Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 119 - Sh*t Talkers Weekly 3

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

Join us for a conversation with Cameron Hanes and James G. Williams as they cover their trip to LA to hand over the truck to the winner, some advice from Cam on the hunting industry, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Follow James (Gideon): https://www.instagram.com/james_g_williams/  Thank you to our sponsors: GoHunt: https://gohunt.com/ use code CAM when you sign up for $50 towards the gear shop + 10% off the GoHunt store Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off  Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription MUD\WTR: https://mudwtr.com/cam use code CAM for 15% off  Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Timestamps: 00:00:00 Cam’s New Book - Audio Version 00:03:03 The OSCARS - Cam’s Favorite Movies 00:05:22 LA, Truck Giveaway & Travis Barker 00:14:14 Elk Heaven Giveaway 00:19:16 Katie Knight Hunt Film 00:21:35 Is Social Media Creating Weak Men? 00:25:09 Fatherhood VS Mentorship 00:28:02 Escaping the Victim Mentality 00:31:40 Ad Break 00:34:05 Comparing Yourself to Others VS Competing Against Yourself 00:37:24 23 Years for a 72% Chance to Draw the Best Tag in Oregon 00:39:11 Embracing the Suck - Hunting in the Wilderness 00:41:28 Turning Miserable Situations into a Positive 00:45:08 A Growth Mindset 00:51:03 People Cam Would Love to Teach Hunting to 00:53:10 Upcoming Races

Every step I take, I move my truth. Every time they tell me stop I use. Every comment hate that makes my feel. Gather up my energy and boom. I hear them talking, saying the way that I move it's so reckless. That is a part of my mind I've been blessed with. Giving my blood so I am relentless. Okay.

Okay. We are so back. So back. This is the keep crammering selective. Keep hammering collective. Welcome to Macmillian. Oh my God. Reading that fucking book was driving me crazy.

Yes, I can say, so my publisher is McMillan. I can say Australia. But if I start saying it too many times, saying McMillan, McMillian, wait, see? here we go. McMillan, that's a publisher

by itself, McMillan, Australia. That's where they are. Yeah, that's who's, they want a version there. You cannot,

no human can say McMillan and Australia together. The tongue-twister. It doesn't work. McMillan, Australia. Yeah, right. You can't.

Nobody can do that. I guess not. Or at least I can't. When I'm, fucking reading my book. Yeah, when you're 24 hours in, and that's the final take. God, man, 24 hours.

So, hey, buy that audio book because that is harder than anything I've ever done. Reading 80,000 or 90,000 words legibly. Yeah. You think it went okay, though? I mean, that was one of the only takes I heard. Shit.

Eventually, I think it did. I don't know. I said, can we just have AI do this? I can just talk and then you can do something. But yeah, I mean, it just has to. I just don't talk perfectly. I definitely don't read perfectly. So you match those up.

And yeah, it's 24 hours. And I think the book will probably be like the listen time is like maybe seven or eight hours. So it took me three times that to get like a clean version. That's crazy. Yeah, it's nuts. That's definitely the worst part of writing a book. But so many audiobooks sell. No, and it's worth it when the author reads their book.

Yeah, I mean, everybody says that. I'm going to, my advance next time is going to have to be a lot if they're going to expect me to read. Another one. God is brutal. Yeah. Anyway, got it done. You know what? You know what is happening tonight? No.

The Oscars. Oh, that's right. Yeah. I did see a picture of Adam Sandler wearing a hoodie. A hoodie in long shorts? I'm ready. You're dressed up as Adam Sandler. Yeah, I could go right now.

Yeah. But I wanted to speed round, get your three all-time favorite movies. Okay. Go. Shit. First blood. I don't know if I've seen that. Somebody else hadn't seen that.

I was going to. I almost just left. Yeah. So classic first blood. Rocky 3. We have established previously the Rocky series is where you learned well Rocky 5? Five.

Yeah. You learned about Russia. Yeah. And there's been some changes since that movie, which I didn't realize. Yep. And then for the probably goodwill hunting. Oh, that is such a good movie. Yeah.

I mean, that's a good movie. So those three, you know, I don't know, Goodwill hunting is a little more recent than the other when Sly was in his prime back in the day in the 80s or 90s. But, yeah, Goodwill Hunting is awesome. I think my number one of all time is Backdoor Sluts 9. Not, okay, yeah. I mean, eight seemed, it didn't seem like it was great. Well, it seemed forced.

Maybe that. She shouldn't say that. Yeah, I mean. Nine, it seemed like they were genuinely having a really good time. Yeah. So. I, I just liked, yeah, I just feel like everybody really stepped up their game in Backdoor Sluts Nine. Yeah, we were talking earlier today about if you could live in any movement.

movie, what would it be? And that for me is same answer. Yeah. But which role? Well, obviously, one of the backdoor slots. Oh, God. BDS. Yeah. So, okay. Well, it's been a second. So we got a little bit to catch up on to before we get or catch up on before we get into the meat and potatoes. So we drove the truck down. to L.A.

