Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 184 - Sh*t Talkers Weekly 24

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

Join us for a new Sh*t Talkers Weekly podcast episode where we discuss comments from YouTube about the podcasts, recent races and Cam’s running goals, logic on pushing past excuses, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Marty Supreme Movie, Ketones, & Social Media Control 00:04:57 – Comments on Sh*t Talkers Weekly Episodes 00:14:54 – Conspiracies Behind Birth Control 00:20:10 – James Running Logic for Time & Lifting 240lbs 00:23:27 – Cam’s Recent Races, Training, & Cam’s Running Heart Rate 00:37:10 – Pushing Past the Excuses During Training 00:47:25 – New Merch, Upcoming Guests, James’ Training & Triathlons 00:56:21 – Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Good Ranchers: https://www.goodranchers.com/ use code CAMERON for $25 off your first order Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your orderMontana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off

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24 for show. Kobe was 24. Yeah. He was also 8. The second greatest player of all time. Right behind. Wasn't Richard Sherman 242? Yeah.

Oh, he's going to say something. Oh, I did watch, I don't know if this is on your list, but the Timothy Shalome, your, is he your crush? Yeah. Yeah. Timmy C. Yeah, his Marty Supreme. Oh, you watched it? Yeah.

Oh, shit. Did you watch it? Yeah. Intense, dude. Stressful. Yeah. God, he was such a fuck up that whole movie. I know.

I mean, thank God at the end. How did he not win? and a fucking Oscar. Because of his gay comments about ballet and opera. I mean, okay, the opera comments, I think they were on, maybe they were in between lists. But anyways, he's not wrong. When was the last time you were like,

I'm going to go to the opera? Well, and who cares? What does it have to do with his acting? Well, I thought, that's the problem. It's all politics. I thought they were supposed to judge it on this movie, this actor, this performance. Yeah.

I mean, God. I don't know. He'll win one with Dune 3. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Wasn't Michael B. Jordan who won it? Yeah. I haven't seen that movie.

I'm sure it's terrible, but whatever. Is it good? I don't know. I don't know. I know they're just a bunch of dick writers for it, and people are like, yeah, this movie's not good. But I don't know. I don't know how you can have a better acting performance than Timmy C.

I thought he nailed that. He's so good. I thought he nailed that. But, and I don't know. know maybe maybe michael b jordan did i'm sure he did good but yeah i'm i'm interested to see when we have an actor named lebron b james or gideon b williams about that b is short for butt plug oh all right well yeah let's get into it shit i wanted you to wear your um st patty's day glasses i know i saw some comments on that but i can't with a hat oh that's true

you? No. Probably not. No. Um, well, first business is, this has got the caffeine. No, no caffeine. No, see, see, I've been like, you know what I've been doing? No caffeine afternoon. And I used to be like, Poussi, you'll have a quad-americano at 10 at night. And never slept. Yeah. But no, so I've been doing it at noon and, uh, or no caffeine afternoon. I've sleeping good. So here's, keep down, here's another one for you. I kind of had a pinky out on that one. Ooh, fancy. I know. Yeah.

So now we're dialed in. You know what I've been doing? And this is, uh, gets into how we're controlled, which I'm guessing, you could drink coffee past noon, you stay up later. You, you're on Instagram or whatever. But I've done like no scrolling, no Instagram or anything past like 8 p.m. Yeah. because that's how they control us.

But then I was thinking maybe they want me to think because I've stopped doing that and I've been sleeping like shit since I've been doing that. Yeah. So now I'm thinking that's what they want. So really I should scroll more. Yeah. Stay up later.

Yeah, go hard at them. Like, oh, you want me to do this? Okay, I'm going to do it more. You guys. He's like, no, no. He's pushing the limit on this. We haven't tested this. Boop, boom.

You know, like, code red he's got he's too much he's been on here 24 hours a day yeah so you and i'll know everything you could break the matrix yeah you would know if bb's alive or dead you that's on the list you would know oh god yeah anyway um yeah you'd know everything yeah well that's what i'm kind of thinking i'm i'm thinking about creating a head rig that i can scroll with my eyes hands off and I can just have it in front of my face all day, every day. Don't they have glasses that do that yet? Oh, probably.

Yeah. I don't know what the meta glasses do. Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah. Okay, so we got some things to talk about, but first, I went through and looked at all the comments from previous shit talkers episodes. Oh, okay, good. So I pulled some, but I do want to say after going through all the comments, you know, not to get sappy, but it's really cool to see all the support. how much everyone likes this podcast.

And psych, you all suck. The next time you try and suck my dick, don't forget to cup the balls. We don't need, I don't care. Don't listen. Turn this off right now. Don't like, don't subscribe.

We don't care. And it's all love. It's all love, baby. So now that we got that out of the way, someone commented a year ago that we should have Peter a T on. Who? Who are you? Yeah, yeah.

And so what's been going on in your life? Well, I saw that and I immediately thought that they're a fed. Definitely. You know? Definitely. Yeah. Peter Atia, those are words that nobody said in about the last three months. Let's have Peter Atia on.

