Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 153 - Eli Wehbe

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

Eli Wehbe - ultra-endurance runner and former Hollywood nightlife entrepreneur. After leaving the club scene, he transformed his life through fitness, completing the Cocodona 250-mile race in 2025 (30th overall) and training for the Arizona Monster 300. He shares his journey of resilience, discipline, and self-discovery via Instagram (@eliwehbe) and his memoir Mask. Join us for a conversation about ultra running, recovering from being at rock bottom, social media strategy in running, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes  Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/  Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com  Follow Eli: https://www.instagram.com/eliwehbe/  Timestamps: 00:00:00  From Nightclubs to Running an Ultra Marathon with David Goggins 00:05:53  Moab 240: The Will to Keep Pushing 00:07:57  The Love of Ultra Running & Being a “Run-Fluencer” 00:10:41  Connections with Celebrities from the Nightclub 00:12:55  Los Angeles “Dreams” & Sobriety  00:17:16  Andy Glaze, Social Media Fame: A Passion Project 00:25:21  Having a “Look” to Stand Out: The IT Factor 00:28:17  Upcoming Runners, Eli’s Dad, and David Goggins 00:36:20  Rock Bottom for Eli Wehbe 00:48:18  You Can Fight Your Way out of Rock Bottom 00:51:02  Eli’s First 100 Mile, Running on a Broken Toe, & Cocodona 00:57:42  Eli’s Training Regimine  01:02:09  From Vegan to Eating Meat 01:03:22  Lift. Run. Shoot., Messages on Social Media, and Podcasts 01:08:45  Starting a Run Club & Future Goals 01:12:20  Impacting Others to Live a Better Life 01:14:16  Believing in a Higher Power 01:17:09  Eli’s Old Misconceptions About Hunting 01:18:53  Eli’s Connection with Andy Frisella 01:22:13  Expensive Cars & Designer Clothes 01:28:50  Eli’s Connection with Bradley Martyn 01:31:21  Final Thoughts   Thank you to our sponsors: LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off

Every step I take, I move my truth. Every time they tell me stop, I use. Every comment hate that makes my feel. Gather up my energy and boom. I hear them talking, saying the way that I move is so reckless. That is a part of my mind I've been blessed with. Giving my blood so I am relentless. This is a Keep Hammering Collective with Eli Weeby.

What's up? What's up, dude? Did I say it right? You did. Okay. We made it happen. I'm here. I cannot.

Okay. So I was telling somebody earlier, you are a hustler. Did you know that? Yeah, I like to grind. Yeah, no, but it's like, hey, we talk about, hey, you should come on the podcast. You're like, I'll be there in five minutes. Correct. I mean, you are here.

Yeah. And I love it because that's me. It's like, I don't want to talk about shit. Let's just get it done. Let's do it. Yeah. But, Eli, dude, it's, you know, I've been following you. You're, I don't know.

Do you live in L.A.? I mean, you're like, the L.A. guy. Might be the only L.A. guy doing like these crazy ultras. I don't really think there's, there might be some. some guys in there, but I feel like I'm like the more notable guy doing it. Yeah, yeah. Definitely. I mean, but you got the look. You got, I mean, the big personality. How'd you get in Ultras? Man, I got into running like in 2018. I was like running a nightclub at that time and kind of got into running to clear my head and I loved it. And I was just like, man, I feel like alive doing this

stuff. And I felt like so disconnected from that world and I was enjoying it more than what I was doing. But that was my bread and butter. So I was like, I'm never going to make career out of this stuff. And then went through a rock bottom situation, got accused of things that I never did, wrote a whole book on it, became a bestseller, and got into the ultra running stuff, read like 30 books in like four months. I had never read one full book in my life until that time in like 2020. And then wrote my book and started running 100 mile weeks and did my first ultra in January of 2021,

of 50K, cold water rumble. Really? And that's where it all started. Okay. Well, so it's like the running was like a rebirth type thing. Just like you needed, what, you needed to reset? It was like a full reinvention. Yeah.

I think the shit needs to be studied because I literally, I actually just got a message today as someone was just like, yo, I'm just so impressed of like, you started from complete scratch and have like risen so high in what you're doing already like you were in nightlife and it's just super impressive. Yeah. No. Are you out of the nightclub scene? Completely.

Okay. Yeah. So what do you do for work now? I'm just run. This is it. Sponsors, brand deals. Really? Yeah.

Oh, that's sick. Yeah. Well, because you have a good following. Like, what are you at now? I'm at like almost 530K. Okay. They're just bumping up. I'm coming for you, dude.

Coming for you, man. Well, hey. You also, I think from the night close stuff, you know how to leverage. Like, I was a very good. Yeah. You were with Goggins. That always helps. That gives you.

That gives everybody a bump, right? Yeah, that was pretty, you know, it's funny before I went into that race. I was like, have a feeling going to end up running like some crazy amount of mileage with him? Because I had a feeling we're going to finish around the same time. And my goal was to finish 72 hours at Moab. Yeah. And I had a feeling he was going to finish around that time. And we somehow ended up finishing at 84 hours at the same time.

But yeah, I guess I sparked up the combo telling him I was cool with you. And that's how it all started. Yeah, that video, that you guys did that video. That was so bad. dude that got over a million views i think it's at like 2.2 million now almost like 90 000 likes i just looked at it that is nice you know what it reminded me of is in 2008 i got a picture over there lance armstrong was going to run boston yeah and i like of course he didn't know who i was and i'm like okay i'm going to run with lance and get a picture and that it reminded me of like you knew gougain's

going to be there goggins you didn't know gougain's before and he didn't know you right right right yeah so it was almost like you you put you manifest it this. You know, I manifested that happening. You manifested running with Goggins. Yeah. I literally told my girlfriend before you got there, I was like, I have some weird feeling that I'm going to end up running like a good part of this race with him and I'm going to connecting with him. We talked for a little bit before like I had like posted that video. Okay. I first, we were talking for a while and he was just like, I was just like, yeah, my buddy said he ran like 90 miles. You last race. You're a nice guy. He's like, yeah, I'm a nice guy. I'm just, I don't like to talk a lot, you know? And then, yeah. But then he would

like chime in if like I was talking to someone else some guy was like you I live in Canada he's like I jump I jump those motherfuck still you know he starts going off of that and he would just chime in he's like I still do that shit yeah firefighting and like he would just pop in here and there but he was super nice and then we ended up running I'd say five six miles together like back forth he was behind me like every time I'd come into the aid he'd come into the aid and then it was like like mile 26 is when like we got together and then chat it up a bit and then I was like yo should we send camera video he goes yeah fuck yeah let's do it oh cool yeah I knew you were gonna be amped up on it like what I heard what he said I was like oh yeah he's gonna love this no that that was sick so yeah

I mean so you leveraged basically that that had to blow you up right yeah it was dope I mean after hearing what he had said and like his message not just that but just like the whole moab you being with him you kind of finishing with those photos you know yeah the ending was crazy and seeing how hyped up he was at the end that I was chasing him down it was like like I told you candace set on his destination trail. She was just like, yo, thank you because,

like, we thought for sure he was going to walk in there straight dead face and walk out. And he was like, I've never seen him smile like this. He was hyped up.

And yeah, I just kind of said what up to him and I kind of tried to walk off from there. And he kept calling me back over to talk and that's all those clips came about. Those things are all over TikTok and the internet, just as talking shit.

I love it. Yeah, it was great. It was, you couldn't ask for a better ending. No, that was amazing. So what did you think of Moab?

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Seymour Hunt harder. Ah, man, it was brutal. That was probably like the, that was my third year doing it. And just the storms and the flash floods and the sticky mud. But, you know, I knew when I was out there, I was like, dude, just, just stay out here for a couple days you and get it over with and it would just be a great story at the end.

I actually kept looking at the tracker. I'm like, let's see if this motherfucker Gagin's drop. And I was like, he didn't drop and I know like he's ahead of me and I was like, I'm going to catch him. And he didn't drop and I was like, all right, I'm not dropping.

I was like, I was looking for a reason. You know, it was like, let me see if the toughest motherfucker on this course dropped. And he did not drops. Then maybe I'm like, uh, can make something up here.

Get out of here. Isn't it crazy how creative you can get in your head? Like, it hurts so bad. And normally you sit right here, you'd say, I never quit. I would never quit. I'll never quit a race. When you're in the race, there's a thousand reasons to quit. Correct.

It's so hard. I thought of like, I kept like telling my pacer and we got in this section and took us like nine hours that should have taken us like three and a half hours. It was all just sliding and mud. It was worse than, it was almost worse than Coco. And I was like, yo, dude, I'm done. Like I was not even a race anymore. I can't run.

And then the second we are like a mile out, I was able to run again. ran like, I think like a six, 37 minute pace at the end. And we got there and then we were on that like that 26 mile stretch. And I was like, yo, if there's mud throughout this whole thing, I'm for sure quitting, you know? And then we got there and started and I just, I forgot about it. Yeah. I bitched him for like nine hours. Like nine hours. He just said, he was gone. Like literally. And then I like at the end I go, yeah, sorry about that, dude. Let's keep going. Yeah. I had, I had some moments in the mud at coconut where I was just like, this is so irritating. All you want to do is run.

And you can't. Yeah, yeah. And you're just like, you're just bitching your head about it. I didn't come here, just walking mud. Like, what am I doing here? And you're looking at your pace on your watch going, what? It's like 40 minute per mile sometimes. I'm never going to get this thing done. Yeah. And eventually it gets done. Like you just keep looking. You're like, there's no time. Doom, doom, doom. And yeah, I'm with you on that. What, uh, okay. So what do you love most about the ultracine? I kind of like that everyone's there for the same reason. I think like majority of the people that get to that start line aren't looking for that win. They're just kind of looking to see how far they can push their limits. Yeah. Like what is that limit? It's a personal test. Yeah.

And I kind of like that. A lot of people, you know, I've been sober five and a half years now. Like I run into so many sober people. A lot of people that are addicts. Like everyone's just kind of the same vibe. I will say like the running scene is getting a little, it's getting a little L.A. A lot of shit talking going on. A lot of this and a lot of that. A lot of judgment. But I mean, what industry doesn't have it. But it didn't. Once it gets big. Yeah. And it's getting big. Yeah, that happens. I mean, when it's kind of grassroots, everybody's like pretty chill.

It's all good. But yeah, once there starts getting attention, money, yeah, mostly attention of money, that does it. Well, then it comes into like, you know, the guys that are really good at running that don't get any, that don't get any shine. Yeah. And then you got these. I've said that before too. And you get the social media guys that are getting all the shine and these guys aren't. But, you know, I've said this before even on Sally's podcast.

Like you've got to market yourself. Yeah, definitely. You have to. There's just like you can't, you can't just be a good runner and then expect to have all this, all this fame and all this shine. And then you can't be mad about it if they're doing it, but they're putting in the work to do the social media stuff. And, you know, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah.

No, it's true. It falls into that where he's like this run fluencer. The elites, like the Olympians, have a fraction of the followers and attention because, you have to play that game. I mean, he's, he plays the game well. Yeah. You know, running into the jeans and, and, you know, still hitting like fast times. And it's funny. I actually just follow over whatever you posts about him. I don't know him personally. Yeah. It's impressive. He does a lot impressive stuff. Yeah. It's, uh, yeah, I, I want the ultra, you know, there's, there's runners like Rachel, no sponsors. It's just like how? Oh, the girl that just, uh, yeah, just one. Yeah.

