Cameron Hanes - Keep Hammering Collective - KHC 195 - Sh*t Talkers Weekly 28

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

Join us for a new Sh*t Talkers Weekly podcast episode with Cam and James. They’ll be discussing performance enhancing drugs, USADA race requirements, Satisfy’s Circle Pit, and more. Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com 00:00:00 – Sh*t Talkers Disclaimers 00:05:27 – Using Peptides to Heal Cam’s Broken Foot 00:11:44 – Performance Enhancing Drugs 00:17:43 – Fair Sport Official USADA Requirements 00:26:37 – Freedom of Running When You're Not Racing 00:34:44 – James New Running PR 00:35:38 – The Dark Wizard Documentary Ending 00:39:13 – White Colonialism 00:41:50 – Hybrid Athletes vs Skinny Runners Competing in Races 00:49:12 – Satisfy: The Circle Pit 00:51:43 – Men’s Running Shoe Colors 00:53:07 – Drake’s New Album 00:53:34 – Tulsi Gabbard’s Resignation 00:54:50 – McGregor vs Holloway Predictions 00:58:42 – Upcoming Bear Hunt in Canada Thank you to our sponsors: Good Ranchers: https://www.goodranchers.com/ use code CAMERON for $25 off your first order Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your order Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off

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This is, is this 27, 28? we still have fucked us up. 29. 29. I think so. I don't know. Macy said we were wrong, then we canceled one. Anyway, all I know is the last couple episodes,

what are you checking? I just want to have this so that I can see it. Oh, the last couple episodes sucked. Yeah, we got called lazy. I guess what kind of sucks is having people that enjoy a podcast is you actually have to make a good one every time. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's a problem. I'm getting ready to piss hot real. Oh, quick. Oh, yeah. Put this in your pipe and smoke.

That reminds. Yeah, I don't know how I know how to do that, except movies. Careful. Movies. With the glass. I've just watched a lot of documentaries. Yeah. And my mom showed me. She showed everybody a thing or two. How to smoke a pipe. Holy shit. So this is Shet Talker Weekly. We don't know which one. Maybe it's it's less than 30. Yeah, but that's on brand. We're glad you're here. We're glad and we don't give a fuck. So but careful. First of all, I need to, I need to put out a disclaimer for, um, I had a. episode where god what do i have oh i don't i thought i had glasses on here i had an episode where i was a complete fucking pussy oh and macy i don't want this one edited we've been cutting out of f words

people hate it fuck it leave them um let's go but anyway so i was a complete pussy and uh i guess i'm going to blame it on the um concussion because i read that that can happen so instead of me just saying, no, I am a pussy. I'll just say, no, concussion symptoms. I mean, come on. I'm a victim. Well, that's up. Oh, we are so back, baby. That's on my list because I wanted to know how you feel being the face of vulnerability now. Yeah, like a fucking h-h-and-speaking. That's my job. Can you say, yeah. Did Max get sort of get canceled for saying, did you see this? No. God. Did Max say, Yeah, you can't say that. Well, I would never say.

Except when it's all love, like on shit talkers weekly. You know what? Actually, that is a disclaimer. All love, baby. And I think we need to add another disclaimer. And that is that, well, we've said this before, but people don't listen. Anything we say on this podcast can't be held against us as truth. Right.

Exactly. So this is, I mean. This is theatrical. Do you get mad at Star Wars? because like it's not real this is this isn't real this is entertainment baby exactly the whole thing

every word is scripted it's non- wait no it's fiction it's fiction this is 100% fiction yeah so what a fucking what a week what a what a couple weeks

god where should we jump in anyway I'm feeling better, so don't worry. Probably no tears on this one. Damn. God, it's so embarrassing. I still don't think it's embarrassing, but I think it helped a lot of people.

I guess. I'll say this. The other shit talkers episodes, I have never once gotten one message about how it really touched somebody. And I got a bunch. Yeah. I mean, it's, okay. Then we go from that whole explain the race or whatever to getting canceled. Yeah.

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I always wanted to be a runner. I've never been good, but like running, the running people never really talked about me until this week. So it's like fucking sweet. And it was all negative. I'm still not like a known or respected runner, but I'm a piece of shit.

