Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 156 - Sh*t Talkers Weekly 13 with Marlon “Chito” Vera

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

Join us for a new Sh*t Talkers Weekly podcast episode! This week we’re joined by Marlon “Chito” Vera - Ecuadorian professional mixed martial artist. Cam took Chito on his first ever Blacktail Hunt, and Chito’s here to talk about it - the hate comments, his thoughts on his first hunt, what he thinks could make the UFC better, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00  Chito’s Thoughts on Hunting 00:10:38  Hate  About Chito Hunting … “Trophy Hunters” 00:13:55  Hours in the Woods & Holding Your Sh*t All Day 00:17:27  Gringos & Tortos 00:19:38  Re-Population of Elk, Bucks, Does, Etc 00:21:12  Cam’s Crazy Workouts Lately 00:25:28  Sh*t Talkers Weekly Shirts  00:33:43  Appreciation for Lineman  00:35:16  Hoyt’s New 2026 Bow 00:38:39  Chito’s Future Plans in Hunting & the Keeping the Tradition 00:47:14  The Emotional Impact of Hunting vs Fighting 00:54:08  Chito’s First Experience Having Dairy Queen 00:55:55  Chito’s Running Plans 01:03:28  Celebrity Boxing Matches & Money in Boxing 01:07:41  Pressure on the Fight Judges & How the UFC Could be Better 01:18:03  Who Would Chito Want to Fight in a Celebrity Fight? 01:20:14  F#*k, Marry, Kill: Cars, Hunting, Fighting 01:24:50  Final Thoughts, Guns, and F#*k, Marry, Kill for James Thank you to our sponsors: Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off  Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off

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Mop, mawam, giddian. That part sucks. But he's... we're stuck with him. We're like, when you have a kid, I guess you're stuck with him. I mean, there's pieces of shit that live with the kids. So we're very people. We stuck to him.

Yeah, right, right. We could have given him up. We could have put him up for adoption. But we could live in Powers. Yeah. You want to go to Powers? I don't think too many of my people live there. No.

No. True, true. You won't be accepted there. It's a very, it's a very, it's a very, That'd be my true self. Yeah, you have to, like, hide on the wood until you find some, something like you. I've been hiding my whole life just in the closet. So we decided this is a new setup.

Me and Cheeto just did an awesome deer hunt. And James, I thought you guys were going to be side by side. And, like, you know, I was wishing for that. Spooning. And we could. I mean, we slept like two nights together. But instead, James said this would be good to show the behind the scenes with the Cam Canada of Pittsburgh Steelers jersey. I don't know. Can you see that? Yeah. Okay, cool. And, yeah, we, uh, yeah, so we're going to try this. We're going to try shit talkers with, I can't even see Gideon. There he is.

It looks like where's Waldo back there? Peking over the wall. Fucking. Peeping Tom. You've been hiding, dog. So, yeah. So what's, uh, what's, uh, speaking over the wall? What's on the docket? I want to talk about first. You killed a buck today. Brand new hunter rebel.

What do you think about it? I love it. I've been trying to hunt with you or with anyone extremely high level like you for a long time. And I grew up in a farm. So I've been, I was in the woods my whole life when I was a kid. And I, you know, most kids, when the dad would say, like, hey, time to go for the farm. Like, the dad got to work. Mom got to be the company.

And the kids, of course, got to follow the family. Most kids, I remember my friends, they were, like, hating go to the shrimp farm or to the regular farm with the parents because it's boring. The mom and my dad will say, get ready with living. I would be, like, boots on, in shirt. And I was, like, just excited. excited to go. Couldn't wait. Couldn't wait.

And then I remember our house, I remember when my dad started building the first farm, the house was like halfway done. It wasn't even livable. There was no lights, no water. It was just like half of the house was done, one room. And then the kitchen was like no roof and shit. So a barely done restroom. And I picked that after my dad.

I can wait till I have like the perfect. set up to bring the family. He would bring us there and be like, you guys want to spend the night? And my mom would be like, no, I don't know. It's kind of like the kids. And we'll be like, fuck yeah, we stay in tonight. And that's why this was.

It was like middle of the wood, no signal. Yeah. Like no fancy, nothing just, I don't know. I just love love it so much. The simple life. Simple life. And I have killed animals, I have killed chicken or pigs before,

but one thing is like the employees or my dad help me and they teach me how to do it. And the other thing is going and look for this for the box. And that takes another level of like work ethic and knowing where they are because, I mean, since this is my first time, it's looking through the binoculars, how you call them? Binoculars. Binoculars.

Yeah. Looking through that. I mean, sometimes you guys were saying things like, oh no, they might be there. just can see them. And I was like, in my mind, I would take it off. I was like, if I, if I can see it, there's nothing there. And then all of a sudden, oh, my God, there's actually something. Like, the way they can hide, it's crazy.

And I'm so fucking glad we got one. It was, uh, glad. Well, I'm glad we got one, but you're also now the most hated man in Ecuador, apparently. I read. Um, so you, there, there is some, we get backlash for, I guess living an honest life of providing for ourselves. I mean, that hoodie you got on right there is like train, hunt, provide. I think it says on there. So that's what we do. We train, we hunt, and we provide. That's what meat is. We're providing. Ketone IQ is now backed by research from KU

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He paid somebody literally put this animal in a corner and I shoot him for the photo. And, you know, I don't give a fuck if that's what you think. I give a fuck for what I think. And I kill an animal that you helped me find. We got him, carry the animal. It's not like we, you know, it's not like you kill the animal. You take a fart and you leave a dead animal in the middle of an hour.

And that's ignorance because what's the first thing we did when we get to the house? We eat the liver. with the most nutrition is part of the animal. And I mean, we can go on and on and why it's better to do your own killing. And maybe what you pay for is the way they killed animals, yours. But why explaining something to a bunch of more? You don't have yourself, yeah. I'm happy I get to kill an animal and I can't know the way or I go on again.

Yeah. It's the experience is amazing. If you like the woods and you're, you know, tough enough to do the labor, walking a lot, up and down, get in the car, go to the next spot, up and down. It's not cute. It's not fancy. Was it harder than you thought it was going to be? No, it was just as hard as I thought it would be.

Like, I told in the car, like I feel like I've been a fan for so long and I've been listening, you and Joe talking about it. Sometimes, you know, the story time, like, oh, it took us five days of all day working and nothing. And then on the six day, we get to catch one. I pretty much came with a lot of information. Yeah. That's why I never asked, like, on the first day that we spent from 5 in the morning to 5 p.m., looking for one. I was never like, hey, I want to have a break.

I need the restroom. like I just didn't say nothing and enjoy the moment because I feel like by listening it's like reading you get knowledge I feel like I knew a little bit of what was getting myself into it but it was the expectation

where everything as good as I thought would be it was just as good or better and on the hard part it's hard you got to walk you got all day climb mountains go down go on crazy terrains And if you get a kill, like we did today, it was far. And then bringing the buck all the way up, I mean, it wasn't easy.

It was a fucking ride. It was, yeah, I like how you described all that. I'm just, you know, we could have, there was a younger two-point forked horn yesterday morning, the first morning. And I was, it would have been. And not a real high percentage shop. So, and not an old buck either. But also, I didn't want it to be over in an hour because you've been wanting to hunt for so long.

And I thought that that would be doing a disservice to you. And, you know, maybe you're developing passion by ending it so soon, potentially ending it so soon. And also because of the shop. But I wanted more opportunity to share what I love with you. And one of the best times I thought was, you. yesterday evening, we did the walk down the road and we were able to look at tracks where he found the snake, right? And I was able to say like, well, when we're looking for a buck, a lot of times like an old buck, it's just a sea of nothingness, basically, this logging unit. But we can

sometimes see a white face, right? Those old bucks have a white face with white muzzle. Or I said, you know, sometimes we see a horizontal line because I said, if you look in the woods right now, there's not many horizontal lines. And you picked that up because even when you saw that cow at the end of the road, I bet it was like the straight line that's not in the woods. And you noticed that your eyes went to that. Same thing on the deer. So I was able to say, you know, talk about the wind.

