Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 146 - Sh*t Talkers Weekly 10

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

Join Cam and Gideon (James Williams) for a new Sh*t Talkers Weekly episode! On this episode they cover the Mammoth 200 race, which cereals are the best, struggles during Cam’s Wenaha elk hunt, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00  Sh*t Talkers Weekly Disclaimers 00:04:52  Paul Skenes & the San Diego Pirates 00:23:20  Mammoth 200 Race 00:10:16  Mark Dowdle - Backyard Ultra 00:13:20  The Great Debate: Poptarts, Cereal, and Veggies 00:20:24  Struggles in the Wenaha: No Water and Cramps 00:34:14  A Different Breed of Man: Surround Yourself with Winners 00:37:55  Remembering Ian Stasko and Andrew Porter 00:40:31  Speculations About the Assassination of Charlie Kirk 00:43:07  Photographer Standards 00:46:40  Truck Giveaway: Don’t Spend Your Whole Paycheck 00:47:51  Montana Knife Packout Skinner Re-Launch 00:50:16  Hunting Podcasts 00:57:19  Cigarettes and Whiskey - Industry Reference 00:59:02  Podcasts Cam Listens to 01:06:20  Recap and Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Montana Knife Company: ⁠⁠https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/⁠⁠ Use code CAM for 10% off⁠⁠ ⁠⁠

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Keep hammering. Everybody, but da da da da da da da da da da da shooba with Gideon. This is shit talkers weekly 10. Wah, wah, wah, it's we haven't done one of these in a while.

We're just a little bit, I'm drunk on this coffee, I guess. Well, I have an impression for you. Oh, that's cool. That's a good way to start it off. Yeah, I thought this would be poignant.

Nice, okay. Poignant. Yeah, don't forget the G&T. No poet. No, I'm a... Shit. Are you a medicine, man? Who are you?

Which means this is where my ancestors lived. They brought. the heavens down with the windy ridge and the wetlands. Wait, they hear? Yeah, I hear. Okay. Shit, I thought there's just an old garage that turned into a studio. We need a name for him.

But what I want to say actually is what that really means is, what are we, six, 24? Yep, 24. This is the final week you can enter the truck giveaway. So you must go to Cameron, Haynes. dot come and enter now. I like it. I like it. Thank you, medicine man.

Do you have a name? Medicine man, yeah. That's it? Actually, pharmaceutical man. Yeah, oh, yeah, we got to switch it out. It's more modern with the times. Yeah.

All right. So shit talker. We got any shit. Okay. It's all love, baby. No matter what we say, this is a disclaimer to start. Okay.

We're not responsible for this. shit and you don't take this personal well here's the thing with AI nowadays you don't even know if this is real someone could have just taken our voices right we cannot be held responsible for anything that we say i think the other disclaimer we need to make is that this is the second time we were a little rusty first time yeah but uh for some people for some reason for some people for some reason people love this podcast well no because this podcast is the keep having collective they like shit talkers yeah which is like the ugly stepchild the redheaded stepchild of the keep hammering collective so somehow you know we're like the keep hammering collective is like this uh you know prim proper

straight days badass yeah get up early do the chores shit talkers weekly is just in this kid the fat greasy with chito crumbs all over his chest while he plays video games and red Gums, you know, puffy red gums, that's shit talkers weekly. And their shirts are like kind of stained, living done. Like kind of Livy Dunn had kind of, yeah, pit stains. Which is fine. I'm not going to, you know, I know some people that would enjoy smelling that. Tasting it.

Just like, well, Theo, our dog, he just like little love bites. Like, yeah. That. I mean, there's no way she's got actually B-O. No. I mean, it looked a little yellow, but it's... Probably smells like flowers. It tastes like sugar.

Sugar. Sugar. Honey. Yeah. Honey pot. I used to say, like, when I'd sweat, it was like I was honey-clased. You know, it's like a honey-glazed ham. It's not actually...

Because, you know, I'd get back from running when I had my job and I was just dripping with sweat. I'm like, No, no, no. Of course, the girls would be like, are you going to, are you going to wipe off? No, it's like. Well, the girls now have a spray they put on to make it look like their honey glaze. See? Body oil. I started it.

Yeah. I started that shit. Trendsetter. Yeah. So. Speaking of Livy Dunn. Anyway, we might have to take out just a, just a heads up, Macy, just to get a start, take out the. But speaking of Livy Dunn, Liby Dunn's boyfriend.

fucking an ace. Yeah. 1.97 ERA, 200 plus strikeouts, and the best stat of all, losing record. Yeah. Guys, fucking swing the bat. Holy shit. That's tough. You got the Sy Young Award winner probably.

And I mean, with a big muscular ass, I can just, like, throw that ball a thousand miles. Can we get the bat off the shoulder and get some runs in? The throw is all in that big muscular ass. I know he's huge. His legs are bigger than me. No, you fucked me up.

You fucked me in San Diego when you took pictures. You made it, like you didn't give me any angles. I looked like a child because I am like child size compared to that big mammoth. Am I his same size as Livy? Oh, boy.

God. But yeah, I thought that was ridiculous. I cannot believe he's got a losing record. And the only place you can place the blame is definitely not on him. No, what's he supposed to do? I don't know what I feel. Hey, Paul, could you get that to under one? Does that would be too much to ask?

Or zero? At least we'd tie. We could go to extra innings every game. Yeah. The other thing we got going on currently wrapping up is the Mammoth 200. Oh, my God. Yeah. So Jimmy Eelan, I think.

Eelum. Yep. Oh, man. So many moments I didn't think I was going to. That was awesome. Crushed it. Did 45 hours? I know.

Or was it? Yeah, 4516. Was it? And then did Rachel get second? Yep. Rachel got obviously first woman, but overall second. And then third and then Max is fourth. I don't think he's quite finished yet.

He's getting close. He just finished. Oh, he did? Yeah. Okay. So he's full. fourth. Nice look gassed.

Did he? Yeah. His face was so puffy. When he finished? Yeah. It kind of looks like, I don't know, one of his buddies posted a picture of him like laying off the side of the trail. Did not look good. So I'm sure he ran into some issues out there.

Hey, just a heads up on. Yeah. 12. There you go. 200 milers. Fucking hard. Yeah. It's a lot.

And they're not good for you. So yeah, you're going to get, you're going to have some damage, some residual. But we got our boy, Rodney Williams. He's still chugging away. Yeah, he has, last I checked, he was at 166. So less than 50. I know. I know, 211.

