Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 071 - Eugene Marathon Debrief

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

Join Cam and James G. Williams as they cover the most recent updates, the Eugene Marathon, Cam’s upcoming movie role, upcoming races and more. Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 0:00:00 Intro: Eugene Marathon 0:11:45 Mile 18 0:16:17 The Last 10K 0:22:59 Truett’s Next Marathon 0:25:36 Upcoming Races for Cam 0:28:39 Upcoming Filming for a Movie 0:29:42 Paul Johnson: Transcon 0:32:37 More on the Eugene Marathon: Ben Blankenship 0:37:32 Outro: NBA Playoffs

Every step I take I move my truth. Every time they tell me stop I use. Every comment hate that makes my feel. Gather up my energy and boom. I hear them talking, saying the way that I move it's so reckless. That is a part of my mind I've been blessed with. Giving my blood so I am relentless. This is a Keep Hammering Collective.

This is a soft open because who knows what's going to happen here. But this is with Gideon Williams again for the third time. Fourth time. Fourth time? Fourth time? Fourth appearance. And have all those aired? Or parts of them?

Parts of them. Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah. So the first fourth timer. Yeah. I'm still waiting on my fame. Yeah.

It's not, you haven't blown up? Hasn't come yet. Yeah, I know. That's weird. Algorithm. It must be. Yeah. It's not, yeah.

You're boring or anything. And not cool. So why would people, it's not that. We haven't hit my intended audience of Hobbits. Yeah. It's tough breaking into that Hobbit algorithm. Tough group to reach. They are.

They're so like locked in. They're locked in. They're always on some adventure. Is it Davis Clark who's locked in? Locked the fuck in. Yeah. So right. I think they're, yeah, I think that group and Davis Clark are similar in being locked in on whatever they're doing.

So whatever hobbits do, they don't listen to this podcast. Otherwise, you'd be exploding in numbers. That's, yeah, it must be. Must be the case. Well, let's talk about this marathon. You just ran. Oh, God. Do we have to?

That wound's still a little fresh. Yeah, it's Monday today. Ran it yesterday. I did. Ran again today. Yeah. I think I was trying to get that bitter taste. You know, it's weird.

It's like last year I ran, I don't know what, essentially the same time, actually a little slower. This year I was 20 seconds fast or something. I don't know what the exact numbers were. But last year, I felt great the whole time. And I was like, man, that was a nice run. This year, the exact opposite. And there was times when I thought, I want to quit.

Why did I tell people to track me? And so they're sitting there on their couch eating a super-sized bag of Cheetos going, oh, he's fucking dying. Look at this split. And they'd be right. But I was like, why did I put this out there to the world? Because I thought, okay, I'll tell the backstory first. So let's see.

I've never followed a marathon training plan. Never listened to one person ever talk about running advice. Or maybe I did, but I never implemented anything. And so I pretty much just run every day, never run fast, never do like, what smart marathon prep people do. I just run like 10 minute miles up Spencer's or Piscope and think, okay, we'll see how this translates.

And last year, for whatever reason, I got lucky. This year I thought, no, okay, here's what I'm gonna do. I did that little 8K, so it was a sprint, six minute miles. Good, got the leg turnover. Yes, I was dying at the end. But we'll just ignore that. Because normally you just ignore all the bad parts.

You only focus on why you're going to, you know, do amazing, kind of delusional. So that I was like, okay, ignored that I was actually dying. And if it was 5.001 miles, I wouldn't have finished. But it was five miles. So I ran that in six minute miles. Then I did the ultra and I was like, I ran pretty hard like in some places, you know. but it was like wasn't being pushed so I was just pushing myself which in a marathon I have to push every second of the fucking thing because I'm not fast so but anyway I had myself

convinced you know what maybe this is like all the planets are aligned I'm more healthy than I've ever been I've had a couple decent races I felt confident that's got to count for something So I'm like, maybe I'll just go out. Oh, yeah. So the day before at the Marathon Expo, I was talking to Ben Blankenship, we're listening to Emily Sweets. I'm not sure of her last name. That's not her last name.

