Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 102 - Truett Hanes

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

Join us for a discussion with Cam’s son, Truett Hanes. Truett holds the previous 2023 world record for most pull-ups in 24 hours and is a full time athlete and ultra-marathon runner. Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Follow Truett: https://www.instagram.com/just_truett/ Thank you to our sponsors: Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off  Timestamps: 0:00:00 Intro: Truett’s Goals 0:04:13 Motivation & Chasing a Dream 0:18:23 David Goggins: Pushing Past the Criticism 0:22:58 Goggins Impact on Truett 0:27:40 Ad Break 0:29:04 High School Records & Running at a Young Age 0:36:36 The Value of Mom’s & Wives 0:39:35 It All Comes Down to Training 0:44:30 Choosing a Hard Path 0:49:48 Truett’s Inspirations & Motivators 0:52:42 “It’s So Easy to Stand Out These Days” 01:03:46 People That Are Inspiring Truett 01:08:21 Is There a Physical or Mental Limit? 01:14:58 The Impact on Building a Legacy 01:21:16 Christmas Bench Contest 01:23:03 Outro

Every step I take, I move my truth. Every time they tell me stop I use. Every comment hate that makes my feel, gather up my energy and boom. I hear them talking, saying the way that I'm moving so reckless. That is a part of my mind I've been blessed with. Giving my blood so I am relentless. We are live on the Keep Hammering Collective with Truitt Jonathan Haynes. Nope.

Close. True. Judith Haynes. No. Oh. One more, one more guess. And also my middle name, it's not based on anything. Those are two family names.

What's Connor? Connor. Who is Connor? Have you ever seen Terminator? Yeah. I think that's his last name. John Connor? The Terminator?

I don't know. I think it was his old lady. Oh. No, I don't know. No, I'm done. I don't know why. I don't know why your middle name is Connor. you check with your

McGregor. Mom and dad. Yeah. Yeah, Connor McGregor. The notorious. Yeah. So anyway, that's you, Truitt Connor Haynes.

What's up? What I want to know is what the hell happened today out there? How? On the run. What do you mean? You told me you hadn't ran in months.

Yeah. And then we're going out on our 10 mile run. My heart rate, apparently I'm in shape. I live in Utah, 4,100 feet. I come to Eugene.

I expect to crush it. And my heart, I should be in really good shape for my heart. Okay. Or a few miles in, go on. You're ahead of me. You're going to like this part. You're ahead of me. And my heart rate is 173, zone 5.

You said zone 1. I said mine was zone zero. Lies all around. Yeah. Yeah. But you're way out ahead of me. How do you explain that? I had a tailwind.

No, it's just crazy. I think it's kind of like the big brother factor. You're running with your son. That's me. And then say you got to show up. Oh, you got sunned. You got to show up and show out. I don't know.

Because, yeah, I don't know. I never run with anybody. I know you don't either, but I hardly ever push it that hard other other than like running uphill. So I never, and I never wear a watch. So I never really think I'm in shape. You're doing everything that the running influencers

tell you not to do. And you are an influencer, aren't you? So what should I do? What am I doing wrong? Apparently don't listen to me. I want to be way behind you. Well, I mean, we did have some good workouts. You've been here for a few days for Thanksgiving.

So that was good. Shout out to Taryn Connor Haynes over there. for getting us the movie theater today we had uh the private engagement of last of the mohicans just our family what a film thank you terran michael man film we have we have a live studio audience we got terran we got alicia alley cat and we got gideon gideon's always here but gideon's always here my beautiful wife felicia's here and my beautiful sister taryn is here i just said that all to watch oh no but you didn't say beautiful. Yeah, so this is pretty exciting, but we've had a good time.

Thanksgiving was great, amazing food. But aside from that, more importantly, we had some good workouts. Yeah. All right. So we ran the hill, got a couple summits in. How did that go? It kind of more of the same from what I just said, which I, that's what I'm trying to figure out. I think your ceiling, your fastest marathon this year was 258.

Yep. That was the only marathon you ran, actually. I think so, yeah. I did that ultra. At least one ultra. Did I do another one? I did shotgun. Oh, and you won that.

Was it 424? So what I want to know is what is your ceiling when you're actually training the way that you should? I don't know. But I was curious. How about this? What is your goal? Your goal is because you quit your full-time job. So now are you an athlete-influid?

influencer sponsored person of interest what what what are you doing what your goals and i think i might jump ahead i think your goal is to be like you're on the cusp of what you want to be great right you want to be you want to do things no man has ever done is that correct i hadn't thought that far ahead but that would be cool and that would be a big waste of time if i didn't do that yeah so So the goal is to what? Greatness. Yeah. Yeah, I would say whatever I venture out to do is that it would be with the expectation that I would be great in it because I'm able to dedicate all my time now.

Yeah, but just because people have time doesn't mean they're going to be great to something. Yeah. So why are you going to be great? I think it's because no matter what, even when I did have a full-time job, I would do this stuff anyway because I have. that deep desire, like you said, to be great, I guess. I don't know where that comes from. But I do know that I like chasing something, working towards it, giving my absolute all for it, and then actually accomplishing it. That feels really good for me. And I really don't know what I would do with my time if I didn't do that. I see a lot of, I mean, everybody's chiming in

on the youth of today or young men of today, like, you know, how, I don't know what week they are, you know, like this generation isn't, doesn't have like what previous generations have. They have it too easy, too much screen time, too much, just losing that edge. So why, where does yours come from? Is it from, you know, I think we, people talk about how they were raised or what they went through as a kid. Was it like, because you were smaller as, when you're young, you didn't grow until pretty, pretty late. really in high school. So is it like having to,

you want to prove people wrong from then? Because even though you were like the smallest kid on your basketball team, you were always a leading score, but you were little. That's what happens when you shoot the most. Yeah, but is it, do you think it's left over from like, I'm gonna show these fuckers,

I'm gonna prove everybody wrong or what is it? Yeah, I would say, I usually go back to that during my runs, during my pull-up sessions and then during the gym, because I was always the smallest. I think it goes back to that. It's like, well, I'm going to show you exactly what I can do. And you're just going to sit back and watch.

There is a level of that because when you're growing up, there's things that you just don't forget as a kid and like how people made you feel. And you never want to feel that way. You don't want to feel inferior. So then now it's like every single thing that I do, I want to be so good at it just to like prove people wrong. And it's not even like an exact person or an exact moment.

It's just like, I think I felt this way before. And I know that I never want to feel that way again. It could be like a Jordan thing. And I'm not like Jordan at all. And I don't want to come off as that. But you make up little scenarios in your head. It's like, oh, he said this to me on the court. And now I'm going to go out and dominate him.

It just kind of gives you an edge. And then so I think just me being smaller and weaker than everyone else. I was just like, well, then I'm going to be so much better than you now and I'm going to prove you wrong. But I don't know if that was ever even real. Yeah. You just come up with stuff. Whatever can give you an edge.

Because, you know, when you're running by yourself, we talked about this just the other day, but it's really hard to get yourself motivated to run fast. And a lot of people don't do it. But almost every single run for me, when I'm coming back through my neighborhood, I'm just sprinting as hard as I can. Because I know that all these,

I get these scenarios in my head and I'm like, well, I'm going to like, this is the end of a race. I'm going to push as hard as I possibly can. And then I'm going to win it. And so I get excited during these runs to actually go and do that. And I know that like this effort that I'm putting forth right now during this end of my run is going to translate to a race. And then maybe it's a moment to where I'm racing against someone competing and then I beat them. And it's like, well, I told you. Like that's what I do in my training.

That's what I do on race day. And I don't know, I just, it kind of gives me an edge. I'm always just feeling inferior. So that translates to my work ethic. And that's why I just work as hard as I do. So do you visualize, like if you have a race coming up, do you visualize yourself in that race and like the time looking to watch or coming across the finish line?