Well, yeah, somehow, Jimmy did 211. Rachel did 214. Cheater. I mean, I did three or four extra at Kocodona. So I don't know if that's just people, I mean, 200 miles. You're not going to. have a ribbon every 10 feet no i mean it's a ways with trail markings and you can get off in the middle of night um so yeah sometimes you do some extra miles or maybe you i wouldn't say it a shortcut

but i mean somebody did more than him yeah oh i don't know must have been just they took the outside line yeah well high on the corner every corner yeah but i was doing i was like you know kind of looking at the people that were in the top maybe 25. There are some badass. I don't want to say old because I clicked on one of them and she was 53 and I was like, whoa, she's old. And then I was like, well. Oh.

Oh, easy. Well, there's another woman further back. She's not the top 25, but she's 67. I'm like, tough. Some of these women are tough. All women are tough. It's like all like natural born women. I can't say that either.

Take that one out two places. Shit. So if Rodney can. I mean, first 200, he's done a couple, maybe one or two hundreds. We're big fans. Yeah. I've been checking in with his wife. Started off pretty rough, cooking for a long time.

Really? Yeah. I think it was elevation. You know, here we're at three or four hundred feet. You're just not getting the 11,000 feet that they're going up to. Yeah. I mean, so sometimes your body, if you're not, I mean, that's not very much oxygen, you know, and that's what I dealt with at Leadville.

It makes it tough. Some people get sick. So apparently he was puking for like the first 32 miles. I mean, that's, that's some grit to puke the first 32. I mean, tough. That would be really easy to walk away from that and be like, I'm just puking. I know. I mean, it sounds crazy to say only 50 left.

And that can take a while. I think it's going to. But I think he's going to get it done. I hope so. Yeah. Yeah, like we were talking about yesterday, it's like hopefully he can kind of smell the barn now. Yeah. Once you get to that, I mean, those long, long ones, when you're under 100 and you're just in like two digits, feels a lot better.

But God, it's a long way still. Yeah. And then the other race that kind of happened recently, and I really like this guy, Mark Dowdell. Yeah. He seems like a beast. He's a stud. He's young. He's tough.

These FKTs, he just crushes. Backyard Ultra. The 264. No, shit, not FJ. I'm thinking of Jeff Garmeyer, who set the FKT, unsupported, I think going south on the AT. Oh, just recently? Yeah, he's like 40-some days. Oh, wow.

Yeah, I don't know what. He got it, whatever it was, unsupported for like 45 days, 2,000-some miles. Because when we were in Kokadona, he did the film, right? He did. He's the different guy. Jeff Garmire, he's the one who said I was a Taylor Swift of Ultramers. I was on his podcast. Oh, okay, yeah.

Oh, yeah. He went to school with Cord, Tanner's buddy, who he hunted with. So they went to Oregon State. So Jeff Garmeyer's from here. Yeah, just smart, funny guy, but crush that FKT on the AT, Appalachian Trail. And then marked out, although one another backyard Ultra. So we're kind of talking about two different people, but both badass. It's all there is to it.

Rachel Intrican. I mean, God, she is on one, dude. No shit. Overall, you know,

I mean, not the overall, but first overall woman. And I think she's won, like, I don't even know how many of her, the last eight, 10.

I don't know. Every race she's in, she's went, she went. I mean, she's only an hour and, what, 45?

Yeah. No, less. Hour and 35 behind Jimmy. That's cruising. Yeah. That trail must have been runable. I was going to say,

Do you know what the elevation was, the gain? I thought it was 30-some. I mean, it's legit, but I saw a clip of like on a gravel road, which I thought that most the race was single track. And if it's technical single track, you're just not going fast. If you're on a road, yeah, that's how they got in the 40s, I think. I don't know.

I'm just guessing. But it's amazing performance. Yeah, last night I was kind of checking with the leader, Jimmy, and I was like, he's going to finish. well within 48, which is insane to me. I know. I can't imagine that. Yeah.

There's some freaks out there, dude. Yeah. Someone else kind of, I know we had talked about it yesterday that I had brought up, but is this guy named Clyne. I think he's how you say his last name. He's going to race his first hundred here in, I think, five weeks or so. But he's also kind of up and coming. I know True, it follows him, but also just a stud.

I think I've seen that guy. Yeah, he's shredded. Is he? Oh, he's jacked. Yeah. So hopefully it does well, but it's kind of like you guys say, you don't really know until you step up to that start line. Thing is, being shredded actually doesn't mean shit. No.

So, I mean, I'm sort of shredded right now because I've been starving for a month. But I'm definitely making up for it. God, still eating Pop-Tarts. You know, Pop-Tarts are good when you're getting like 400 calories a day. when you're getting 10,000 and then also Pop-Tarts not good. Not so much. So I'm going to be a fat fuck here incoming. Well, I think the nutritional value, they have a lot of protein, you know.

They do. And no processed sugar. No. We wouldn't touch this stuff. And I mean that obviously 100% real blueberry. Booberries. That reminds me I actually love booberry cereal. I could eat a whole box of that shit.

I could eat a whole box of that and fruity pebbles probably. I'm more of a Cocoa Puffs kind of guy. But the fruity pebbles, like, you'd eat it and it'd just, like, coat your mouth with, what was that? I don't know. It was like, felt like film. When I'm glassing ridges for elk or mule deer, I can't afford to miss any movement. That's why for the past two seasons, I've been using six-hour binos, and I absolutely love them.

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Yeah, you don't let that milk soak into that a little bit. You're basically chewing on razor blades. Or sharp rocks or something. You will... But, so, the Captain Crunch with Crunchberries, pretty nice. You still have to let it soak in, though. And then they got tricky with the peanut butter, Captain Crunch.

Oh, yeah. Which, uh, hit or miss. Uh, Fruity Pebbles, Lucky Charms. Captain Crunch, if you got your mouth in shape.

If you got it, callus down. You've been training. Callus mouth. And then remember if mom, I mean, would bring home fucking Cheerios? What the fucking Cheerios?

That's like, what you give to your dog. Like dogs don't know shit, right? They eat the same thing every day. And they're like, oh yeah, I'll eat a Cheerio. But a kid, you see that gay yellow box? And it's a king-sized one. Oh, you have a famous.

It's huge. Whereas a fruity pebble box is like the size of this phone. I always liked it. My dad's having rice checks, no flavor, with water. I do water. That is criminal. No milk is crazy. Dude, lactose intolerant.

Do you want to shit your pants? Yeah. It's a price you have to pay, I guess, right? I've tried it since then. Cereal's water and it's not so bad. But when I was a kid, I vividly remember taking a bite and gagging, which seems dramatic. That was for me with green beans like the creamy, the creamy green beans. Holy shit, dude.