I think that hasn't been said. That's the first time. So if you're still listening, you have a chance to go back and delete that comment. Yeah, yeah. Let's see. Oh, someone said, go back to shooting a bow, let Joe Rogan handle the podcasting. Okay. How's that worked out?

That's good. Yeah. I still shoot a bow. So you can't, you can only do one thing at a time? That was like on the first shit talkers, I think. Oh, yeah. I'm sure they hate to see that the views are just going up. Sorry.

Winning. Are we tired of winning yet? Hashtag. Or what do people do now? Yeah. Is that clapping? I don't know what this is. I think it's just to be, is it?

Oh, is it like little finger claps? I don't know. Like a world's tiniest violin. Yeah. Whatever. There's another comment that comes up quite a bit, and I don't get this one, but it's, why do people have such a problem with Bert's face in the intro? I think they think he's not an outlier.

Oh, okay. But I don't, I mean, he made his comedies, whether you love it or hate it, he made like 30 million last year. from his tour? I have to do some math, but is that above average? Would that be like an outlier status? Well, inflation, you know. Oh, right.

It's not really. So like, so say 30 million, 15 million goes straight to Israel. So that's cool. We can fund everything they do, which is fun. I like that. Fun funding. Talk about a fun bunch. Israel.

Oh, man. They're the best, aren't they? Man. Yeah. Other comments, things I've gotten called, bird chest butt plug, Gideon, Gideon, Gideon, Gideon, Gideon, and Cam's little sidekick. Okay. Those are all good. No Robin and Batman, which is really disappointing.

Yeah. No Thelmael-Luiz. Yeah. I mean, no Jacqueline Hyde. No Sundance and the kid. No. no Leo and Margo no wide urban dog holiday from Wolf of Wall Street yeah so I mean we got some more tandem we can hit yeah um someone wanted to know if they if you think that this podcast a shit

talker specifically has made the shit talking that people do on your comments or the comments on worse. Do you think it gives people like the liberty to just talk shit? I don't know, but here's what I do know. Most people aren't even smarter enough to talk shit. So they just sound retarded. And I don't know that it's shit talking. It's just like I think they're they might think in their head they're trying to talk shit, but they're so goddamn dumb. It doesn't make sense or it's not funny. So I don't know. I don't know because I mean, I'm just basing this. I did a post yesterday, middle of the day, sunny as shit. I said, here's my morning routine. This is 3.30 in the morning. I thought, because it was bright

sunny and my TV was in the background that said 8.44 a.m. I thought, who would think that I was actually trying to convince people that this was actually 3.30 a.m. Most people tried to call me out on it that why lie it's like oh my god you guys are retards you got to be pretty dense i mean it doesn't even it's not even like it's so obvious it's sunny where's the sun out at 3 30 how do you not just walk out in traffic i don't i don't understand if you're that dumb how you survive a regular day so anyway point back to and it's all love too yeah all right it's all i mean guys you guys you guys you know you know come on you know come on let's just a little hug it out no i think just some so that was kind of a harsh take i think sometimes i just chuckle to

myself. I just chuckled to myself and go, goodness gracious, these guys are, man, man, they're just so precious and cute. These little guys? Yeah, it's like my fault. I shouldn't have been so playful in the comment. I like to think maybe after they make a comment, they do one of these. Bird. Yeah. So I don't know if the shit talk. So I haven't, I'm all, I'm down for good shit talking. So if it increases and there's better shit talking, I'm like sick. Well, I like good shit talking. I get guys who message me and they're talking shit, but they always follow it up with, it's all love. That's how you know. That they're, they're in on it. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's funny. They're in the club. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I'm not, I'm not a po. The only people, well, I'm kind of irritated with political bullshit now. So if you're just want to argue about politics, I just will block you. I don't even give a fuck. I'm going to put up what I think. I don't care what you think. I don't care what you think. I'm not asking, hey, what do you think about this?

I'm putting up how I feel. I don't care if you feel the same or different. If you feel the same, great. If you feel different, great. You. Yeah. That's it. Yeah.

Go fuck yourself. Yeah. So other than that, I'm, good with anything. Well, someone wants to know. If we were athletic, what sport would we play? I would play ice skating. Because I like to see quins.

I think if I could have my little hot pant shorts from last night. Nice. And I had some rhinestones on them. Those are slap. If I were athletic, I would probably do ballet. Yeah? Or curling. Yeah.

Curling, I know. Well, actually, I'm not that flexible. I know. The guy who's down, I could do the mopping. I'm a guy who knows how to get down. Yeah, for sure. My boyfriend always tells me I should be more flexible. Well, there you go.

So maybe you're destined to be a curler. Two more comments. one, people wanted a tattoo tour. But you have a hoodie on. Yeah. So. Of me? Yeah.

Oh, no one wants to know about mine. Oh, no. But I need a, I need that neck tat. Yeah. You need to do that. I don't know what I'm, I don't know what I'm going to have. Maybe big cock and balls right here. Good old cock and balls.