We did. Yep. It was Connor and I driving down there. We did it in two days. It was like a full day of driving. The traffic in L.A. is, I don't know what everyone's complaining about. Yeah. It's really easy.

I didn't see any. Yeah. No cussing. And I didn't call anyone names. It's good. Yeah. Well, why would you? And I wouldn't.

Yeah. It's a city of love. Angels. I mean, yeah, whatever. Same thing. But yeah, so we gave the truck away. Oh, I came up with a new shirt. Oh.

You know what it is? I know I try to read your mind, but this time I'm failing. Shit. Why can't I remember the... Okay. Let's see. I can't remember. Never mind.

I got to come back to it. Also, you can't say fuck. Why? Well, people are getting mad that you're bleeping cuss words. They are? Was that a complaint? In the complaint department? Some guy commented,

Cam, you claim to be this blue-collar guy. Stop bleeping cuss words. God. Be a real man. Yeah, if you cuss, normally if you cuss and like, my kids listen to this and blah, blah, blah, which, okay, maybe you should cuss for any of your kids more. So they're not shocked when they hear it because they're going to hear in life. So I'm trying to help you. But now it's, I beep them out.

You're still the bad guy. Yeah, because I was like, okay, yeah. I mean, if you got your kid listening, that probably shouldn't hear me say. Backdoor slots, not. Or my, okay, here's my T-shirt idea. Lumberg f***er. And that's from office space. Lumberg was the boss, and there's this rumor going around about, well, it was about,

shit, Jennifer Aniston. She's in the movie. And so it was going around that he fucked her. So it was just like the rumor about the guys in the office who were like, yeah, Lumberg, and so I thought that would be a good shirt. Yeah, I think so. I'd wear it. But maybe instead of Lumberg, it's just lumber.

Lumber, maybe lumber f***er. What? I don't know. I was spitballing, you know. Okay. Brainstorm. Yeah, that's good. That's good.

Well, we'll beep all that out. Yeah. Yeah. And when were we talking? Oh, the truck away. So, yeah, gave the truck away. Guy was stoked. Yeah.

Yeah. We got it detailed. Todd the hater. Shout out to. And he's actually not a hater. He's a cool guy. Yeah, he wasn't that mean. And his girlfriend was cool.

Everybody's good. Met up there at first. I was like, who the heck picked meeting at the Griffin Observatory to do a truck handoff? Yeah. It's like one of the most busiest places. It was probably a weekend too. It was a zoo. Yeah.

I don't even remember. But anyway, it actually turned out cool because like the photo of me and him with the, and that observatory has been in a million movies. because they film the Hollywood signs right there. But yeah, it worked out great. Yeah, that was good. We got it detailed at collective. What was it?

Collective. Yeah, collective detailing. Shout out to them. They did a great job. We then, now we can tell people who our surprise guest was or our surprise event, because it already happened. We shot Bose with another than. No, no, no, no. They did you like to buy a vowel?

Yes. None other than Travis Barker and Alabama Barker. Yeah. Actually, she never shot. She was going to. That's his daughter. But yeah, cold feet decided not to. Travis shot.

Travis is, I don't think it's his manager. Maybe, no, it is his manager maybe. She shot. They both shot great. It was fun. Travis was a great shot. Oh, yeah. He got the hang of it really quick.

Yeah. Yeah, it was, and it seemed like he really liked it. Yeah, it was. I mean, it was cool meeting at his studio, seeing his old Chevy, a sick truck or a dang sick truck. Hecken. A hecken, sick truck. Yeah.

He also is just like the nicest guy. Yeah. Pretty cool. I always love seeing people who are kind of of that status and how kind they are. Just regular people. Oh, I know. I hate the judgmental. Like, oh, he doesn't look.

like what some dumb fuck like from where I grew up, me. He doesn't look like me. That's okay. Yeah. It's all right. I mean, not everybody's some small town redneck who wants to hunt or he's not even hunting. He's shooting a damn boat. It's just archery. Yeah. What do? Why is there's like, you know, they're saying, oh, it looks like a drug addict. I'm like, shut the fuck up. It just makes me, nothing makes me more mad than when I'm, I'm trying to share what we love. And you're doing it with people outside of our general group or whoever, social circle that would normally, quote, shoot a bow, and people can find something to bitch about with that?

It's no wonder hunting his dying out. If he was hunting, he'd be hunting a package of tofu anyways. Yeah, I mean, he's vegan. But, you know, here's the thing. And people were saying that too, which that is actually irritating me also. So thank you for reminding me. You know, so what?

he's vegan. The fact that I was able to talk to him about hunting because we went running the next day. And he was saying, you know, obviously you know, cool house and all that, but lives up in a great area, as you can imagine. But we were running around that neighborhood and he was

saying he's seen a mountain lying right there on the hill. And I said, God, I'd love to see it today on the run. And, you know, I told him I'd never killed one. I'd hunted him before. And, you know, so I'd just explain that when I hunt I'm going after old males I'm not just out there just to kill just to kill and uh so i had the chance because of that we started that bond is like just shooting bows now i had a chance vegan or not to talk to him about hunting and how hunting works and it's like you're not just out there

you know killing everything you see right you're being selective and it's like you take an older male that's you know whatever it's best for herd health type thing and um He'd probably never heard that. Right. So that's what happens. That's how you have that opportunity to maybe shift, turn the tide a little bit. Yeah, I'm not saying he's going to be on the carnivore diet and be out, you know, hunting all over the West. But shot a bow.

