Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 123 - Truett Hanes

Episode Date: March 17, 2025

Join us for a conversation with Truett Hanes, full time athlete, marathon runner and current Guinness World Record holder for the most Pull-Ups in 24 hours. Truett and Cam cover Truett’s training, diet, goals for his upcoming races, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Follow Truett: https://www.instagram.com/just_truett/  Thank you to our sponsors: LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Thoughts on Completing 10,001 Pull Ups in 24 Hours 00:05:56 A Regime for the Next Level 00:11:05 Where Truett Finds Motivation 00:14:00 Dealing with Negativity on Social Media 00:20:38 We’re Not Here to be Average 00:22:39 Going the Extra Mile 00:28:32 Running in High School 00:32:59 Ad Break (LMNT & Sig Sauer) 00:35:05 Wanting to be Like the Other Kids 00:36:33 SUB 2:30 MARATHON or DIE TRYIN' 00:39:10 Quitting a Full Time Job to be a Full Time Athlete 00:44:51 Having a Supportive Spouse 00:50:53 From the King of Pull-Ups to Running - What’s Next? 00:57:52 Diet: Adapting Your Body to New Challenges 01:06:08 Battle of the Influencers (Truett VS Matt Johnson) 01:09:01 Mentorship from David Goggins 01:16:25 Last Man Standing Marathon 01:18:50 The Art & Inspiration of Entertainment 01:23:48 Training for Last Man Standing 01:28:10 QA: F#$k, Marry, Kill - Beating Cam at Boston, Pull-Up Record & Beating Matt Johnson? 01:31:59 QA: Who Had the High School Running Record Over Truett & Tanner? 01:33:57 QA: Does Saying Your Goal Out Loud Produce Success? 01:35:43 QA: Where Do You Draw the Line with Saying & Doing? 01:37:42 QA: Does Truett Owe James an Apology? 01:41:16 Leadville 100 - Truett or Matt Johnson? Who’s Winning? 01:44:03 Outro

Every step I take I move my truth. Every time they tell me stop I use. Every comment hate that makes my feel. Gather up my energy and boom. I hear them talking, saying the way that I'm moving so reckless. That is a part of my mind I've been blessed with. Giving my blood so I am relentless. This is the Keep Hammering Collective with the Rainey, defending.

UFC champion of the world. UFC pull-up champion of the world, Truitt Haynes. and a third time guest. Really? Yeah. Wow. I heard somebody, or I mean, I saw comment, somebody say, I thought this podcast was for outliers.

I was going to say that if you weren't. And I hope in your eyes, whoever you are that commented that I've lived up to your expectation for the show. You haven't. You have for sure haven't. Not compared to somebody who would say that. But no, I think they think like, oh, you're just interviewing your kid. Nepotism is what I saw. Right.

There you go. But let's just say, you are the two-time and now defending Guinness Book a World Record official pull-up champion in 24 hours with 10,001 pull-ups, right? I think that's outlier status. What do you think? If that's not, then I don't know what is, I guess, but I will say last time, the first podcast that I did with you, the first episode, It said, I think, former Guinness World Record holder. Yeah. And then so now it should say current.

Yeah. And that's a lot better. We're making some headway. Yeah. Yeah. So that, what a day that was. I mean, looking back on it, do you ever think about it now? Or if you had to remember that day where you did 10,001 pull-ups in 24 hours, what do you think of now?

I think that the job is done. And so it was a lot of years. obviously, more specifically six months, like dedicated to that one goal. And then I got it and now it's onto the next. Like honestly, I don't spend too much time thinking about it. I'm like, yeah, that was awesome. But you can't, I don't know if you can really just like sit there and be extremely proud for the rest of your life and not really think about the next thing. I'm just like always, you know, onto the next, onto the next. And I mean, like, I can't be proud of my effort, but it really doesn't do too much for me now.

Like I just got the official certificate in the mail right before we left to come here. And I just looked at it and I was like, sweet. You know, I'm not just like brought to tears or anything. Like it didn't really, I think more than anything, it just proved what I already knew about myself. I was like, yeah, I know that I can get the record. And then like it validated it, sure, but I already knew that it was going to happen. And then so it wasn't like a big shock to me. Yeah.

You were just done the eyes, crossing the T's, put in the work, this was a goal, got it done. Yep, yep. Yeah, and here's what's crazy. Well, if it does ever get broke, which I'm sure it will, all records go down eventually, right? But here's what's crazy is like your 12 hour pace is almost unbeatable, almost you would think,

because you were right almost to 7,000 and 12 hours. The 12 hour world record, heard's what, 5,600? Well, actually, it just got broken. Oh, it did. 7,100. Oh, God. Okay, well, never mind then.

Somebody crushed it. Yeah, so, I mean, I got to like 6,900 at 12 hours. And then so one could argue if I was going just for 12 hours. Oh, yeah. Then I could make up 200 reps. Definitely. But that's not to take away from the guy that just crushed it. No, no.

He was beating 5,600. Yeah. He did it by 1,500, whatever. it's amazing. Exactly. Yeah. So no one told him that he had to get 70100. He just gave his absolute all and that's what he ended up with. A lot of respect for that because most guys like when you're going to break the record, they break it by like 100, 200, maybe 300. Normally it's never like 800, which was what I was able to do this last time. And then for him to do, to do the math is like 1,400 more. It's like to have that hunger to keep going the whole time, even though you already smash the record.

it's hard to find that mindset yeah well i mean it's also hard just to keep that pace up like you know to that point so 7 000 and 12 hours for you and then 3 000 in the second 12 right so it's uh yeah and once you get it obviously like i i know after you broke it this last time it was like the energy went out of the room it was freaking over i was like sleep on a bean bag I didn't even know what I was in, but barely paying attention. The music was probably off. Everybody went home, and then you're just like, God, I still got to get. So you broke the record, but you wanted to get $10,000.

You still get $700 more. 750 more. And yeah, that doesn't just happen. No. No, you really have to just, yeah, chip away at it. My hands were absolutely shredded at that time. And then so, yeah, to just finish that out, you said that you're going to do it, so you have to do it.

And luckily I had like six hours though. Yeah. So I could just take my sweet time. Took it all. But yeah, that's tough. After you reach your goal, it'd be like, you know, you finish a hundred mile race. And they're like, hey, you just want to get a few more? Fuck, not really.

Right. My mindset was to get 100 and I got it. But yeah, so hard. But yeah, incredible day. The first man or human to go over 10,000 pull-ups in 24 hours. So that was pretty special. Yeah. Was it harder than you thought it would be?

Or was a challenge in the work leading up and just getting your body ready? And that's the biggest takeaway from me is, and I think David Roche, you know, the Leadville course, he just broke that record. It was like 27 years old or whatever. You have to absolutely kill yourself in training. And then you kind of already know that you're going to be able to do it. it come race day like he was able to predict within like the minute of when he would finish leadville and then so for me it was like i really push myself in training because i did not want to have a where i would show my ass like on the record day it's just like really embarrassing and i've

show your ass and i've been there before yeah to where like everyone kind of looks at you like oh you were unprepared for this and it's kind of embarrassing because it's yeah you said that you wanted to do this and then now you just look like a looser and you don't even know what you're doing and then people are chiming in like um hey you might want to try this out like because they feel the need to like coach you up since you obviously didn't do it yourself like that happened during the 80100 even for me a lot of people a lot of advice this time around no one hardly really said anything to me just because i was like you should wear gloves i should wear gloves yeah except those people everyone that was in that room though they kind of just knew that like

it was going to happen. Yeah. There wasn't a lot of doubt. I was a lot more dialed. Yeah. I mean, it reminds me of when you, people do just say stuff. And I don't know if they don't believe it or if they're just trying to get a good sound bite or if they're trying to sell their, but it reminds me, you know, the Paul Johnson running across America and, or the whole country. What do they call that?

Transcon. Transcon. But four days in, he said, yeah, I'm not going to, well, not going to happen. four days out of 40 or 50 or whatever already thrown in the towel. So it's like, well, how real was this attempt? Yeah. But yeah, so that's and hey, props to him. He put himself out there.

He actually ran across the United States. That's incredible. Yeah. But it's just like people will pick apart what you say and how you went about it. And also with revisionist history, look back and be like, well, you weren't even ready. But you said you were going to do this. this, why would you say that?

Yep. So, yeah. And I'm very aware that just like in the ultra endurance sport space, people will critique you. And like if you put yourself out there, you say your goal, just like that Paul Johnson, he was like, I'm going to try to break the record. It was a big deal. A lot of people following along. And then it didn't happen after four days or whatever.

And then another person I can think of, Ned Brockman, he said he was going to go for the record. And then it just, it didn't pan out the way that. that he thought, but people will still criticize you, even though you did something that's remarkable. Like running 1,000 miles, I think it ended up taking them like 12 days. Yeah. And the people criticizing, they would never even dream of doing that, but since that you said that you were gonna do it,

they hold you to your word. Right. And so I knew that was gonna happen, because I would say, people would ask me, they're like, so like how long are you gonna go for, how many do you plan to get? And I said, don't even give me the record if I don't get at least 10,000.

So like, with, saying that beforehand and then if I wasn't to do it it's just you don't want to be in that position yeah so I made it to where it was like the training everything was absolutely dialed got down to 7% body fat or whatever um 165 pounds going to bed hungry waking up um running like 10 miles doing the thousands of pull-ups and and just every single thing was just boom boom boom I knew exactly what I was doing for that day. And recently we watched the Brian Johnson Netflix documentary. Don't die.