In the can? Oh, but not just a dry, like, because green beans can be okay. You start putting whatever that fucking, it was like cum, I think. I don't know what it was. I hate green beans with cum. The creamy green beans is like, I'm good. Okay? Just go ahead.

Don't pass the green beans. They can go on the other side. Oh, you're going to eat your vet. Remember you had to eat your vegetables. God. I remember this one time my mom. made sweet potatoes and I hated them. Why would anybody do that?

I remember tears streaming cheese eating sweet potato. That's traumatic. I mean, what's wrong with a regular potato? For God's sake. What are we doing? Orange and tastes weird. What are we doing?

Oh, man. Yeah, it's like the same thing with like yams and fucking cranberry bullshit. at like the cranberry stuff that's still in the shape of the can that's like you just put on the table it's like whoever eats that I don't know what I want to know is you know your kids not going to like it and you know it's going to cause some big thing is this this seems like child endangerment and I want my reparations we do we get we should get money for that I mean to have to live through that traumatic it's the third hardest thing I've ever done was

finished that sweet potato definitely way worse is Probably cut that part out. If we're talking reparations, then I got to have, well, you know what I need it for? And I wasn't even a kid. But I worked, you know, over at Springfield Detailty Board. The director said, hey, we want to have you and your wife over for dinner. He lives right over here on Mansfield. And I'm like, oh, cool.

I'm kind of a hippie, but it should be fine. There's a bunch of pineapples everywhere. Fucking Kish. Do you know what Kish is? Do you have you ever eaten it willingly? Like egg keesh? Yeah, just like onions and spinach and just dog shit. I don't even know what's in it, but I didn't take one.

I took it went in my mouth. I never chewed. So it was just like in that then whatever the hell I drank, probably goat milk or some fucking thing. Oh, that was kind of like the salad you had to eat the other night at the. Did I have salad? At the ranch we stopped at on the way back from Winnihan. Oh, yeah.

Did they have salad? Yeah. Well, I didn't have any. No. He put it down. Oh, I'm not eating salad. You made it look like. You kind of did the classic

where you kind of spread it out to make it look like you ate it. Salad. Yeah. Get that shit away from me. Oh, yeah, that was good. That's, I think, we're not talking shit about, but our mistake there was we got McDonald's before.

Yeah, but that was just, like an appetizer. I mean, when you've been in the mountains for, you know, months, like, what were we,

we were in there for, what, two months? Uh, two and a half. Or four days. But anyway, seems like a long time.

Thinking about McDonald's, well, mostly thinking about, can I have something to fucking drink? Holy shit, Wayne. Herd bull. Is there,

is there any water in these mountains? Is that, what am I supposed to say? And I, I said, I go, you know, you know,

you know who screwed up? God. Designing us to need water. Why can't we drink dirt? I mean, if it was just like, all you need to survive is dirt, I'd be like, okay, we got it. We're good to go. But water, when it's so dry, it's like, that was miserable. I mean, or we could have some kind of water storage like a camel, maybe in our nuts. Yeah. Then I could just be like, hey, you want to sit up? And then just squeeze your nuts. And then it just shoots out, I guess, into your mouth.

I don't know. I'm not really sure how it works. But, I mean, we can, we can workshop it. We can design that. Yeah. Speaking of Woonaha, or say it. Winaha. Okay, thank you.

Speaking of Winaha, I looked for a white shirt. today to write your new slogan. Oh, yeah. I guess I don't have a plain white shirt. Every shirt I have has a bunch of stupid shit on it. Lift, run, shoot. Keep crammering. It's like, can I just get a plain white shirt so I can write I'm, which was the theme of

your Winnihaw trip. My Winnihaw experience. Yeah, how was that? Well, I think that does a great job of describing how it was. That's the name of the film. I'm fucking film. Yeah, my film. Yeah, started off a little rough, didn't it?

Yeah, it did. I guess we should take them back to the beginning, which would be three weeks prior, you took a solo trip in there. I did. And called me on your way out and said, you better be training. You're going to get your shit pushed in.

It's going to be like prison, basically. And so I said, Roger that, and immediately went and jumped in the pool. Perfect. preparation for a place with no water as we just discussed. You definitely want to be able to swim up the trail. Well, I thought, you know, worst

case scenario, I could just swim uphill, you know? Yeah. I mean, breaststroke, something. Yeah. And had there been water, you know, I'd have been fine. Oh, I know. That was, that's what actually screwed you. Yeah. Is where's the water? Yeah. That's not your fault. It's just

the conditions weren't set up for your strengths. I think I downloaded the wrong on-X map. You had it in the middle of the Pacific? It had, you know, the plio scene when there was an ocean there. Oh, right. So water levels. Back in the day.

Back in the day, yeah. So anyways, on top of swimming, I also decided to be best if I got to the heaviest I've ever been in my life. So I ate 4,500 calories a day. Got up to like 203. Smart. And I was ready to go. Because Wayne weighs like 130. Yeah.

I weigh maybe 140. And Tanner's like 170. Yeah. And then you 30 more pounds. That's what you need. Yeah. So I thought, you know, someone's got to carry it. Has to be the heaviest.

That makes perfect sense. Also be a great shirt is the weakest link. Well, here's what I'm going to say. I mean, no spoiler alert. Yeah, no spoiler alert. So Tanner's pod comes out tomorrow, which is cool. when we talk about this hunt. But you did get kind of bent over the first day or so.

But you responded. And I said, I said, if you make it through this thing, the problem was it was a nine-day hunt. Yeah. We didn't know I was going to kill on day three. Right. So you were like, that's why you came up the first morning after a few hours, after we waited for like, and I'm like,

looking at Tanner, going, uh, where the fuck James? So Tanner's like back there. I'm like, God, dang it. And so once you finally made it up there, I said, I don't know what I said, but I said, I can't remember what point I was going to make now. But if you make it through this, you're going to be tough by the end of it. Yeah, I think right there you said just try and make it to the top. Yeah.