Like the, we were walking on the road, the wind was at our back. I said, it's going to be probably not going to see anything because they've already smelled we're coming. But just those little things, those little, it's hard to go over that stuff unless you have like the real life example to cite and more time. So I was very thankful for that, even just that one little hunt we did yesterday evening. But yeah, we found the buck where after I wanted you to kill an old buck.

That's what we're always kind of after. And you made a great shot right through the heart, which has caused some uproar on your Instagram. But this is the way goes. And the buck did not suffer at all. He was dead in seconds. Yeah, it wasn't like 20 shots or like one shot in the leg. I mean, it was a fair death because it's like we're going after the meat and that's what population does.

You live and you eat. I mean, I mean, what else can we do about it? Yeah. There's food in there. You got to eat it. You know, I know you said whatever. I mean, we can't address all the hate, but it's either you kill yourself. the blood's on your hands or you pay somebody else to kill for you,

the blood's still on your hands, you just wrote a check. Right. And that's how humans survive. And I also feel as is how weak people these days. Like, yes, they think this is like evil. Oh, whatever. I mean, call you a saint-edness. That too.

Like, I go to church every week, but whatever. Whatever you want to say. But during COVID, you remember people fighting over toilet paper? Yeah. That's how weak society is these days. And that's why, like, I would say this is one of the best part of me. Like, I'm never, I'm never on the read. I'm never, like, checking who validates me or who give me shit.

I'm like, I have a close circle. If that close circle maintains strong and the people that I admire and I love outside my circle, it's all positive vibrations in me. I mean, that's all that I can ask for. Yeah. mom and dad are healthy in the life my brother and my sister were cool my cousins were cool my family my wife my kids are growing in a good environment where is gonna ask yeah can't take me to fucking hunting everything i mean we're on business this is shit talkers after all so

hey you're gonna have to deal with it but yeah i like that point it's like it does all the outside noise doesn't matter you know yeah and especially when it's Like, there's the ignorant part of, like, oh, you took a trophy. It's a trophy. I mean, there's always a typical fat, rich dude in Africa, kill and gyra for a elephant. Yeah. Yeah.

Someone take you. The guy, the guy brings you in the car, put a perfect shot. You take the shot. Maybe the fat bastard didn't even kill the animal. Then the guy came and took a perfect shot. then they fat basso like a

take the photo I mean sure that's I don't support that yeah because they're not eating that

yeah I'm eating that yeah the whole thing that's where people who don't understand they lump everybody

in with like the quote trophy hunter right and even that example that you that happens I guess

occasionally not very often right but it's definitely not what we do you know so I

understand where people would frown on that because that that's not my style either so i get that um but the point is it's uh you can't lump all hunters in with that image and that's that's a stereotype and that's not fair to to the guys that get out there and work their ass off and do it right and that's 99.9% of hunters so that's that's the people who i surround myself with who that's the type of hunting that i want to promote just like today we and yesterday we worked hard and we were rewarded by our effort

I mean, we spent all day looking. It wasn't like, like you said, like some people say, oh, I haven't got a kill, but it's like how many hours are you in the field? Yeah, are you just going out for a couple hours,

go home, take a nap? We didn't live, like, the place that we were hunting. It's not like we went outside to put gas or to get water. We brought snacks, water, and no one said, like,

oh, I need to take a shit. We were peeing, whatever we could. it and I'm we all hold because we at some point we all want to take a shed and I was like I'm just holding it I'm just holding it I probably should have took a shit I mean speaking of which I had to eat the most foul smelling fart I have ever experienced it was it was near you oh it was deadly it was terrible I was I wasn't near thank God and I don't want to do that around company but like if I I told myself this because I had a hoodie inside and I have the rain jacket on top.

If I would have a t-shirt under my hoodie, I would do the most popular one. I would go to a corner, dump it, use a t-shirt, leave it there. I have done this when I run. Sometimes I'm running and they came. It's hard. And somehow, when I'm running long distance, it's not like, shit, it's water. And I have There's times that I'm running

And I felt that I'm like Okay I can hold it I can just And eventually you forget about it This time was like The whole You open the holes The whole thing you open

And I was just like I was squeezing And I was a point I was like I'm gonna shed myself So I run fast And I get to a place That it was plants and shit So I don't you know

I don't want to throw it In the public so it was just like a volcano of laos kind of like three seconds take my t-shirt out of clean real quick put the t-shirt like aside and then finish the run yeah well that's a great story um have you have one of those but the point is is we didn't even stop to say shit yesterday we were just to go we were grinding all day what was the point we were making The point was like we didn't left campus. We hunt all day.

Yeah. We don't even stop. We don't sit on the car and talk. No, no. We were here for fucking hours. Well, the people I get people talk about, hey, you know, I've been hunting for however many years. I don't kill. It's just like, well, you can't kill from the house.

You can't kill from the couch. You can't kill from, you have to be out there. I've learned this lesson the hard way. right so a long time ago i learned if i want to be successful i got to just spend more time i got to be out there more you know good things happen when you're out there so i just don't go back we just hunt all day that's just all i do you have to stay you have to stay and you have to give looking and and to that point all day yesterday then today we killed at 11 like middle the day when most people wouldn't be hunting go lunch yeah they'd be you know taking a break because everybody

hunts morning the evening that's when the animal more active, but all we needed was one chance. We saw one deer today. Yeah. And he's dead. Yeah, we eat the liver. Fuck the liver was good. So now that was the last year in existence.

So now deer are extinct because of Cheeto. I'm sorry. Speaking of Cheeto's Instagram, since you tagged me in that post, what is the term for like a heavy set, uh, Latin or Latina woman, Torta? That's, the Mexicans call Torta, but that's kind of like a, I mean, if someone doesn't understand, like, it's from the U.S., they would think it's like a calling American a gringo. Like, it's not offensive. It's just a guy that lives in the U.S.

A Torta, I believe they call to the fat ladies. Well. So I will say if a Latina woman follow you or text you, it will be a, um, I've been getting the tortos. The men. Oh, I'm getting men. I'm sorry, dude. Are they good looking at this?

I'm so happy about it. I mean, are they, are there your type at least? Oh, yeah. I think we call them bears here, but I'm going to start calling them tortoes. Oh, yeah. I thought the heavy set Latinos were thick with three Cs. Yeah. Isn't that how?

That's good. I mean, I don't discriminate. No, we're not racist. But what's your type? How you like your man? You like them big? Like you? You want them smaller.

Twinks? If your family doesn't know about you being what you are, you can just beep me. It's as good a time as any, James. You're seen. Oh, I can't see you, but I'm seen. Maybe somebody can. Laughing is not denying. No.

I didn't hear a. I didn't hear a. There's no. denying, I was just trying to think of what my type is. I haven't gotten that deep into it, you know. I'm definitely not as, I'm not as deep as they are. Okay, now we're getting to the shit talk. This is like, we're almost too serious for a second. I know, bring you guys out of it. Thank you so much. There's the deepness of your balls. Balls. Of your friends inside, you have taken us out of serious conversation. What else did you have on there? What's on your list?

I did want to talk about repopulation, which is we talked about this in the field, but this is actually science. This isn't just hearsay. We were talking about the difference between bucks and does or bowls and cows. And I was saying like, you know, to knock down the population, you kill cows, usually, right? If they think there's too many elk or too many whatever, they'll issue more cow tags, which led us to an interesting point. Yes.

Nine women and one man can repopulate the earth, but nine men and one woman cannot. But the second one will be your favorite, right? And we can get rid of the woman. I just be like all both did, period. So nine women, one man. That's a lucky bastard. Think about it. I mean, it's going to be a lot of drama.

Yeah, but you're getting bitched out. Like, when are you going to? And wash the cars from nine women. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, everything's a balance, right? Oh. The price of fucking... What's a good part?

I mean, you're fucking as much in nine for the price of one. The real question is, do you think you can handle nine? I mean, I've been with the same one my whole life, so I don't know. We're going to ask a player out there and see. I've been married since something like 12. Hey, that's how they... That's how Ecuador rolls, I guess, huh? Yeah.

