Yeah. It's all out of just admiration. Yeah. That's a weekend update or weekly update or whatever we're calling these things. And with Gideon and Lawrence. That's right. Yeah, thanks for watching.

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