Now you're known. just not respected yeah so is me and me and lance armstrong are pretty much arm and arm it feels like but uh yeah so people so like some people probably don't know but uh i'll just catch everybody up to speed real quick um so yeah i'm yeah i'll just go back to the beginning 2024 i was running in auburn california sockony road shoes on heart heart attack cardiac fucking heartbreak ridge some trail in it's right by the american river no hands bridge western states whatever course anyway stepped on a rock in these road shoes snapped my foot right and i knew it i heard it right when it happened the problem was our Airbnb was like i don't know

miles i think it was seven long what so i had to make it all the way back to where we were staying. I was filming a movie down there and, you know, made it seven miles with that fucked up foot and told you and it wasn't... Came in and it was already purple and swollen. Yeah, it was not good. So anyway, that's where this whole saga, saga, whatever started. And I didn't even go to the doctor for a while. I just thought, whatever, hate going to the doctor, so didn't. Finally, after about three weeks, I think, I didn't, I can't remember. I can't remember. fucking fact check me on everything I say. Lyer.

Probably. Finally went in, X-ray, yeah, broke. Pretty significant break. And the big part for me was great surgeon. I think I talked about this last time, too, and the fucking crying games or whatever that was. Anyway, he's going to be two surgeries. No guarantee, because something like

the piece of bone that broke, if it wasn't big enough to reattach to the bone, then they're going to have to cut that piece of bone out and try to attach the ligament. I'm pretty sure it was, fuck, to the bone, but that doesn't adhere. I just went through the same thing with this thumb,

but the piece of bone in the thumb was big enough. So anyway, they didn't know, or Jackson didn't know if that piece of bone was going to be big enough. So there could have been a chance trying to attach a ligament. Anyway, that's not how your foot is, it's going to change the mechanics of my foot.

So I'm like, okay, fuck. maybe I can just power through this shit. And that took a long, long time. But I never got surgery. And it was going to be two surgeries with no guarantees it's going to work. Running is my whole mental health outlook. This is like I don't go to,

I should go talk to probably every psychotherapist in the world, but I don't say I just go running a lot. And talk on shit talkers. And talk on shit talkers. Yeah. So anyway, took fucking forever. And it was hurting.

It was like limp, limp, limp, limp. But whatever, it wasn't surgery. So back in 24, when that happened, that happened in June. And then just, if you could, you don't have to read like the beginning and the end. Just read from right, Mr. Haynes. Just for fun, but just for context. Mr. Haynes was initially evaluated in our clinic on July 5th, 2024, and subsequently returned for follow-up care in treatment on November 21, 2024.

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intervention where possible. Yeah. So anyway, when was that? That was November 21st, 2000, 24. So there that right there and I didn't I mean I'll be honest I didn't real I didn't um what was I going to say I do want to apologize for not giving people a trigger warning with BPC 157 so it's a peptide this is like I don't even know I can't even anyway if you're going to the Olympics you can't can't take BPC, one five, seven, apparently. And you did compete in the 2024 Olympic Games? No, I did in 24. Okay, no.

So that's why I could, I was hurt. Right. Anyway, so to be honest, when I made a comment that caused this whole shit storm, I didn't even know, I knew I'd tried the BPC before at this is a clinic. Everything I do is through a doctor, through like, professional.

I don't I'm not in the fucking back alley doing shit right I just want to be healthy So I'm doing whatever I can to be healthy I'm you know I'm not gonna Sam old we've talked we've covered that a lot but I do want to build a run yeah this is not Did that say EPO or did that say this is not written by you by the way This is an official official letter from your doctor is a this it's a letter um so anyway somebody because again BPC if you're going to the Olympics or whatever is you can't it's on a banned substance list I think but what is also on that list is Sudafed marijuana yeah THC you know I just don't

even look at the list I mean it's just like I've never I just the other day went and looked on what you can take and I can even I can make sense of some of it, but whatever. It fucking has nothing to do with me. So, fast forward to, oh, Eugene Marathon, ran a good time, right?

So caused some controversy, apparently, because I had said in a little Instagram back and forth that I had used BPC and I just said I'd used it. I thought it was like, even like last, or that crying fucking games podcast, I think,

I think months ago, or I said when my foot was broken. I couldn't remember when or whatever. But it turns out it was, you know, in 24. So whatever the case, I go and I run this good race and it caused, you know, one person to lose their shit. A certain individual. Yeah, a friend of the show. And a friend of the show.

Hillary Clinton. Yeah, a friend of the show thought that, you know, that, you know, that, I mean, okay, here's another thing. So my time was very fast for my age. It's 239-11. Fine. This is a local marathon I've run.

