Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 162 - Whistlin’ Diesel

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

Whistlin’ Diesel (Cody Detwiler) - YouTube content creator and personality best known for publishing a variety of videos about motor vehicles including cars, trucks, bulldozers, farm equipment, and off-roading vehicles. His videos have been viewed more than 1.7 billion times. Cody Detwiler aka Whistlin’ Diesel sits down with Cameron Hanes for an almost 2-hour no-holds-barred conversation. From growing up as a Jehovah's Witness and getting shunned by his friends and some family, to accidentally blowing up on YouTube, burning supercars, why the court is trying to get him for tax evasion, and how he’s still dreaming way bigger. This is the most open he’s ever been! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes  Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/  Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com  Follow WhistlinDiesel: https://www.youtube.com/@whistlindiesel  Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Growing Up as a Jehovah Witness to the Video That Started His Career 00:09:40 – Breaking Away from Jehovah Witnesses, Being Shunned, & Paving Dreams  00:12:35 – YouTubers that Inspired Cody to Start YouTube 00:16:56 – Tax Evasion: What Really Happened 00:25:45 – Gag Order: The Court’s Trying to Get Cody to Shut Up 00:30:41 – Setting a Ferrari on Fire 00:36:18 – Cam’s Car that Started on Fire, Cybertrucks, and Electric Vehicles 00:41:53 – What’s Wrong with America’s Authoritarian System 00:50:48 – Euphoria and Gratitude for the Journey 00:56:34 – Cody’s Faith & Family 01:05:37 – Play Big. Lose Big: Negativity from Followers 01:12:09 – Climbing Mountains as a Kid to Climbing Grand Teton 01:20:57 – Cody’s Russian Girlfriend in Dubai 01:26:12 – Dreaming Bigger to Help Those in Need & Give Back 01:35:16 – Small Town Mindsets, Visual Success, & Focusing on Your Goals 01:41:17 – Engaging Clips & Learning from Mr. Beast 01:45:04 – F**k, Mary, Kill: Monster Truck, Killdozer, Ferrari  01:49:40 – Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% offSig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics

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DeWiler. Debtweiler. I've never, I guess I've never known your last name. That's cool. I usually go by Diesel or something like that. Whistle and Diesel, right? Yeah, sure. Where does that come from?

That was a random Instagram name I picked like seven years ago, just because I made an Instagram page for my truck. And I just kept it from the beginning. Well, for me, that's all I've ever known is Whistle and Diesel. But I did know Cody, because we have corresponded like over the years. A couple times, yeah. Yeah. So tell me about like, tell me about how you grew up. Did you grow up right here?

No, no, I grew up in Indiana, like a small town in Indiana. Oh, okay. It was like maybe 5,000 people. It's called Argus, Indiana, and there's just, like, rolling farmland. A lot of Amish people. Really quiet place to grow up. Not very well off. But people are, like, happy because it's just farm life, you know.

Yeah. So I grew up like that, just like riding four-wheelers, hunting, stuff like that. And went to a really small. There was like 28 people in my class. Okay. So, yeah, really small background. just bored and broke and just enjoying what I had. Yeah.

I did construction with my dad and dropped out of high school at like two years early to do homeschool. And yeah, I just did that for a few years until I started YouTube and my Instagram. And then it's just the last six years has been crazy. Well, you dropped out of school. Dropped out. Like I completed like the last little bit of homeschool. Oh, gotcha. But like I didn't go through.

like the senior year and all that. You didn't get kicked out or anything. No, I didn't get kicked out. You decided you had better things to do. Yeah, I was just like, I'm out of here, you know. Well, so, and then what was the vision to get arrested on, like, by a bunch of people for tax evasion? That was completely, that was never the vision. But it happens when you have a vision, I guess people are after you for stuff.

So, no, my vision was just like, whatever I, like, I, like, I, like, I, I, like, I, I, when I want something I make it happen, like there's no doubt in my mind that I will achieve it. So I didn't have a vision, but I like knew where the direction I wanted to go. And that was like, something more. Yeah, I wanted something more. And I was also raised a Jehovah's Witness. Okay. So that life is really, it's ingrained in you to be like minimalistic and, you know, not really want too much.

And I really respect it, but it's just not something that was for me. the lifestyle, you know, and I value the morals. But, you know, I just, I guess I just want a more simulation, I understand that. Yeah, it's a, I, I get that, you know, when you talk about, not just Jehovah Witness, but just religion in general, I like that, you know, our society is about accumulation, basically, money, property, materialistic things, houses, it's always like, can I get more? Can I get more? And to me, um, I don't, I'm not obsessed with getting more. I'm obsessed with winning.

And usually money and different accumulation of things is a sign that you're winning. Right. Right. So I like winning the game. What is the game? Life. And it sounds like that's what you were obsessed with is like, I want to, I have this vision and I want to, I want to win.

I want it to happen. Yeah. And it wasn't so much about money per se. It was just about, hey, want to make a mark. Yeah, I think it's a byproduct, like you said. Like anytime in my life that I've set like a dollar amount as a goal, it's just so it's like so empty.

It's like number one, you don't achieve it when you're focused on the top end, the dollar amount. Yeah. Because you're so distracted by it that you're not focusing on the journey and the process. And every time that you reach it, you're just like, oh, I don't enjoy this as much I enjoyed accomplishing the thing in the process. Yeah. So yeah, it's definitely been like the journey of doing it all and winning and achieving things

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bending anymore and I thought it was okay or you thought this fucking around Yeah, I did. I was optimistic, but I don't want to complain, but I'm huddling around a salamander heater every five minutes. And I was like, there's got to be something more. And so I put together in my mind, I was like, I just heard from a friend that you can make money on YouTube. I didn't know how much. I just heard that it was like a decent amount of money. And I was like, I want to make a YouTube video because I filmed as a kid.

I had a little camcorder and I just enjoyed making videos. So I film a video. It's called like five types of truck guys because I have my pickup truck and I'm just joking around about like the loud exhaust guy or the rolling coal guy or the redneck or whatever. And I wrote down step by step everything I wanted to film in that video. And I didn't know that's like the best way to plan for a video. It's just I did it right the first time somehow. I wrote down every step. I film it with my other construction buddy who did not want to be there at all because it was still cold when I was filming my video.

He's probably thinking, what am I doing here? Yeah. And I post the video. It gets zero views, like a thousand views maybe in six months, or in a month. I close out of my YouTube and I never opened my channel again for like six months. And one day I get an email six months later that says, your video hit a million views and you have 10,000 subscribers and you hit all the minimums required to monetize your channel. Whoa. And I somehow, the day I get that email is the 21st, which is the same day you get paid from YouTube.

So I went from zero to $81. Okay. That day. There you go. I made $81 off of half a million views or whatever. Yeah. And like bananas fell across the screen. I was like, oh my God, this is the most money I've ever made without like doing work.

Right. It's something I enjoyed. Right. And it was very miserable. I put a lot of work into the video, but I loved it. And on that same day, this all happens within the course of an hour. And I could not afford heat for my house, food for my table. I had not eaten out, like at a restaurant in like a year.

And I immediately pull the Ui and I go to Applebee's and I order a steak. It's cold. They forget my silverware. I'm like, I just, I literally picked it up and ate it in my hands and I was like, screw this. I'm enjoying. Like I hadn't had good food like in a long time. and I hadn't made a dollar that was off of something I enjoyed.

So that just snowballed into like, okay, we're doing this. So that day, so the money you made on your construction job just pay all your bills and basically had no extra. And maybe it might have been enough. I didn't have big dreams, but like I had a big truck payment. I spent a lot of my on diesel. It got horrible fuel mileage and stuff like that. How much was that truck?

Do you remember? 16,000. And that's the monster truck out here. Oh, gotcha. Okay. That was bone stock. That was a normal. And you were making, how much were you making an hour?

$15 an hour. Okay, yeah. So. You thought that, you didn't like the math on that? My, my budget didn't like the math. So that video, basically, I don't know if that's viral, but it took off. Yeah, like, I think it ended up hitting a million views down the road. But it was half a million is when I got that first notification.

Yeah. It was lucky, for sure. But I also had put in the effort to write out a, plan for the video. Because I was like, if I'm going to try it, I'm going to do it right the first time. So I did my best and it ended up starting my whole journey with it. And then, so after that steak at Applebee's, then what did you do? You're like, okay. It took like four more tries of videos that did not do as well and made $10 or $12 that did not do very good. And then I slowly realized like, okay, if I'm going to do another video that succeeded,

I really need to take it seriously. And I just progressively did that. until one month I made like, I was holding as long as I could trying to help my dad out. One month I remember it was like four or five months in. I made seven grand. And I remember I was almost to work. And I pulled a Ui and went back home. And I told my dad I can't do this anymore. I'm sorry.

Were you working for your dad? Yeah. It's his construction company. Yeah. And I ended up going back a few times to help him because I felt terrible because we're a small team and work as a family. So I just, I was mentally, I think. I think he was like wishing the best for me but we just had to find new help for the company but right it was definitely a weird because I was Jehovah's Witness

nothing against them I'm thankful for the background I had but because they want like a smaller life smaller goals and dreams perhaps you know it's more God-oriented of course you're not supposed to talk to anyone who's not a Jehovah's Witness And so as my goals and dreams as an adult kind of accumulated, I stepped away from it a little bit. And so I didn't have any friends because they weren't Joe's Witnesses and the Jones Witness people that I knew wouldn't talk to me. And it was kind of like just me on my own, just paving my way. So it was really hard because even your family isn't supposed to talk to you. At what age was this now?

I would have been 1920. So that was hard. 21, maybe I way. Yeah. I like knew it would happen because like you're supposed to weekly go to the meetings or like preach to people at their door. Yeah. And you're you are they it's a form of shunning you to make you realize like, oh maybe I should come back. But I don't know.

I just ended up paving my own way, kind of alone and just going after my dream. Was that that probably was hard. I mean as a young man. Yeah, like it was hard, but also because I was only raised that way and that was all I knew. My dad was very loving. He's an amazing person. But I was also, I just wanted my dreams so bad that it was all noise to me. Like I was just locked in.

I was like, I'm happy accomplishing what I want to accomplish because I felt like in 20 years of life, I genuinely felt like I was sitting still. It's like sitting in a race watching everyone run past you. And that's what I felt like. So I was like, I got 20 years to catch up on. So that the thought of like you might have regret outweighed anything in the other decision. The regret all hit me at that same year when I realized like I have been doing nothing that I want to do. Right. You know.

Right. And I think that's genuinely that like that snap into reality is what I feel like most people never get. And they're just they go through life daily and complacency not having that shock to reality of like. like, hey, if I don't do this now, what I want to do, I'm just wasting my time, or I'm sitting here while my dream is passing by. Right. And so I'm so thankful I got that reality check. After 20 years, I realized, and now I have a, like, a really good mentality of, like,

if I'm going to do something, I need to do it, you know. Was there, were you watching anybody that inspired you, like, for videos? That was Jehovah's Witness, or just? No, no. that, like, you had this vision of making videos and doing something you loved. Was anybody doing what you had in mind? So, not like, and I watched a couple of people, not really like in the automotive space, but this is so funny.