Yep. And so you just did New York. Prior to that, you were visualizing running through New York, even though you'd never had. Well, so New York in particular. I've done, and I've gotten heat for this. I've done a lot of downhill races this year, marathons, and that's just the nature of living in Utah. You got heat?

You got to get criticized on social media. Can you believe that? Yeah, stupid fox. I mean, of all people. But yeah, so I did the first marathon of the year. I just decided, like, that was my goal of 2024, was to start running marathons again because I took, I go on and off with running,

but now I think I'm going to stay. probably your fault for that because you made us run growing up as a punishment. Yeah. And so I was like, well. It was an opportunity. And I told myself, for growth. Once I get the chance to actually lead my own life, I'm never going to run again.

So then it worked for a few years. And then I went back to it and took it off and went back to it. But anyway, first marathon of the year was Salt Lake Marathon 312. Marathon the next months did 302 at Ogden. This is all above. of, it's like, you know, Ogden started like 7,000 feet elevation. So it's hard like that on your chest and for breathing, but then you're going down there.

Thin air. It makes a huge difference. Less oxygen, yeah. Yeah. Did 302, and then my next marathon after the 302 was in Washington, Tunnel Vision. Then I did 249. And then people, I guess people thought that I was taking the easy way out. saying downhill marathons give you 10 to 15 minutes of free time. Which just isn't true.

Yeah. Like, yes, you can go fast on them, but it's still a marathon. I don't really know how to describe it because New York, I just ran earlier this month, did 250. And then so my whole point of that was like I ran all these downhill marathons, net downhill. And then so I thought of the people leading up to New York that would say, oh, New York was the only net uphill race that you did. And you didn't even break three hours.

I told you so. If you wouldn't have done good. Yeah, if I wouldn't have done good. Yeah. And I was like, okay, so I have my eyes set in New York, and I'm going to show you exactly what I can do and how wrong you are. And then so I went and I ran 250, 09. And that's like an average of like 629. a mile and then just like a little less than a minute behind my all-time PR at the net downhill

course and I felt easier and I was able to like walk and and work out the next day whereas the downhill one that I did tunnel vision in Washington couldn't walk the next day I was just like so sore so banked up because the downhill marathons do that yeah definitely changes a lot running downhill as far as impact on your quads on your knees your your gate is a little different You know, I mean, you're not training running downhill. So you're training on flat. Well, it's hard to train for downhill anyway because how many stretches, you know, that go for like 10 miles downhill. Right.

So it's a, and then also going into New York. So you had these people you wanted to prove wrong with. And also, I remember talking to you the night before, it wasn't an ideal prep the day before the race because you had to do like a photo shoot or some promo stuff for the perfect gene, right? Yeah. Or jeans or whatever it is that your gene sponsor. the perfect jean. And you ran seven miles like doing video and photos. So you're on your feet for hours the day before a big marathon. And so we kind of talked on the phone. We're like, well,

even if you broke three, that's still be a win. Huge one. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of thinking with your legs having that much activity the day before, it's not ideal for running a PR or like 250s fast for, you know unless you're you know some elite runner yeah for us that's fast and so it's pretty impressive for you to do that and then you're thinking I know we talked about this too once you did finish and had that great time

and um an awesome effort didn't you want to shout out those doubters yeah I know yeah I had the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other um it's tough for me because as soon as you start are calling people out, you just, you look very ugly on social media.

Yeah. It never looks good. No, it's not a good look. But you want to because you're like, oh, fucking where are you now? Well, they don't. Anybody could do this, right? Well, they didn't have a problem calling me out and saying that I was disingenuous for saying that I got these times, even though it's a downhill marathon.

And it's a sanctioned race. And it's a sanctioned, a real course and it's a Boston qualifier. Yep. I mean, so people, they'll nitpick. I mean, here's a problem you have a lot of of things people can look at and and feel emotional about I mean because from the outside in being objective you know young in great shape good looking sponsors a lot of people have a job they don't love they might not be in the greatest shape

they might not have the attributes yet so they might look at you and be like I fucking hate this guy This guy drives me, he makes me feel like shit about myself. They won't say he makes me feel like shit about myself, but that's how they feel. Yeah. So that kind of translates into negative comments or it's just human nature. Yeah. I mean, and so I think it's good. I think it's good.

You did it perfectly as far as using it for fuel, but not lashing out afterwards. After you've been successful because they obviously already feel like shit. That's why they're leaving negative comments. Yeah. It's like it's being called like a sore winner. Yeah. You know, you don't want to like rub it in their face.

It's like, but I do. But I get what you're saying. The proof. And like the results are what matters. Yeah. The most and it speaks for themselves. You don't have to say anything at that point.

It's like, okay. Well, you said I couldn't. Well, I did 250 in jeans on a net uphill course with. I think New York Marathon is a biggest marathon in the world. So it's like you have to navigate running through all these people too.

Yeah. It doesn't really help. That's tough. Yeah. You have to be there hours early also. Yeah, take the ferry. Day of the race. On your feet, get into where you need to go.

Yeah. So, and then, yeah, the day before did that photo shoot sprinting, you know, in jeans for these photos, which turned out pretty good. But I guess 250 as well, I should say in jeans. So, I mean, like, I don't, I think, though, we talked about this gives you an hit. You fuckers hear that? Just keep track. In jeans, 250.

just make note of it. Yeah, and actually, I have their names or user names written down. No, I'm kidding. What was I saying? You're saying how stupid they were. No, you're saying, yeah, I mean, you just had a good performance with, you had some things you had to overcome and still did good. Yeah. You did great.

Yeah, so, I mean, that speaks for itself. But what I will say, too, is like quitting my full-time job. that was geez in August now so I've been doing this for three months of like just full-time training and I think it's important to say that like I don't think what I do is like so important and that's why I do it like people's jobs we need like if the lights go off me running miles isn't going to help that yeah like there's a lot of people that do more important things than right but for me and the goals that I had and what actually makes me feel like I just like feel alive, I guess.

It wasn't what I was doing at my job. And then it's sometimes hard. And I know that people do this, but to live mediocrely doing something that you're not passionate about and doing that every day when you're trying to chase this greatness, like you said. It's like because I want to set the world record for pull-ups again. And in order to do that, it takes an extraordinary amount of time and effort. And then I'm chasing after all these things.

So like and I had this opportunity to take a full-time job to where I could do everything that I love all the time and I know that I'm blessed because of it, but it would have been silly for me to try to balance the two and then not perform well in either one of those. Yeah. Half-ass had a bunch of things. Right. So I just want, you know, people to understand that like not everyone can do this and not everyone should do this, you know. It's like unless you feel like this is something that you truly want to do and make a living that way, then I'm. then I think you should do it, but what you do is important. Yeah, no, I mean, if you're called to do it for sure, I mean,

I think no matter what people feel called to do, I think, you know, we get in situations where we have families to support or, you know, people who rely on us. And so we can't maybe just quit a full-time job because there's other people relying on you. Yep. So you can't just say, well, no matter who you are, whatever your passion is, you should chase it. Because it's just not realistic. Yeah.

But if you can, you know, I mean, people could say, well, must be nice that you're able to do that. You know, we've heard that for years for different reasons. But, you know, I've heard the same criticism about Goggins in that people say, well, oh, he, you know, he's a seal, but he trained all the time, which, you know, wasn't true. He obviously was deployed. And he was in the military for many years. But if people, they see something, they see somebody getting attention, they want to try to discount it if they can. And so they would criticize him. They still do.

And he has a big chip on his shoulder, but that motivates him as well. So he, you do a, I'm not saying a better job because I, you know, whatever, Dave has done, whatever works for him, who am I to critique it? But he will call those people out. I think he likes it, but that gives him fuel. And hopefully it kind of wakes up some of those people who are talking shit. And hopefully at some point they look at themselves in the mirror and be like, God, why the fuck am I like this? But David calls him out, you didn't on this. But I understand once you've been criticized for years or decades, you know, essentially for some people, it fucking gets old.