I don't know how many times. But if I had to say, I figured I was going to get my best time in this marathon because I'm feeling fucking good, right? Finally, this is the first time in my entire life. And so it's like people would say, oh, well, he said in this comment, he used this thing that you can't use, and it's a powerful PED, is what friend of the show said. But also says that it's unsafe because it's never been tested on

humans. So then I'm like, well, how would we know it's powerful? How do we know? Maybe it's hurtful. Yeah. Maybe it doesn't help. If it's unsafe. Hasn't been tested. So if it hasn't been tested, how can you say it's a powerful PED? Point is, it's a fucking peptide okay it's not a fucking powerful p-ed if you're trying to create some fake narrative you can say whatever you want um so anyway somebody said you know because i had and here's another thing if you ever are asked have you ever taken anything that's not on the you saw a list or wada list never say i don't know because that's what i said because i was telling the truth and say well i have taken done stem cell and bpc so so whatever you do don't tell the truth because

when you tell the truth, you're fucking canceled, right? I mean, they're coming with pitchforks and they're going to fucking hang you at the steak or tie you up to burn you at the stake, hang you from a tree, whatever the fuck. I just told the truth because I fucking have nothing to hide. I don't give a shit. I'm a fucking bow owner who runs to get in shape for the mountains. I'm sorry I ran a fast fucking time. I don't, what do you want me to do about it?

If you were a coach, which friend of the show is, you would think, that they would be like, well, wait a second, what's changed between his last 250 marathons and then this one? Well, retired, getting, you know, plenty, never got sleep. I think these elites, they kind of forget

sometimes that, yeah, they go and do their double threshold things at the track, maybe it's three or four hours a day. That's a lot of work. It is. But don't think that I didn't put in work over all those years when I was raising a fucking family at work

10 hours a day. going to sports and doing shit. Also, I was an editor of fucking Eastmans when my kids were small. So I had to get out. And I still, on many days, would run a marathon a day or at least 20 miles a day

for no fucking reason other than I loved to push myself and loved running. So these elites want to talk about all their fucking hard work and sacrifice. Okay, bitch. Get a full-time job. Raise some fucking kids. Get on that fucking train.

do all your bullshit for nothing because I was getting nothing for that. So I did it for the love of the fucking game. Anyway, I would, I remember I would run in the morning, run at lunch, run at night, edit, you know, go to their practice, edit sometimes during basketball practice, be up until midnight. If I was going to do a marathon, I had to start at 245. So I have two hours and 45 minutes to sleep. So you're wondering, oh, why didn't you run your best marathon during that time?

You fucking dumb bitch. What do you think? I fucking was getting two to three hours of sleep in night. Holy shit. So what's changed? Oh, sleep, recovery. Fucking, yeah, supplements for sure. Just being healthy in general.

Well, I think, too, they forget that's their job is to run. And so their improvements are a lot more, they're microscopic in comparison. And as you get down in time, obviously your return on investment is going to be smaller. But you had tons of room to improve. Never, I don't know shit about running. I fucking go run. That's it. Exactly.

And then on top of that intentional miles, speed work. Yeah. I mean, so a running fucking coach would know, oh, wow, that's a huge change. You were barely tapping into your full potential. Yeah. No wonder you're only at 250. And I hate to break it to you, fuckers. I think I can go faster.

Uh-oh. I don't know. So, sorry. Sorry. But point is, it's like this whole BPC thing from 2024 came up and it was like, it was like I was, you know, blasting EPO or whatever the fuck to. And I don't even, I say that. I don't even know what the fuck that is. But I know, you know, you talk about Lance or blood transfusions or EPO. It's like, okay, that's if you want to lump me in like that, you're fucking nuts. But anyway, so it came up. And, um, so it came up. And, Apparently, friend of the show says, that's a ban for if you're going to the fucking Olympics and you can't do that. And it's also bad if you're doing something, you know, I will say, if you do, if you're currently doing it and you're running like a race that requires this right here, which I have never, I'll just tell you, I've never run a race that has like

official you, I'm not, I'm a fucking hobby jogger. I've never run a race that has all this shit right here. So this is what's required. if they're holding you to these like the usada or wada which is like the olympic you know it's it's it's for a fair sport which i want i definitely want that for the olympics um or for any world championship or whatever i get it i respect it i love fucking track i love watching them i love watching compete so much respect for everything um but i've never competed in anything that required this that i remember and i people can look up something maybe maybe maybe Boston Marathon back in 2014, but I don't remember.

