Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 111 - Special Colonoscopy Episode

Episode Date: January 18, 2025

Join us for a discussion with Cam and Gideon (James G. Williams) on some of the stories from the images in Cam’s book, Backcountry Bowhunting, Cam’s first colonoscopy, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Follow James: https://www.instagram.com/james_g_williams/  Thank you to our sponsors: Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order GoHunt: https://gohunt.com/ use code CAM when you sign up for $50 towards the gear shop + 10% off the GoHunt store Timestamps: 00:00:00 Intro 00:04:03 Stories Behind the Images: Backcountry Bowhunting 00:06:43 Image 2: Cam & the LLama 00:09:01 Image 3: Learn to Control Your Fear 00:10:48 Image 4: Topo Mapology 00:14:52 Image 5: A Great Packer 00:17:58 Image 6: Alaska Dall Sheep 00:19:47 Forward by: Dwight R Schuh 00:21:40 “Control Your Fear, or Your Fear Will Control You.” 00:26:32 Ad Break 00:28:00 We’re Just Corndogs for Bears 00:31:16 Backcountry Danger Rating 00:32:29 Having Passion for Things in Life 00:35:24 A Formula for Success 00:40:53 “Wapiti” 00:43:10 Casey Brooks 00:44:44 Outro

Every step I take I move my truth. Every time they tell me stop I use. Every comment hate that makes my feel. Gather up my energy and boom. I hear them talking, saying the way that I move is so reckless. That is a part of my mind I've been blessed with. Giving my blood so I am relentless. This is the Keep Hammering Collective Colonoscopy Edition.

Wait, what? That's news to me. Yeah, no, everyone's getting one today. No, kind of a fun little thing getting a camera shoved up my ass tomorrow. I was going to say, it's been a while since my death. I mean, it's not for any reason. It's just for fun, but some people do it for medical purposes. I just want to take a look.

Yeah. Okay. Not a gynecologist, but let me take a look. I love that. Yeah. So colonoscopy edition, welcome. Yeah. That means I'm fasting, which sucks. That's fun. I do that every day. That's why I look the way I do.

Yeah. So you look like a refugee. Someone yesterday told me that I looked like a runner and I was like a sprinter and they said, they said, no, one of the Kenyans. Well, yeah, except you're not good at running. Yeah. But so I got all the good looks without the benefits. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah.

So what do you got there? This is a replica. It's pretty sweet. I know. Isn't that neat? Yeah. So my Colorado Bull, Ovis Wildlife, Doug Barnes. I don't know.

This is kind of a new thing, but yeah, a little perfect, perfect replica of my bowl. Looks good. I know. It looks badass. Yeah. So people said, somebody commented. why don't you just keep the real antlers like I fucking threw them away or something

you run out of so much space you're going to mini-miles I'm going just to all replicas yeah no I still got the still got the real hours this is just for fun so don't don't be alarmed I mean people call you a trophy hunter so yeah yeah no no now I got now I got so it's meat trophy and trinkets so I'm even worse God. Okay, well, I got a fun little intro.

Obviously, you're familiar with Nate Illingsworth. Yeah. Okay, so if you're not familiar with him, he's a, I don't even know what you'd call him, comedian. He's a professional hunter, isn't he? Professional hunter. Yeah. He posted two days ago, I think, and he was like, oh, this is how I'm becoming a hybrid athlete. And somebody commented on there, no doubt I'm watching the next Keep Handler.

American collective hybrid athlete right after Gideon. Yeah. So I had to go under the comments and call them out a little bit. So Nate and I's idea is to do a hybrid challenge. Yeah. Yeah, we were talking. We were only allowed to wear three-inch shorts with crop tops. That's what he wears, isn't it?

Yeah. I mean, he kind of, you know, he's getting, he's doing a good job. He's losing some weight. he's down to about you ever see will feral doing the cowbell more cowbell on saturday night live so i mean he's getting close to there which is pretty cool he looked good in the post that he's doing yeah he's he's looking great yeah i'm glad i'm glad i don't know how much weight he's lost but i'm not sure either but i just i know uh looks a lot better i know i'm going to take him down so everyone should stay tuned for that the hybrid challenge Nate where am i camera 12

12. Okay. I'm coming for you. The next section, we have a special intro. Larry, roll it. Ladies and gentlemen. Oh, wait, I didn't hear it. Ladies and gentlemen. I don't hear it. You hit the ear? Ladies. And gentlemen. There we go. Welcome to the first episode of the Keep Hammering Book Club with Gideon. Thank you. That was good. That was good. Yeah. That was like, uh, It was like late night, Skinnamax. I was thinking Morgan Freeman. Oh, yeah. Morgan Freeman. Okay.

