Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 151 - Ultra Risks

Episode Date: October 19, 2025

So, you want to run an ultra marathon? Cam Hanes delves into the extreme risks of ultra-marathon running. From debilitating injuries and relentless vomiting to dizziness, hallucinations, and the rare but real threat of death. Cam shares raw insights into the physical and mental toll of pushing the human body to its limits in these grueling races and what you can do to work your way into running a race like this … if you even should. Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00  50K Races (31.07 Miles) 00:07:45  100 Mile Race: The Holy Grail 00:18:40  “Mountain Legs” 00:27:53  The Reality of a Marathon: Running for the Wrong Reasons 00:32:27  There Are Consequences 00:34:22  Twin Cities Marathon & Cam’s Goals for Courtney Dauwalter 00:35:29  Upcoming Podcasts Guests 00:36:44  2025 Holiday Giveaways & Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off 

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Ignite the hunt. Hunter-mileers are not without risk. They said, what could happen? They said, well, she can die on the trail. They want to overcome. They want to be in the depths and push through to see what they have, what it takes to finish. I get that.

I always that too. But there's a lot that goes into getting to that finish line. It can be dangerous. I think people get hung up on like the mental toughness thing. There is a very serious wall. Can you be too tough? Can you push too hard and is somebody going to die? How do you know though?

What I say, and this is what I've told Rodney, Every step I take, I move my truth. Every time they tell me stop I use. Every comment hate that makes my feel. Gather up my energy and boom. I hear them talking, saying the way that I'm moving so reckless. That is a part of my mind I've been blessed with. Giving my blood so I am relentless.

All right. Well, this is a Keep Hammering Collective. We did a couple bonus podcast today. We did one on wounding and this one is on. What is this on? Like ultra running health risks or ultra running concerns? Yeah, concerns. Concerns? Risks and concerns. Yeah, it's, you know, I just want to talk about it just because I, the ultra running is very popular right now. You know, there's no limit really on what people want to try and do. And it just makes me a little nervous. Like we were talking about our friend here, Rodney Williams, his in-laws live right, couple houses down for me. So I see him all the time.

I saw him on Piscuit tonight with his wife and kids. And I was worried about him at Mammoth. And that was a 200-mile race that just happened. And it's, yeah, it's, I just want to talk about, like the ultra running scene right now, how it's growing, and the risk associated with these big multi-day high altitude races. And I understand that we do the films. The films look great. Everybody loves, you know, they want the heroes arc. They want to finish. Come across that finish line. They want to overcome. They want to, you know, be in the depths and push through to

see if they have what it takes to finish. I get that. I was that too. But there's a lot that goes into getting to that finish line. And it can be dangerous. Yep. You know, we talked about Rodney and I talked to him tonight. And he's, I don't know, what are we?

A few weeks out from Mammoth? Yeah. Three weeks or maybe a month? Three. It'll be three this week. Okay. Or today, I guess. Yeah.

So he's, you know, he was fine. He's over there with his kids and wife, like I said, but still not all the way back. And I know Taylor has talked about, like, I think he did the Monster 300. He got second overall. He's really trying to reel in Pete to win that thing. But I think six months and he's still still not back. This shit is not good for you. These multi-day races are not good for you.

A 50K, when everybody starts at the 50K, it's 31, 32 miles. Hard, very hard, but not too many health concerns. You're out there. If you're fast, four hours, if you're slow, or not slow. If you're, you know, it's just newer, seven hours, right? I mean, I don't know. Slow. Yeah, seven hours. That was my first one. Okay. So, but tell me about it. Yeah, I mean, I think, and I know I've said this, I actually made a comment the other day I'm getting hate for, but I personally don't think 50K should count as an ultramarathon. It's a marathon and you took a wrong turn, you know?

