Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 150 - Sh*t Talkers Weekly 11

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

Join us for a new Sh*t Talkers Weekly podcast episode! This week Cam and James cover questions from Instagram, Truett’s marathon update, the Moab 240 and more! Listen on: Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3XCm31n Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3Dm6ClE Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00  Hate Comments from Cam’s Bow Set-Up Video 00:05:56  Old Playboy Magazines 00:08:34  Hennessey Truck Giveaway Update 00:10:23  Cam’s Top 3 Favorite Rappers 00:11:51  St. George Marathon & Addressing the Haters 00:18:32  Moab 240, David Goggins, & Killian Korth 00:21:07  The Reality of Long Marathon Races 00:26:22  Moab 240: Andy Glaze 00:29:55  Industry Drama & The Ed Gein Story on Netflix 00:36:24  Thoughts on the Recent Leadville Film 00:38:32  Ambler Road Project 00:40:48  QA’s from Instagram 00:43:00  Wenaha Film Progress 00:45:44  Cam’s Jury Duty 00:55:52  Outro: Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off Grizzly Coolers: ⁠https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/⁠ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off

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Keep hammering with Gideon, shit talkers, 11. Youe, you, you, you, you. What were you just saying? Chiggity, check yourself. Oh, right, yeah. Before you riggedy wreck yourself. Right. Okay, that's what I was.

I was going to say the same thing. Yeah, that'll tie back in later. Yeah. It'll make sense. Oh, good. before we go on this long journey. Yeah. What's up?

Not much. Yeah? Yeah. I'm back. From doing nothing this weekend? Oh, man. I'm fucking exhausted. I've been elk hunting for, it feels like the entire year.

Hmm. Yeah. A little longer season than normal? Man. Yeah. From August to mid-October. Yeah. How was it?

Oh, it's good. It's just, you know, hard time to bow hunt. Looked a little muddy. Yeah, it was muddy, rainy. But yeah, it was good. Good. It was good. Yeah.

Wild Country Adventures is a place to go. Well, I had someone DM me. I thought this is a good description of our podcast. Well, not description, but they said, to find Shit Talkers Weekly, all you have to type into the search board is, White noise. Oh, so is that racist or what is that? I don't know, but it was meant as a compliment.

Oh, really? Yeah. That's a compliment? Yeah. Okay. I guess people like white noise. They do? I guess.

I didn't know that was a positive, but... God forbid a couple white boys catch a little motion. I know. I know, yeah. Hey, don't hate the player. Yeah, well, speaking of hate, we got a good amount of hate. on the last gear dump video. We did?

Yeah. What for my bow? Or what? Talking shit on releases. Yeah. Which, let's start this off again because people must not have heard it last time. It's all love. Oh, right.

Guys, this is all love. And we cannot be held responsible for anything we say. No, no, no, no. So if your panties earn a bunch, that's on you. Yeah. That's not us, because this is love. People also had their panties in a wad over you saying, that, you know, your arrows you use have won the last, whatever, since 1996.

Yeah. But then you turn around and talk shit about the releases the pros use. Yeah. So people didn't like that. Of course, people thought you were just peddling gear to be bought. Yeah, I don't even give a fuck about sponsors. My sponsors actually know that. So you could ask them. And then someone said that I'm the sidekick and I had no idea what I was talking about and just brown nosing you. Yeah. Which obviously. Okay.

What do you? Okay. As far as the arrows go, okay, there's two different categories. So how you release a projectile, that's a big part of hunting. Huge. If you do it right, yeah, the arrow's going to go in the X or in the lungs or whatever. So it doesn't really matter. Are we talking X or bow hunting?

Are we talking target or bow hunting? All I'm saying. And so you want a very accurate arrow. That's the most accurate arrow there is. So how you release it, that's a big deal. Because that matters. If you're on the line in Vegas and you got all the time in the world and you're shooting a piece of paper that's not moving, that's different than being in the woods. I think so.

I mean, so why can't those be two separate things? Because you have to go all target. So you're supposed to shoot, what, 40 pounds out there with a 200 grain arrow? And 12 foot stabilizer? Yeah, and the arrows like the size of a, you know, baseball bat, line cutter. Are you going to hunt with that? No, we're talking two different things, dipshits. God.

So, anyway, it's all out. Yeah. Well, no, no, no, no. All love guys. And I do stand on bidsness. I think the guys I know that use a hinge are headcases and they get target panic. So, yeah. Come for me.

Who I said, I said, Adam, Remy, Waddell. you know our index release guys yeah and that's their job so if if there was something that made them better at their job they'd probably use that right yeah i think so okay just check but how'd get that cleared up for everyone for all the the haters yeah good yeah just to summarize go Fuck yourselves. And also it's, you know, why we love archery is because it is so personal to us. And everybody has their own favorites, why they choose them, who they follow, what they talk about, whether it sounds convincing to the consumer or to the fellow bowhunter, however,

those are two, those are the same things. Consumer and fellow bow hunters, right? So it's like, we're just talking, we're sharing what works for us. I shared what works for me. And I said, I don't give a fuck what you. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I said that. Pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you said whatever makes you feel the most confident. Yeah, that's it. I mean, and I want you to have the same amount of confidence that I have in my stuff, I want you to have in yours.