It's like, she's one, I think 20. That was a mammoth. you're talking about right yeah yeah okay she's won like 20 some she won coca donut correct i remember that yeah and she's won like 20 some races in a row and not sponsored so i'm like and she's gonna come on she said she's really good at shit talking so i'm like let's do it let's bring it on let's go baby let's let's let's talk some shit so she's gonna come on but uh yeah i you know there's these there's these people out there who are so amazing on what they do and it's you got to make money off of it got to be able to play the game a little bit i I know it. I agree. You know, and I think like you said, from my like nightlife pass, I was very good.

I was connected to a lot of celebrities and influencers and I was the guy bringing all these people in. So like I already knew how to network and mend friendships with with anybody. Yeah. Like I was just good at that. And I think I just- How'd you get good at that? I mean, how did you get into, because there's pressure in that too. If you don't fill up the club. Oh, I was really good at it. I was like the best at it. How? Why? I was at a good mouth on me. You know, my dad had a good mouth on him. So I think I took after him and I moved out to LA when I was like 20 years old and just like

finagled my way into like working the first club and like I don't take no for an answer. Like I'll just keep at it. I mean, even coming on the podcast like, you know. Yeah. Is it Rihanna? Rihanna hit me up and then like we'd just go M.A. And I'm like, yo. And then I would just send a screenshot of what you said. And I'm like, yo, let's get this moving.

You know? We play good cop, bad cop. Yeah. She's always a bad cop. Yeah. Well, I already know it's probably you taking some time to get back to her. So she didn't have an answer. No, for sure.

I'm like gone hunting and shit. Yeah, that's right. She doesn't want to bug me. Correct. Yeah. So I figured that. Wasn't, nothing was intentional for sure.

But if I see an opportunity, I don't let it go. Like, I don't just like sit back on it. Like, I'm very persistent with whatever I want and what I'm going to do. And then if I say I'm going to do something, I do it.

Like, it just doesn't miss. So like I told myself when I was 20, like, I'm going to like partner or own an operating night club by the time was 28 and I did it. And like I just started from the bottom, worked my way up, became probably like one of the most notable people in L.A. that had every big celebrity you can think of from like Bieber to Kevin Hart to Paras Hilton or whatever.

You know a lot of these guys too, like Travis Barker and all these people. Like I knew everybody. They came through me when they went out. And I always knew that there was something more for me outside of that world. Like it never felt right to me. Did it feel empty or like? It felt very empty. Okay.

Yeah. So like I always felt like I was doing drugs. and drinking to basically fit in with that crowd. Right. Right. So it wasn't like I had the issue. It was more of like I wanted to fit in and just kind of do what everyone is doing.

I felt like that was my way in with connecting with everybody. And then I got hooked on to doing drugs and drinking all the time because of that. But yeah, it's a much better place on this side. Yeah. Where did you come from at 20 years old? Where'd you grow up? Marino Valley, California.

It's in Riverside and the Inland Empire. Do you know where it is? I know Riverside. There's Riverside Archery. I know that. Yeah, well, because I mean, like all those dirt bike guys, you know, they live like probably like 45 minutes more like in Temecula. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All those guys, they live right over there. Oh, that's cool. So you just, so it was just because you're in California, L.A. is a spot. You're like, I'm going to get to L.A. and make it. Yeah, that's kind of how it went down.

I was dating, I was dating a chick that was a teacher and a stripper that lived in L.A. When I was 17 years old. I've seen that movie. Yeah. When I was 17 years old and I used to. to go out there and see her and then we would pop into a club here and there. And then that thing all fell apart, obviously. That fairy tale comes to an end.

And the strippers are usually not like the long term relationship. I don't know. You know, she put the wig on when she went to school to be the teacher, you know, so they wouldn't figure it out. But they figured her out pretty fast. So, yeah, that's how that whole thing started. And I, I like just, that was also another problem. I put, I put my job in front of everything in front of my, in front of my family, in front of my

girlfriend, in front of everything. And I became the best at it. I mean, that's usually what you need to do. But it was in a wrong lane, in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. There's not a healthy one. Correct. It's like, it's like an endless chase in that world. What's the next car? What's the next house? What's the next hot model? It's like, and no one's ever satisfied. We're just competing with each other. And there's no real, there's no real purpose to any of them. Yeah. Are you, You still, you live in L.A. still, but, and you're just not in that scene at all. Not that scene. I'll pop out here and there if like there's a birthday or I get invited. There's like a big DJ playing that I want to hear like something like that.

You know, like it. I'm able to be around everybody that's drinking and doing drugs and whatever it doesn't bother me. I just, uh, I should get tired pretty quick and I'm just like over it. Because everyone's like, how are you here? This and that. I'm like, I just can't save it up. I'm out of here. Yeah.

Is it, uh, are you're completely sober now? Yeah, about five and a half years. I have nothing. Yeah. Okay, good. Nothing. Yeah. And how good does that feel? Feels great. I don't even think about it, dude. Yeah. It's crazy. You should think you're missing stuff or like I always did. When I stopped drinking, I was just like, I know I'm missing like. But then everybody comes back with their stories about, oh, it's crazy last night. It's like, well, what happened? Nothing. It's just like same old shit. Yeah, it's the same old shit. It's like, that's what I missed? Just being tired. And you just like kind of. And you look back and they're still doing the same shit. I mean, I don't really care of it. I'm just like, damn. I'm just like, damn. I'm just like, damn. I'm. glad I'm not doing that no more. Yeah. No.

Every time. And it's just like there's, when did you stop drinking? Oh, God. It's been, I mean, I've never officially like had a date. But I just know that I just was an idiot, you know? I would just not make good decisions, say stupid shit, good blackout, couldn't remember. And then I'd be like trying to check in with people who I was out with, like to see what I did. That just gets old.

Correct. So it's been, well, since I've been. drunk probably 15 years I bet something like yeah long time yeah it's like yeah it's just you know you get to a point where it just doesn't feel you know it's just like that the regret you have doesn't doesn't is is stronger than like the high you have correct and so temporary yeah it is and it's not nothing good ever happens it's never it it it's like that initial like temporary fun in the in the moment and then like little buzz little buzz but then you already start feeling like shit you can't sleep you wake up feeling like shit you wake up feeling like shit you don't

you're not yourself for a couple days like i don't i don't i don't know one person that regrets getting sober like there's not one no there's not one person that's like damn i wish i was still drinking or doing drugs like it just doesn't happen but um yeah everyone's on their own path man like i just try to lead by example and like you know people was right me like yo what did you do i'm like dude if you can't make the change for yourself it'll never happen that's like the number one Like that's the number one piece of advice to give people. Like if it's for your wife or your girlfriend or your kids or whatever it is, you're not going to change.

It's got to be for yourself. Right. Because if your wife leaves you, what are you going to go do? Yeah, go back. Yeah. Right back to it. It's, uh, I think a lot of like a lot of people in our position that don't, you know, not using anymore, um, kind of gravitate to altruous.

It's weird. I mean, you know, Max, of course. Correct. He's been sober now for about 12 years. But it's, uh, Yeah, it just seems like we need an outlet. You know, I'm going to be, I'm going to be addicted to something. It's just what is it going to be?

Is it going to be healthy or is it going to be running or is it going to be, you know, alcohol or running or, you know, is it going to hurt me or help me? Correct. But I'm going to be addicted to something. Correct. And just got to make the right choice, I guess. Yeah, this addiction is crazy because sometimes I just sit in my couch like, and it's funny.

I was watching your coca doughn a thing. You're like, yeah, this shit's fun until the night before hits. And I was thinking that every time I race, I'm like, I'm all hyped up, I get my bib shot, and then I'm sleeping in my bed. And I'm like, damn, this sucks. I know. Because then you're all antsy, getting ready for the race. The second you cross that line just feels like another day of training.

Right. But up until that point, I'm just like, yo, let's just get this thing started. And then when I'm out there and I'm miserable, I'm like, why am I doing this shit still? Like, what do I got to prove? Like, and then I'm like, wait a minute. And this is like my job now. Like, what am I talking about here? Like, I don't got a choice.

I got to get to the end of this, you know? But yeah, it's. you know what it is man like that feeling when you cross the end like it's a little it's liberating but then it's a little empty because you're like oh damn what's next right when you get done I know second you get done I'm like well I'm still ready to go a little bit more I know it's uh it's always we're never satisfied that's the thing about it is then you start and nowadays so you're like looking at what everybody else is doing and you're seeing like you want those epic moments correct looks so like because when I look at when I look at like you um

in this last race of moab with Goggins, I'm like, these are living. They're actually living. Am I, what am I doing? Were you feeling like you wanted to be out there? Oh, of course.

Of course. Yeah, there's always foam all on stuff like that. But, yeah, I mean, I was hunting, so that's,

you know, that's good for me. That's what I did. Were you hunting when I hit you up? Yeah. Oh, no way. Definitely.

Yeah. It's, no, so I've been hunting pretty much since late August and just got, basically got done. I mean,

I'm taking, And, well, I think I'm taking humorment on his first Elkhut, like next week, I hope. But anyway, I've been going hard. Yeah. I didn't really have time for the races, but I still missed it. I mean, you know, seeing Goggins out there and you out there and just like living it. Yeah. You know, I did Moab.

That was my first, or no, not my first 200. But I did that and that's, I know what how amazing that race is. Yeah. I just was missing it for sure. Yeah, it's always like that. And especially like when I start seeing like a lot of hype on the race when I'm not there. see a lot of big runners in it and I start seeing all these videos go up. I'm like, damn, I should have done that race. I know. Yeah, I'm so glad I did Cocodona because that one was that was huge this

year. I think between Cocodona and Moab, those are the two biggest 200s of the in the U.S. right now, like hype wise. For sure. Jamil's crushing it right now with Cocodona because he's doing all the live streaming. I know. Yeah. And it, it's good. I mean, people, they get addicted to following along on that stuff. They love it. They like following the dot and the live videos and everything. That's why like Andy Glaze, I think you're going to have him on the pod too. That's my trail husband, you know? I love Andy. Yeah.

Yeah. So he's really good social media and like I'm the younger guy and like he's always like, yo dude posts during the race like these people like it just the engagement's crazy. You literally post like the piece of dirt and talk for five seconds and it goes into the millions. He's like they just living for it in the million time. He was right. He wrote me at the age and he's so proud of you. Like you listen to me this race.

And I was like, all right. I guess I got to keep up with this. Well, he even said, I think he commented that he should have called me. Oh, yeah. Oh, to get on, because he said, I'm like, yo, come on the, oh, because you posted us and he's like, man, I should have called you during the race so you can get on the pod. I know, I know. Yeah. So it's like, no, it's good.

He does a good job of that because people really, they love his shit. He's got a good following. He's, I'd say out of all the trail runners, he is the most popular on social media right now between TikTok and them. He sent me his numbers today. And it was like, it was close to 60 million views in the last 30 days. He goes, guess we got to do Moab again next. year. That was his response to me and he just sent it over to me. And I was just like, his views are crazy. He doesn't talk about it. I know because we're like best friends.