So yeah, we have Book Club. And today, what a book's at? This is Backcountry Bow Hunting, a guide to the wild side, written by Cameron R. Haynes. I've heard of it. Yeah.

I have too. Yeah. So my background with it is when I was 12, I think, I had a shitty little compound bow that I would hunt gophers with. It's like 20 pound bow, no sides, no release. And anyways, I got this book when I was like 12 and I made the connection when we first met, but other than that, I didn't know.

So anyways, that's my background. We'll get to the photo. You didn't know that was my book? I didn't know, like, when we met in Hawaii, I was like, I knew who you were, but then I was like, this is the guy. The picture that I've remembered my whole childhood. We'll get to the picture. Oh, gotcha.

But anyways. So, have you seen hot ones? Yeah. Okay. So they do this little segment where they go through the guest Instagram, find photos, and the guest has to give background. Oh, okay. So we're going to do that. Okay.

Okay. So the first photo, and for the non-viewers, just the listeners, I will describe the photos. Okay. This is photo number one. This one. Mm-hmm. So this photo is Cam sitting next to a huge pile of sheds with the moon behind him as he's looking at his laptop. Mm-hmm.

That's a classic. So Northwest Territories, Caribou Hunt, back at camp. Okay. I took my laptop everywhere because I'd edit or write or do whatever. Yeah. It's working for Eastman's. I think there's like 2006 maybe. Okay.

But yeah, that's it. Huh. What were you? Do you remember what you were working on? No. Okay. It's just on the tundra up there in the Arctic. And, yeah, just out there pounding away on the keyboard.

I think that photo is sick. Yeah. I think Mike Eastman took it, but now I can't remember. Okay. But yeah. That's a cool. That was a fun trip. So here is the second photo for the viewers.

Good? Okay, this photo is, is that you? Yep. Okay, so Cam is standing. Oh, I'm on the right. came and standing on a on a ridge looks like a fresh fresh dusting of snow holding a llama yeah and you're in shorts yeah yeah um okay so that one i was in there elk hunting i i think i killed a bull and then my buddy so we had the llamas my buddy went back took the llamas lost one and it was

loose back in the wilderness like 12 miles back so I'm like, God, you know, my buddy Tim Thompson. So I said, okay, and I think this is how it all went, but I said, okay, I'll go back over and find it. And, you know, I mean, it's the largest wilderness area in Oregon, the Eagle Cap Wilderness, 356,000 acres. Lamas can go a lot of different places. So I'm like, I'll take my old lady back there.

This will be like, you know, sort of like going to Hawaii. It's like a vacation. Like sort of like vacation, you know, going, or maybe Mexico. or some people go, some people get crazy, go to maybe Costa Rica. I said, let's pack in in the snow 12 miles and try to find this llama in the wilderness. And so we take, you know, whatever, pretty romantic.

So we take off, we get back and it wasn't snowing, but it started to snow once we got at higher elevation and got back in there and started to spit snow pretty good. And she started to cry, said, this is how people die, hypothermia, this and that. So I said, all right, we'll just head back at, so we were like six miles in right there. Head back out, by the time we get back down to town,

the storm had passed as sunny and nobody was dead. And I didn't have a llama. Did you find the llama? Got the llama. It came all the way back down to town. What? And they called. Yeah, somehow we got a, we,

somebody figured out who it was or we got a call and my buddy Tim went and got the long. Okay. So yeah, all was well. All worked out, yeah. Okay, this is the next photo and this is the photo that,

for whatever reason, imprinted on my brain as a 12 year old. This is you climbing a rock cliff with your bow strapped to your pack. What's the backstory here? That was a photo shoot.

Okay. That was a reenactment. So Nate Simmons, who I think he does Western Hunter still, but I worked for Eastman's. And I can't remember if he worked for Eastman at that time or if that was before that. But he had filmed me before. So me, him and Trace again took her on a big, big honeymoon, another vacation, all the way back in there and got some photos and camped out. I thought it was awesome. Yeah.

Got some sick photos. She didn't think it was that great again. But yeah, that was Nate's handywork. We did that for it's a company called Robinson Labs. And I remember I think they paid me $1,000. And this is like a full day of driving, a full day or two couple days packing a million miles on there. And then another day of driving kind of. So like, yeah, four days of effort.