Yeah, it does. No matter, you can just, you can say all you want about, oh, it's because they're miserable. It's not really about me. It still gets old. Well, I mean, and you think about someone like him and he's still criticized after all of that he's accomplished. I mean, how many people has he helped? No one helped him.

Navy SEAL for what, like 20 years? They're 17 or something like that. You would think that right there, you're good enough you serve the country. Still not good enough. No. Second at Moab has like one, like top five. I think like has you got not eight world records,

but a few world records. At least the pull-ups one time when no one was doing it. He went for it, got it on his third time. So broke that. He's made a lot of himself and then like the book, huge success. So if people will discredit what he's done, then you're a fair game, whoever you are. They'll discredit anybody.

So you're never going to make everyone happen. But yeah, but I do want to backtrack where you said when he set the world record when nobody is doing it. But that just, what you're saying was not that he didn't have competition, but he was his own competition. Yeah. Essentially. Well, he made it a trend, basically.

Yeah. What I'm trying to say. Yeah. He put it on the map, this pull-up thing. Yeah. So now people, even how you started, they're still talking about it. Okay, I'm going to go and try to beat Goggins, 4,032. Yeah.

You know, they still talk about that. Well, even so a kid just broke it, he did 9,200. And people are, like, still tagging Goggins in the comments. They're like, you're going to let this slide. because this is your record. And so, I mean, they think that he's just a larger than life figure and that, I mean, age is a real thing. So, like, they want him to just keep going for it and going forward because, I mean,

he probably could do it. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, as I know, because I did it last year, it gets old after a while, going for the same thing over and over. And then the number that it's at now, it takes so much time to build up that endurance for it. And so much can go wrong, too. It's like, geez, you have a twas. you have a tweaked forearm for a couple weeks,

and then you're just, you can't do anything. You can't pull up. And, you know, to his credit, he's still out there crushing it. And still, he will, like I said, call people out. He will train with people just to crush them. Yeah. So he's still got that. I don't think that dog ever, ever is gone once you got it.

No. I mean, he's never going to change. But, I mean, for you specifically and, you know, legions of other young men out there, he's been like this beacon like chasing Goggins. And I think that's, if I think back on it, that's where your, I don't know, I can't remember what your goals were at this time, but it didn't seem like, or in 2018 or 17, whenever he came out here and did that first lift run shoot with me.

But it didn't seem like you were, quote, chasing greatness, as I referred to at the beginning of the podcast, it seemed like spending that day with him when we did the ultramarathon, you did, we trained together. It seemed like that day seemed like it changed you. Was it before that or was it then? I would say that, you know, it is 2018. Yeah, we ran the 50K and then we went and lifted. And then Gagins, after all that, was doing his daily 100 pull-ups. And then that's when I started to do it as well.

But I would say that there was, levels to it and I knew that I wasn't at the level that Gagins was at you know because he crushed me in the 50k and then obviously he had that really good workout with like who's going to carry the boats and the logs and then he did a million reps yeah um just seeing that it was kind of profound because at that moment he was like a superhero and then he came to our small hometown and then so I just remember like taking pictures of him and being like wow he's really here in the flesh like kind of like a superhero and then I was like and people can really do this for a full-time job just like do these amazing things, amazing accomplishments,

and just get better and better, and then see how far you can take it. So I mean, it did kind of get into my mind, but I had always just hated social media. So I was like, well, maybe I'll find another way. And then now, what, six years later, I'm like, throw in the towel, I guess I'm gonna do this as well.

But it's just, I think, you know, the world is changing in that sense to where you can make a living doing anything. And for me, it's not for everyone, But I just, I love to see how good I can get at something. And that thing right now is a pull-ups and running marathons and ultras. I'm doing that. We haven't talked about it.

You briefly talked about it, but the 50K next month. Hopefully I could win it. But after my performance on Mount Piscuit with you, I'm thinking maybe you could win it. No. Maybe I can get second. My foot's good for about 10 miles. Yeah. I saw anybody, I saw people like,

Or this guy talking about my gate. My gate was fucked up, I guess, on that. From that video today. Yeah. Yeah. And so I don't know. Yeah, I saw you say, you're like, yeah, my broken foot, you know, it doesn't help that.

And it's like, that's true. Yeah. You just forget about it because you've had it for so long. I know, five months. But I think it does, even though I try to, once you start changing your gate, that changes a lot of things in your body. I mean, like my calf today. Yeah.

It's probably because of that. So I can get through like up to 10 miles and kind of fight through and still stay like, you know, I mean, you have to stay so even and balanced. And you can't be favoring anything because in your body something else is going to get fucked up. But yeah. Well, a good thing of 50K is not more than 10 miles, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying is I don't think I'm going to be in the mix. But I hope you win it. Yeah, that would be cool.

I don't know what time. I mean, Taylor, if he's running it, I just don't know what the competition's going to be like. Yeah, you never know here. Hopefully, yeah, hopefully I'm in good enough shape to at least beat James. James is going to dominate the non-binary division. Well, you're going to have to cut that part. No, that's fine.

Why? Oh, that's fine. No, I thought we're celebrating that. Okay, we're good. No, we're good with it. Okay. Yeah, no. him and

Eric Umanhofer You mean the greatest real estate agent ever? Yeah I did not know Would he appreciate this plug right now? I don't think so Well Joe Rogan said he's number one

Oh that's true yeah And I think Trump did too Well no I think Joe mentioned it a couple times Did he? With Trump Oh on that podcast He said a student of yours Right

Um, no, but I would, what I will say is James signing up for that 50K. It's kind of proof, um, of just the way that you are. I think it rubs off on people. And obviously like Tanner and I have done hard things like physically, but just him, I don't think if he was working for doing whatever the heck people with his skills do, um, would sign up for a 50K or bench 225. Somehow he was able to do that. James, do you, would you like to weigh in on any of this?

Yeah, you're definitely rubbing off on me. I don't know. That was a pretty epic day when Goggins is out here. That was your first ultra. Yeah. And what time?

What did you get six hours? Well, no, $5.56. Oh, 5.50. I just broke the six hour mark. Okay. Yeah. But that was a special day. People, yeah, that video has been crazy.

Yeah. But I lost change since then. I mean, was that like your first big time production of liftfront shoot too yeah and i didn't even i mean it was just a thing for me yeah but i just had travis from Travis thompson from elevation film it made that put that i think like a day turned around that film now i've seen that clip everywhere now yeah and that audio people use that audio of eric i know and gagan's gone what was he saying he's like oh shit now i can't remember uh I don't know.

I just remember I'm counting 16, 17. Yeah, and then who's going to carry the boats? Yeah. Yeah, nobody, something about David's house. Oh, you are, David, you are. Yeah. He's like, who's going to carry the boat? He's like, answering him in the moment.

But yeah, that was such an epic moment. I don't know. It's going to be hard to replicate that. We've been trying, though. Well, what I will say, though, is I went on a run last night, just by my myself made it to Yolanda my old elementary school and then ran a lap at Briggs, which is just across the street, the middle school. And that's where in elementary school, you'd go and run the mile. And it would be a big day. All the kids would get nervous. And it's like, oh, man, we got to run a

mile. This is so hard. And then Tanner, a few years, well, he's three and a half years older than me. I think four grades above me. He set the school record. I think he got six. 38 and then Eric Umunhofer that we just mentioned he broke it the very next year and then it was the record for a couple years and then I broke it at 628. But with that it just we would run not even that much with you, you know, like as a form of punishment or whatever it was, uh, go and run Piscca and we hated it every single time. That was family time. Bonding. Yeah. But even with that, no like.

set plan or anything, we were both able to set the school record for the mile. So it's just, it's interesting for kids. It's like just a little bit of effort. You're so much better than everyone else because kids don't even think about it. Like they're not really even trying to be great at anything. But I just think for parents, it's like if you actually have a plan for your kid, it's amazing when they can accomplish. Like there's a kid for a salty bridges.

and make like the anti-chafeing appointment. They have like this kid that they posted about that just ran a, I think he did a 20 minute 10K or a 5K. So like six minute miles and he's, I think nine years old. Whoa. So it's like he's the only kid doing that and I'm sure he's going to break a bunch of records. But it's like all it takes is just like giving a kid a little bit of purpose. And it's like you want to get better at this and then let's do this.