Anyway, recently, I, well, I never remember even seeing anything like this. So the point is, if you're running in like a world championship or an official USATF sanctioned event, there is like drug testing things and you do have to go by the use solder Soder rules and it's fine. I respect and would honor that and that's amazing. I've never been part of that, but in any case, I had, as I said, I had used this peptide to try to avoid surgery, but it was in 24. So 17 months, you know, that date you said, 17 months before Eugene. So whatever. I mean, it's getting no benefit from a peptide 17 months. before. No. So, I mean, and the other thing is, too, like you said, Sudafed is on that list. So somebody wakes up the morning of their marathon and they have a cold and they take a little cough syrup. Yeah. You're a cheater. Doper. Doper. You're doper. That's, that's, that's, but I feel like this is a classic example of, uh, it's like a game of telephone. One person starts with the facts. Mm-hmm. Or what they think are the facts. And then it slowly, or, or it slowly, or,

over time gets manipulated in the comment sections, in the posts, until it's like, no, he's pinning BPC every day, every hour. It's been 17 months. Yeah. So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it does kind of take on a life of its own, but it's, it's, you know, I'm in the masses of this event, right? I'm not in the elite field. I never have been. I've never been a good runner. And people have reminded. And people have reminded. me of that my entire life. So why now am I too good of a runner? It's just, but yeah, if I'm back there with their, I just keep thinking about how am I different than, you know, what about the guy who it's his first marathon and maybe he's on TRT and somebody comes back there and they say, and I didn't know anything about this either. Now I've learned all about the shit, but there's a

therapeutic use exemption, a T-U-E. So if you need medication, there's some certain things that would test and you'd be ineligible or whatever, but you can get a therapeutic use exemption for it if you need it, like from your doctor, which again, everything I have, anything I use is through a doctor. But I think there's some things that wouldn't be approved or approved, but theoretically, TRT could be approved, right? So what if this guy, and this is like his first marathon and he's on TRT because he's been you know he's trying to get in shape he's going to finish in six hours and somebody comes and says hey do you got a you take TRT yeah oh do you have a TUE for it a what what fucking band you're out or you know um a diabetic you know a diabetic you know

maybe what if you there's some some woman there diabetic first marathon all excited and they come and say, hey, you diabetic, you take insulin? You got a T-U-E for that? What? It's like, okay, this, what are we doing? Oh, you, uh, or think about, fuck, I didn't even, there's a million different examples. And I think why that's important is because I've seen a lot of people who are anti you in this whole situation, and they've all said, rules or rules, you have to keep the sport clean. Okay. So what about all the people that stop at the Boston Marathon who are having fun and take a shot. Illegal.

Yeah. You're doper. Yeah. What about all the people that smoked weed? You're out. Dude, THC gummies at fucking Ultras for pain? So if you really believe that. If you really believe that, which in your comments, it seems like it because...

It's easy to be on a soapbox, dude. Exactly. But I'm just saying, you better treat everyone who breaks the rules the same because, like, Like you said, rules or rules, and you have to keep the sport clean. Yeah. So. Yeah. And even friend of the show said, oh, I don't necessarily agree with THC being on the list.

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I'm sympathetic of that. And I don't, you know, I'm, I don't know. I just, I've just been in the gin pop so long. I have no idea what the elites and all that shit, what they have to go through. But I do know that there's a lot of guys that, you know, just because it has this, a lot of these little races, they put up that USATF logo.

I don't, nobody knows what it means. Does it, is there obligations when that comes up? I don't know. It's like if you're gonna, you know, I mean, like on fucking Valentine's Day, they got a little fun runs. Yeah. You know,

if you take a dick pill because it's Valentine's Day and you're going to give your wife a president, but you're also going to run the fuck your Valentine's 5K the next morning. And they say, hey, have you taken a, you know,

a Viagra? Oh, fuck, you got a TUE for that? I don't even know if it's on. but I'm assuming it's on the list. Everything else must be. They call that the five inch five cat.