Don't die. Pretty easy to look at him and be like, what a freak. Or like, what a weirdo. What a stupid way to live your life. And then the more that I thought about it, I woke up the next morning, took like my 30 pills. Yeah. Go on the round, come back, pull ups every minute, on the minute, 10 reps, just standing there for hours. And I was like, maybe I'm more like him than I thought.

Yeah. regimented regimented yeah because that's that is what it takes though um to get to that next level and then for like high performance you can't it doesn't happen by accident so yeah it's just you know you just got to be dialed in every facet of your life but yeah big goals they require a lot yeah um yeah that was a big one and it's like that one's got a lot of attention over the last few years handful of years i mean god was first made it famous with his 4,032, and that was in, what, 2013? And since then, now it's like, it's on people's radar

and they want to get that record just because it gets so much attention and they had to get 10,000. It's incredible. So in training every day, like, how would you motivate yourself to get in that work? Or is this just who you are now? No, that's a good question.

It's, I don't know where it comes from. I guess it's kind of like going for the record, I would say, brought on a lot of fear just because of how badly I hurt during that 8100. It was more pain than during that 8100. It hurts so badly. My hands, every time I would touch the bar, they were so tender. It would like send like shivers up my spine. It was just like, oh, my God. The point is it hurts so badly and to for me to announce that I was going to go for the record again brought on a lot of fear just because you know how badly something's going to hurt.

Yeah. And then you can fail. There's always that possibility and that hurts as well. But fear you can either use it to your advantage, you know, like cook food with it or you can allow it to burn your house down. That's like Mike Tyson said something along those lines. And it's true. for me i've been able to harness that pretty well to where it is an extreme motivation for me whether that's like on the runs for the marathons because i know that eyes are going to be on me

whether it's because of the pull-ups or i'm your son or i'm in jeans whatever it is there's a target on my back and i know that people are going to want to compete and beat me um and that's fine but I use that fear of competition and losing to my advantage. Fear of failure. Fear of failure, yeah. So I've been able to do that. I did that really well this last time with the pull-ups. And I don't know what it comes from,

but I just have an idea that people are laughing at me. There's like laughing at me, looking weak, looking stupid, because I'm saying these big goals and then I don't rise to the occasion, and I want to protect myself. from that. So I'm just like, okay, like you guys have no idea what you're, what you're like turning me into. And then like I'll show you type of deal. So then I've been able to use that fear and like that of not living up to my expectations pretty well. It's just a good fuel source for me.

Maybe even more so than like being thankful for the ability to do it, which maybe isn't the healthiest, but for whatever reason that just gets me right into gear. I just don't want to look weak. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get that. Well, I mean, if you failed, I think people would be pretty cool about it. They wouldn't, nobody, they wouldn't really say anything. No, you know, that's okay. Good job. You tried. You tried your best. People are so supportive. No. They're brutal. Not that I've seen. They're brutal on social media. So yeah, how do you deal with like you do set big goals? You do put yourself out there. I've told you before there's a lot to hate about you. Uh, if people, you know, if people, you deal with like, you do set big goals, you do put yourself out there. I've told you before. Uh, if people, uh, if people, if people, if people, people want to be jealous or they want to, you know, good looking in shape, good following, doing awesome stuff. That's going to drive a lot of people crazy. So how do you deal with those type of people that essentially want to lash out because for whatever reason, they feel a certain way about you and they want you to hurt? How do you deal with it? That's a good question. I'm still trying to figure that one out. Yeah. No, I think I can just, I think I can understand that

when you put yourself out there, not everyone's going to just accept you. And that's the world that we live in. Every single person has critics. And I can't expect that it's going to be any different with me. And I just need to stay committed to my goal and stay focused on the task at hand and realize that not everyone's going to be a fan. But that doesn't change anything. Just like every single person in the world, like you could be doing the most good. to anybody and people are like well i mean so ken right out i messaged him just because he's dealt with

like haters before as have you um and he said he messaged me and was like you could walk on water then people would say um that you can't swim yeah and it's true i mean people will just find anything to point out like a criticism of you because you're getting attention people are celebrating your goals the fact that you're going after um all these achievements and then you have publicity people talking about you, that just comes with it. Yeah. And so I just need to not be so sensitive really to it. Yeah, it's just when you put yourself out there,

you just open yourself up to a lot of it. What I like to say is love me or hate me. I'm still getting paid. I didn't make it up. I don't know who did, but good job. Well, there's that one bowler. I forget his name. Oh, Pete Weber.

Pete Weber? Yeah. Yeah, he's like. Fucking left. Love me or hate me. He said something along those lines. Love me or hate me. All you could do is watch. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That is another good one. Yeah. All you could do is watch. Yeah, because he was out, he was the actual, you know, people, the whole man in the arena. Yeah, bowling, probably not the arena. I guess Teddy Roosevelt was talking about. But Pete Weber was the ones people are sitting in the stands watching. Yeah. And yeah, you watched. That's all you could do. That's all you could do. But it does bring up a good point. humans in general like sports and entertainment this is a criticism that I receive and it's like I think I posted about myself breaking the record officially and I was just saying like how much it

meant to me how long a process it was and like all this motivational stuff and I think I kind of took myself seriously in that moment and then someone was like relaxed buddy all you did was pull yourself up on a bar. It's not like you cured cancer or something. And it's like that is true. And I can understand like I would in another like few years back, I probably would have made fun of the same thing. I'm like, all you did was pull-ups, you dork.

Yeah. But you have to take yourself that seriously if you want to set a world record for something or if you're passionate about something. My mind always goes towards Michael Jordan. And it's like, what does he, what did he really do? put a ball into a hoop. Yeah. Kids do it every day all over the world.

All over the, it's a game. Yeah, it's just for fun. You're in school, and then teachers are like, okay, 15 minutes to go and play. What do you go and do? You grab a basketball. You're literally taking a break from actual work school to go and play a game, basketball. And that's what Michael Jordan did for a living. But he inspired millions.

Maybe inspiration is like a cheap word these days to say that like, oh, I just want to inspire people. And then they're like, okay, whatever. But the point is it's like that the 10,001 reps would never happen unless I signed the most meaning to it. And so if you want to achieve a goal, it has to be like you have to live and breathe it. And so that's what I did there. And I know it's it is kind of silly sometimes to think that like a game can have so much meaning. But for me it did. And I hope that people can take that.

Maybe you aren't obsessed with games or with exercising. or running marathons even, just like it's kind of arbitrary to be like, oh, you want to break a 2.30 marathon? What's the big deal? That doesn't mean anything. People have done it thousands of times. Yeah. But you have to give yourself these goals and they are personal goals.

And I think everyone has a goal that they're working towards. And then for me to come along and say, that's stupid, that I just don't really, it's personal. Yeah. Well, a lot of people don't care, really care passionately about anything. And they, so they might not know what that's like. You know, most people, they wonder what their passion is or what can motivate them. They're looking for that every day. They go to a job.

They don't like, you know, they do whatever. They're just going through the motions. So when somebody is tunnel vision on something, whether it's Michael Jordan on basketball, I'm not saying you're Michael Jordan, but it is an arbitrary thing to be passionate about and be the best competitor in the world, but that's what he cared about. And because he cared, a lot of other people cared and watched him. Same with you. So most people can identify with that mindset because they've never had something in their

life that they're like, just like, I got to do this. I have to do this. Every day I'm dedicated to this thing. And would their life be richer or more fulfilled with something like that? Probably. But that doesn't mean that everybody finds it. That's a hard part. And that's where people kind of, I think, have trouble connecting sometimes with people who are very focused.

And, you know, just like the other saying is like, accept no excuses, produce only results. That mindset is very rare. Everybody makes excuses. Everybody has an excuse why they didn't get the results. But when you have this, like, I accept no excuses. I produce only results. Right there. not everybody gets that but if you get it it's going to resonate with a lot of people sure and i think

i can blame you a little bit for this mindset because you remember this is your own words we're at the movie theater and i don't know how old we were probably i was probably like 10 10 or was 13 and you said like look around this is average you don't want to be average so in the back of my mind from like 10 years old i was like i don't know what i'm going to do with my life but i'm definitely not going to be average because my dad said that's not what we're supposed to be. Yeah, I said, I said, look around. It's like all the people standing in line getting snacks, just like we were. But, but in most people, I'm not whatever, but are overweight, maybe whatever. But I just said, you look at everybody there, that's average. That's not what we're trying to be. That's not,

that is not the goal. And I think I said, well, this might have been a little too far, but I said, being average is failing. And so maybe I could have voted it better. Yeah, I mean, so if someone wanted to blame me why I'm on this path, I would just say my dad. Yeah, you know, it's like, it's pretty funny. We were talking about making this film on the pull-ups. And I've said this before, like the old family videos from when kids were little,

nobody gives a fuck about watching those until that. kid who wrecked on his bike does something amazing, right? Without the amazing part, nobody's going to watch a kid wrecking on the bike. I don't know. That video is pretty cute. It's pretty good. Let's put this in context because people, I feel weird when people are like, now they see like what you've done. We run together. We do these things. Just like, oh, you're the best dad. And I'm just like, oh fuck you weren't around all the time i tell you that because i definitely was not the best dad um well that that actually reminds me i'll interject i went on a run today eight miles after we just did the 18 miler yesterday yeah ran past um briggs middle school where tanner and i would both run in

elementary school you go across the street and run the mile i'm sure they don't do that anymore it's probably the law. You can. That's child abuse. Yeah. But anyway, I thought about this in relation to you that like we would run around that track, try to see how fast we could do it. Tanner ended up setting the school record, I think it's 639.