For whatever reason there was multiple times, I would remember this photo. and I would be like, okay, this guy, this crazy guy on this photo is climbing this clip face with his bow on his back, no rope. I can do this. Yeah, yeah. Now, that was actually kind of sketchy right there. But to get the right angle and make it look sketchy, yeah, it was kind of pretty fun. Okay, next one.

Nate Simmons is legend. This is a good one. Okay. This one is of Tanner. Yeah. Good. This one is Tanner. He is sitting on a little rock outcropping. But the caption is, and country is big and rugged as this, as this is here in the Eagle Cap, a guy would be lost without a good topo map and just as important the ability to read it. Luckily, Tanner Haynes is well-schooled in topomapology. He is now. I mean, that's, I think he was about 12 there.

So I think I was speaking out of turn on that caption. But yeah, now like, you know, going a hard part of not Ranger School, but RASP is they call it Coal Range. And that's they have to navigate. And it's like a huge, a lot of guys fail at. But Tanner's really good at navigation. So I guess I was like a little foreshadowing there because he is, you know, pace counts and he's protractors and asthma. and he's, he can, I mean, he's way better than me now. But back then, he was mostly just allergic to a horse dander.

So we rode in on horses and his whole face was all puffed up. I mean, what amount do you think of his time spent with you in the backcountry kind of helped with his navigation in the military? Probably not navigation, just being tough, though. Yeah, no, we didn't. I never even, I sort of quizzed him. Mike, because my plan was, and I wish I would have done it, but I was going to take the boys back there a million miles back, which, you know, they did at different times, but I was never

separated. So I was like, my plan was there's this place back there. Right there were scouting for sheep. His grandpa, my wife's dad, drew a sheep tag in 2004. And it's once in a lifetime in Oregon. And it was, I had him put in for that area. Only time he's ever put in for that area and he drew it. And I put in for it my whole life. And so I'm like, okay, I'm going to go back and find the biggest ram and, you know, see if we can keep track of that for when the season opens. And so we found the ram, ended up being the ram that he killed. I took him back in there and got an awesome ram. He's got a shoulder mount of it.

But that was Tanner was with me scouting there. So my plan was, long story short, is that area was kind of had, is a ridge top, it had some spine ridge going off of it. I'm like, I'm going to bring my boys back here. We're all going to have a tent. I'm going to get them set up on their own ridge. So it would be like a mile apart. But I wanted them to spend the night by themselves, like in a tent. Even though a mile is a long way, which pitch black.

And when you're on a lonely ridge in the middle of the night, a lot of men don't like that. Yeah. So I thought, no, my kids, they need to know, okay, I'm right. I'm right there. I mean, something could happen technically, but I decided to be a great exercise for you're on your own. Get some sleep. I'll see in the morning.

Yeah. And I fucking never did it. God, so still so pissed at myself. I remember my day this time I was hunting, pitched a tent down by this little lake, like high alpine lake. And I woke up in the middle of the night and heard what I thought was, you know, an animal of some kind eating something or, or whatever.

And so I started yelling, hey, hey, and then eventually fell back asleep, didn't really stop, so I'm like, whatever it is, doesn't care. And I'm not getting out of my tent. Woke up in the morning, it turns out, it was just the water laughing against their rocks. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Brutal, felt like an idiot. Yeah, no, but do you know how many people create shit in their head? That's not even close to reality? I've done it a lot. Yeah, so I mean, that's what drives a lot of people out of the mountains. Yeah. Is their fucking brain.

Yeah, I've done, I've had a lot of sleepless nights in the mountains, you know? A lot of people have. Yeah. Okay, next one. This is a good one. Yep. That's Barry Cox right there is that Packer. And he was a great resource for me.

I use him for drop camp sometimes, sometimes just to come in and get kills out on that hunt right there, which just is hard to do in the wilderness. So I killed a nice 4x4 mule deer buck and a nice bull, same hunt. Yeah, your caption is, A Great Packer, Barry Cox loaded down with a trophy bull and buck from my best wilderness adventure. Yeah. So that is tough to do on the same trip. And I killed that buck on day like six or seven and I killed the bull like the next day.