Just kind of mix it up. Yeah. Oh, should play with your cock and balls for me. That's an Adam Sandler bit. Do you ever hear that? I do. His grandma, you'd tell him to play with his cock and balls.

Was that from Essend? No, not SNL. It was the old CD. Oh, really? Yeah. It's like just classic comedy CD.

Can we be fans of Adam Sandler anymore? I heard him talking about pizza quite a bit. Really? Yeah. Everyone. I know. It's everyone, except I guess us.

I don't know. Well, and that leads us. to the last comment, which is people want to know why we're such liberals. Yeah. You know, I don't even know. I saw somebody like commenting today something about, uh, Republican and Democrat. I'm like, what?

Do people still talk about that shit? They're exactly the same. There is no Republican and Democrat. What, what, where did you guys stop listening? Because I feel like multiple times we've said it's not about left versus right anymore. I mean, so. people just go back to the Fox News, Sean Hannity IQ of like five and just listen to whatever he says and talk about how great Trump is and how amazing the war is. It's just like, okay. Yeah, well,

speaking of political, I know how much you guys love politics. Yeah, I have a new conspiracy theory, and this is for our women listeners. We're not going to talk about politics today, by the way. But if we do, it's all love. Right. And it's not politics. No, it's not. Anyways. It's just conversation.

Yeah. So I got down the rabbit hole. And I don't know why this piqued my interest as a guy, you know, I don't take birth control that often. But why is it called a rabbit hole? I've never actually seen a rabbit go down a hole. Well, yeah, but even if they do they, do they, are there tunnels all over down? there? There must be.

Because everybody says that. I'm like, what do we know about rabbit holes? Yeah. Can we get some confirmation on rabbit holes? Anyway, that's a tangent. So back when like women's suffrage and women's rights became a big, big deal, feminist movement started, so did the invention of modern birth control. So this conspiracy is, well, let's break up the nuclear family.

Yeah. Let's give women the idea that, you know, to empower themselves, they should be sleeping with a lot of men. Okay, well, you don't want to get, you know, pregnant, so take birth control. Well, what's a billion dollar industry? Birth control. What also gives you a ton of problems later in life because you're on birth control for 10 or 15 years, you become infertile. So then you have, you know, low birth rates. You have reproductive problems.

and then you get all these things that aren't covered for women, and that creates, okay, well, now you need to take these meds. And that is a big industry. And I'm like, meanwhile, you have the women focused on this idea that they're victims or that they don't have. They're repressed. Yeah. And so they're focused on that.

But then when you really think about it, all these things they're fighting for, what's changed? Nothing. Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's like the original COVID. because they said, oh, take the vaccine. We're going to make a bunch of money off the vaccine.

It's going to cause you all this illness down the road. You're probably going to die, but you're going to be relying on the health care system. So was birth control the original COVID to make people, you know, encumbered by the big pharma and pharmaceuticals and like up your health, so you're always back in the doctor. Shit's going wrong.

You know, your hormones are off. It's obviously unresolved. unnatural to take a birth control pill. That's not how we're designed. The other thing, too, is like in sex ed, we're taught like, oh, if you have unprotected sex, you're going to get pregnant. Well, realistically, women only ovulate five days out of the month. And the rest of the time, it is a zero percent chance.

Granted, as somebody who has benefited from the old pump and dump, you know, you have to cut that. Well, maybe not. Sorry, Macy. Anyways, I just, I started going down that gopher hole. I don't know. I don't know what hole. Let's see.

Ant hole. I know. I was just like an ant farm. We used to have those where you'd see like those f***ers would go everywhere. Why isn't it like, let's not to go down an ant hole. Ant farm hole. Okay. This is the motion to change it to ant farm hole.

A-F-H. It just makes more sense. I just don't know about the rat. I just don't get the rabbit hole. I don't either. And maybe if we had like, yeah, we just need to have, yeah. Who was that the science guy? Bill, Bill Nye.

Bill Nye. Yeah, maybe we need an episode on this. I think so. What was I talking about Bill Nye last night? Well, I hope he's not in the files. That is weird. What, Bill Nye? Yeah, we both.

In the last two days, I never even have thought of him in years. I know, me either. That is, what? We're in a simulation. You were really talking about Bill Knight last night. Yeah, with Eric. We're talking about Bill Nine. I can't remember what about.

Something about. Probably if you were with Eric, it was like, man, I like to suck Bill Nines' dick. Just based it on what you guys were probably up to. Is that what it was? Do you think Bill Nine likes it like this? Here, let me show you. I'm kneading your balls. He loves this.

Bill loves it when I tickle it like this. Yeah. Oh, man. You know the science guy? He's a freak, baby. God, Bill gets down. I don't know if you knew that. But yeah.

So anyway. Maybe we can have Bill on the podcast. That would be awesome. Yeah. We can hear about all this freaky shit. Well, speaking of Eric, he did listen to the last episode. I think we might have called him a bridge troll, and I said he's about five foot one and borderline obese. I said, is he shorter than me?

And you said yes. Yeah, which I don't know if that's true. Okay. Whatever. But I'm back to give him his flowers because not only did he run a faster mile than me, but he also put up $2.25. twice. Have you done it twice? Well.