And it's just like, you know, it's, or they fucking smoke some pot the night before or whatever. It's like this is fucking, this isn't. And just so you know, weed stays in your system, THC stays in your system a lot longer than BPC 157. Yeah. So it's, yeah, I don't know. It's, it's, it turned in.

into a fucking shit show. Yeah, I did. I mean, but also it's like I knew, I kind of knew, I didn't know

it blew up this much, I guess, but I knew it just needed to be discussed, right? Yeah. And so, like I said,

if I have to be the bad guy, it's fine. I'm not, I mean, I love running. I don't necessarily love racing.

I love the test of racing, but I don't even, I'm not even competing with anybody. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't care if you beat me.

I don't, I'm just, I want to push myself. So, and people will say, oh, fuck, go run 26 miles on your own. It's like, yeah, I do. I do all that. And that's fine. And if that's, you know, it's like, friend of the show is like, I think he's trying to get me a lifetime ban. That's crazy. Lifetime.

And, I mean, so, who knows what? If, you know, Usada wants to make an example of me because I actually told the truth and I said, yes, I was willing to do anything to avoid getting two surgeries that were going to affect potentially me for the rest of my life. Yeah, I took a peptide for sure. I also bought a bone stimulator machine for $3,500. You know, I mean, I was trying fucking everything.

I was desperate to not, I don't want to lose my ability to run it. and feel free. And it's just like, so fucking, that's going to cost me the ability to sign up for race for the rest of my life.

If that's okay. Or I mean, if that's what people want or if that's what, I guess you Sada would decide, then fine. I did see people responded to that argument of like,

you know, you just wanted to run. Yeah. And they said, how is just wanting to run equal to a 239 marathon. Like you have plenty of minutes to give up if you really do just want to run.

Right, yeah. But, I mean, to that, I say, why not try and push yourself to get the best time? I mean, I feel like the freedom of running happens when you're not racing. Okay. Did I say that on that, like, pussy episode?

Because here's the truth. I didn't know. I was, concussion. Was it? Concussion. It's not me. But I, you know, when I say I'm hurt and, you know, it's mostly training because I can always turn it on for a race. But when it's, when I can't get in any training because I'm hurt, my foot's hurt, my hamstrings, whatever.

Like I've been hurt because I've been fucking depleted my entire life of pushing and not getting rest and all that. So I've been hurt a lot. I've never been, I haven't been healthy like I am right now. I don't even ever. Yeah. I do not remember ever feeling as good as I feel right now. So when I say like I just want to be able to run, it's like today. I want to be able to run today.

I can fucking ignore all sorts of pain in the heat of the moment in a race. So, but that race was, you know, I've never really had a good race because of all the things we've talked about. So that race actually went good and I felt good pretty much the whole time. And then Kokadona was going good for first time ever for the same reasons for all these these changes that I've had and people want to attribute it to, you know, a peptide in 2024 fine. If, you know, you saw it wants to say, yeah, you can never race again. I'm like, fuck. Okay. Whatever.

I guess. But again, like I said, if you're going to do that, then you got to go after everybody. Yeah, I'm not. Which they won't. I'm not worried about it. It's like, again, if it takes me to get this out and discussed and talked about, I can definitely handle the, we've got a lot of hate, a lot of criticism, and a lot from people who, fuck.

I mean, you figure out who's on your side. Yeah, that's true. I mean, when you don't get texts from people who usually text you because you're like in some kind of, like, what is this called, controversy or whatever. You definitely know who hits you up and who doesn't. And also he's like, God, there was one of my favorite photographers who's a badass.

He's talked a lot of shit. And I thought, I thought we were cool, but it's great. It's great finding out people's true colors. Yeah, I guess this is the best way to do it. I don't know. I don't know if it's a best way. Yeah. It's a way.

Well, it's the way to get the truth. Yes. Because, yeah, you're right. You find out who's in your corner actually and who's not. Yeah. Especially somebody you know because they could so easily reach out and ask questions. Yeah. And get the truth.

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I could have maybe explained it better or the problem is like when I made the comment is I didn't give a fuck. I don't. I don't. At that time, I didn't owe the friend of the show. Or I still don't. I didn't and don't owe the friend of the show any explanation.

No. I didn't have to say anything. I just said I was just being honest. Yeah. And honesty, fucking created a firestorm, but I think people are so used to others not being honest. Because what I've got since then, dude, do you know how many people have used peptides

to help their health? A lot. Holy shit. And no one will say it. But I did. So I'm the bad guy. I do also want to say using the FDA as our measure of what's good or bad for your body is absolutely fucking insane.