This is my first podcast that is on the internet, right? I did one other, a long time ago, but it's not on the internet. Yeah. This is my first, like, podcast that will probably stay up on the internet. I hope so. And it's with you, who are one of the, very few people that I watched. Yeah.

All of the time. Okay. Like all the time. That's why I want to save this for the podcast. Oh, nice. It's like my first podcast. And literally in the years before I did YouTube, you were one of like the three people that I watched like every day.

Oh, man. And so, yeah, I want to save that for this because I like religiously followed everything that you did. Really? And it was a little different, you know, it was hunting and stuff. Yeah. But it's something I was into. but literally your whole slogan of like keep hammering I actually like took that to heart and just

went with it man like you are one of the the people that I watch there's a few others I think but um like that bow on the wall and stuff I I won that from Hoyt because I was following your like long range shooting stuff yeah yeah yeah shooting at like 90 or 100 yards yeah yeah another hammered in or whatever and I uh it was like 10 years ago right and I um I did exactly what you would do I go out shoot I was nowhere near as accurate. I sucked. I didn't have a good bow. Um, it'd be like super cold and I'm just lobbing arrows into the air because I have it 60 pound. It would just like, you know, um, and so I just got super obsessed over hunting and just like being super accurate with my bow and training for it. And, uh, yeah, you were one of the people, the people that I followed

for that. That is, yeah, I didn't know that. What's, uh, do you remember, was there a video that you remember? I remember just like in your backyard having the, the, the, the target. And you're like at 90 or 100 or 110, that bow has, you inspired me to get, I have a Hogfather site that I can tune all the way down. Yeah. And I saw how far you were shooting and that was like unheard of me because I was like 16 and I didn't know that people could shoot that far of the bow. And, because that's how far I shoot the gun. Right. And I, uh, I ended up winning that bow from Hoyt, their test drive competition for their defiant bow. Yeah. I won it. And I finally had a bow that shoot far enough now and I put a higher peep site so that I could arch the bow back.

Yeah. And I was shooting at like 200 yards. Whoa. Whoa. I'm sure I'd probably message you at some point being like, bro, I'm shooting at 200 yards. Yeah. But that was 10 years ago. Oh man.

Yeah. So like you kind of like, I had a whole previous era in a bow hunting page and everything that just never took off. Oh really? That was like that whole story there for that. Okay. I didn't realize that. That's amazing.

But well, and now. Now, basically everybody knows who you are. How crazy is that? I mean, yeah, I don't want to sound conceited, but I appreciate the people that follow me and support me for what I have, like, the videos that I've made. I just want to, like, I just want people to, like, not regret spending time watching a video.

Yeah. Because that happens so often on YouTube, you know. Just unfulfilled promise at the beginning of the video and you feel like you're wasted your day watching. Yeah. Like, I want to make something entertaining, so that was my mission through YouTube. So, yeah, I'm always amazed when, even when you reach out to me, oh, it's Cameron Haynes. I don't think of it as like, oh, it's just Cameron Haynes reaching out.

Like, that was a big deal. Oh. So I'm just super thankful for the whole journey that I've had with this. I'm so impressed with what you built. And being such a, you know, a young man, you're 27. Yeah. And just so, like, so focused and driven. and well-spoken and respectful.

It's like, yeah, I mean, you're such... I appreciate that, thank you. Just a high-quality young man. It's just, I've never met you until today, but obviously we've known each other. Yeah, yeah, for a little bit. And it's what caught my attention, as you know, is what caught a lot of people's attention was you had,

was it here they showed up? Yeah, right up front, yeah. Yeah, so you got arrested. What is that about? So I have a clean criminal record. I have one speeding ticket when I was 16 when I first got my permit. That's it. I've never like...

How fast are you going? 75 and a 55 or so. Oh, not even crazy then. It was the worst cop ever. Worst cop I've ever met was the day I got my permit. And he loved doing that. That was the day? You got your permit?

The week. Probably the week. Oh, the week. Okay, yeah. And that's all I ever had. And I was like, I go by the book. I pay my taxes. I pay a lot of money to the government.

I follow the book. We are very careful to do everything the right way. And, yeah, five cops came to my door up here. Did you know they were coming? Zero clue, zero notice. Okay. Zero nothing. I had no clue.

So you didn't get a letter saying, hey, did you buy a vehicle? No, no, no, no. Hmm. That's weird, isn't it? So, yeah, for the people watching this, this is a very interesting case overall because it does not abide by the typical, like, it's not an obvious, like, oh, this person broke a law, they're in trouble for it. There's a lot of nuances. It's really weird. There's a lot of strange things about it, and especially the dynamic with me being the person at the end of it. And I don't want to sound conceited for talking about it, because obviously, like, oh, who wouldn't defend themselves?

Well, what's interesting is I think that everything about this case is a slight concern to, anyone else in Tennessee or in the American public. It's not the federal government, it's a state government at this point. But what happened is five cops showed up at my door, arrested me. I thought it was a prank. They arrested me. And I'm like, what is this for?

And they're like tax evasion. I'm like, I've paid all my taxes. I have no clue what this is about. We regularly pay taxes. Most of my money goes to taxes. Was it the sheriff? Who was it? So it was four sheriffs and a special agent.

And I guess the sheriff must have been called for. backup or something. They arrest me. They take me to jail. I walk a mile at my driveway because I offered them to gate code. They wouldn't drive down and pick me up. So we walk a mile. It's like, all right, we'll film it. And they take me to the jail. I'm like, he tight in the handcuffs super tight. And respect to cops, I don't disrespect them, but maybe he didn't know what he's doing. I don't know. But on the camera, I'm like, the cops are tight enough. He's like, oh, I'm just going until they won't go anymore. I was like, okay. And we go to jail. I get booked in for a $20,000 bond.

I'm like handcuffed to the wall. I don't remember anyone's phone numbers. I'm just, super cold in there. I was just, I was doing squats in myself. Like, I got a good workout in. That's the one thing. If I go to jail, I'll be ripped when I come out. And, and, and, uh, I need more time to work out.

Yeah. And I was in there for two or three hours. My amazing team, like, got me out right away. And then that was it. And I had, when did you know it wasn't a joke? I had no clue why. when they showed the warrant. Oh.

Fairly soon. But they didn't show the warrant first. They were just like you're on arrest. Because I would have thought, oh, okay, this is a... Yeah, right, right. And people have wanted to do that before. But, yeah, so it's real. That's one thing.

I would never, like, fake something like this. I faked a photo one time, but this is all 100% real. Like, this actually happened. So I, let's see, I get out and I, I, had no details or why. I had to wonder why for like several days. And people started speculating and the public got it right first. It was for like my Ferrari that burned down completely in Texas. I had purchased it in Tennessee and registered in Montana, which is commonly many people do this and one advantage of Montana, not saying this is why I did it, but it saves you don't pay state

sales sacks in Montana. Millions of people do this. And so, I found that out many days later and I'm just like so confused because I'm like why would they not send me a letter saying I owe the sales tax like I this is something I said in my last video that may go live by the time this is live I don't know code 62c dash 879 of the tax code 3 486 or whatever that says whatever they're they're trying to pin on me you know like I'm just trying my best to run a good business and doing like what I've been advised to do. Yeah. And that's smart business.

Yeah. And so like like, like trying to limit our tax. Yeah. No one wants to pay extra tax. That's a fact of life. Not saying that's why I did in Montana. But so I had my Ferrari that I purchased in Tennessee. It was registered in Montana.

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The cops came here. They know every step of the way that a letter could have been sent that says you owe $27,000. They didn't do that. why would you not why why yeah it's very interesting to me you know because if it's about the money yeah send a letter right the only other way you would have like i know what i pay in taxes i think in january i have to pay 400 000 if somebody said hey you owe 27 000 more i'd probably yeah or you're going to go to jail right yeah of course got it got it right so like

no one's trying to go to jail or break the law no we're trying to do what we know it's right You don't know code 6-2Ca-9, 6-4-3. No, it's got me thinking like, because I bought a truck in Georgia gave it away. Yeah. I'm like, are they going to try to turn this into? Is it like they turn to people who are winning, as we said, or successful, they turn to send a message?

I really think it's some sort of publicity thing to get everybody to panic and worry that they're going to get arrested to and that they should pay their sales tax. Yeah. Or worry or something. I don't know. Right. I don't think it's about the money.

it doesn't seem my name. Yeah, so most IRS, you know, they'd send you a letter. Yeah, you owe this. Otherwise, everybody would be in jail. I thought that that's how it... That's what I thought, too.

It was supposed to work. That's what I thought too. I mean, are we trying? I don't know. It just doesn't make sense. What makes sense to me is I love our country,

but I don't like going after when it feels like the country, I don't know who, that would be, but is going after successful people who are kicking ass to try to get, because what they want, they want, in my head, they want consumers, they want people to do what they're told. They're like, oh, you get this shot when you're told, you wear this mask when you're told.

They want people who don't push back on anything who aren't like kicking ass in life, basically. People who aren't like, you believe in yourself, you got this vision. Those are the type of people who don't conform. Right. So is that what they're trying to correct out there? It's just like, hey, before you get a little too big for your britches like this guy did, maybe just tone it back a little bit. Yeah, maybe.

I don't know. Or, you know, like, obviously I think the goal of whoever did this, I think their goal is to capture tax money. And I think they're trying to, this is a good way to describe it. I think they're trying to aggressively educate people. Yeah. Not lovingly educate people. And that's the problem.

This isn't federal, this is state. I think, I think, you know what surprised me the most is that this is Tennessee. This is like the far right south, you know, and this is like a dumb little tax case, you know. Like, like I'm sure there's tax money that they are missing out that they want to capitalize on. You know, but there's a way to educate and show people. Yeah. Like, like, I don't know. I think it's similar to the whole ATF thing like, oh, there's something wrong with this one little gun modification.

We're going to arrest millions of people. Right. Or we can arrest one guy and prove this point. Or you can just make an announcement that says this is illegal, don't do it. Yeah. So, yeah, there's another really interesting thing. When I talk a lot, I get super thirsty. There's another really interesting thing.

So people love this stuff that eat it up. Like, I don't want to do it for attention. I don't want to do it because people love it. I want to do it because I think people should know about it, just because the absurdity of it. But I made that video, that YouTube video, and it got six million, used now six and a half. And a lot of people asking, you know, what the hell is going on, saying it's crazy. And obviously word reached the people really quick that are doing this.

And they tried pushing through. I have court for something else on Monday. This Monday, the 8th. They tried pushing through, and I didn't even know this existed. a gag order to shut me up. Motion to impose gag order on defendant. And this is me versus the state again.

They say they list all the followers I have, 20 million plus followers. This moves the court to impose a gag order on the defendant, Cody, Detweiler, and Whistland Diesel, prohibiting him from making any extrajudicial statement via any form of social media platform. They list what I do with vehicles.