You did 230. You and your weird... I'm telling you, I got to take it. The smallest weights possible, I will add on. The most I did was 240 for one. 240? Yeah. What?

Nobody does 240. Same like 250. Okay, so you go. So you go. No, 185. So 135 warm up. 185, 225. You know you go from there?

270. Check this out. 225. Fives on both sides. Two and a halfs on both sides. It's 240, baby. We're right there. Who has two and a halfs?

West Coast. It takes me about 30 minutes to find them. I've got to go to the front desk, ask them for them. So is this like in competition just going for like, is this setting a world record? Yeah, and I had two slingshots on. And you had your ass as far up the bitch. Like how those girls like, yeah. And then it was like one inch?

I saw this, I need to do that. This lifting video of somebody who, you know what? I think it was, there was something wrong with her. I don't know what, what,

I'm not genre, but could have been like Paralympics or something. I don't know. Okay. Anyways, she unracked it and literally did two inches down, touched her chest, and then racked it again.

And everyone was like, yeah. What, you should do that. I know. Can you get your feet like up under your ass and like I like that like they do? And then maybe we need also, I guess we could get, oh shit, there you go. There's 225 on there right now.

You know how they do the wood block too on the chest? Yeah. So you can go even less. That's a good idea. Yeah. So I think you could get maybe like 242, 243 lift. Yeah. 242 and a half.

Yeah. Do you have 1.25s? And a feather on each side. And a little dab of spit. I got to start counting the collars. How much of those? And a rubber band. How much is rubber band?

Yeah, Taryn has a food scale on there. Oh, perfect. We can just weigh some rubber bands. Ten rubber bands on each side. I did 240.1. That's a PR.

PR's all day. P-R. You know? That's what they say. Yeah. You get, you go to 240, wait, what were we at, 241 and a half? Yeah. You go to 242?

Crush your neck, dude. You're out. I don't know about 242, but maybe we could go 241.75. Okay. First. Yeah, let's try that. Let's see how quick it bounces off. I like it.

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and try it for yourself. Get serious, get Hoyt, and keep hammering. All right, well, we got some races to talk about. you've been dogging the obscure local races that nobody enters. No, yeah. So I've been finding the smallest race as possible. It's like I went through this elementary school jogathon. Crushed them, dude.

Yeah, the I run for kids and everybody in the race was 12 and under. Yeah. Somebody said, those kids. Yeah, I pin that one. I'm not sure if that's what the race was. I think like the proceeds go back. to kids. But they did have an alpaca there.

So it was like a petting zoo. And a bouncy house. Yeah. No, it was big time. It was like UTMB. The thing about it, though, is I actually don't even care who the fucks there. But just going and having to run hard, like I said, is scary.

because it hurts. Yeah. Okay. So the first one, the I run for kids, sponsored by Jeffrey Epstein. Well, the first one is LA half. We talked about that, right? Or did we? Anyway, that one sucked.

I think we did. But I mean, it was a good cause. Yeah. How much did we raise? Was it 30 grand? Yeah, it was a lot. 30 grand for cancer. It was awesome.

Yeah. So that was cool. It was just pretty hot. down there. Got back up here. These races were definitely cooler, so better running. Like I said, I never know if I'm in shape. So just having the goal of running like under six minute miles for, I don't care how far for my old ass is hard. Yeah, the first one was 10 miles. That one was, you were hauling. Yeah. That, yeah. So for me to push for an hour at that pace, that's not, I mean, I got to be like, like, and it doesn't matter who's there, who's run.

I'm going to run. Yeah. Probably, I might run harder if somebody fast. I was hoping that guy who won last year, won in 56, he's fast, but he went up, he sent me a message because I said, I was hoping he was going to be there. And he ran up in Portland. He got, there's a big race up there, the Shamrock run, I think. And he got ninth in that. Is it 10K, like 32 minutes.

so he's fast but i was hoping he was going to be there he wasn't anyway like like said he did that other race but for me i'm like just want to you know push as hard as i can um kind of i don't know shit about running but you know just that the speed stuff tried to it's a different stimulus for the marathon training so just trying to mix it up get some yeah i was telling truth this the other day in in my marathon running past i'd never had run the pace i run in a marathon prior to the marathon so i i never did all the shit everybody's doing now this track and whatever i never ran probably faster than like a seven-minute mile on training and then expect to go run so that help yeah so i've just i've just been you know

stupid about preparing. So this year I'm trying to do more speed stuff, which is why I've been doing these races, which are obviously shorter than a marathon, get that leg turnover. And, you know, my body's kind of holding up. Yeah. I mean, you look good. Yesterday was the 10K. And I mean, I don't know, your stride looks good. Eric, I guess saw us. He was with his girlfriend driving by or something yelled. I didn't hear him. But it was like, Cam was hauling ass. Like, yeah. People love to I see your heart rate. People have been going crazy about that. One of the biggest things, like just in training, I know I get a lot of people are curious about the training, but for me is I used to, when I didn't have time to sleep because I had a full-time job, I used to just say, sleep. Yeah.