So if he understands hunting and maybe my mindset or the mindset of a hunter a little better, isn't that a positive? Definitely. It's just it really is, it's disappointing. But I'm not surprised. point is yeah Travis did a great job I took a bow down for his wife to or two bows for Courtney and she you know obviously they got a bunch of shit going on but uh I did text someone I just say hey whenever she's ready to shoot I can come down and do a refresher it's a it's a quick flight two hour flight to um L.A and nice weather so yeah we'll make it happen but anyway

Travis did and it was great yeah um so that was the last big giveaway I'm supposed to remind everyone and I did want to say thank you to Fox Motorsports Motorsports is that what it is Fox Factory Fox Factory Motorsports

Yeah yeah I do a clean take Fox Factory Motorsports and Mike Denison I think he's a CEO maybe he's a president but anyway he was a guy who reached out and made that happen

And I feel like it was a big success. A lot of people saw the truck, a lot of feedback, positive feedback on the truck. I had never heard of Fox Motorsports before to give away. And now a lot of people have heard and seen it. Travis drove it actually. Courtney actually got in it too and checked it out. I was out in front of their house and started it up. And she thought it was sick.

So I don't know if they're going to get one or not. But anyway, point is it's like, yeah, it worked out great. generated a lot of excitement and energy and then we were able to give it away to a cool people to todd who is a cool guy and then uh yeah i just want to thank fox for that yeah yeah that was awesome Chevy yeah anyway go ahead you started to say something else i was gonna say i'm supposed to remind people well we're gonna farm a clip out of this we're doing another giveaway utah elk heaven that's got by the time this comes out it'll be the final week you know that this Elkhunt and Utah where I go, I've been going now for, I don't even know how many years, maybe 15, 14, something years.

I never thought I'd ever get the chance to hunt there. This is not, this is amazing. It's, it's wild, it's free range, it's low fence, it's all that thing. You still have to make a good shot. You still, it's very steep. It's, I mean, I don't know what people expect with these hunts, but what I can tell you to, you can expect is a great elk hunt with. good people in awesome country. So aside from that, you're going to have to be ready because it's still there's no guarantee. You draw blood. It's over. That's your animal. You're done hunting. Right. So make a good shot. Yeah. And don't be wounding and losing an animal. But the point is, this giveaway is an incredible opportunity for somebody who, you know, if it's like me, would never even dream of a chance like this because it's expensive. It's like 20 grand. And if this opens the door for somebody, gives them an opportunity to hunt like one of the best places

in North America for elk, that's incredible. Yeah. I just want people to take advantage. I wish I could do more of it. But we're starting with one right now. Yeah, I'll just say in the first evening we hunted, I heard more bugles that evening than I think I've ever heard. Yeah.

Ever. It was insane. And that's scary. It was scary. I peed a little bit. I might have gone big potty in my pants. Oh, well, you weren't, there was no big potty in your pants when your legs were swishing together, making noise.

I mean, I wish you should have shit your pants because then you could just kind of waddle and then be quieter other than if the wind's good. The wind is good. We're set. But, uh, yeah. And I leave a little, uh, little back trail for us to follow. Blave? Yeah.

Oh, like breadcrumbs, but shit crumbs? That's cool. That's a good idea. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how long that lasts. Patent pending. Okay. Well, good luck on that.

That should, yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah. So, yeah, you can go follow a shit around, hopefully kill a bull. It's cool. Yeah. In this giveaway, I'll just. say i only use a use a bow it's uh i've never you know what i i don't rifle hunt but in this place it's a cwm you unit which means you can use any weapon that's important yeah and there's some

people who aren't who might win who don't bow hunt yeah and i don't want somebody and even if you're not ready i don't want it to be a negative so if you're not a hundred percent ready to bow hunt just take a rifle. Just get a good bull killed. Let's make it a positive. Right. Let's not have some story that haunts you for the rest of your life. No kidding.

I mean, hey, killing a bull with the bow, there is nothing that compares. But as good as that is, the opposite of a wounding and losing a bull on a once-in-lifetime hunt, that's just as at the other end of the spectrum. Not good. That would be brutal. It would be terrible. tag and lose the animal. Terrible.