Yeah, I mean, the difference is there are some tough 50Ks in the mountains. Like this one, the first one I did was called the McDonald's Forest. it's up there out of Corvallis. And it's like 7,000 feet of gain in 30 miles. That's rough. That took me a little while. And I was like, what the fuck are these people doing? That was the hardest thing I'd ever done at that time, right? And I'd done a marathon and that took me three hours or just under three.

Or no, my first marathon was, I think it was three hours, one second. So it's just so stupid. But point is, is five more miles, you said a wrong turn, took me double. So felt like more than just a wrong turn. Yeah, it's not. I mean. But it's, if you're doing a flat 50K, yeah, it's five more miles.

It's not that much different. Yeah. Right. But I get what you're saying. Point is for most people that are never even going to do a marathon, an ultra is going to be a huge test. Yeah. I mean, where you kind of talked about wanting the heroic suffering.

It's like if you want that and you don't run, go do a 50K. Yeah. Because, you know, you're not going to die, but I promise you it's going to hurt. Oh, it's going to be terrible. So, I mean, I don't know. I've seen, there's some studs. I remember that I worked with over at Springfield Utility Board, runners, and they did the frozen trail.

You did Frozen Trail, right? That was your second one? First. Oh, first one. Yeah. Okay. And did, and draw. dropped it 20 miles, 22 or something like that.

So it's, it's, and this is, these are like a tough guy, the guy I'm thinking of. So it's like, it's still not, not just, hey, I'm checking this box. No. Those last couple hours. I mean, okay, Truit, he did Frozen Trail this year. Thought he was just going to go raw dog it, not take in a bottle or anything. It's four laps, basically four summits. is a frozen trail.

On the third one, he was locked up. And he called me, he said, Dad, I need some salt. I can't move. So I got over there, and he, like, could not move. And he's, like, in really good shape. Yeah.

At that time, he wasn't. And I think, Rodney won that one, didn't he? Did Rodney win that year? I think he might have. Or maybe he won't. Maybe he's last year he won. But anyway,

so Rodney was who we were talking about doing the DeMammoth. But the point is, Because Truitt was locked up on that last one, and that was just a 50K. So they can be tough. But in general, where you get into, like, I think the real physical challenge, you know, I'm not, I can't lump everybody into the same. Yeah, I just, my problem with a 50K is I think you can do it with no training. Yeah.

You can go get it done. I know because I have. If you have a long, if you have, you know, but here's the thing, like, because we were talking about this when you shut the bed in Winaha. We're like, you are above average. You, you've done ultras. You've filmed me for an entire year in the mountains. Yeah. You've trained.

You lift. You train. And still, it was hard. Yeah. So you're above average and it's hard. It's, yeah. So, I mean, theoretically, could you do with no training? Yeah.

that's going to suck. It's going to really suck. But you could make 30 miles. Yeah, for sure you can. I think you just got to you'll just yeah, you got to tough it out. So then you get to the hundred. Like we did Leadville this year and a hundred mile distance. It used to be like we'd say, oh, it wasn't really an ultra just joking. This isn't like giving any credence to this statement. But we say, ah, it doesn't really count unless it's 100, right? It's not really an ultra. That wasn't true because I did a lot of ultras that I still can count. But, that 100, as I said on the shit talkers, was the Holy Grail. And to get a hundred mile or done at that time was one of the hardest things you could ever do in life.

You know, that has changed. Now, a hundred miles or is one night. Generally, you want to try to get it done in 24 hours. And, you know, Western States made this famous on their belt buckle. It says 100 miles one day. And it has a mountain lion on it. And that is like an Olympic gold medal to an ultra runner 100 miles in one day. So to get that, you have to finish in under 24 hours.

If you can do 100 miles and under 24 hours, that's a legit effort. Yeah. Right. So that was always the goal. Not too many people are going to the hospital after 100. But it happens. I remember at Western, there's a stud from right here. He beat me at a shotgun one year.