I'll put it out there for him. No, that's, that's impressive. Yeah. That's because ultra running is a niche sport still. You know, I mean, it's growing. Yeah. But not compared to, but to get 60 million. Yeah. And that's just on Instagram. His TikTok is insane. He's almost had a million followers on TikTok and like his videos. He literally goes, yo, I posted a video of just me and you at the start line. And it has like, I think like five million likes on it. So everything like TikTok's more about the likes, you know, not the views. Is he, uh, is he, is he making money off? Does he has sponsors too?

He just started taking, he just started taking stuff. Like he did a pretty big deal with, um, Hoka Strava and UTMB together. And it was a pretty big, it was a pretty big paying job that I know of. And he posted the other day because he's coming out on the book and he said that, um, he's going to start taking deals. And he's slowly doing it. Okay. He makes, you know, he makes a good.

living. He did it the right way, which is most people want to make money before they have any reason to make money. So he's got the following in the eyes. The companies, that's easy for them. They're like, they look at the metrics. They're like, oh, cool. Okay. Yeah. Here's your check. Most people, the cart gets ahead of the horse a little bit. And they're like, okay, I want to do this for my job. And they got 200 followers. Correct. Yeah. 100%. He's done it right. But he had, you know, He's like chief of the fire station or something. He's a, yeah, he's a fire. No, he is a chief.

Yes, he just became chief, I think a year or two ago. And yeah, he does well for himself, man. Yeah. And he always told me like he didn't care about this. And then he was thinking he was just like, because I was telling them like the brand deals I was getting. And I was like, dude, you probably can quadruple the money I'm making with your metrics right now. Some of these brands don't care about that.

Some of them just want to give you a salary a month. They already have the money. But some of them, if they see the metrics, they're like, oh, well, here's 50 to 100 K. post. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I mean, it's crazy. There's a lot of money to make with this stuff if you know how to do it. Yeah. It's like, it's pretty insane. If they don't have to pay, they won't. Correct. You know what I mean? Yeah. So you have to be able to like, market yourself. market yourself. But if they can get all that for nothing, they're definitely going to do it. Yeah, 100%. It's a business. Yeah. So it's like, it's still a business. But yeah, it's a, when it's

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And I was like, you know, at that time, everything was closed because of COVID. So, COVID. So everything was closed at that time. So it was like, I don't think the clubs even opened up for like year and a half after. So I couldn't even have FOMO about it. I was just kind of like, this is like the best time to get out of this shit. Yeah. And now it's like I feel like gotten to running.

And then five years later now, like every single person in L.A. and these spots are trying to do run clubs and part of these run groups and I was like damn I was way ahead of the needle way ahead of it yeah you know and it's like I never thought that this would turn into a career for me I mean I'm sitting here with you and like running with Goggins the other day like nuts it's a crazy it's a crazy full circles I talked about I talked about him slightly in my book because I had recorded my audible in the same studio he recorded his in and right before we recorded my boy had listened to his audible and I didn't he's like yo we should run a podcast style like did and we did yeah and it turned out good and it books sold well yeah and every time i race and do

podcast it's just like it's a bump so it's mask you guys check it out it's uh i mean you are um i think when i talk when i think of running and i think of well just in business you're very marketable i mean just like max has that look correct you have a this it's not the alternate look you know what i mean so anything you can stand out uh Andy has his whatever the jor And yeah, joy, a smile or are you doing it wrong? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and vegan and all this other shit. So he's got his, true, it's got his jeans he runs in. It's like, if you either have to be world class or you better have a little hook or a look and you do. So it's, uh, yeah, I mean, it's one, I think it's, you know, Max is a great runner, but he's also got, he's got that

stud, that vibe. Yeah, yeah, he's got the orange county, like skateboarding. Yeah. And he's got the look and he can run fast. Yeah, that's that's a good combination. Yeah, he's a stud. In the ultra running space, like, who do you, who do you look up to follow or who do you, like, think could pop off? That's, maybe that's eight different questions. Oh, I think, um, I think Killian's going to pop off here. Corth. Yeah, after this, I think he knows that I talk. I mean, I want to have him on. Yeah, we got to get him on. I actually, I, we were talking before and I was like, I think Cam's going to bring you on. Yeah, for sure. And I said, I was like, don't worry. I'll talk about you. I said, I'll show you some love. I'll show you some,

So, Killian, you're listening now. It's here, buddy. I'm a mad of my word. No, I want, I want Killian, I want Andy, I want Rachel for sure. And I don't know who else, but those three, yeah. You know what, dude, I don't, I guess answer your question. I don't really look up to anybody. I think, like, I look at certain things and I'm like, oh, that dude's dope.

Yeah. Like, I never, like, looked up to Goggins. I would like, I never looked up to anybody but my dad. That was, like, the one guy, like, I never, like, fanned out about anybody or anything. But like that, oh, yeah, Cam's dope. He's got a dope brand. You know, Gagins is dope. he's got a dope brand like you know that's what I think when I see certain people and I don't

never think anyone's better than me right I was like oh if that guy can run that I can get to that point too perfect yeah that's how I think what so tell me about your dad like what's oh my dad is bad ass man yeah he passed us March but uh he was a runner he was a marathoner um he got to see a lot of this stuff though he got to see my whole turnaround he saw me get off drugs you know that was a beautiful thing he came here as immigrant uh from Lebanon in the 80s and just took the shirt off his back and provide it for the family and just had a good life for us. Oh, man. Yeah.

Yeah. What did he? How old was he? 68. He was young, dude. Oh. And what did he die from? Cancer.

Yeah. He had some other issues going on, but it's crazy because he was the healthiest dude. The guy never smoked. He didn't drink. He was healthy. He ran. And it's just, that's life though. I know.

Comes and goes, you know. Yeah. Yeah. My dad was 62 and he had been sober for 30 some years. Cancer, same thing. You know, it's just like, and then you see people. that are like a hundred years old with like a cigarette in their throat in whiskey yeah it's crazy god life

is nuts yeah i think the lesson is that we need to live it to our fullest every day right because it's temporary i know some people are you like oh why do you keep what are you going to keep running like what about your body like dude i don't know if i'm going to be here tomorrow i'm going to keep running these wheels all off there's no guarantees there's nothing no that's uh hey look at this goggins gave me this wow the medallion it's almost like we're running together again i know But look down the back because he's like the 36th. That's badass, yeah. Did he ever come in here and do the pod?

He hasn't yet. No. No, he's like the 36th Black Seal. How did you guys meet? That's you in the video where like he's doing the pushups. You're like, come on. Yeah. It's a super crazy one.

Yeah, that was my buddy Eric. He's a trainer. Now he lives in Arizona, but he used to come and train me every day. He was running us through that workout just over here, international fitness we had goggins in there and he's just going doing this goggins but you were there right yeah yeah yeah yeah we did that's you screaming at him or no no that's my buddy oh your boy but you were working i was lifting oh you were lifting yeah so we were doing the circuit me me goggins and truitt yeah so truitt lifted with us too but we did the frozen trail 50k over at pisca and uh then we went

and lifted oh no we shot bows and then we watched ufc all in the same same night that us yeah what year was that that was i think 2018. Truitt was like seven years old then, huh? How old is he? He was young. Yeah, he had to have young, huh? That was where he first.

So after we did that whole lift, Gagin said, at the end of my workouts, I always do 100 pull-ups. And so True was like, okay, I'll do pull-ups with you. Nassar Truitt got kind of the bug started to start doing pull-ups, and then he wanted to get the world record based off because Goggins. I forgot about that, actually. That's kind of what kind of ignited his name, right? It did, yeah. Yeah, because Gagins had it at.

Like in 2013, he did 4,032. And so, and so Truitt was always like, okay, I want to beat that. It wasn't even the world record anymore, but it was, you know, Gagins. Yeah. We very much looked up to Gagons. And it's like, he's like, I want to beat that. And then he went after the real world record and got that. But, yeah, it started with Gagin's so.

But that's in 2018. There's this, there's this funny clip. You ever do these ketones? Oh, I've had them before. There's this funny clip. I actually, at the end of the race that this guy sent to me that, supposedly like he was here it is i'm gonna play for you quick this one yeah that's you yeah you almost made me get my ass smoked i guess it was because so this guy came up to me was

like yo man uh i was pacing goggins i was looking at him he didn't look like he ran and i was like you paste him and he's like yeah and i'm guessing he did based off of what david just said said right there. But his pacer was with him too. So I don't know. He's a guy. He's like, yeah, I just, I came in with him on the last final stretch. And I was, I didn't really ask him any question. But then he found me on Instagram, sent me that video and I'm like, that video is funny as I was, because I had walked right by Goggins. He's, yeah, you almost made me get my ass smoked by that guy right there. That's awesome. Yeah. That's so funny. Yeah, it's, I've been hitting Goggins up since then because I was like, I want to take him hunt. He's never hunted. Oh, yeah. And, yeah. What's he saying? He's, yeah, he's like, well, he's doing another 200. Did you know that? When?

I'm not going to say it. Oh, like it soon? I don't know. I think. What's left? There's divide. No, divide's done. I feel like all the U.S. ones are done.

They're spying in the winter. I don't know which one. You know which one. You don't want to say it right now because he's about to just pop up out of the fucking blue and be like, Motherfriars, I'm back. That's kind of how he's been doing it. Yeah. He's been, he's been.

His name shows up on Ultrasynup and then people are like, is he losing this? Is he doing this? Because people are asking me like about Moab because he never said he's doing it. But, you know, I knew after what did he do? What was his first 200 this year? Bigfoot. Oh, Bigfoot.

Yeah. And then I'm like, there's no way. He's not doing another one. Sure shit. Well, there might be another one. Somebody, somebody like that was running the race was like, yo Goggins is running Moab. And I was like, oh, I'm thinking like, he's probably not going to run it. Like he just ran Bigfoot or whatever.

And then like, I didn't even see him at the start. I don't know where the fuck. He must have just like popped up so he didn't have to take no photos than anybody. And I was talking to somebody else. And I was like, he wasn't mean like when we were talking. He was cool. He's like, no, he wasn't a bad mood. I ran 90 miles and last week.

I was like, what happened? He was like, well, some guy was just talking shit to him at the start, like just for no reason. And then he fired off on him. Then some guy was filming him and he just looked at him and said, yo, why don't you stop filming me and get to know me for a second or like, you know. And like, so he's probably just aggravated. He's just burnout on. People just like, they think they want to compete with them or something.

I'm going to get you or like whatever it is. And I'm like, what? Like I don't get it. Like, he's goggins. Yeah. Even if you beat him in this race, you didn't win anything. Correct. He didn't win.

He's still goggins. Correct. Doesn't matter. No, it's, uh, yeah, I, I just love that, I mean, I can't believe he's doing multiple 200s. Yeah. I mean, in a year. I asked him, I go, yo, what, uh, what ignited you to start back up?

He looks at me, goes, just being me, man. I know. I thought he was going to say like, Yo, Cam doing that race fired me up or something. I thought, I feel like a piece of that fired him up a little bit when he had seen you do coca don't. He's like, damn, that mother fucking years older than me. I got to get back out there.

Maybe, maybe. It's all right. Could have fired him up. Hey, he pushes me if I can push him. Yeah, 100%. It's great. It's all good. It's, uh, I was just, I just love to see him crushing it, dude.