So let's just, let's just be ready. Let's have somebody badass win it. I can't wait to see who wins it. And this is all from just the order off Cameron Haines.com. You get cool merch, have a chance to win. I mean,

we do it side by side. We do three trucks. We've given, you know, El Cunts away. So you get the cool merch anyway. And you might, I don't know,

check it out. Shout out to Wild Country outfit adventures Outfitters? Anyway, it's Wild Country Who does it? It's a land family. Love those guys. Tom Land and his sons essentially. And yeah, best I mean

Best run outfit For Elk I mean it's got to be right up there with the top Yeah, I mean I've only been there once And it's yet To be seen that I go again but we'll see

not looking great I mean unless Connor's going to be busy and Tanner and anyone else who can hold a camera don't even have to do that just anyone that can walk that concludes the the ketchup ketchup and mayonnaise

besides by the time this drops the Katie Knight film ketchup and mustard oh okay well I like mayo I'm sure when I get Chick-fil-A I mix them you do? Yeah ketchup up in mayo? Oh, yeah. Is that like this? So is that McDonald's secret sauce or? Fry sauce is a little different. Okay. It's got mustard mixed into it. Ooh. No. No? No.

They stole that from me as a child. They saw me doing it as a young, a wee boy. They stole it. So you were born a boy? That is super surprising. As a wee young lass. That is super surprising. I think that might come to a shock to everyone. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah, I was saying, when this comes out, the Katie Knight film will hopefully be out. Yeah.

Because this will be Tuesday. So, yeah. So go check that out if you haven't. Well, that depends on how many times you'll f-it-out before it's ready. Probably a couple more times. Yeah, yeah. But I think people enjoy it because the versions I've seen good, they're going to be even better. I mean, I'm using good loosely.

It's relative. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Talking about you, good is, you know, barely passable. That's even maybe too far. It's an argument. Yeah, I mean, but it's going to be really good by the time it comes out.

And it's, you know, taking, I, I don't know. One of the things I enjoy most is, you know, I've killed a lot, done a lot, been out a lot. Now it's just taking new hunters out. and helping them just expose them to the hunting lifestyle and how I do it and sharing that. And like that hunt specifically, that's a hunt that I grew up doing. That was my first ever hunt. And sharing, you know, logging country in western Oregon and just, I don't know, there's a history of how I grew up with new hunters is just something I just love to do.

Yeah. And she was the best. She's a stud. Yeah. Yeah, she is with fake ab implants. God, she's shredded. Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah.

Okay, onto the next section, dim the lights. We're going cinematic quote here. Let me get my Morgan Freeman voice. Do we need a cigarette smoke or something going on? That would be good, yeah. You've heard this quote before. Oh, okay. But it has to do with what we're talking about.

Okay, let's get to it. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times, create weak men. and weak men create hard times. It seems, in a lot of ways, we are in good times with weak men. I feel like you talk a lot about inspiring young men to become tougher and the best versions of themselves.

Obviously, you have some accolades. You have two sons who are both beasts. And even me, I mean, before I moved out here and started working for you, I could hardly bench a toothpick. And I definitely wasn't running a 50K. Yeah. So I just have a couple questions along those lines. Do you think in general overall social media has created weak men as someone in the social media kind of world?

How would it create weak men? I think especially the younger generation is like they get caught up in this I don't know materialistic world and doing these dances. You know, you get the broccoli hair and the earrings. to me I don't know that's that's you're getting yeah I mean people are getting attention for shit that shouldn't give them attention right so it's kind of reinforcing I don't even know what that is but I want I want to be I think young men need attention for doing things that deserve it like doing the right thing working hard being

strong, being a leader, making good decisions, doing some TikTok dance. I don't know where that fits in that. I mean, it gets some attention. So it kind of reinforces like, hey, if I act like a whatever. I mean, it's one, I mean, I guess I don't even want to get down this road. But having things reinforced on social media is changing things like even, you know, what sex a kid is. It's like if they say, well, I'm a boy, but I want to be a girl. Now they're getting all sorts of attention that they didn't get before. And they're being celebrated for some weird reason. So just that one example, totally fucking up society.

Yeah. 100%. You don't have to do anything to earn attention anymore, anything noteworthy. Right. So, yeah, I mean, in raising my kids, it was just like, hey, yeah, we're going to work hard. We're not going to make excuses. I don't care to hear an excuse. It doesn't matter to me. I don't care what anybody else is doing. Here's what we're doing. And just accountability. And just like they are responsible for things they say and their actions. And so that's how it's

been. And then having very high expectations of them. But yeah, social media is a different gateway into being celebrated for weird things. Yeah. So yeah, I don't think it, I don't think it helps thing. Yeah. I mean, I think there's a positive side to it as well, you know, yourself included, people find, you know, strong that they can look up to. They're inspired by. But kind of along those lines with fatherhood, what are the differences between fatherhood versus like mentorship? And how do you tow that line? I think. Well, yeah, I mean, you're going to be generally easier on somebody who you're mentoring because they're not your kid. Right.

Like your kid, where's your kid going to go? Children's Services Division. Yeah, so it's no different than like if I was coaching the boys, just like any coach, if they're coaching their son, they're always harder on their sons than they are the other kids. So yeah,

you're harder on that. But for mentorship, yeah, I mean, I always try to be positive. I should have done this with my kids too all the time you'd think, but that's weird. But you're always positive, you're always supportive, you're always encouraging. And yeah, I mean, I don't know, I think that that role, I think a lot of young men don't have that role or a role model where somebody helping them navigate life.