They show all of my, they have pictures of all my social media posts. I said I was going to take my bulldozer to court. I saw that. And, you know, I, most of, like, I feel like all this was just factual, showing my story. You know, I don't want to, like, rile people up.

The Kill Dozer stuff, they said they were concerned about, I didn't actually bring it to court because I didn't have to go that day. But, so, like, I'm a respectful individual. I think they know I'm not like a, you can believe this out if you need, they know I'm not like going to cause harm to anyone. Right.

But they list everything I did and they show the merch that I'm selling with my mugshot on T-shirts. And the, the, the, the, the, the, the shirts have the indictment on them. And they list this being like a problem that their names are on the indictment. They publish the indictment publicly. Yeah. They have it public. It's defamatory in that way as well from them. They can't pick and choose just because... So the freedom of speech goes both ways.

Right. The Florida cops are allowed to make a press release saying how, you know, some murderer is a douchbag, right? Like this piece of shit, get him off the street. Yeah. Just the same way that works is the same reason I'm allowed to talk about my case. Yeah. Freedom of Speech First Amendment. So I, this was all spawned off of some people contact.

the people of the state and not being 100% respectful. There's no threats. Yeah. And what they say here, so in this gag order, they said what they want to happen. Let me see it here. It is, that's on one of the, there's so many. Okay. Based on the foregoing, after all that, my screenshots on my social media, the state moves

this court to enter a gag order against a defendant applicable to all of his social media platforms prohibiting him from commenting on the case or its fact pattern in any fashion and from attempting to monetize this prosecution in any form. So not only they not want me to talk about it, they don't want me to make any money on it. Right. Yeah. The attempt to monetize it. That is nuts. In a way, I like to understand everyone's motive or something.

In a way, I understand that, like, you know, they didn't expect that to happen. It's, you know, it's obviously, it's a high profile case. Yeah. But I would assume that the people who did all that research would also know. who they were doing that too. They obviously knew. Yeah. So I don't feel sorry.

I'm not trying to stir people up. I think they're getting stirred up over the nature of it. Right. I haven't killed anyone. Yeah. Yeah. No. And that's kind of like in my message to you, I said, when we were talking about doing

this podcast, I said, it seems crazy that they would go after you for this while we got pedophiles running our country. Yeah. It's just like, what are we focused on? Right. Like, yeah, I mean, I get their job is probably to just capture tax money, but, you know, the amount of resources being used. Yeah, it's just like, big picture, you know, I know it's different departments and like, whatever. I might say something crazy about pedos or whatever, but, and I understand they're not any way related, but it just seems weird, right? It just seems weird that they make this big pump and circumstance for you to put on this dog and pony show.

Then, you know, don't want you to talk about it. So it's like, well, then why did you do it? You know, it's just doesn't even make any sense. Yeah, I don't know. I think there was a big hornet's nest that was just poked and it's just going to be a big shit show. Because, you know, life's competitive. Yeah. When you're winning, it makes people who aren't winning feel bad about themselves.

Yeah, I've definitely, like, had my share of that to an extent. My persona and channel as Whistle Diesel is very abrasive and I don't blame anyone. for not liking it if they don't, because I understand, because I used to be the same. I would watch someone with a nice car. This actually almost spawned my channel. I'd watch someone with a nice car. Yeah.

And I would just, like, I'd hear them talk about it, and I'd be like, oh, you think you're all that. You got this nice car. Wow, I don't. Okay, well, I just hated it. I hated that I didn't have a nice car because it made me feel bad. It feels like an insult.

The success is so much, it feels like an insult. Yeah. And my channel turned into destroying nice cars in a way. And that brought me the success itself. Yeah. You gotta be polarizing. Alter ego.

You gotta be polarizing to get attention, basically. Yeah, and that's not really my goal. I just do it because I enjoy it, you know, and it works. Yeah.

Well, you know what works. Yeah. You know, you know what makes people care. Yeah, like, and I'm trying to tweak things in a way that's not just wasteful. I never want to,

I know people think I set my Ferrari on fire on purpose. And I was just trying to have fun in the cornfield and it's super hot that day in Texas. And my buddy's like, oh, I got a cornfield behind my place. You should drive around in it.

And I, 10 seconds later, we, I was like, we got to get an epic shot of us bailing off the road into the cornfield, cornhouse flying everywhere to 110 degrees out in southern Texas in the summer. And this Ferrari is brand new. It has like 6,000 miles on it. And we have a brand new rental car too. And have you seen the video? No.

And we have all of our stuff in the rental car and everything. and the rental car is a minivan and it's our chase car and this is the same car that they're saying no attacks on we bail off into the field we're hauling through the cornfield and I'm just doing this left and right

flying everywhere flying everywhere we're getting a really good shot and all of a sudden I see them they're stopping pointing I'm like faster faster faster the minivan wouldn't go any faster it was like overheating and everything

and I'm like get the shot and they start pointing at the car and I'm like what what what why are you stopping he's like fire fire and I'm like oh no No, this is bad. Yeah. And I've never had a car like burned down before.

I get out and I'm like, we have bottles of water. Everybody's like, throw water on it. We're dumping water. There's a car on fire? The car exhaust got all the corn husks. Oh. And it was like setting everything on fire. This is a tinderbox, a whole field.

The car catch is on fire. We're trying to dump water on it. We're panicking. We're all focused on the Ferrari. I look over in the minivan is on fire. The whole Ferrari and minivan is on fire. burned up. We lost all of our stuff. We're throwing things out of the minivan. Like camera stuff? Oh man, we lost like Louis Vuitton bags, everything. But it's the nature of the

game. I didn't complain. I made the best of it. I like shredded the car and sold it in cubes. I, yeah, it was definitely a wild day. And we all rode home in a minivan or in a Jeep and the cold scrunched up at night. And yeah, it was just a really wild day. Sorry, I forget what we were talking about. It's a crazy story. So that's turned it. Now it's the van and the car. The Ferrari is the gift that never stopped giving.

Yeah. That is nuts. No, the tax is not over the van. That was a rental. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. Side story. One time my dad had this big station wagon.

It wasn't a Ferrari. But I went to see this girl and I parked up on the side of the road, like out in the country. But her house was down where her parents was down below. So we're down there. And then we look out, there's like black smoke billowing up. Anyway, this station wagon caught on fire and burnt the whole thing, burnt this whole big tree by the road, whole station wagon just charged. So I called my dad.

And I'm like, I'm like, hey, dad, your car caught on fire. It's burnt. It's gone. And he's just like, I just remember there's like this pause. And he's just like, wow. Like, boom! And then hangs up. And I'm like, okay.

So similar to that, not a Ferrari. I might get arrested for it. Who knows? But yeah, anyway. Yeah, they're been a tax case against you for it. I've seen a car burn up like that. So it could have been just electrical problem like that one. But, yeah, that's nuts.

Yeah, I learned my lesson multiple times with different things, how to behave or on different dynamics. Now we've learned a lot of interesting ways things can fall apart and break. and disasters can happen. I did see the one where I think you were pulling, was it the Tesla, or what was that? That was the, where the bumper came off? Yeah, yeah, we were doing a cyber truck durability test.

Right, that's how, I saw that one. It, like, hit a piece of concrete, and then we were doing a tug of war, pulling it out. Yeah. And the whole bumper just in the frame, snapping came off. Did Elon ever comment on that? No, but I understand why, and I love Elon very much.

I'm a super fan. And I was just doing my thing of testing the cyber truck. But yeah, like I wish I would bring on some people who like really know pickup trucks to like build some really strong stuff. But it was just the aluminum frame broke there. Oh, I see. But I knew it would be a really big video. I tried getting a whole to Tesla beforehand because I wanted to work together. And like if I had a problem like that, I could communicate with them.

And it could be really seamless. But it didn't work out. They thought I was just going to slander it the whole time. Right. I actually love the separate truck. It's one of my favorite trucks. It's more of an SUV. It's more of a car.

Gotcha, yeah. Like, I wouldn't tow a goose neck with it. But we are. We put a geysnick, and it works. It's a great truck. Yeah. I understand the hate to an extent, but it's an amazing. It's the future for sure.

Yeah. It just needs to be worked on a little. Well, Joe, was Elon there when he shot the arrow? Yeah. Oh, yeah. They did that together. So, yeah, they did that together. So.

Yeah, and like the steel body panels are amazing. They're really good. Everybody's complaining like, oh, they, it's horrible in an accident because it hurts other people or whatever. Like, the vehicle's very durable. You're not going to dent it. Like, you can shoot. Bulletproof. Like, it's great. Yeah.

I was... Everything has its flaws. Yeah, for sure. I was... Here's another flaw. I was going to buy a... I think it's a Hummer 3, the pickup, right? Is that the new...

Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's a Hummer, right? Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, because I give away the trucks, kind of, you know, do the giveaway things. You buy merch and do it, you can win the truck.

So I was going to be like, oh, this Hummer 3 pickup. That's what... That's something different. I've had all these other trucks. The people don't like it, do they? No. No, no, I didn't like it because I got there, they're only electric. Yeah.

I'm like, wait, could I get, no, I need, I said, you got a hybrid or something or a diesel. No, all electric. I'm like, why the fuck would I want an electric pickup? Yeah, you know what's crazy is the Ferrari out here, the black Ferrari. It's, uh, automakers are doing a much more proper approach to the hybrid than pickup truck makers are, or car makers than pickup truck makers. So in that Ferrari, there's a twin turbo V8 and four electric motors. See?

That's how you do it. So I can turn off the V8 going 80 miles an hour and I can roll in silence full electric for 20 miles. That is sick. If I'm out of fuel, I can roll full electric up to the gas station. That's how it's supposed to work. I have immediate torque. It pushes the engine when it takes off. If I don't want to cold start it when I'm pulling out, I can be silent.

I can just move. That's pretty sick. We'll have to go on a ride later. Yeah. And the pickup trucks just went full electric. They're like, remove the engine. Let's go full electric. It's horrible for mileage.

Yeah. No one wants to worry about charging it. Edison Motors is doing the semi. They put a diesel generator with the electric that charges it so you don't have to worry about the range. So that's how trains work. Yeah. So it's an amazing, proved concept. These manufacturers just went full electric.

Like it's going to, these people can't do that. It doesn't work like that. No. The economy isn't there. The fuel economy. the mileage, you know. Especially like if you're trying to sell trucks to guys who want trucks, they might be in the woods, they might be what, you know,

we're going to charge this, fucker. You cannot. It's just funny, like the practicality of this Ferrari out here, the hybrid with a V8, they've held to their roots more than like a diesel engine, you know, like Dodge Ram or something. Yeah, that is. Dodge has done a good job of it, but, you know, like a lot of these companies.