Okay. So good. I did want to talk about your workouts, Cam. Chito, have you seen him post his workouts? The lifting ones? Just like the, well, the ones that it caused a lot of great disdain were standing on the ball and lifting. Oh, I've seen. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. What do you think about that? I mean, pretty bainty. Pretty what? Bainty, a lot of veins. Oh, veins? And then, like, kind of funny, but I know the benefits of the, you know. know, tendons and shit.

Yeah, yeah. Well, you like, okay, so maybe like, I guess why my workouts might make sense more would be after packing the deer today. What do you think? So, like carrying the rock is kind of weird. Those are weird. I'm always trying to, like, test my body in different positions because as you can attest to you after today.

Yeah. I mean, the rock thing makes a thousand percent sense. You, on top of the ball with the balance, it looks funny. but I get it. Yeah. We were, when I had the elk. Deer.

Yeah, the deer, you can pack an elk. That's impossible. Unless you're giant. The deer, you go on muddy ground. Yeah. When the wood in the ground is wet,

good, a lot was you eating shit. That's an end at an angle. I felt so hard before that today that it was heavy, but you need to turn your body on a stable.

And going uphill, not in perfect condition, makes perfect sense. Yeah. Like having like a rock moving you, like if you're hunting often, you got to do that kind of weird shit because just like I run and live and I fight. Like I'm strong. Yeah. But that kind of strange, you just don't get it from punching the back and running long miles because the surface is so unstable.

table, you're hitting grass, you're hitting wood that is left over from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from things that can go run. Yeah. I, I, I, I felt with the elk in my back when I was crossing that little, like, river or water. Yeah. It was like, you have to step over little trees and then, yeah, it was, it's heavy. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a, and heavy, you mean, like, intense. Intense. Yeah, it's a lot. Like, going up the hill. with that unstable way, like you gotta grab the horns you, the legs here.

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Yeah. Like I fell and I was like I can do it more. And then I see like a half log like I don't know like 30 feet away. And I say, okay, let's push till then that and that kind of move will make it half. And then I can pass it over. Yeah. Because otherwise it was wait five, 10 minutes, but you don't want the meat to been the ground like that.

Right. Yeah. Luckily you were there. Save the day. You did a great job. I mean, like I said, I said, we know you're a badass, you know, so you don't have anything to prove. And you still took that.

I mean, you're a beast, dude. It was awesome. But the point is, it's like you can't. And I had people like saying, oh, I don't know, saying like there's no benefit to doing what I do. I'm like, go carry a fucking buck up the mountain. Let me know. Let me know if you might have a different point of view.

Because I don't know what you're training for, but I know what I'm training for. Yeah. Right. And I know how I train prepares me for what I had to do today. And it makes sense. We all train for what we do. Like, and some people this is strong enough that can cross over. Like, you run.

You do ultras. You live like, you just don't hunt. Like some people just do more than one thing. Yeah. And if you're sorry I can do more than one thing, fuck you. I mean, that's no one's fault. That's a new t-shirt. We got a lot of...

This week, we came with at least eight T-shirts ideas. What are some other T-shirts we have? We got Love Me or Hate Me. All you could do is watch. That's a good one. That's from Pete Weber. Yep. Cheeto came up with one.

He's kind of a big idea guy, right, Cheeto? Great idea guy. Great idea guy. Great and big. Yeah. So listen to this. Great idea. Are you going to tell them?

Yeah Which one? Where you guys are Handing off the heart On the front of the shirt And on the back you guys are making I was I was

I was balls deep on the front of the shirt With the handing off the heart That's a sick picture But then we got to the back of the shirt And I was just like I say AI We can workshop that one I say AI

I didn't say we have to actually do it Well we don't do anything AI here And we can do one of one. We're fighting AI, so it has to be authentic. Yeah, I got to get true. Okay, well, then. But I did, we did hug after you killed the buck. Yeah, we did hug.

We got a hugging picture. But yeah, okay. Was there another one? Someone, someone texts me, great engagement photo. I say, fuck you, a friend of mine. I was like, dude, that's not cool. We'll take that one. We'll take that over the, you're a Satanist.

Yeah. I mean, that, all this shit, talk. I'm okay. I go to church. I go with my family to church. I pray. I wear my rosary. I go like this.

I pray every day. I say, thank you. I ask for my family. No, no, putting me that side. One thing we like to say on shit talkers

is it's all love. So you can say whatever you want, but you just have to say it's all love. You can say they're the biggest piece of shits you've ever come across or you've ever met or whatever. And you'd like to put a bullet in their head

but it's all love okay I mean that's what that's what I'd say about rap is they should put a bullet on their heads and not love

no love on that yeah no love on that but everything else it's all love like if I became a successful politician I would make that bill past the first week

I like it you might have some pushback who's not allowed in that like why we're not allowed in that what killing rapists. Oh, who wouldn't support that?

Yeah. Probably all the politicians that are rapists. Is that fax or a conspiracy? That's, that's, I don't know who said that. Who's, who say that? Yeah, I don't. Okay, fuck check it. Fuck check it.

What was another T-shirt? I know we had more. This is a good one. Film me, bitch. Oh, yeah, yeah. See, that's another good idea. Yeah, so that's what, that's James's, James's job basically is, well, there's two verses.

We had to decide. Is it bitch, film me, or fill me, bitch? Film me, bitch. Okay. Because bitch, film is kind of like a nice way to say. It's like, film me, bitch, like degenerating the person. Right. So I don't, I don't need any, I don't want any constructive feedback.

I don't need to hear anything else. I don't need, I don't care about anything. Film me. Yeah, I like to think about it as I'm asking questions of like what you want and you just say, film me, bitch. That's right. So that's a great t-shirt. Yeah.

That's a great. That's a great. Good idea guy. In the filmmaker, war will be sold out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that'd be good. Like Hollywood, uh, produce. Oh, for sure.

For sure. Though, Stephen Spielberg. You was in Brad Pitt with the teacher. Yeah. Walking in New York, Adam Sandler. Yeah, not Stephen Spielberg. But, yeah. Is he alive?

Yeah. Brad Pitt? No, it's Spielberg? Yeah. I think so. Jurassic Park, baby, come on. Yeah, yeah. So, but he's doing the filming.

So, like, I don't know if the stars would say that to him, though. Maybe. Maybe he like it, well. They should. I don't. Hey, can we come to my fucking trailer? The trailer's rocking? Don't come knocking.

That happens a lot in Hollywood. That's what I heard. What were some other ones? I don't know. Yeah, we had like eight. You said we had eight. We need to make one for Uncle Keb. for Uncle Kev?

Yeah. Like a T-shirt? Yeah. He's OG. The Electro Man. I know. He's just OG. He's like, he did all the cooking today.

He cooked good. Yeah, he did a great job. He did deliver. The onions were fucking fire. Disgusting. No. For real? No, we don't like onions.

I love onions. No, we don't. Why? I don't like them. I like, here's what I like. Two things. Meat, potatoes. Heavy on the meat.

heavy in the meat for sure but come on now onions and liver come on man uh well yeah i mean liver's i guess meat right but not onions come around man they can fire right you say it don't be a bitch oh the onions were fire yeah yeah they're really good yeah so kevin i'm not sure his t-shirt would be um yeah o g badass yeah he is he's a i love i love kevin he's a great guy Yeah, we He's funny too I know He's got those linemen one liners

Yeah Yeah Yeah he was He was funny for sure Yeah what did he say What was his joke The uh The boss drives up to like a work site

And the the worker is like You know Doing a good job He's working really hard And the boss comes up and says Man you're doing a really good job You know Keep that up

And you know You just driven up In a brand new truck And he says You keep that up And next year I can buy a brand new Another brand new truck

Yeah I butcher that, but that's what you should expect. We're not surprised. I'm surprised you got even that. And then then he told a joke and then it was funny. That was a good lie. I remember that. That was the first day.