That's your Instagram handle. But she had a book coming out and is pretty popular at the Expo. So I was standing there. She's doing this event with Ali on the Run, another podcaster. So me and Ben are just BSing and he's like, yeah, did you ever do any of those race-paced runs? I was like, no. I thought about it because that's what he suggested.

Like, are you going to run at a couple days before? He said, are you going to do any runs at race pace just so you know what it feels like? I was like, that's not really my style. And he goes, oh, okay. Well, he goes, oh, here's what you should do. You know, his body was like running the pace group for three hours. And so if I can get under a three-hour marathon, I'm always like, that's a good run for 26. miles. So I'm like, that takes like a $6.50. And he goes, yeah, my buddy's running that. Just find a

three hour pace group and just, you know, lock in there and just finish just before it. And then you break three hours. And I was like, why would I do that? Well, I'm going to send it. What if this is going to be the most amazing marathon I could ever put together on some magical day and I could just run six 20s the whole race and I finish in the 240s or something? And it'd be like, but I never would have known if I would have just camped my ass on the three-hour pace group. And so I was like, no, I'm going to go, I'm going to send it, go hard, see if I can hang on. And if I can't hang on, I'm feeling like a pretty good shape. It shouldn't be that miserable.

So I was mistaken there. And I knew when we were walking over, because you filmed it, even though I'm not sure how this film's going to end since you didn't get me. finishing but uh and all my other footage is shitty too like normal so it's yeah really be on lookout for that that's going to be a special release that you guys won't want to miss um but anyway uh we were walking over there and because you were filming in the beginning in the in the morning routine and all that shit and i was just like oh my my legs are feeling dead they're feel no pop in I kind of did a little jog in place. I'm like, wasn't feeling confident.

Because when you start off running and your legs feel heavy, it's not great, right? I like feeling light and springy. Yeah. I think on the walk from the inside of your house to the truck, you said, my legs are not feeling pop, the pop. I know. So, yeah, no pop. That's what I kept saying.

So I was like, well, I'm pretty sure these 7,000 people aren't going to wait for my legs to come around. and maybe tomorrow, could we try to get in tomorrow, or that'd be today. So I was like, well, maybe they'll wake up when I start running, right? Did my ketone IQ, thought that would work, get out there. And it was way crowded, way more crowded than normal, it seemed like. I mean, I know it was sold out this year and they put on a great event.

So it's no wonder it's in his, you know, and the track capital of the world, Eugene, Oregon. And so it's definitely a draw. But man, they've been putting on an amazing event, getting good runners there. So it was busy. And I took off and it took it. I don't think I could get, I don't know what my splits were.

I don't think the splits were too bad, but it didn't feel like I could open up and run for at least a mile and a half. So it was like kind of fighting, jukeing in and out, just trying to keep going. I paced was still in the six-somethings, but it was a lot of effort to get to keep that up

because so many people. and finally got it kind of opened up a little bit so I could get my legs under me and I was like okay well we're got a good pace I mean I saw sometimes is 615 620 which is fast and uh but the legs weren't feeling great and I was like well I'm just gonna just see what happens just kind of stay here and then I noticed like it we came back by you at heyward yeah probably didn't see me again And that was like a mile 10. Yep. Right. Yeah. And I thought I had sent Tanner a text because obviously I was trying to keep track of where you were at, what time you came through. And at that point, I think you were averaging just under 630 or something, right at 630.

And so I sent a text to Tanner and was like, he smiled, looked, looked. I thought you looked fresh. And I was like, it looks like he's doing good, mile 10 with like 630 splits. Yeah, yeah. I'm a good actor. that's why you're going to be in this movie. Right, exactly. So it's all making sense now.

Because really I was feeling like shit. But what are you going to do? Right. I got 16 miles left. And so I thought I had, I was packing one of those ketone things around on my little pouch in the back of the shorts. And I was like, I'm going to take that and an assault pill when I get to mile 13.