It's, uh, he's such a badass. Did you smash one of these right now? Yeah, I did. You got an energy drink? Uh, yeah. Do you want one? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You have a dry throat over here, but we're talking a lot. Yeah, there you go. Well, do you ever talk, like, you've mentioned it a few times. You're, you're rock bottom. Do you ever talk about, like, what, what is rock bottom? What was rock bottom? Um, I think rock bottom's like that pivotal point where like, you know, like the change

needs to be made. Mm-hmm. Like did, was there a, I, I don't want to, I don't know what you want to talk about. My whole story's out there. Okay. Yeah. So I don't care. I went through a situation where somebody left my house,

went to party another house, and overdose and died. And they tried to twist the whole thing into making it seem like I could have made better choices where she wouldn't have left with this person and wouldn't have died over there if I basically would have taken more care of her at my house, but they didn't make any sense.

I wasn't even hanging out with her. And the way it got twisted was I gave all my text messages to the police when they came to me. And the police were like, look, we have her phone, you're innocent, it's fine. There's a lot of locker room talk on here. So the locker room talk gets spun on the internet. Yeah. And it looked real bad. I looked at it and I was like, this looks like shit.

Well, I've guys talking to guys, like we say the craziest. Crazy shit. If it's up on like a whiteboard, you're just like, holy shit. Correct. It does not look good. Yeah. So that's what kind of happened to me. I wrote a whole book on this, though,

and kind of explained my messages. I took accountability for, like, the shitty language that I had. And but, you know, I didn't, I'm not hurting anybody. I'm not drugging anybody. I'm not, I didn't do anything wrong, you know? It was just like this crazy gossip situation on the internet. And when it all, when this one person tried to spin it all with all the gossip websites in 2020, that's when I hit rock bottom.

And I felt like everything I had worked for in nightlife just got swipe for me in like 24 hours. like completely like most hated or most loved and most hated in these 24 hours and you know when you're going through something like that you only see the negative right i'm not like you know there's a bunch of people that were like no this isn't eli like you know a bunch of big people a bunch of celebrities a bunch of influencers that like just stayed quiet eventually i talked to me we know you didn't do anything but like we didn't want to get caught in this crossfire right and this is too great and this is before the word cancel culture even existed like i think if you look in the dictionary in cancel culture my name is there you know you're canceled i i i don't i i

I was the first person, you know, like I went through it. I disappeared for eight months. That's when I wrote my book and got into the running and then came back and put up basically this video of me running and talking and literally had like 99% of the public back on my side. And maybe I already had them on my side. And in my head, I didn't think they were there. You thought everybody was charging you.

But I always say like your character will always outweigh like any lie told about you. And like my character goes a long way. And that's like, if I was that piece of shit person they put out there, like this, I wouldn't have had the support that I had. And yeah, that situation when I went through like the public humiliation was like my rock bottom where I was like, if this isn't a reason to get out of this industry, I don't know what it is. Like at this point, something bad is going to happen to you, you know, like if you don't

leave the industry as what I was telling myself. And then some girl I knew came over to my house. Like, why don't you write a book on your life? Like your life was insane out here. Like people would love this shit. I was like, all right, fuck it. I'm just going to pull down the curtains on nightlife, talk about how fucked up it is, and pretty much like did that, but it's a self-discovery book.

It's an entertaining book. It's super entertaining. It's like super Hollywood meets running, meets self-discovery. And yeah, I don't know if that fully answered your question for you, but like how it got into it, you know? It does. I think it probably even hits harder because it is like, what is it? It's, you know, it's all image.

So Hollywood, L.A., it's image. If that image gets tainted, like, like, and everyone you thought had your back, they're gone. Yeah. And the second that I had my rebirth,

as long as you can't, you know how it works. If you can't help somebody, like open doors or network or whatever, if, and because of your image took a hit, then you couldn't help people. So they're just like,

I don't need this guy. I don't need to be, a recurring quote in my book is if you can't be used, you're useless. So it's like, um, and it's just funny because

a lot of, the same people that turn their backs have came back around now, especially after this, like, did you do? I just, I see people like, you know, because it'll show me like priority of who liked my stuff and like, you know, like the bigger accounts will be at the top and I'll see people in there. And I'm like that motherf-like, you know, like in the photo of me and Goggins or like, you know, and I'm just like, anytime you get a little shine. Yeah, they're back, you know.

It's all good. I just keep a mental note. I was never a dick to anybody. I was just kind of like, all good, bro. Like, you know, like, me and you weren't even close. Like, I don't care. Like, we're good. Like, you know, let's go out.

let's go off a bite. Like, I just, I don't care. Yeah. When you're at the bottom, that phone never rings. But when you're back, it's empty. It was a, it was, oh, this stuff's pretty good. Yeah. Because your buddies, huh?

Yeah. No, black, right? That's one of my favorite flavors at white there. That one? Yeah. It tastes pretty good. It doesn't feel, I don't feel like, you know. No, that's all good.

But yeah, man, I'm glad I went through that situation. There's times for a long time where like every time I date a girl or whatever, had to explain this shit and go on the internet and be like, yo, this is not what it is. Like, here, read my book. And then they read the book and they're like, oh, sorry, like, sorry for judging you, you know, because we're reading this one-sided, false, like, just, just clobbering me, you know?

But now I love it. Like, I like the bad press. And it gets people to read my book and it makes more to the story. And I feel like with no controversy, you have no story. I'll be honest. So you went, you were on Sally's. Uh-huh. I saw some comments.

On Reddit? I don't know what. I was like, what the fuck is this about? Yeah. This is a guy who I ran with it, Cocoa, right?

And I was just like, I did some research. And I read some article from some magazine or newspaper. And I saw the text. And I'm just like, I know how text can be. Yeah.

But I'm just like, I don't know. I mean, but I was like, that does influence people, you know? But it's like not, to me,

I'm like, no, I'm going to, I judge people on. Correct. Yeah, yeah. On what I know of them, if I talk to them, how they treat me. And so I know how, you know, articles, they need clicks.

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going to get a lot of attention. So I understand that. But yeah, I did some research on my, just like anybody else does. But I'm, I'm proud of how you've, your attitude, your approach to this and where you are now, because it seems so healthy. Yes, did you, whatever, could you, would you like that of never to have happened? Probably. But the change in you might not have happened without something, you know, rock bottom. Yeah, I agree. I was just going to tell you that. I think that I'd still be a nightlife.

I'd still be doing Coke every night. I'd still be drinking. And who knows if I would have been alive by now. You know, so it's like, yeah. And that whole situation's crazy because, like, me being honest and giving my messages up is what screwed me in the whole thing. Because if I did something wrong, I would have been like, chuck the phone, gone. Right.

I don't have it. I don't know. I don't have that phone anymore. Say whatever I would say whatever I need to say. I was like, look, here's everything. If you find anything, I told them this and they can't ask. If you find anything deleted, you can take my phone too. Right.

You can take whatever you want and they were like, you're good. So you had nothing to hide. I mean, that was pretty much. You know, when I looked at it, I'm like, this doesn't look good, but I'm like, if I delete something from this now and they figure out that I deleted something, that's going to look, that's going to look, that's going to look, that's going to look, if we need it. Yeah. And I'm like, I didn't do anything to this girl. So I told it's cops. I'm like, look, this is all locker room talk.

And they were just like, yo, you're innocent to us. if we need anything else, boom. And then, you know, parents put out a civil case against like seven of us and just drag that shit for years and years and years over money. Yeah. So it's just like a headache over a dollar amount, you know, over nothing. And like, I know deep down, they know I didn't do anything to their daughter. You know, this all just became a whole money play.

Yeah. But like I said, like I just, I wouldn't be sitting here with you if I didn't go to the situation. There's no way now. I'd be looking for the, I'd be running the next club or like, there's no way in hell I would have gotten to ultras. Yeah. I mean, this shit's hard, dude. No, and, you know.

You know? Yeah. It almost like forced me to like become good, like trying to get good at this because I remember running the first 50K and I'm like, no, this is miserable. You know, when you don't know how to suffer and you go through like a 50K and you're miserable, you're like, there's no way I can run 50 miles. There's no way I can do 100K. And I started building up to all this shit.

Then once I hit the 100 miler and I was like, ah, I figured it out finally. I figured out how to suffer. Yeah. And this thing, this, this sport's beautiful, man. But that's cool, man. I'm glad that you did look into it. And I'm glad you asked me about it on here. I'm not, I'm not shy.

I'll talk about it. It's my story. It's in my book. And I, you know, and I guess her parents' defense, when you're the parent of a kid, you don't think they can do any wrong. Correct. You know, so I mean, there's part of the, just being a parent. And of course, they lost her daughter, which is terrible.

And you never want to say. a, I don't know, you, I don't know, I just can't imagine. Yeah, you know, that would be hard. And, you know, they know them in a certain light, right? Like, you're like, I'm not going to my mom and dad and telling them I'm doing Coke every night. Right. You know, so when they're talking, they're like, if they were, if your parents would have heard that, they would be like, my son never does that. My little Eli?

Exactly. He wouldn't, those are illegal drugs. Correct. So it's, that's just kind of how it works. Yeah. So I understood the whole thing. I wasn't. you know there was a lot of times where I just was getting angry I'm like dude this is ridiculous

like you're just dragging me through this shit and like over and over and over to the mud and like I was like I didn't do anything and like I'm like how much more honest do you want me to be it's like the more honest I was the more I was getting dragged into it because it's just more ammunition you know for it for it but you know like I said I'm glad like you you dug into and asked me about it and you know there'll be someone that shit talks us when we get on here oh that guy I don't like the way he talks about women or whatever it is i don't give a shit yeah you want to hate me hate me yeah i'm here i'm being me i'm being honest that's all i can be you know yeah and you know who's perfect i'm not perfect i can't judge you i mean so if people are want to judge okay judge us correct it's fine

it's fine it's uh that's just the way it goes yeah i think sally took some sally took a little sally took a little sally lezs me on my way over here she's like i'm so happy she's like Eli plus Cam, this is the comma we've always needed, da, da, da, da, and was asking me. I love Sally. She's the best. She's just, pure heart. Yeah. And I just, I appreciate that with Sally too.

She was like super, super in my corner. And she's like, Eli, your book's amazing. I read that shit twice. And like, you know, the people judging online, they're not like, you know, I'll start looking at the comments. And like, someone will call me like, oh, did you read his book? Like, did you read anything he had to say? No.

We don't give a fuck what he has to say. Exactly. Look how I talked about women. Da, da, da. and they're just like, forget it. you know, you just don't deal with those people. So yeah, they're looking,

they're looking for problems, bro. Yeah. No. They're sitting there, their Cheetos and their Sprite, fucking overweight sitting on the fucking couch or they're hidden Reddit names and you don't know the fucking they are

and just talking shit. I know. No, it's, what we do, we run ultras, they talk shit on Reddit. Yeah.

It's all right. So you're, uh, so let's get back into the, the interns. I mean, whatever. Or have any more fuel,

my friend. I wanted to discuss it just because I know if we did. people would be like, well, you're not going to bring it up or like, yeah, why'd you bring that guy on the pod and I bring yeah. Yeah, or we got it. Did you know about that guy or did whatever. So I'm just no shit. I know. I have the internet. Let's just let's just talk it out. Um, you can't change anything. What happens is what it is. It's like you've, you know, whatever. Dude, I've, I'm a, a living proof of like thinking that like anybody that saw it when I went down was like that guy's done for good.