We ran hard. and I got second. He won. But he ran Western and I think was in the top 10 and dropped it 93 from heat and was in the hospital for five days and I think having seizures. So 100-mileers are not without risk. Now, much different and much lower risks, I think, than the multi-day races. The multi-day races that if you go to David Goggins page,

he just did Moab 240. It's a 240-mile race. He's about as tough as they come. When he was getting towards a 200-mile mark or a little past 200, they thought he was going to have to drop. They thought there was too much of a health risk. He had all sorts of shit going wrong. This is David Goggins.

Rodney was held up at 207 with low oxygen, the blood oxygen level and his brain was down around 55 and Gaggins was down. I think they said 73. Well, I remember when Courtney did going for the Colorado Trail record when I ran with her for 26 hours and she was really struggling at that time and had something going on. but her oxygen level of brain was 85. And the doctor at that time said that, you know, I think the question was,

hey, could she get rehydrated and get back out there? And he's like, well, I mean, they said, what could happen? They said, or he said, well, she could die on the trail. That was at 85. So these are some of the toughest people in the world. Yeah. And there is real risk with multi-day high elevation pushing your body, pushing your nutrition, getting dried out. All that being exhausted, weird decision-making.

I think, you know, David was disoriented, stumbling around. Again, David Goggins. This isn't a guy from down the street. No. This is, I mean, I mean, I think people have said the toughest mother-fri-to ever walk the earth. Yeah. Okay.

I think people get hung up on like the mental toughness thing, you know, mind over body. And it's like, yeah, that is true. But there is a very serious wall that you get to. And David's a great example because he is the poster child for mind over body. Yeah. It's like there is a wall where it's like your body will shut down. Yeah. Granted, I don't think most people get anywhere close to it.

Fuck no. But no, no, they don't. I'm just worried that just like Rodney, as I said last time, he's very tough. Can you be too tough? Can you push too hard? And is somebody going to die? I mean, I know that that woman died at Hard Rock this year. I think that was a heart thing.

And she was 60. She'd done a lot of ultras and his terrible tragedy. Was that more age related? Because I think it was because that's, you know, shorter race it's 100 and whatever but that was early in the race too so it makes me feel like it wasn't like one of these being exhausted and in just all these things adding up um but is is somebody like and i told rodney today and i think you said on his post that he put that he the race took more out of him than he got and he verified that today i talked to him i said yeah dude i said i was i was worried about you

And I said, we talked about you on the podcast. And his wife said, yeah, I heard that. And I'm glad you did. And it's just, I know everybody wants that glory. And I know it's a huge and it could change your life. You know, I said that even on my Kocodona film is we got all these people that are being critical of, yeah, it's stupid to do that. You're hurt.

You had your broken foot. You're this and that. You're old, whatever. You say all this shit about me. And that's, you're right. But as I said at the end of that film is, yeah. but I did it and my whole world has changed and you're still on the couch. So I'm kind of like almost celebrating that, yeah, we doesn't matter what happened.

We're going to get it done. That worked out for me that time. There's going to be a time where it doesn't work out for somebody or for me. And maybe maybe we are too tough for our own good. So what's the answer? What like I what I told Rodney tonight is, you know, I talked about this last time is It took me years before I did my first hundred. It took me, you know, four years from 2005 to 2009.

I finally did 100. I did Big Horn and I finished in 29 hours and it was miserable and I was dehydrated and I was down to 153 pounds. It just so dried out. I just couldn't even function. But I got the finish. Then the next year I came back to West, right, I ran Western and I finished in 22 hours. So a seven hour improvement.

and it's still very hard, but I was doing way better. Well, my first 200 was 2016. So now I'd been running ultras for 11 years from 2005 to 2016. And I got 8th at Bigfoot, was leading for a lot of it, blew up. Point is 11 years of running the mountains after a lifetime of already running, other shorter races and stuff, but 11 years before I did a 200. So am I saying that everybody should have to grind it out for 11 years?