That'll give me a little boost. It's like you, you make up these stupid little games. Like, because it's a few cows. calories right and salt sometimes salt when you're super dehydrated like on an ultra like a salt pill you'll feel better like you'll it makes a big difference so i was like okay at 13 i'll do the salts like and this this ketone has like i don't know like maybe 50 calories and i'm like that'll be a little boost right a little bump to get my head straight well i couldn't even make it to 13 i was like i need that fucking shit right now right so i took it like 11 we're heading over to springfield and i was

you know and then you get kind of kind of affected i can't remember think of the word i want to say but you get affected by everything so irritable so well that is that but the wind started like it's like why is the wind always in my face like it's like i i was running thought okay i'm running into the wind fucking this feels hard this is going to suck but once i get up here and we do this little turn around up in springfield and head back to eugene then the wind will be at my back so then i do that little jog around, turn head back, wind still in my face. And I'm like, okay, what the fuck is going on? So you start getting, you know, just being a pussy about everything.

And then my Achilles, I was like, oh, my killies, something just happened. Then, let's see, would I have some blisters? I had the toenail that was hurt, you know, whatever from the ultra. So I had, then I get up and I'm like it, I think like a mile 18. And it was, I was still running. The pace still looked good. So from the outside, you'd think, it's doing pretty good.

No. It was like all I could do to hold it. Well, the way the course is set up, so I got you at the start at mile 9, at mile 16 in the finish. Yeah. So at mile 16, you know, doing the math on my phone, okay, if he's running this,

this is when he'll come through. And at first I was like, okay, 630s, punched it in. That time came and went. Yeah. I was like, oh, fuck. This is that 16? Yeah. Okay.

And you came through a little bit later and I ran. Oh, where was that? That was mile 16 where I ran with you for a little bit. Oh, by the dog park? Yeah, a couple hundred yards. And after running with you, obviously it's mile 16, but usually I'm like dying to keep up with you. And at that point, after I had turned around, I was like, oh, I feel fine. I was running 12 minute miles right there.

No, I was still in the sixes, I think. Yeah, you were. I think you're like 650, 645 maybe. Yeah, so definitely it slowed down. But yeah, that's more manageable than like a six minute mile. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so anyway, that was like a super struggle bus, suffer fest, everything. And that's about the time when I started, when I left you.

So that's where it kind of gets into like no man's land on the bike path. It's not really, nobody's there really. Yeah. You got this little stupid little uphill. by Valor Rivers Center. It's not even an uphill, but it feels like you're running up Piscuit. And yeah, it's just like, could, if, I mean,

I half waited to look at my watch and be in the, like, say, eight something pace, but it didn't, but it felt like rough. And, yeah, it was everything. Then that's where I started thinking about, how could I quit this race? And it's like, I don't really have a reason, but nobody really ever knows.

Yeah. I could always say something. Tor my ACL. Yeah. Yeah, I dislocated my heart. It was insane. Doctor said he's never seen anything like it. Healed on its own.

Yeah, I'm fine now, but yesterday, yeah, it was touch to go. So yeah, it was just freaking terrible. So I tried to run hard and then we got all the way down to like it's called the Oshkosh. or something bridge way down past Maris. Then you have to do a little roundabout uphill to get onto the bridge. And that again feels like, okay, I can barely, I want to walk here.

And the thing about these marathons is to get, like to get under three hours, you can't be walking. You can't even let up the gas. Right. I mean, there is no, for me, I'm already cutting it close at my old ass age. So I can't afford to even,

even let off the gas a little bit, but just keeping that. pace was so brutal at that time. And yeah, so I, you know, I had even had in my head because I was like, well, okay, I'm not going to have, I'm not getting the 240s today. And then I was like, well, probably not even break three hours today, the ways it is going. So I'm like, then you get to your C goal and my C goal would be like, well, at least I got to get a Boston qualifying time. So then I'm like, that's just 330. So I have, even if I get under 330, you. I could still say