So if the buck was seven, the bull was eight, the buck was six, the bull was seven. point is it'd been a while i hadn't killed and then i got those back to back um hard shot on the buck is sort of moving a little bit at like 70 yards i had my whole camp and pack on Nate was filming and i just snuck one in quartering away he went straight down the hill piled up then the bull i i can't remember if i told the story on here but you can relate to this we're going through the dark timber coming out and i had the herd up there in this boulder field and the bowl was coming from left to right. And Nate's behind me, but I needed to get out to see where the elk were, we're in the dark timber, but we're going to be popping out sort of out of that

into the light. And when, I mean, you're easy to see if you can shoot from the shadows better, but I needed to see exactly what the layout was. So I told Nate, stay right there for a second. I get up there. Then I'm like, okay, there he is. Here he comes. Pull back, shoot. And I assumed while I was doing all that, Nate would have said, oh, shit's getting ready to go down. I better get up there.

No, because I told him to stop. He stayed back there in the fucking middle of nothing where he couldn't see anything. And so then I shoot, I turn around and he's, you know,

10 or 20 yards back. And I'm like, what the fuck? I told him to stop. Yeah. I didn't tell him, okay, come up. So it's all on me,

you know, expecting people to be mind readers. But anyway, that's the story. Made a good, on that bowl. It died in the boulder field. I got a really good kind of a cool kill shot of it with the it's this canyon. There's no trails into it. So getting getting the horses back there, especially in the Boulder fields, horses can't get two boulders. I mean, their horses, the legs go through cracks and

crevices. So I had to pack it out of the boulder field. But yeah, Barry came in, got picked up the bull in the buck and it's a great trip. Yeah, the photo just to describe it as, you know, three horses in a pack string on a rocky ridge but you're skyline against some really rugged country uh obviously with the bull and buck yeah other two horses but um those are spanish mustangs really good really good uh sure-footed horses yeah yeah he looks like a badass in that photo he is a badass one more photo this one is right here okay this photo yeah remember it well is of you with your doll sheep in a bunch of snow with what is that little bivy yeah and an ice tool next to you yeah with some pretty rugged mountains in the background yeah that roy took that photo uh so it's 2008 that was

2008 that was on my birthday october 2nd 2008 and uh yeah right so i kill if you're looking at that photo i killed that ram to the left to the right of that photo is where roy fell and died So it's like that country, super rugged, Pioneer Peak, very like when you're in Wasillo where Roy lived, you can look up and you can see Pioneer Peak. It's like, you know, the valley floor is sea level. At the top of Pioneer Peak is like 6,600. So it's a big climb. We had to pack in from zero feet elevation to think our camp is probably about like 55 maybe.

It's a pretty good grind and then killed that ram. Everything's good there. We're eating our food because they got the kill. So the season is 10 days long from October 1st to the 10th. And we had 10 days worth of food, but I killed. So we're like party. We're boiling water. We can use all our propane or gas, whatever we had.

And we could melt snow, drink, e, ram on our back. It was a great trip. 2008, never forget it. Yeah, that photo is sweet. Okay, to the next section. So I wanted to know your foreword here is written by Dwight Shoe. At the time, what did that mean to have him write the forward? Because I think a lot of people have heard of Dwight Shue.

Yeah, he's a legend. One of the greatest hunting writers, for sure, bow hunting writers of our time. He went to Oregon here, school of journalism. Just bud hunted his whole life, bow hunted here in Oregon in the Eagle Cap wilderness. So we always had that connection, had llamas like we used to. Hunting with Larry Jones, who lives here and was also a legend.

You know, we've talked about elk fever, and I think you guys were trying to round up that video. But, yeah, Dwight and Larry, for us were like the icons, and he was editor of Bowhunter, which was always the best Bellinian magazine in my opinion and the biggest. And so that was like, having him write that forward was just a validation for me and meant everything

because I had admired him for so long. And yeah, we ended up becoming friends. We shared a hotel and actually a bed in Boston. We both ran the Boston Marathon. No kidding. It's expensive back there in Boston during race week. So I said, hey, you, you, we can just share a room if you want.

Well, didn't know one bed. So we shared the bed there in Boston, and he, I think he broke four hours, so right under four hours, which is pretty damn good. He was a little older, you know, older than me, obviously. And that was the year that I ran with Lance, so it was that same year, 2008. But, yeah.

That's awesome. Dwight's a legend. It was a legend. He's gone now. Okay, this next section I really liked. The same photo I showed you that had kind of stuck with me. Of course, I was a dumb kid when I saw it, so I didn't read the quote that was on it. Don't read, yeah.