Come on. And if you want to argue with that, I mean, I'm going to get canceled, but you're, you know, that's crazy. Yeah. I mean, there's so much fucking poison the FDA has approved. Yeah. You know. How fun being a sheep.

And they don't want to prove shit that actually, you know, I mean, they want to control everything. So they can make money. So if they can't control it, which this peptide thing is kind of, I don't know. I don't know where it's at and then. I heard that BPC 157

is going to be made legal. It's just like whatever. They're getting it figured out or it's getting close like within the next week or two. But whatever. It's like FDA approval to me doesn't mean anything.

I mean, it doesn't mean anything. So I trust, you know, I trust people who I'm seeking care from that actually know me and will give me good advice on medical treatment. Yeah.

I don't trust the internet. No. Or some doctor that's, you know, just there to make money by selling you a bunch of prescriptions. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But yeah, so it's like, I don't know.

It might turn into another big shit show or maybe if friend of the show gets what he wants and I can never race again, maybe that'll be another big new cycle thing. But I don't know. In the meantime, it's all love baby it's all love well speaking of PRs this is going to get me I'm going to get you saw a knocking at my door but I p r this morning whoa so I pared my 10k kind of on accident

but it was like 730s I think average that's good so it's good for me I mean and I was running it like you know I wasn't gassed at the end so I think I mean who's to say but I could definitely pull a couple seconds off of that for sure but surprising that's like That's like when I said my fitness is improving, but I can't prove it. Wow. This time maybe I can prove it. Sometimes it takes a little time. Yeah, we'll see.

But yeah, so don't. That's good. I'm on every ban substance. Actually, what I did is I went to the list and just I started taking everything on it. You're free basing estrogen? Fucking estrogen, dude. I know. I got it coursing through my veins. Yeah.

But I don't think we talked about this in the last one, but speaking of free basing, I did finish the Dark Wizard. I know you and I talked about it, but... Yeah, well, we talked about it, but you hadn't seen the end. Yeah. Because you'd watched a few episodes, but then you thought he died some other way? Well, yeah, which was, it was Dan Osmond who fell off the rope swing. Oh, okay. Who was another huge climber. Uh, he's actually featured a couple times in the, um, uh, Masters of Rock films, like in that docu-series. He's on there. But, uh, yeah, the ending of the Dark Wizard was insane. Yeah, the race.

even coming up beside her was being there at his death after he had written what's incredible is he has it written for so many years and i mean he was kind of right he had dreamed about his death that's i mean i got chills watching the end it was yeah even if you're not a climber you should go you should go watch it yeah it's amazing yeah it's definitely an amazing documentary yeah um i know some people commented on the last week you posted a reel from that last one and there's definitely a bunch of Dean Potter fans out there. But I am glad they kind of resolved the whole Alex Honnold thing because during the series, he's definitely like this emotionally void. Yeah, asshole. Yeah. He kind of is. I mean, he definitely is on the spectrum and he doesn't feel fear.

But yeah, I think they didn't do justice to like that Dean Potter was Alex's hero. But they kind of wrapped it up. So that was good. Yeah. But I saw some, I saw some other quick, I can't remember if I talked about this. I was probably too busy crying. But, uh, where he said that they did 12 hours of interview with him. Mm-hmm.

With Alex and they only used like the inflammatory type controversial stuff. Imagine having to sit down for 12 hours for an interview. Yeah. You, that would fucking suck. So that's just, that's just media right there. But it's, that reminds me, um, Michael McElinos and Serio or whatever, name mcolino sunseri okay yeah he he he I shared this some weird article about fk t's did you see what I put up mm-hmm I god people are just trying to make like

fkTs are uh well anyway I put up I'll tell you what the article is but he he commented what did he say because I put up like they can make anything basically make anything racist, just controversial in whatever way. And so I shared this article and I tagged him and that other girl that we have coming on, Aaron Tone.

But he just says, journalism is just a fancy word for rage bait. So that's basically that's all it is now. I liked, he, the friend of the show had commented on something. And Michelino responded to it. And then the friend of the show said, are you clean, dude?

Oh, God. And McHolito said, I don't know, is meth on the list? But I like him. I've talked to him quite a bit. And I think I told you he's doing the, he's trying to do the FKT of the picnic the same day I am. Oh. So I think we're going to try and do like a little video together or something. So you're going to pace you?