And then four years later, I did 628. Big deal. Made us feel good about ourselves, all that. But for whatever reason, and I don't know how you contacted the school and was able to do that we're able to do this but i would get pulled i think starting from the first grade or second grade when they would go and run the mile i would go and run it with them and then so they'd be like hey true they're they're going across so going like get with them and then so i'd go and run the mile with them and i'd be the only second grade or whatever and what grade were they

fifth yeah yeah so only the fifth graders would go and run the mile oh got you yeah so you asked the school if I could go and run it and then so I'd get excused every day to go and run it with them. And then I remember mom picked me up after one day after doing it and I remember it was, I think you wanted me to get the fastest mile ever by a second grader or whatever. And I didn't get it, but I lied to mom and I said that I got like 721. And I was like, I got the fastest mile by a second grader ever. And she was like, good job. And I was like, yeah, I was either that.

or 751. And then, but I knew that I got 7.51, but I lied because I think I just wanted to maybe like get you off my back for that. Just be like, eh, if I can just give them this and maybe he'll leave me alone a little about like trying to go to the extra mile. I don't know, probably not. I don't think I was too well at scheming in the second grade. You could probably see through that.

But I mean, I'm sure that there was a lot of pressure as a kid. just running and then trying to perform. You're sure there was? Yeah. Or there was. Or you don't remember. It's impossible to remember. Yeah.

No. Yeah, that was, I definitely never wanted you guys compared to all the other kids. So I knew that it was just the fifth graders, but I'm like, I don't care. I want my kid running the mile. And I don't care that he's second grade. Same reason I had you run the marathon when you're supposed to be 16. you're only 13. Yeah.

But yeah, well, I'm just like, I'm always been adverse to just comparing to the average. Like, well, this is what we do when we get in fifth grade. It's like, well, no, I want to, I want you to do it when they're younger. But, and it's, or it's like the average on killing bull elk or whatever is 10%. It's just like, I don't care about average. I'm not, I'm not, again, we're not after average. We're after setting new, whatever. So that was, it started with you guys young.

But I guess to the point I wanted to make is that because there'll be some dads out there that see like our relationship, see what we've done. They tell me, oh, you're a great dad. And I'm like, no, I wasn't. Because most kids, I got lucky with kids that could respond. And it wasn't always perfect. The response wasn't perfect.

But there's going to be some kids that some dads see this, starts pushing their kid and they're just not made for it's just like it's going to turn out bad that's what i feel bad about i got lucky with you guys because you guys could respond and again it wasn't perfect there's a lot of tears a lot of whatever but at the end of the day we're here now and it's all good but it was rough for a while well and the difficulty is i responded about 10 years later so for a while there i mean honestly maybe Maybe that's what it took. For a while there, I did not want to run with you.

I didn't want to go hunt with you. So, I mean, like, eventually I came around, but it's really hard to say that everyone's going to be the same. Yeah, I mean, what if something would happen to me, and maybe people die all the time, dads die all the time. What if during that time where we didn't run and didn't hunt because I had pushed you guys hard?

Maybe what if I would have died and then that was it? Right. We got lucky that didn't happen. and now we have this, you know, good relationship and we push each other and it's fun and all that. But it's like, yeah, so when people say stuff like it, I'm like, oh, God, I don't, I definitely don't feel like I did good. But it's easy now to think, oh, man, the kids turned out great.

Yeah, I mean, because there was the level of, and I know exactly what you're talking about now as an adult, how we didn't go the extra mile. We really didn't as kids. Like just thinking back on it. Even so we did that 18-mile or yesterday, finished at my high school at the halfway point, then ran back.

And by the way, you absolutely crushed it and you were faster than me. It's, so your all-time PR is 250, mine's 242 on paper, I'm faster. Yesterday I was dying and you were still ahead of me for 18 miles. So you should be in theory, except 240.

Just say it. That's your new goal. Okay, but, okay, anyway. I'm trying to finish Boston. That's my goal. See if I can finish it. Good. So Marist, I ran there all through high school, track and cross country.

Let me set the scene. You were a great runner. Yeah. One time, were you a freshman, but we ran Spencer's. I did this little video, is in the rain. I said, I said the phenom. Druid Haynes is a running phenom, which you could have been at that.

time. Yep. So that's what I was trying to instill in you to this belief that you were great. Yeah, I think I was 16 at that time. Okay. That was my fastest, that was the fastest I ever was in high school. You still have two more years after sophomore year and I'd let it go. Yeah, so tell me then what happened in high school. Well, I just, I underachieved. And I don't know what that came from. Maybe it was just the expectations or the pressure or just how bad. bad it hurt because practice would hurt. But I just wouldn't go the extra mile at all. I would run with the kids in the middle of the pack during practice.

And then I want to be the top finish during practice either. I want to push myself to like extreme lengths or anything. I just went through the motions and then I just went to the race. And then I was able to perform better than people on race day. But it wasn't because of like the extra. work I was putting in. And then I think you said this yesterday, but you would see me in practice just running with the middle of the pack, just kind of like goofing around instead of like pushing and being just like being a leader, I guess. And then I'm giving your best. Giving my best. I would

never do that. Yeah. Because losers do that. I don't know what I thought, but the weekend would roll around. Our coach, Chase Wells, he would give us, okay, guys, you got to do eight miles this weekend, just by yourself, you know, get some mileage on the legs. Never once did I do that. Didn't even think about it. I didn't even cross my mind. I was like, I'm going to go to the gym and lift. Yeah.

And just goof around with my cousin, honestly. So just thinking about that. And I was like, man, if I was in high school now, I would run to school and get that in before everyone else and then run back after school. Just get in like, because we lived about four miles away, just so that I could act, like, get the most out of myself. Yeah. Because I have that mindset now, and that's what you were trying to instill in us,

but we just, as kids, it's really hard to find that. Yeah. But if you can find it for any kids listening out there, you will be an absolute savage. Well, and I think we've talked about this or maybe just us, but you guys did do more than most kids like up until then. Like that's why you had the school records because I would have you guys run when you're young. And so you were outworking people before that. But then in high school it's tough because then kids, for most parents, when kids, before they get to high school, they'll do it pretty much do whatever you say because

they got no choice and they're scared of you. So it's like, no, you're doing this. I don't care what you think. But when high school, then they started making their own decisions a little bit. And then you can tell them and sometimes kids will just be like, I would have done that, but since you told me to, I'm not going to. Yeah, exactly. So it's kind of just, it's just this budding heads thing that this happens, especially,

well, probably with all kids, but young men want to get to this place where they can make their own decisions, be their own person or whatever. So then, you know, not listening to your parents is kind of like a right of passage almost. Sure. So I get that. I mean, Tanner, I did get him to start putting in more work in basketball because I would just said that if you do what everybody else does, you're just going to be average.

Yeah, I mean, you told us that over and over and over again. Yeah, so I said, we got to do more. And Tanner, he started lifting and then would shoot three-pointers after practice every day. And he got, he's really good as a senior. But it was because of doing more work than others. That's what's hard to, that's a tough lesson. It is, but if you can pick that up as a kid and recognize, that more work, more discipline leads to a brighter future and also better results.

That's a valuable lesson that translates to everything in life. Yeah. Do you remember, like, when I'd say that stuff to you, what would you guys think? Usually putting in more work meant something that we didn't want to do. Yeah. You know, you just kind of want to hang around and goof around with other kids. Because honestly, I didn't really know any other kids that were doing that. So I kind of felt like it was unfair, like it was an unfair ask.

And I just remember thinking, like, I just want to be like the rest of the kids, you know, kind of hang out in high school. There's like parties going on rather go and do that than whatever the heck you have designed for us. Just, I don't know, I think I just got a little bit burnt out on the whole thing. Yeah. Then would you and Tanner like in your bedroom say, Dad's making us. I hate that. Yeah. I mean, probably.

Now, all that I knew is that we didn't want to do your design. Yeah. I mean, so now I can appreciate it because my mindset is in the right place and I want it for myself. But when your dad is the only one that wants it for you, I don't know. I don't think it works. Yeah. It usually doesn't work. Mm-hmm.

Hmm. Yeah. Well, now you've come back to it. So now you have these huge goals. You got the one knocked off. And right now you got this video series out chasing 230 or what's it called? What's a very? Sub 2.30 in 2025 or die.

Okay. There you go. So that's the goal. You did 242 in Austin in jeans on a hilly, windy course. Yeah. So we're thinking under ideal situations with this extra workload, which, you know, is whatever, you can say whatever you want, but need to get lighter.

Yeah. With reduced body weight, with, you know, you, I mean, you got everything going because this is basically your job now. Yeah. So you're training, you're eating, trying to eat perfect. Not you don't always eat perfect every day. Yeah. But putting in the training, getting the sleep, doing everything with the goal of sub 230,

which is 543s. right for a marathon so how does that how's it feel what's likelihood of that happening what do you think how are you feeling well i have a lot of races so i have a lot of opportunity this year for sure but yeah what it comes down to is you got to and it comes back to like the pull-ups that's all that i wanted it was just focusing on that half a year every single day would wake up and be like i got to get better at this I got to get better at this. So it has to be the same thing for that. Well, it was five years, but kind of four and a half of almost a high school effort,

I mean, maybe more. You're doing more, but not like the last six months effort. Right. So you still, even though you're an adult and you've learned all these lessons from when you're a kid and wish you would have done this, you still had to learn that lesson yourself of, I got to flip this switch. Yep. And that's only been, I mean, you've trained.

you've always trained hard, but a lot of people train hard. There's a lot of guys at the gym right now that look like, you know, in great shape. But there's a big difference between training and looking like you're in good shape and doing amazing, performing amazing things. Sure. You know, so it's still only the last six months is when you really ramped it up, right? Yep. Yeah, that's when I really honed in on it and then was giving my absolute all to where, like,

I didn't think that there was anything extra I could do. And that's how you get to that level. Is when you're like, I really didn't skip out on any days. And I didn't leave any variables out there that I didn't try to make myself better at. So what changed? I mean, why were you more committed than almost anybody? And then the last six months, six months, even another level. What change?