I still don't know how to read. I'll try my best. To he or the? Or like Larry last time. I'm just saying what everyone else wants to say. Come on Larry. We're working on that. Okay.

is learn to control your fear or your fear will control you, which I really like that because... Did I actually come up? Why is my name there? I don't know. If I came up with that, I'm smarter than I thought. Well, it's like in the office, you know, you miss every shot you don't take Wayne Gretzky, Michael Scott.

Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah, but anyways, I like this quote. Connor and I talk about old Larry, sorry. He doesn't have a real name. Talk about this all the time, which is like living, letting, I guess, living through fear, making your decisions based off fear. So in this whole section, you kind of talk about fear.

But you had an interesting take, which is using fear as an advantage, instead of trying to get rid of it, using it as a way to, I mean, you say, you know, you're going to be more awake, more aware, wiser, more tolerant. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that section there specifically, I talked about fear because as, you know, you know, you're going to be more awake. as we discussed earlier about sleeping in, you know, if I was going to do that with my kids, most guys act tough. Yeah.

It's cool to act tough. It's fun, right? Everybody's a badass. And I'm like, I don't really feel like a badass. I feel like a big fucking pussy back there. Because I was like, when I first started doing it, I was hearing the noises, just like you did.

Just like I think everybody does it when they're starting out. We're so used to being around people and entertained and safe and comfortable. You take all that away. and then you're also by yourself, which we're not accustomed to be alone. And that is, there's a lot of fear there. Even, I don't care how tough you want to try to act. You're by yourself back there.

You're hearing shit. You're thinking, like, can I, do I have enough food and water? Can I get out of here? What if weather comes? You're like all these, I don't know, you're just questioning everything. And so I wrote about that. And I was just like, yeah, people do worry about it.

You know, I get it all the time. Like, do you ever see lions when you're running or predators? And when you're back there, you think about all that stuff. So I was just like, I'm just going to talk about it and write about it. Yeah, it is, it can be scary in the mountains by yourself in the middle of the night. And nobody, I'd never heard anybody talk about it. So that whole chapter is about, yeah, there's sometimes we're going to face or have to deal with fear and either we can run away from it or be like, great.

Yeah, yeah, you know, I think guys especially like to act tough when they're with their buddies. Oh, yeah. You're in a group, but when you're back there by yourself, no one's there to back you up, you know? I've seen even, I mean, you know, the mountains, very humbling. I've seen a lot of people who just, it's just not for them. Yeah. And that's fine. Yeah.

It's people are, you know, they enjoy different things. Yeah. You know, one of our episodes, we talked about running and, you know, I walk, you know, I'm not running the whole time. I think you even said the same. And people like to, they really related to that. I think a lot of people think, oh, if I'm going to go run, I have to run the whole time. And then it becomes this big daunting task. And what I liked, well, as you were saying in this section, he talked about, he said, I'm not too proud to admit that when I first started doing the solo thing deep in Oregon wilderness or Alaska's Codiac Island, I was intimidated beyond belief.

no not just intimidated at times i can admit now i was afraid yeah yeah i was here we have one of the most badass boll hunters ever who was intimidated and afraid well in the beginning yeah i don't know about most badass but i remember like that photo there you didn't we didn't talk about it but that's on kodiak little bivisack rain's fucking you know you go there basically would go on there on Halloween. So that first week of November, first 10 days or 12, sometimes we stay 12 days, that was always the best for the rut. But you're just getting, the weather is usually terrible. And so Roy and I would get dropped off on the beach with a little Super Cub, different trips in. And then we'd be like, okay, well, I'm going to go this way, you'll go that way.

I see it in 12 days if I don't see it before. No plans on anything. And so that night, I remember I killed that buck and I was like it's a nice four point buck and I'm like gutting it looking over my shoulder the whole time going which way's a wind going because the bears always they smell yeah so they're just coming up right the trail of the wind and uh I'm like I killed that buck and I'm like man I you know like looking around looking around I see these bear like walking to the bottom of the valley it seemed like it was a sow and a cow and two full grown cubs but um you're say full ground they might be 400 pounds they're just they could kind of survive on their own even though they hang out with their mom but the sow looked like a Volkswagen bug down there I mean I was

just like oh my god that bear is so you know a thousand pound bear or whatever they are and uh so I'm like trying to get this buck taken in somehow way over the ridge I see Roy never planned on even seeing him he comes over and we get a picture together But it was, I think I started, what I started to tell the stories was the night before. It's dark from, and I think I talked about in that chapter, but it would get dark at about four in the afternoon and light at about nine in the morning.