No, I'm not. I'm just saying it takes a long time if you're young, if you're in your 20s, for your body to adapt to the mountains to take on a 200 multi-day, 200-mile multi-day race. Yeah. I also think too is people get worried of like, okay, well, I'm, you know, late 20s,

I'm going to be 30. Like, I'm going to lose my athletic prime. But with these ultras, you get better as you get a little bit older because you're tougher. Yeah, I think you're your best in like probably your 40s. I mean, yeah, there's some younger freaks out there. Like Dan Green. Well, Killian's a little older now, but Dan Green think he's young and he won Cocoa. I was talking about Korth.

Oh, Killing Korth. Yeah. How old is he? He's young. Yeah, he's really young. I don't know. So, yeah, there are some outlier. Yeah. And but let's not focus on the outliers because not everybody's Courtney, not everybody's killing, not everybody's Dan Green, or Rachel Intrican, who's, you know, you look at these people like Rachel, she came across, uh, what she won mammoth, right? Or Moab. Moab. Was it Moab? No, mammoth. Mammoth. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah. She won mammoth. And you'd see her come through and you'd be like, wow, this can't be that hard. Look at this.

look at this girl she just crush it and i think like even rodney said she had finished had slept and was making pancakes at the aid station when he was still like had a long way to go so when you see like somebody like that you're like well how hard could it be yeah really hard she's just a freak yeah don't compare yourself to to rachel Courtney any of these guys right because chess is are you're not them. Yeah. You might be at some point, but not right now for most people. Um, how do you know, though? Yeah. What I say, and this is what I've told Rodney, um, I mentioned it. It's like, because I asked him tonight, I said, have you ever, have you ever like done good at 100? Have you crushed 100? He goes, no, no. I said, okay. I think that's a good thing.

most people, they do their hundred. They kind of like me at Bigfoot, just survive it. It's just like, you don't know if you're going to finish or not. You're just trying to fucking survive this shit. But you do. Was you just surviving it getting eighth place? No, no, that was Bigfoot. But Bigfoot, or not Bigfoot.

Big Horn. Big Horn. Yeah, okay. Was just surviving 29 hours, right? But then I came back and I kind of raced Western 22 hours. So I think surviving 100 does not put you in good position to do a 200. No. It tells me you're not fucking ready.

Yeah. And who am I to say you're not ready? I'm not going to tell Rodney. I don't know if you, maybe I would because I like him and I care about him. But maybe I would say I don't know about a 200 right now. But also we're men. Right. I don't like people telling me what the to do.

It's like, oh, yeah, cool. Why don't you keep it to yourself? I didn't ask you. And that's fine. And that's if I would have said that and he would have said that to me, I'd be like, yeah, cool. Yeah. That's, that's you're right. I think you should be able to race 100 before you do 200.

And if you can't, you need more time. Yep. You need. So there's something, and there's something, when I see somebody with mountain legs, I'm like, person's been in the mountains a lot. If I see somebody and they don't have mountain legs, I'm like,

are we ready for this? Because you can tell. Yeah, oh, for sure. You can tell. And to get your legs in mountain, like what I'm thinking, like, I remember,

okay, here's a good example. I had Truitt and Tanner run the Coburg half marathon when they were two years old, probably. But I remember this guy, Oh, it was actually the guy who went in, was, I think he was in the hospital after Western. Oh.

I think it was Dan Olmsted. I'm pretty sure. But anyway, I think he won the Coburg half or maybe he was a full, but we did the half, something like that. But I remember he went up to get his award and we were there like the park and Coburg. And I remember he went up to get his award and his legs were solid veins. I mean, fucking veins everywhere. And I was just like looking at this guy. going, holy shit.

What the, is that guy? That's like horse legs. Yeah. Well, that's what a fucking takes. And that takes years. Yeah. It takes years. So I'm just saying if I can see legs or whatever and, you know, I don't know, there's,

there's people who are really good or probably just skinny or look skinny, don't look like freaks. But for the most part, I can usually tell. somebody who's been in the mountains a lot. And I think that's just a sign, but it's also your body adapts, right? Your body adapts to elevation. I think a big hurdle we have to overcome here is we live at 400 feet.