I have something to post right fucking influence her life so I was like okay so even if I totally shit the bed I have a half hour to make it these last whatever the hell miles

and anyway I was able to not be a complete puss failure to give up and still got in under three but it hurt that the three hour pacer must have been well maybe not but after 16 i was confused because i was like he came through late it wasn't too bad to keep up with you but the three-hour pacer was still a good good amount of time behind you he came

through probably five minutes after maybe even more yeah uh so you know i texted tanner at that point too and i was like if the three-hour guy's on he could have a really good race yeah i mean i was on pace for a really good race yeah i was on pace for like almost one of my best yeah but the last five miles that just i couldn't i was just fucking whatever that last 10k oh my yeah that was that that was another part of the story so i got to so let's see the last 10k that's people always say oh you hit the wall at mile 20 right that's kind of like the thing that's what 6.2 left so that's a 10k for those don't know so i was i was at the 10k at like two maybe 2 1010 Now I can't remember.

I think it's on my splits. But I was like, you know, I was thinking 46. If, because I was thinking about you said you ran a 10K in like 45 something. Yeah, 45. And I was like, so fucking James can run a 10K in 45. I should be able to fucking get under 45 with no effort. Got to be able to beat the fat cameraman's time. Yeah.

So I was like doing this math in my head thinking, Kevin, 210. I got 50 minutes, but let's just say James did it, 46, even. Even if he could beat me somehow by two minutes, I'm still getting in. So I was like doing all this crazy stuff. And I was doing all that weird, it's almost like, you know, how they say the fight math or MMA math doesn't work. It's almost like that math doesn't work because it's like you're just making those math equations in your head. when you know the wheels are coming off. So then I just kind of fought it,

which barely wanted to walk, could barely keep running, but then I got up and then we had two miles left. And I asked this kid, I was still running the seven, so I was like, I wasn't walking, but it felt like it was hard. But I asked this kid, I said,

we had two miles left. It was just past 24. And I said, what's our time? Because I just had the pace on my watch. And I don't know watches. I can't be switching around. Who knows what I'd do if I tried to push buttons. So I didn't know how much,

what our running time was. He's like, oh, we're at 242. Was it 242? Is that? No. It must have been a little more than that because that would be, if you finish the two eight-minute miles. No, no, because I was, no, we had 18 minutes.

So that'd be 42, right? Yeah. So he said 242. And then we had two miles left. And then I was going to my head. I was like, I can run nine. If I just beat nine minute miles, but then I'm like, oh, no, no, the point two. The point two takes a little time.

So I'm like, okay, if I could do two eight minute miles or wait, maybe I could do an eight and a nine. I was like, just thinking, I cannot keep this up anymore. Anyway, whatever, you know, thought myself into oblivion and finally got to Hayward and ran across the finish line. You didn't see me. Yeah. So I'm I was right off the finish line by a couple feet and like two 55 rolls around. I'd gotten down there like 250. Yeah.

Just in case. And so I'm sitting there and filming. Then three comes and rolls around and I was like, oh, fuck. Then 305. And I'm like, this is bad. Yeah. I sat at the finish until like 3.10. And then Tanner called me and he's like, yeah, he's waiting for you.

I know. I'm like, oh, okay, thank you. I was like... Did you ever look at the footage? I haven't looked at it yet, no. But I was thinking immediately like, this is not going to be a fun ride home. Yeah.

Yeah, I was just thinking, yeah, you said, you don't know if you got me. I was like, oh, that's okay. Let me just do it again real quick. I had a hard day, guys. I had to walk. I know, like 200 yards back and forth. Yeah.

Oh, God. Well, we'll see what's. on there. But one thing that was kind of cool and irritating at the same time is when I was, when I was running, when I was feeling good, people were like, hey, Cam Haines, all right, keep hammering, you know, fist bump. Not as fun when you're dying at the end. And people are catching up to you because you're dying and they're like, Cam Haines? Oh, yeah. This is like my Lance Armstrong, like your Lance Armstrong thing for me. And I'm just like, ha, ha, ha, ha, you know. And then the fist bump, I'm like, okay, I just wasted.