It doesn't do me any good to want more sleep. Right. I didn't have any time for sleep. I had to be at work 10 hours a day. I had to train. I had to have a family. So the only thing left to play with was a sleep time. So I just said, sleep, I'm not thinking about it.

I'll get four hours a night. And if you need more, I don't care. I don't do shit. I don't want to listen to Matthew Walker, the sleep doctor. So I just didn't have an option. So I kind of shit on the sleep part. But since I've been retired, I mean, and now I'm not, I used to take sleeping pills because I couldn't get to sleep.

So I haven't been taking those. just been getting like my sleep scores the other day was like 92. I've never had. So I'm sleeping. And then of course I'd obviously the sauna and cold punch and all that. But I've never felt healthier. And I've never felt like I've never actually done what you're supposed to do because I never had time. And so I gave up, you know, I had 30 years I was working, provide, you know, kind of provide for my family, raising kids.

shit goes by the wayside. My marathon time, who cares? I was just trying to get in shape for bow hunting. Well, now I have a little more time. I'm like, well, maybe I can see what my body can actually do when I do it right. Yeah. And that's where we're at right now. And it's the sleep part, the recovery part, the diet thing, you know, is down to 154 today.

So I'm like, eating pretty clean. And then, yeah, just being able to run hard and my body has responded. You mentioned the low heart rate. I can push pretty hard and I don't feel taxed. Yeah. I mean, you also have to take into account you're, you know, 200 years old. So your max heart rate is like five. Yeah.

So it's well, no, yeah, 200. So you take 220 minus 200. 20 is my max heart rate. You can get up to like maybe 90% before you go lactate. So what I could get up to what, 18? Yeah. 18 beats per minute? It's pretty good.

Yeah. And that's where I'm at usually. Yeah. Well, sleep score is good. I've never gotten in the 90s. I never had. I never noticed I had either, but. Well, you don't wear a watch usually.

No, yeah. So I've been wearing this thing again. And because otherwise I would never know. But yes, I don't know. So it's kind of exciting to think about what's possible. And also think about how good could I have been back in my buddies if I actually had time to train or was motivated. I do think like the watches are interesting because they spit out so many stats at you and you get kind of at least I do I get like fix data on the stats. Okay my sleep score was shit like I should feel like shit today and I'm like well You should also kind of go off of how you feel a little bit yeah I mean I'm a numbers guy yeah, I love

Obsessing data you know so I'm always looking at paces and putting in shit and like what could I do if I did this and so yeah that's just an whole other data like category now where yeah, I'm looking at it HRV. It's like 49 or 50. So I guess that's high. I'm looking at, I don't even know what. Yeah. All this shit. I know. I get obsessed about it. And I'm like, well, I mean, with the Eric thing, you know, I told you yesterday, it was like, okay, here I am. Eric runs once every couple months, lifts half-assed once a week. And I'm putting in all this work and I'm still worse than him. And, you know, it made me think was like, okay, before I've said, it's a little bit I got to put my money where my mouth is because I've said before, no one's going to come and make me more fit.

I can look at that and be like, well, why do I even try? Well, no one's going to come and say, oh, I'll do that for you. I'll make you more fit. No, you still have to show up. And eventually, hard work should beat the talent. You know, that's yet to be seen. But, you know, it's, you got to kind of look inward and be like, all right, well, maybe I'm not pushing as hard as I thought I was or, you know, it's just going to take a little more time. But it is kind of what it is at this point. Yeah, I mean, most coaches would take a workhorse person over a talented person. Yeah. Because you can't, if a talented person doesn't want to work, which is not going to happen.

Yeah. But if a workhorse, somebody who loves the journey, the training, all that, over time, they are going to get better. And I was out at Peska the other day. Oh, and they killed that coyote. What? They killed that coyote. Damn. What was the reason?

just too used to people? Yeah. Yeah. Someone had been tossing at meat sticks. That sucks. Yeah, so it's a, I love seeing Piscopete. That is his name. Oh.

Yeah. And he was cool. He looked awesome. Just sucks. I mean, also it's like he's supposed to be there. We're not supposed to. I mean, that's like nature. It probably was somebody who's not used to it and got scared and then, you know, too many reports came in and well, let's kill him.

Freaking homoes. Yeah. So what was I going to say? What was I talking about? You're up at Piscay. Oh, yeah, Piscay. And the Lane Community College track team or somebody was there, they were away on the backside doing hill repeat. So I just came by.

I was like, oh, the FBI called me again. is like some lady from the FBI just two days ago. But so I came by and the guy, the coach said, hey, are you Cam Haynes? I said, yeah. So we talked a little bit. He said he just did this master's competition. I think he won a silver medal or something.

It's kind of cool. But so he said, would you talk to the kids? And all I said, yeah. So they had watched, I think they watched Broken as a team. So they watched that film. And so he goes, this is a guy. We watched this film, remember? And anyway, what I told them is like, you know, back when I was their age, I wasn't, I told you

yesterday, like, I was a receiver and, you know, pretty good in football, but I never, I wasn't the fastest guy. So I was like, I was thinking I wasn't the most athletic, wasn't the most fastest. But I worked really hard. And but now, over time, now it's been since I was on high school, what's at 40 years now, you just stick with it. Yeah. And it is a long game.