It's kind of like what option do I have really? have. There's things that we're just naturally good at. And like there's ways, yeah, not to sound like overly dramatic, but like for survival, it's like, so if this is my job and this is what I do, then how could I not show up every single day and give my absolute all? It's like this world record, I wanted to have nothing holding me back, no excuses. And then, So why would I not give my absolute all towards this? And then so like that's why I quit my job so that I could focus solely on that fact

because the kid before me who had the 9250, that's all that he did. And then so I was like, I really don't like the idea of me not having that option and me not being able to give my absolute all towards it because I said that this is what I want to do so I don't want to be embarrassed. So I made it to where even playing field

this is what I'm going to do now, and I think that I can go further than you. And then so it was just like, you know, it's my wife and I. I want to take care of her, and she's my motivation in that sense to where I was like, I need to make sure that I do this because it's a big sacrifice for us to take this risk. And I'm going to make sure that we made the right decision. Yeah, because critics could say, well, you quit a job. Now you just do, all you do is train full time. so that's why you can do this.

But for most people, 99.999, they could quit their job and they still wouldn't do amazing things. And I'm not saying that they're wrong. I think yeah, you open yourself

up to criticism when you have like a weird goal like that. It's just, it's what I wanted to do. You know, like there's a lot of people, you can do whatever you want with your life. And I don't think that I'll, ever offer criticism or critique it or try to give you advice on what I think you should do. That's what I wanted to do.

My wife and I decided that's what we wanted to do. And then so we went and made it happen and gave our absolute all towards it. So I mean, yeah, that's we made it happen. But yeah, it was a different level of motivation because it was like either I do this or I don't eat type of deal. So I guess the biggest change was quitting your job to go full time. in on chasing stuff like this. And then there's a risk like, okay, well, how am I going to make money now? Yeah. So you have to, you almost have to achieve these amazing things for sponsors to say,

yeah, well, okay, we'll pay you this much a month or a year or whatever else. But that's only when you're doing incredible things people care about and they're paying attention to. And those sponsors or advertisers have these eyeballs on them because of you. So there is pressure to perform pretty much every day. Yep. A job, and people can dismiss whatever, it doesn't matter, but when your job is to perform

that's hard because basically there's one way to succeed, one thing, you did what you said, and a million ways to fail. Yeah. It's true, I could have got hurt. I could have tore something. Something could have went wrong

or maybe I wasn't, I didn't put in the level of dedication that was necessary and then then what are you you're just the guy who failed again yeah because every everybody says i worked my ass off i gave all i could nobody knows right nobody really knows everybody says that but only they know if they actually did that you have you said you did it and you proved it because you did you did the thing but yeah that's a that's a tough one because nobody it's the only person that knows is the guy looking back in the mirror and sometimes you You can even lie to that guy.

You can and people do all the time. And I have to myself before. Remember in 2023 when all I could do was 4,000, the record was 8,000. And I remember I'm telling you, I was like, this is going to be easy the night before. I really believed that. And that was a lie, obviously, of telling myself. I was like, yeah, I don't need to do more than 200 in a day. I should be fine.

And I seriously believe that. I thought that I gave my all. I was like, yeah, I've been doing this for years. I should be fine. That's a big lie. Yeah. And then so this time around, it was like, like I said, there's no doubt. And I think with with a normal job a lot of the times, you can kind of hide behind blame other people for like why maybe the company is not doing well or you can shift blame for maybe for your job. And

it's not like ever just directed solely towards you a lot of the times. Like if you work on a team environment, I got a marketing team, which is what I did, to where like someone's just looking right at you the entire day and then seeing if you can perform the task at hand. Whereas the pull-ups, it literally is that. I can't hide behind anyone else. It is just me there. And then it's like, well, can you do it? And thankfully, I was able to do it, but I kind of like that pressure and just the sole

responsibility of everything being directly on me. Yeah. Yeah. It's not easy. And I think there's, you know, you mentioned your wife, Alicia, earlier, but I do remember, so there's something that guys need to understand. If your wife isn't on the same page, if you're married, your wife isn't on the same page as far as going after crazy goals like this or even like being a hunter like me,

if she was like, you say, oh, I got to go to the gym, I got to do whatever. I'm going to go train for a couple hours. And it's like, again, when are you going to be? You know, it's like then that's a, but she's been like, okay, yeah, you got to go in this work. Did you eat first? Did you do this? And that's how Trace has been with me too with the hunting is.

So basically couldn't, I don't think I could have done what I have done without a wife like that. I don't know if you could have. I don't. No. I doubt it. But what I remember. remember is it's a little different for a wife too. Because if you fail, that hurts. But you're in

control of that. When you fail that first time, that hurt her, and she couldn't do anything about it. So I remember going around the corner there and saying, I can't remember if you were there, but I know I was talking to her and I just said, it's not going to happen today. And she was just like oh just okay so well does you need take a break and should he eat and see and i was just like it's not going to happen today yeah it's not happening today it's over and she was crying and that's she wants it as bad as you and can't do anything about it that's that's intense but when that's working and you're doing all you can she's helping support you and believing in you with all she has, that's where magic happens.

Yeah, and it would be a disservice to her if I didn't put my best foot forward every single day in training, you know, to where like if I made her feel that way again, I think as a husband, you kind of, you need to protect your wife because you guys are on the same team. And she's giving me her all. I need to give my all to her as well. And that, in that sense, for the pull-up record, it was like, I got to bust my ass every single day so that we don't feel helpless again like that.

Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, to your point, absolutely could not have done it without her. And I can say for certainty, you could not have done what you've done with your life without mom. For sure. Hate her. No, I mean, it's incredible. She's, yeah, mom's incredible, Alicia's incredible. I mean, what do they say?

Behind every great man is a much greater woman in our cases. I think it's BS. Yeah, I think that's what they, no, I'm just kidding. Yeah, it's, I think that goes, I think that doesn't get said enough. But, oh, and then what I will say is that reminds me for like husbands listening, your wife is watching you. And so I thought about this. I did the MRF a few years ago, you know, like the mile, 100 pull-ups, 200 push-hubs,

yeah, with the weight vest on. And Alicia was there watching me. I believe she was filming me for this. and I just remember thinking I was like because I could kind of it hurt really bad so I could kind of like wind down a little hold myself back from going to like that red lining and I just remember thinking to myself I was like my wife is watching me right now like she decided to marry me out of everyone else and am I going to like because it hurts so bad I'm going to kind of slow down and be like cut the camera and then it's like she knows that i'm going to do that and then how is she

going to view me after that so i think husbands need to not take their wives for granted it's like you still have a job to make them proud of you and just like you're like you want to want to look weak in front of us even though that we're going to love you at the end of the day because you're a dad but you need to have some like self-respect to not look weak And so I just remember thinking that during the Murph, I was like, man, I know this seems like it's not that important, but I want to perform for her and make her realize that she made the right decision by being with me by not being a quitter on this workout, even though it's just some meaningless workout at the end of the day. It's like, they're watching you. Yeah. Yeah.

And guys, you don't really want your wife going, my fucking husband's a pussy. that's what I'm trying to say. And you know that happens. Right. Or, yeah, I mean, just what I was saying is like, you kind of take it for granted. It's like, oh, they love me that, you know, we share every day together. It's like, till death do us part. Right.

It's like, yeah, but you still got to do what you're supposed to do. Don't be a pussy. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I think that, yeah, you do a good job on your. on your videos, on your story of sharing that teamwork aspect. And I think that's a big part of it. Because I just, I've seen a lot of guys that they're, you know, they're fighting themselves

on trying to achieve the stuff. And then they're also fighting their wife on doing what it takes to achieve it. And it just makes it impossible. This is not gonna happen. So to get your wife to believe in you, you have to give her a reason to believe in you. And yeah, I think that's what we're talking about.

But, yeah. Yeah, so why are we switching gears from the pull-ups, the pull-up king, like the king of Moab, Max Joliffe. Shout out Max. Shout out Max. My stomach is, maybe I need to fart. Is that what that was? I don't know. My stomach is growling.

But from the king of pull-ups to the king of Moab, shout-out to now what's this running thing? Why are you switching gears? Check this out. Original quote, to give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift. I said that.

No, that's Steve Prefontein. Oh. But I truly believe that there is a lot of untapped potential with running for me. Really? Hmm. And what sucks is that no one ever told me that in my entire life. That is a tragedy.

If I would have just had a dad that believed in me. God. And pushed you. Who knows, right? And pushed me. Yeah. Who knows what I could have accomplished there. But I really want to see what I can accomplish there.

And I know it's possible I'm 28 now. I don't know when you're running prime. Must be nice. Yeah, it must be nice that I was born in 1996. But anyway, at least you're not 57. and basically dead. Basically. Your best years are behind you,

except you could PR by over 10 minutes, but we don't have to get into that if it makes you uncomfortable having big goals. Anyway, what was I said? I'm a bow hunter. No, you said you want to see what you're capable of, I guess, with running if you go all in. Is that what you're saying?

Yep. If I take the same mindset for the pull-ups, because as of right now, I am the, the world record holder for the longest pull-up endurance event in the world. 24-hour, that's what everyone wants. And I have that right now. Like when you look up, most pull-ups in 24 hours, my name comes up. So that's kind of like a done deal right there.