It's just baby steps. Yeah. Yeah. So we drop down, get to the bottom. Wayne's like there's not going to be any water for six days. So fill up your water. Yeah. actually 100% truthfully,

this was in the morning on Saturday. And he said, we won't get to water till tomorrow night. And here's what I took. Oh, I think, I don't know where it is, but I had a gatoradeade bottle,

basically. It was exactly the same size as a gittery. That's all I had, because I forgot everything. I had a hot, like, thin Sitka shirt I was going to wear because it was going to be hot as hell. I had all this shit.

the water bottles the I don't even know what else or extra water bottles food food um forgot all that yeah and so I had one water bottle he's like fill up everything I'm like well done take long this I'm just gonna take this coffee cup right here yeah a half full of water so to to have a Gatorade bottle when you're sweating your balls off it's 90 degrees you got all your shit on you got 10 days worth of food pack we were loaded down dude and climbing thousands of feet out of the bottom and this isn't a groom trail there is no trail there might have been a trail back when wahu dutja was no poet away was there but it's been a while yeah since there's been a trail so basically fighting things just sweating your ass off and you're like so wait what did you

say about the water thing? And tomorrow night. That was rough. Yeah. And it was. It was hot as balls. And we still have all the climb to do. I'm like, we get, I don't know, were we even halfway up at that point?

Maybe right about. When you were done? When I quit? Well, no. I will say, you never quit. I got airlifted out. We were thinking about, I was thinking you're going to, Wayne had this little in-reach like what's that called when you get you push a button oh yeah sOS i thought you were going to like

sneak up there and hit that yeah no so nobody knew it all of a sudden there's a helicopter over like what are they doing here that's what's what you said when i got up there you were like well you could go back to the truck but you won't make it you look back and they're like that's way worse yeah so i'm sweating like a fat kid in a candy shop or uh what did you say a Pig stuck under a fence. Three birds and a stones. Oh, yeah, an ass kicking contest in a rocking chair cat with a tail something. Tucked between his legs.

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm trying to conserve water. It wasn't going great. In fact, I actually sucked it all down. Well, so, okay. That night when you needed calories to recover, you were too scared to use your water to make a peak or a mountain house. Here's the predicament I was in.

I didn't want to have a mountain house and use my water, have no water left. And I didn't really want to have too many snacks because they were salty. And it would dry my mouth. My mouth, I didn't, I've never, I didn't tell you this. But when I had those almonds, it tore my mouth up. What fucking bad because it was so salty. What almonds? I had almonds in my salted almonds.

Yeah. Okay. But I mean, they were sore still, my mouth still sore yesterday. So I had like 10 of them. And I was like, all right. I'm done with these. And then Wayne the Herd Bowl saved my life. He did.

Brought me a cup of water. Yeah. And it was like it was a coffee cup of water. It was. And I drank it like a middle schooler. Two hands. Streams coming down my chin. No, I wouldn't waste it.

No, that was if I did drink and actually some water came out of my mouth down the side of it. And I was like, that was a mistake. I'm going to need that. Can't be wasting it. I'm going to need that later. Yeah, I would have cried if I was hydrated enough. Oh, yeah. Just no tear crying.

But anyway, so when I made it up to you guys, my legs are all cramped up. You guys are waiting on me and I look up at you and all I could say was, I'm fucked, I'm fucked. Yeah. It was a little more delivery was a little more like delayed in between. It was like, well, and you're like, look at my leg. Look at my leg. Look at my leg. And I was just like,

why the fuck do I care about your leg? But the point was, your leg was cramping. And you could see it locking up. And I was just thinking to myself, so there's three weeks of training. What did we do during this time? But no, I mean,

you did respond, which, I mean, I think a lot of people would have quit because the writing on the wall wasn't, wasn't it wasn't going to be a good story i mean that was the first morning we had as i said nine days and you were already like locking up um but again we went out the i think we went out the next

morning you made it up to where we camped and that was fine wayne gave you the water saved your life we got up and i said hey you can sit this shift out just chill at the camp so we did like a i don't know what i think it was like eight eight or nine or ten i can't remember how many miles but we went way the f*** down and surprised no elk because it's the sahara desert but couple camels out there so we got out of there made our way and then picked you back up got loaded up and then we had i mean this is how serious it was so there's a spring and we're like how far is this spring Wayne, you know, the herd bull, he doesn't give a fuck about water, but he's like, I don't know, three and a half, four and a half miles.

It's like, God, can we, how much far? So then Tanner he got on his on accident. He's like, I think it's 2.67. And we were like, you know, where are we at now? How much further? But that was an easy trail on top. But still, we had to go almost three miles, got to the spring. And the problem is it was so dry up there this year that the on X or your maps said spring and dust.

That's why I say, why can't we just drink that dirt? That would be a lot better design. So some of the springs were dry, but the one we went to had water. We ate a lot, drank a lot, refueled. it was all good, went after that went and saw the bowl that, uh, it's, I'm pretty sure 100% or not 100% 99% sure. It's a bowl that I ended up killing, but he was down in the bottom. So we glassed him that night and had a plan for the morning. Yeah. And huge shout out to Tanner because he stepped up to the plate and filmed when I couldn't because my pussy hurt too bad. Yeah.

So without him, that would have been, I'm really be. Now it worked out. perfect. He's tough as hell. I mean, you're, you're definitely better on the camera, but definitely better on, uh, oh, not film, oh, filmmaking for sure, but probably just camera operation. But if you're not there, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what you're good at. Right. So Tanner, you're better, but he was, I was just like, you know what? Okay, I'm going to, let's do this in shifts. I can't have you go on every stock because we did one. on that next morning, I was fucking long. Yeah.

And hot. But you did fine. Yeah. But I'm like, then we had that other bowl was up on the other side all the way back to end to the bottom, all the way back up to the top. And I was just like, now this could be a problem. So I said, Tanner, once you take this one, James, you stayed with Wayne there. And it worked fine.

But, yeah, I was just kind of adjusting on the fly. It's big, rugged, nasty country. and there's a reason why there's hardly any backcountry bow hunting films. Yeah, I mean, hard. It was definitely way harder than any of the 50Ks I've run, at least on my legs for sure. I mean, not even close.

Yeah. I mean, you're not in as much pain, but just, you know, that the elevation is serious. It's relentless. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's, and it's thick. It's not, like I said, it's hardly any trails. Yeah.

And you, you know, trying to be quiet and, not an idiot which no it's we got through it we just I think sometimes um

on hunts like that it's not going to go perfect you are going to have to there's going to be adjustments yeah so we had them we just had made it work yeah people you know commenting like

oh you crush these photos and I'm like no no you have you have no idea no you crush your photos I got speaking of that redheaded stepchild I got spank like a red-headed stuff she held.