I think he might be a little bit ahead of me. Just a little bit. Because of the meth. Yeah, exactly. He's on PEDs. fucking turn a man, dude. Yeah. Lifetime ban.

You're going to get banned. Michelin Linguini. Yeah. That was what I was going to say about the FKT. So this article said, yeah, I want to look, this is how ridiculous fucking, I guess is journalism.

I don't know what the fuck it is. It says, okay, the entire reason for being out of nature has been lost to an arbitrary, arbitrary bragging right that reeks of white colonialism and the notion that the

mounds in nature exist to be conquered by man. Holy shit. It's so fucking irritating. White colonialism? Buzzword. And that's like in some ski magazine, I think. But why?

Everything is fucking political, dude. That is an insane headline. that is it's just so anyway we're just living in this time where people say crazy stupid shit everybody reacts it blows up goes away then something else comes and it's just like based on who knows what i mean just trying to get clicks that's the thing is a lot of those journalists don't even care about the story they just care about clicks most of them probably yeah and it's because can't you don't have a good enough story to get clicks just based on the true story well you know what

the so what the writers are judged on is how how much engagement on their piece so i guess hate the game don't hate the player yeah i mean they're just doing their job yeah and it's like it the media rewards that so i mean i saw all sorts of shit with my picture on there this week I mean, my fucking retarded gold tooth. I'm like, God, I look at that one. It's like this article that's going to be all hate and then me smiling with my fucking gold tooth. I'm like, holy shit.

That was a, what a mistake. That's pretty good though. But, oh, God. It's been, it's been rough. It's like, and I mean, it was rough for a little bit. Now I'm like fucking coming to terms with it. Because also, what are you going to do? What are you going to do?

You're going to tell me I can't race. Fucking, in some ways, I'd be like, thank you. All these fuckers hate me. Now an ultra, now I know how all these fuckers actually feel. Yeah. They hate me. So, and I knew it. But, oh, that was nothing.

So I want you to read this because then I can't get in trouble. Let me think, where was that? Oh, yeah. So I thought, I don't know. This is on substack. And I have no fucking idea where I got substack or where I found this. But if you wrote this, please let me know and I'll give you credit. So I thought this made sense.

Yeah, just start there with I know about me. You can skip over the lift part because I don't think he's lifting anymore. Okay. I know about Haynes through his kid, Truitt, who runs even faster and wears jeans. Trude Haynes posted a while ago on his story that he just runs and doesn't lift. He's jacked. He still lifts little. He doesn't.

Part of me feels the Haynes' fans' success is a hint to the guard changing some in running. From pure ectomorph distance freaks to mesomorph chads, in parentheses hybrid athletes, guys who run and lift, are recent genpop phenomenon. Running isn't just skinny people with masters anymore. And so the old guard is losing its complete monopoly in elite running to people whose complete lives revolve around fitness and are scared. It's about to be a war. Anyways, the snitch episode feels like Edward Yang's terrorizers or maybe, I don't know, have to kill more. Yeah. But it's like I think that, I thought that was a pretty good insight on like, yeah, it was like the skinny people with masters.

you know, they, that is elite running. Yeah. And now they have to deal with fucking Nick Bear coming in. Yeah. Looking jacked running a 239 or, you know, all those other hybrid guys down there that are fucking look like models. And then these runners, these skinny runners who are amazing athletes are like, wait, these fuckers are going to be, we got to stand by these guys?

Yeah. That's not fun. No. And I also think, you know, those people are. the hybrid athletes are these guys who are jacked or who are really successful are making a lot of money they're very they're very successful outside yeah and that's got to be hard because as a skinny runner most of your money's tied up in your performance whereas these guys are running you know to them sub-elite times you know they're not that good great for the general population and they're getting

celebrated for it yeah and it drives the fucking elites crazy yeah which i can understand i i get it too yeah i mean I think we were having a conversation. I can't remember with who, but they were like, they said, you know, runners take them like a group of nerds, you know, these nerds that are just focused on running and they got really good at it. And now the people that used to bully them in high school,

jacked are coming in and they're getting celebrated for being runners. It's like, can we not have one thing? Yeah. And it's like, okay, I can understand that too. That's got to suck. Yeah. It's like, I think it sucks.