The marathon business, I think, as we just saw, 242, I started to run consistently last January. And you haven't even had like, tons of miles no big mileage weeks really i mean you did your first hundred mile week but that was with the 50 mile day but generally it's been like 50 60 miles a week yeah yeah the first time hitting 200 miles in a month was this january so just a couple months ago and i believe that comes out to like a little over seven miles a day on average. Oh,

I guess a little bit under, actually. But anyway, so I just have not been putting on a lot of mileage because the main thing was the pull-ups. And my main thing has never been running. No matter how hard you tried, it never really was. I think just because of like runs like yesterday, 170 beats per minute, six-minute flat miles usually is what we were running.

It hurts so damn bad sometimes. You know how hard it. is to find that motivation to by yourself. Yeah. When you have a training partner, like we did yesterday, it makes it easier and you can cope because you have someone pushing you and you don't want to look like a bit to that person, really is what it comes down to. But running is hard.

And it makes, like, fatigue makes cowards of us all. So I have always kind of shied away from that. But now I want to take that head on and see what I'm truly capable of. And that's why this year I want to go under sub 230. And I think that I really can. I have eight and a half months to get that goal. Like you said, it's 543 per mile. That's going quick.

But I really think that there's so much potential that I really do have that I haven't tapped into. And I just want to like squeeze everything out of me. Take the towel, squeeze it out, see what I'm capable of. And I really think that I could get into the 220s and then who knows after that. I think there's something beautiful to like how you said is like ringing out whatever the towel ringing out every ounce of talent you have essentially is what you're trying to get there's something beautiful about that giving all you have to one certain thing and just seeing where that gets you and it's just like it is it's a big ask it's a big or it's big to say it it's big to put in the work to do that to be like I'm going to this is going to hurt but I'm giving in everything. but that's to me that's honoring the gift of life because if we're not doing that what are we doing what are we doing with this if we have a god-given ability like i've thought i always thought you've had with running what are we doing if we're not honoring that to to the highest level it's like you're

kind of taking life for granted or taking your gifts for granted so i think there's something And I think there's something amazing about, yeah, I want to see how far I can take this. Yep. And it's going to be rough. But that's okay. Yep. I know. And so I have a lot of opportunity because I have, we have the Boston Marathon next month.

And then I signed up for the Deseret News Marathon, which is July. That's in Utah. And then I have the Huntsville Marathon in September. and then the New York City Marathon in November. So that's quite a few races. And then a couple net downhill if I really wanted to see what I can do. It's at elevation,

which makes it a little bit more difficult. What the net downhill races? Yeah, both of them. But I think that a pretty good gut check is going to be Boston Marathon next month and just see what I can do there. I'm hoping for sub 240. And then after yesterday is 18,000.

mileer that we did a 619 average pace with a 730 thrown in there just to warm up that's that's a dang good run so if we can um do that obviously like that be considered a tempo round but if i can run six flats at boston with the crowd going i actually drink water we didn't have any water during that run yesterday i i think that we could get both of us honestly right around like 240 if not under it so me no three hours for me no try to finish yeah there you go not even three hours now yeah no it's uh that that would be awesome i just uh i think that's going to happen for sure i think given your progression and the amount of work you've done and now you've done more work and i think there's also something cool about when you can change your body to adapt to the challenge

that you're facing. Before it was you wanted to get light, but still have these muscles for pull-ups. Now you're trying to transform a little bit, hopefully lose a little muscle up top, gain some strength in the legs, lose some body weight. There's, you know, not trying to body shame anybody,

but a great runner, Olympian runner just told me that his coach used to tell him when it comes down to running, all he wants to see is dick and ribs. So it's like, that's... Nothing else helps. The lighter you can be, then the faster you're going to go. Of course, we're not trying to be unhealthy, but it's a body weight is a big part of

performing at a high level with running. It's efficiency. Yeah, you've got to be efficient, but you can't be malnourished, of course. But you got a lot, you got a lot where you could tweak. And I think there's something cool about, I've always tried to do that. Like, I remember I was up to 190 before just lifting and, Barely running just wanted to see change my body. Then it was like I'd been at 150 up to 190.

Now I'm back now this morning I was 159. So it's it's like there's something cool about manipulating your body to achieve whatever goal you have. And for me it's always been bow hunting, but now it's been a little bit this running thing because I've had since I retired. Now I can get a little more rest, a little more maintenance. And it's just man, it's great to your body response, I think is the point. one person that gave me some inspiration during trying to lose weight for the pull-ups get down because I've always liked being around like 180 kind of just feels good I can eat whatever I want all throughout the day feel kind of jacked and strong obviously that's not good

for pull-ups but it just made me feel good about myself when I started to lose weight I had Christian Bale and the machinist in the back of my mind you talk to him and I talked to him every day Yep, Batman. Yeah. No, but he was like 200 pounds, around 200 pounds. He got down to 118. You want to talk about unhealthy? That's unhealthy.

All that he would eat is a can of sardines and apple and smoke cigarettes. But you know how hard it is to intentionally and not be like a drug addict, but lose that much weight? It is insane. I mean, because we are so used to not having any hunger pain at all. Most people never go to bed hungry for sure. Go to bed hungry, but even throughout the day. They don't even let themselves feel hungry. It's so uncomfortable.

It's all consuming your mind. Like when you fast for religious purposes, they do that because it is all consuming. Like you're almost a slave to food. So it's like that's why it's such a big deal if you're able to do it for longer than even like a couple days. Like you're not going to die, but your body is so accustomed to just filling your mouth full of food. even when you don't need it, to where if you don't have it, you're on a restrictive calorie diet,

and if you want to lose weight like that, for me, I think it was 15 pounds total. It's freaking hard. It actually is hard, especially if you want to perform on top of it. So I had him in the back of my mind because he was able to do that, and I was like, if he can do that,

I could drop 15 pounds. No big deal. So I think it is cool to make your body ready for the task, just like him, like for his roles, he's got he's gone the opposite way he's made himself fat for a role he made himself obviously 118 made himself jacked for uh patrick bateman american psycho so it's just you know if you can make yourself ready for whatever task that you're giving your absolute all towards i have a lot of respect for that yeah and what was your way to lose weight was it roughly

burning 4,000 eating three or what was it yeah it was right around there so i was like burn 4,000 throughout the day, eat 3,000, just extremely clean, kind of cut myself off around like 7 p.m. So you'd eat, you'd get your calories in before you worked out. So you weren't necessarily training fasted. Right. No, no. It's hard to do that. Yeah. And so ideally in a situation like that, you would have made up those calories at night so your body could recover and refuel and protein obviously helps your body recover and that's what people at night do which if you're training hard fine fine your body's using it most people aren't training hard so that's all just extra calories but um so you were training after you ate though but still that recovery at night wasn't

happening because you didn't give your body the fuel right before rest essentially like a dinner i would still have like 250 grams of protein it's like i was getting my protein in the calories just it wasn't imagine how much I was burning because I wanted to lose the fat. Yeah. I wanted to lose the weight and that's exactly what I was able to do. Thankfully. So it worked out extremely well. I would have like majority of my carbs throughout the day in the morning.

And then I would obviously do like thousands of polyps burn at all and then just kind of get enough in my body to make sure that I wasn't just like losing a bunch of muscle on top of it to where I was like usually. Well, with that protein, you're not going to lose. much muscle for sure yeah yeah so it was just you know being comfortable being uncomfortable yeah and when you have like a set goal in mind and you have a finish line in mind you're able to stomach it a lot better rather than if it was like 24-7 yeah 24-7's hard to do i mean alicia my wife she does that like she's able to handle that really well because she like your body really doesn't need that much

food like you said if you're not burning a bunch yeah but it's that's hard to stomach for a lot of people. It's hard. So I usually go, you know, get up. I do all my stuff, you know, whatever. We still got, I still got, quote, work to do. Go on a long run, eat. And then, like, in the evening where normally I just might look for something,

watch substance on TV, watch American primeval or, no, primary, wait, what was that? Primival. Yeah, I know what you're saying. I'm a primeval. Yeah. But whatever. But normally you'd be watching whatever and I want to eat something because that's what you do when you watch TV.

But lately, because I'm trying to get down to under 160, I'm just sitting there. That's fun. Is this what people do? They just sit here and don't eat. Don't eat popcorn? It's weird. It is so hard. When you're used to eating snacks every night, even if it's just apples and peanut butter,

or I used to eat a lot of nuts, pistachia. A lot of calories. Oh, God. And you don't even realize it. No, you can just sit there. I can eat like a whole bowl of pistachios, pop them, you know, break the shell, eat them, whatever. And it's like, who knows how many calories that is?

In 2000. And I'm watching TV eating all those calories. So it's when you don't do it, it's not super, I mean, it's not like, you don't have to overthink it. It's pretty damn easy, but it's so hard to implement. Simple doesn't mean easy. Yeah. And I mean, a lot of respect to the UFC fighters that do that, like Alex Pereira.

Yeah. I cannot believe that. What does he walk around at 220? Yeah. And gets down to, well, I think now he's been, has he been a high heavy? But he was getting done to 185. Yeah. So he's like 40 pounds.

Yeah. That is, I don't think people realize how insane that is. Yeah. So rough. That is freaking hard to do. because, yeah, I was walking around like 185, and he's like 6-4. I'm not 6-4.

No, no. Well, I mean, I'd have to check again, but I don't think I'm 6-4, no. Am I 6-4? Oh, no, I'm 5-4. Okay, I knew there's a 4 in there. Yeah, no, speaking of 5-4, Matt Johnson, you're going down at Leadville.