And then like having. Even like if you ran like three times a week, you'd be so much better than the other kids. You know what's it, what the key to that is? Discipline. Not having a mom. Because moms make you weak. Yeah. Because you remember, you would have been an ultramarathoner at 13.

Except she, she, uh, I can't remember how it went, but, uh, she said, well, no, this is exactly how it went. So we, I ran the marathon, um, in 2010. I was 13 years old. Tiny. Yeah. 3.30. 3.30. So 8.07s, I think it was.

Yeah. And by the way, for the parents, I was a cool kid at my middle school. And I was like, because you either got a short sleeve shirt for the half marathon or a long sleeve for the full marathon. Okay. I showed up, of course, my full marathon shirt. And then this one girl was like, oh, did they run out of half marathon shirts to give you? And I was like, no, bitch. Yeah.

Yeah. I was like, um, bitch. Excuse me. No. But I was like, no, I ran the full thing. She was like, huh, you're kidding, right? And I was like, no, I ran the full thing. And it was a big deal.

And then I was, you know, I'm sure kids didn't think I was cool, but I thought that they thought it was cool. That's all that matters. Yeah. But anyway, so then I think a couple weeks later, you told me you're like, so I'm going to do this 50K. It's just a little bit further than the marathon. You're already in shape for it.

And I think you said like Sarah Palin has run a marathon, but she's never done a 50K. Did I? Maybe. I think she has, yeah. So what you're trying to say is that like these moms are out doing marathons, but if you want to be in an elite category, you should do this 50K. Then I was like, if my dad thinks it's a good idea, obviously it's a good idea. Right.

I only have good ideas. At this time, I think at 13, I'm probably 60 pounds. and three feet tall. I'm like maybe around five feet. And then we tell or somehow it's leaked and mom finds out about it. I think Fox News got a hold of it. Yeah, Alex Jones.

Alex Jones. When he's not talking about frogs turning gay, he's talking about me. Aliens and animals breeding. Hybrids. Yeah. I'm sure it's probably true. The world's a weird place.

But anyway, she tells us, and I don't know where she's getting this information from, that it stunts your growth. You don't need that. I really didn't need that at that time. I was like, I think I already have it, whatever you're talking about. Yeah, can't get worse. Can't get worse than this, but I was like, I would eventually like to be a little bit taller, I guess. So then that was in the back of my mind.

But anyway, I went forward with it, and I think I told you the night before. No, I didn't even tell you. you were going to go and run the 50K. I set my phone alarm, because I think I had just recently got a phone, for I think like 5 or 6 a.m. whenever you were getting ready to leave. I thought it was 5 a.m.

I pressed it, good to go, going to wake up in the morning. I end up waking up at like 8 or 9, and then my alarm was set for like 5 p.m. And I was like, man, that sucks. Yeah. So I missed out on the opportunity to actually be something. I know. You'd have been one of the youngest at that time to do an ultra.

I know you could have because you were in good shape. Yeah. To be able to do a 3.30 marathon. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great time for, especially for how small I was. Yeah. And you'd done a couple, like that scramble you did was pretty hard up there, Mount Hood. Yeah. I mean, it was shorter, but pretty rough footing. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I think I just didn't want to deal with all the drama. So, yeah, with no mom, you would have been to an ultramarathoner when you're 13. Yep. And I would be probably 2.7? No, I'm just kidding. Just kidding, folks. Or no. I'm serious.

No, I'm serious. Yeah, just serious. Moms, we love moms. They're important. Yeah, I mean, because how would we have dinner? I used to cook dinner. For you guys. Chilling waffles.

Cook is, yeah. And that's a bit of a stretch of a term. Yeah, because for a while there, Trace is working in the evenings. And so I was in charge of babysitting. Yeah. And there's like some people say, you can't babysit your own kid. Yeah. But anyway, I was in charge of babysitting, which meant that you were screwing up me getting

in my miles. So that means we had to eat fast. So egg, go waffles, it was, or chili. And then we had to go run. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that was a plan. Good childhood.

But no, you would be absolutely screwed if it wasn't for mom if you actually think about it. For food. This is what when mom, no, everything around the house and things that you don't want to do. But if you think about it, whenever she's not available, what is it? What do you refer to for eating? It is cereal with water. Try eating that for every meal. I'm good.

What are you talking about? about. Yeah. So, I mean, mom is clutch. My wife, Alicia, is phenomenal in that aspect as well. Super supportive, super tough. And then makes absolutely baller meals. I mean, we only go through like five meals a week because we eat the same thing every single day. Because usually if you want to be healthy, it's not like brand new something, you know, and then like I got this dessert to fall. It's just like, I mean, you killed an elk earlier this year in Utah and then we get half that elk. split it with Ed. And then so we eat a bunch of ground elk,

ground elk tacos, and then backstrap. And then we get half a cow as well. So we're eating like wild meat every single week. But yeah, just like, cows aren't wild. I guess that's true. Good quality meat. Every single. Yeah, every single meal.

Good protein, yeah. Yeah, good protein. And it makes a huge freaking difference. Yeah, for performance for sure. Yeah. Yeah, like I couldn't even imagine if, well, actually, I can't imagine because. When I didn't have Alicia, I would eat, go to Target and get chicken nuggets.

And then, you know, that's what I thought, it's a decent amount of protein. Yeah. Decent macros. And then I would eat that for every single. That was before seed oils. Every dinner. Remember seed oils? Now they're like in everything.

And that's not good. So it's before anybody talked about seed oils. Yeah. In RFK, we trust. But, yeah, no. Yeah, Trace has been, whatever. I mean, she's been, makes everything, takes care of everything, always has taken care of all the food, super thankful for that. Yeah, it'd be really hard for me to be focused on what I do without support just like you and Alicia.

So, yeah, that's a big part of it for sure. Yeah, nutrition and then training. Training is, training is hard. You know, like if you actually want to be good, it all comes down to training. because we talked about this, but like, it can be hard to get yourself to go faster in training runs. And a lot of people are talking about Zone 2

and how important it is. Yeah. And it is important, but almost never are my runs, whenever I go out for a run and I lace up and then I go out in the morning, are they easy ever? Like I always make it a little bit uncomfortable.

Push. Yeah, because how else it's like if you want to get a big chest and then you stop right before it gets hard every single time. Yeah. Or you only ever do a set of eight. Yeah. It's right.

You know, I think a lot of people refer back to there's an adage at Olympians train at conversation pace 80% of the time. So that people use that as an excuse like, see, you don't need to run hard all the time. And it's like what I would say is, yeah, you're right, but don't forget the 20% where they're busting their balls. Are you getting that in?

Or are you still just, just everything is at 80%. It's like all conversation pace. But yeah, you still have to push out of that comfort zone. That's how you grow. But wait a minute. Their conversation pace is six minute miles. Or, yeah, six minute miles still. Yeah.

So to get to that point, do you think they only ever did 80, 20 to get to that point? Yeah. I don't know. Probably not. If I had to guess. Probably not. No. There's something to be said.

Here's what people, I think, I think people want to skip over or don't want to acknowledge or I don't know if it's intentional, but it's daily discipline. I mean, because you've got people in your ear all the time saying, I think you need some more rest. I think you need to do you need to run today? I think your body needs a break. And you can convince yourself you do. And maybe sometimes you do. But for the most part, if you, you got to put in work every fucking day.