I ended up getting a GMC, and it's really nice. Yeah. I've never had one of those, but. hybrid or no it's a yeah 2,500 yeah i've stayed away from um it's funny we're whistling diesel is our brand mm-hmm i have one truck and it's the giant monster truck i haven't had a normal pickup truck in 10 years well that's all right we'll go with the name still it's a good yeah well i mean we have the jet engines and those are diesel and they whistle up until you go to prison yeah yeah yeah so what's going to happen with your case hoy began with a dream and a simple desire create the best bow

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Well, just last night, I looked up like what the assumed punishment could be. It's like one to six years in prison. Yeah. We'll see how that works. I don't think it's going to lead to that. And if it does, I mean, I'm a very resilient person, but, um,

my brand and lifestyle allows me to endorse some crazy things that would usually not be good for people. But I'm optimistic regardless, but it's crazy. It's really crazy. A year in prison. Yeah, I would hope it. Oh, it's so funny. I ran with this guy who did, like not hung out, but we went on a run. But he went to prison for like a white collar tack stuff before. and it didn't seem terrible. I mean, obviously, nobody wants to get to prison,

but I would hope you wouldn't be in with murders. Yeah, well, I think I would be. Really? So I was talking to a friend, a guy, his name is Mikey, who cuts my hair, and his son was actually killed in his front lawn in Nashville by another kid who was over 18, I think. And this happened in the same state. that this is, and it's been over a year.

This kid was led out with an ankle monitor for months. It only monitors his whereabouts to his specific times. Yes. It only must prove it on ring camera. Only monitors his whereabouts for specific times. He's not in jail yet. Obviously, I mean, they have to go through the system. But they're talking, he was talking to me.

This morning I was talking about it. Maybe 10 years in prison. And I'm far-end. looking at maybe six for not knowing code 62-82763 C of the tax code just put everybody in prison.

Put everybody in prison. I don't know what's more upsetting that that kid that, you know, guy's son got murdered and the murder's out. That's upsetting or that they're going to go crazy overboard on you. Neither one of them is right, but what a tragedy.

I mean, a young man got killed. No, I mean, like, and this guy is a repeat offender. And guess what? Guess what? I need to draw more attention to this. He's done it before. It's not the first, yeah. He's killed people.

Yeah, it's not the first time. In Nashville. Oh. And he showed me a picture of the judge who let him out. Because maybe they couldn't fully, maybe couldn't fully prove it or whatever. They have ring camera footage now. But yeah, this is happening everywhere. You see in the news.

And somehow, the tax man. is so focused on that. That is nuts. It's his job. I get it, but... Yeah, that... It's just crazy. That seems...

I mean, I don't know what word, but wrong. Obviously, it seems so wrong that that's how the system works. Or that it could... It's not right. It's, uh... Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Um...

Yeah, America is... We love America. But there's also the same... fundamentals that build the country are inherently at the top end towards the authority of it all, it's flawed. Because you have, everyone's arguing with it. The freedom allows everybody to argue with each other. There's a lot of like this organization.

You know, they think, oh, you know, we have to cover every aspect. If a paper allows something to happen, it can and will happen. If the paper allows it to. Um, you know, there is, there is so many, there are other countries where maybe it's, it's a, a ruling family or something, and they make the decision based on a human, you know. What do you mean the paper? Um, if the paper, the way the laws rate might allow them to go after this. So why are they? Oh, I'm allowed to. Yeah. This guy may not know me from anyone else.

And he's like, oh, I'm going to pursue this. The only way is to arrest him and take him to prison. Um, yeah, it's just, it's interesting. I don't know much about law. I can't speak on it. I just, I know how humans work. And I know that, you know, a country built on punishing people is communist. I mean, if, when you look at, this is where I heard this from the guy who I ran with, Jake Kilgore, who went to prison. And he was saying something like some of the stats he had was two million people incarcerated. I can't remember if that's federal or state. But, you know, putting people in jail is a great business for our country.

Really? I mean, yeah, food, you know, we got the corrections officers, you got the lawyers, you got the attorneys, you got everybody working. Like, it's an industry. So when somebody is indicted by the federal government, there's like a 99 or something percent conviction rate because they make it so overwhelming. you have to accept something, a plea deal, right? Either you say you're guilty or you accept some other, but they always win, right?

Because they- I wouldn't know about always, but they stack the deck to where people, the regular guy, like, you can push back, but the regular guy can't. Right. How can he survive that much, the legal debt, the, you know, getting attorney fees? He's just like, okay, I can't. I guess I got to say I'm guilty. Yeah, that's why, like, in this case,

they, it's so good and so bad that they went after me. Because, like, obviously, they might feel like I'm the best guy to send a message, but at the same time, I am the best guy that this could have happened to. Yeah. To push back. There's so many other people. And I'm sure most of the people with Montana LLCs probably have a little bit of money. Yeah.

But there's no reason to think they wouldn't pay the tax either if they got a letter. Right. But, you know, this is something anybody could do. Someone who buys a $3,000 HANA Civic could also take. titled their car in Montana. They could register in Montana. I just like to think that it's, I might be the best person to draw attention to it. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I hope so. I mean, I don't want you to go to prison, but I also want, when something's wrong, I want it addressed and corrected. You know, I mean, if this, this doesn't seem, feel right. Yeah, you know,

it's interesting. We're talking about the guy in Teton that cut the switch back. Right, yeah. Now, I don't know the dynamics. I don't know if he was told not to or if he knew. I don't know the facts. But I also think it's insane. I saw the news and I was like, that's insane that you're talking about prison time for cutting a trail. Come on. Okay. Was he supposed to cut it? I don't know. The law probably says no. Maybe. I don't, I didn't know. I went hiking in Teton. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. Okay, if I cut that, I'm going to prison. If I hike in the grass, if I walk in the grass, I could go to prison. Right. Yeah. That seems crazy. Like, yeah, that seems great.

And then the president had to pardon them. That's insane. That's insane. A trail runner. Insane. A guy enjoying nature. More likely to go to prison than someone sitting on their couch gaming on a Sunday. Or somebody who murdered somebody in their front yard.

A thousand percent. And is out free. Yeah. And then this guy's dealing with this. Like, I wish I had a potential present time. Yeah. Yeah, I wish I had a list of cases that are similar because it, like, I've actually promoted on my Instagram.

I want to use my social media for what's right. And I, every time I see a case that's like, oh, so this happened to this person, their family was killed or something, and the person was let out 86 times or whatever. I'm just like in disbelief that the system is set up in such a way that that could even happen at all. Everybody is, but it's like, who's going to change it? Who's going to do anything to change that? Right. It's like everybody's saying like, oh, punish the judges or whatever.

I don't know. not in legal system. I don't know how it gets there. But they take advantage. If they can take advantage of it, they will. I mean, that's people with money. They pay people to figure out how to, if there's a loophole or whatever. That's how it works. But as I said, the regular American doesn't, can't do that. And so to me, like, you fighting this and trying to get, you know, the right precedent set is a fight for the people who can't afford to fight. You know what I mean? who don't have these options like what you have to push back to have the social media to draw attention to it because some people just have to deal with it and then and their whole life

has changed forever but uh yeah it's a pretty nuts case i mean what where do you uh what's a i mean where you at next you said you have a court date on monday for the gag order for the gag order that'll determine if i'm allowed to talk here's what's interesting is like just hearing your story about, you know, work in construction and in, uh, just how you grew up. How did, did you ever expect? I mean, I already know the answer to this, but you're going to a Christmas party tonight with like celebrities. How does that, is that nuts? Yeah. Um, there's been points in my career, I guess, where like I, I would be like, like, chill day, nothing going on.

I'm like, maybe I'm like in the shower. And I'm just like, I literally have like tears in my eyes. Just like nothing happening at the moment. But I know what I've experienced and what I'm going to experience and where I'm at now in life. And I just feel like overwhelmingly just like thankful and grateful and proud of myself in a non-conceded way. Like I just have like sometimes overwhelming like euphoria of like where the position I felt like I was in at one point. And what I've been able to do for myself. to get where I am.

I just make funny videos. Like, I don't think I'm all that. But, yeah, like, this is, like, Tucker Carlson's Christmas party for his new out brand. And there's a lot of people there that I've always watched and respected. And, you know, I know it all about him. And it's definitely a euphoric thing. You know, like, I wish I could show more visible emotion for it. I like to be, like, look all big and bad.

But, like, I'm just some nerdy YouTuber that was invited here. here, you know. I'm just, I'm very, very thankful for it. Yeah. And Tucker, last time, actually, I was, uh, he was super busy. Everyone's next to him. I walk up. I was like, I just wanted to say hi before I go. Thank you. He was like, you made the cyber truck video, 35 million views. He's like, everyone was talking to me about that because his came out the same day as mine, the day before. And, and, uh, mine just both of them did really well. But I got like 35 million views and he knew about it. And I was like, that's so cool. I, I was like, that's so cool. I'm, I'm, he's on news. I'm, my dad's watching news and I'm a kid. You know, it's so cool. I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

I just love, it's such a great group of people tonight. The fact that, like, you're in town and all my friends are coming that are also, like, going to be there. It's, he's not a really good group of people that are there. And I think everybody really has a very vindictive and, like, mature adult mindset, like, really, really good people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Sorry, vindictive. That means, like, you stand up for what's right, right?

Oh, yeah. Or not. Is that the wrong word? Vindictive could be getting back at somebody. Yeah. I should work on my vocabulary. I'm a little stupid. It's all good.

I'm just a YouTuber, bro. No, but when you say that, it reminds me because, you know, my son makes videos too, Truitt, and he's not as popular as you, but he does pull-ups, running, different things like that. And he'll say that, you know, people criticize him for, like, hey, you just do pull-ups. You know, I mean, he set the world record. So it's just like... Is the world record pull-ups? He did, yeah, yeah.

He did 10,000 and one. 10,000? In a day, yeah. Oh, in a day, okay. 24 hours. Breaks in between? Yeah, he's doing like six every 30 seconds till... I see.

But, yeah, so anyway, he got 10,000 and one. But people are saying, hey, it's not like you're changing the world. You do pull-ups or you run or whatever. And it's just to what I see young men, I think he's 28, you're 27, is they're showing what's, possible. Like you guys are showing like you have a dream. You can make it a reality. He doesn't have a regular job either. He quit. All he does, he has sponsors and he trains and he does this. So it's like and making more money than working for somebody. So you guys are showing what's possible when you're

hungry, when you have a vision, when you, you know, aren't afraid to dream and go after it. That's what it shows. It's just like, yeah, you're making funny videos. You're, you know, doing stuff with, with rigs, but you're also showing something bigger than yourself. You're like showing, hey, this is, guys, you can do this too. Look, I did it. I'm from small town, Indiana. I had, you know, no advantage growing up, had to work, earn my way. And now look at you, going to Tucker Carlson's Christmas party. So to me, that's what it shows. It's, to me, that's the American dream, which kind of makes this so frustrating, which, you know, you're living the American dream. And people that run America are,

trying to fuck it up essentially. It's just like, well, you're, you're dreaming a little too big. Maybe you need to tone it down. I mean, maybe. I don't know. It's just, I see a lot of positives of what you're doing. And then it reminds me of that. But I think the focus should be on like, yeah, you're kicking ass and it's amazing.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. I mean, you're the same. People can say, oh, shooting a bow, a long range, or hunting. It's like, you're not changing the world. But I watched those videos. and that is what persuaded me to go out and I'm like, I'm gonna shoot further than Cameron Haynes

and I was like all the time. I would, I started like, I got much better at bow hunting. Like I was, you know, I would be a spot and stalking and trying to get like a super far shot. I don't recommend, unless you are good. Yeah. I don't recommend shooting animals really long distance because you might not get closer.