We're running Leadville, and I don't know what it got up to, 13,000? Yeah. A lot different. Luckily, that was only 100. If I'm going from here at 400 feet elevation and I'm running a multi-day race at 10,000 to 13,000, it's going to be a big test.

It's a big deal. But I go to the mountains quite a bit. I've been to Leadville plenty of times to run with Courtney. I do Diamond Peak here, which only gets up to 85, but it's real mountains. Yeah. And there's just you have to expose yourself to this high altitude, pushing when you're exhausted, the big miles, big miles. on dead legs, hydrating right, fueling right, salt right, everything has to be right.

Your mind has to be right. And if, and to get that to that position for most people, I'm not putting everybody in the same box, most people, it might take a decade. I think that's super fair. I mean, look at Kokadona. It's like that was a stacked field in a third of the people ended up in the hospital. Yeah. That's what that nurse said.

Yeah. So to me it seems a little bit arrogant to be like, especially if you're kind of newer, to be like it's not going to be me. Yeah. 30 people had to go to ER from Kocodona at a 300. Was it just 10%? I thought he said 30%. Oh, well, no.

Yeah. Well, shit. Now, anyway. A lot of people. A lot of people. Whatever it was, it was a lot of people. And these are, this is a stacked field, as you said. This isn't just like, this isn't the turkey trot.

The 5K we talked about. This is the best of the best. And it was taking them out. I mean, Max Jolliffe ended up in the hospital. Yeah. Well, I don't think Jesse Haynes did, but he dropped and he had won Moab the year before Max did. Courtney, of course. Michael, not McKnight.

No. No, he didn't do it. The guy that's from there. Oh, oh, prestige. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah, he dropped.

Yeah. And he won it. He won coconut in the first year. Yeah. So this isn't just like people that aren't ready. No. No, they were as ready as anybody on the planet gets. Professional.

Professional runners. Yeah. And DNFed. Yeah. So who are you to think you just show up, right? And I'm not, I'm not talking, Roddy, this isn't you. I'm, we're on the same team. Yeah.

Love Roddy. So this, I'm just talking in general. When I say you, that's, that could be me. Yeah. Right. Who do I think I? Royal you. Right.

Yeah. And it's just like, I just, I know. I mean, I know what to draw on the allure is and I get it. And I'm on your side. I'm there. I'm just worried. I don't. And I talked about.

I talked about the bow hunters who got struck by lightning and died in the back country in Colorado. And all they wanted to do is be a badass bow hunter that killed a bull. Right. I know people just want to be a 200 mile guy. They want to come across that line. They want to get the accolades of, oh, my God, you ran 240, 50, whatever miles. You're amazing. People want that feedback.

But we've got to be careful. You've got to think about this. What's that stake? You know, there's a lot at stake. Yeah. Tons. And for what? Really?

You know, I think a majority of the people are not going to be fighting for top 10. No. You know, so not to. It could change our life, you know, because it can give you confidence that you can overcome anything. If you can do that, I get it. Just build up a little bit. Yes. Yeah.

I'm not telling you don't. No, no. It's, I just get so, I just get so worried. And it's like, and it's not people, because I'm talking about people who may be quite aren't ready, but it takes out Goggins and Courtney. It takes out the best of the fucking best, too. Yeah. Well, and I think too right now with social media is it's a big thing.

Fitness, obviously, is becoming super popular. But like you said, the ultra thing is really growing. And some people are like this, unfortunately, I think this is, you know, you're not doing it for the right reasons. but if I do this, I will get followers. Maybe, yeah. And, you know, I know it is because I've seen people that, like, that is their whole shtick, is they're going from not being a runner to doing these really hard ultras.