Yeah. That's a good one though. So that's what linemen do. They just tell one-liner jokes all the time and usually just talk shit to each other. It's cool. It's fun. I mean, I don't know. I wasn't a lineman, but I've been around a lot.

of them in that area there's a lot of them right well no i worked at the utility here so i worked at i was in the water department the linemen aren't electric but yeah so we co-mingled occasionally same same water electric no they they uh linemen are their own own breed they don't they don't they don't like uh yeah they're very uh proud of their work because their work's important and dangerous And so, yeah, they, yeah, I don't know. Just difference. It's construction. Anybody who's in construction, like what they do is everything.

Is everything. Yeah, and I get it. In water, when you're putting water lying in, that's important, and they're all about it. So, yeah, you got to have pride in what you do. And they, yeah, they're all about it for sure. So I don't, it's all good with me. I love people who are, you know, believe in themselves. I mean, those jobs are the ones that keeps everything.

They're the ones that should be celebrated over anything. It's like why we have, you know, we have water when we go to the tap. We have electricity when turn the lights on and power when we want to heat our house. So, yeah, they're the, I mean, they're the everyday heroes, really. They get not that much love compared to the people who actually do good love that probably undeserved. But yeah, I'm a fan of a blue color worker for sure. What else you got? Okay.

Kind of switching it up. But I just wanted to ask you, have you checked? out Hoyt's new bow. Have I? Yeah, I didn't notice you were if you were hunting with it this year or not. Yeah, that's like, so here's these bows come out. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to hunt with anything I haven't like shot a lot with. And you know how serious I take hunting. Right. And these bows come out. It's, it's one, it's kind of a pet peeve that, you know, we're supposed to like get dialed in with our equipment, believe in it, we're going to kill an animal with it, but then a new one comes out and like, oh, well, we've got to market this because the launch is here. So could you

use this, you know, on this hunt? You're going on tomorrow. Like, no, no. And people do that. It's, it's, it kind of, it drives me a little crazy that people, um, they say, oh, I got to use this new stuff because, you know, my sponsor wants me to. And it could maybe make this animal suffer, maybe make me less proficient. But it's because they're a sponsor. It's like I'm going to push the envelope on this. I don't. Anyway, I haven't shot the new bow because it's like I'm not, I, you know, I got it,

I think right before elk season. And there's no way I'm going to be using a new bow that I haven't fully vetted and shoot an arrow at an animal before that happens. You want to get super familiar in practice for a long time. before you go on the real target. Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, it takes a while to set up a bow, too. I mean, it's, you know, rifles are one thing, but with a bow,

it's like even getting your sight tape perfect, just getting, there's a lot of little things that. It's way harder. You have to be familiar with. I shoot a lot of guns and a bow is a different animal. Oh, yeah. And just killing an animal with an arrow, especially like an elk.

And, no, I mean, so I have the new bow and it looks great. I'm sure it's amazing. And I'm going to get it set up. But, you know, there's no way on short notice it takes me probably i mean i could potentially if i was shooting like maybe out of a blind or at a you know i've taken new bows like on a bear hunt where i'm going to shoot like 20 yards i can shoot 20 yards pretty accurate with almost any new setup but you know hunting is it's like so unpredictable out there even just you know what we did the last couple days

it's like you don't know what situation can be faced with and you know potentially like I could say, oh, well, I'm going to limit myself to 20 yards if I call a bull in and keep that range short. But if you hit a bull and you have to, you know, just like that buck took off today, now, now you're like, well, if I got an arrow in it, I need to get another airline to try to kill it. Maybe that's at 60, 70, 80 yards. And you hadn't really had time to make sure that that bow and your ability are married up perfectly. It's like, I don't know. I feel like it's disrespectful. And I'm never going to do that. Just I don't, I don't care what a sponsor. and a partner says, I'm just like, I have to believe in what I use above anything, above,

yeah, above anything. So, no, I haven't. I haven't, but I will, and I'm pumped. And there's another, there's a new, a new one coming out too that I'm pretty excited about. I don't know if they've announced it, but yeah, so we'll see. But no, I haven't. Good question. Chito, now that you've killed a deer with a rifle, any future plans for bow hunting?

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from myself right now as we're speaking I would love to keep shooting with a rifle just because how familiar I am with guns and how comfy feel with like you know with shooting and I don't know I should every week my guns all of them especially the one I carry

that's the one that I put the most rounds because I was even saying like this one of the best shooters in the world was saying when you go to the ranch and you do over 50 rounds that's a waste so I kind of like took that as

advice to go quick shooting like almost like two marks per gun boom boom boom and go. Okay. So shooting like too much is not. Because then you're just like, there's a point that you're just like shooting for shoot. Like yeah. Because you once you get tired, a lot of things can go. But if you go sharp and you go, you go 50 rounds, blah, blah, blah. And then your aiming is going to you go to, but I go every week. That's why it's better to split in little sessions.

Yeah. Yeah. Short stints. Yeah. And hunting like I do, you gave, you, uh, give me a, which I use often at home, not as often as I shoot guns. It's fun on the target. Yeah. But, I mean, eventually I will probably try, but, I mean, for that, I need another kind of training. Yeah. I mean, probably the same time that I have put the last five years in shooting guns. Mm-hmm.

But I like guns. Yeah. I don't, I would love to, I mean, they're getting closer with the bow. It's probably more exciting. Yeah. It's more like more adrenaline, but I love my guns. I think starting off hunting with a rifle is great. I think you have to get used to the whole process.

And you know, you got a little more leeway with the rifle because we were at 250 yards today with a bow. You'd have to get 50 or closer. And that's very difficult when you have a hunted. There's skills you need to develop. And you do that slowly with the rifle. It's more room for air. and then higher likelihood of success,

which that keeps everybody, that keeps you energized and like, oh, I want to do this more. I taste it. You might go, you might bow hunt for 10 years and never kill anything. It is so hard, right?

I mean, even today, when I was looking through the scope, like when I hit the plate earlier. Yeah, 600 yards. Yeah. 600 yards. Yeah. Far.

I was looking through the scope, breathe, let my breathe go. Boom. Hit it. I was telling you, I said, if we can do it perfectly, you can watch through the scope, watch the bullet hit. That was a great advice because if you were to say that, I would probably shoot and look up. And that would make the bullet move. But in the steel player, when, I hit it.

On the real action, when the deer was down, was sitting down, the thing was, like, I was looking to the hole, but I was doing this. And I was like, come on, come on, relax, relax, okay, I'm a soul. So with the bow gotta be even worse because that happened to me When I'm like in my backyard And I'm like looking through the thing And I'm just seeing like the thing going like that And I'm like, okay, calm down, come down, come down

And then my shoulders get extremely sore So I would do probably like half an hour To 45 minutes And then I make sure I put the The little box to practice Kind of like near the plants So have something to stop it before hits the wall I don't, and I have, I think I have only for one arrow.

Like, I've been pretty clean with the shoot. Yeah, that's good. But, I mean, if I will transition, I probably will get like one of those, like, fake dears. Yeah. Because that's like the next level of practice, I think. Yeah. It's good. It's, you know, there's nothing like those real life reps.

Like today, you shot at 600, perfect. You know, you were like this far off at 600 yards, which is amazing. And on the animal, it's just different. It looks like now everything's elevated. You got adrenaline. You were prone when you shot the 600. We couldn't get prone to deer hunt because there's grass and stuff in the way. And that buck was bedded downhill.

So we're shooting downhill. So it's a tougher angle. And I was, so I was proud of myself at the beginning and then disappointed of myself at the end. But I, you know, saw that buck bedded. I'm like, that's a nice buck, old buck. what we want and I was just like okay it's calm I'm like Cheeto are you ready to kill buck I said let's just we got to relax I said there's a bug bedded everything's going to be good that was where I was proud of myself because it's like you can you know people around you're

going to match your energy right and if I'm like oh my god get okay get here which is what I did later in that scenario but it's a point is it's like it is so intense right it is intense And that's with a rifle even. So with a bow at closer range and you're more fatigued potentially or you're that adrenaline spiking because animals closer and you know with an arrow you have to make you get one chance with an arrow basically. It's just everything is more intense, more important, more elevated. And it's I think getting those game time reps into the rifle helps an archer later down the road. Right. I want to say transition.