But what else are you going to do? Yeah. And the other thing too is like, you know, if it like the other night, I'm like, okay, the last thing I want to do is get on the bike. I had to ride for an hour. And it's like, it kind of sounds corny, but your goal for me that it's the picnic is like the day that you're supposed to do it, the mountain or the lake or the bike ride does not care about how you feel today.

It's unchanging. It stayed the same before and it's going to stay the same forever. And it's like the excuses you have might sound good to you, but on the day you're supposed to do your goal is like, oh, you retired two months ago? Yeah. That doesn't matter. Not today.

No. It doesn't matter at all. So I'm like, okay, well, you got to get on the bike. Yeah. No, it's a, the people that, you know, I always say, there are certain people who we know who they are. We know their name. Like they've earned that name.

They're made it. They're an icon type status, an outlier maybe, as we talk about in undeniable or on this podcast. The only reason why we know that name is because they put in more work than everybody for a longer period of time. Yeah. That's it. It's just like you got to grind.

If you want to stand out, get to work. Yep. And don't quit. And don't make excuses. Nobody gives a shit. Yeah, yeah, it's true. I did kind of have a quote about that from Alan Watts. And this is kind of paraphrase, just the idea behind it.

But wanting a positive experience is a negative experience. Accepting negative experience is a positive experience. It's something Alan Watts referred to as the backwards law. The idea that the more you pursue feeling better all the time, the less satisfied you become, as pursuing something only reinforces the fact that you lack it in the first place. the more you desperately want to be rich, the more poor and unworthy you feel, regardless of how money you actually, how much money you actually make. The more desperately you want to be sexy and desired, the uglier you come to see yourself,

regardless of your actual physical appearance. The more you desperately want to be happy and loved, the lonelier and more afraid you become, regardless of those who surround you. The more you want to be spiritually enlightened, the more self-centered and shallow you become in trying to get there. And it kind of reminded me of like, to me at least I interpret this as being okay doing the hard shit uh suffering and and actually coming to enjoy that and for me it reminded me of like you know we've talked about it before as being the weakest link is like yeah you could look at that

and be like all right this isn't this isn't for me you know i'm i suck at this but if you come to enjoy it and realize that that's making you better at least for me i start to enjoy it more it's like okay i can do this i can i can suck at this but i'll incrementally see the progress because I show up every time that I need to, you know? So I read that yesterday, I think, and thought that was a pretty good, what do you call it? Yeah. It's encapsulates kind of what we talk about, what kind of our, how we like to carry ourselves is like instead of shine away from the pain and the work and the suffering, you know, lean into it.

And then, yeah, that gets you, that actually gets you what you want, you know. Exactly. You focus on what you want, the reward. Yeah, you're miserable. Which, I don't know. I mean, I struggle with that too is like, I think the self-image thing, like I, when it comes down to it, I pretty much hate myself. So everything I do, I'm like, well, you suck at this. You know, you're not good at it. Which I think there's an aspect of that that's good because it pushes you to be better. But if you let it envelop yourself, then it's, then it's a negative. Well, but do you hate yourself? Because you put up a lot of, photos and training. So it's like maybe we say things like that, but maybe we don't really. So would the posting of the training be indicative of me loving myself? I don't know. Because I think other people will love me?

I don't, I don't know. I'm not, I forgot my psychology hat today. Oh, okay. But I think there's something, and there's nothing wrong with this. I think there's something appealing to, or like, can you be appealing to yourself? But I think that you like that you have a goal. You're working hard towards it and you're chronicling it. Well, that's what you do.

You tell stories. So I think you like that part of it. I think. And that's okay. I think the more realistic thing behind it, if I really was like, okay, this is, this is the raw and honest truth would be maybe I don't like myself or I do think that I'm bad at this or I'm failing. And the validation I get from people seeing it, liking or commenting, gives me a little boost. Maybe. You know? Well, that's the whole point to social media.

Exactly. So maybe it is like I'm, I'm, that outside validation, you know, makes me feel good every now and then or, you know, when it comes through, which is definitely not a great thing. it's okay as long as you don't let the criticism you know devastate you because you can't you know as i've said this many times but you can't live for the acceptance because you die by their criticism you know what i mean that's good so either one of them they're both useful in in different ways but they can't be everything yeah what i what i like about you and your journey and what you're doing is I want to see we know where you're at now and where you started I want to see like in five years if you stick with it I bet it's going to be you'd be like I can't look at where I started

you guys believe this and then in five years when you put in five years of work dude who knows that you're going to be capable of yeah I mean but that's that's a good point too is like you know and I'm guilty of this I see people who post now and it's like well you haven't accomplished much And but I do believe there's something to be said about chronicling where you started from. I think it makes it more accessible. You know, you've had decades of work. And so people, I think, are quick to hate because they maybe weren't familiar with you when you were putting in, you know, the work in the beginning. So I don't know.