Not to talk shit about this guy. He seems really nice. But there's a guy who is not a runner who started and his whole thing is from couch to Cocoaona. That is what he had named it. I don't see that being successful. No. I mean, unless he's talking about this year coming up.

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It's a long way, but I don't, do you understand like Kokadona is 10 marathons? Go run one. Run one. Let me know how you feel. Tell me you're going to go run nine more. in the mountains. Yeah.

In the rain, in the heat. It's sometimes alone at dark. Oh, a lot of times. Yeah. A lot of times it's, it's, so I just don't, I just don't think people and maybe part of it is our fault. Maybe it's like, I feel like we do a good job capturing. But even the cocautona film, what was it, 30 minutes?

Right. I was out there 84 hours. So there's a lot that wasn't captured on film. That wasn't great. And I wasn't feeling good. And it was dicey. So don't, you can't judge it on these films. Because even it, Leadville seemed like, I don't even, we were barely kind of tired.

Maybe like one time I said, oh, that hurts or I need something to drink. But it's a, how long was that? 18 minutes, 13 minutes or no. Oh, it was 18. 18. Yeah. Yeah. So you're just getting.

And I've, even with hunting, we do this too. It's like you go on a 10 day hunt. when it was on the outdoor channel was 22 minutes. And I was kind of a pet peeve of mind when people say when they'd say, oh, you're hunting for the wrong reasons. I'm like, who the fuck are you? Yeah. You don't make the rules on why people can hunt.

So it reminded me that when you said that they're running for the wrong reasons. But if they are and you bring it up, think about it. If you're not, ignore what James said. F him, he's an idiot. He doesn't know what you talk about. but if only you know, you're listening to this, you know if you're doing it because you want attention. Right.

If that's you, if you're listening, we don't know that, but you know that. Think about it. Yeah. Just that's all. That's the only reason why I'm talking about. Just think about it. If you're 100% this is what I was born to do, great.

Then get 100% ready. If you're having any. reservations, I'd just give it a little bit of time. Hey guys, you can go do that 100-miler or the 50-mile. Yeah. You know, I don't know. And to be fair, like at Kocodona at the start, the energy, I was ready to go run through a brick wall. It's like, I want to do this. Everybody. You know, I even thought that. I was like, this would be cool to do. And then slow, just go to one. Try and stay awake. It's like, you're going to be tired. And then you'll be like, maybe this isn't for me. Yeah. It's, uh, there's, uh, there's. a big difference between staying awake, like, let's stay up all night, up on night, let's stay up

on night when you're a little fucking dirty kid, you know, with B.O. And when you're 50 in the middle of the night out there, you can't lift your legs because you're fucking exhausted or you're, or whatever. So it's fine. It's, it's, it's all good. I mean, we're not, we're not the, the council. We don't make decisions on who can do this. And, who can do that. I just want to be honest about very risky. You're pushing your body past where your body should probably be pushed. And I just, I want it to work. I want it to work out. I don't, I didn't like worrying about Rodney and thinking, what the fuck would happen if something happened to him? Yeah. And it gets scary. You're tracking them and you see that they're, you know,

at an aid station for a long while. And it's like, well, I remember with Max, at Coca- Kodonit was like he's been there for a while then the next time I updated it he's at the hospital and I'm like I know well and you look at their pace yeah and normally you want to be three four miles an hour even later in the race you know you're even if you're walking it's like a 3.1 you can see the pace on these live trackers right when they're down at one mile an hour it's not good no and that happens yeah that does that happens and those those miles aren't clicking by very fast That's kind of the other thing too is like it's not a video game. When you DNF or you get to an aid station and they pull you, the pain doesn't just go away.

No. It's not, oh, the race is over. I'm fine again. No. You then have to deal with the consequences of what you just put your body through. Right. So I don't know. I think a lot of people are like, oh, I'll just fail.

It's okay. Yeah. It might be okay. Might not. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I don't know. I don't know.