But if you're using a hinge, you won't have it. Yeah. Because you're going to fuck up. Well, there we go. We cleared it up. Now we get into some more fun topics. This one you'll really enjoy. So I was at, uh, damn, it's this antique store or whatever. I saw Lisa there. Oh, yeah. Endicott. Okay. Anyways, walk towards the back, and there's a collection of old playboys. Okay.

Which I hadn't seen. I had never been, I've never looked through like a 1985s, you know, playboy. Yeah. You should. You definitely should. I mean, the bushes might be out of control. I don't know. I don't remember.

I thought it was pretty tasteful. Because back before, I mean, now it's like, you know, you want the girls to be like, you know, a dolphin. There's fucking no hair. But back then, it was big hair up on the head, let alone, you know, downstairs. And I mean, just spread eagle poses. I mean, I opened that centerfold. Yeah, really? Yeah.

That's cool. I had to check a couple of them just to make sure. Right. No, wait, is this, are these real? Are these authentic? But I'm sitting there flipping for a while. Then I noticed this guy kind of talking to himself behind me. Fiddling with shit that didn't matter.

Yeah. So I'm like, he's probably waiting. Yeah. Loitering. Yeah. So I put it away. And as soon as I walked out of there, he moved it. And then went to the bathroom.

Yeah. A couple of them had crusty pages. Yeah. Oh, it's tough. It's tough. It's tough for the old, the old nudie magazines with, since everybody's got their mobile porn device. Yeah, nobody wants to read anymore. I mean, the articles were fantastic.

That writing is amazing. Yeah, it was. I mean, I heard, that's what I heard. Yeah, I've never. I never even saw one. Yeah. I mean, I'd have to go to an antique store. If I did see one, they were really nice.

I remember, yeah, when they used to have Playboy in the airports, and I always thought that that was fucking balzy. I mean, would you get a playboy to look at, on the plane. Seems weird. I mean, you can't do a privacy screen in your magazine. Yeah, I mean, I didn't know how I thought they were kind of tastefully done. You couldn't really see anything.

No. I thought it was like Sports Illustrated. Oh, National Geographic. Yeah. That's, I just, me and Truj just watched stepbrothers. And it was like, I think, good housekeeping. Good housekeeping as it was. Did we just become best friends?

Yeah. Yeah. The other thing that happened to me is I went to a car dealership yesterday with my girlfriend because someone hit her car, totaled it, whatever. But the whole car dealership knew who I was. Really? Whoa. They knew Gideon?

The car. Yeah. They're like, are you, you're not? Yeah. I was like, oh, no. Then I got praded around and met everybody. They were super nice. Which one was it?

Toyota. Lithia and Springfield. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sam Jones. That's where I bought Traces. Oh, yeah. Her car.

Yeah. Yeah, super nice, but it was super weird. Yeah, that's all right. But that's all good. Speaking of buying vehicles. Oh, I know. Yeah. Yeah, I need, well, I'm giving away my Raptor.

So, oh, yeah, we have a winner. Yeah, but we can't. We can't call yet. No. We're going to call live. I know. on the air. Let's do Wednesday. What happened? Oh, we get background check? Yeah. Okay. And also, guys, so we have a winner of the truck.

If he passes a background check, we'll give it to him. But just so you know, this is not like, people think that I just pick who I want to win. No, this is by the book, laws, lottery commissions, all sorts of shit. But anyway, yeah, so we got a winner. We should be announcing that this week. And then, yeah, so I wasn't. going to have a truck so I had to I had to buy yeah I got that Volkswagen beetle out there going to refurbish people are going to be stoked to get that herbie that's that's used to be a great movie i know yeah Lindsay lohan was she in it yeah the remake yeah but um all right well from my story somebody wants to know your top three best white rappers of all time Oh, okay.

Well, M. Okay. You gotta go Marshall Mathers, right? Is Mac Miller's rap, right? Yeah. Okay, yeah, Mac Miller. One more. Oh, I mean, I don't know.

I mean, I don't really, I don't see color. Right. So I don't, I don't even know if these guys are white or whatever, but. Kendrick Lamar. Meek Mill? No. I like NF. He's all right.

Oh, okay. Yeah, he's got some pretty good stuff. Some people would say NF is co-worker music. Yeah, I know. It's, I mean, he just, I don't know. I just see him like on reels. I don't, I don't hate him. I think he's got some good stuff.

Yeah, I think so too. But yeah, you can't go wrong with Eminem and Mac Miller. Yeah, mine are Eminem Slim Jesus. Do you know who that is? No. Macy, thrown a clip. Okay. He took like 50 to me.

All these rappers is broke. That should be sitting in me. You blew the whole bag on a... Yeah. He's like this 16-year-old kid. Super white, but anyways. And Lil Dickie. Oh, yeah, yeah.

That was Cat Bradley. She liked Little Dicky. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even... I didn't even know who it was, but he's not bad.

Okay. Now into some news. Truitt. Yeah. Broke his 230. He did. Yeah. It was quite the controversy, too.

I saw that. Had some hate. Got some hate. Yeah, and then he addressed, some people might say address the haters too much on his weekly video. And he got some hate for addressing the hate. This isn't my last marathon, buddy. Hey, guys, keep watching. Let's have fun with this thing.