And I've came back and fought and have came back on a huge W and on top. And that's just because I don't give up. Yeah. And especially like if I had done something wrong, I'll take accountability for it. But I didn't fucking do something wrong. So I'm not going down for something I didn't do. Right. You know, the guys that are quiet are usually the ones that did something wrong.

Exactly. I'm not going to write a whole memoir. Let's lie about this whole book. Yeah. You know, like that sounds crazy. Because then they can use that against you. Correct. You know, that's all of a sudden, yeah, that's document,

documentation. But you know what I think it does? It's a good, because people aren't going to go through what you went through. But yeah, a rare case. Let's hope not. Yeah. If they lose their job, some people think there's no hope, right? Correct. You're a good example of it can be, you can have no hope, everything lost, your career lost, public perception in the shithole, your image, whatever, and you still came back. So the lesson, I want out there is like it doesn't matter where you're at or what you're going through. You can fight your way out. 100%.

You just said you just, you don't give up. So it might not be tomorrow that you've overcome whatever challenge you're facing, but you can get through it. And you're living proof of it. So it's, that's a great example. And technically I did lose. I mean, I lost everything that I had going for me. Could I go back tonight life now?

Yeah. It's trash out there though. and I don't want. I'm so like everyone that's in it, I'll make a joke. We're out like, oh, should I relapse tonight? And they're like, no, no, no, we're, we're proud of you, bro. You don't want to be doing this anyway. Yeah. You know, and like, they're not. They're like, I think once like, you know, misery seeks company. So yeah. Those guys, I know the other guys that are parting, they want them to party. They're like, no, no, no, you don't want to be back in this. You made it out. Yeah, you made it out. Yeah, you made it out, dude. And that's, it's tough. Yeah. People that want to bring you back, those people are on your side

anyway. Correct. Yeah. That's not who you want to do. Some guys were like, you, When are you going to start drinking again? I'm like, fuck off. Like, what are you talking about, dude? No, you're not missing shit. So, yeah, you started with the 50K. And then how did, what was your first 100? Havillina, which is this week.

I was supposed to, me and Andy were supposed to vlog it together. We're going to dress up as each other. I was going to wear the shorts. And we're going to wear that and we're going to vlog it. And I got, there's just a lot going on this week. Got your podcast, getting on the podcast tomorrow. And I got some speaking gigs this week. And I was just kind of like, I need my broken toe to heal.

Yeah. You know what it's like running on a broken foot. That shit sucked. Yeah, it does. But I was like, when I broke it, like, it was like the night before now, or like the night before I left. So it was on, I think like Wednesday night and the race was Friday, I sat down for like 10 hours and I could not, I put my shoe on.

I couldn't run at all. Like I kept going outside and I was like, yo, this is bad. And then I was like, there's no way I can post that. I'm not running over a broken pinky toe. Like, what kind of bitch am I going to look like? That's going to sound insane. I'm when Cam just ran on a broken foot. I was like, if Goggins heard this.

He'd like, I broke three of my toes just because I heard you broke one. And I'm still out here. You know? Yeah, exactly. I'm thinking about this for like hours, dude. And I just like woke up in the morning and I put my like, I put like my actual race shoes on. Yeah. You're going to force yourself to run a mile back and forth in the driveway right now.

And then I'm like, all right, fuck it. I'm manifesting. I'm just going to forget about the shit when the race starts. I kid you not. Not long after the race started. I didn't think about it at all. Really? Yeah.

It's gone. I think the adrenaline from the start And I was talking to some dude I was pretty much talking For the first fuck I mean maybe the whole fucking race I was talking to somebody Yeah you know I was pretty much running with somebody

Up until I got to my pacer Okay Yeah we were just bullshit and talking And I got stories for fucking days I'm like yo You want to hear my story And they're like what the fuck you know Exactly that's so

That's a good way to pass time Yeah, miles Yeah I saw you at We were like mile 90 90 right you're like you slept and i was like no i was like damn that my it's gonna get me right now he's like because you got good sleep i know i was i was thinking that i slept kind of early because i was after the just 90 miles and i'm like okay

probably nobody else is sleeping if i can get it done now i can catch some people but then the mud the mud the mud made everyone so tired it did we got the top of mingus i hit an hour nap and i wasn't planning a nap and i was planning a naping there was planning a nap on we got to uh what is it And not Jerome. Is it Jerome? Jerome. It's a drum like my bottom, or whatever it is.

That's where I was probably going to hit my nap. And I was like, you were my motivation. I was like, oh, I'm going to stay on Cam's ass now. And I was like, you know,

Gagnes is the last one. And Cam was in this one. I was like, you almost stay on his ass. And then you got a good lead on me once you got through that mud. I think you got through the mud better than I did.

Yeah. I actually ran really good from Mingas to Jerome. That all that downhill. I was like, like I thought I almost saw hypothermia. Like my pacer was like. It's pouring. Dude, I was like treating me

like a two-year-old kid. He's like, put this jacket on. Why are you shivering like that? He was just screaming at me and I was like, I'm done, man. I'm like, I'm done. I'm like, I can't. My mouth's chattering.

I couldn't talk at all. He's like, you're going to get hypothermia. You can die out here. Let's go. We have to move. Yeah. And then we got to the bottom. I slept for three hours.

I never seen that long. Wow. I heard the rain and I was like that. Nope. I closed the door. We had like a little camper and I was like, nope. And then I woke up again.

And they're like, so what, you're in DNF? And I was like, yeah. And then I was like, is there still rain out there? And they're like, no. And I was like, all right, let me, let me, let me pick my head out this door real quick. I peaked my head out and I just started jamming. Oh, nice.

You finished maybe like four or five hours ahead of me, but I kept taking multiple naps after that. Yeah. Like I took like another three hours of sleep again. Like hour nap here, hour nap here, hour nap here. Yeah. I only slept an hour and 45 minutes at Moab. Really?

Topps. Wow. Yeah. What, wonder what the difference was. I wonder what the difference was. I don't know. I felt super exhausted at Cocodona. I think after that, because I never got like close to hypothermia at Moab. I was never like shivering like that.

There were some cold sections. That probably took some out of you then. At Cocodona? Yeah. Yeah. I think like I felt so sick. And I was just like, man, I'm done. And then I was so worried when we had to cross the, that river.

Yeah. I was thinking it was going to be freezing. The water was warmer than was outside. I was trying to hang out in there. Yeah. And that was after Jerome. So that was, yeah, I can't remember what mile that was at. But yeah, that was a, I ran good out of Mingus.

And that's where I, I think I caught Shelby there. Farrell, she's really good. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, anyway, what a great, great run. But yeah, it was good to see you at 90. You had your big personality like normal and get a picture and everything. Yep, I was like, can always come on that. But start of the race, you're like, yo, why the fuck are you so big?

I know, I know. First thing you said to me. I know. Normally, you know, good, good ultra runners are little. You know, I mean, it's like. I was laughing when he said that. I was like, yo, what, I know. What the fuck are you so big?

What are you like? Are you six to? Six to. Yeah, yeah. No, that's, you know, it's a lot of mass to move around those mountains. I think it's good. And the 200s, I feel like, like having some size on you is good.

Yeah. No, it makes you more durable for sure, I think. I've been trying to sit like at like 195. But then once I'm done with the. race I'm at like 180. You know what's weird about Moab is I'm always I look heavy when I'm done and I almost like I gained weight. Yeah.

And then a day later it all drops. I'm just, I'm so like so much inflammation. I think it's from the elevation from sitting up there for so long. Yeah. Might be. It might. There's your body goes for so much shit, dude. It's crazy.

You've seen some of these guys that have like the like, like you remember that year Mike Mike McNat had like the fucking pot belly. Yeah. That was crazy. That was at Coca-Dona like two years ago. He's when. through some shit. Like, what race was he crawling?

Like, do you remember when he's crawling on his hands and knees? And like, in Bin Light, I think was pacing him. He's like, it does not look good. Yeah. You're like, if you're in a race and you're crawling. I like those guys. Ben's a good buddy in mine too. They always talk good about you.

That's kind of. Mike text me today, I think. Yeah. Yeah, he's the best. Those are good guys too. The best. They paste me at, uh, at, um, crazy mountain. They were both right.

Yeah. I didn't know a ton about you at that time. I think I was starting. I remember Mike had like a pin photo at the top on your page. I knew who you were. Yeah. And then they were like, yeah, Cam's great and this and that. And I was kind of getting into the running and I was like, I'm going to meet all these

things eventually. I'm going to run some races with them. And here we are. And now look at you, dude. Yeah. You're in the fucking mix. We're in the mix. You made it happen.

You manifested all of it. Yeah, I know. I didn't do any work. I just manifested. I sit home with my rocks. You worked your ass off. Yeah. I was kidding.

So tell me about, so you're crushing these 200s. Tell me about your training. I want to know. Oh, yeah, yeah. I forget about that. There was a lot of a, now that I read all those questions yesterday when I put up questions, and training was a big, big one. Yeah.

I usually run, I used to run 100 mile weeks. And I stopped doing that because I felt like it was just crushing me during the races. So I started bringing it down to like 60 to 80 miles a week. And usually one of those days of the week, I'll just climb on the treadmill. And then other than that, I'd probably get around anywhere. between 15 to 20,000 feet of climbing a week within the 60 to 80 miles on most land treadmill or on trail on trail we have tons of mountains okay okay so i kind of have like everything over there uh to train on so i just train the san monica mountains every day you should get up every single day around

well i guess it depends on the lighting so if it's it's going to be light by 515 i'm up by 4 30 and i'm catching the sunrime i want to catch sunrise every morning i guess like a thing for me what time do you go to bet early um it depends some nights i sleep like five hours some nights i get seven some nights i get three like it just it just depends you know so yeah and just catching that sunrise means a lot to me it's like taking that hit of cocaine for me yeah like yeah it's like i when i see that shit i just smile and i'm like this is what this is this is what it's all about right here and then i'm like let me just let me go suffer and let me go suffer and sweat right now and catch the sunrise i love it you know your brut me and your brother talk a lot he's great too i think we got a lot of respect

for each other and he respects his sobriety and he's a badass as well yeah he's tough he is tough he's been through a lot also yeah i can see that i i he's one of the rare accounts that i read every caption he writes i told him that the other day i was like yo you can post a photo of your foot but i read your caption and it's great every time his words are great and i love it and uh anyways back to the training um i usually straight train six to seven days a week as well okay and i usually you mean you kind of have the same regimen. I usually saw on plunge. And then this machine called the PMF, it's like, dude, this thing like healed my knees. It's like this like electric pulse that comes out of this expensive machine. I usually run it five minutes a day on each of my knees and literally here it all,

like killed all my tendonitis in my knees. What is it? Is it laser? No, it's PEMF. I basically, I guess like cancer can't even live in the, in the, in the electric pulses and stuff. So people that have cancer, they'll like just run the machine on them. The guy that, But the guy that I was going to to use it for a while, he said his dad had like terminal brain cancer. He kept him alive for like another five and a half years just running this thing 15 minutes on his head. Really?