I love seeing the sport grow. I love seeing, you know, and we talked about, you know, bow hunting on the other bonus podcast we did. I love seeing bow hunting grow. I love seeing ultraringo. I love the grow. I love the excitement for it. But it's not all good.

Yeah. It's not all good. Yeah. There is some risk. Yeah, we're not. Just to recap. Love that people are getting into it. Maybe just spend a little more time defining your skills, you know,

sharpening your iron in the sport. before you go throw yourself into the deep end. That's what I'm doing. I'm waiting on my decade. That's why I haven't run it $250. You would have done it. Yeah. I mean, well, I had to work.

Do you think? Oh, yeah. You probably would have won Kocodona. Do you think? I mean, my category. Dan, come on, we've done really good. I don't think there's any editing. Okay.

I don't think there's any editing. So I'm just going to let that go. Okay. Your category is, we love your category. Do we accept your category? It's a great category. It's probably one of the most amazing categories, maybe ever. And it's your category is seen.

Yeah. Okay? You're seen. I'm seen. I feel seen. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

Let's do it. Hey, let's be, I don't know. How about this? Let's be badass ultra runners and badass bow hunters. Perfect. But it was just big steps. Okay. Cake pumpkin.

Oh, I forgot a shoutout. Okay. Here's another shout out. Courtney DeWalter, Minnesota Twin Cities Marathon, 249. Pretty good. Pretty damn good. So what I said is if you can running a 249 in your first one, Olympic trials is 237 for women. And then I see she signed up for

CIM. I said, if you can run 26, 630s, which is, that's what 249 is, you can also do six minute miles. And that would be Olympic trials. God, how sick would that be? I, She never said that's her goal. I said that's my goal for her. She didn't even acknowledge it. Well, do you remember the last time you said a goal for her? I do. I do.

So I just love how, yeah, she's just a bad, I mean, obviously, number one fan. But yeah. So then another, on that note, Rachel Interkin, who we've talked about, who won mammoth, she wants to come on. She said she has a lot of shit to talk. So I'm like, hey, it's all love. It's all love. Let's do it.

Eli Wibby, I think is his last name from L.A. He just did Moab. He's coming. Andy Glaze, he just sent me a message to. We're going to get him here. Yeah, we got, so it's going to be an ultra-running extravagance. Yeah, you guys won't have to listen to me. Yeah.

So much. It's been a. But why do people love shit talkers? I have no idea. Are you guys retarded? Are you guys what? Who are we talking to? We're pandering to the retards.

I guess so. I mean, there's a lot. I didn't know there's that many retards. We got a fucking, we got, we own that market. We got the demographic tightened up. Maybe I need to stand up and just like pull on my wieners now with retards. Okay. Now we're going to have that.

You know how when you're a little kid, you just wear a T-shirt and no underwear and you're just kind of pulling your, your dick out? Is that? I mean, because. Could I do that? And that would be like, people watch it and be like, all right. Anyway, God, it was going so good, too. I know. What happened?

I have to make announcements. Otherwise, I'll get fired. Okay. Macy, you can dim the lights. Hi, folks. Hi. I'm Gideon, and I'm here to let you know that we're launching our first giveaway of the holiday season. And it's an elk hunt in Utah.

Hey, you know what, though? We're giving away, I think, like three elk hunts this year. We're giving away like 125 grand in prizes. I thought you were going to say cash. Oh, worth of hunts. Could I have that? Well, how do I get down this? When we say we?

Yeah. Is that me? So where the fuck did I get this money? When the fuck did we get ice cream? You're giving away. Oh, no. You're giving away your house. Oh, sweet.

Yeah, you guys thought the truck was good. Yeah. We're giving away the house. The house and the shop and the gym and it's all yours. Yeah. And we're giving away, I won't make her edit. Okay, good. We're also giving away Kawasaki again.

Oh, side by side. Yep. And a lift, run, shoot experience with yours truly. Well, with... Is it with me? Yours truly. Yeah. I have to do that with Jen Pop.