Right. But I try to do all the things you did, you know. I love it. I love it. That's why YouTube has rules about what you can do now. They're a lot more strict because people copy everything. Yeah, that's right. Kids get a lot of inspiration.

That's right. That's right. So. Yeah. I'm just like, just curious. You know, you said you grew up Jehovah Witness. Where are you at now with your faith? Like, do you go to church or just like?

So I have a really interesting background where it was very religious. My family was really hardcore religious, but they also were very, very supportive. And I had probably the best childhood, granted, you know, my situation. Very supportive parents. In the moment, you know, it's like, oh, I can't do what I want. This is terrible. Now that I'm older, I appreciate it so genuinely much. You know, I think that's most kids who are raised in religion.

Way later now, I see why, and I appreciate it. You know, kids don't understand why they're raised the way they are. strict. My parents did it in a good way. They're very sweet and mature parents loving. But now I feel, because of my history with Jehovah's Witnesses, my attitude is like I'll give anything a shot. And I'm not like, if someone wants to believe or do something,

I totally support that. Do what makes you happy. Yeah. And I have nothing against it. I just, from the past that I had with it, the dynamic of being a Jewish witness could bring me more pain than when I wasn't. And so, you know, I'm really trying to feel. I think I'm at an age where I'm just, I'm exploring everything, you know.

And there's so many religions out there. I have, I, I, I'm not like a super religious person at all, but I don't consider anything not a possibility. you know yeah um i you know and i i know like the morals that god and religion brings is amazing you it brings it really good people most of the time um but uh you know yeah i'm just i'm i'm i'm uh i'm open to anything and i really support people you know if they believe in something yeah i think that's good i think that's the idea is open love you know like like someone doesn't want to do something i think that's totally fine if they want to i think

that's great as well you know do it as long as you're not hurting other people yeah you know do what makes you happy. Yeah, I was curious just because of how you grew up so focused on that. Not focused, but it was, it's fine. I think it's good to have something to believe in. I think it's good to believe in Jesus and God. And I think that's, it is a great framework too. But also, you know, when we get closer to death, it might, might mean even a little more. but I was just curious because of how you grew up and I didn't know if you know

how are you still close with your family I mean yeah so sometimes that can cause riffs in a family it's we're such a loving family like my parents are so loving and I am too to them that I feel like even if that we have a little bit of falling out we all come back together actually like

it's it's never been like the whole like talk to my dad 20 years ago thing. That's good. He's coming to Dubai with me next week. Like we are, we are, I try to always rebuild, you know, if there's not a connection with something.

And it's definitely, you know, like, Joe's Witnesses want to, for life, always, you know, keep their family Joe's Witnesses. So I respect what they want as well. But I also have to respect what I want to. Yeah. And I just try to aim for a good middle ground, you know,

with it. But, but yeah, it was definitely hard for a while because I felt like my parents didn't like what I did. because I make a lot of money sometimes. Sometimes I lose a lot of money. I lose even more sometimes. But what I did and what I do is not quite in line with the Christian goals that they had or wanted for me. So I try to just walk a line with it now.

Yeah, well, it doesn't surprise me because you are such a respectful young man. I mean, it's not like you went overboard. the other way. You know, sometimes that happens, too. It's like kids grow up very restricted. They feel restricted. And then they're like going crazy. I'm sure people think I did go overboard the other way quite a lot. But I always make mistakes. Talking to you, talking to you, I can tell you're. I appreciate that. Yeah. Well, like, I know several times I did go overboard the other way, but the only way to learn is to experience something and realize it's not the right thing to do. I mean, that's how most people learn everything. So, you know, once you make a mistake, you know the proper

way to go about something. But it was definitely a really harsh learning curve coming out of a religion that basically requires you, prohibits you from talking to people who are not in the religion. So I had,

you believe as a Jehovah's Witness that anyone who's not a Jehovah's Witness is going to be destroyed in hell. Or destroyed by God. And you're taught not to talk to other people that are not Jehovah's Witnesses. So when I came out of that, life, it was like

airdropping you on North Sentinel Island. You don't know anybody, you don't know how to talk to them, you don't know what's normal, you are awkward, you have, you feel like a loser, you feel like you're behind. You know, like that's what it really felt like.

So I had a massive learning curve and of course that... So school was probably hard. School? Yeah. Like a school? Because I was one of the very few jobs when this is in school. And so you couldn't talk to the other kids? You can. So it's weird. Like, I can, I could talk to the other kids, just like a Joe's Witness at work, would talk to their coworkers.

But I wouldn't make friends with them. So you can have friends. You can have a girlfriend. You know, like, it's like only what must be done. There's no extracurricular. If they're having a party, I can't go to that party. I understand. I can only go to a party with other journalists.

And so although from their perspective, I understand it maybe, but from my perspective, it's never going to work for me, right? I just I I believe we have the gift of life where we should live it to the fullest you know in a good way and so that's just been like that was a horrific period of my life like horrific but I was optimistic throughout it all

I was just like being a kid is hard anyway in high school and going you know kids are just brutal to each other just in general then all of a sudden you have these other set of rules you have to follow yeah that that now that you give kids something else to make fun of you for or something. And it was never like that was a point.

They were almost curious about it more because they were like, that's so weird. Yeah. There'd be a birthday and I have to walk out. We don't celebrate birthdays or Christmas or any holidays. And so they're, you know, some of the teachers would like kind of punish us like, oh go in the closet during, it's really weird, go in the bigger closet, but like go in the closet during like music classes and are playing Christmas songs because we couldn't do Christmas stuff.

Yeah. And so it was definitely an outcast feel from the start. Yeah. But yeah, I was just like I, it's not a lie for me. So when I started the YouTube and everything, everybody from the outside is probably like, who is this weirdo? You know, like, I had the weirdest combination of circumstances

to lead to where I am. Yeah. But that's every successful person I feel. Yeah, for sure. You know, like they've had something that shocked them into just like, I'm never going to go through that again. Yeah. You know, you're broke.

You can live broke. and be okay with it. But when it hits a certain point, it shocks you into like, okay, what's going on? I'm never going to do this again. I need to get my shit together. Yeah. Yeah.

Just the dynamic of living and learning, you know. Yeah, it's amazing. It's, I think you've navigated it well. You said you've had some speed bumps along the way. Of course, what young person doesn't is they're growing up and learning tough lessons. And now you're building this incredible business here. it's just I'm blown away at your success but hearing more of your backstory it's uh I love it I mean

it's just like I said people have challenges anyway but you are such an inspiration because of everything you've had to deal with just being a human has there's special circumstances everybody wants to lump everybody in a box like oh yeah I did that too I had to do that too oh yeah when I was a kid this and that but like your your your circumstances are so unique and then your mindset and then dealing with stuff like this, I'm just, I'm just really impressed at your maturity and just like, just how you can navigate through stuff like this. But, uh, and I think to me, I think it can really help young man. Um, thank you. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm very impressed. Uh, I, sometimes I'll scroll through

my messages and on Instagram or whatnot. And of course, I see my comment. And, of course, I see my comment. there's a surprising amount of each party that either fully support me and appreciate and see what I do and see like through the facade of like, oh, I destroy nice things. And they see like my, maybe they saw my story and my history and my progress throughout it all. And, you know, maybe they look into it more and they really understand. But there's also such a crazily large surprising amount of people who, it does not matter. what you do, and obviously everybody says this, whatever you do, they look at you as like the scum of the earth, most negative, like, most negative comments ever towards you.

You be like, oh, I'm getting married. Screw you. You know, like, most positive thing is just like nothing that anyone wants to see. There's a lot of people like that. And it's easy for me, for someone who is kind of new to it all in a way, to just be like, oh, like, the world's terrible. Like, there's full of so many bad people. And I go through these phases where I'll get a lot of hate and I'll believe it. I'll be like, oh, this is, you know, I don't get stuck in my head, but I get stuck in the thought process of, like, negativity and just hatred and people throwing, you know, slander back and forth.

But then sometimes I get in the pattern of, okay, there's an equally large amount of good people that see through it. And they understand, like, we're all just trying to have a good time and make fun video. Yeah. Because, I don't know. Obviously people are sensitive, but they'll see me like break something on a car. They get mad. They don't have that thing and they think I'm being wasteful. I understand that because from certain perspectives, of course, it looks like that.

So I like to understand their side too. Yeah. But I also try to do things in a creative way. Like how much would it take for this to break? The car manufacturers are dirty pill testing their cars too. Right. Yeah, I don't know. And then you got Reddit groups that just.

I'm sure you have. Yeah. Oh, no. You've got the anti-hunters and all that. No, usually it's the hunters who are the worst. Yeah, it's, you know, because they see, like, opportunities I've earned. Right. They wish they had them.

They don't have them. So they want to talk shit on what I do, you know? Or, like, oh, I could, if they might say, I could have that success, too, if I got to hunt the best places. That's always what it is. Or if I had that much money. Yeah, it's usually the people. that are the anti's or whatever I don't even care about that they just don't understand but it's the fellow hunters that you're like come on guys I I made it

you can make it too I came from this shit experience and look you can do it and it's but some people they they don't have that they you know what what is the mindset that they have like there's the I don't I always get it wrong but like the restriction or the growth mindset but there's like this what is it when abundance mindset. Yeah, abundance. Abundance or whatever the opposite of abundance is. But when people look at it like, hey, there's not enough for everybody and this guy's taking

it all, you're just looking through a lens completely different than like how you look through it. And it's really hard for you to understand that type of person, that type of person to understand you. And it's, you know, I've heard Nick Saban say this before too, but like a higher achiever will never understand somebody who doesn't work hard or want and that person will never understand the high achiever. So just the way it goes. But yeah, it's, you know, I think people, they might see like, you're, you do sort of similar to like Danny Duncan. I had him on my show too. You know who

that is? And, but he's like, people love to hate him. Like, you're, you're just like such the, you're not trying to, he's trying to be obnoxious half the time. I don't see you doing that. But I think some people like, oh, they're all the same. They're all the same. But he's kicking ass himself too. Yeah. It's just like, whatever, there's more than one way to do it, I guess. YouTube has created a lot of very interesting careers.

Yeah. And whatever works for people, they're going to do it. Right. So, you know, if a guy started a YouTube channel and he made money dressing up in funny hats, he's going to make videos dressing up in funny hats. Yeah. Like, that's what he's going to do. Yeah.