There's part of it there too that I'm like, well, I think for me at least, it's like, okay, you go run and maybe it's a slow pace. And I'm like, well, I don't want people to see this. but it's like, you know. That's the way. Yeah. This way it goes, dude. Yeah. I mean, those are the best stories.

Yeah. So like when you, when I, when I see a documentary, I like the old stuff where they look like they're nothing. Yeah. Where they look like you. Yeah. No. Exactly.

No, but you, everybody loves a come up. Whereas like Jordan's out there, can't make a basket or gets cut. You know, probably didn't even get cut. Probably it's some bullshit story. But probably Epstein came up with this one. Bread and circus. Yeah.

But everybody likes to come up, especially when they turn into a goat. You know what I mean? So it's like, I think it's cool. And what happened, the problem is, most people like, okay, yeah, this come up is going to be amazing. And then they quit. Yeah. And then they have to start back over. They go back.

Then they start over, then they quit again. And they're like, then they're always just right here back and forth. Well, there's definitely people who do that on purpose. Yeah. Engagement. Like, I don't know. But eventually you've got to win or people just are going to be like, okay. I know.

And I think some people do that. And it's like there's this, it's kind of like a trend to be like, it's okay to fail. Yeah. This is part of the journey. And it's like, okay, well, you can't do that 10 times. You know, it's not. It doesn't have to be a part of the journey. No.

But I do think it's interesting. You bring up the Michael Jordan thing because is it a necessary evil? you have people like Michael Jordan, but then you have people that are like, hey, this is not your thing, it's time to hang it up. You know, specifically, I think basketball is like, okay, you got these semi-pro teams

and these guys who are like 29, 30 years old, and they're still chasing this dream of being a professional athlete, and it's like, maybe this isn't for you, but who are we to be the gatekeepers? So in my mind, I'm thinking, you have to have those people to have the Michael Jordans.

Because if you say that they can't try, then no one can try. and then you don't have Michael Jordan. Right. Right? Yeah. I don't know. I think that's, you know, I think the same thing with like gym influencers.

Everybody has a camera and records their workouts and wants to be the next personality. And it's like, dude, you have no personality, put the camera away. But if you. They can say the same thing about you. 100%. Yeah. 100%. And then, you know, and if you benefit off of a gym influencer who has knowledge, it's like, well,

then you kind of have to have the necessary evils. Yeah. And it might not be evils, but it's just benchmarks along the way. Yeah. Because I was, when you talked about that Jordan basketball, I just looked at it as like, I was in my head, I envisioned like a marathon, a huge, huge group of people in this marathon crowd. You got the elites out here. You got the people who are just going to beat the cutoff back here.

They're all heading the same way doing the same thing. Right. To have the elites, you have to have these. to have these guys, you have to have the elites. Because then everybody has their own benchmark along the way. And running is kind of like a thing where you talk about the semi-pro or the men's leagues thing where everybody in this group, these people back here, they know they're not going to beat this person.

But they're like, they want to be right here. They want to be just a little bit for there. If they're like a 330 marathoner, they want to break three hours and maybe qualify for Boston. That's an hour from these people. But they're still winning. Right. They still feel good. Yeah.

They're still inspiring their family. So you don't have to be elite. Right. I mean, that's what I was thinking when you were saying that. That's a good analogy. Yeah. Anyways, I thought that was kind of interesting thing. That's all I have, except for the BB Netanyahu being alive.

Oh, man. But I didn't want to get too political because. I know. Political podcast. Well, why don't you start your own podcast? Yeah. I haven't seen it. Start your own podcast.

and then shut the fuck. That is something we need to bring back is nobody cares. Shut the fuck up. That was my best. That would have been a great shirt. Yeah. Yeah. Probably take 10 months to get a design that you like.

And probably would never get one. Yeah. Yeah. We got some new merch. This, I know. The hat last night, I saw a lot of comments on that. People like that hat.

Yeah. I do like that hat. That was sick. That popped pretty good. Yeah. I might have added a little. Oh. A little extra pop.

Have you noticed? I haven't been filtering your stuff. I didn't notice that. Because you must be, or whatever. My whole thing, like on a phone, it just needs to be rich to pop. Most people have their screen brightness down. If you have a muted photo and the screen brightness down and they're in the sun, so I always like the vibrant stuff just because, you know, it's just going to hit more.

Yeah, I've been adding a little more. I looked at your edits and said, okay, how can I get cold? closer to these. No, it's all good. Yeah, so next up, we got Truth's coming,

Pauley Shore's coming. Who else? Oh, Mountain Ops, I think next week. Yeah. When is Mountain Ops here? I think Thursday.

Nice. Yeah. When did you get back? Monday evening. Okay. Yeah. Oh, just a weekend, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Good. Yeah, I gotta, we'll see what I gotta do. I could get some miles in, I know that. You gotta get some miles in today. I know. So do I. Doing a long, really? How many are you doing?