Yeah, no, I feel like, I feel like, get really good with a rifle get few kills with a rifle. Yep. And then go back to baby steps with an arrow. Like, with a rifle, you can keep getting bigger animal, bigger animal. Then when you're ready for archery, archery, go back to a deer and go back to a small animal. But as is now, I just want to keep hunting. I mean, it's fun. It's really fun and it's

I mean, that's what we're supposed to do. Yeah, that's what man's done forever. That's what the man of the house goes out, find the food and bring it home, and that's exactly what we're doing. And it feels the taste of that f***ing meat when, like I have to get meat sent by friends that they kill the animal, that feels amazing.

My friends go fish, bring me this great tuna, grade, whatever. That feels like from family to family. But when you caught it, when you kill the animal, that's a different animal. It means more. It's just, it's like, you know, yeah, you could maybe get a fat ribby steak that might have a little more flavor if that's all you're after. But there's not meaning in it. There's not, you don't know anything about that steak. You don't know anything about its life or what happened or how it was killed or how it got to, you know, to your barbecue or whatever you're cooking in.

but you know everything about that liver of that deer today and it just makes it so maybe the flavor's a little different but it means more and it means more as a human like that's that's what we're designed to do right provide kill provide um share with those who we love so taste taste is whatever i'm just like this is meaningful right it is meaningful like even when the few the first few pieces of like the turloin that we eat today I felt like kind of like I was like

you felt the power of that shit yeah because I mean that animal's been like four or five years on the while you know having fun eating good it's a cycle of life yeah I mean God provides yeah and now we're eating good

I mean but it wasn't like you just like cornered the animal in a farm during the open woods There's a bear, coyotes. There's lions all around there. Elk, deer. I mean, it's, you know, it's... We were, it was, that bear was close to.

Getting a tag on the spot. I know. The fuck went away. Yeah, this is a crazy time for bear to show up, November. You know, I mean, I didn't expect, I didn't have you get it because I didn't expect it. But did you have something you're going to add? I mean, I got other topics. I do, I do, I wanted to talk about.

Chito earlier, you said, like, the feeling of killing that deer, once we were back at the cabin, you were like, man, that kind of feels like winning a fight. Yeah, like the emotions were, it's like high emotions. I feel like that was like in a fight, which is what I do for living, like you train so hard and you put your life in the line and then you go to compete in front of millions of people. but the feeling of the actual moment and when you get your hand raised was very similar to prepping flying here a full day of looking for one find nothing go home sleep wake up at 5 in the morning go again look for one found one get ready look in the animal through through the

scope and then taking the first shot miss it you know you start getting like like, oh, I'm going to lose, I'm going to lose it. And for people that understand this, the animal can go away and it's gone forever. Second shot, miss. You're like, oh, this is my fucking chance. Then you're thinking, like, driving back home with a failure is going to a fuck. Third shot came in, boom. Hit him in the heart.

Thank God, we're eating good today. But once that happened and you're walking down to pick up the catch, it was a crazy feeling like the euphoria of like this is it just felt great i mean it's hard even to like put it into words but it's a good feeling knowing that you're going to eat from your kill like i said early like it just tastes different the food it just felt powerful yeah i get that i'm i was curious when you're explaining that are there times in fights where your your brain is like thinking about all that like i'm losing i'm losing and then you know all you're thinking you're thinking about you're thinking about all the work, everything you've done,

and then all of a sudden, you land something big, and then your hands raised, just like that. It had happened many times, and to a lot of people, like, sometimes, you know, fighting is ugly. I mean, fighting is, it's no one of those things that you can, you can game plan,

you can talk science, and there's so much, like, in fighting, the only problem is, like, a lot of people that really doesn't belong there. I'm talking in the coaching, inside, they can sneak through it. That doesn't happen in boxing. That doesn't happen in basketball.

That doesn't happen in the NFL. But like, you like, UFC, there's a bunch of like nonsense. Like a lot of people that try to be like, hey, dude, if you do 20 pushups and then you sprint, that's when I give you power. Like, there's a lot of like boots like that in MMA. But like, when you're like having, you know, fuck that spot and then you start thinking about like, I put all this work. And then you've catched, it's like, it's a crazy feeling.

And then you have a full arena. Everybody's screaming. And at the high level, you've, I mean, you can really know who's going to win. Like, anyone can really win in any giving night. It's, yeah. So what I was picking up there was like, it's primal. So you can have this game plan and you can, you know, strategize and do all this. It's a fight.

It's two men fight, you know, potentially two women, but two men fighting each other. And it doesn't go as scripted sometimes. You're going to get caught with stuff. You're going to get whatever. You're a human. So you have these thoughts that come in. Well, hunting's the same. Hunting can be ugly also.

It's not perfect. I mean, if it's perfect, that first shot would have landed perfect, Buck would have went down. But it's not perfect. It's like, no. Now we're scrambling. and you're trying to make the best of it, like, how can I fix this by making this? I got to make the shot hit. And fighting is the same.

And it's like, I think that's what we're drawn to is these primal endeavors as men fighting and hunting. That's been around since man has been around. That's how you survive. You fight and you hunt. And some things never change. It's like, do you have to? No.

Like back, you know, whenever men first existed, you probably had to to survive. We wouldn't be here if our ancestors didn't fight and hunt, right? But now you don't have to, but there's some men who still do it. And it's, it feels right. It feels right. I mean, it doesn't make it easy, though. It doesn't make it any easy. You can literally make a noise and the animal is gone.

And when that animal go through the trees, you will never find the animal. Like, it's just gone for the rest of the life. Yeah. You said that like when that bear disappeared in the timber, you're like, well, can we go in there? And I'm like, we can. But chess is a fight. I mean, it's, it's going to be tough. They're so quiet. We're so noisy conversely. They have pads on their feet. They don't have hooves like a deer or an elk. So they're quite. You can't even hear them, just like a lion. You can't hear them at all. We're like got boots and things like that. So no, once they're gone, they're pretty much gone. Right. And that's just. And the amount of ground, they can cover. over is yeah nuts even if we're printing you're not even close to that yeah yeah it's uh so anyway i think that's i think that's part of the allure to it it's like it's just primal desire or calling to fight and hunt for some people some people maybe to that's as foreign as i don't even know what whatever something very foreign is but it doesn't feel right it doesn't feel natural but it is natural and i mean it is not even running i mean people

run from village to village just to like survive like maybe that's why I love those three things I mean there's what kids do when they little they run they play they eat if they got smart parts they eat like good nutrient dense food and

it's like it's just there like there's I saw this big race it was I think it was from LA to Vegas and these ladies from Peru on a full dress and leather I saw that. Smoke everybody.

Yeah. That, if that doesn't wake you up. Yeah. They're not like Jack and a sponsor by Nike or, no. No, they're in a fucking full on dress. That's what they do. Humans were designed to do that. And if that lady can do it, what makes you think that you can do it?

Right. Right. But instead of that, you just, you decide to bitch and go eat my fucking McDonald's. Nay. You had Dairy Queen. Yeah. For the first time ever. He was delicious.

I mean, you got to give props to that kind of shit. They made it good to our fake trick people like, oh, this is so good. And then you're a fat. Well, that's the thing. Guys like us that we understand health is like, yeah, I mean, we're in the middle of a hunt. Sure. Could we go grab a steak and cook it? Sure.

But we're going to walk five to, we're going to walk a lot of miles up and down the woods. need some calories. We're going to burn this shit. Yeah. But that's what I like, I like, like, when I tell my friends or like normal people, like, it's okay, you can cheat. I'm not telling you to be this cold follower like, no, I don't eat that. No, I don't eat bread.

No, you can eat some shit. Yeah. But if like 90% of your diet is clean, dense food, like steak, chicken, salmon, salmon, vegetables, fruit, rice, like, like, all the normal shit. moderate, you'll be fine. You can eat Derek Quinn. That's what's hard. Is they make that shit so good?