And if anything, it actually kind of gives me joy to make you guys angry because it's weird how much you guys care. And I said, I go, it doesn't matter, dude. It doesn't matter. So you know what? Now the next video, you talk about how grateful you all. for all the support. So it's just if there's nothing bad. Nothing.

You dress it or you say something bad or something, you screw something up, then you'll dress it. Then it's like on to the next thing. I listened to it. I thought it was funny. Yeah. I mean,

he was fine. It's just, you know, people, I mean, there's a lot to hate. He's, you know, as we've talked about, he's got a lot going for him.

That's enough to garner some hate. But then it's like, like he ran the downhill marathon. And what I was saying is like, yeah, it was a downhill course. But it was kind of treating it like a like how you do on treadmill where you get that quick leg turnover. So you wrap that treadmill up faster than you could run on flat by yourself. Right.

Just you get your body used to that leg turnover and that speed. And I said, well, it's no different than that. So you use a hill to maybe run some quicker miles, get your body used to it. That's just how it goes. And people are saying it doesn't count. And so it's like, well, I don't know. I mean, you're going to tell all those thousands of people there who ran that, yeah, what you did doesn't count. It's like, shut the fuck up.

It's also like, okay, you're a hater. So in your perfect world, you know, is that adjusted to a 231, 232? Like, he's still probably faster than you. Oh, no shit. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And then there was like this other run influencer.

It's just stupid. but said something about downhill or so that turned into a whole thing. But it's like, why the fuck I care? Why do you care? Well, Truis is faster than him. Yeah. For one. And yeah, I don't know.

I mean, Truit is at least putting himself out there. Yeah, downhill flat. Leadville wasn't really downhill. But he does a lot of, he does all races, fast 10 k's marathons downhill ultras what do you what do you what do you want the other thing is is they gave him shit for downhill when he wasn't running this fast too it's like oh and then he ran faster it was like yeah i know you guys are gonna eat your words eventually do you not see the pattern i i think i commented before like when he first did the first downhill one of course

there's people they're always looking for shit but i'm like it only counts if you run up everest and you finish at the top that's the finish line at the top of mount everest That's the only marathon that actually counts. All you other pussies running these flat ones in the city, what do you, come on, that doesn't count. It's got to be up Everest. I thought someone commented downhill merchant. I was like, he should make a shirt out of that.

It's kind of sick. I don't know, but we were, you know, everybody puts out their goals and it's all good. His goal was sub-230. His goal wasn't sub-2-30 on an uphill course. It wasn't sub 2.30 on a flat course. It wasn't sub 2.30 on a downhill. It was just sub 2.30, right? An official marathon, 26.2.

Did he break 230? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but like almost five minutes. Yeah. But just settle down because if that upset you, you're going to be really upset with this next goal. His next video series is going to really get people worked out.

It's totally going to tickle some feathers. Oh, shit. They're just like this 225, 41, whatever the fuck was, don't worry about that. Yeah. Okay. That's going to be a non-factor. So all you fucking pussies that are also worked up about what he's doing, just be patient. That is another thing I kind of like is these people get so worked up about this 225, obviously knowing Trude.

I know he's not stopping there. So this is just a, there's a checkpoint. Yeah. So it's like, whatever, you know. No, you start. When he first started, it was like, you know, he ran. 3.30 when he was 13 years old. I lied to get him Eugene Marathon. It was supposed to be 16. I said he was 16. He was 13. But whatever. So then it was like, well, could we break three? Okay. Break three hours. Yeah. He did that. He got to, you got the Boston qualifier. The Boston got canceled because of COVID. But he ran a 257. Okay. Cool. Oh, I wonder if he could break 250. Because that was my fastest time. Oh, he did that. Oh, I wonder if he could break 240. Well, he did that. Oh, I want, it's just how. works okay just just relax yeah so yeah buckle up because it's not over and he's putting in i mean i he was

last or every day i was in utah i mean he ran 10 miles every day for sure yeah and he still looks he's way too big still yeah he's still jacked but uh yeah and we were putting in miles on the mountains uh it was all good and he packed out most i think probably three quarters of my bowl i mean because I would just like, hey, load those things on that pack and get it up to the truck. He's just like, whatever check. Yes, Paul. And so he does it. He liked, he wanted a workout.

Yeah. He probably would have went back and forth a few times, not even taking it off the pack frame. But, uh, yeah, I mean, it's, it's the nature of the business. You know, you, you garner this attention. You put yourself out there. You put your goals out there. Part of the deal is you're going to be criticized. That's it.

It's, and that's fine. there's just a lot of people out there doing things that want attention for it and it's great he just happens to be very aggressive on his time goals these other people aren't really they got this they're arbitrary it's kind of like breaking three i want to break three and that's okay right but how's it any difference in what he's doing it's not yeah i mean he just has more getting more attention. So it makes people mad. Yeah. I mean, but whatever. People will always be mad. Yeah. Well, in other running news, Moab 240 is kind of concluding. Yeah. What the hell is Killian Korth eating? I don't know. He's fucking on one though. He is insane. Yeah, he's a stud. Yeah.