Yeah. Now, you, I mean, your photos are amazing. Every photo I put up, everybody's just like, you know, props to you or the cameraman, whatever they say. I mean, they're fucking, that, that kill shot of my bowl, it's, the difference is, it's like with your camera and your lens and, you know, your ability to manipulate shit, it's like, you can zoom in like on my, even as dark and like on my neck. and it's just detail where a phone won't do that. So you can still get a decent photo with a phone,

not like the photos you got. And Instagram doesn't like probably do it justice, but they're a freaking badass, dude. So, I mean, if nothing else, I'm thankful for that. I did want to also say, you know, we talked about this the first time we recorded, but just kind of thinking more about it, which was, you know, doing something like that

and feeling like a failure or like I was unprepared or like a pussy in the presence of you and Tanner and the guys who came and helped and weighing the herd bulls like yeah it sucks and when when you are the weakest link it it sucks it's a blow to the ego for sure but at the end of the day would you rather be around people that you're better than no no that's not how you grow at all no no it's you're not going to learn anything from that it's not fun in the moment but it's It's good in the long run. Yeah, definitely.

Because if you're never around guys like that, how do you know that? I've talked about this too when I talked about Roy and Bart Shiler and Paul Schaefer's like, there's a different breed of man. If you're never around that different breed, you don't know. Yeah. You think, oh, I'm a fucking badass. Yeah. You sure about that? You sure about that?

So it's good because even those kids that, I mean, they're not kids. they're young men, but they came in Calhallaide, Eric van der Hoosan, what's his name? Vander Zanden. Van der Zanden? Then we got Keith. Walden. Yeah, Walden.

And I still don't know Ryan's last name. No. Did we ever find that out? No. But anyway, when those guys came in, it's fucking game on. And it's cool to see like young men that are so capable, so tough. amazing attitudes. And to me, that's like, I loved it.

You know, it reminded me of me and Roy when we were young and Wayne when we used to do this Steens back in the day. And, you know, 35 years ago, that's what those guys reminded me of. And it was cool to see. Yeah. I mean, it was, like you said, it sucks in the moment. But looking back on it, I definitely feel tougher for it, but also just thankful that I got to be a part of it, you know, no matter how hard it was.

So I'm super thankful you were there. Yeah, because it's, I mean, we're in this for the long run. It's like one hunt, people get their ass kicked. But it's just like, okay, how are you going to respond? Because if you haven't, and I asked you, I said, have you done? Because we've, I mean, I do my hunts. There's some rugged country. It's not a, they're not backpack hunts.

So I asked before, I said, have you done like a, a real backpack, like a week on your back or a week of food on your back? And I didn't know if you had, and I can't. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just different. Yeah. Dude, it's just different. I mean, I did hunt-wise, I think five days off the back with buddy and rifle,

but it wasn't, the mileage wasn't the same and it wasn't as up and down. And that was super, it was actually fun. We had like a super thick four season tent. We split up. It was heavy. And we're only doing four or five miles a day, though. Right. But, yeah, a little bit different than that.

Yeah, because I mean, the, I think it was a second day we did like 13 or 14. And this is like, there's no easy miles on this shit. Yeah. I mean, that second day, you know, I took obviously that morning off. I still did seven looking at my thing. Yeah. So we did like eight, nine or ten in the morning. Then we did then whatever picked you up, did seven more.

And in that country, just legit. Yeah. Those are real miles. Yeah, definitely. Um, but, uh, other than that, I, you know, obviously want to mention the, the two kids who were also kind of a part of the brother ship of hunting and, and enjoying that, but they passed away from the, the lightning strike. Yeah, man, that was, that was really hard to, it was just like so much shit going on

between Charlie Kirk, uh, the blonde girl on the train. Um, they got murdered. And then those, you know, the two young bow hunters, 25 years old, um, And, you know, one of them's fiancé was sending me messages because he was a fan, she said. And he wanted to get his first bull elk. And, you know, they got struck by lightning. We didn't know what happened. They were missing. So putting stuff out to like if anybody's seeing them, here's the last pings on their phone type thing or their in reach, whatever it was.

Bridget Murphy was a fiancé of one of the young bohunters, 25 years old. They're deep in Colorado wilderness trying to kill a bull elk. and ended up getting either the tree they were sitting under. Something happened. They got struck by lightning and Andrew Porter and Ian Sasco both died. And it was terrible. And I just think about, I looked at the pictures of like Bridget Murphy and, you know,

they had their whole life ahead of them getting married. I can't remember what the date was, but it was coming up soon. And, you know, they'd been out hunting together. they'd just love so much love when you're that young and you find somebody you're going to marry it's a big deal yeah and then to have that person you know i don't want to i don't know if i'm to say taken but you know just get get struck down like that it's it's terrible yeah i can't i can't imagine i mean it's definitely something you're not expecting at that age you know no no it was

It was pretty sad. I was hoping that they were just, their phones went dead or something. You know, there's reports that their stuff was still in their car. So we're thinking maybe they went after a bull elk. And maybe they just got caught in the weather and, you know, and shit happens out there. I mean, weather hits the mountains hard. And people were trying to, like, criticize these guys or everybody's got some opinion, like saying they weren't. It's like, it wasn't even that.

They were, they were prepared. They'd hunted the crazy mountains last year for an extended period. for elk tough kids they've been out there they're very capable it was just a freak accident it was just that lightning so yeah kind of kind of wild but you know it was a crazy couple of weeks you also mentioned you know obviously the girl on the train but charlie kirk too and it was terrible obviously super sad and uh i mean in my recent memory someone who had that much influence or following that you know let alone being assassinated but dying you know had a huge impact obviously on a lot of people so um but in that same breath it has completely opened my eyes to a little bit of tinfoil hatting

i don't know what the hell's going on but the thing is like with somebody of charlie kirk's stature being assassinated it it's like i don't know you know he wasn't the president he wasn't MLK. But he's very influential. And I mean, a lot of people knew him, relied on his message, was educated by him. And, you know, just like, you know, a very influential figure like JFK, like MLK. And so it's, I think this is kind of what you're mentioning. I don't remember somebody of that stature being murdered. Yeah. That I, that I can recall. I mean, I don't know. It just doesn't, that doesn't happen.

Yeah. And, you know, all I'm saying and doing is recognizing a pattern. And I'm not going to say what that pattern is. People will know. I'm not saying anything. But if I were to and I were. I'd be like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah, I would be like, who's calling the shots here?

Who's calling the shots? Who really is the president? You know, who's following the money. I wouldn't say that. You know, don't follow the money. Don't do any of that. but if you were to, it might shed some light. I wouldn't even pay attention to the kid getting off the roof,

didn't have a gun, and then it was a dairy queen and five minutes later with different clothes on. And then back in the other. I wouldn't even mention that. Because that makes perfect sense. I definitely wouldn't listen to Discord saying that they have no history of the messages being sent in their servers, you know? And then all of a sudden there's 20 people involved in this.