You have it? You want it again. It's just like... You know what's crazy? Like if I ate like a bowl of rice with a steak and avocado, I'm full. Yeah. You eat fucking dead and queen.

I eat a double cheese butter with bacon. The moment it's on my stomach, you goes, I want more. It feels like that. you haven't even eaten. Yeah. Yeah. But then you are full.

It's just so fucking tasty that make you think you want more, but you don't want more. I know. You don't want more. It's a, yeah. It's a slippery slope. What do you got, shit, Tucker? Well, speaking of running, we were talking about ultras. I mean, okay, I can't call them an ultra anymore.

We were talking about 50Ks in the truck. Yeah. Well, for some people, it is. Not for me. you're built different yeah because I'm built different and I'm so good and I'm the gatekeeper of all ultras

Cheeto any plans to run an ultra marathon man you put me in the spot I already put myself on the spot I'm gonna say I was selling

my three running friends from back home and I was like hey guys I mean they're like real runners I'm just a fan of the sport I was like hey guys for my birthday which is December 2nd

I would like to run a mile for each year, which is 33 miles. And then I went, why didn't that I'm setting myself up for do something that stupid? And of course I replied, yeah, we can base you the whole time. Yeah, for those for it is nothing. They run 20 miles just because, just because. And then I went, I've been running up to 12 miles lately pretty often. So I'm like, I'm sure I can do it. But do I have to?

But I already say it out loud. So deep down in my heart, I say, if I can get to 26, I think I can go home and celebrate my birthday with my family. But I also know myself. If I hit 26, I'm like, what is seven more? Yeah. It's nothing. Well, I'm going to say, just because this is like documented, I'm going to say, if you don't run 33 miles on your birthday, you're a pussy. Yeah.

Thank you. But it's all love. It's all love. That's not like hate at all. Here's the other thing. Let's say you plan to do 26 for your birthday and you take a wrong turn and you end up with. See, that's what he says. He says it's a marathon with the wrong term.

Well. And he's a gatekeeper of all the altruis. From what you guys told me, 31. Yeah, that's an ultra. It's the beginning of an old one. Well, not for him. For him. For some people.

How many of those have you done? three. Yeah, you can talk shit if you have done three. You did three? Well, I did two sanctioned ones. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, see, so he said on this,

I don't know if it's on here. But anyway, he said he made it a public declaration. I can't say it, declaration. Yeah. That he was going to run 50 miles on the track. On the track? Yeah. So, like, laughing like nonstop?

Yeah. That's stupid. Yeah, but you know how? did he do it? No. So you can say whatever. It's like, I'm going to run

2,000 miles tomorrow. Yeah. You can say whatever you want. True. If you don't follow through, you're a pussy. That's why I say. If you say you got to do it,

you have to do it or you're like James. That's what when I told them, I was like, you know, I think I want to run this much. And I was expecting them to be like, not expecting that, but I thought it was like,

oh, we're busy or whatever. They all went like, oh, fuck, yeah, we're doing with you. And I went like, Like, dude, you run with the king of Moab? I know. I'm doing it with Max.

Well, he told me he would do it. Now I'm putting him on the spot too. That's what I said my friends because I don't want to put pressure on them. Yeah. I want to see Travis do it also because you're, you, that's another running buddy. And I don't think he's done an old, I don't know if he's done a marathon yet. I think he have to do. Oh, no, he did.

Did he? A full one? I don't know. As what I know, he does 13 very often. Yeah, quite a bit. Yeah. He's, he's done. He's good.

He knows he can do it. I just don't know when he's willing to do it. But he runs. He's also a rock star. He runs fast. He's got, he doesn't have all the time in the world probably. Yeah,

no, he's, he don't, the fact that he runs this much is actually admired because I'm sure he got a lot of shit to do. Yeah. He looks music with people. Like, he does a lot of shit.

He's an actual superstar. He doesn't do drums and shit. Yeah. Like, he have like collaboration with a lot of artists. Right. Yeah. So, like,

That shit can be easy. No. I'm guessing there's a lot of paperwork. I'm fucking shit to do in the music world. But he runs fast. Yeah. Like the last time we ran, it was,

I told you the story, I broke my rib before a fight, so I pulled down. Who is that fight so speaking? I was fighting in Battista. Oh, okay. So I broke my rib four weeks before the fight.

Oh. So I took nine weeks off because I couldn't do shit. Yeah. And then on the week, number eight when I was clear to start running. Travis is like, yo,

you want to run 13? And I'm like, shh, yeah, wrong with you 13. Like, I'm guessing we're going to do a, a chill-paced one.

Yeah. I didn't know it was official. Oh, 13. He invited you to a race. Yeah, like with medals and shit. And then the day before,

one of his people saying me like, oh, we got your bin. And they went, oh, this is like a real one. And you're a bib with no. and like, hey, pin this on, we're ready to go. And I was like, I look back, I'm like, I don't drink.

I don't party. So I should be in, because I wasn't crazy, good shape for the fight. Yeah. So I'm like, seven weeks of just walking around, I could be healthy. Man, on mile six, my body was f*** up. And I was like, I can quit to Travis. Like, he's going to think I'm a bitch. So I was like, I didn't tell him until the end, but I was like, I have never felt like that.

Like my legs were falling apart. My groin was hurting. My knees were hurting. My Achilles, everything was just like telling me, give up, give up, give up. And but the thing I was, the reason I was giving up, he was pushing like a high sevens. And I was like, you know, I can just go behind and let the crew. go because again I'm a bitch so I'm just biting the

muppies and trying so hard thank God eventually we'll finish and when I look to my to my watch it was like one of my fastest ever yeah PR so in 13 and I was like he's running good so I'm sure he's like

I mean he's for sure ready for a marathon I just don't know when he's gonna do it but he's in shape now yeah that's awesome he push running good that's cool that you push that hard too so you prove something of yourself that, you know, I mean, you're hurting and you're pushing. I was like my legs, like my lower body really was like, yo, please stop. Yeah.

You haven't run in eight weeks. Like, just stop. And I was like, I can't. Yeah. It was so much people around. What was my excuse? I'm not in shape. I'm like, bitch, your job is to be in shape.

But I was. About pushing and hurting. That's my kind of thing now. But from behind. Right? With love. Yeah, it's all. It's all that.

Oh, man. Yeah. That's great. Pushing and grinding. And hurting. It hurts so good. When you're going to tell your family? My family doesn't listen to this.

Yeah. Yeah. What else he got? Cheeto and I's fight. I'm thinking we do a celebrity boxing match. but I hate that the new the new

the idea guy so the new fighting thing I mean it's cool but it's like at least I don't know it's

I mean Connor was a creator of this yeah since Connor fought Floyd all these YouTubers shows are happening they just see

the money in boxing I think yeah I don't know why is there so much money in boxing I mean it's

it's not so there's only 10 guys making that money. And then also, some of them never get paid. Like, I don't think Diaz ever got paid, did he? For his boxing? No way, he didn't get paid. I don't know. I thought I read, I know some people haven't got paid.

And did Logan Paul ever get paid from Floyd? He keeps saying, no, but they took so much so much to each other that is hard to know. Yeah, I know. I even saw that Jake's fight with Davis got canceled. I just saw tonight. Yeah, but I'm glad. I mean, that's really like a freak show. I'm okay.

I don't care if Jake fight former UFC fighters on quarter of older guys. That doesn't matter. Like, if you think about it, go and look the record of every superstar in boxing or a real champion in boxing. They always start with a padding record. Yeah. When they're like a future champ or someone that have a lot of. lot of potential, they fight a bunch of, like, low-level boxers. They still can lose to a guy like that because those are real boxers just with not the

right direction. Right. And at some point, they just become the guys that fight the other guys that could be something. Right. So what Jake did at the beginning fighting UFC guys, that's perfect. That's what every boxer do. Just because he's extremely famous and on the public eye, he gets criticized.