I mean, I feel like I've seen his name everywhere this year. Did he win all 200s? Well, that's what I was wondering if he won all the triple crown. Yeah, I mean, so Moab, I think, he won bigfoot yeah and then Tahoe did he win Tahoe I don't know if he won Tahoe yeah anyway yeah I mean but I know he just won Moab Gawkins is in it Eli's in it Eli you know I saw Eli at a Cocodona yeah and he's in it he's doing good I think he just left me a message or a voice memo on Instagram he's trying to wrap this up he's trying to want to come and do the podcast like hey let's finish this fucking race

first, Eli. But he's getting close. He said he was four miles behind Goggins. So I think he wants to try to catch Goggins. Yeah, I saw Goggins was at 220, the aid station for a little bit. A while. Yeah. I mean, he's racist. But he was in, I think he was in fifth for a while. He was. Yeah. He was crushing at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just, I mean, he's already done a 200 this year. It's, he's a beast, though. But he's still, I bet he'll get top 20 for sure. Yeah. And that's impressive. Yeah, I mean, the conditions look brutal. Yeah, I mean, that mud.

He told me mud again. Yeah. Just like Cocoa. I know. It reminded me of that clip of you. God, it looks terrible. Because it's not like 240 miles. It isn't hard without mud.

It's like, can we get a break here? Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So Killing got, that's the other thing is like you just name your kid Killion and they're destined to be a bad. I guess. Oh, yeah, killing Jornaid, killing Korth. And yeah, that's the only ones I know. So I guess so. Yeah, so he got the triple crown over Michael McKnight with like 156 hours. I think it was just shy of 20 hours better

than Michael Knight's time. And then also Manuela Villasaka for the women. Yeah, yeah. That's okay. I saw that and I didn't, I guess I just read it. I didn't see who it was. Yeah. I didn't know if it was some guy from her,

because I was like, I thought killing had the total, but that was a women's, okay. Yeah. So she also, and I think hers was by 29 hours. Holy shit. Yeah, there's some freaks out there, dude. Yeah.

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Seymour, Hunt Harder. I'm going to talk about this on a podcast too. So I've got two podcasts that I need to do. I need to do one on a wounding. I mean, I do that because I want to talk about archery, wounding. It's the thing. Right. We've got to talk about it.

But there's, you know, my approach, you could agree or disagree, but I want to talk about my feelings on wounding for hunters. And yeah, I mean, it's probably one of the toughest things that can happen to wound and lose an animal. But there's different ways. There's two different ways to talk about that. I talk about wounds. There's fatal wounds and then there's non-fatal wounds.

And that's a big distinction. Right. So I want to talk about that. And then I also want to talk about that. And then I also want to talk about just this ultra running scene. It's like so popular. But I want to, I don't know if I'm trying to be like this grumpy old man, but I just want these people, these 200s, these multi-day things,

they're legit. I mean, they, it's not, I think it takes a little bit of time to get ready, get your body ready to run those. And I know everybody sees it and they, want to do it and they want to and it looks badass i don't want anybody to can get hurt or die yeah because this shit is i mean it is fucking it can be dangerous yeah out there and it's like i think about because just like the you know the two young bow hunters i know everybody right now wants to be seems like the big ultracine is popular bohunting is popular but there's risk in bohunan in both of them

and it's just like i it you know i know i know those young, those guys in Colorado that we've talked about last time, you know, they want to kill a bull, they want to be the backcountry, they want to, you know, archery elk hunters, it's great, but man, there's risks. Yeah, definitely. I mean, you know, obviously Rodney, he finished. Yeah. But, uh, mammoth, but man, he was saying, like coughing up blood and stuff coming in. They almost pulled them. It's like, I know. I got that. I was worried about them. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, you know, that's a high race. You get up in that high altitude setting, your body, if you're not used to it,

or even if you are used to it, everything is more critical up there. It's just how your body reacts to pushing that long, especially going through the multi-day. You know, we did Leadville, which that's just one night. Right. Whatever. You can make it through one night. It's a completely different game when it's multi-night. Yeah, and it's kind of like, okay, if you are doing permanent damage or something even worse happens, it's like, for what?

Yeah. It's like just because you needed to have that done now and not, you know, train and maybe wait a couple years. Yeah, no. I mean, I don't like waiting for anything either. So I get that. I get that you want the big test. It's just like when I started, there was no 200s. Right.

It was, you know, the 100 was a big thing. It's like we would joke around that, you know, you're not really an ultra runner until you run 100. And that was kind of even kind of shitting on the 50Ks and the 50 miles. Those were still very hard races. So, but we were saying like that 100 is the holy grail. Well, there wasn't 200. So it was a natural progression. I started, you know, the marathon of course, and the 50K, then the 50 mile, then the 100k, then the 100 mile.

And it just took, that took years. And I think I did my first ultra in 2005, my first 100. in 2009 so it was four years and i've been running for years before that right but it to get your body ready for those um it just fucking takes time yeah shit's hard yeah really hard yeah i mean and they just keep getting longer god i know what's yeah there there is no limit really now or or people there's a limit people want to find it so yeah yeah i'm glad i'm glad rodney's okay i was i was i was because I knew that they had him held up there like a 207 or something. Yeah.

And, you know, he's a tough kid. But, but you, we can be a little too tough for own good sometimes. Yeah, I mean, like he said in his post, he said, at the moment of writing it, he said, he feels it took more from him than it gave. Yeah. You know, which is, that's brutal. Yeah. I mean, I just, he's fine.