Yeah. I wouldn't look at that or mention that. I wouldn't even that. I mean, people are just crazy to think that that has anything to do so. Yeah, I wouldn't go listen to Candace Owens. No, no, no, no. I wouldn't. Yeah, I would just trust the media.

Yeah, I would too. Yeah. And I would also trust who owns the media. Oh, both sides. Israel. Anyways, we got a little more shit to talk. Okay. I got something that really pissed me off.

Well, it doesn't piss me off, but I'm going to catch so much. for this. Okay. This might be a hot day. This is, hey, all love. Yeah, this is all love. I hate when people call themselves a photographer and you go to their page and it's just photos of their stupid little fucking children. Oh. Okay. Yeah. I mean, what is it, what's the barrier of entry to be a photographer? Own a camera. Or a phone. Yeah. So everybody. Hey, guess what I am? Yeah, I know. So what did something? I just got followed by some people that I was like, oh, photographer. And then I'm like, this isn't, no, you're not count. Yeah. I don't know. But I'm also a stickler of people being like, unless you're really in something identifying and putting your whole identity into that thing. It's like you can say you're a bow hunter because that is your life. Yeah. you took a camera to a family barbecue. Yeah.

And you took shitty photos. That doesn't make you a bow hunter or a photographer. No. Anyways. Yeah, okay. Well, sometimes people do that because they want people to say like how good they are at what they do. Yeah. Is that what?

That's what it seemed like. So I went ahead and left a bunch of comments that he sucked. No, but is that why you're brief? So you want me to say how good you do? Oh, no. I hate that. I hate compliments. Oh, so you're Tanner.

Yeah. My girlfriend gets mad at me all the time because I won't accept compliments. Because I'm like, you're just saying that because you're obligated to. Yeah, she has to. She has to be nice. It's like if you really wanted to compliment me, you would tear me down first. I think so. Because then I could trust you.

Yeah, because then it would be constructive. Yes. I can get better. There we go. Yeah. So you're saying. So if she's giving you compliment, she's saying your tip of the. here right now. You can't get any better. You are so amazing. It's like the people complimenting the

Winaha photos. I'm like, what are you guys looking at that this is the best thing you've ever seen? Well, the photo. Well, I know, but it's like, what do you like, you're obviously not seeing anything better, which you should be because they're not the best thing ever. They're pretty good. I don't know. I'm like, okay, yeah, sure. In the hunting space, they're decent. I can, I can get behind that, but you guys should go look at a real deal photographer. It's like me saying, for hunting, I'm a good runner. For running, I'm not a good runner. Yeah, but it's like you can't move the parameters to make your,

you are. No, but you do the same thing. You move the parameters to make yourself work harder. Yeah. Yeah, against runners, I'm trash. I suck. I'm not a big. So I'm going to move the parameters so I work harder.

Okay. Against real photographers, I suck. Yeah, all right. Bingo. Okay. Done. Like who? like Jimmy Chin or what's that name?

Jimmy Chin. Yeah. Yeah. He's good. He's really good. Yeah. Johnny Sins, he's a great photographer. He's a great actor.

And doctor. And like paramedic and like handyman, stepdad, freaking stepbrother. Can we get that guy a Nobel Prize? How could he be so good at so much shit? I don't know. Hell of a man. He is. The other thing I saw today that made me laugh was someone spending their entire paycheck

to win the truck. Man. People get, I mean, I get the sentiment because, I mean, I know, I talked to, who did I talk to today? Somebody else said they need to win it because they're a piece of shit. And I'm like, oh, is it church? And I'm like, I hope you do win. I want you to win it.

And so I get that part, but don't spend your whole paycheck on it. So I just, I will tell people, please don't. Yeah. Please don't. Just buy one. Then it becomes kind of like gambling. It is. Well, the lottery laws control it.

So it's fucking gambling. I mean, you're spending money. You have a chance. The more money you spend, the greater chance you have. But I don't even know how many, I mean, it's thousands of people. So it's not like guaranteed. I don't want you to spend, you know, a thousand bucks on stuff and then just have a bunch of. You could spend a hundred grand on it and it wouldn't be guaranteed.

No. You'd have a bunch of, you know, keep hammering. merch would be cool. Buy out the store. But you might be broke. Yeah. The other thing is kind of along those lines, but that, the new drop of the Packout Skinner is dropping on Thursday. Oh, is it?

Yeah. So if people want to get one, you know, they sell out in 30 seconds, whatever it is. Yeah. Well, hopefully they're sharper than what you gave me on my bowl. Tanner. Well, is that Tanner? Yeah. Yeah, because then yours was sharp.

I think his has done a, somebody has done a few bulls this year. It was, yeah, it was like trying to, I mean, break that bull down with this coffee cut. It's like, yeah, that's when you told us you did a whole, a whole moose with a broadhead. Broadhead, yeah. Well, no, we just gutted it. Oh. But, and that was, that was with Roy. So Roy could have just done it with his hands.

It doesn't really even count. Yeah. But no, we didn't take a moose. We didn't take a knife. We killed a moose. killed it with my bow um realized we didn't have a knife so i can't remember what broadhead it seems like god it could have been a uh what was that uh g5 montec oh yeah couldn't been one of a montec maybe and we just kind of used one blade of it but it seems like we'd had a three blade replaceable and we took out two

blades and just had the ones oh those the g5 striker maybe it's like the montec but removable maybe maybe I can't remember if that's what it was because it was in 2007. So it's been a minute. But anyway, we gotted that moose at night with a broadhead. And, yeah, so it wasn't that bad. But not great. A sharp knife is good. So get your pack out skinner because those are actually, the thing is, it's like I killed,

I killed bowls and bucks and I used pretty much the same knife on all of them. They do hold an edge. But no knife stays sharp forever. Especially when you're trying to get, you know, bottom jaws off and cutting heads off and off the carcass, you know. It's like getting that, whittling that thing in there, breaking, who knows how much of the knife tip off. Yeah. Yeah, so get that, go into the truck. You can win the truck that had your rack on the top of the camper, strapped down.

And that's kind of it. Oh. Might have to put this in earlier. if you can find a spot. But it was, I need a cigarette was my prompt. Oh, God.

And that reminds me, okay, so that reminds me of the hunting industry, which reminds me of podcast, which reminds me of how shitty every fucking podcast in the hunting industry is. Unless,

I just don't know about the good ones. Because the ones I listen to, I mean, some of them are good, but some of them, I mean, you get the, like,

There's a few things I remember. One host said, if you shoot an arrow with four veins, you're a fucking idiot. I do remember that. It was a crazy hot take. And I remember thinking, do you ever fucking kill anything?