Yeah. And like where do you put it? I mean, what is it like? It's like this big machine and some of them are stronger than others. Like some machines could be like 50, 60K. Some could be like 1520K. Like you just like it just depends. So like there's a machine at my house

at this cryos spot in Studio City that they have like a really expensive one. Yeah. And I literally was having, I couldn't get a hold of a nice machine. Sometimes I've been trying to buy one for the house. and I literally posted my story and my boy was like yo why don't you come up here we have like the most expensive machine

and I ran it before Moab and I had no issues and I was my knees were dying before the race and I was like I'm gonna have to deal with this remember my knee issues when we race yeah yeah yeah I had the knee braces on

and I told Sally to go use it too and she was going to spot in Newport that Max goes to yeah and I think it helped her too oh nice huh yeah you know when I was at Travis Barker's he's got like this chair you sit in and it's got something.

Is it pulsing? Yeah. Okay, it's probably the PMA. Is it the same thing? Yeah, because there's like mats and then you can run rings and all this stuff. So he probably has the whole,

it's a whole chair. Yeah, I guarantee he has it. And then I put on like a mask or something or yeah, it seems like I put on a headset also. But anyway, it seems like it's the same thing. Was it like pulsing, like like jumping?

Like you're kind of your body like, like was there different levels that you could like kind of move it? Yeah, he set it all up. Yeah, he probably has it. I mean, you know, This shit's helping people, you know, we're not going to see it in the hospitals. No.

So it's like, you know, they're not looking to help people. So, you know, you can get on like on Alibaba like for a couple grand. I was, I'm probably going to buy one. They use it on horses as well too to like help the horses. But P.E.M.F. As I always tell people, every time I get messages about like knee problems or this. I'm like, dude, shoulders. Shoulders and knee.

Like people are like, you know, my shoulder or this. And then you're like, yo, dude, thank you so much. Like this thing healed me. Really hard to explain. Yeah, no, so that's cool. But what else were people wondering about on your questions? Man, there was a bunch in there. Your training.

There was a recovery. Your diet probably. Oh, diet. I think diet was one of them. I screen, oh, here we go. We got them all here. Dating relationship. Oh, how's it changed from vegan to eating meat?

I was vegan for like seven years. Were you? Were you? Why? Yeah. You like to be weak? Huh? You like to be weak.

Well, that's what happened when you date like an animal activist for four years. And then it, it, uh, it kind of grew on me. I hope she was hot. She was fire. Okay. Yeah. She's a, she's a big part of my book. She's like 50% of my book.

So anyways, that's all done with. But, um, yeah, no, dude, eating meat changed a game for me. Yeah. Now I'm about two years into it. And that's all I eat now. So I think I was scammed for seven years. Well, now you got to get Andy fixed. I need to give him some elk.

Andy, yeah, Andy's next. I told him all they, yo, bro. I'll give him some elk of me when he comes. what's training like here we go uh what do you do to make money we talked about that your diet um current reading let's talk about your mindset talk more about goggins and moab we talked about that crypto that sounds crazy um oh well you do the lift run shoot with cam yeah i'm a little upset guys this guy didn't want around when i got you not he had shit to do we we will we will make it we'll have to come back for that i wanted to just mostly i wanted to get you right on the heels of

lab and with the whole Goggins experience. And I wanted to talk about that. So we did that. But we'll also do a lift run shoot because I still got to get Max here. We didn't do one with, I didn't do one with him either. I thought you guys ran to Piscola. We did a run.

Oh, we didn't shoot bows or lift weights. Damn, man. All we did was like, we can still lift weights. Have you lifted already? I lifted.

Yeah. Damn, man, this guy played me. I had people riding me when I got in to come. What's the, what's the gym over here that's like five minutes from your house that your that your daughter-in-law works out at? Do you know?

Oh. Lane 5. Is it lane 5 crossfit? Or is it? No, it's tree line. That's it. Tree line. So some dude DM me was like,

yo, come in. Like we'd love to have you in here. And then I was like, God, I don't want to work out before I go see Cair because if he has this thing lined up to work out. And I kept asking, is it Rihanna? Rihanna?

Yeah. Yeah. And then she's like, I don't know what he's going to want to do. I had some weird feeling that we weren't going to do it because you had already been busy. And I felt like I would have came here maybe at three or something. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely. And then I was like, Because if we went to work out, then we would have been recording this like at 7.30. Yeah, no. You might have been going, you might have been falling asleep on me, man. Yeah. At my age, dude. I mean, it's almost, it's my bedtime right now.

I got people saying, tell, tell Cam, I said, what up? He's got no idea who I am. What's up? Yeah, I get, I get a bunch of crazy messages, dude. Yeah. I mean, we both do. It's nuts. I think I have about 5,000 DMs.

I try to get back to everybody. I saw you put that up there. You try to answer all of them? Yeah. You know what, dude. Not the hidden ones. No, everything. Really?

Yeah, I'll go through them all. I actually hit the hidden and the request first because they're ones that haven't opened. And then now I'm in the general and there's thousands in there. And like I've been like every day that I'm like walking on the incline treadmill, I'll get like at least three to 500 done. And then I get like I'm really. Yeah, but it's a way to connect to the people that are supporting me. So that's a way like.

No, that's how you grow. Yeah. And I try. I try so hard. Even if it's just harding it or whatever. it is like some sort of reaction but i'm like hoping they dm me again because it'll come to the top yeah those ones i'm seeing and now i'm like i'm got to scroll back like six seven days now but i'm gonna do it try to do on this flight this wifi with shit on the way here so and that wasn't happening and you got

well and you got to fly out early in the morning you said five a m we go see our buddy andy yeah what happened to you didn't do the podcast of bradley martin huh no i haven't god we need to yeah yeah yeah i think i was because i was down there i don't know i don't know what I was, oh, I took my other truck and gave it to the guy at Griffin Park there. We met at the Griffin Observatory. Yeah. And I ran with, with Travis when I was there. And I was going to do it on that trip or something. And, uh, oh, because I was supposed to do rich rolls. And do you know Alexi Pappas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's always with ritual. I feel like that's how I know where I was here. Well, I think their studio is the same place. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. He's like in Malibu or like a

Calabasasas area, something like that. Yeah. So she, I think I'm taking her. her on a deer hunt. Oh, dope. Yeah. How did that come about? Are you guys friends? No. Oh, he was telling you that you should? No. I was just DMed Alexi. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, but anyway, I was supposed to do their, and I didn't do any of that. So I was going to do Bradley's, theirs, and I don't know what happened. You might have the take. When we were bear honey. Oh, oh shit. That's what I was. So I was in Alberta and I was trying to kill this giant bear and I could not get him killed. Is this like when you were gone for a while and every day you kept like, yeah.

I was supposed to be there five days and I was there like it took nine and so I canceled all those podcasts. Oh, no way. Yeah. Yeah, because I remember talking to Rihanna at that time and I was just like. Yeah. And I saw you honey and I'm like, oh, yeah, this guy's not doing shit because she kept saying like, oh, can you come at this time?

I was like, no, I can't. And then she's like, well, why don't you just come at this time so you guys can talk about Leadville? Well, I didn't end up doing Leadville, but I had to take care of some other shit. But were you going to do Leadville? Yeah, I was in it. Yeah, I just had to take care of some other shit. So, like, it just didn't happen.

And she was like, oh, you guys, you should come on the podcast after that to talk about Bill. It just didn't work out for me on timing. And then it was like a dead zone. I was all, damn, I'm going to miss this opportunity. I got to stay on her. Yeah. And then I knew. I knew when we were in Moab and I put up that video, I'm like, I was like, I'm going to be on this podcast next week or something.

I knew you're going to be fired up over that video. Oh, yeah. I was like, because I see the shit that you. you post and when you repost his shit, I'm like, oh yeah. And I got a good, I got a good eye and brain. And I was like, oh, yeah, this guy's going to be fired up on this video right here. It was out of the blue when you saw it too. You're like, what the fuck? Yeah. It was perfect timing, dude. It was, it was so good. But this is just good for me this time because I'm in between, you know, I'm home and like got a couple days. And I was actually, this is, I've been looking

forward to this like this whole time. What? This talk? Yeah. Just have a new here. I didn't know. I thought I was like on you. You're like, I'll just bring them on. No, no. Shit. No. I've been fired up just because your story is so much to it. It's insane. There's a lot to it, dude. Yeah, it's one of a kind. There's definitely, I don't think there's one other person with this story. It's just so bizarre.

No, it's a lot. But what's your goals? So, like, you're just to keep kicking ass, keep running an altar. Yeah, what's your-me and Bradley are actually going to start a pretty big run club. I'm going to get this big ass running here soon. And, you know, between the both of us, we have a lot of pool. And we think we could turn into something big. We just kind of met up and talked about it.

So that's one thing on the plate. Well, he needs to start running. That'd be one thing. Well, his big ass. Yeah. I just need him to run three miles. I know he's 260 because he says he's 260 all the time. Somebody wrote me and said,

yo, has Bradley, and someone's question was that has Bradley started his runs yet? Because on his podcast, he's like, yo, we're going to go run right after this. You know,

damn well he didn't go run out after this. Yeah, no. So, but now he needs to. So, like, we don't, I mean,

he just needs to be able to run a slow three miles. Like that's it. It's not hard. No, no, he can do that. I remember, like, he's like, oh, I try to get on the treadmill, bro. Like, this is, this is not easy, dude, you know? And when people don't run at all, even a mile. It's tough.

Dude, a mile seems like so far if you haven't run. Yeah. But it goes quick. I mean, your body adapts. Well, you know what it is. Like, even if we go to go do a 10 mile run, usually like, first, second six miles suck. Like, it doesn't go by fast. I'm thinking about shit.

if I have problems, your foot's broken, you're thinking about that. And then like, you get in this, I hit like mile seven. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm good now, you know? But they don't even get to that point to feel that feeling. Right.

So they were like, oh, I have no idea how you're running. Yeah. And there was like, I have no idea how you run this far. And I'm like, well, you haven't got past three mile mark to realize that it gets better once you get past all those miles. So it's so. I don't remember going to run any day and feeling good for the first three miles. Right.

No. It's like almost like why I don't feel like doing the shit. And then I get out there. and I'm just grinding and I feel good. But yeah, that's on the plate. Just going to keep kicking ass and just kind of see where life takes me. And that's just kind of how I did it at nightlife too. I was like, well, what's your five-year plan?

Well, five-year plans, I'm going to wake up and see what the vibes are, dude. Well, Travis's run club is going crazy. It's going big, dude. I mean, he has so many people. People are just ready for it. You know, they're ready to make a positive change. I think people are, they want to get out of the clubs. They want to get like just healthier.

living. It's kind of a cool thing now running. Yeah, it's it's it's like it's a community man. And like I think people are like looking for ways to connect like outside of drinking and outside the club and like you know, LA's turned into like a full like I don't know, it's like a joke. It's just like tons of hot girls and people just showing up to meet chicks and whatever. At least they're going to go do something good, you know. Whatever it takes. Yeah. I never I never really do group stuff at all. And I was like, me and Andy are kind of the same. We're just kind of lone soldiers. but like me and him get along so well. So when we're together like 30 miles will go by in like five minutes.