That's all the energy I had to do that fistball. So, yeah, it's like, man. No, there's this one guy, Frank, he actually ran a great race. And we ran together for a little bit, but he was just looking way younger, like 30 years younger than me. But also, yeah, he was running, I think he ended up 254, which is where I should have got if I would have kept up. Yeah, the same pace.

Yeah, yeah. So I'm just going to say I got 254. No, I'll say 253. Yep. No, I'll say 249. That actually sounds better. The chips fuck up, you know. Yeah, they, I don't know, satellites.

If there's any kind of electronics near the finish. Lost connection. No matter what it says, I got 249. I mean, based on effort, I feel like the effort was there for that. So. So. Should be. Well, the whole math thing, I guess I'm constantly.

in a state of the wheels falling off because I'm always doing stupid and I can never solve them. Yeah, the math problem's in your head. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I mean, yeah, that starts like mile one for me on that, my fastest 10K time. Well, yeah, I know. You know, I've had runs, like a three-mile run that feels just terrible. Yeah, every time. I always tell people I hate, I hate running. The only reason I do it is because I know I have to be in some amount of shape for my job. I don't know why. I just like to eat like candy and, you know, I don't know, fried chicken, fries, hamburgers. I don't, but I would, I want to.

So just knowing that means like, well, you're, you know, you're a closeted fat kid. You better run because there's going to be issues. point going to rear up. Well, that's good to run over the marathon results, I'm sure. Thousands of people that were keeping track of you want to hear the story. That's terrible. Man, that was painful. Yeah.

Now I don't want to run anymore. Truth's got a marathon coming up. Yeah, he's got some other one. He ran, so he's trying to get his Boston qualifier to, but at his age, it's a lot tougher. he's got to get under a three-hour marathon. Okay, that's what I, because I thought a Boston qualifier was under three, but it's based on age group. Okay.

Yeah, for me, because, yeah, basically, if you finish at my age and don't die, you made it. You qualified. Yeah, what's, what's an average page for at 330? It's got to be like eight or no, like 744 maybe. Maybe I need to identify as. Yeah, because, right, because I did 648. and that'd be almost 30 minutes.

So under eights, which is still running. I mean, well, no, I mean, that's for me. No, that's not. So that, for me, I can get under 3.30. But for Trude being he's under 30, it's three hours. And then also like, because so many people are applying that have the qualifier, they're saying to guarantee a spot, you should get five minutes under.

So 255. People don't think that, I mean, five minutes is a lot. Yeah. It's a lot. It's just when you're fighting for every second in a long race like that. So anyway, I mean, technically he needs to break three, needs to get, but really he should get 255. He was at 312, I think, in the one he did like weekend before this last one. And he had trail running shoes on.

He had my speed lands on. so I think shoes are going to help. No jeans that time. No jeans, which that probably hurt him because he's used to training in jeans and then also he like broke his toe or something. Well, he probably did it on purpose. Yeah, he hasn't out.

That's what you needed to do next time. Break a toe. I should. But yeah, he's got one coming up. So I think he's going to be close. Yeah. Taking 12 minutes off. That's a lot.

of time. 12. I mean, that's just... What is it? 40 seconds? A mile? No, it's 12 times 2 is 24. So it's just under 30 per mile.

Oh, okay. It's a lot, though. That's a ton. Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot faster. Yeah. You would think over the course of a three-hour race, you know, 12 minutes isn't that much, but...

Man, it's brutal. Yeah. Well, speaking of you never wanting to run again, we got a couple runs coming up. Yeah. I know. These will be, these are more fun runs,

so we got the 10K in Austin on Sunday. Yeah, Sunday. Yep. So that'd be good. And I'm going to be at the, I'm going to be at archery country Saturday from three to four, I think. So we're going to fly down there, show up at the archery shop.