Yeah, I like this, yeah, so there's like this, I guess you guys are influencers. I don't know. The battle of the influencers. Man, that sounds cool. He's like a running influencer, but it's all fun.

It's, you know, hey, it's healthy. I mean, he's running. He's like doing a great job running. But you guys have this,

well, I haven't heard him mention it much, but I hear you mention it a lot. But like this little head-to-head. So he's doing Ladville. You say you're going to be. him. I don't know, does he say he's going to beat you? He probably says he's going to win. I think he says that he's going to set the course record or something like that.

But no, his goal is sub 18 hours. He's being coached by Zach Bitter. Yeah, that doesn't hurt. That doesn't hurt. Zach's a stud. Yeah, he's a stud for sure. But yeah, so I think top 10 is sub 18 is that that's where he would land. But so that's his goal. My goal is to beat him. Okay. So that that's a good goal. If that happens to be in the top 10, then so be. it but I guess we'll find out. I mean, we have five months about. And I should probably consider getting in shape for that.

Not too worried about it. So what's your weight goal to try to break 2.30 in the marathon? What do you think you need to get to? I would say right around your weight, about like 160. Yeah. I've been that light since high school. But if I could get down to that, that's just because right now, I mean, I weighed myself today. I was enclosed, but I was like 175.

That's why your fat ass was dragging yesterday. I know. Yeah, it really does. Come on, big boy. Yeah. You can do it. It makes a difference, though. You're like keeping your legs apart because your thighs were probably just getting all chafed.

Yeah. And I mean, I know the whole deal with hybrid athletes is, well, I look badass though when I'm running. And it's like, you don't look that badass when you're huffing and puffing way back there, dude. Yeah. Yeah. When you're holding your side. Yeah, or like running a 340 marathon isn't as cool as you think, even if you're jacked. It's just like, I don't know.

What are we doing? We're there to compete. Yeah. So, yeah, if I could get down to like 160, I think that I could really, really make 230 possible. Yeah, it's crazy how, I mean, it's not crazy. But if you think about it, it shouldn't be crazy. But the way I feel at 160 compared to 170, so much faster. but it's 10 pounds every step 10 pounds is a lot it's this same exact concept with the pull-ups

yeah pulling yourself up if you're 180 verse 170 it's 100 000 pounds for 10,000 reps extra and who told you that little secret david goggins shout out to the legend i know yeah so what do we have to say about guggins you mentioned you mentioned make what'd you say make comfortable uncomfortable or make uncomfortable comfortable yeah make being or be comfortable being uncomfortable. No. Make being uncomfortable comfortable comfortable. Yeah.

Well. But that's from the man, David Gaga. So give me something. What is David offered you? Well, I didn't realize this, but I was just looking at Badwater. And I think he got third one year. And he ran 130 miles and 25 hours. And it's hot as hell there.

Does it get up to like 120? Or 135? Or 130 even? Hot as hell. And after that one, that was where they had the interview. And we got, Macy, we got to look this up. But anyway, they got the interview. I didn't even notice it in what he says.

Yeah, yeah. They was like, what did you think of the heat or how is the heat out there? He's like, didn't notice. Out there this is Death Valley Special. You are my time by four hours and some change. Yeah. I didn't see anything. I didn't get the experience the whole spiritual side of the desert.

It'll sink in over the next few weeks. It will. But it right now, I don't know what you're talking about. It's like so epic. Yeah. What's crazy is he didn't know that Instagram was even going to be a thing then, but that's a good edit right there. Right there.

That's a freaking mic drop. Because he just like didn't notice it. I think he may have looked at the camera, but just being like, yeah, no, that's, I mean, that's just how we used. is you can't really manufacture that no you either have it or you don't he's got it he's got it well he made himself get it he made himself get it for sure but um now that's legit 25 hours to run that because a lot of people it's like if you can do 100 miles under 24 hours then you're a beast but to run 100 like 30

miles extra and right around that same time that's legit i didn't realize because he's not even he's not even really built as a runner like it's pretty good size what we've just been talking about yeah he's like to probably hard for him to get under 180 at his size and then obviously like you know his knees have caused some problems but not your stereotypical runner when he makes it happen yeah i mean i think and can't hurt me he talks about i know at least one year he got in 7000 miles in the year so if you do the math it's 20 miles a day every day that's a lot of miles that's a lot of miles and I don't think people realize what it what it takes to do 20 miles every day that is a lot of work that's that's very consistent yeah and for a whole year and I don't know I'm sure it went longer than

that but yeah I mean Goggins that's where the whole um impetus to the pull up world record started that's been you've been chasing Goggins this whole time finally got it but all Also, you got it though with his help, with his coaching, with his mentorship, calling you, going over notes, giving you ideas on how to break up the reps. It's, you know, I don't want, I'm not trying to take anything away from you earning that record, but it made a big difference having like a legend like that who knows what it's like to push that hard and knows kind of the challenges you're going to face to weigh in and even just, mentally just it just adds to to your arsenal i think yeah there would be even days where he would

call me twice just like he would think of something new and then tell me it but he was so excited to help me just because he's acquired so much knowledge over all the years of pull-ups and how to help yourself during this record that he just wanted to share it all with me because he knew that i was taking it so seriously because he did a little over 60,000 for when he broke the record in 2013 and then I told him, he asked me how many I did. And I was like, I'd have to go through the numbers. So in training you're talking about. In training, yeah.

And then I ended up getting back to him. I texted him. And I was like, ended up doing 120,000. And then so he called me and he was like 120,000. And he asked, how many of those did you do by yourself? And I said 120,000. He's like, that's right. Don't you forget that?

That was all you. And he was saying he doesn't think people realize how difficult. this record is to train for. There's nothing flashy about it unless you actually go and set the record. All that training would have been meaningless. Technically, 120,000 reps, that is a long-ass time. Yeah. That is just in the garage by myself.

So he wanted me to be proud of the fact that I did it, that I put in that level of work and that people will never understand what that took and how hard that was. But it's two contact points. That's it. just your hands. Yeah. And then so he was saying how it was more difficult

than any ultramarathon he's ever done was training for that record. Like the two times that he did it, it's just so mental. So mental and then so hard on your body. And then so obviously I asked him, I was like, yeah, how are your fingers holding up like after all these years of training?

And he's like, you're in trouble when you're older. Yeah. Yeah, but people that play is safe like to say bring that up too. Sure. Yeah, but no, he was just, he was keeping it real and he definitely helped me because before I was doing sets of 10 and then I dropped it down to six after talking to him. Six every 30, six every 30, six every 30 to 10 every minute. Yep.

Just because, you know, you're on the bar for 10 reps. It's a long time. Yeah, those last four. Yeah, those last four reps after the six, which is where he said you should get off after 30, but those last four, when they start to struggle, that's where you probably start to move your hands a little bit. But yeah, that was a great tip. Yeah. Doing six every 30 instead of that one, one every 10 or 10 every minute. Yeah.

Yeah, I was flying. That was great advice. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I told him, I was like, dang, you really know your stuff. I was like, you weren't kidding. And he would say that. He's, like, I remember him saying that.

Like, he's, like, been through the science of it, basically, or, like, thought about it. So, I mean, he is very obsessive. Yeah. Like, when he gets something in his head, it's probably all he thinks about. So that's what I say. It's a huge advantage mentally, if nothing else. But that one strategy piece was gigantic.

But just having him on your side is, man, how does that not help? Right. Yeah. No, having something like that in your corner makes a huge difference. And he was even calling during the record, the record day in a given advice. But yeah, big shout out to Goggins. He's absolute legend. And then now that I'm shifting more into like ultramarathons,

I just even I respect him even more just gets how difficult it is and how he's not like your stereotypical runner and it's it's freaking hard carrying that weight around yeah he'd probably have some good tips on ultras too yeah I mean you're kind of focused on on the marathons for right now but you do have a last man standing coming up yep you didn't mention that in your other race recaps that you're going to be no no but yeah that one I'm going to win obviously easily yeah no people have me because they did a live drawing lottery how I got into the race and I I think I ended up saying that my dad made a generous donation to Nick Bear. That's how I got in. That's how you've got

everything in your life. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. People would probably think that. Yeah, I'm sure that they think that. But yeah, so got into that race. Nick was kind enough to invite me out. And I hope that doesn't hurt people's feelings or if you're, I know. Well, hey, just one more competitor. I got it, I got, this is a little known tip. I don't know if people have heard before, but what camera are we on? Must be nice. 37.

Life's not fair. So you want to get into a race like the last man standing, Nick Bearer edition? Be a badass and have a good following. You'll probably get in. Well, I mean, he follows me. and then he just he saw that I put in for the race paid like everyone else and then so he just asked me for him to come out and I was like sure he was just like whoops you're in my shirt fell off it didn't take away from anyone else he just added me extra it took

from me you stole that opportunity from me you you don't want that you don't want to be i might be hey nick you got one of those wait What is that with the Chappelle when he's like, when he's like got the white all over his face? What is he after? Isn't like, don't they have that meme or got any more of that, those free entries for me? Are you talking about anthrax?

No, it was like Dave Chappelle. He's like a junkie on Saturday Night Live. Yeah, Tyrone. Tyrone, yeah, yeah. So yeah, you got any more of that, whatever. So those free entries, yeah, there you go. So I'll be Tyrone. Yeah, no, that's a good one.

Those last-man standings are, man, a whole other challenge. Yeah, that doesn't really help with marathon training. Theo Fon. He said, thanks for wearing my hat on the podcast. How does he know right now? It's live, baby. He's watching.

Hey, what's up, Dio? No, 27 of it. 37? Oh, we're still. Oh, no, I have 27. What's up, Theo? Gang, gang, baby. He did a great show last night to Theo, by the way.