I don't think Jen Pop. I think we're just giving it. it away for one person okay yeah so they get a common they're gonna train with me i think so good job not acknowledging that um okay so they're gonna come and lift run shoot huh yeah and just a regular person it says we're giving away okay no it just says a lift run shoot experience so i think people can sign up and get entered okay well let me just let me just say If you come and lift, good job. If you arrive at my house and we lift run, shoot, you were going to hate it.

I'm just, you will hate most of that day. But you're invited. They can do Gideon's version. Okay. Swimming. Yeah. Water toys. Right.

Okay. Chips and salsa. Lots of pool noodles. Okay. Yeah. So, hey, we're going to give one away, I guess. But you'll hate it. It is not going to be a fun experience.

But you're invited. Yeah. And yeah, you might win. Listen, and to be fair, if I bought something thinking I was going to win a truck and I got that, I'd be pretty pissed. What the what the what's going on? This is bullshit. Yeah, I think we're going to have to really make sure they need. know what they're signing up for. Yeah. But hey, I mean, no matter what, we're going to, so my goal

when I have like usually it's like athletes or whoever, I don't know who comes here, bow hunters, I guess sometimes. But my goal is all fighters. My goal is always, I want it to be the hardest thing they've ever done, no matter who it is. So if it's you and you haven't done like crazy, we're just going to do like a little more than you've done. So don't, if you've run three miles, maybe we'll run five miles. That's it. So I'm not, I'm kind of joking around. Yeah, we're joking. We wanted to be just joking folks. Yeah, we want it to be positive. Um, yeah. I mean, I know, I think you sold it really well. Yeah. We're not trying to tie her dick in a nod or anything cool. The vivid imagery. I don't have to fly. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was like, I put up, God, is so, did you see that little clip I put up? LaTradic? No, about tying your dick in a knot. Hey, Joe just texted me. What the hell did he say? Oh, let's see. No.

So here's my, what I put up. What the, hold on. It's kind of shit you'd hear when he's hanging around an old man and somebody to ask him advice on something serious. And I just remember being 10 or 11 years old just thing. there thinking, man, I can't even fold this motherfucker I guy. Y'all can tell y'all's in a knot. Man, life ain't fair. You know, you don't understand what you're hearing at the time. Because then they pop off with some philosophical shit. Like, hey, if it's got tires, tracks, or tits, rent it. You don't want your problems having to bite.

You don't know what you're learning at the time. You don't. I have people asking all the time, like, man, where do you come up with this shit? I didn't come up with it. This shit I learned growing up around groups of old men that usually stood around holding something like a natural ice or Coors banquet. something with some depth to it. They'd just be standing around fixing shit or burning shit. And you don't know it at the time, but you learn how to deal with fire, fix a lawnmower motor.

Then you learn philosophical things from them old bastards. And everybody just thinks it's funny. But it's true. It's absolutely true. So now, you know, I just give them back to y'all. And then when my kid asked me something and he tries to tell me what to do, I just look at him, be like, who's fucking this chicken? You hold the wings.

And he don't. Who's fucking this chicken? See, that's good stuff. That is good stuff. Right? So I don't only know what the point was, but that's what you might leave here with after your lift or shoot experience.

Yeah, you never know. That's my goal. Yeah. So we got a bunch of new products coming out too. Over to Cameronhaines.com. Death. What is the symptoms? Maybe death.

Who's holding these wings? Okay. Well, that's all the public service announcements. We have. The PDA or no, PSA. PSA. PDA is public display of affection. Yeah. Well, we're not going to do that. Unless we're tired of dick and a knot. All right, guys. Keep hammering. Keep hammering. Keep stammering. Stammerin. Stammerin. Later. that hate it fuels my pace i am roy tough i am the change the fuel in dirt feeling like cam hans oh give me the mods nobody wants i'll give me my heart i care me to work give me a breakable

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