And thankfully I've adapted the skill over time to like try new things and predict that they will do well. And I've really changed what I do. I used to only do videos with trucks and destroying trucks or doing crazy stuff with trucks. And then I started, you know, I did a video like catching thieves. Like I stole a bunch of stuff from me and I tracked him down. I went through all the evidence of it and trail camera pictures and everything. And tracked him down and got a search warrant, got all my stuff back in person. I did a video with a robot.

human-ed robot and we just explored like what it can do and I've been able to make some cool new styles of videos but yeah YouTube is a huge basket of people it's the new TV yeah so yeah it's a huge basket of people for sure um but there's things there's very unorthodox ways of making money yeah and it's so easy for people who are going to a nine to five or have a plumbing company to look at that and hate on it you know because it's like oh this guy's just goofing off right they all don't see when I lose half a million dollars in a cornfield. Yeah, yeah. Like, I play big and lose big for sure.

Yeah. But I respect that just as much. I mean, there's actually, I enjoy, like, doing work with my hands just as much, you know, as long as it's not negative 20 degrees. But that's one too. You're pounded nails. Yeah. That YouTube rabbit hole, that's actually how Joe Rogan found me.

So I used to just carry, well, you know. The rock. Rock up the mountain. Yeah. And so he would, like in 2014, sent me a mess or tweeted, hey, do you want to come to L.A. and talk about bow hunting and training. And, you know, I had never met him or whatever. But it was just because he's always on YouTube checking out stuff.

And he likes people who do, they don't have to be famous, but do their own thing and do their own way. And that's how we became friends. Yeah, I saw your rock videos. The rock period was after the long-range bow shooting period. And I found, I did the same thing. And one day, I was like, you know what? I'm running every day.

Not every day. I'm going to try the rock thing. And I would, I like pick up this rock and I was like, okay, never mind. We're not going to do the rock. We're not going to do the rock. But what I did do is I would have two tents, two dumbbells that I would run with. And that would help my traps and stuff. For sure.

But, yeah, I tried the rock. I was like, I don't know how he does the rock. Yeah. It's brutal. The shape. The rock sucks. I have this huge hill here, though. Oh.

So as a kid, I would climb mountains with my dad a lot, and they would always be climb able mountains for a kid. And I would always look at the big ones and be like, Dad, we need to climb that. He's like, nope, not going to do it. That's not possible. Like it is, but we'll die. We'd be on family vacation, and I'm 10 years old, and I want to climb Grand Teton or whatever.

Yeah. And I always wanted to do it. And I made up my mind. Now this year I'm finally getting a little bit of extra time to spend time with family and explore and do what I've always wanted to do to mix it in with my career. And I wanted to climb Grand Teton. I didn't know how hard is, have you climbed it? No, I haven't. I didn't know how hard to climb Grand Teton.

Yeah, yeah. It's right there out of Jackson, right? Yeah. It's the big one. Yeah. And it's a technical mountain. I chat GPT'd. What's the best mountain to climb with my friends for a YouTube video?

Yeah. Here's some of the biggest ones. Grand Teton. That sounds good. And I didn't know that Grand Teton is like 100 foot repels. It's anchors. It's like 50 people have died. But I'm like, all right, we're going to do it.

And I practice and train a bunch. I climb my hill here. I have a backpack. I'd load 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 pounds into it. Climb it every day. In the heat, hot summer heat. My buddy and I would. We're prepping for the Grand Teton climb.

And I'm like, all right, we need a third person to just go with us for like a funny character. So I had Josh Beaumarcombe. Oh, okay. And he, I almost, I had him get hold of you for the second episode. I think you were busy with something. Oh, yeah. And, um, oh, I think he did send me a text. Yeah, we did another one and he couldn't make it. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, so we, we all climb it and we're like, none of us had climbed something that big before. It was insane. It's just a massive, massive mountain. Yeah. And we're like all loaded up. Most people go for speed because you can do it a day if you're really fast. and we're just thinking it's like this master

where we load up our packs and we're just trudging up the hill and everyone's running by us and we're like people are passing us like where are you guys going? And we didn't have

like camping permits or anything and we ended up hearing this loud I was recording. I picked up my camera we hear this loudest do you see my video? No.

It's okay I post a lot. We hear the loudest like fighter jet. Remember, I'm a different generation. Totally. Me and Joe are in a old generation. I haven't seen a lot of yourself too. It's okay. What? No, just kidding.

I'm not on YouTube as much. But we hear the loudest fighter jet flying over. And I'm like, what is that? It's like an evening, super calm and quiet. Half the mountain face is collapsing. Like, there's, there's, I might be able to pull it up.

There's like this massive cliff just collapsing. And the rocks are coming towards us, like up the hill. And I'm talking 100 feet tall boulders, like half the hill. And I'm like, get down, get down, get down, and we're screaming. Like, it's going towards the trail where people are walking. Whoa. And I couldn't see over the crest where it's going.

But yeah, we bailed that night because we had four of them. We heard four of them. We bailed. Yeah, we're going to night rock slides. And I was like... Oh, you mean after the jets flew like four different times? No, it was not jets. That's what the rock slide sounded like.

Oh, I see. Oh, shit. It was horrifying. It was like, that's scary. It was horrifying. That's scary. And so we bail, we run down, we're like falling down the mountain trying to get away because the cliffs are all above us and they're collapsing.

God. It's intense. So I'm like, I'm still gonna summit. So I go home, I train up and I come back a week later. And I climb the mountain with two guides that we met on the way down that night. Okay. I climb it again. We start at midnight.

We climb it. It was the most miserable, horrendous, insane climbing my life. It was snowing on the way up in the middle of summer. I have this massive backpack. I am cramping up. I've never climbed a mountain this big. It's technical. I know nothing about ropes or anything.

No joke. When I got to the top of that mountain, I cried. I literally cried. I FaceTime my mom and everything. I had a signal up there. And I cried. That's incredible. I was like, this is the most rewarding moment ever.

And I'm going to do it again for sure, but it was fun. How long did it take? Like, could you leave? Like, what it took? two in the morning or something like that? Yeah, it was an 18 hour hike. 18 hour to get to the summit? The record is three.

I did an 18. That's how bad I was. The guides I went with were like run ahead like you would. Yeah. And I'm just like, oh. Yeah, it's, well, what does it get up to? 13,000? That is 13,300 or something.

Yeah, that's hot. That air's thin up there. Yeah, and I wasn't used to some from here, so I was like not used to it. Is it, was it Michael Senseri or what's his? Sincere. Yeah. That's who has a record, right? Yeah.

Oh, you know him? Well, that's the guy who got arrested. Oh, okay. Yeah, same trail. Who Trump had a pardon. Yeah, so I think he was setting the FKT, which is fastest known time. And if they said it was three hours, it's probably him. I don't know.

But anyway, we need to have him on the pod too. He was trying to, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But yeah, if you cut the switchbacks apparently, you're going to prison. Yeah, so what I started doing after I heard about that, I lock my doors during the day, and every weekday I stay inside.

I don't enjoy nature. I stay inside. And then I canceled all my national park trips. I watch national parks on the TV, actually. And then I have a treadmill instead of climbing real mountains, I do that so I don't go to prison because I don't want to get arrested. And you wear a mask? Yeah, I'll do a VR headset.

And I pretend I'm climbing it. So I don't have to worry about going to prison. Yeah, I wear a mask too because I don't want to get COVID in here. Oh, I can't say that on YouTube. That's a good approach. Yeah, that's very safe and very responsible. Yeah. No, well, that's, I mean, that's a real mountain.

That's amazing. Yeah. That's the biggest one I've climbed. And then my dad and I did one in Colorado. Have you heard of Navajo Mountain? There's a plane crash up in there. Big old plane crash from way back when the remnants are all still there. Okay. He's never climbing out like this.

Is it 14,000? It's 11. Oh, how much? 10 or 11. 10 or 11, yeah. And it was really bad weather. And I was like, Dad, we're going to climb the big mountain now. And we did it.

And it was the ranger. We had to get a parking path for this huge parking lot. We show up at three in the morning. For everyone else, it's empty, he wouldn't let us park there. I dropped my dad off. I drive four miles back to the public road, and I jogged four miles up to the starting point to start with my dad. We'd climb all day, see a bunch of moves that was amazing together.

It was all he could do to make it. And we finally did the big mountain together. And on the way back down, we get to the bottom. He's like, ask these kids if we can get a ride back to the car. because we're not going to walk four miles back. And these kids knew me, the last people, and we got a ride. And I'm like, I'm sure the car was here. We drove and drove and drove and drove.

And they're like, dude, you parked all the way down here to start this trail. But I finally did the big mountains. So I'm, yeah. That's good. But I know you do that like every day. Oh, no. No, we don't have, in Oregon, we don't have mountains quite like Colorado. But I've done one of my friends lives in Leadville, which is 10,000 feet back there in Colorado.

and there's, I think there's like 60 some, 14,000 foot peaks in Colorado. We've done six of them. So we'll run up those. Like the biggest one is Mount Albert. I think it's 14,0003 something. But we've done that, done some other ones. But normally in Oregon, like 8,500 is a good one that I go and do all the time. Or not all the time, sometimes.

Yeah, Oregon's out there. Yeah. When did you and your dad do that? that was right before the climbing season ended okay so this year this yeah how old it's he now i did three mountains this summer i did one with my girlfriend i did one of the grand titan and then one with my with my dad how old is your dad uh 55 i think oh okay yeah he's younger than me dude how old are you 58 oh wow no you are so in shape yeah so you're never gonna be out of shape your dad's your dad's younger than me that's crazy yeah um you have one kid three okay so i got uh my oldest

I think is 31 or 32, then Truitt, who's a pull-up kid, and then my daughter's 22. Okay. So, yeah. Nice, nice, nice. Yeah. I don't have a wife or kids yet, but I have a girlfriend in Dubai. She's Russian. Really?

Turn to Dubai. And I hope we can get married soon. You meet her in Indiana there? No, no. That's Instagram. I was joking. So, yeah, which and or Rishigidi, Peruski, Stich. What's that?

I'm learning Russian. What's that? Say it again? Yeah, which is that? Now I can speak Russian very good. What is that? Oh, okay, that's what that means. Yeah, so.

That's how much I know. Yeah, well, so, yeah, crazy. I guess I end up in the most culture-shocked situations now, but. The closest to Russia, I saw, I watched John Wick. Oh, yeah. So I think that's it. They speak Russian, right? Isn't that the guy who killed his dog, wasn't he Russian?

I don't remember, probably. They're always portrayed as the bad guys. Astor, are all the, do Russians look at Americans as the bad guys? Yeah, what'd she say? I think of Russia. Yeah. Well, anytime I think of Russia, I'm always like Dagestan, because that's where Khabib's from. And those guys are just freaks as far as training in the mountains.

Yeah. And just, yeah, so it just seems like they're super tough and always killers in movies. For sure. So. Russians are crazy for sure. Yeah. They got a very cool, like, traditional culture there too. Yeah.

I wish I could go. You can't go. This is a lot going on, you know. Oh, yeah, right. Has she been back here? No, she can't. So, that's my lovely life situation right now. Oh, I see.