Just 10. How's the training going? It's good. I've been running in knees, and I think it's me up. So. Those aren't carbon, are they? No, but they have a really narrow toe box. Oh.

And ever since I've been wearing them, my knee is just, And then I went back to Speedlands yesterday and it was like, no pain. So whatever. Yeah. It is what it is. But it's been good. I swam one and a half miles nonstop the other day just to see if I could do the distance. And it was fine.

It just takes forever. Yeah. I mean, swimming is so boring. Do you know triathlon at all? I mean, do you know the athletes? Kind of, yeah. Do you know that Lionel? Is it Samuel?

Lionel? I think it's Lionel somebody. Just a freak. The guy who's done hundreds of them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But have you watched his training?

Uh-uh. Is it nuts? Dude, if you... This guy, well, in triathlon, I mean, three disciplines every day, basically. It was what he does. I don't know what other people do,

but he'll get up and, you know, go on a first run of the day, just kind of a warm-up, whatever. Right. I don't know how many, probably eight miles. Yeah. Come back, eat. Eight before that.

That didn't really count. Then go to the pool. He swam four and a half K, ran again, biked for hours, something like that. And it's just like all day and ate, I think, 7,000 calories. But just, because, McDonald's, dairy, he doesn't give a Oh really?

But when you're just doing and he is shredded and then he was like doing three times 5K so he did three 5Ks all of them were like in the 16 minute range

with a little like a couple minutes in between and this is like so when you talk about hey I want to be an elite triathlet you sure no no you sure

about that? Because here's what it takes. I mean, watch some of his training stuff. Yeah, I'm going to have to. He's a machine, dude. I don't know. The whole triathlon thing, I'm not, with big groups, not really interested in.

I don't want to be around that many people. If you know me at all, I'm like, I've always like doing things on my own away from people. So I'll stick to the mountain stuff for now. But, yeah, I don't think I'd like, I mean, yeah, I like, I like, I have.

hate seeing anybody out when I'm out. I did do a bike ride. I rode for an hour and then got off and ran a mile the other day. And it is an interesting feeling coming off your bike and going for a run. Dude, there was this guy. Do you ever remember a guy named Chris McCormick? Yeah. Yeah.

So he could get off the bike and run like a 240-something marathon. So after 112 miles on a bike? That is so fucked. You're going to run a 240-something marathon? You got to be... Because he was under armor when I was. I don't even know what kind of shape that is. It's unreal.

But I just love when I watch these videos and I see people working and sweating and just like grinding, grinding, grinding, grinding, grind. It's like, it's so motivating. Yeah. I love it. I watch this little BPN had this little, just a two-minute running clip showing people around the track just sweating and necklaces dancing around and girls just shredded to and just like getting after it.

just, you know, obviously look like kind of models. And you're just like, you watch these people work so hard and like just gas and laying on the track. I love it. Yeah. Dude, that's life. Yeah. Definitely. Working your ass off, just pushing your body. It's, uh, yeah, I don't know. I'm, I don't know, hopefully we can have some good races this summer and have some good performances. But, uh, yeah. Yeah. You keep the wheels on for Eugene. Yeah I'll fuck something up by then There's no way I can make good decisions

For how long is it Or when more than a month March 18th Month and week and a half There's no way I can make a good decision For six weeks I hope so because I really want to see what you can do I think probably shit the bed

Get like 320 Yeah your pace is only good out to half marathon Yeah I did that's I need to get that long stronger strength. I mean, I've done some long runs with Andy and Rachel and things like that, but I need to get more of faster towards at 20 mile, like it from, say, 15 to 20, like pushing at marathon pace. Just get built up that speed and strength at that critical time. I mean, last night would have been fast if I didn't you up. Whatever. Yeah. I mean, that was the only mile. But also I think on that mile too was.

like I didn't know where to go on the transition. When I finished, I had to like go over the finish line and then come back out of it. Then like didn't know which way to go. And then also when when you said, no, this way that. So those those are that same mile. Yeah. Just so everyone knows, you came to a standstill on both of those for multiple seconds, wondering what the fuck you're supposed to do.

And it doesn't, when you're running hard, you don't have to dick around standing to fuck up your pace. Also, once you do come to a standstill, getting back to that pace, It sucks. It did. Yeah. And then also on my first, it was sort of warm to start off. So I just wanted some, I poured some water on my head, I think.

And so the first thing was like by the dog park was I tried to grab it, knocked over, had to go back to the table, get it. So that, and I was running with that girl who she wants to make the Olympic trials. She was like, I did all that. She was like 100 yards ahead of me. I'm like, so I'm just like, catch up with her. Get back out there. But yeah, when you're running fast,

it doesn't take much to screw up your pace. I wouldn't know because I've never run fast, but I assume. Well, I, well, also I'm not. Well,

compared to fast people, I'm not fast either. I've biked next to you. So I do know fast. I heard you breathing on there. So that was like a little workout for you too. Yeah, I was,

I was drenched in sweat. It was the hardest thing I had done in years. Is it third hardest thing? Third hardest thing. I've been done. All right. Well, Yeah, that's the little shit talkers.

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