Yeah. If you want to be like this chasing greatness, setting world records being something people like aspire to, that doesn't happen by I'm feeling a little bit dinged up maybe I'm going to take today off. That happens by pushing through every fucking day. It does. And some days, maybe you won't be doing that sprint. Maybe you won't be pushing that limit. And maybe it just on some days it is just grinding it out.

but it's it's you know you still your body it just isn't there for pushing because it could be injury that's where you know your body well enough to be like yeah today's not a PR type day but it's like I just got to punch that time clock but the point is it's every day do something I mean do do you do you ever take a day off no well I mean since I do this this is my job I don't feel like I deserve a day off. Yeah. That would feel so weird. My day off usually, if it's, well, because every single day I'll do usually like an

hour run at least, hour at the gym, and then around like three hours of pull-ups. So is that like five hours working out? So then an easy day would be, and it doesn't happen often, but not doing one of those. So then I'm always doing something. So are there days where there's no pull-ups so there might be just two hours a day of workout? Yeah. Yeah. Then like that would be considered my easy day for sure.

Yeah. And I mean, if you think about it too, that it's a lot. I mean, it's a lot of working out. But five hours, that's 19 hours where you're not working out. I mean, that's still a lot of time. So even if you slept for nine hours, you got 10 hours of just chilling. Yeah. Right?

Right. So I think people, and you look at your screen time on your phone, and people are like spending hours on their phone. I mean, could you take an hour or two out of those hours you're on your phone and maybe do something? Yeah. I mean, you don't have to be chasing world records. But just, man, how much better do you feel when you get that work in every day, work up a little sweat? You feel a lot better.

And then I guess what we should say too, though, is that it does depend on your goals. because, I mean, for me, that's the only thing that matters is improving and getting better. But if you just are kind of like dabbling in it, your most important thing is your job because that's what pays the bills. And then you don't really care that much how you perform because it's not the main thing.

But I guess if you do want to get faster, then you're going to have to work for it. So what do you tell people who have just like this job, they're not really passionate about and don't really have a thing they're passionate about. Oh, I have no advice. Because everybody wants that passion. I have no answers.

Because I hear people say all the time, I wish, you know, like for me it was bow hunting. And like, God, I wish I had something. Yeah. So how did, I mean, yeah, I don't know. How did it? And I've said, I've told you this before, or the path you've chosen is a hard one.

It means no days off. And yet people say, oh, it's just working out. It's hard to do every day, you know. So if you're saying like, okay, I got to do how many 500 pullups a day, that's hard. So if that's the standard, that's setting yourself up for a hard path. And you're like, you got to break world records or you got to run a super fast marathon on in jeans. That's,

you've chosen a very hard path. So there's a lot of jobs that could, you know, you have a degree, smart kid. You could make good money, but it just wouldn't be fulfilling, I guess.

But the path you have is hard. How does that, do you ever think about like, God, why am I doing this? Is it, or is it just, do you love it?

I would say that I love it. Because it is, I don't know, a lot of the times in your, career if you're for a lot of jobs you don't really have like an end goal um it's just kind of like you know pay the bills and then but for this there's like there's set um events coming up and then it's like either you get your goal or you don't um either you get the record or you don't and then so i'm

able just to see it and then i'm competing against myself and then i only have myself to blame A lot of the times when you're working with the team, you know, it's like you can divert the blame to someplace else. But for me, it's like it all falls on my shoulders. And then so that's why I'm able to put in so much effort just because I care so much because it's me. It's all me at the end of the day. And then so I've always just kind of been drawn to that. And like I said, I just like to get better and better every single day.

And that's kind of hard to quantify when you're at a job. I don't know how you can like the job that I used to have I was on a marketing team and I don't know how you can go and be like you know did I get better today yeah because a lot of days it kind of feel like a waste you kind of like go through the motions what you're doing there's measurables and what you like measurables it seems like yeah you know numbers to associate with success or failure and then also you like what I've noticed is you like putting them out there so you make them public for accountability because you say you say you're say that you're going to get break 250 or you're going to do this or that and you're when you put yourself out there like that you're going to get ready you're putting yourself out there to be judged because people like oh yeah big talker i thought you're going to do this but it looks like or it sounds like that motivates you or it looks like that motivates you um so is that a part of the of your formula too is you put your goals out there and just so everybody knows it yeah i know that there's there's a lot of differing opinions on this. I think Brian Holliday has mentioned that you should never say your

goals out loud because then it's like you accomplish them in a sense because then people already congratulate you. Yeah, I think you talked about if you say you're going to write a book, people say, or I've heard this example before, people say, oh, you're writing a book. That's amazing. And you get that dopamine hit like you wrote a book. Yeah. So you get that little thing. You didn't do anything. You just said you were going to do it. But then that. that that like gave you something and then maybe you're not going to write a book now but she still got the dopamine hit but you never actually achieved your goal so yeah i get to that point but i've never had that issue well it seems like that's that's if you're disciplined you're not going to use that as a sign of success that you just said it you haven't done shit yeah yeah i don't know maybe that's some people um yeah i'm not sure about that one but usually it's like if you're you're serious about a goal and you're going to give your absolute all, then you say it out loud. It's like if you want to get sober, you tell someone instead of just, you know, you let yourself

down all the time. Yeah. And it's not a big deal. But then if you say to someone, you're at a party, you're like, yeah, I want to be sober and I'm going to be sober from this day forward. And then they see you crack and open a beer just like moments later. You feel shame. Yeah. You know, because you just made it public and then now that person would be like hey what the hell i thought you're going to do this yeah um whereas if you didn't tell anyone it wouldn't be a big deal so for me i like to put it out there and it's like everyone can hold me accountable that's fine i'm going to hold myself accountable of course um but i think it's just fun because it shows that you're serious who uh yeah that's a good point who pushes you and inspires you i would say my wife because

She took a chance on me. She loves me, decided to marry me. And then with that comes a huge responsibility. It's like I need to take care of her. And then so I have all these things that I want to accomplish. And, you know, she's a big driving force for that because it's like she could have picked a million different people, but she picked me. And I want to show her that she made the right decision.

So for that, that goes a long way for me. For myself, obviously, yeah, I just always, I don't want to let myself down. I want to see what I'm capable of. And so that goes a long way because I've just always been self-motivated. I've always had that, whether it's just in the gym, no matter what my goals is, are, I've always just pushed myself hard and hard and hard until I got it. And then I would say just my family, like you guys. it feels good to have your family love you the most and be the most proud of you because they know

you the best and then so if they can actually be proud of you and the things that you do then i think you're a winner at the end of the day yeah that's good so i mean as far as you and alicia you guys are like a team do you look at like going after these goals oh yeah because she helps you prepare and perform and train and then you can perform yep yep lets me go and do all these things all these races to get better, understands that like, I got to go and run a marathon today just for training. And then the next day I got to do 10 miles because like that's the formula. If you want to get stronger, you got to train on tired legs.

And then I'll come back from the run and then she'll have dinner waiting for me. And then so the last thing you want to do when you're tired and exhausted is go and cook this great meal that's going to benefit you in that sense because it takes a long time to prep and cook. Yeah, yeah, and just something else to think about. Yeah, something else to think about and something else that takes away from your energy. So absolutely a team or like if I tell her I got to do 12 hours of pull-ups tomorrow. You know, there's no like big size or anything. It's just like, yeah, okay, that makes sense because you don't want to show your ass on when you go for the record again.

So like this is just like you understand that this is part of the recipe. So if you have someone that supports you and is like a partner in it, then you can accomplish some amazing things. Yeah. Yeah, I think that, I mean, what you're doing now is incredible and it does deserve a lot of respect. I'm just curious when it, when that, I keep trying to go back to when it changed because I remember in cross country and like running, I thought you could be great, but you didn't have this mindset at that time.