Oh yeah. We're just talking about the same shit over and over again and we'll just laugh. And I'm like, dude, where the hell of the time go? Actually, you know, you got a brother out there, you know? Yeah, yeah. But other than that, like, I don't ever show up to like run clubs or anything like that. But I do need to host them. I realize like every time we go to these races, it's like people are stopping left

and right for photos and like this and I don't realize I have this big of an impact. And I'm like, damn, I need to start. I need to like utilize this. You do. We did like a little And he's like Yo, I'm a post story right now Like you want to do like a little run club

Before the race tomorrow All right like yeah I was like All right he's like I'm talking about No one shows up that we just run And a lot of people Friken showed up Yeah of course Yeah

People love being inspired Yeah I mean if you can I always say like And this has happened over time Before I used to work out to To Bow Hunt People would be like Why are you doing that?

That's stupid But then once you like can inspire people to make a positive change in their life, they never forget that. Dude, they are like ride or die forever because you made, you impacted them positively. You know, it's not it's not something like you go out party and the next day you feel like shit and you're like, God, why did I go out with that guy? Correct. This is like the opposite.

This is like every time I'm around that guy, I feel great. I do something healthy. My body feels better. And it's just like, once you. have that impact on people, you have them forever. Forever. Yeah.

You got that bond. This dude came to the club and he's all tatted up and he's kind of, he lives in L.A. too. And he, we just talked for a while. And I don't even fully remember the full conversation stuff. And then we saw him walking when we were going to the check in. I told him to jump in the van with me and Andy.

And he wrote me after the race. He was like, yo, do I listen to your book? This shit, honestly, like, I'm going sober after this. And like, thank you for taking the time to talk to me. and give me advice and you can you can see a bunch of shit on the internet make an assumption somebody but you're the most genuine person i've f***ed and this this this like means a world to me yeah and that shit hit home i like reposted that you know like that's that one person if you can

impact one person like that how amazing is that feels good man this is like a you know like when i was in nightlife everyone's like oh you're the man you got all these girls and this and that it never felt good and like when i get messages about my book changing their life or people getting sober like just it it hits dude like it just hits where i'm like this this is where i'm supposed to be yeah it's where i was always supposed to be yeah definitely no yeah and who knows maybe you would never got here and you to live this life of whatever whatever that was but you're here and this is where you're supposed to be and this where you're supposed to be doing and it's just like must feel so empowering it's uh i mean i don't know it's uh do you do you have any like anything in faith like as far as

I see that a cross on your check on your neck there. Is that a cross? No, it's a sword. Oh, a sword. Yeah, you know what. You're a big faith guy, yeah? Yeah. Yeah.

I believe in some sort of higher power. Yeah. I wouldn't say I'm super religious. And I think like my mom is like hardcore and she just, uh, everything I said I'd never be as I ended up coming to light. So she's always like, I just know one day, you know, I just know one day. And I and like, I don't ever say like, no. I was like, I'm never going to, I'm never going to not say never because.

Right. it seems like everything that I said I would never be doing, I ended up doing. Like I used to talk shit to my dad all the time for wearing like small shorts all the time. Yeah. And I'm like, dad, why do you wear those small shorts? And now when I get down to my mom's like, your shorts are smaller than his now. Did he have your legs or a lot? Oh, yeah, he has runners' legs.

Yeah, he was a straight runner. He didn't lift at all or anything. He just had runners' legs. And yeah, but, yeah, it's funny. A lot of my friends that are hardcore into faith. I'm close to a lot of people that are just in that realm. and they always like, yeah, it's coming for you. I see Travis and Courtney are putting that up quite a bit.

Yeah. Yeah. He wasn't too hardcore about that before. I don't think so. You think it was because of eating Courtney kind of grew on him? I don't know. I don't know where it started, but I just have noticed that. And it's like, I just said, you know, we'll send little messages or whatever.

And it's just cool. Because it's, it's cool because, well, it's a big deal, but it's also positive. It's good. It's good to have something bigger than ourselves. you know to 100% yeah so it's it's yeah and it's it's important but anyway I was just curious were you were you always no I mean I mean when they start up for you I used to go to church just because we had to you know as kids and we'd go and just you know not even hardly pay attention but it's mostly my wife I mean my wife is you know she has me she'll put out the Bible for me

every morning I got to read two chapters right so it's like she's and I go to church and I because it's like I want to. I want to, I want to like have this unwavering faith. And sometimes I really, I feel like I do. And then some days I'm just like, I don't. And I just want to have it all the time. And so, but it's like it's a, you know, it's a journey. And, yeah. So I just, I'm trying. She's, I wish I was as strong as she was, but she helps. Yeah. That's awesome, man. I think I'm, I'm always open to anything. So like, I feel like if the time's going to come. come. It's going to come when it's supposed to come. Yeah, no, I was just, I was just curious. Just because you've made so many positive changes.

Yeah. Usually people, they get there too. Fall into faith. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely a definitely open-minded thing for me. Everything's open-minded for me. I've never, like, closed off to anything. Yeah. I think two years ago, if I would have saw you hunting, I would hated you. And now I'm like, damn, I'm like, I want to like, I want to go hunting with this dude. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, because I was vegan at that time. I bet. Yeah. And now I'm like, I think the way that you're doing things,

is better than getting the meat from the stores. Oh, for sure. People don't, they don't understand that. They think you're just out there to kill, but you're taking the shit with you. You're packing it up and you're eating it. You're giving it out to people and it's great. I was explained that to people and like,

oh, is that the guy that hunts? I'm like, yeah, but like, this is what he does, you know? I was close-minded at one time with it. I would see it. I would be like, oh, it's just up. You know, but now I don't see it that way. Yeah, it's just, it's really hard for people that haven't grown up around it.

Like, if you're in the cities, you're used to going. You get a burger. and you're not even thinking about that was a cow that's chopped up in a machine somebody killed yeah you know it's like no hey let's go get burgers or let's get a steak or let's get whatever and uh you're not thinking about that it's an animal dying where we show the animal and it's like i just killed it and it's yeah it's that's what you did too but you just paid somebody else correct and we just do it ourselves but i understand it's it's really see it though they can't they're not they're not they're not

comprehending it no the connection yeah the they don't it's a disconnection for sure, but I don't, I don't like watching animals die. I do it. This is what I do. This is how I feed my family, but I don't enjoy it. It's just like death isn't something to enjoy. Correct. You know, but it's part of the process. Correct. That's all. I just heard of explain that part of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just kind of honor, you know, and respect the animals and the process. But I understand if you haven't been around it, that doesn't make sense. That's hard. No, I get it. I mean, I understand it now. Yeah. Well, maybe we'll go hunting. Yeah. All right. Where are we going?

Yeah, I know. Well, how did the podcast with Andy come up? Facilla? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, sorry, Priscilla. He was writing me over some product that I wasn't, you know, because, you know, they sponsored me and I was telling him I just didn't like something with a product.

He's like, come on, come on, bro. So first form sponsored you? Oh, yeah. Oh, nice. They do me well. Oh, good. Yeah, yeah. They like, you know, they take care of me well.

They take care of all my, like, my races and trips and everything. Yeah, yeah. Andy loves me. I love Andy. Yeah, he was like, I remember he kept riding me and being like, yo, what are we going to get you on the team, dude? And I'm like, I don't want to do a deal with your team. Like if me and you were going to do it.

So he's like, all right, what do you want to get paid? What do you want this? All right, done. Get on the phone. He's like, everything's taken care of. Just talk to my right hand guy. And he's like, I don't ever get involved to athletes. I just like you a lot.

So like, and that's where it was. And like that it was done. And I think I told his right hand that I wasn't with one of the products and that, like, we should come out with like align with bars and gels that like really aligned with like athletes and stuff like that. He was down with it. And then I said, hey, I'm going to go do Canst podcast on Monday. I think I'm going to come to the headquarters on Tuesday.

And he goes, this Tuesday? I was like, yeah. He's like, oh, I was like, what are you guys doing the pod this week? I wasn't asking to do the pod. I was just wondering if he was going to be busy or not. He goes, yeah, why don't you jump on? I was, I'll, fuck it then. Let's just, let's run it back.

And he was how he wrote me after the Goggins thing. He's like, yo, how was David? He's like, I've known that guy for a long time. He's like, you really inspire me, man. Like, I don't think you understand, like, what you do is fucking badass. Awesome. So. Are you sure you didn't, like, have a little, little thought of being on the pod?

With Andy? Yeah. Well, I had just done it a couple months ago. Oh, you did? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, we did a couple months ago.

That it was, it was dope. I need to catch up on his. I, I told you you should go. I was telling him when you were doing a little tour, I wrote you and I was like, why don't you go back? Why don't you go on Andy's. Yeah. I know.

I listen every. He's got a big pod. I know. Sometimes I like listen to everyone and then I kind of forget and then I'm like listening to other ones and I'm like oh fuck I forgot to check on Andy you know to see what Andy's doing but I love it. I love his. Yeah. He does a great job. He's he knows how to talk. He's smart. And I like, uh, is it Sal right? His brother. Sal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I let that whole that whole crew. I mean, you go back there and it is you've been to the headquarters. The gym. Have you been there? Disneyland, bro. Oh, I just, the gym is like perfect. And he said, like, if you don't put the weights back perfect, you're out of there.

He basically like, everything's lined up. Like if the logos aren't lined up. And then if you like wash your hands and water's on the sink, the guys, like, you'll just see them wipe it. Everything's not clean. I go, why do you guys do that? He's like, well, I think they need to treat this place. They treat their house.

And if they don't want to, then we just deduct shit off their checks. That's it. And they're like, like, dude, the place is spotless. You've been there. Yeah. How long those events have been there? Um, it was when my, I think, Endura came out. Oh, you were doing like a little tour, doing podcasts?

Three years or so. Oh, yeah. That place is, it's so nice. It's amazing. But I think at that time, they're building across the street too. They have like two other buildings now. God. They're insane as well.

Yeah. Yeah, he's doing okay for himself, bro. Did he take you to his house? No, but the cars he's got are nuts. His staff was like, he doesn't take anybody over there. He's got to fucking like you. And he took me over there. And he's like, don't post all my cars at once.

Yeah. Oh, man. You know. Are you a car guy? Yeah, I like cars. I think, like, being around Hollywood and being around a lot of rich, you just, you just tend to like, it's just, it's almost like just tying my shoe at this point. Like, I like, I like, I like, I like old schools.

You know, the 69 Chavelles. Oh, yeah, yeah. So he had, like, a whole collection of those. And, like, he had all these crazy couple million dollar cars in it. I just went straight to the old schools. I know, like that's. Joe likes those too. Yeah.

Joe's a car guy. And he's got the old stuff. What show? Who are we talking about? Rogan. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he loves that old schools. Oh, like John Wick cars.

Yeah, yeah, they're badass. Oh, my God, someday I'll have something like that. You always, you got a bunch, I mean, you're living out here. You got the trucks, right? Yeah, the trucks. Like a Ford Raptor here is like having like a Bugatti in L.A. Yeah, yeah. What do you have now?