Or do you just have this big opinion on stupid shit? Because most people would say, oh, three veins, four veins, whatever, four flesh, whatever you want to call it? but more control. It controls your broadhead better with four. I had pretty good performance this year,

and I have for you. I've been shooting four for a number of years. And it seems like it's working. It seems like it. You know, who knows? Not saying three wouldn't work, but I'm about, so my setup is built for forgiveness. And I shoot a bow with a taller brace height.

I like the longer bow. I like a heavier arrow, and I like better steering on the arrow, so I have four-fledch. If you can't fucking figure that out where you have to sound like a fucking retard when you're talking about it, then maybe you're just an idiot. What was his reasoning? Does this louder? I don't know. I didn't even listen.

A little more surface area. I think wind. I don't know. I don't even know. But I think Easton did this arrow testing thing, which I don't give a f***. The arrows I use are the same. same arrows that they've used for every gold medal winner since 1996 in the Olympics.

Then I'm going to, so it's the best shaft. I shoot a good head. I steer it with forefetch. And it performs. And you kill shit. And I kill, yeah, pretty consistent. So what the fuck are you talking about? What the fuck?

Does everybody have to shoot the same shit? Your stupid fucking Kmart shamp. and that aren't Easton for some reason. People like, you know, I get that people like, you know, you kind of, if the crowd's going this way, you want to go this way sometimes. I get that. That's fine. But anyway, probably harmless.

I did notice that comment. And it did remind me of that I hate podcast. Yeah. So then, as you know, we drive around all over the West all September. And you have to listen to a bunch of shows. shitty podcast. So here I am. Maybe my podcast sucks. Maybe I suck. Maybe I'm worse than all these. But all I know is the best one that I found that entertains me is the Earn Your Hunt, Jake Downs, who does talk shit about me, which I don't care. It's all love. I don't care. It's just like even

Rinella the other day talking shit about me or no, yeah, obviously talking shit about me, but talking shit about, God, what's her name? Oh, the girl. Yeah. Lydia. Lydia. And I just said, take this post down to this girl. You're fucking picking on a girl. Just put up another one of me, talk shit about me. It's all, I don't give a fuck. If people want to talk, I just notice. Yeah. If somebody says something that like with the forefletch, I'm going to catalog that.

Yeah. But I don't care. I don't take any of the shit personal. What I take personal is how I perform on the. hunt if I make a good shot if we can get the animal killed all this other stuff I don't give a about I want to be entertained though I want to listen to a good interesting podcast and I don't know if it's just like we've been so distracted with elk season coming up that people can't really just get into their podcast so they're just fucking terrible right now but god they're terrible I think people have a problem of like got to do another one and it's like and I get it to a certain extent, but I'm a quality over quantity guy.

Yeah. And if you got nothing to talk about. I mean, do the sponsors, are they paying for this shit? They must be. Because that's what it is. It's like, even me, they're say, you know, I say I'm going to do, I think, four a month, one a week. I haven't done any of a fucking month.

I'm not going to put out, I was hunting. I'm not going to put out some shit that people listen to and be like, God, this guy sucks. Right. So why would a sponsor want that? but that being said now we're going to have a couple come out because we have things to talk about over that month and it's we got this does suck i don't know but probably but we got tanners is going to be great yep we got this one which is not going to be great but whatever for some reason and then we got

the recap we're going to talk about and those will be they're pertinent they're new they're fresh and so i don't know what's i don't know what's going on and people did say send me ideas. So guys, just so you know, I couldn't be any more West Coast. I don't give a fuck about winter wheat, white tail, bullshit crops. So if you're sending me an idea to listen to a podcast that talks about that shit, save it. That's what we're talking about. Because I don't care. I don't, I do not, I hunt white tail. I love bow hunting and everything. I don't give a about planting shit and I don't even know what they do. And I'm sure, to be fair, I'm sure there's people that love those podcasts.

Oh, yeah. I'm guaranteed. I'm just saying I don't. No. So don't send me the ideas for those. Yeah, there's some that I listen to, really nice guys, great guys. I just don't, I think that hunters are just so used to being out by themselves. And sometimes you're out, when you're out, you know, you have these thoughts in your head.

you're just kind of you're not really talking i mean there's i've been on hunts where i haven't talked in 10 days not one word and so maybe like hunters just aren't the greatest conversationalists maybe that's it could be because we're just so used to you know it's kind of an individual thing you're being in the mountains or in a tree stand and you're just not developing those those skills i don't know i mean and again guys i i'm not saying I'm good. I'm saying I get frustrated because you also suck. We all suck. I don't want you to. I want you to be better. I want to be entertained. Can I be entertained? So you talk about the cigarette, right? Is that the prompt? So this is an industry reference. Heads up. If you're a pro. Right. Check.

maybe don't drink cigarettes or don't smoke cigarettes and drink whiskey at night of your hunt okay yeah might help is that what would you say was that good advice you know i i think you could do it you know celebratory yeah and maybe you are celebrating every night yeah i don't i like to celebrate my failures too I think that's called drowning, drowning your sorrows. Maybe it's that. And it's like, again, I'm not perfect. I fuck up all the time.

I just try on a hunt not to sabotage myself. I'm never going to drink on a hunt. I'm never going to smoke on a hunt. It's just all I care about is being the very best I can be. So when I, when people are doing that that are, basically at the highest level in the industry, what the fuck are you doing? What are you doing?

Let's make better decisions. Unless you're perfect and every shot you make is perfect, which doesn't seem like that, then I would just kind of clean that shit up. Yeah, it might not be the best look from the outside. And this is with all love. This is just shit talking. Yeah.

So let me let me just say this. I'm going to say something, I'm going to say, I'm going to give some positive feedback because I don't want to sound like some freaking positive talkers. Yeah, I don't want to sound like, get off my lawn, you stupid kids. Get the hell off my spread. Okay. So I do, I mean, I did, hey, I've got opinions on everything. But I do listen to Josh and Tim, Fireside, whatever. the I really like Tim.

Tim's awesome. I don't even know Josh, but I know he owns a pro shop, but whatever. That one can be okay sometimes. Kind of interesting. They got kind of hot takes, including the three and four fledge.

Keep it positive. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Eastman's Brian Barney, I think it's better when we're around the middle of season. Because he can talk.