I'm going to Dubai in two weeks with my dad for him to meet her. Okay. Because she cannot come to America, and understandably, immigration is very strict. Totally understand it. But because she cannot come to America, every month I fly to Dubai. Oh, I see. hours each way. I moved her to Dubai because I can't go to Russia. So we have a place in Dubai. And it's a lovely place I like Dubai too. But every month I go, I spend one or two weeks there

and I fly all the way back. We have applied for a fiance visa. It's a year out minimum. Oh, I see. So she can't live here. So what if you got married? No? Marriage visa is a year out too. Oh, got you. Big little stack and we're at the bottom. I see. So it's been a huge learning curve like I have had to start a new life there I've had to learn to do business there I was living in Airbnb's like I just felt like I had everything here and then it started from zero there again and as much as it sounds like a first world problem like oh you know oh boohoo you got to fly Dubai yeah it is so hard when this is where my business is you know when I'm in Dubai I make zero dollars I'm losing money I was living in Airbnb's I don't

how anything works there. I got horribly sick to like near death one time. Like I got a horrible sickness on the plane. And I'm just like in a hotel in Dubai like suffering, not make, losing money. It's definitely been very hard, very, very hard. Just because I like I want to put her first and also be successful in my business. Yeah. So it's been very hard.

Is it getting easier back there? Yeah. How many times have you went? 15. 15? Probably. Okay. It's getting a little easier, though.

Now that I've got some good friends there, there's so many good people there. Right. So many good people. Yeah, I've never been. It's a really cool place. It's not much nature. No.

It's a cool place. Isn't that where the UFC has fights sometimes? No, I know Andrew Tate has like a fight coming up there. Oh, does he? But I'm not sure. I'm not sure. They do something over there. I can't remember if it was...

They invite a lot of performance culture. or performing arts. Yeah. They love to invite all that out there. They pay comedians a lot. Yeah, yeah. They love... Intertenors.

Yeah. I know that. They love to have performing arts out there. Yeah. And just have all the cool, you know, biggest and best of everything. It's a cool place to go. But...

Do any car videos over there yet? No. They have very interesting vehicles. But I want to do... I'm doing a Porsche Gt3 durability test out there. Oh, okay. So,

we're pulling locations for it in permits and everything i want to do it legally yeah that's a thing the bigger profile you get the more t's and eyes you got a dot and cross yeah and um because they will whoever doesn't like you will look for the slightest little nuance or something you forgot yeah and this happens um yeah you know or or you did everything right and this happens you know yeah which i think is the case um but but uh yeah it's it's as you know the i don't know if you've been sued, but the bigger you get, obviously, there's a massive target for people to bring you down for no reason at all. And I hope no one sues me because they're not going to get any money because I don't have it. You know, like I have what I need to accomplish the

goals I want to accomplish that cost just as much, right? So like, like I might do something that looks crazy, but I had just enough money to do that crazy thing. You're funding these projects. I'm pushing everything to the limit of what I can do, what I can think of my imagination. Like this room next to us I'll show you after I have the walls every square inch of the walls has ideas written down Big ideas like private jets and all this things I want to do things that are 10 years in the future maybe that are gonna take everything we have to do it mostly I can't even do right now And I had sworn when I hit 10 million subscribers I'm gonna do a Bugatti durability test Oh nice three million dollar car you know when I promised I would do that? I had a hundred dollars in my bank account

three years ago, four or five years ago. That's awesome. And like, it was dreaming so big. I was like, that's never going to happen. The idea of dreaming that big is what brought me here to do those things. And, you know, someday when I actually do have, like, a substantial cash flow to do it, I really want to adapt in a way that helps people in need. But you can't help people in need if you can't help people in need.

Like, I have to have a dollar before I can help my friend. Yeah, you know? The same is like put your mask on if your airplane crashes before you help others. Yeah. Like what good am I if I'm some loser who has nothing, you know? Like my idea of success monetarily is if my friends or family are in a difficult spot, that money is freedom. Yeah. It's like you're sick, I can help heal you.

You are in debt, I can help free you. Or like, you're losing your home, we can take care of that. Yeah. Um, your car breaks down, no problem. We'll send a helicopter. That's where I want to get. Yeah. Um, I, I like, that is my goal financially.

A hundred percent. No, that's, I feel the same. I mean, it's, I like to, I like, I like to have, the more money I have, the more I can give away. That's what I like to do. It's just like, um, yeah, and it feels good. And then it reminds me like, uh, when COVID was going around, my wife got, did get really sick. and Joe said

he's like I'll just have you couldn't get like God what the hell was that stem cells no it wasn't stem cells no it was uh

well Ivermectum too or Ivermectum too wait what the fuck is it again Ivermectin what the oh the antibodies like remember they're doing the antibodies you couldn't get them

because they were like they actually helped people so the doctors medical industry were like, oh, no, that actually would help people. We don't want that. So you can't get them now. Joe sent like this nurse team and they came down and gave her the monoclonal antibodies is what they were. And she got better like in a day. But the point was, it's like, who knows how much that cost to have a doctor come remote? We don't even, you know, he lives in Texas. We live in Oregon. But to me, that's like, that's what I want to be able to do. When my

friends or somebody, and that's kind of what you just alluded to, is like, If somebody needs help, I can help you. That's what this is all for. It's just like, yeah, it's nice to win. And like I said, I like to have those goals and achieve them. But I also like just to give and help people. Yeah. It's easier for people to look at it in a selfish way.

Like, oh, you have all this. Yeah. But at the same time, everything I have here, I use for my business to grow. And I wouldn't consider myself a hoarder by any means. My savings account is nothing to look at in special. But, but yeah, like, I, I love being in a position where my, what I have monetarily, I view as a freedom amount. Yeah. Where if my car breaks down, I don't have to walk three miles to the gas station now, you know?

Like, that allows me the freedom to continue my day, even though there's adversity in the past. And if you're in a situation you don't like, you can get out of that. That's the benefit of money. So I view it as freedom. I don't view it as like a lot of people see what I do. And I love nice things. Like I have a carbon fiber cowboy hat. It's made by hand.

Like I love cool, nice things. But that's like not what life is about. If I post my nice things, it's not to flex it to show, oh, I have this. I do it in a way that's like you can have this. And this comes from, this, this is, like, this might be a nice car that people look at as a symbol and they love it. It's a symbol of like wealth or something. I view it as an experience that I can experience now in life because I worked to achieve it. Like money is freedom and experiences in being able to do the things that you wouldn't have been able to do.

Money is life. You know, like, it's very hard to enjoy a life. with no money, uh, in some cases. Like, you can go enjoy nature. Yeah.

But, but the day that you get sick or getting a car crash and your leg is amputated, that costs money. You know, like, like you can get in a,

okay, a healthy person can enjoy live and no money. But, you know, the day that it hits the fan, mm-hmm. That money can buy your life back. Yeah.

You know, that's what's important. Yeah. I don't think life is all about money. Yeah, and another thing, I think, you know,

depending on how this girlfriend thing goes with you, but in getting married and family. Another thing money does for me is I can help my kids if my kids need to get it into a house or need a car issues. So yeah, it's like it goes beyond too where right now what I see with you though is you're accumulating or I don't know if you're accumulating anything. You're like basically just living dreams and visions you have, but you have employees. I see a lot of people here working and that feels good.

It feels good to pay people, right, to do what they, enjoy doing or help you achieve what you want to achieve. And you're able to hire people and do that. That takes money also. So you're, you know, giving people careers essentially to help you achieve whatever vision you have. And then pretty soon that'll go into your family and kids and things like that. So yeah, that money does, I mean, that's, yeah.

It takes, takes money to do all that. Yeah. I think, I think it's a, it's easy to fall into the trap of the non-abundance mindset where you, you look at nice things and you think it's all selfish and conceded, you know, from, from any perspective, you see a random person you don't know at all. They have something nice. It's easy to look at that as they think they're better than me. And that exact mentality is exactly what keeps you in that position. That's what kept me in that position until I realized that almost every single person that had something I didn't have was such a loving, amazing person.

And I met them and talked to them and they're like, they wanted to give back. They're like, bro, we got to hang out and do this together and this. It's like, that's why they're there. Because they view everybody as a positive connection. And, you know, we're all a family and a good network. Like, that's the way to look at it. And when you look at that as a negative thing, you would close yourself off from all the good people that can help you.

You sabotage yourself. The good people are the people, mostly, you know, are the people that are doing the things that you're looking at as, like, negative, you know? Yeah, that's, I mean, that's one thing that the most successful or one of the most successful people I know is Joe Rogan and it's like I've seen his generosity firsthand and I didn't understand that either

coming from a small town where it was like everyone was competition. It's just like if you won that means I couldn't win. You took something from me because there wasn't there's only so much to go around where he told me he's just like he goes dude he goes there's enough cake for everyone. We're not running out of cake and like that mindset

changes everything and as cliche as it sounds, the Bible will talk about this, but the more you give, the more you receive. And it's like, you can't think like you're keeping track, like, oh, I gave this much,

I should be getting this much back. But when you just do things because just being generous because you love for your fellow man, somehow for some reason, and it's just that energy you're talking about, it comes back. You are rewarded.

Not because you have the goal of being rewarded, just because you're living the right way and you're generous and you believe in people and you want to help people succeed. That is an energy that is, that's rewarded in this universe. If you want to look at it religiously or through the Bible or through just being a good person, that's just how it works.

Yeah. And I've learned that. It took me a lot longer than you to learn that. But I have learned that over time just from people like Joe and people that you, you know, successful people you meet, you see that they exhibit that too. And they're like, no, we can all achieve. But I love it.

I know what you're saying. When you said that about the small town feeling like there's not enough to go around and everybody's competition. I lived that game for a long time when I started, though. And it was a bloodbath. It was cut throat. Anybody who caught my, anybody who caught my line of sight was competition. Yeah.

It was like, it was like clawing against a wall to climb up, you know? Like at all. cost right I never screwed anybody over but I was like I see you too yeah I'm gonna be ahead and that that is a good attitude to have you know in a loving way though you know like like I love you just as much I want you to succeed to that's the attitude that you need to yeah right so like do it do it at all costs in a good way but hope that they can succeed to I think that's that's the mine wasn't like that for a long time is you know that small town it's like

oh yeah it's usually not you know I think if If somebody makes it out, I don't know. I mean, there's people who don't want you to make it out because then it kind of, then they have to look themselves in the mirror. And there's like, well, if he made it, why can't I? And then it makes, then you have to be self-reflection, right? You have to be like, well, what am I doing something that's causing me to not get these same opportunities?