And actually, I was going to ask you, how does, how do entertainers fit into the world of people? Like, you know, how everyone says that, like, basically, I don't count as a person because I don't have, like, a regular job. And they're probably right. But just, like, sports, entertainment, actors, how do you think that that fits in to just the world, the world that we live in? or like Theo Vaughn. Because technically we don't need entertainers. Entertainers, right? Yeah, or comedians.

Because, I mean, if you take that away, what happens? You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I think there's always been a place for art in society. Oh, I'm an artist. Artist. So it's, I mean, being a performer is kind of art. You're distracting the unruly mob. from their misery.

I think that's, didn't they start that in Rome? Wasn't that for the whole point for the games? Yeah, you mean the gladiators that were slaves? I don't think they were necessarily. Influencers are slaves. Yeah, you're basically like gladiators is how I look at it. Yeah, that's right. Right?

That's a good take. Yeah, so everybody's like, kill them, kill them all. But no, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think we've always, society's always wanted to be inspired, entertained. the arts, performance, music, it always does that. So sports, there's a reason why so many people watch the Olympics, they want to see people compete. And whether it's, whether it is to be inspired to chase after stuff yourself or a distraction

or just enjoyment, it's okay to watch stuff and just be like, hey, this is, I enjoy this. This feels good. Now I can do whatever. I get, do whatever I got to do, but I enjoyed this, you know, hour or two. Like last night, I saw thousands. of people entertained by Theo Vaughan and his openers and everybody's smiling. And I think that's important for society.

So if, you know, you can do that and what you do and people enjoy following along and it helps them like set, you know, maybe their goal isn't to do 10,000 pull-ups, maybe it's to do 10 pull-ups. That's okay. That's how we all get better, right? Yeah. We all push each other and, you know, kind of feed off each other. And whether that's positive or negative, I guess that's, you know, who you're, you

looking at but for you it's a positive example and that's what you're trying to set and that's you know the type of people you want to connect with yeah it was it quincy hall the 400 meter yeah the 16 year old kid oh oh no the guy who came no it's quincy somebody who who ran the 400 but yeah you're thinking of that guy who came back yeah when they're like and quincy is fading badly right now on the last hundred yeah Quincy wilson is the 16 year old but yeah Quincy hall is a guy you're talking about The 400 meter Olympic gold champion. Yeah. Olympic gold champion.

Olympic champion or Olympic gold medalist? Olympic gold medalist. How about that? But yeah, so he came back from, it was like, it's almost impossible what he did. Yeah. To be hurting that bad and falling behind the last 100 meters of that race. He's really struggling.

Yeah. And he's fading badly now. Fading badly. That's what the announcer says. And then, oh my gosh, he's coming back. He's going to make it. Yeah. And then so he gets.

of gold, people were counting them out in the last 100 meters, I don't know where he went mentally to find that extra gear, but he found it. And I think that, you know, what did he do at the end of the day? He just, he ran around a lap. Yeah, one lap around the track. One lap around the track. But for me personally, I've thought about that dozens of times, just like in everyday life. And it's like, man, if he can like push like that, you know, how much more can I give in this certain task that I'm working on right now. So yeah, I mean, I would hope that I could be like that for someone else. But yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, how do people measure importance of life? Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of jobs out there that if people didn't do them, the world wouldn't stop.

That doesn't mean it's not important. You know what I mean? So there are doctors who save lives. There are people who keep the lights on and the water going and those are all very important. but there's a lot of jobs that serve an important role that aren't like just to survive. And that doesn't mean they're less important. That just means they're important in a different way. Yeah. So 160 under 230,

win last man standing. How are you training for that, by the way? Well, by running. I just did 50 miles over the weekend right before getting. in here but yeah 50 miles i was trying to simulate the race 4.2 miles on the hour every hour and then so uh got to 50 miles that way but yeah just time on the feet yeah getting used to that trying to uh get the bulletproof mindset and then realizing that every single person during that race

is going to feel like death once you get to a certain point and it's just who can who can withstand that the longest who's going to focus that their mindset on the next step rather than how many more laps they have to go. If you can just focus the next step, the next step, the next mile and break it down like that instead of like, how much longer is this race going to go for? I think that's how you win it. It's more mental than anything. Is Chad Wright doing that?

I heard through the grapevine that he was doing it. That'd be awesome. That'd be awesome. He's a badass. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're going to have to get, I'd say you're going to get 120 miles for sure to win. can you do that yeah and there's a lot of hungry people out there well if like do you know who

harvey lewis is he's like king of backyard ultras he did 450 if he shows up not good my in trouble 450 yeah that is nuts that's a lot of days yeah i don't even know how he did that no i don't know how that's possible that is crazy because it's every four hours for 24 hours is 96 miles yeah okay so he did over four days no sleep unless you're getting unless you're finishing your lap so how it works is you got an hour every hour you got to be on the start line if you finish your 4.2 miles and 50 minutes you have 10 minutes if you finish in 59 minutes you got one minute to be back on the line if you finish in 30 minutes which you probably blow yourself out pretty quick so it's not a good idea, but you'd have 30 minutes.

But you have to be on the line every hour. So he was on the line every hour for over four days. Yep. They test for like cocaine or anything like that? I don't know, what the hell. I don't know. That'd be my only hope. Yeah, where was his mindset at?

Theo had a good joke about cocaine or a bunch of them. He had a lot of jokes about him. God, he's funny. I love that show. No, that's another thing that's super mental. I mean, I happen to be funny for an hour straight in front of thousands of people. And you can't stutter one time. You can't be uncomfortable one time.

You know, one time he sat up there and he was just like, okay, so what else? Yeah, but that's what I would be doing every minute. But even then, that's part of his act. No, no, he was not. He didn't know what he's going to say. Right, yeah. He was just part of his delivery. No, I know.

But that's a lot of people, it is so mental. Oh man. I couldn't imagine for an hour straight. Not losing focus. Yeah. That's tough. And there's a lot of variables going on.

There's people yelling that aren't supposed to. People whipping out their phones. He doesn't want that, obviously. People came, you could be thinking about a million different things. Or he even forgot part of a joke that he wanted to tell. He told us after the fact. And it's like, you let that bother you in the moment. Yeah.

And then just being like, wait, wait, hold on, no, there was another part of the joke. No, no, go back. I screwed that up. Yeah. Yeah, no, they can never do that. No. It's so such a, such an art. I mean, that is a real talent.

I can't. I mean, to go and everybody, I guarantee everybody who left there was like, oh, that was awesome. And remember that one part? And remember when he said this? Everybody. Thousands of people, you just made their night. And they talked about it all day today. But he doesn't work.

a regular nine to five job he does yeah it's not really work no does it count no yeah it's uh i don't know life's funny um so peanut gallery do you f***s have anything to ask oh yeah the legend the phenom this is who's speaking here is this larry or gideon gideon okay gideon good to hear from you tritt i'm sure you don't ever watch any of the podcast that i'm on well not even that i'm on Was that a burb? No. Oh, okay. So, James, I actually didn't know.

Have you been a guest on this show before? More than you. What? That's insane. Are you an outlier? Yeah, I could be funny for an hour straight. Yeah. Funny to look at.

Well, no, that was what I, it used to be Instagram with, was 15 seconds when when True at first started. And he'd do his little funny videos. And I would just say, yeah, you're only funny for 15 seconds at a time. More than that, you're screwed. It's more than zero. And now it's up to, you got to be funny for a while. You got to be funny for a long time.

Anyway, go ahead. Sorry. So the peanut gallery has a kind of a recurring segment here. And so we're going to ask you the similar question. It's, F. Mary Kill. Beating your dad at Boston. The pull-up record taking it back from, was it Brandon Garrett, who had 92?

No. Doug Censor Martin. Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay. And then beating Matt Johnson. so wait a second oh you got to give okay yeah you got a merry kill okay okay that's for you and then so yeah oh shoot that's the kill one you don't care about yeah wait is that how yeah yeah you wouldn't care you wouldn't care about giving up the merry one is the most important the

one is one you want to bend over in spake Matt Matt are you're hearing me? I want to spank you. You're not going to bend him over. No, no, theoretically or metaphorically. Oh. So him at Leadville for sure. What? Mary? No. Oh. The other, I don't want to. There's kids listen to this. Coitus. Make love to. Okay. So make love to Matt at Ledville. That doesn't sound right. Sweet, sweet love. Okay. So I'll just say it. that's a beating mad at leadville is a yeah yeah i think you said that right and then i would say probably kill beating you up boston and then marry what beating the pull up record the pull-up record okay yeah yeah i mean you can't give up the pull-up record no married to the game and i would say

kill beating you at boston because that's not going to happen well no it's just it's kind of sad Oh, it is sad. Yeah, it's just, I mean, for somebody as old as me to beat, like, you and your prime, that is sad. No, I wasn't thinking that. I was just thinking that, like, I wouldn't mind if, you know, your daddy look up to your dad all your life. I want to mind if you're still that guy. If I beat you? Yeah, if you're still beating me.