Yeah. I'm not trying to blow it out of proportion, but he's got a young kid, he's married. It's just like, I don't want, I don't want anything crazy to happen, which can happen when you push your body that hard for that long with no sleep at high elevation. Right.

It's just, it's a recipe. You just got to be smart about it. Yeah. And it's not like, I mean, even, you know, with Ludville, it's like you had a bad day. It's not necessarily saying that you can't do it, but you have a bad day, mix all those things together.

Yeah. Could get worse. Yeah, so exactly. But yeah, and also Andy, Gleaze. I know. He's got to get this done. Where is he at? I mean, he's a ways back.

Oh, I know. I was looking at Gagons last night, or I was at Truitt's house, and we're looking, and I forgot it was fucking Moab. So I'm like, oh, Gaggins is getting pretty close to 200. And I was like, then I saw Killian was like at 2.50 or something. I was like, holy shit, I forgot this was Moab. 40. So Goggins, he's got a whole other day.

I thought he was getting close to 200. I'm like, oh, he's got it. No, a whole other day. No, brutal. God does. Because it's, you know, if you're doing 70 miles a day, 80, those are big days. The huge day. Yeah.

Let's see where Andy's at. Yeah. I mean, he's. 192. Because he's DNF this twice. Yeah. So he's got, what, so he's got 42 more. mile or no 48 more miles he's what did i say 197 or 92 yeah yeah so he's got yeah 48 oh god that's rough

that that's a day pretty much that's a whole other night till tomorrow ah yeah yeah well hopefully he makes it i know i'm i'm a fan of andy glaze i'm a fan of anybody who's doing that shit yeah Speaking of, we can say that for wounded, Elite Archery had an ad that was not wounding, but the ad was like so in my eyes distasteful. It was like this weird kind of hip hop music. And this guy shot these two does. And one of the shots, I mean, both shot,

one of them was close to being really bad and the other one was like straight in the shoulder. And I'm like, why would you put that in an ad? And he like picks up his arrow between. He's like, time for. round too. And I'm like, what do we doing? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying everything I do is perfect, but I try to think about it. I just don't. I can't see that being a good, just imagine somebody who hates hunting comes across that. It's like, yeah, it's terrible. Here's a field day.

That's the problem is anybody can see what we're doing at any time now. We've talked about this before. It used to just be hunters talking to hunters. Now with social media, everybody sees everything. Right. So yeah, we've got to be real conscious about what we're putting out there. Yeah. I did see some industry drama. Really? With, I should have written the guy's name down.

It was with, I don't know, I'll bring it up. Because I'm interested to see what you think about it. Oh, no. I usually don't have an opinion on much. I mean you're pretty quiet. Yeah. there we go so invader concepts

and I don't know what that is what is that they make like I think they're really known for like gun attachments behind holsters okay

but anyways they then this other guy David Rodriguez or some Mexican last name in these mountains the photographer

oh yeah yeah yeah I know yeah so they're a few Martinez? or Martinez. Martinez. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. He takes some good photos. Yeah, he does in good videos. But anyways, yeah, if you don't know about it, then it doesn't matter. But they were just going, they were like pitting their followers against each other. Were they? Ooh.

Like David was literally like, yeah, go to Invader Concepts. Keep lighting them up. Keep talking shit in their comments. Oh, my God. Just stirring everything up, huh? Wow. I was like, this is crazy. What happened?

Apparently they steal concepts and ideas. This is allegedly, so I don't know. Okay. But this is allegedly they steal concepts and ideas from other people or companies. David was saying that the guy who owns it is a piece of shit. Okay.

Yeah. So they steal concepts? So they invade concepts? I mean, the name's right there, guys. What did you expect? Spot on. Yeah. I don't know.

I didn't see that. I don't know shit about it. I don't know. I think I've sent messages back and forth to David a couple times, but it seems like, you know, he goes pretty hard. Yeah. I don't know anything about him, though. Yeah, I do, but he's a Bozeman guy for a while.

Oh, really? Yeah. But nice guy. Yeah, that's cool. He's fine. But yeah, I mean, when you get fucked over, I don't know who fucked over who, but it's not fun. No. I mean, it does piss you off.

Yeah. I get it. Yeah. I don't know what the, I don't know anything about this situation. Oh, okay. Well, I'll avoid it. Okay. Have you watched the Ed Gein?

Oh, my God. Have you? I think one episode. For anybody that has, you'll get this. If you haven't, this doesn't make sense, but. I didn't mean nothing by it, mother. Oh, God. I love my mother.

I know. So the mom is pretty cool. Holy shit. I know. Yeah. It was like so disturbing. I mean, the, the garter belt and the fucking choking yourself and beating off.

And I had the fun fact that that actually happened. Like, kill Bill, David Kennedy, that's how he died. So I had the fun fact to share with the girls that, hey, this, this happened. Yeah. Yeah.

So I think they found them in a closet. I don't know. The jokes write themselves. They do. Yeah. So it's, but that was a weird scene for sure. Mom came in, kind of fucked up his little fantasy there. But yeah, mom was nuts.

He seems pretty normal. Yeah, I mean, I made it. The acting is spot on because I didn't know who that guy was. I didn't either. And then Charlie, whoever, has he in anything else? I think so, but he's kind of a stud. I was like, damn. This is fully believable.