It is hard. It's hard. There's all sorts of additional pressure. with social media and these expectations. And it's like now this kid or these kids come out and they're like, God, do I have to be rich to live this lifestyle now? Do I have to, how do I show the cool stuff? Right.

I don't have any money. How does this work? So it's putting pressure on, I don't know, it's weird. It's like not just being a laborer. Being a laborer used to be like, okay, this is what I'm going to do. I got a good job and I can go to work every day. And I'm working 40 plus hours a week. I can provide for my family.

And now of a sudden that's not good enough. Yeah. Now it's like, I don't want to work. I want to be an influencer. Or I want to, I don't know what, I don't know what kids dream of now. But what's taking a backseat or kind of taking a hit is manual labor and or trades. So that's what that used to be, you know, if you were electrician or alignment or you worked in construction or even worked in a mill. I mean, we had mills around here that guys could make really good money.

And they still do, but not like before. But that was, you know, if you got on a warehouser here and you were working shift work, you could make 60,000,000 a year just being, you know, an operator there. And that was good money. You know, guys could have a nice truck. They could have a fishing boat. They could have a decent house. And that was great.

And it still is great for selling. But it's like, it is kind of. that life that just honest hardworking lifestyle is kind of taking a hit because of social media lately so i don't like that part yeah um you kind of talked about too like taking accountability i think a lot of people default to like the victim mentality that you know it's easy to blame everything else it's hard to accept that you're at fault how do you think you can kind of escape that victim mentality or someone can escape that victim mentality victim mentality is going to get you anywhere i mean it's going to buy you some time but it's not going to

help you accomplish anything yeah right so you're a victim because you think you have to overcome this to accomplish whatever you have or this job or this opportunity but you've been mistreated or you've been somehow cheated out of it so you're the victim okay so you're the victim that didn't change where you're at. Right. You're still where you're at. So how are you going to get out of that? How are you going to change? How are you going to move forward? I think, you know, quit making excuses and quit, you know, pointing the finger at other people are to blame for where you're at and just saying, looking in the mirror and saying, okay, this is on me. What do I need to do? That's the biggest thing. But yeah, the victim mentality definitely has stymied some growth of a lot of people. And yeah, I don't know

if anybody's talking to them real about that because nowadays if you go in and some kid, you know, whatever, they got an issue. You can't really say, you can't suck it up. You got to get tougher. You got to like cater to it. And that doesn't help. You know, it's just like, I don't know, we're so. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, the old tough love like people used to talk about.

Can't do that anymore. Yeah. Yeah, I know. You know, one of our biggest issues, you know, I had lied about something. But what I appreciated about that was your understanding of being like, I understand people get back into a corner. And, you know, they're just looking for the fastest way out. And that was a big learning moment for me, too, because it was like you just have to face it head on and go through it. because yeah you're going to try and find your way out and that's only going to buy you time you know

yeah it doesn't solve the problem no definitely not yeah and i and i knew at that time too i just you know i've been around i can tell i know yeah right you kind of know yeah yeah i mean not very many people are great at lying no you know so it's just it only take it only takes a few more questions and then you're just like okay i mean if the questions was stop with the lie, maybe it would work. But all I have to do is a couple more questions then I'm like, just doesn't work. But yeah, I mean, so it's definitely better. And like I think I told you at that time, it's just like, just tell me the truth. Right. And we'll deal with it. Yeah. But don't lie. You're going to have to deal with it at some point. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know.

But that's, you know, that happens a lot. Yeah. You know, people, nobody really likes confrontation. Nobody likes screwing up and having to say they screwed up. I get it. I mean, I don't like that. Right. The reason why I'm so, I'm good at picking up tells about people who are full of shit is

because I've been full of shit. So it's like, I know exactly what it's like. Yeah. You've said before, I'm not competing against anyone else. It's just me versus me. what do you think the difference is between competing with others or comparing yourself to others and just competing against yourself and what kind of both of those roles play because you know you also say a lot is like or in this archival footage you know no one wanted to go

with you into the back country you just had to go by yourself um so where are you drawing inspiration from in moments like that when it's just you oh um Just me. Like at that time in my life, it was just proving everyone wrong. So it's just, you know, and I see how comments now. Oh, I would have went with you. No, you wouldn't. Nobody wanted, nobody was going with me.

You wouldn't have. Nobody else did. I wanted to go. I wanted to test myself. So it was weird. It's like, it was weird. I would ask people. but I'd almost want them to say no.

So then I could be like, yeah, I'm pussy, I knew it. I'll do it by myself then. You know, I killed, you know, a lot of animals. And some of it was just to prove people wrong.

Some of it was to prove to myself I could do it. But yeah, I mean, nobody was begging to go with me. Right. I guarantee you that. No one. No.

Yeah. I mean, watching some of those clips it was like, yeah. The guy who's commenting, I'd go, you'd have given up. That's really easy to say. Really easy to say as a comment on social media.