That would be cool. And I think that'll be like where people check in for the race. So that's going to be a good, nice little time. Good to see everybody. buddy and then Sunday morning we run a 10k in Texas and then we had Pasadena and we run the two bears one cave 5k Tom Segura who do you think's gonna win that per Christ sure I don't know this guy sent me a message today he was going for the win so but 3.1 miles people fly yeah they've they run like one minute miles they finish in three minutes

It's crazy. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, maybe Bert will win. He's got the Mickey Mantle gene. Did you know that? Yeah. Yeah, doesn't he? Or no, is that?

No, I'm thinking of Eddie Hall has some gene that makes him jacked. His body can hold more muscle than anybody else. The steroid gene? What is it? I don't. I didn't get that one. No, Bert, So you know who Mickey Mantle is?

You probably don't because you're a preschooler. He's a baseball player. Yeah, okay. He played. I don't know. I don't even know. You know, now I was thinking it's like, why does he say Mickey Mantle? Because Lou Gehrig is the one who played like 6,000 or something games in a row.

Maybe Mickey Mantle did too. But anyway, it was supposed to be like he's like known for endurance. So I think I think Bert is, you know, says he's also an endurance freak, which he did run, A marathon and no training. Pretty good. It's pretty good. Yeah. And it's like when he started to lose weight, he actually has some muscle tone.

He actually looks, I mean. I saw a picture the other day and his shoulders were kind of. Yeah. That's what I said. I said your shoulders are looking good. So, you know, no did he. That's what got his canceled on that last one. That's like Conniss not here on this one.

He's in jail. Yeah. So hopefully this one makes it through the whatever. What's that called? The censorship. Yeah. But yeah, so that'll be fun. So it'll be down in Pasadena for a little while.

And then I think we're going to either stay down there. I'm staying with Huberman down there. But I think we're either going to stay down there or come home and go back for the comedy as a joke show. Bert's got a show on the 11th. That would be fun. Yeah. And then while we're down there, the uh right or no the filming of the movie doesn't start till later i don't know i haven't looked i've

been so busy and like stressed out with everything else and books and all this that uh yeah i haven't really looked but you've read your script right you know all your lines so anyway yeah i know that's no i'm i'm getting ready but But yeah, I'm like, stressful kind of. Not really a movie star. Not yet. Kind of out of my comfort zone. Yeah.

Well, we'll see how that goes. Yeah. They say like, yeah, they say like the comfort zone is the enemy, right? Not for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I, oh, man.

Hopefully that go, yeah, I'm studying up. I'm got to get ready, but I don't know exactly when it starts. Who's the guy who just finished the transcon, Paul? Burt Kreischer. Endurance freak. Yeah. Paul Johnson. Paul Johnson just finished the transcon.

I know we talked about him earlier. Yeah. There was a little bit of drama, a little bit of... More drama? Well, no. What I'm just saying, there was some speculation during. Yeah. And what did he finish in?

55 days? It sounds like that. Yeah. Yeah. So I haven't heard, I mean, other than him finishing, there hasn't been anything where it seems like all the speculation of him getting in the van and writing. Oh, yeah. Just kind of went away. People just gave up on that. I think so. Yeah. I didn't hear anything more about that. So I think he made it all legit. It seemed like, I mean, it seemed legit. I know people were excited about it. I haven't heard, you know, we talked about the negative at the beginning with just his changing what his goal was. Yeah. Going for the world record than not so quickly. So other than that, whatever, I mean, it's a, it's a huge effort. And it sounded like he raised a lot of money for the charity. Yeah. I don't know how I, you know, 250, 300,000, whatever it was like that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So props to him. A big effort in almost two

months of out there grinding away. Uh, so yeah, it's, it's impressive. Glad he got it done. I'm glad he, you know got off there made it you know safely and his health and order you know because running along a highway shit anything can happen these days so I'm glad he made it and it seemed like it was a successful event it's cool yeah um the only other thing I have is new sponsors grizzly coolers grisly coolers and I mean Montana knife company's been oh I'm their newest influencer you are nice no they sent me a little care package though they did yeah i got a couple knives in a sweatshirt and a hat that's conflict of interest now i'm an influencer i'm going to start scheduling my instagram posts oh nice well congratulations

thank you yeah thanks live live audience yeah no you should it's like uh what what are you plan on like what's your what are you're gonna be known for um influencers have you have to be known for a thing right Yeah, I think. I could see you like being one of the Montana boys. So those guys. Yeah, I could see you. Like, you could be like the last in line and then you come and do your little lip sync. So is that what you're going to do?