Is it was it just maturing or is it just sharing it with somebody or is it just like being more focused on like achieving greatness or a goal? Because I think you could have been great, but you weren't as dedicated as you are now. So what changed in as for you? I think it's kind of like that Goggins quote where he talks about. about it's so easy to stand out these days because everyone's so weak and I want to be like as aggressive as that probably but it is what a big factor for me was is that people I'd go to the gym and I'd do like a set of 25 pull-ups in a row and people would just be like shocked they'd be like how how is that possible like old man at the gym would come up and be like how are you able to do that

and then just like it kind of like caught people's eyes then I was like oh it's is hard for people. And then that kind of translated to like going out and running a marathon with like no training. And then people are like, that's so amazing. Like I have to train so long to be able to run a marathon and like the fact that you're able to do that just like that is is incredible. And I was like, oh my gosh. Like I guess I have a natural ability to accomplish these hard things.

And then so when you're good at something, you're drawn towards it. And then so ever since then, because then my. first like extremely hard challenge was the breaking Goggins old world record and then so I was able to do that in 2020 and then again it just kind of reinforced the idea of like well if I'm able to break a world record on kind of minimal training because I was just doing 100 or 200 a day at that time then what could I do if I actually dedicated myself fully to this thing and then And so I guess that's what I'm working towards now. And I think I'm on the right path.

I started earlier this year running. I did a 344 marathon and now I'm down to a 249 of running consistently for almost a year. Almost an hour off. Almost an hour off. That's impressive. So I just have a natural ability and then I have the right mindset and I have a body that doesn't get injured that easily. Like people get entered. They talk about injuries.

They're like, man, my back, my everything hurts. I don't feel that at all. I feel great every single day. My foot. My back, my foot. My neck. My back. So you're durable.

I'm durable. But I think a lot of that is like that training builds durability. But yeah, I mean, somehow to avoid the serious injury. That, so durable, had a childhood to where I already built up endurance. I did sports that required. endurance. I haven't missed, I have like a necessity every single day to get better and train probably comes from you to where like I don't miss days at the gym. Like people talk about like they've taken two weeks off. I've never done that in my entire life. And I've never even wanted

considered it. It would make me sick to even consider it. I'm like, what the hell's wrong with you? Right. I don't know what I'd do. I don't know what I would do. I'd feel disgusting is what I would feel and discuss it with myself. But all that, I get a lot of sleep at night. We eat super healthily. Is healthily a word? Sure. I go with it.

Healthy. I don't drink and I don't do any drugs or anything like that. So I just want to see how far I can take it because I have everything going for me in that sense. So it's like, why not? I thought you did Tren. And I enjoy it. And I take Tren all the time.

Yeah. God, people are crazy. That's like if you're in shave, you're automatically on steroids. They are. That's how it works. But you have like, you get your stuff tested, your blood tested. What are you like? I thought were you at 500?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. 500 for your test. Which is, that's kind of low even for a male your age. Is that what they say? Yeah. I think it was below optimal ranges just because I did run a marathon. Oh, that affects it.

Yeah, a couple days before something. And so I think that does affect it. It's probably a little higher. Your body's damaged. Yeah. But yeah. So, I mean, I got all those things going for me. So I really, I don't know, though, because, you know, once you get faster, it's tougher to shave off time.

Right. You're not going to gain another hour. We'll do it 1.49. 149. Here I come. Yeah. Or else it's a failure. But yeah.

So I guess we'll see. But I think it's, was it. Yeah, Ken Rydout. He does. like 228 marathon he does a 28 marathon and he would just he started out doing 10 miles a day right yeah something like that yeah and then he just kept getting faster and faster yeah um but then he got a coach recently and that's yeah he was able to shave off a few extra minutes for his marathon time well i mean you glossed over a lot of stuff there you're talking about being durable and not

missing days and being uh whatever childhood and all that but i mean you it's not not like it's been smooth sailing all the time because you you've had tried to do really hard things that you came up short you tried to do you wanted to run 100 miles in your 24 hour race you did 90 so it's like you did your you did 100 miles barely made the cut so it's like I don't want people to think that like once you decided you're going to do hard things it's just been like easy to do these hard things yeah you know I mean you had you failed to pull ups the one time or we had call it short work. So don't, I don't want people to think that, oh, it's just, God, he's had it so easy. He's never failed at anything. It's like, no, there's been some fucking rough days in there. Yeah. And painful ones that probably, I don't know how they affect you mentally, but it's just physically miserable. Yeah, some heartache in there for sure. Yeah. So, yeah, it hasn't been without struggle. Like, that is important to notice. But, yeah, like the pull-ups, I told myself that I would never feel like.

that pain again. Right. So this reinforces your idea because it was so miserable, so embarrassing that I came up that short. I did 4,000 and I needed to do 8,000. But then I just kind of went back to the idea of like, well, I can do 4,000 pull-ups in less than 24 hours. I'm already in the top 1% in this field for pull-ups. So how far can I take it if I actually trained hard? And so again, and just kind of went back to the idea of like I'm I'm not hurt I'm not injured and I enjoy doing this anyway so why not see how far I can take it and then obviously I was able six months later to break the record so yeah it's not without struggle but anything worthwhile is going to have struggle with it yeah so you you were never like fail and then like I'm not doing this shit again

I mean because that's what some people do they fail at something or they have this dream and it doesn't happen and then they give up one time yeah well i mean that did happen i should say because i yeah because i mean the story was like i called my wife and i was like i'm done training for pull-ups this is stupid i'm going to start running marathons is what i said but then it is interesting to think even that slight decision maybe i would have stuck with the marathons and would have been running but maybe since i quit the pull-ups and never sought through maybe i'd quit the marathons because it got hard and then never saw that through. And then I'd just be a quitter for the rest of my life on everything.

But again, it comes down to having a good partner because she was like shocked. She was like, I don't know who this is because normally I'm like the tough guy. I can do whatever physically. 100 miles with no training. Sure. Why not? Still hard, but I did it. So I thought I could do the pull-ups with no training too.

That was dumb. Yeah. Yeah. So then I just, you know, I had to sit down with myself. and really look myself in the mirror. Literally, I remember looking myself in the mirror, like, in my truck and saying, like, quit being a goddamn, like, pussy. And, like, if you don't break the record, you are such a failure. I was just yelling at myself in my truck.

Did you yell back? Yeah. No, he was really hurt. You hurt my feelings. I don't know what it was. Sometimes you have, like, a mental break. But as long as you go back to what you actually want to. accomplish and the goal you're going towards the goal you're you're spending time training you're

going to get better at it no matter what um as long as you're spending time and being disciplined and and obviously it's not going to be smooth sailing from there but as long as you're dedicated no matter what you're going to stick with it through the ups and the downs it's like marriage geez yeah sounds like marriage you're just you're not going to get divorced from it you're not going to get divorced from the person i guess to bring it back to marriage but um you're going to see it through and then that's what I did with the pull-ups, and then obviously I was able to do it. But yeah, just seeing it through and not quitting, not quitting.

I've said this before, like on Instagram, I think it was, as long as you don't quit on something, you are going to be in the top 10% probably. Right. If you stick with it. We know a lot of people that have, like, picked up running, and then they quit, and then you're just a terrible runner, obviously, because you don't run.

But if you ran consistently for, I mean, from the time that you were interested in the goal till now, if you just were running that whole time, you would be a sub three runner. Like, yeah. Like that's just what it comes down to. Right. Just don't quit. Right. Yeah, for years.

For years. You stick at it. Because you've been training pretty, well, I mean, you've been training your whole life, you know, but hard now for quite a few years. But yeah, it's just time. I just don't think people, everybody wants, you know, and it's not, I don't want to be cliche, but they want that. overnight success, instant gratification, dopamine hit. But yeah, I get all that because we're all susceptible to that. But just that mindset of like, no, this is just what I do.