So. It's a lot of darkness. Oh my, what, I don't know, it seemed like I figured before was like 17 hours, but like, let's see, 12, yeah, so 17 hours of night. Yeah. That's a long night. You know, you know,

You talk about, like, if you're hunting in September, early September in the West for elk, it's going to be dark, like dark, dark from maybe almost 10 till, I mean, for something. Yeah, right. It's starting to sun's, getting a little gray light. So short night. Yeah. 17 hours, brutal, dude. And you're laying there, you think you hear stuff like in your tent, like you said that. I mean, in a bivisack laying on your face, all condensation.

and you're soaked from being out there all day in the rain. And you're just laying there that. Baby's right on your face like this. And it's pitch black. And you're like, somebody would say that was like, basically you're like a corn dog for a bear. Taking a blanket.

Yeah, picking a blanket. So I remember the nights were brutal on that hunt. And so I saw Roy somehow he came. was by him even though we were miles apart for mosa hunt then we went back down and remember we cooked up some steaks uh backstrap steaks and we're laying there and uh we had i remember us talking about how we weren't very smart because we had um like a pan full of backstrap laying there scent waifting or what wafting or whatever whatever that just imagine scent like like a cartoon yeah through the air and we're like we're probably not that smart to be cooking in

our tent have this pan laying in between us full of backstrap but whatever yeah i think later in the book you you give your crossbones rating oh yeah sick of blacktail and it was uh i think you gave it four yeah there's a lot of risk there's risk there i mean you're around those big big bears um But yeah, on that, what I did, because I was like all DIY public land. So I'd like, I think I had the five best value DIY public land adventures. But then it had also the, like the danger rating type thing. Yeah, yeah, here it is. Yeah, Sitka Blacktail.

Let's see. It's pretty fun. Loss of life or limb rating. We get a four. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's great.

It's mostly because of the, I mean, the plane, there's a plane crash there. so you're getting flown in. Yet like that picture there is a deer strung way up to get it away from the bear, way up a meat pole. The thing is way in the air. Yeah, it's just like those bear, I don't know, they're pretty intimidating. But it's just the weather, the bear,

the logistics of getting in and out. There's a lot to navigate. In one section in here you talk about success. and you say success will be rare for a bow hunter who lacks passion and drive, which is obviously true to bow hunting, but I think that's really true in general, you know, to anything anyone does.

Oh, in life, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To be successful, you know, I feel like you have to have passion and drive.

Yeah, you know, and that's the thing is, you know how many people go through life? And with no, just kind of getting day to day, like, where's the fucking passion? What do you care about?

And it's just, that's kind of sad to me if I'm going to, I don't want, whatever. I mean, I don't know. I mean, this is such a gift to be able to chase dreams to set goals to self-improvement, to maybe what people have a goal, write a book to see the world, like, what do you care about? What's your, and just to get through every day and not like, get the most out of your life, that seems pretty tragic to me. So I love people who can identify their passion and then chase it.

And I think what I was getting at is most people never really do it, never really find what moves them. Yeah, I mean, I talk to people and especially friends, my age and I do not envy someone who doesn't know what they're passionate about. You know, that's hard. A lot of people don't know what they want to do or what they feel like they're here for.

And yeah, that's got to be rough, you know. Yeah, and I think there's, I mean, I don't know, what is your passion, what is your passion creating? Yeah, yeah, I mean. Creating, getting feedback, moving people by whatever you create with photos or video. And yeah, there's something, I don't know, impacting others. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I wouldn't understand why.

but I think it's the only thing I've ever wanted to do. So I feel lucky that I've had that compass, you know, in my life. So yeah, anyways. That's beautiful. Thank you. This next section is ASMR. Wait, listen to this. We just lost 90% of our listeners.

Do people like that? I think people listen to that shit, don't they? I think for some people, well, Macy, I won't make you end this out. Now, hey, if we could just have. the audio of the colonoscopy, AM-A-S-M-R of it. Yeah. We'll just build from the slurping the coffee to the colonoscopy. Oh, that is heinous.

Hainous, anus. That's me. Along those lines of kind of the success, and you mentioned self-improving, in the book, you also give like a hunt report card, which I thought was super cool, but I think that's super applicable, applicable? It works. To life as well. You said it better than Larry could.