Yeah, I think so. They offered me a contract. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to be a part of their team. That's good. We should have done a Q&A. You should have put up a ask me questions. Oh.

Yeah, that question would have been, why are you so slow in the comments? You know what? What was kind of crazy is I ran my first marathon. I put that up in 2002. So 22 years later, I ran a faster time than I did my first one. And I got third in the first one. Total?

Third. Third overall. Yeah. I got third in my first two. What was the first one? It was the Gorge Marathon. Is that a pretty pocket? popular one or did you choose the most obscure yeah no it was I don't know why I chose that one

it was into the wind for 26 miles because we started in in the Dals the Miranda Hood River which is 26 miles away but it's going like west towards the coast wind goes up the gorge is where they do wind surfing and all this other shit when just howling up the gorge it's the gorge between Oregon Washington on the Columbia River so into the wind the whole way and I got three hours and 34 seconds but the winning time was like 340 or 240 something so 245 so winter was like 15 minutes ahead and some other guy was somewhere and then I got third then the second one was over in sun river um it was called I think the Sun River marathon which is over by bend and it was hot as hell and I got like two hours, 59 minutes and like 30 some seconds.

So you beat both on Sunday. Yeah. Yeah. So 22. Yeah. And I was 34 when I read my first marathon. So I didn't get an early start on it. I was surprised at the winning time yesterday.

Yeah. I mean, especially after Ben saying, what did he get $2.15? I know. I told him today. I said, dude, you could have fucking won. Yeah. He's I mean he saw it. He has 2.22 and he's run 217.

21st last last year. Oh, that was last year? Yeah, just last year. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. He only ran one marathon. And then he's like, okay, that sucked. So he ran, he's run one and it was 217.

Yeah, qualified for the Olympic trials. But in his head, he just doesn't want to run just to kind of make it. Right. He wants to win. And to win, you got to be like down 207, 206. shit like that so 217 is a long way from that right and that's even some of those guys are even depending on the course faster than that so he could just see that okay made the the u.s. trials threshold but didn't go but made it under in the in the time required but that still wasn't going to

put them on the podium in the Olympics or anything so what's the threshold for the olympics? It's like 218 for the trials and then you go to the trials and And then the top three make it. Okay. So that guy who ran 222 didn't qualify? No. No. Yeah.

I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I was there when he crossed the finish line. It was good finish. The other guy was maybe 100 yards behind and maybe less. And they didn't look like the, you know, kind of textbook marathon runner. Like the half marathon guy. Yeah. I mean, he was just kind of long and lanky and he was flying. Yeah.

Yeah. mile nine. Yeah. They finished that in like 105. Yeah. So that would have been like winning, you know, like a super fast marathon pace. Yeah. Yeah.

I thought he was, I thought he was running the marathon when he passed me and I was like, it keeps that up. Just sprinting. Just sprinting. I know. What was crazy is he made it look so easy. I mean, he looked like he was hardly running when he passed me. Yeah. But yeah.

Anyways. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. marathon. I think it was kind of blustery yesterday like I was saying with the wind.

It's just hard when you're running that fast, it doesn't take much of a headwind or a quartering wind to screw up your pace. Yeah. Well, so adjusted, your time really is like a 249. 230. Yeah. I'd say. I'm going to say 230. Actually, what did Ken got like, what do you get, 228? So I think I was like 227. Okay. With the age and wind. and effort, especially the effort. I felt like I was working hard enough for a faster time. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I...

I'm telling me right. I commented this on Truitt's post, but you're just lucky I had to work yesterday. Yeah, yeah. So is that, are you implying that you would have, what would you have got? Probably 205. What about the NBA playoffs?