Oh, you should fight real box. If you're two and no, what makes you think he's going to go and fight Canelo? Yeah. It's just... It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Even if the money is crazy. Yeah.

For a guy like Canelo, it's like, why I'm going to open the doors for you to make you real? Because Connell is going to make that money anyway. Exactly. So now, because Jake has been winning, now he's at a spot that he can fight a boxer. Like, like, I feel like now probably is the perfect time to fight something like Fury instead of fighting him earlier. Right, yeah. With Fury, yeah, he's not his brother Tyson, but he's still, I'm sure, a very good boxer. Yeah.

So I don't know why they get, I mean, Logan went full WWE, which God bless him because he's making millions. Oh, he's kicking out. He don't have to be a fighter. But Jake, I don't hate him for what he's doing. he's actually doing a good job. He's fighting. Yeah. Yeah.

So you're like, he's just fighting the 30, 50 pounds. Yeah. Yeah. That's it's kind of like a, it's freak. It's like weird. Yeah.

I understand that. Yeah. I get what you're saying. I mean, I don't, whatever, but I think, so you did say something like I said,

why is there so much money in boxing? You said there's only a handful of guys making that much. But that's the same with UFC because, because you could look at UFC and say, yeah, like there's some stars that make huge million dollar payday. Like John Jones. is going to make if he comes back and fights Pereira. That's millions. But the

guys on our prelims are making triple that the prelimbed guys on the boxing. Because when you see a big boxing car is the main and the co-main. Below that, it's unheard of. You'll never heard of them again. Right. And UFC

has like names some of those cars from top to bottom. They make more money. Can we make more money? Of course we can always make more money. Did I want? a few more zeros, thousand percent I take them. Yeah.

But pays way better than boxing. Like way better than boxing. Since this is shit talkers and it's all love, do you think that it, could it ever come up like, do you think it had ever come up like this guy, so if you get you shown your win money and like you're big, it's big numbers.

And the guy you're fighting maybe doesn't have as big as numbers. If it's a close fight, would there ever be pressure on a judge to be like awarded to the guy making less to save money? I mean, it's not impossible to happen. I mean, there's some crazy calls out there. Yeah, I know.

That's why I was like, where do these calls come from? It just seems... I mean, I feel... Sure, keep those fucking dinosaurs that suck dick at judging. That's fine. Keep them. I don't care. It's all love.

It's all love. I mean, not really. But at least, at least. on the big screen, just put 10-9 or 10-8. Just let me know who won. Because even if that's run, I'm going to try to win.

Yeah, bring it. The problem, what everybody has told me is like, yeah, but if you want two rounds, the UFC's worried about the last run, you just dance and play dumb. I'm like, sure. But if that other guy goes,

it's, I already lost his fight. I'm going to go crazy. You might have one of the craziest performances or chaos out there. But I think my point is stronger than the guy winning two rounds just dancing. Because if the other guy is broken, it's going to fight without willing to win anyways. I don't think there's a negative to it. I think that's all positive because I can think of a fight

that just happened. Roundtree and Perreter. Not Perreira. Yuri. Yeah. So everybody knew Roundtree was up 2-0. It was simple. I don't care if it was up there or not. He knew he's up 2-0.

God, Yuri knew he was down. So he's like, I got to finish him. And he did. All Roundtree had to do is survive. And he couldn't. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you, but if it's up there, at least you know. Yeah, but there's also fights that are a little close, but most people think, even the fighter, think who's winning.

And those are the ones that you need, oh, we're one, one. I thought it felt like two oh. Yeah. So that third round, you will see two people fighting. It's sort of like more like, I'm going to get in control, I want to put pressure, but I'm also not going to play stupid. Yeah. But if you used to go, oh, we're one, one, I'm going to kill you now. Yeah, I don't.

Open scoring should be, I mean, that's not even asking for too much. No, no. I feel if you ask me, like, a few points to fix the JFC for better, I say, you put, just put the scoring. So the coaches are like, dude, you're losing. I don't care why you think you're losing. You go and kill this. That's number one.

number two an eye poke it's not the gloves fall they make a comparison like UFC glove pride glove that's bullshit

poking someone in the eye is a bitch move because you your reflex you get scared you do this yeah you poke someone in the eye

is your fault it's intentional unintentional we don't know I will say something that I have heard for a lot of fighters that is cheating

they always say dude you have one warning might as well take it that's bullshit you should be fired and go off yeah you fight with your hands close i get it reflex even i was watching one of my fight there was one fight that i went like that yeah and you can see how i'm correcting myself i went like this and i went don't do that that's self awareness i feel like you poke big poke small poke our That's one point. If that rule goes like that, you throw a low kick, you hit my dick by accident, one point.

No warning, not nothing. Of course, if it's a low kick that hit the leg and looks like it's a groin, they can comeers. They can rewind that. Simple as that. But every foul is one point. You grab the fence. I don't care if it was one second or two seconds. One point.

I guarantee you a lot of fighters. will become really aware of that. They'll clean it up. Because one point changed the whole fight. Yeah. The whole entire fight. And then you go, this is the boring part of it. If I'm grinding you the ground, but I'm not killing you.

Doesn't matter. Boring fight. But the referee, you can stand me up. Yeah. If I'm just holding you and I'm not doing nothing, is the job of the other guy to get up. Get up. Get up then.

If I get boring, pay the guy less for being a border fighter. Make him exciting. But don't take him out of his position. Yeah. He took the guy down. Sometimes you see guys are going like, referee. I'm like, bitch, shut the fuck. Get out.

And I'm not a wrestler. I'm off. I ride a strike. Yeah. So this rule goes against me. Right. Right. But it doesn't make sense.

I like all those. Yeah, it's like what, nobody ever fights with their hands open. No. It's a gay move. They go like, oh. Yeah. It's like, I'm sorry for what I say. It's all love.

It's all love. I don't fight UFC, so I don't know, but that does make sense. Like, you're here, right? Yeah. Or sometimes I get it. I like to, like, move, feel, but I'm here. What is that for? Like, what do you think?

Why do you have your hands like that? Is it? Like, because when someone punch, I like to, like, I part it. I part it. Oh. You know, you don't block like this. Oh, I see. You can.

Yeah. But here, there's no iPok. Okay. It's. all the way out then you heard someone out so if you go hey guys

for now on every foul I poke grog groin kick grabbing fence I can think of another foul

yeah those three is one point deduction and you would see a positive change in the UFC that's yeah

those are all great suggestions and then the open score would be beautiful Oh, yeah. What's the problem with just knowing who wound around? I know, I know.

Just a 10-9 number. And I think it would, I don't know, I don't know if it affected judges. Maybe they'd be, I don't know, they're criticized anyway, so maybe that wouldn't make any difference on how they, because I think people would see the score. And if they disagreed, I wonder if they'd be booing. Like, if the judges got that wrong. I mean, you know, maybe. And that would change the energy because if they're saying like 10A,

our 109 and it's a wrong one they go like boo so now the fighter that he got got a bad scoring and he actually won he's gonna get pumped down and there is going to have the pressure

of the crowd being and he f***ing you I think that's good I think there needs to be pressure on those fissors and it's an important job it takes 100 thousands of dollars away from you that last decision I I thought it won and I have heard from so many people.

But I mean, it's kind of like, makes no sense for me to keep going on it. Just because it's a bad look, but it takes my ranking position, takes my chance to move up and fight someone ahead of me. I take a lot of money from my pay, from sponsors. They're like, hey, dude, we can have you if you lose fights

because that's how this world works. And the future sponsor award, thinking about signing me they were like ah you lost so that hurts you on a long way my my team gets also half pay because I get half pay right it's a big deal

it's a big deal and then it's like people can't even think that you want even a lot of people around think you want you still got a treat it as a loss yeah you still got to go back to the gym with a loss so it's like there's a lot of things that's going on that much your career and then you got to really work hard and get over that hurdle.