I would have gone and killed it. Probably killed a giant bull and helped you kill one and pack them both out. I wish there was an opportunity for you to be like, okay, let's go. Let's do it. Delete his account, block you. Yeah. I mean, it's intimidating being that far back in the wilderness, especially the third week of September back there. You're going to get weather, which the clips that were, I think we're talking about, I was miserable.

But, you know, I mean, for me, it was like I looked at those moments and, you know, we talk about the must be nice all the time. And people, it must be nice to hunt this, this bulls in Colorado. It's like, you don't find these opportunities. Well, unless you're rich. but even being rich, you still don't get, you still can't go to San Carlos. Yeah, right. Unless you know, whatever.

But when I had to pay my dues and earn my stripes and earn the way, then earn the skill and then earn the toughness and everything to turn it into where it is now, nobody did that. Nobody wanted to do that. They want you to turn away those opportunities now? You're mad at me because I paid my dues and fucking. busted my ass and earned success and earn these opportunities. And now I'm reaping the rewards.

Right. And what do you want me to do? Well, you should do a backcountry hunt with a stickbow. Well, I am, I think I'm going to draw. So I've been putting in for this hunt here forever. And right now I have 23 points. So I've put in for 23 years. So this year, finally,

On the percentages, I just looked it up too nice to go, I have 72% chance to draw. Best elk unit in Oregon, they only get 40 tags. And there's some good, I mean, I still joke around and say, well, that's going to be my worst time of the year. But I don't think it will be. But it isn't for Oregon, backcountry wilderness, I can't wait. So I should draw that tag this year. Like I said, I've been put it. This is the 20.

24th year, I have a 72% chance of getting it. So we're doing backcountry bivisack or probably not bivisack. That's what I used to do. But now it's like you got an ultralight 10th. It's just the same weight as a bivisack. And I was wondering, why the f*** didn't I have a tarp in that old foot? That was a mistake. I mean, you don't need a tarp like the first week of season when I'd hunt a lot because

I wanted to kill a mule deer also in velvet. So I tried to kill a bull and a buck and a bear on the same like 10 days. hunt to start the season. I never would take a tarp then because the weather isn't bad the first week of September or sometimes that was the last week of August. But now you get around the 20th of September, like when that video that Connor found. So now you're the third week. Now shit starts to get real back there.

Why didn't have a tarp would have, God, that would have made my life easier. But the point is, is we're going to be backpack hunting. if I draw that tag, kill a big bowl, and this can be epic. Yeah. It's funny you said, you know, you have everything they'd need to go with you. It reminded me, I used to climb with this guy who would say the same shit, but then you'd show up and you'd have nothing. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

You'd be miserable, miserable. So I quickly learned, I was like, all right, I don't care. I'm bringing everything because you don't have anything. Yeah. Well, it's easy to say stuff. Easy to say words. Yeah. and getting people to go with you.

Yeah, mostly on that one, because it's a, it's a, it's a eight hour drive. There's no podcast back then. So eight hour drive, I'd leave after work, drive, get there at one or two in the morning, leave like a four or something like that, one or two in the morning, load up 12 miles back, headlamp to be back there first light.

You can do the drive, go to McDonald's, Dairy Queen, whatever the fuck, Sunflower Seas, Mountain Dew, great drive. Listening to, you know, Michael Jackson Thriller over and over on the cassette. That's a good time. Then you get there and you start packing in

and you hadn't slept and you're walking and it's like pitch black, not a sound out there. If somebody would have done shit like that, they'd be doing shit like that right now and I'd know who they were. Yeah. Because I'd see what.

what they're doing and see what they're killing. I know, you know, you don't know everybody out there, but if somebody's making a name for themselves, you know about it now, right? Back in the day, you could, you know, there's a lot of people killing stuff you didn't know about. And there's, I'm sure there is still. It's not like social media is the whole world. But generally, if somebody's having success, you know about it. Right. Yeah. Reminds me that story of you and Remy. Was it Arizona or Nevada? Nevada. Nevada. Yeah. Both being way back there and being like, the fuck is this. Yeah, middle of nowhere, he looks in the car, sees my name on the rental thing.

Like, fuck. So he knew we'd be in the same country. That's kind of how it works. Yeah. When somebody's legit and getting shit killed with the, but I would know about it. Right. So, yeah, I mean, for these guys that say, yeah, I would have been there. Okay.