I know. He seemed like a fucking freak. Well, there were some things I didn't know about Hitchcock, Alfred Hitchcock, the director. Because that's, oh, well, you get to that later in the show. Oh, because Ed Gain inspired Psycho. Oh, right, right. Yeah. Okay, yes.

Because Psycho was kind of the same kid or guy with his mom. Yeah, and then, you know, like some weird. Obviously, there's things that didn't happen, but it inspired it. I don't know if I can watch the whole, because once everybody died, mom and brother, who's fucking keeping tabs on this freak? It's bad. Oh, that's what I was afraid of. I'm like, because I'm like, I don't know.

It's not going to go, it's not going to get any better. It's going to be like a feel good, happy indie. No, it does not get better. I think I'm three or four episodes in, but. I have to go back to it. I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, so Alfred Hitchcock, which in the one semester I went to film school,

you learn about, well, it turns out he's a total peeping Tom and he's fucking nuts. Alfred Hitchcock? Yeah. I'm sure they don't teach about him anymore. Yeah. Artists, artists are nuts. But speaking of film school, your film. Oh, Leadville.

Leadville. What do you think? I thought it was good. Yeah. I think, Truit, if you're listening, you should have waited at the finish line. Yeah, no, we talked about that. Yeah. We talked about that.

But, yeah, I thought you did a really good job with that film. Yeah, I thought it turned out great I thought it's cool People seem to be liking it Yeah, that's good I think you did great Yeah, that little audio with the reel I thought that fit perfectly

Probably probably would have been really good with Kocodona but I didn't find it It didn't find it in time I know I'm always looking for like Oh here's my Arrowhead I knew it was somewhere around here Oh

Anyway, I got a bunch more teeth I got to put in there I wonder. Yeah, I don't know. I wish I had all of them. That's a lot of ivories. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, we talked about that, but yeah, True. I thought it was really good too. Um, yeah, the, well, did you see that the footage from the interview in here with Tyler? Yours? Yeah, my. Yeah. That, that color is so good. I know. Yeah. Is it that camera? Well, yeah. I mean, the, I obviously colored the whole thing, but it's probably the lens. Oh, the lens. Oh, the lens. Yeah. Okay. Because there's a big camera too. So the camera is the same as mine.

Oh, is it? But they just built it out to be a little bit bigger. But yeah, the lenses he shot that on are super nice. Oh, gotcha. Yeah. Yeah, I thought looked really good. Yeah, I love that. Yeah.

Kind of shallow depth of field and yeah. But yeah, it turned out decent. Good job. Yeah, thanks. That was James G. Williams Gideon. Yeah. Remember the name for when I get fired next time.

Yeah, you'll have to weigh in. Like, I'll put a pole up. Fire Gideon or not. So guys, remember this. You might play a role in his future. Rihanna will make a hundred fake accounts to vote to fire me. Fire, fire, fire. Yeah, she's a tough one.

She's a tough cookie. All right. The other thing we got to talk about is the Ambler Road. Yeah, I know. God, what is it? Can we just... Why? Can we just fucking just...

Okay. We don't have to rape and pit up. the entire landscape for every mineral right or to extract everything. Do we? Can we just not do that? Can we just leave the public lands and the hunting opportunities and like kind of preserve wilderness and national forest? Can we maybe come up with a timber management plan?

Can we do something positive instead of just like, hey, let's fucking mine this? Yeah, that's a great point. When was the last time there was something that was like, hey, we're going to do this and it's going to be positive. I know. It's in, I cannot stand. People are,

oh, this is what you voted for. It's like, oh my God, shut the fuck up, you fucking retards. I did not vote for this. All right?

Yeah, I voted for this side because I really don't want every fucking kid thinking there's some other sex and getting mutilated. And that was a side of, that I didn't want.

So I'm like, no, those people. They're, I see. you know the dillan mulvaney all this bullshit with this last administration i'm like no we're i'm not supporting that so i supported the other side but not this shit yeah not this this land you know well the land sale the the land extraction of everything it's like no so quit fucking saying that yeah

yeah i mean it's still has to be it's got to make it through the what is it house i don't I haven't I've been gone. Yeah. So I've seen, I've shared a few things and, uh, you know, people are like, oh, you're being pretty quiet on this one. This is like, I know, I've been fucking hunting, okay? I'm not just staring at my phone all the time, like getting amped up on political shit. Yeah.

It's like, can you fucking handle it when I'm out cunning? You guys got it? Yeah. God. Daddy will be back. No, I'm not saying that. Not saying that. But, uh, I'm just saying.

And no, I can't keep up on all this shit when, you know, I'm turning to Elkhine. Yeah. Yeah. Well, something else from my question. Someone said that you should film me hunting while I shake like a queer and a weaner. That's actually pretty good. I know. I thought that was funny.