We're all the same. I thought you were going to go the other way. No. Okay. I'm saying that, like, that would still make me feel good. If you were able to outperform me, I'd be, like, good job. Gay. no you got to crush me i got to be some feeble old man that shit his pants halfway like at the half

way way part no i'm sorry that's the that's the kind of guy that i am i just want my dad to perform well how about that okay you have to give me the pep talk like i used to give you guys yep yeah yeah you got to give your all you a little piece of shit yep no i i won't hold back okay do we got any more yeah okay you talked about the uh fastest mile time. You said Tanner had it before with a six, was it 638? 639. 639. You came in at 628. I believe you're leaving out the world's greatest real estate agent somewhere in there. Ooh, Triple Oaks. Eric Umanhofer? Yeah. Geez, I haven't said that name in years. Triple Oaks real estate. Now he, so Tanner had the record for a year and then he got beat by

Eric Umanhofer the next year, 628. I'm pretty sure that we've, we've hashed this that way for, right? I think so. I think Eric probably paid him off to talk about this again. But yes, Eric Umanhofer, 638 is what he got. He beat Tanner by one second. Yep. And then you took the crown. Two years later. Yeah, but you've been training since you're in second grade.

That doesn't count. It doesn't count. We went to Hayward one time. I don't know how old you were and you ran. How long did you run? Yeah, you took. So it ended up getting dark. Yeah.

I was in my all-gold little tank top and shorts, matching shorts. starter, I think. I think I was probably five years old. And I remember just kept running around the track, running around the track. We ended up getting to like 20 laps because I remember you would like, you're like, man, I'm so proud of you. This is good. And I think that was the only time you've ever said that.

Probably. I was lying too. So then, yeah, just every single time I was like, man, this feels good. I'm, you know, doing exactly what my dad wants me to do and feeling good about myself. But we ended up making it like 20 laps. So I think it's five miles for at night for someone who's five years old. Yeah, that felt good. And that was when you could just go to Hayward Field and just go run.

Now they got all locked up. Actually, athletes can't even go and run there right now. Yeah, that was a crazy time to be alive. Yeah, that was fun. So, yeah, we spent a lot of time on that track growing up as kids. Legendary Hayward Field. But yeah. Okay.

We have other questions too for the film. So Truist name is still on the band. at Yolanda Elementary, isn't it? Yeah, in the rafters? Yeah, for the mile. This one I want to ask you on the podcast. You guys have talked about how, you know, you put out these big goals into the world, you speak them.

Connor McGregor once said, if you can see it and have the courage to speak it, it will happen. Do you feel like that's true? Yeah, I think if you take yourself seriously and if you respect yourself, if you say a goal out loud, then you're going to mean it,

and people will know that you mean it. But yeah, I mean, for me, if I'm serious about something, then I'll say it loud and proud. Just like the Sub 2.30 Marathon, that's hard to achieve, but I just want people to know that I'm going to give my absolute all. And if I don't say it,

then I don't really mean it's easy to hide behind something that you don't actually say out loud and verbalize it. So, yeah, if you can actually say it confidently in whether people, however they take it, but if you can say it confidently, trust in your abilities, trust in the plan, then I think you can make it happen no matter who you are.

All it takes is everything that you got. You have to be willing to give everything, but no, I mean, nothing is impossible if you're willing to put in the work no matter who you are. I don't think there's seriously anything special about me, but it's just the fact that I'm willing to put in the work. Got some ability.

I don't. I haven't seen that. Bad genetics. I've seen that. I heard that. Yeah. So what do you think the difference is then? Because some people will say their goal

and they almost get this release of like, oh, I told someone I'm going to do it, and they gave me this praise for having this goal. And then they don't actually accomplish it because their mind kind of tricks them to feeling like they already did it. So where do you draw that line? That's the analogy.

of a lot of times people say they're going to write a book they get the same dopamine and feedback and praise as if they did it already like oh that's great and then that's all they ever do is just say they're going to they never do it so that's kind of what this is is mirroring i think there's a word for those type of people losers dumb fuck no i mean if if you seriously get your rocks off by just saying that you're going to do something and then nothing materializes, that's stupid. Yeah. That's crazy that you would even feel that way. But I'm sure that there are people like that.

Some people might be genuine, then get that feedback and then lose the drive a little bit, and then their momentum's gone. I don't know. Yeah, then you never wanted it in the first place. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of what I would take from it. Yeah, but I mean, like someone like Conrad Greger, he didn't give him

any other options. No, and we're not just, you know, this family isn't just like, I've heard, I mean, I've heard people say some crazy shit and I'm like listening to it going, that's never going to happen. Yeah. But conversely, our family, we don't usually talk out of our ass. If we say, okay, I'm going to do this, it's going to happen. It's like there's not just like these fake little, I want to be celebrated for a little

but I'm going to say this thing. It's like, we're going to happen. It's going to happen. Yeah. It's going to happen. Yeah. If you say it, you should mean it. Okay.

Last one. This one's just for me because I wanted to get it on public record. He bench 230, blah, blah, blah. No, no, no, no, no. I know where he's going to work this. You said something you said to me haunts you every day. You doubted me. do you have to do you have something to say to me james yeah what camera am i speaking to right now

i don't you know what this is about yep okay i voted this is not good james has been harboring this pain for a while in this resentment or not james gideon there was a poll and it asked who we think's going to win this 50k the frozen trail 50k that i ran with Him and Eric this last December, who I thought was going to win between him and Eric, the head-to-head matchup, much like Matt Johnson and me at Leadville. I voted for Eric Umanhofer. Biggest mistake of my life. I didn't realize that he had the knees of an 85-year-old.

You'd think those quads alone would have got him. I think maybe what happened is his quads are so big and strong that they, yeah, his knees malfunctioned. They didn't know what to do with that level of force. But yeah, James absolutely smoked him. And I voted for Eric, obviously, because he had run a marathon previously. James never had. I thought experience would work in Eric's favor.

It did not. James crushed him. And, I mean, I don't want to bad mouth Eric. I don't think he finished in time before the cutoff. Eric, is that right? He didn't even finish the actual course. This would be off the record. Yeah, Erica, except this is live.

He actually came down the main trail of Piscay. And I was sitting in the truck waiting for him in this side-by-side. Someone, a maintenance person, like came down the main trail and drove off. And when he got in the truck, I was like, oh, I thought you had ridden in the maintenance vehicle. He's like, no, no, no. We get like 10 minutes down the road. And he's like, all right, I got to be honest. He's like, I had him drop me off.

He's like, I told the guy, drop me off like 10 yards. up the trail so my friend doesn't see me. Oh, nice. Smart. So, okay, I apologize, James. You made it happen. You're the man. But also, you voted against me between myself and Matt Johnson at the Leadville 100.

So it looks like we're even. Looks like turnabouts, fair play. I was just returning the favor. Yeah, well, understood. I think we can't really mention the Frozen Trail Ultra without giving a shout out to Rodney Williams who got the win ronnie williams congratulations i think that was better man i think that was his first ultra win which he's he's a good runner just uh love rodney been putting in work oh man he let he lets the results speak for themselves yeah he's i mean he uh yeah just a grinder and been working i know

talking with ben a little bit ben blankenship who is a great runner Olympian from around here he coaches people. Big timber running company or running. Yeah, I think it's big timber running. He coaches mostly for the Eugene Marathon, but I've been helping Rodney out with advice. And Rodney's, man, he's a freaking stud. But he got to win that day. That was cool to see. If you weren't going to win, I wanted him to win. Absolutely. Speaking of winning, who do you have for Matt Johnson versus me, Leadville 100? Because you're going to be there actually. You're going to be running it. right am i um i i have a hurt foot yeah remember i can't oh that's a good foot yeah foot is broke okay um but here's what i said because somebody did did we talk about this on the last one

yeah with matt johnson yeah so i just said matt is um i don't know where i said this but i think i said you're a hard person to doubt these days you put in the work you got debility you got everything. Matt is also very dedicated. He's won 100-mile or I think in 19 hours. He's ran 10 miles of 56 minutes, which is flying. So he does have ability, proven to be a good runner, proven to be tough, ran across Texas. So he's a stud. I can't doubt. I think you got such a high ceiling. if you get your your mountain miles in you'll win if you just run on the flat around your little neighborhood with what theo had a good joke about a neighborhood too like he said he didn't know his neighborhood was basically just a bunch of druggies that had sex and kids that's supposedly

neighborhood so your neighbor your neighborhood if you just run around your neighborhood it's going to be rough if you get in the mountains yeah you're going to win that's my addiction. Matt, are you with this? You still there? Matt. Matt. Testing, testing one. Yeah. So, uh, but Matt and Matt's going to be, I heard he was going to be in Leadville for like seven weeks. So, I think it's five. Okay. It's five more weeks and I'm going to be in Leadville. Yeah. But, um, what I would say about that is either you have that dog in you or you don't. Hmm. You know, we're going to find out. I know. Who's going to win? No, me, obviously. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I think that too, you're heart to doubt everything you've been saying you've been getting. I think the next to fall will be that 230 marathon and then hopefully get the win at the last man standing and then beat mad at Leadville.

Yeah, that's not too much. I don't think so. Yeah, no, it's good to have high expectations of yourself. And yeah, it just keeps you motivated, keeps you focused on the task at hand. So that's what I like. I like the pressure. Did you run today? Yep. Good man. Of course. Yeah. Well.

Is that it? That's it. Okay. That's a wrap. Thank you for the podcast. Do you anything you'd like to close with? Shout out to all your peeps. Yeah.

Shout out to my family. Shout out to Alicia. Couldn't have done it without all you guys. Love the support. Believing in me. And yeah, just, I don't know. It's pretty great. having people that love you and support you and everything that you do.

So, yeah, if you don't have that, then you should get it. Yeah, and good luck finding that because, yeah, it's a perfect storm when it happens. But, yeah, they say that your dad is the only one who wants to see you do better than them. That's true. So, yeah, I love seeing you win. I love seeing Tanner win. I love seeing Tanner and kick ass. Yeah, you guys all make me proud.

And, yeah, very honored to be your dad. So, appreciate it up. Thank you. Love you. Keep hammering, y'all. Later, Gideon, Larry.