And I'm just not going to falter. There's going to be good days. There's going to be bad days. I'm just not going to quit. I might even fuck up on a on a goal or a race, but that's okay because that's all part of it. And it's just how you respond to things like that is what separates the best from the rest. And so are there?

are the people that you follow out there that that are doing cool things that kind of inspire you to keep chasing these big goals? I mean, obviously, Gagons. I mean, that goes without saying. Yeah, Gagins, for sure. I would say Ned Brockman's another good one. Yeah. Ned Brockman is another one that puts his goals out there and is not afraid to deal with the heat. Yeah, he got a lot of heat on that thousand miles on 10 days. Yeah, which is, you know, I think people didn't think you would take it seriously. Was that record's been around so long? I think people thought that he hadn't done enough ultras to even throw his name in the hat for challenging a record, a historic record like that.

Yeah. I think they were thinking that he didn't even deserve to mention he's going to try to break it. Yeah, because with that in today's world comes clout. Like people think that you're a clout chaser. Yeah. Well, I think he showed that he was serious about it. Fucking beast, dude. Yeah, because he ended up, you know, he didn't get the record,

but he finished it, the 1,000 miles. Yeah, 12 days, 8 hours, I think, something like that. So, but his body was so beat up. Yeah, because I can't imagine the pain he was in. No. I mean, to even do a single 100-mile day, And then waking up the next day and just doing whatever the hell you want, it still hurts. Yeah.

But then knowing that you have to do 100 miles the next day. For 10 days. Yeah. I mean, because we were following that pretty close because obviously he's here or he's been here. He's done the lifter and shoot. And I was super impressed with how tough he was. I was like, holy shit. This kid is an animal.

And so, yeah, he's been like on our radar. And then he put that big goal out there. So we talked about it a lot. And then, you know, to watch them and fall along on that, yeah, I get that where he'd be. I mean, he inspires me too. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, he's a stud.

I don't. Who else is crushing it out there? The hardest geyser. Yeah, I haven't heard from him in a while, though. I don't even follow him now that I think about it. Yeah, right around Africa. Ran around Africa. Yeah.

Stud. Yeah. So, like, I don't know, just a lot of. endurance athletes more than anything. I think that's just, endurance is just so admirable because I've gotten a taste of it with some of the stuff that I do

and that I'm interested in. And it's just, no matter what, when it comes to doing something that is hard in endurance, you feel like quitting every single time. Or like you're pushed to the brink every single time. When you're thinking about like these 200 mile races,

is Ned going for the, is it the 10 day record? Yeah. For distance. Yeah, it was. Yeah. That or the pull-up record, every single person who does something like that is going to feel like quitting one way or another. And then not actually quitting and then going through with it still,

no matter how much pain you're facing, is just very admirable. And I like to follow along. I think you wanted to say admirable. What the hell am I saying? Admirable. Is that not right? Taryn. Admirable.

Admirable. Alicia? Admirable? I can't even say it. That's why I try not to. Admiral. Ammable. Macy leaves he's in.

Leave this in. Admirable. No. Admirable. That's not right. I'm sick and doing my guns. You guys don't know what the hell you're talking about. Okay.

Hey, college degree. No, no. Middle school degree. Middle school degree. James, I don't even have to ask. And then Taryn is in the middle of it. She's math. She doesn't, not know words.

You don't need to know words from me. No. I guess Alicia is actually, dang it. Alicia. Yeah. Oh, and she reads a lot too. Yeah, that's right. Reading is a fad.

I don't think that's going to stick around. So you're going to get 10,000 pull-ups in a day. At least, yeah. At least. When is this? Do we have a date? You know what? It's hard to corral the troops for this one.

Because I'm going head-to-head as right now versus Kane-Extein. He had the record in 2018, I think it was. He's broken it a couple times for the 24th. Sounds like a villain in a Batman movie. Kane X-Steen. Yeah. He's Australian. Ooh, that's even worse.

Yeah, so head-to-head two pull-up bars going for 24 hours, made the best man win. As of right now, that's set for like March, early March. Nice. Where? Well, we haven't decided that. Maybe Utah. Maybe L.A. Maybe here.

Yeah, just, you know, there's. some details we need to figure out, but I got accepted for the application. Now I just need to pick a date and go for it. But that actually reminds me that I wanted to say, what is the limit that people can get pushed to? Because I know that we've talked about this before, but I personally don't think I've ever been pushed to the limit where I think that like I can't go any further. Maybe subconsciously you kind of get to a point like during a marathon, you run across the finish line and just because someone told you that was the finish line you're like I'm done

but in reality if it was 27 miles you would have kept that same pace and kept going so it's like where what is have you ever been close to your limit you think physically no because even the Moab 240 race you finished running like six minute miles right no that was big foot big foot and moab and moab I came it was like I don't know what it was under seven but I but I remember Taylor saying he couldn't, he might not be able to keep that pace. Yeah. So, yeah, I felt good there. But Moab, I felt came in hot.

You know, it's like, I think you have, your mind tells you, like, if you do a marathon, you're done at 26. You think about on the day that you're going to do a marathon of somebody said, oh, actually, we're going to do 100 miles today. You'd be like, I can't do that. Yeah. Because you were mentally ready to do 26. When you do 100 mile race and then if somebody said, actually, this is.

one this is a mile up 240 now it's not a hundred mile you've looked like i can't do that but when you have the goal of like i'm running 240 miles yeah you do it so you set yourself up for whatever that is but i've never got to the end of whatever and have and that's all i could do and just collapse and have to go to er you know what i mean very few people Courtney as we've talked about can push yourself like that very few people i think it's like um self-preservation You know, you just won't let yourself push that hard. Well, what we even talked about the lactic acid. Lactic acid, if you push, you know, like trying to sprint up Piscay.

Yeah, your body's gonna, that lactic will build up and then you're like, yeah, I can't, and you can't just can't push. But I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if you can push so hard you can die. I mean, obviously we're not going to get there, but there's a long way from what I've done to dying. Mm-hmm. Where is that?

Yeah, I mean, what, what is it? I think Gagins maybe has said this, but like people usually, when they think they give 100%, it's actually 40%. That's what he says, yeah. I don't even know if that's based on anything. No, I don't know. But I think the point is you're not even close to where you could be.

Yeah, just because I think he's seen enough and done enough where he knows how it works. He knows when people quit. You know, he's seen people quit. But yeah, that's so interesting. It's just like I've always been interested in measuring willpower like what makes somebody be able to push harder than other people when Everybody's fatigued what's how do you measure willpower who wants it more? Like what measurable is that because that's not it's not like how much you can bench it's not like how many pull-ups you can do

It's just like how how much can you keep pushing when you want to quit and it's just walking or might be just slow jogging but why can one person do that so much better than the other person when they're both in shape? All comes down to mental. Yeah, but it's just crazy. So what is the limit? I don't know because we talked about like on Piscay, yeah, like your body will shut down before you pass out.

Like if you had a goal in mind, I'm going to sprint up Piscka as hard as I can. Your body's going to shut down before you die. But horses will push themselves to that limit and pass it. They can die. Yeah. They'll explode their heart. Yeah.

So I think maybe it's just like biologically we can't. But some people are better at it than others. Yeah. That's pretty fascinating to think about. Yeah. So I don't know what my limit is, but I think we're going to find out pretty soon with the pull-ups. Yeah. Because, yeah, the plan is 10,000.

It's at 9200 as of right now, 9250, I think is the actual. number and then so i mean even that though because as of right now i'm training if you did 400 an hour so 40 sets of 10 you get 400 down in the hour you can rest for 20 minutes um because it's on the minute then i would get to 9600 if i did that for 24 straight hours and like you've been doing like on was on thanksgiving you did 700 here or was that or no 500 500 yeah how many you do today 500 and then the day before Thanksgiving, 700, the day before that 300, and then the day before that did 3,000. Yeah, so, and you're not sore or anything?