Yeah. But if you see open a score and you go, okay, I got to dig deep and I got to do everything, my power to hurt you. At least there's no surprise, like, because now you're standing there at the end, you're getting the total, you have no idea. And then it's just like, at least you would know, like, well, I knew what it was. You know, you're not. If you're looking the scores, and you're still getting your ass kick, you're fighting a better fighter, you're fighting a guy that is super prepared, and it's just not your night. It's simple as that. But if you go like one, one, you're like, no way.

I'm winning this fight. You go in a third round, fighting for your fucking money. You know it's at stake. It will make better fights. Yeah. And how hard is just to do that? one point for each file open scoring

I'm not asking for more money I'm not asking to promote me more I'm not talking share on the company just this will make it better yeah I think so let's not get crazy with more rules that should be like a very standard

beginning that will it will make it so much better yeah no I agree and remember remember the tip I gave you today fake the kick punch see I'm a good listener man Yeah, it's just like, yeah, they're like, oh, he's going to kick me.

It's like, I do. So in the celebrity boxing arena, who would you, like for a big payday, who would you want to fight? That's a good question. Who would be the biggest payday for Marlon and Cheeto? I mean, who's the biggest payday? Who's, I mean, who's a big actor out there? Could be anybody.

I want to have to bring someone. Pick someone I don't like. Yeah. Who don't you like? Let's go with that. I'm trying to think. I don't think I hate any actor. You don't?

I know. I love Adam Sandler. I love Denzel Washington. Yeah. Who else I love? You like the movie Training Day? That's one of my favorite. That's a sick as movie.

That's a sickest movie. I love the movie. Yeah, me too. Every time I saw it, I'll watch it. It's a great movie. I was watching a, Well, John Jones highlights the other night. So here's my toxic trait.

John Jones highlights. Who is the New York badass? Phil Brony highlight or like documentary. And then I watched 300. Three hundred. Yeah. So I mean... I will fight the bad guy on that movie.

The bald dude looks like... Oh, King Leonidas? He's a bad one? He's a guy who, uh, Gerard Butler tried to, he like, threw the spear at and cut it like he's like he said even a god king can bleed yeah by by the time we're done i will prove even a god king complete that's a sick line that's a good line right there's a good man yeah i will kick his ass i don't know him but in the movie he looked big he looked big as shit in the movie yeah yeah but uh anyway i yeah i like the i like the toxic movies what else do you have you can think on

their celebrity fight if you want yeah who i mean or give me options i'm going to think about you, you, what else you got? Are we down through the list? That's it. That's through the list. You don't have a Firmary Kill. Ooh. For Cheeto.

One, man. I mean, yeah, so it's, you know, fighting, hunting. Oh, no. New logo, babe. Oh, fighting, hunting, surfing. Very kill. Do you surf? Yeah.

Oh. See that? Pretty decent. That's a deep cut. I didn't know you surf that much. Yeah, I surf. Really? Yeah, like I can surf.

I mean, I'm not like a pro level, but I can surf. What about, how about fighting, what was the, oh, fighting hunting cars? I love cars, too. I really love cars. You're helping me get the sweet car for the giveaway. I'm going to, I'm going to really help it to get a good one. A good one and a good deal. That would be my job.

How about, before we answer this, what about would you, fight Logan Paul in MMA? The guy's big. He's big. But I mean, if I'm making the money that they make, I know. I fight any man. Like, what would you do? Because he's kind of been doing the fake wrestling, but he's, he's athletic.

I mean, that guy in real life, like real talk, not even talking shit, that would be a hard guy to kill. Like, that guy is big. is probably in a steroid. Yeah. It's athletic. My best bet

would probably the ground. Like if I try punches with him, even if he's not very good and he swings weird, he still went a few rounds,

I mean, what, 10 rounds with Floyd? I know, yeah. He probably weighs like 240. I get it's huge, but Floyd's the best

in the world. Yeah. And I'm sure Floyd try. So the best bed would probably clinch him and just make him trying to throw me on my head and hopefully eventually get tired.

But for that money, I do it like right now. Like outside. With all due respect, right? Yeah. It's all low. Yeah, let's go. There's your call out. So yeah, Fri-Kill, cars, hunting, fighting.

All of the buff. I love cars. Cars are great. So is that Mary? Yeah, you got to Fri-Kill. Okay. So what? Yeah, either Yeah, you're going to marry the rest of your life.

One's just for fun. One, you're never going to do again. So, Fri. Kill. Yeah. Okay, give me the names. No. That was it. You got a Fri.

Kill. Oh. So you got to choose between hunting. Either we're giving humans. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Who is that one? Dakota Johnson. Remember her? Yeah. She's saying, Man on Flip. Flip. is bad. Kill her.

I was looking at Twitter and I saw a post. It could be fake, but that's disrespectful. I was fucking Hawaii. And, come on, man. Okay, so it's cars, hunting? And fighting. I'm fighting. Yeah.

I will marry fighting because that's the love of my life. Okay. Surf and hunting. No. Cars and hunting. Cars and hunting. I switched. Yeah.

Oh, cars and hunting. Okay. You got to give one up and you got a ones for fun. Okay, since I'm a new hunter and I already enjoy cars, I will marry hunting and I get rid of cars. Was it merry or fucking? You're marrying, fighting, hunting, killing cars. Yes. I already have fun with cars.

Yeah. We're done with that. That's a fling. We're done. I mean, that thing really makes you happy. It's just a tool. Yeah.

Which doesn't matter. Right. I agree. Well, I think this. By the hunting, I can hunt the rest of my life. Yeah.

And Dakota Johnson, watch your mouth. Yeah. Don't say nothing about flip flops. Again. Or Gucci flip flops. I mean, maybe those, yeah.

Cheap flipples are the goal. Cheap are the goal? Yeah, the goal. That's what you want. Yeah, I won't pay $600 for a flip-flop. That's crazy. Okay. The cheaper, the better on flip-flops.

Gotcha. Okay. And what about guns? You got a lot of cig, right? I have a lot of sigs. I have a rifle sick. I have a three-nine meal. You got a shotgun because that guy that had to come and steal your car,

you chased him with a shotgun. I do have a great shotgun. Like the cheapest one you see him But Not in fancy Did you ever see boys in the hood? Oh yeah Remember that shotgun?

Yeah That's why I also have a fuck Body if I bring up What car was that? I have the car That's a car No that wasn't in Pala What she was there

Oh okay yeah Because it was a convertible Yeah I have the same one But with a hard top Oh I gotcha All right That car drive heavy Remember

can you drive stick? I can't if you show me. Yeah. Mine's a stick too. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, I think this is a good shit talkers.

A little bonus edition. Well, let's do the last one kill one for our boy here. Okay. So I'm going to give you. I'm going to give you Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and the FBI guy. Dan Bongino or who?

No. The dark guy. Oh, Cash Patel. Yeah, Patel, Patel. Come on. And then we'll finish with that. Okay. Fri-Mill, Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and Cash Patel.

Yeah. I'm curious about if actually been asked this before. This is a classic. Classic topic. All right. Well, in my opinion, which doesn't matter, Fug had a better one for you. Cash Patel has been heavily bought off

by a certain group of people. So I'm gonna kill. Oh, God. Now we're all dead. You're gonna be investigated after this. I didn't say who those people were. You're gonna be full of home, dude. So I'm killing him.

And, uh, Oh, you fucking. Or getting fucking by. Since your preferences can change. I'm gonna, I'm gonna fuck it. Oh, I'm gonna fucking.

Donald. Oh, my God. That white hair he has. It's orange. It's orange and pink. Yeah, his ass also has a toupee. Bro, you're going to be a miserable wife with A-Long. He's never home.

He don't have time for you. He's an alien. So, yeah. Yeah. Oh, bro, that Rectilian dig is going to hurt you. That's a good one. Good one. All right.

I guess that's it. That's it. I'm sad now. Thanks for tuning in to Shit Talkers Weekly Special guest appearance. Cheeto Vera. Thank you. Thank you all. The big buck hunter.

All right guys. A hunter now. Yeah. Someone to blame. They said that hate. It fuels my pace. I am Roy tough. I am the change.

The fuel in dirt.