Yeah. But I just think we're just so distracted. But that's one of my favorites. Earn Your Hunter. I already talked about the next A-E station. Of course, that's ultra-running. The Hunter podcast, I do like those guys. They're young badass as smart.

I just don't give a fuck about crops and shit, whatever the fuck they talk about. But if they talk to somebody, I don't know, they've had some, oh, I mean, just, you know, Chris Brackett, a little bit nuts, but entertaining podcast. This might be something we need to come back to, but just a question I had,

do you think you can be a badass and only a whitetail hunter? You know what? I was looking at this article I wrote in Eastman's, and it was sort of tongue-in-cheek 100 years ago because I was looking for those pictures of Tanner. And I wrote in the column that I felt sorry for people that only had turkeys and whitetail to hunt, because we're out here.

We got Rams, bear, elk, box, and goats, goats. mounds. We got all, and I'm like, you know what, we should feel sorry for those guys.

And those guys, so the people, like most the hunters in the world, in the U.S., at least, like 95% of them, hunt white tail and turkeys.

They were really upset that I was shitting on them. So do I want to wait back into that? And, um, the question was, can you be a badass and only hunt white tail?

Yeah. it can be tough. But you bet, I mean, if you're killing 200-inch bucks all the time, because you're just the land man and you've fucking got these saddles and these pinch points and these crops and these winter wheat bullshit and you're just dialed in, yeah, that's pretty badass. Yeah. It's way easier to be a badass in the mountains because it's like that, it's the measurable. It's like, what are you supposed to do on in a tree? You know, you just hours in a tree stand.

Right. Which is hard. It's not like hard. Like what you running out of water and your legs cramping. But yeah, I think I think you could. It's just, it's just different. Yeah, sure. And I'm not trying to, you know.

No, it's all love. Yeah. This one, Alcon, I think this is Cody Rich. And he did irritate me one time, but I'm being positive. And it's fine. He's whatever. I listen to, I listen to,

uh, I listen to that sometimes. I think I listened. Yeah, I can't remember. I mean, but I think he's in Montana. I think he's from here.

So yeah, he's done a lot of Elkhine. He's got, there's decent stories. It's fine. Um, what else do we got here? Yeah. Uh,

yeah, Cliff Gray. He, he does a good job. Um, says everybody's name. A little too often, but,

uh, is that gray light? no no no that's marlin holden oh that's right no cliff gray he was like an outfitter in color maybe still is but super nice guy smart guy i think he's a finance guy but now he's like into outfitting or something um he's just now he's really good at talking and like people who are really good you know how you you validate somebody by hey james here's what i was thinking so i'm not good at talking or validating so i never i don't even know your name but he's so good at it he says So I just noticed it's like, oh man, he says the person's name a lot.

Born primitive. This is Aaron Snyder. He's the host of this. He was at Kfaru, which, you know, that was cool when he's CEO over there. I think he was or president. I don't know what, but he went to Born Primitive. And so he does a podcast. I did his first one that he started.

And I'm, you know, he's from small town Oregon. I like it. I don't like when he's spitting chew or whatever he's doing when he's talking. so mouth noises on the mic that's you could be talking about probably the most interesting thing in the world I don't want to hear that but I like Aaron yeah so just cut that out maybe even though Jake Downs doesn't because that's caught that was that caused an issue between he was talking shit about Aaron well I that's what it was he talks about me but he's talking shit about Aaron and I remember saying dude I don't even fucking I know Aaron I don't know you I know Aaron way more than I know you and they

didn't get along, which is just hunting. I guess everybody's got, nobody gets along. No, everybody's has these little rivalries. But anyway, you get past it. It's just life's too short for this shit. I just want to be entertained. Remy's good on Live Wild. He's

so much experience. I really like him. Podium Archer I listen to. That's with that Josh guy and Brandon McDonald I think and sort of entertaining. I'm sometimes, but yeah,

those are the ones I listen to. I just want them to be and some, some episodes are amazing and they do a really good job. I, again, I'm giving people,

just like I didn't do it for a month, maybe they shouldn't have. Yeah, maybe that's it. Or maybe I should have done some shitty ones. Maybe they have the formula.

Maybe the sponsors are saying, Cam, where the podcast? You are obligate, maybe I'm like, got egg on my face over here. Yeah, maybe we need to be putting out

30 minute shit talkers. Let me just come in here by myself and talk for 30 minutes. There you go. People are going to love that. Talk about your photography. Oh, yeah. Your girlfriend says you're really good. And then I clicked the button.

Oh. And then I clicked the button. They had buttons in the Oahu. Buns are like a new thing. Yeah. They had. And then I pressed the leather.

Okay. Yeah. I don't know. I think we covered, did you have any more on your list? That was it. Yeah. So here's a recap.

If I can do better my podcast, tell me what I need to do. If you got any that are really good, tell me what to listen to. Don't tell me, crop ones or whatever the hell um and if i mentioned anybody just know that it's all love and i do listen to your podcast and i do enjoy it i just think sometimes we we all are sometimes we're better sometimes we're worse can we all get better me i know i can so this is this is to me this is but this is just

shit talkers weekly we got and and this the other thing that podcast like like try to find a good one was recent because she was just hours and hours and hours and couldn't do it. I had a couple people message me that they replay shit talkers when it's been a while since we posted. So that's not good. That's insane. Because there's like five million fucking podcast out there. That's crazy.

But if you've made it this far, I also want to do, or I want to know if people, no one's listening probably now, but if we should do some shit talkers merch. Yes, of course. We got. I might put a story up and ask people what they want. We got, we got, I'm fucked, cut quietly. It's all love. It's all love.

Yeah. I think we should. Yeah, we're good. All right. Well, we're going to do three in a row. We did Tanner. We did this and now we're going to do. That was another thing I was pissed off about the other day on the one that we canceled was people are repeating themselves.

So here I am repeating my podcast schedule. See, so I'm, God, I just burped into this fucking thing. So there's mouth noises. So I'm fucking as bad as anybody. So don't take this personal because this is all, I got to listen to this and just say, like this is advice for me. Yeah.

And that's what you were talking about anyways. Basically. Yeah. I mean, I don't fucking know shit. I would never talk shit about anybody. Not without love. It's not like I'm, you know, Rogan.

No. I'm a fucking retarded bow hunter. It's like, what do you expect? Obviously, I'm going to say stupid stuff. that's all we say stupid stuff all right well tomorrow did i say it again macy take that out all right guys thanks for tuning in this is the key or no this is shit talkers weekly 10 keep crammering check you on the next one all right hunters listen up honey season's here and the last thing you want is to tap out before the action starts that's why i'm dialing in with mountain

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