Then I should know who you are. And I don't. Yeah. Kind of along those lines with that story, you know, you're soaked, you're miserable. When everything is going wrong and you're deep. in the suck. How do you turn that, not necessarily into a positive because I think you thrive in that kind of situation. So how do you thrive in that situation? How do you turn that into something where you're like, all right, it's go time? Yeah, I mean, it's just a test. That's what I,

that's what I wanted. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to say I want to be soaked, but it's like, that's just more cool shit to overcome or more challenge to overcome. So when you make it out the other side and maybe, you know, get a bull killed and you're heading back with antlers in your truck and people are driving by doing this thing. You're like, yeah, I did it. Yeah. I had, oh, you guys have no idea what I overcame, you know, it's like you have that. And it's just, it changes your whole life because then you get back and you go to your, to your work and work says, oh, my God, we've got this huge issue. What are we going to do? I'm like, oh, I'm going to do this because you make better decisions because you've, you've been testing.

it in the fire, so to speak. You've been where it's like, God, am I going to die back here? I don't know how I'm going to get warm. I'm soaking. Everything's soaked. And so when you don't panic and you overcome that and you achieve a goal back there by yourself, yeah. I mean, you feel like you can do anything. Right. Or at least I could. So I loved the greater the challenge, the greater the reward. I mean, or the greater the sacrifice or greater the reward. So I'm like, this is just more of a sacrifice. And, yeah, it was hard. Yeah, I know we talked about it in Utah when it was raining and we were soaked and it was like,

when you know you've got a warm, you know, building to go back to it. It's like, oh, this is fun. Way different. Yeah, way different. Yeah, on that, yeah, that video there, I would, yeah, that's one thing that I, used to do is those bivisags used to have like little poles in there that would keep it kind of off your face but one time i was in a lightning store back there and i thought that i threw my bow i threw those poles i'm like i don't want any metal anywhere because i thought i didn't get struck by lightning

but uh so then i would just never take the the poles that came at the bivisac consequently when it got wet and if it would just sit on you on or on your sleeping bag that condesate condensation jesus hopefully that word that word wasn't in undeniable that I had to read um but it would just kind of it makes everything wet eventually yeah everything and then when it's pouring pouring pouring you know water will run down the hill yeah you want to dig little trenches kind of on the side of your bivisack just so that water has a way to go but if you don't or you forget or sometimes the sleeping pad will slide over and it's out of that little trench you made and then water's just running onto the sleeping pad and is holding up in these little had these little eggshell

type contain like like divot kind of thing for installation but if when those are full water then your sleeping bags right on top of it guess what you're soaked the bivisack is suffocating you suffocating on your face and you can't have any clothes so your clothes are like if you if you thought ahead you had a garbage sack that you can put your pack in and your boots in because there's no room in a bivisack for it. Right. But if not, then your boots are kind of upside down trying to stay. It's just, there's a lot of shit to deal with back there.

Yeah. The last little question or topic in this section. So I think there's a huge importance of who you surround yourself with. And I think you would agree. So, you know, finding healthy role models, how important is it to surround yourself with people that, you know, push you to go further or drive you to be a better person. You know, I don't think everyone you surround yourself with has to be more physically fit, but they can provide that challenge mentally as well.

Yeah, how important it do you think that is? I just say, I think having that growth mindset allows you to seek out people like that. So if you think you got it all figured out already, you're already lost. Yeah. Right. So just acknowledging that, hey, I can get better. That's a huge step. Because then it's like, well, because I mean, if I look, you said something about

comparison or I don't know what earlier. But yeah, I don't compare myself to any hunter. I don't give a about any hunt. I don't care what any hunter does. There's no hunter that I'm like, oh, this guy motivates me to work harder. I can't think of one person who does that. But so I don't even pay attention to hunting. But when I talk about, well, what do I care about?

I guess what's shooting, like Levi Morgan. He does make me want to be a better shooter. So, yeah, there's some people who with the shooting, yeah, I can always get better at that. But when I talk about like physical preparation, I'm just comparing myself to elite athletes. I'm not comparing myself to another hundred. But for elite athletes. So luckily now I've had a chance to train with some of them so I can be first person experience kind of pick their brain learn from them but before that it was like that's who i would

compare myself with it's just like i want to take on this mindset of this ultimate winner what what tools do they have what how do they look at challenge how do they look at you know like their physical preparation for what they do for their job and how can i use that for what i do that's where I've always been obsessed with. And, you know, so it's like, if I was going to lift with somebody, I want to lift with somebody who's the best, best at what they do. I want to run with people who are the best of what they do. And yeah, I'm not, I'm so far down the down from being the best at any of those things. But I do like, I like that mindset. I like the mindset of winners. And I like how winners talk they don't waste time um they don't waste time on stuff that's not helping them right and so

i like that i'd like to you know i think i can be better at that um just like i think like these ultimate competitors and winners are just so tunnel visioned and that's what it takes that's what it takes to be the best so the the more people you surround yourself with that mindset you're automatically getting better even if you're like a negative person and like you're you're always like think you're you're got screwed over, you start spending time with people who don't make excuses and don't, don't feed into that weak mindset, you're going to be better. That's what I've tried to do. And that's how I try to talk and that's how I try to carry myself.

And what that has led to is I've been able to be around more people like that. And then everybody gets better. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. That reminds me, this book end I'm about to make off the top of my dome is so good. that reminds me of one of my favorite Oscars speeches, Matthew McConaughey. He talks about his hero is him in 10 years.

So he's never going to reach it. And it always gives him something to chase. And I like that. I like the idea that whatever you're chasing or whoever inspires you, you're never going to get there. You're always going to have something or someone that's better than you. But yeah, that concludes all I had. Yeah, that was good. I mean, that's one good thing with social media is it does expose you to those type of people.

Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of shit on there that you don't want to waste time on. But there is a lot of people out there who I do follow that do inspire me and do make me work harder and do make me look at like my training and like, God, how can I, I don't know. There's just, I don't know. focusing on the right positive things, it's just empowering. It just makes me excited. You know,

had a good run today. A good, good fuel. It just makes me excited for tomorrow to like, hey, let's get back to work tomorrow and do this. And I don't know. I mean, I shot that bow there with some other release. The other day I shot that Dan release. It's just like, I just, yeah, it's just, man, it's just when you're excited to get up and do what you do, I like that.

Yeah. You know, and you got goals and visions. And so hanging out with the right people, I think helps foster that mindset. And yeah, if you're not around people like that, I'd seek them out. I'd find them. Yeah, and you heard it here first. And by the, where are we? Yeah.

17. No, 16. Oh, okay. Matthew, that is an invitation to come. on the podcast. Yeah. All right, all right,

all right. How many time you jerk off a day? Those are rookie numbers. You got to ramp that up. Wasn't that in that in the Willful Wall Street? Yeah,

that is such a good movie too. Connor, what'd you have? I know you got something back there. I just got one thing. Don't f*** up now. Take your headphones off. Have you been practicing?

I feel like we just had a really good stint with no edits needed. So keep that in mind. Yeah, I've been practicing the mirror. Hello Cameron. This is Connor Westlake. All right. I f*** it up already. Sorry, baby. Okay. I said one question. This goes all the way back to the beginning. When you were talking about sharing your love of archery and your love of hunting with Katie Knight, with Travis Barker, who we were just with, just kind of planting the seed. Are there other people out there that you maybe are in communication with that you'd love to share that with as well?

like who else is on the docket that you'd love to introduce to archery or introduced to hunting or whatever oh i mean sage steel we've been trying to get her out here forever she's super pumped to come shoot a bow said she hadn't been to eugene so that'd be fun uh huberman he wants to go on his first hunt you know he's shot you know i got him a bow obviously but just that next step is the hunting hunting lifestyle and I saw he just did something with who was that that was Kim Kardashian Huberman Brian Johnson the guy never die guy so they did I don't know I think there's somebody else there but uh anyway it's um yeah I mean those uh and jelly roll has

talked about hunting a little bit so yeah we're just I mean we're just getting started I just I love sharing what I do I just know how powerful it is and how much it can change your life and yeah so I'm always looking for the next candidate to share share my love of hunting and archery with so if you're out there hit me up and also do you ever want to have a regular guy on your show and just I'm like no I don't because I am a regular guy so I know exactly how it goes that's uh I've been getting a couple of those DMs too I want to just come on a shit talkers weekly I apologize if these are so bad that it seems like it opens the door for any other,

because I'm an idiot, any other idiots to come on. What was I going to say? Oh, I was going to lay out that we have Boston Marathon coming, the Eugene Marathon coming. Coming? God. On the horizon.

Yes. Is that better? Arriving. Well, not arriving. And then Kokadona. And also. I don't know what I'm, oh, no, no, I'm going to Grand Canyon. Yeah.

Yeah. So that'll be fun. So we've got some big trying to get in shape. I'm trying to actually. So I need to get lighter. Interesting. Yeah. So I've been doing the 4,000 calorie burn, 3,000 intake, 1,000 calorie deficit,

down to 161. The goal 156. Hmm. You and Connor both are on a cut. Cut. Yeah? Connor, are you shredded? That's right. I'm shredding. Shredding. You're not shredded yet? No, I'm still a little, a little soft. I need you guys to give your cut to my bulk. Yeah. James has been bulking on Oreos. Dirty bulk. He doesn't need breakfast. He doesn't need breakfast. He just comes downstairs. He's, oh, I skip my meal. I guess I'll have a pack of Oreos. A sleeve. I think it's a sleeve, isn't it? A sleeve of Oreo. You know, it's good. You could have a protein shake and then put in that sleeve of Oreos.

That's actually a great idea. Yeah. It's almost like an Oreo Blizzard. Well, then he tried doing a mass gainer shake last night. Shout out to Katie for that recommendation. Yeah, shout out to Katie for the recommendation. And you tried doing a mask gainer. No, he couldn't even drink it.

He took one sip and he's like, oh, this is, I don't know how people do this. He's lying. I finished it. I finished it. I finished it. And then he sat on the couch and pouted and ate Oreos. Yeah. And that's why Katie's about three times as jacked as you.

But I can bench more than her. Actually, I don't know if that's true. I guarantee she could beat the fuck. All right. And another t-shirt that I want to come up with, because this is what me and my brother always just say to each other, like when we're leaving, we'd always just say, unless you're heading out the door,

don't let your meatloaf. So I want a shirt that says, don't let your meatloaf. What is that me? I don't know. It's a good question. Don't let your meat loaf. Okay. So it's good advice though. You shouldn't. I guess. Yeah, you should not let your meat loaf. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, I think that's a great ending to the show. I think so too. Don't let your meat loaf.

Keep hammering.