Yeah. Do you do that with kind of everything? You look back and give yourself a report card, what you did right, if you did wrong, you know, a grade? Yeah. I mean, just in general, I'm not trying to do anything different than what I do right now. I'm just trying to do everything better. And so whatever I've been doing, I just want to be better at it.

Because the formula I have is like, this works. Like if you say lift run shoot, if you say whatever, you know, yeah, run the mountain, however many times, how many miles a week, shoot how many arrows. I'm just trying to get better at what I do. I'm not trying to add new shit in. Add new hobbies or new little twists on stuff. So, yeah, I'm trying to improve. And, you know, when I think about like, you know, my hunts this year, I can always get better.

I can always, there's things where I made, you know, if I think about like, of course I killed on all my hunts, but there's times during those hunts where I made mistakes and I could have killed sooner. Like, when I think about the one, there's that one little clip where I said something about your pants swishing, but that bull, there's no reason I should not have killed that bull. That was me, that was me. I don't know what I could have done differently, but I had that bowl at 37 yards and how did he get out of there without an arrow in him? And it was an awesome bowl. So I'm just like, how could, what did I do?

How did I push when I should have been more patient? Was I too patient when I should have pushed? So I'm always like breaking down each scenario and just like when I think about that one right there, I know there's a time the bull hat was to the right. I could see his anglers. I couldn't see his eye. I should have closed quicker to get because what happened was I got to 37,

which in that setting there was about max shot distance just because there's a bunch of trees and shit in there, a bunch of quakees. And that was about 37 to 45 yards. It was about as far as you're going to shoot there. So by only getting to the furthest end of that, I really screwed up my potential opportunities because it had to be like he had to turn, give me one,

and I had to stop them, be a full draw and ready to shoot quickly. If I would have closed quicker when his eye was blocked and maybe to 25, then I have so much more opportunity because instead of one lane or two lanes, I would have had maybe six lanes of opportunity to stop them or to have him stop naturally without me stopping, which is what I'd rather do. I want to kill them without them ever knowing I'm in the area.

But so I think about things like that like, okay, I should have closed when I could have instead of laying back. And so yeah, when I think about that one, I had the same other one in the rain. Yeah, I mean, that other big bowl I got to 39 yards on should have got got him killed. When the wind switched. Yeah. So I'm always thinking about like how I can be better at my craft and just implementing waste to just get the animal killed, how I can be just more effective.

Yeah. Yeah, but I think about every hunt. I mean, because I think a lot of times we, we get, we trick ourselves and we think, oh, we were successful. We must have done everything perfect. And I know I don't. Right. I'm successful, but I'm not perfect. So it's like I can always get better.

I'm always thinking about, you know, every hunt, every hunt I can, I have scenarios like that where I'm like, could have been better. Yeah. I mean, I think it's for some people, at least, and me included, it's easier to learn from failures because it's, it's in your face. There's no avoiding. I failed. You know, what did I do wrong?

But I think it's also just as important to learn from the, from the wins as well. Well, that is another pet peeve of mine now that you brought it up. Like when people say, you'll learn more from failure. I'm like, no,

that. I can learn from success too. I don't need to fail to learn. So that's my point. It's like, I don't want to have to fail. I don't want to fail. I'm not going to fail.

But I'm not going to fail. I'm not going to say I'm not going to learn. Right. You know, but you don't have to fail to learn, you know, and that's, that's kind of where people like can kind of trick themselves a little bit like, oh, it's okay to fail because, you know, this is hard. Everybody fails. I'm just like, I'm not comparing myself to anybody.

I want to win every single time, but I also want to learn. Right. So, yeah. It might be just some analytics, but I look at everything probably different than most people. Final point. And I'd like to lay this debate to rest. And you're probably not the person to ask, but you are today. In your book, you mentioned this word.

And I want to know how you pronounce it. Actually, I can tell you, bonzai. Is that the word? No. Oh. But now we know. Yeah. All right.

Here's the word. I won't say it. Oh, yeah. Wopity. Ah. Yeah. That's Indian word. word for elk. I know, but I've always said Wapiti. Okay. That sounds more Native American to me.

I don't know. I think it's Wapiti. Damn it. Yeah, I don't know. That might be my whatever, screwed up culture. But yeah. I mean, if I was really fucked up, I'd do a terrible impression. Oh, the guy with Arrowhead from Napoleon Dynamite. I mean, you could do it. Eero head. Yeah. Did he say Wapiti ever? Well, how would he say it? He would say Wapiti.