Yeah. That reminds me of, yeah, what, people say? say like people always say that they had it harder you know than yeah this generation is like until you're until you're working for free at a ball crushing factory oh yeah a 57 hour unpaid shift at the ball crushing factory then you haven't even worked where did we first hear that i don't know it was funny though that it was hilarious it reminds me of that yeah yeah um now oh this is our q and a yeah they're i'll be honest with you guys just so you know a lot of these suck. So what that tells me is you guys suck. Yeah. You can't just, I can't come up with

all these great topics that you guys like to listen to. Can you help out? Can you guys do anything? Fuck you guys. Fuck your quivering weaers. Or was it the wieners quivered or you're quivering? Quivering like a queer and a wiener factor. No. No. Does Cam get a lot of weird fanboys, Dick writers. Sounds like you. Yeah. What do you mean get a lot? Like bed down? I don't know. What do you mean get a lot? No, I don't get any dick writers. Yeah, so good question, though. Is that a proposition? Can you play pickleball and be a badass bow hunter or do I have to choose? Okay. These were really bad. Yeah. That's all right, guys. You won't ever be asked again. So Yeah, so good luck.

Yeah. We appreciate the effort of coming up with the questions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, do we have anything else? Oh, how's my Winnihani film? Oh. The greatest bohunting film of all time.

We need to do interviews. Oh. We need the, um, yeah. I need that reaction. Yeah. Okay. And also we need to find out if it's legal to make a film. Hmm.

Yeah. But yeah. People are pretty amped. I know Wayne's amped up for it. Is he? Yeah. He's asked me about it. Yeah, I mean, I could, yeah, so if we get Larry Jones, that would be sweet.

Someone actually commented on one of the YouTube videos said he goes hunting with Larry Jones every year. And it, you know, obviously we weren't talking about him. So for whatever reason, but maybe. Yeah. No, I mean, he's around here. I'm sure. We'll figure out how to get a hold of him. Hopefully he'll do an interview.

But yeah. A messenger pigeon. easy for you to say message you pissing I thought you're trying to talk like Ed Guyin I'm sorry mother

God he fucking drilled his brother too in the back of the head Gotcha got you It's a funny joke Got you Oh

Got you mean Got you mean Oh maybe that's what they mean Do you get do you get many dick riders oh was that what i'm supposed to do got you got you killed you yeah i know and then was it the next day he was still out there yeah cold and stiff and then what's a mom doing because when there's fires going on outside and ed's out there running around sprinting around do you think the mom would be like what the fuck is going on out there also then

i mean obviously what's crazy is back then they found him like his body was super stiff. How long had he been dead? And Ed's like, I don't know. Yeah, I know. Just a couple hours, I guess. Yeah, they didn't see the big like wound on his head. Oh, he died from smoking elation.

Well, what's this big thing? He slipped and fell. Yeah, what's this big, you know, like, what is that called? What's like a bad injury called? What's this big trauma on his? Why is his brain poking out of this? Hemorrhage. Yeah. It's like, did anybody notice that?

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Oh, somebody told me about that. Yeah. I think he, like, wears her face. Her skin. What? Her face skin and her hair. Is that legal? I don't think so.

Let me check. Oh, I had to fucking go to jury duty. What? Yes, jury duty. And I'm, like, getting ready to go on this hunt. And so I tell the judge, I'm like, there's no way I'm going to get picked. There's no fucking way. So I go in there, yeah, and it's, yeah, not good.

It's not the case you want to be. Right? Yeah, not the cool one. Not the cool case. Not the Scrant and Strangler. No, nothing like that. So I'm in the jury box, the number seven seed or whatever the hell it was. And so I tell the judge, I'm like, hey, I'm supposed to fly on the morning for a hunt.

And so he's like, well, if it's work you're you know most workplaces excuse you for jury duty right and i said well i'm self-employed he's like well so how's but you said you're going hunting i said yeah i'm going to go hunting i said but it's that's what i do he's like you hunt for a job i'm like yeah he's like denied i'm like cool so the trial is going to be three days yeah and then we're in there And it, come to find out, it's, you know, this guy talking about, so the guy who got arrested was in there asking questions of the jurors. And so he's, he's asking, does there have to be a victim for there to be a crime? Because obviously there's undercover saying they were underage.

He's trying to do whatever. And so he's saying there's no victim. And this time. Yeah. And I'm like saying, well, yeah. Yet you had you had to find one. You're trying. Yeah.

You're trying to find one, right? And so I said, I said, okay, well, just so you know, I'm very biased on this. I'm like, and I said this, I said, I'll give you an example. I said, I saw a clip where the mother, her daughter got raped and murdered by this guy. He got convicted. She was in the courtroom. right when they're taking him out after he's convicted, she pulls up, shoots him. I said, I like that. I thought that's going to be, I'll get out of here. No. You say, well, then the attorney said,

well, if the judge asks you to be, you know, fair and impartial and, you know, know, know that this is a whatever case, it's uncomfortable, it's terrible, but could you, you know, still, be reasonable. And I said, I'm human. I mean, maybe I could try, but I don't think so. And I said, just hearing what this guy's saying about how there's no victim and they lied to him and this and that. I said, I don't think you can be tricked into being a child molester. No. And so right when they do all this questioning, then they pick who they want out of the jury. Like they write down like, they write down like get this guy out very first they came and got the name took it up to the judge judge is like juror two a six you're free to go that was me so I'm like I'm out of here thank God I didn't

want to have to listen to all that shit or look at the text or look at photos I mean yeah I did not want to be in that trial no no that that kind of reminds me is like something that's and well interesting take that's happening is using AI to generate, you know, child abuse images or whatever and people saying whether or not that's punishable. You know, it's like, obviously there's not a real kid involved, but you got a sick bastard. Oh, somebody wants to see it? Yeah, like some pedophile creating it on AI. Yeah, making a market for it, basically.