No. Yeah. No. Your body's definitely built for that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Huh. Yep.

So building up the endurance there and callusing the mind is the biggest thing when it comes to the pull-ups because you don't want to be standing in the same place for 10 hours and doing pull-ups. Nothing's fun about it, not really rewarding, like going on a run and seeing new things and being out of nature. But you have a goal in mind and you told yourself you're going to do it,

so you're going to do it. Do you think, do you ever think about, like doing these incredible things? Do you ever think about how that impacts like other young men or society or maybe a next generation to see that, talk about how there's this man you ever hear this one guy truitt haines he did 10,000 do you ever think about that like a legacy

or are you still just so immersed in your own goals i think i like tyson's um take on legacy and how imagine like thinking how self-important you are to leave behind a legacy like people talk about you when you're dead so i mean i think that's cool to think about it that way because at the end of the day it doesn't really matter at the end of the day, actually pull-ups and exercise and fines doesn't really matter, but it's if it's for something. And then for me, like the whole reason why I wanted to quit my job and train for the pull-up

record, I told myself that it needed to be for something that was outside of myself and something that was actually important. And then so like what Kane and I are going to be doing is head-to-head, yes, for the record, yes, one person's name will be on the record. And hopefully that's mine. but we are teaming up with the Miracle Foundation to raise $500,000 for, like it brings kids together with their families that are separated, like whatever that may be.

It brings families together and helps kids who are like the most vulnerable. Because you think about a kid, they didn't ask for the life that they have. They just rely on their parents to take care of them. And so these kids are vulnerable. And then so this will help them find a family that loves them and take care of them. And then so I was like, as long as I have that that I'm working towards and it's not just for myself and for my own selfish goals or like my own fame and celebrity. None of that actually matters.

But if I can help them through just pushing myself physically, then it is for something. Then that keeps me going. That keeps me motivated. And then it's just, it's bigger than me. So at the end of the day, I am helping them, but it doesn't even matter that it's attached to me. my name, it's just that people are getting help. And if I can be a source of inspiration for some people in the fitness realm, that's great too because it's like whatever keeps you alive and happy and motivated and

disciplined, I'm thankful to contribute to that. You know, because like whatever people are interested in, that's what's keeping them from being depressed. Right. Distracted a little bit. Yeah, distract a little bit just from like, you know, because. Just a grind of life. Yeah.

Yeah, you get some mind on something else. Yeah, it can wear you down. So if people can see me working towards something, even if it's just exercise, because we are supposed to move our bodies, and it's so simple too, because you can just drop down, give me 50, 50 push-ups, you'll feel better after it. You're working towards something getting stronger.

It's very positive. Everything's positive about working out and getting faster and running and pull-ups chasing after goals. If I can help some people just to, kind of flip that switch, then hopefully that would help their suffering a little too. Yeah. Because, you know, depression is a real thing and we've all struggled with it. So it's like when I get messages saying that like I've inspired someone, it does feel good.

I don't think to myself like, man, I'm so. I'm a goddamn hero. Yeah. Am I hero? I really can't say. But yes. Well, I think it's good that you said, you say that too because there will be a lot of young men listening and you know they might for most of us it's easy to get wrapped up in our own self

our own goals but for you to say that you want to do it for a larger purpose of helping and making a difference and you know some kids lives who maybe got tough hand dealt you know ned did the same thing he he raised millions of dollars so i think it's i think it's really good to get um just that mindset out there that hey let's let's do it to help others instead of just being the self-serving goal. It's, you know, at the beginning of the day, it is, it starts self-serving because you have to be able to train and you have this goal that you're trying to achieve. But along with that, if you can do something positive for others, and that's, that's a great message. I think it's a good one that gets people to think, you know, and think about just, you know, look at things a little

bit differently. I think that's important too. I do, I didn't notice that people, you know, when that one kid beat the record, I think they like taking, somehow turning. into a negative on you like oh you got beat by a gamer what's that gamer's name uh Doug censor Martin I don't even I don't know what censor means but Doug Martin yeah but he's one did he do a bunch of I don't know it's official or not but he did like 9000 right yeah he's the one who officially has a record oh okay yeah so I mean so they like turn it into a oh a gamer beat you it's like well this fucking gamer's a beast I don't know he did 9000 pull-ups I don't care what his job or what he does all it takes and you don't

have to be special. Anyone can do it. It's just hours and hours. He trained for over a year. I remember when he started and I was like, this kid has zero chance. Really? But he stuck with it.

Yeah. Over a year of training, almost every single day, a lot of setbacks. And then he actually stuck with it and then he actually crushed it on record day. But it, I just, like for me,

if I go and do it, I'm just another person. All that I did was put in the time and the effort. That's all it takes. Yeah. That's all it takes for anyone to accomplish anything. Yeah. Yeah.

Just stick with it. Yeah, I think people, they give up on themselves or life gets in the way sometimes. You know, there's things that happen in life that are tough to overcome, not impossible, usually. But yeah, I think that persistence is the key for sure. I agree with that. Yeah, I mean, I think for him, he was a call-a-duty gamer. And then so he doesn't have like a regular job. So he's able to take a lot of time and train just like I am.

It's like, so if I'm not able to do these things, then I'm basically a big fat loser. Because I mean, what else would I be doing? Yeah. Yeah. So it's like I should be able to perform or else. Yeah, it's just a big waste of time. Well, yeah, that's good. Well, first you have probably the biggest contest of the year, the Christmas binge contest.

The Christmas binge contest. Yeah. I think we've done this since 2020. Did 14 yesterday. You did five. Do I need to say that again? Did the audio cut out at all? No, but so after that video, I mean, you haven't been benching at all, you know, because you've been hunting. But he did five. I think, I don't know what your goal is for that. You could for sure get double digits.

Okay. And then Tanner, after seeing that video, though, he said that he's no longer worried. for me to take the crown. So I guess, so the question is, can you do more than 14? Uh-huh. Because apparently he thinks he can. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. I guess we'll see. Well, stay tuned. That day. Not doing anything else. You did hundreds of pull-ups too, that same day. Yeah. Right?

Sure. No, I don't know how much that affects your bench, probably a little yeah probably a little probably a little yeah um yeah and i've had a sore throat for a week oh man and a half yeah week and a half but now i mean tanner just has yeah he's always been strong so i guess i guess we'll see but 14 i thought was good apparently it's not it's pretty good but yeah he's he's he's pretty strong for sure well um you have anything else any a shout out to your sponsors, where can people find you? My only fans is...

Yeah. No, actually, James could probably tell you. Big pull-up nuts. No, no big shoutouts. Yeah. Yeah, I'm usually doing one of three things, running, lifting pull-ups. Yeah, well, it was good. We had some good workouts here while you're here for Thanksgiving,

so that was fun. Miss that. Yep. Yeah, that was fun. Imagine how good a shape you'd be in if you lived here. That's true. Maybe that's why I don't want it. It's too hard. Yeah.

Beat me all the time. Yeah, no, it was good. All right, guys. Well, that's the update from the Just True fan club. So is your name? It's not Justin? All three of my fan club members. Are you ever going to change that to just, or fuck,

Truitt Haynes? No. I like the confusion. Yeah. Because people will send me things Justin Truitt. Then they're like, why don't you have the same last name as your dad?

Well, I do, actually, because my name is Truitt. Haynes. But now I'm just going to leave it, whatever. All right. That sounds good. All right, guys. Well, that's the update from Truitt.

Stay tuned for the next world record. 10,000 pull-ups in 24 hours. You heard it here first. And if I don't get it, I'm a loser. I believe in you. Peace. Hammering.