Me? Yeah. I drive a Land Rover defender. Okay. I love that car. Yeah. It's like, it's kind of like nice where I can still like go to a day. dinner in LA and then I can just get rugged with it as well too. You know what it is? Yeah. Yeah. No,

it's cool. That's that's that's it. I'm always looking I don't know. I was looking for something to give away like I do those giveaways. How does that work? You end up buying the car and doing the giveaway or like you work with the company? Well like Fox they gave me that trick just because it helped them for marketing. Yeah. But all these other ones I buy. Okay. And then I just, you know, do just sell stuff. And if how does the giveaway? work. It's normally for for every dollar you spend you get a point dollar you spend with what on your website like on merch like on merch like on merch like on merch like like these shorts or my t-shirts hats hooties stuff like that i'll hook you up with the the Gucci shit is this is it yeah yeah yeah i love

that shit when you post that i'm like oh my my boy's a little bougie yeah no i actually like when i see you wearing on well that shit's fire actually i was ready to go fully suited dude in the Gucci suit for the show when we get done here you know but yeah no i When I did that Two Bears 5K, do you remember that, that Bert? When was that? I was, when was that two years ago? We just, do, me and you just started following each other. Huh?

Not this may, but the last. Okay. We just started following each other last year. Okay, well, this was Bert and Tom Sigura. They did the Two Bears 5K. Travis ran it, but it was at the Rose Bowl there. So I'm like, okay, if I'm going to go run this, I got to go, Rodeo.

Yeah. And to Gucci there. Tried to buy the cheapest shit they had. which that's impossible, but it spent like $4,000 and I got this, uh, um, like a sweatsuit top and shorts and a tank top. That's all I got. But anyway, I was like, hey, if I'm in L.A., I'm running a Gucci. You ran the whole race in the Gucci. Yeah, that's bad. And that is that what gave you the idea to make your own? Uh, I just, you know, I've always had like, when I go to the fights, I usually wear nice like either Gucci or something, this is like a button.

But now you just got to wear your shit there. Yeah, just a button up shirt. I was so people like in L.A. like, the people like, the people that, come like fully diced out and like designer shit are just cornballs like we just don't give a shit it's like the matchy sweats yeah it's crazy it's always like like like it's either like like the like the trappers or like you know like every time you see like every time i'm like all these guys all it's usually like the weed guys yeah and they're just fully like head to toe and like louis and they got like oh i got robbed i'm like man no shit what are we talking about dude you got like 500 k jewelry on you're like head to toe and designer and like

Like you can't, dude, LA was getting fucking murked everywhere for a while. Really? I got robbed at one point. So like I left to go visit my girlfriend at that time and someone broke. It had to been set up. So yeah. You know,

shit happens. No, it's a, I know, I see people with like this, like not Gucci, but I can't remember what, what,

but is shoes, socks, sweatpants, sweat top, like, like everything. It's like, what are you doing?

Come on. So I just wear like a nice shirt with jeans and boots. I call that, uh, the broke people impressing other broke people. Is that, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, yeah. You're not, you're doing, you're doing a one,

you're doing a little 5k in it. It's like a little cool statement, you know? Okay, okay. Yeah, no, that was fun. You're not the broke people, impression of the broke people, bro. No, it's all good, but I'll hook you up with the Gucci. Yeah, I want the, I want the Cameron Haynes, the, I know, the Gucci Haines. Yeah, it's, it's definitely, it's cool.

It definitely worked. I see you running up on the mound with the, with like the logos. I was, I'm, I'm fucking wearing Gucci right now. And then I see the, the, the CH logos in there. And I'm like, oh, that's kind of fire. Oh shit, I need to get, I think I have some of those Gucci shorts. The shorts are fire. They are.

Yeah, those are some statements. They are sweet, dude. Might have to make some EWs, dude. We got to go match it, you know? Let's do it. Let's do it. You gotta get with your guy. Yeah, so that's, that's, I use the trucks to sell, basically sell merch.

Sometimes, I don't even care about making money. I just like giving shit away. Correct. So that's been fun. But a point is, is like I was looking, I was going to get a, I think it was a Hummer, three pickup and they only sell them in electric. I'm like, oh, the new ones. Electric. Electric car. No, electric pickup. I mean, I'm supposed to be hunting in this. This shit's going to go dead when it's sitting out there. No. Not happening. I said,

you can't get diesel in this thing? They said, no. So I got, that's what I got that new Denali out there. We like that. Hey, uh, Andy, we got to drop the vegan diet and the Tesla. Okay. Tesla. Oh, man. He's all. He almost. He's got the Tesla truck too. I was giving him shit about it. He's got the, he's got the Android. He says the iPhone is garbage. Are you on the iPhone or the Android? iPhone, baby. Okay, yeah. He says that we're behind in time. He's got the green box.

He's got the green box text, bro. It's crazy. For poor people. Yeah. He's going to have a lot to say to this. I know. You're going to have a lot to say this. Unfortunately, that Android is, it's a little nicer than our phones, but we can't let

him know that. It's got a good camera on it. When we get our new camera, our camera's nice. Like, bro, we had that five years ago on our phone. Is that, what is that? That's a new one. Is that the 17? Yeah.

Oh, nice. You got you on the 16? I don't know what it is. I think it's a, or 16 or 15. Yeah, it's all right. Yeah, that works still? It works, bro. How is the 17?

It's not actually, it's the first time where I was like, all right, I'm okay with paying for it. Yeah. Like, it's fucking smooth and the, and the camera's really fucking nice. Like, you can, you can be hunting and hit the 8X

and you can like, full. Like, it's like f***ing crisp. Nice. At the 8X. It's pretty crazy. You would have got that, if you would have had that phone when you were getting that bear,

you'd have been done in five days. It wouldn't have taken to the nine. Okay. Well, I guess I need to be. I sold it for you, huh? Yeah. I'm working with Apple. So what?

You got a girlfriend now? Yeah. How's that? It's good, man. No, no, no, no. Yeah, no, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm used to being on my own, man.

No, but it's good. Everything's going good, man. Okay. Okay. I didn't know if that was like the, why we're starting the run club, you know, to like meet people. Oh, no. No, me and Bradley were just like talking business and being like,

yo, we should start a run club. He's like, yo, let's just go 50-50 on this whole thing. like, you know, it's not going to be a problem getting the people here. I just need, we need someone like you that's going to be in like the running community because my big ass isn't running. So, but it's cool because we're going to bring his side of people out and I'll bring his side people. I'll try to probably get Andy involved too because he's got a like following community.

Yeah, it's like, you know, he does a lot for me in the running community. I feel like he's putting me a lot on a lot as well too. Like everything I do, everything I do. He's like just repost. do like he's like forced me to make a tic talk the other day and like all the videos are going viral and i don't even have 10 000 followers yet he's like he's like yo dude whatever you do i love you i will just just just listen to me and i'll help you with it's your boy yeah that's it i was like you know you don't he's like you're my friend bro and he's like this trail husband

so don't be don't don't be trying to text him without going through me first man why are you texting my trail husband yeah why are you on the green text of my boy like that well how's bradley i've never met him he's great man good guy i'm known Bradley for a long time. When he'd rally, we had like 500 followers on Instagram. He was running like a meal prep company. Okay. And that's how we met. I was like in 2015. And then he blew up. I feel like like the meathead industry wasn't like a big deal back then. And now it's like a big deal to be like a meathead and big on the internet. And like it's like it's like a cool thing now. He's done a good job as far as like I'm 260. You know, it's like that whole thing. He's like to think you could beat me in a fight like to Diaz and shit like that. Yeah. He's a. Uh, he's a. Yeah. He's a, uh, he's a. He's a good dude. We were just actually talking right now before this. And we, we didn't, you know, I, like, when I went through all the shit that I went through, I didn't talk to a lot of people for a long time.

And then we just kind of, they all stayed following me on Instagram. I say following them. So they're kind of watching the progress. And then we all kind of kind of came back together. Oh, good, good. And he's always, he's always been a real one. He's a good dude. Good.

Well, I need to, yeah, I want to do his podcast at some point. Either get him to come to you or you to come to him, right? I'm going to go back down. I'm doing riches and Alexes. God, come, I think next month. Oh, that's soon. So, yeah. Might as well, knock it out.

He's in Encino. Okay. Yeah, good deal. Well, yeah. Who's the, like, last question. Who's the coolest celebrity that you ever have hung out with there because of the club, met him? And, like, you know, celebrities always get a bad rap, but there's got to be some good ones. Who did I like the most?

It was an athlete. Someone I became close with, there's Kyrie Irving. Oh, really? Best dude ever. Really? Yeah, we spent a lot of time together. I like Kyrie. Yeah, and he's a smart dude.

Yeah, he got kind of like they were saying he was crazy. He was right about everything. No, he's, he fucking seems smart as shit to me. He wrote me a really dope message and we hadn't talked for a while when I dropped my book and he was just like, brother, like, I'm so proud of you. We're both out of this shit circle because he used to come out and party too. Yeah. Yeah, we had a different kind of connection with that dude.

Like even when we got, when we partied together and hung out late, was just like we would just disappear from all the girls and the people and the celebrities were around. I mean, then we'd just go talk for a long time. And we just talk about some crazy shit. Kind of like how he does on the internet. And that's what I knew we were fucking like we're brothers, you know, we got along. I haven't seen him for a while, but, you know, I'll soon pop in and like my posts or whatever when I'm doing stuff and just kind of check in here and there on Instagram. And that's it. But yeah, I mean, I knew everybody you kind of think of top of your fucking head. But that dude was, uh, he was dope, man. Yeah.

He's a good to hear because I like him. And he's a baller. Baller. Holy shit. I mean, he won that for the, basically won that series for the caps. I mean, with that big three, it's, I mean, just a dagger over there. I think he had 41 or, I think him and LeBron both had 41 maybe. What year was that?

I was like, 2015? 2015, 16, yeah. Yeah, but he was, he is so good. What's funny is I loved playing sports, but never really watched them a ton. And then once I was dealing with all these top athletes that were coming in that you can think of, I started watching it. Like I'd watch them when I was fucking high on Sunday or whatever the it was. And then I'd see them like that same night out. Yeah.

You know, they're like, yo, get me a table. Like let's let's go hard tonight. You're like, you know. And he came out. He did his thing and fucking still crushed. I was just like shocked. I was like, yo, this guy's fucking bawling and coming out. Like this is nuts.

It's probably like Jordan. Jordan had gone out and did gambled mostly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. some of these guys just figured it out on how to do and the other one just can go backwards you know

it's just the way it goes i know it's it's tough to party and ball i mean that would be hard to i mean you can you can get some minutes but to be a star yeah that's rough to yeah i want to state that uh this has probably been one of my favorite conversations with somebody because me and you uh we might not be exactly like but we think very like and it's nice to sit with someone that's done race with me and kind of understands all that stuff but like I just felt like this energy between us right now we were talking was just like oh good just cruise cruise cruise cruise cruise oh this is fine dude this is like almost two hours no way yeah I don't it's like an hour I know no and yes I feel the same it's like easy to talk to it's uh yeah I'm super thankful that you came to Eugene and uh man I'm I'm I'm

I'm just pumped that we had a chance to sit down yeah have a good conversation I'm grateful you had me here. Dude, I'm, I'm rooting for you. I'm on your side. I want you to win. I want you to, I want you. Yeah. Appreciate you to you. Yeah. All right. Well, hope you guys enjoy the conversation and follow Eli. It's the end, guys. Just getting me to talk for another three hours. We're going to make sure that we get the right angle on them. Yeah. That's right. Can't be like throwing a camera under my face with double chains and stuff. Like, you'll raise that thing to the roof. We got it. All right, brother. Well, thank you. And keep hammering, guys. Someone to blame they sent the hate it fuels my pace I am Roy Tuff I am the change the fuel in dirt

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