Well, say it how he'd say it. Talk like him. Isn't that Greek man over there? I found that Wapidi arrowhead. So is this an arrowhead just for elk? Is that what he found? Yeah. Oh, nice.

Pretty wild. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. It's going to go in the collection of arrowheads. Yeah. That's cool. Well, that's disappointing. I owe a couple people an apology.

Yeah, it's not going to be your last. No, no, it's not. You know, because you think like old Native American. Yeah. I'm going to get edited out anyways. Yeah. And speaking of like Native American, where is my Santa Carlos elk tag? Do you have it?

Yeah, I got sent to my place. Oh. And unfortunately, they put it in my name. Oh, dang. congratulations which is weird yeah yeah so you owe me 40,000 then oh uh no they they said you'd take care of it on uh yeah i did talk to Casey Brooks called me the other day oh really so he said because I put up that thing sort of you know I just hate when hunters talk shit about other hunters right it's pretty but uh so he saw that or or listen to it or something like that and he

said that so we talked about the kill and talked about everything it was you know kind of a cool story but he said because i had his back this is where he's telling the story the cape hammering collective i know exclusive and he's gonna he had the antlers with him and he's like i'd go show you this picture these antlers there in his truck so we did a face time and i saw him but uh so he's gonna bring the antlers oh that's awesome yeah and he's he's like you will not believe how big these things are because It's $490, right? So, I mean, I'm going to let them have this world record until this year. Because I'm planning on killing a, well, if I ever get that tag,

plan on killing a 500 inch on San Carlos. So about that tag. Yeah, where are we? Yeah, but that's pretty cool. I do want a whole, I mean, 490 inches of ant, Antler, I can't even imagine. I can't either. Because you look at, you know, it's 100 inches bigger than, I mean, my biggest, yeah, I mean, it's a lot bigger.

Crazy. Yeah. Awesome bull. Well, that's all I had besides everyone wishing you a good colonoscopy. Yeah. Good. I think we're going to live stream it. I'm kind of looking forward to it because it's, you know, I'm.

But anytime I call in there and talk about like, I've asked a question about, oh, can I drink this or eat this or whatever the hell it is. And I'm always like, okay, well, I'm really looking forward to seeing you guys Friday. It should be fun. And they're like, he he he, he. And I'm like, I hope these girls in there, because for some reason, I don't know why it's always like young girls in this. And I'm just like, I'm hoping they're taking like selfies and stuff. while you're on the table. Yeah.

Passed out. The camera in your ass? Yeah. Camera in my ass. It's like, so that's, that'd be kind of fun. Yeah, that's fun.

Post it on their Snapchat story. Yeah. I mean. Good day in the office. God. Freaking. I don't, yeah,

I don't really like to thought of just being, I like getting knocked out or whatever they do to, I mean, I had to have one before because I'm old as fuck, but, Better than being awake for it.

Yeah, I was talking to my buddy the other day, and I was like, God, I got to get this thing on Friday. Have you ever had one? He's like, yeah, I've had like five of them. I'm like, why? What? Do you want me to see if I can get you in? We can do a double on Friday?

Do you like to do them? Double header. Double header colonoscopy. Yeah, I mean, maybe they got a two-headed machine. Like, we could do it at the same time. I don't know. You know, it could be like a couple's colonoscopy appointment. Yeah, that's a great idea.

Yeah. If they don't do it already, they should. You know, instead of going to the middle of wilderness for a honeymoon, you could, you know, your very own colonoscopy. But yeah, so tomorrow's the day. I got to go start my, my, uh, what, cocktail to clean you out. God, which is why I had to do, like, I did three summers this morning fasted. because I can't eat, man, that sucked. Now you're on a cut. No, I got to make weight, dude. I'm going to wear a garbage sack in there tomorrow.

So I'm sweating. Be like a vision quest. Do you ever see Vision Quest? I've seen it, but I know what a Vision Quest is. No, it's a wrestling movie. Really? Yeah. Oh, I'm going to have to.

No, you got to watch it. It's a classic. But, yeah. Can't remember his name, but he had to make weight, so he's always running with a garbage bag over his head, or not over his head, but over his body. Anyway, yeah, so I got to get to making weight, so we got to go.

Got a big bout tomorrow. Yeah, we'll let you guys know how it goes. Yeah, check the live stream. All right, guys, keep hammering.