And nobody wants to do that because they want to say like, oh, no, well, he's, he's an ass kiss or he, whatever, or took a shortcut or it's just like, or maybe you could just work harder. Yeah, I've spent a long time reflecting and dissecting these dynamics of how, what, like, visual success is highly subjective. You know, you can look at someone and not know their story and it's easy to think one thing or the other. But I've, since doing social media, it's really easy to just measure success on numbers and you see someone else, you put in a ton of work and they get more numbers, more views. That's just success in the social media. That's just success in social media world or in real life maybe it's a car you're driving the second you start watching them

you fall behind yeah because you're you it's it's that like nuance of why are they there and i'm not i deserve this as long as i focus is wrong the momentum i stay focused on what i want i know it's there it's no different than the illustration you're driving a certain direction if you're watching that person you're going to crash just stay focused on your goal you know the path to get it focus on the next step every time. Who cares what they're doing? They have the same goal. They might have just started earlier.

Like, I know I'll achieve it. The more I focus and I keep the rolling momentum, I'm good. Yeah. You know? And the second that I go all up my head, like, why is this person there already? You view them as competition. You view it as a negative thing. It's, I've just gone through that equation so many times and it works every time.

Just focus on the end goal. If I need to pivot, I'll pivot. Right. pay attention to that. But don't, don't, like, get all in your head about someone else achieving what you wanted. Right. You know. Just keep working hard.

Head down, focused. And everybody has different circumstances. Maybe you have a life situation that prevents you. A family might keep you from getting something that the single guy has already. You know, it's nothing wrong with that. You know, you have different circumstances. Just do you want the family? You know, like, pay attention to that too.

Yeah, I mean, you know, again, on my own. personal experience, I know, so people could say, well, I have a family, so I have other responsibilities that this kid doesn't have. That's why he's able to do this. To me, having the family change gave me focus. Like, I was just an idiot getting drunk, doing stupid shit. And then I had a kid, and I'm like, okay, now I got to get serious. So yeah, you could say that, well, it's negative because I have these other people relying on me. To me, it changed my life as a positive. Totally agree. You know, and that's just like, so that's just how you perceive it. That's to your point.

It's just like, how are you looking at this? Is it a blessing or is it a curse? If it's a blessing, it's just a whole different thing. And it's the same circumstance. But it's just how you navigate that. Yeah, I think it all comes down to just realizing everybody, like they have their goal. You have your goal. Work on what you want.

You know, work together, view everybody as an inspiration or, you know, someone to, to look after if they're in the spot you want to be just look at what they're doing how can you how can you pull aspects out of that and apply it you know that's it yeah that was my whole book called out or undeniable is on outliers it's like i just try to take the the best of whatever industry athletics business science and like okay what do they do that i could do like what aspect i'm not going to be a neuroscientist like huberman but there's something he does that i can use and so that's That's what we take these nuggets from, that's a beautiful part of being a human. It's just like you can take nuggets from other people who have been crushing it and you can

do that same thing yourself. Yeah. Copy it. Whatever. Just put your own spin on it. And that's like, to me, that's, what a gift. You know, to be, to have this opportunity to sit and talk to you and get into your mind and and maybe take from some of the lessons you've learned, I can use those.

And, um, yeah. the small town mindset of everyone's competition. It also leads you the opposite of what you just said, where that small town mindset would lead me to think, I don't want to give up my secrets. Yeah. They're my secrets. I learned them the hard one. Why would I tell you, I learned on the hard way? Why would I tell you how to make a good YouTube video? Yeah. But if everybody was like that, you, the trade of information, not having the trade is way worse than giving up your secret. It's not a secret. Like, it will be found out regardless. Yeah. And I was used to think,

okay, so there is a pro and a con. Why does Mr. Beast explain how people can make good YouTube videos? I applied it and I made good YouTube videos. I had a lovely weekend with Mr. Beast and a bunch of friends. And after that weekend,

I did triple or quadruple what I had always done. Really? Immediate. Based on what you learned from him? Yeah. Okay. We all went to the ski lodge

and traded ideas. And I was one of the very few lucky people to be invited. and I was there first and it was just me and Mr. Bees and he's like I haven't seen your videos let's put one up

and I'm like oh yeah he's gonna love this three seconds in I would have stopped watching it right there I was like oh my gosh are you serious but I wasn't mad I was like let's see what we can change

and yeah I applied it but you know the difference is giving up you're not giving up a secret if it works that well because only the people that apply it and put the work in are going to use it. That's the only way it works.

So the bright people are the ones that are going to use it in the first place. There's not anyone else with 400 million subscribers. You still have to apply it. So, yeah, that's been the biggest key. It's like, I love giving what I know and what I've learned because I know that, you know, you still have to apply what that information is. Yeah. You know, like, I want everyone to be successful.

But, you know, it's just, it's just like, But it's not like all success is earned, you know, the right people are going to get it, you know. What, what, why did, after three seconds, why did he say he'd stop watching it? You're slow. Too slow. Because I know, like, if I look on my Instagram reels, like the click through rate, it's like, you got three seconds. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's, you got to do something right out of the game.

I've never been like, okay, so short. form content doesn't really make money. It can if there's a sponsor on it, but it's really just the numbers that it brings. So I never focus too much on it, so I can't give good advice necessarily on it. I know how you need something very aesthetically impactful immediately. The biggest key is an open and closed loop. It's what they call it, or an open loop. So when someone starts watching, if I drop a ball, they're going to watch until the ball hits whatever I dropped it on, right? And that open loop is what creates duration. Yeah. People staying and watching. Yeah. But YouTube videos,

There is a lot. The more you do it and the more you really try to aim for virulity and what draws most numbers, there's so many little tiny aspects that you have to pay attention to. And yeah, he taught me a lot. I learned so much. But it's also constantly evolving. So what worked a year ago doesn't work now. Yeah.

Well, that's where I'd have the balloon way out on the target because that was basically the open closed loop. It's just like, oh, I'm going to shoot at this. And then people ought to be like, is he going to hit it? got to watch a video. Yeah. So it's like that. And now I shoot through car windows, but the same thing.

People just want to know, oh, is this arrow going to get through the car window? Right. Yeah. And so I get that part of it too. But yeah, I was just curious because obviously he's, you know, Mr. Beast. He knows what it takes. But it is when you have 400 million subscribers, there are a different set of rules. You know, I mean, so if you're just on the come up, maybe you got to do something a little

bit different than somebody who has 400 million you know right i mean i i see like people say well goggins he hardly ever post and he's got you know 14 12 whatever million like he's gawkins yeah i mean you have a different set of circumstance yeah so it is a little different but but you can learn from everybody um it's pretty interesting uh did you have any no fucking questions this time no question you don't have a mary kill We always have a, this is confusing for people because you know what Mary Kill is, right? But I got a fiancee. Yeah, no, but it's usually like not people.

Yeah. Like we had it with this Olympic runner and she's a writer and a movie producer and I don't know what else. But we had, so you had to, are you going to marry kill running, writing, and something. And she could, she was just like, I'm not going to say I'm going to kill running. I'm going to run my whole life. It's just part of the game. Yeah, yeah. So we...

Yeah, I'll do whatever messed up questions you have. All right. Very kill. The monster truck. The killdozer. The Lambo. Oh, no, yeah. The Ferrari.

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So, Mary, you're with it for the rest of your life. Okay. The... That's just for fun, right? It's like a one-night stand. And then kill is like, like.

you can never mess with it again. Okay. Um, kill the killdozer. It's just like it's slow and clunky. Too aggressive with the name. That's what caused the problem on your court thing because you had kill. Perhaps. You're gonna go to the court. Sounds scary. I get it. It is. Yeah. That thing is it has been like, I was like, oh, super easy viral idea. Horribley horribly large amount of fabrication and welding. It's very slow. It's extraordinarily heavy, hard to move anywhere. It costs 30 grand to load it up and haul it. Yeah. Not fun. It's very, it's very much. It's very large amount of fabrication and haul it. Yeah. Not fun. It's Very cool, though. It's a piece of art that no one else has. So what's the return rate on that? Like, when are you going to pay for that?

As soon as someone shows me where they have a whole shopping mall to demolish, that's when I'm waiting for it. Okay. People are like, oh, I have this house, but it's bigger than the house. So I need a whole, I'm waiting for a small town. There's been some, like, a mayor of one place hit me up. He's like, this part of the town's got to go. All right. I'm in. Well, if you kill it, though. I know, I know. But the monster. truck um that's got to be the merry because it's like the story of my whole youtube that's what i drove when i started and it brought me like as much as it's impractical that's not what it's about for me

i don't care how well it performs whatever it's the idea of trying no matter what in building something bigger and better and cooler um like like that that truck to me signifies the every decision that's led to where i am of like i've built it into something i thought would be crazy and it broke immediately, but then I fixed what broke and I had something good. It's so, it symbolized a lot for me. It's just been there throughout my whole journey and one of these days it'll be running good, I hope. So that was the Mary? Yeah, yeah. And also the fuel tanks are like, those are so sick, dude. Yeah, the missiles. The missiles. We love our dumb shit. I love, yeah, that is. So I get that. So what are you going to f- The Ferrari, man. Ferrari. Yeah, there you go. Do I get to drive? Do I get to drive? Do I get to

that? Bro, have you been in a wreck before? This is a crazy car, bro. Totally. Really? Totally. You got to feel it. But should we drive it to jelly rolls?

100%. And show them. Break it, you buy it though. I'm actually going to a steakhouse right after this. We'll go together. Okay. It's a very, bro, it's, I'm sure you're into cars.

Yeah. Yeah. What do you have? Rented? No, what do you have? Oh. Do you have any? Oh, like good cars?

Like that? No. No. I have that pickup. my wife has a, what is that, a range rover? It's like, nothing like. It's such a weird, bro, you know, I used to actually be the person that was like, uh, impractical, supercar, whatever, until I got behind the wheel.

And then I was like, I am never, ever, ever back. Like, yeah. No, I've never been in like a real. Oh my gosh, man. Joe had me in his Tesla. I don't know what Tesla it is, but he's like, okay, you're ready? And we were just like, I mean, it is fucking crazy. So it must be something like that.

Yeah, it's, it's. It's phenomenal, so you'll have to see it for sure. Yeah. We have a cyber truck. We did the whole durability test. I don't know if you saw it. It's all falling apart. He just talked to me.

It has 900 miles on it still. It's like completely totaled. Oh, I heard him talking about that. He's just like, only 900? How's that right? And they're like, whoa, we trailered to the dealer this back and forth. Yeah. And it's already totaled.

Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see how everything goes. Man, I appreciate the podcast so much. Oh, man. I just meeting you and having you in here is like, it's just such a cool full circle moment because like I followed you for so long and I I just like absorbed everything you said and I did what you did you know like I wanted to do it and like that

was such a good like such a good figure for me to like look after 10 years ago you know 15 years ago 15 years ago it was really it was a really good time it's great to meet you I'm like I said I'm super impressed and what you what you've built here is incredible and for your age it's just like I don't understand it but yeah I'm super impressed with just you as a human thank you I appreciate that genuinely thank you yeah it's it's it's great to be here and thank you so much for thank you allowing me and you're the first you're probably the first person to come into this room I made it just for this I love it I love it the kitchen table that we're about to destroy soon so well Cody I appreciate you, brother. Thank you so much. It's nice meeting you finally.