So it's not real, but it's still, these freaks are still getting off. And the other thing I kind of look at it as is like, okay, but what happens when one day he wants the real thing? Yeah. You know? And then if it's AI, AI is getting so good. It's like, what about the real ones that are kind of thrown in in between, you know, that he can't.

Oh, God. It's so messed up too. So I just, well, and another thing that I didn't like too, but they asked, so there's probably like 50 people in there that they're choosing the jury from. They said, you know, different people like would say. hey, I have experience with this. I was what molester when I was 13 or my daughter was this. It was like way too many people in there had these examples.

I'm like, what the fuck? I don't care if you got to lie to everybody to get guys who are doing that in jail. Yeah. I don't care if, yeah, pretend you're some underage, whatever. Get these guys off the street. Yeah. Because something has happened. It's like I couldn't believe all the people who've been like kind of subjected to.

to that or had to endure that in their life. And then you look like the stats and it's like crazy. One in six or one in four women have been sexually assaulted or, and I'm like, God, what the fuck is going on? I was assaulted when I was 12 by my, oh no, by my mom's, my mom's boyfriend's daughter. I completely forgot about this until, I don't know,

about a month and a half. Were you guys the same age? No. Oh. She was like 16 and I was like 10 or 11. Yeah. Which you think is a 10 11 year old boy, you'd be stoked. But she was so ugly.

Yeah. And she made me grab her boob under her shirt and make out with her. And I didn't like it. Well, that's terrible. I couldn't be on that. No, because they didn't care. They're like, well, can you still, you think you can still be whatever? Like, we'll try.

Like, I couldn't. If I had been living with that shit, I'd see somebody like that. And I'd be like, no, that guy. Yeah. Because I was thinking that already. Yeah. I don't understand how people can be lenient about it. I don't know.

I guess in the event that he's innocent, but it sounds like that guy was. Yeah, they were just like, there's people making excuses like, whoa, is that entrapment? I'm like, I don't get it. I don't care what it is. I don't care what it is. Yeah, like I said, you can't be tricked into being a child molester. Yeah. It's like, that's how it works.

He knew what he was doing. Yeah. But, well, that's a fun topic to end. Oh, my God. Yeah. So anyway, I got kicked out of there, got to go on my hunt. Nice. Well.

Sounds a win. Yeah. Don't really know what happened, but I did. Somebody was in there that knew me and they sent me a message and says, I guess the judge wasn't a fan of bow hunting because he was going to not let me go. But, yeah, I just, I don't. I can't imagine like being in court rooms and just dealing with that shit every day. Be depressing.

It'd be fucking terrible. Well, that's like therapists. They're more fucked up than their clients. I just, anytime I go down there, maybe it's because I got so many tickets when I was like, like young driving. I think I'm just scarred from PTSD. Yeah, and I took, Taylor got, he got a, what did he do? Oh, he didn't stop at a stop sign. So I was like, he was like 16.

So I said, I'll go to court with you. So I'm going to court with him and the judge is saying whatever. And it's like he didn't come to a complete stop. And I said, he thought he was in California, like California stop. That wasn't the right thing to say. You're not such a joke in there, I guess. So that didn't work out good. But that was my, I was Taylor's legal guardian at court.

And making jokes. That's a great look. Yeah, it is. Yeah, that's like those public comment, like city council meetings and the people get up and do stand-up routines. Well, or they just stand up and talk. I mean, I, like, have you ever talked to a gin pop person? Gen pop? Yeah.

Is that a prison talk. General population. But I just say it outside of prison, gin pop. So it's just like a regular person, like a regular person on the street. You go up and talk to them and you're like, is this same, you're human? We were just talking about the other day is like, there's no way that person has hopes and dreams. So that's gin pop. Yeah.

Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, just seeing like, so a courtroom full of gin pop, there was some normal people like the guy who, Who knew me, obviously. But yeah, I just, man, what a melting pot. Real amalgamation. I don't know. Can we even have, are you supposed to talk about court?

I was just wondering if you're allowed to. I don't know. You didn't say names. No. But you also weren't on the jury, so. I don't know anything. If you're on the jury, you can't talk about it. Yeah.

Well, see, that's good that they kicked me out. Yeah. This is what I would have done. I would have talked about every day in our deliberations every day on the podcast. But, no, so that was just a little fun, fun time. Fun bunch. Yeah. And, oh, man, I got some more drama, but probably shouldn't say that on here, but I want to.

But anyway, so let's stay tuned for the Wounding Podcast. I don't really know what I'm, how we're going to talk about that. And then was there another podcast I was going to do? Yeah, you said two. I know. What was the other one? Oh, yeah, the ultra running. Oh, yeah.

Let's, let's have a plan for going into these. Okay. Now I just signing up for Arizona Monster for your first thing over a 5K. Yeah. That's what I'm going to do. That's like me. Yeah. I got third of my age group in the turkey trot.

5k on Thanksgiving. I think I'll do the Arizona Monster 300. Should be good. How much harder could it be? Yeah. All right. Well, good luck with this one, Macy. Do you have anything else?

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