Oh, that's what I was going to say. Okay. Yeah, Nuggets have the LeBron Ron and Coe on the ropes, three one. I think they're, I think they play tonight. Yeah. I've had a couple bets. Haven't hit once.

I know. You had the over under the other night. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe this next one will hit, but I think the nuggets are going to get it done. Timberwolves look, they finished off a sweep last night. Yeah. They're looking pretty good.

Anthony Edwards had 40. Pretty good. Should have put money on that. He should have. You think anybody else has ever said that after the game saying they should have put money on? I think I'm probably the first one to ever say that. After you see exactly how it all works out, then you're like, if I would have put 10,000 on this parlay.

On this 16-pick, 16-leg parlay. Did I know the results of every game right now? But if I would have done that. Went on that time machine. And sold my house and had 100,000 cash. To put on this, to hit 16, yeah, you'd be set. Yeah, for life. That's all it takes.

And then just do it over and over again. Yeah. It's not that hard really when you think about it. Who were the, were the calves? They're tied up, the 2-2? Who are they playing? Who's the heat playing? The heat played the Celtics.

Are they still playing? Yeah, the Celtics are 2-1. 2-1, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. So who the hell are the Cavs playing? I don't know, but it's, I mean, high school basketball. Terrible? I'm dropping a lot on whoever they play next, getting beat.

Really? Cavs game. They are playing the Magic, and it's 2-2. Maybe the two worst teams in the NBA. Yeah. I don't know one. Actually, wait, there is one player on the Cavs, I know. Well, the Magic have a...

Penny Hardaway and Shaq? That's where they played. Shack. Shack signed a contract deal to come back for a couple games. I saw where he said he could score 40 or 50 a game right now. He might not be too far off. Yeah. I mean, the way they play now.

It's pretty soft. Yeah. I mean, they get barely bumped and they're like dead on their court. So yeah, having diesel coming down the lane, sending fucking guys flying. He might get. at 40 but he'd probably foul out before that yeah i was thinking who is that guy the calf's out he's kind of like devon booker but he's like a really good score who is that he's maybe he's injured because they have no it's somebody good calves players yeah let's see like

devon booker but not it's a good guy well so far it's pete nance nope max strews no Ty Jerome. No. Sam Merrill. No. Evan Mowgli. No. Karis Levert.

No. What? Craig Porter Jr. No. Come on. This is like that Kean Peel skit. Yeah. Are these real players?

Yeah. Never heard of any of them. I think Larry Nance's son I have heard of. Yeah. Darius Garland. No. Tristan Thompson. No.

He still plays? Wow. Isaiah Mowbly. No. We're deep on the roster at this point. There's somebody. George. George's.

Stephanopulgus. Let me see. You're not looking at it right. He traded because he didn't want to lose anymore. No. Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell. He's not on their team.

Yeah, he is. Look, that's who I was thinking. See, he's kind of like. Yeah, but I thought he played. He played for... He did for Utah, did me? Yeah. Yeah.

So anyway, he's pretty good. Yeah, he's good. He reminds me a Booker. He must be at the bottom because he's injured. I don't know. But yeah, I mean, that's who I was thinking of. I mean, so they got one baller. Yeah.

I mean... But he's not showing up. No. Unless they're both playing just incredible defense all game. I don't know. NBA these days. LeBron plays some pretty good defense when he's not. Yeah.

Complaining about that. call. Yeah. When he's playing, yeah. I mean, he's a handful out there at 40 years old. Yeah. What do you think his marathon time would be? Probably like you, you and him would be neck and neck. So not finishing? Yeah. We'd be sitting down on the curb. D&F. Okay. Well, anyway, I think we've rambled enough. Yeah. We'll see what Macy says. about this one. She's our... I quit. Yeah. God, sorry, Macy. Second half of it. We should start the episode with apologizing to her, so she doesn't have to listen to an hour before she gets there. All right. Keep hammering. Sorry. Sorry, Macy.