Well, here's what's weird. It's like, maybe the girls talk shit about each other, but I would really hate the girls. If I was like, because of girl Olympians, all look like models and are skinny and are amazing. So being skinny for a girl isn't an issue. They want to be skinny anyway, usually. The guys don't necessarily want to be skinny,

but you have to perform. Yeah. And so they definitely hate the jacked guys. Who get all the model girls, the elite girls. I mean, I totally get it. But what's crazy is like, these people, these skinny runners with masters i thought those people were the inclusive loving accepting people but they're the most critical they fucking want to they want to gate keep their little thing

and keep all the all us dumb fucks with gold teeth and fucking by levels and maybe have lifted i've lifted my whole life yeah they're like no get that guy out of here yeah he's toxic it's like and he's maga Oh, fuck. It's like, yeah, we want to grow the sport. We welcome everybody. But not these guys. Well, only if you look like us, you don't get as much attention. And, yeah.

Yeah, and we can still be the star. Yeah, and you can still be the star. Yeah. It's like, we talked about this before, but it's like if you want to grow something, you almost have to concede to the necessary evils that will come with it. I mean, Connor and I talked about this is like, you know, you, some of us benefit from like, okay, here's an influencer who has really good advice

and has helped in a lot of ways. Well, you almost have to concede that on the other side, you're going to have the guy who live streams every lift in the gym and is a pain in the ass. Yeah. You know, and it's like you can't really just pick and choose. You've got to just accept it all as it comes. So I don't know.

But it is what it is. I mean, I just know that like, you know, the run girls get a lot of attention with all the coordinated outfits and the bright stuff. And people talk shit on them. And then these, you know, the hybrid guys get shit or obviously I've got a lot of shit. And it's just like, is it okay for people to be their own? You know, that's one thing I love about Ultra is like everybody's kind of a character.

You know, their own, it's so unique. But creating division like this, I mean, it makes me not want to fucking be involved at all. But it's what does this help? What does this help? I mean, I'm sure there could be an argument that's like it's still getting eyes on the sport. People, some people don't run, but they're interested in drama, you know? Yeah. I mean, but who wants to wade into something with a bunch of drama?

I mean, there's actually toxic people out there that love that shit. Yeah, it's, I don't know, it's just been interesting to, you know, kind of been in the middle of it. and still might be it's whatever but i mean i just you know and all the people like the skinny runner people i love those fucking people i do i just i love running with them i love learning from them i love you know i just love going to the track meets but i mean it's just i think i think in a lot of ways this is like you know we've celebrated the fact that with ultra specifically you have these elite athletes out in front that that are beasts and that you can watch them and be excited but also because you have regular people in the back of the pack they get celebrated they can get celebrated

just as much if not more sometimes i mean look at uh andy glaze for example yeah and so there's not a lot of sports we've said this before that that's like that um you know it's not like in nascar okay the first place guy gets uh celebrated okay well the guy in 20th who is jacked and looks good isn't getting celebrated you know you no one even knows who the 20th guy is so i can understand it's like if you run a a 212 and your seventh at some marathon nobody even knows who you are yeah but the guy who runs a 240 and you know has a fit on that has a aura it's like everybody loves him yeah so and that i can that causes issues yeah but speaking of division and being unique we have to talk about the circle pit i'm satisfied i mean that is like this is a that

Perfect shit talkers topic. Well, no. So that was the topic last week. It was me in the circle pit. Right. She's shitting on me. Everybody's shooting on me and then shitting on the circle pit. Yeah, I know.

It was an interesting event for sure. Well, okay. Here's what I'm going to say. What is the point of events like that? Publicity. Did it work? Yeah. It worked well.

Everyone's talking about it. You can say it's stupid. cool, dumb. You're talking about it. But you know it was a Satisfi Adidas collab. So who's the fucking, who's the joke? Yeah. The joke's on you. You're talking about it. We're talking about it. Jokes on us. Yeah. And I mean, even my girlfriend who didn't know who Satisfi was before brought it up and was like, oh, what is this about? And I'm like, yeah, that's a new audience. That's it. And you go, I did see these, these guys did have a really good take and I'm probably going to get in hot water for this. I'm not saying it's my opinion. But they said, here's a brand

like Satisfi, who their whole schick is like, we're punk anti-establishment. But your prices are very establishment, you know? And so it's like, it's a weird juxtaposition. Yeah. So anyways, I thought we had to bring it up and talk about it a little bit. No, it's, but it's good is that's the name of the game. Yeah. It's, you create buzz. Who else has done that? They've created bus. Yeah. So either fucking step your game up, do it better if you didn't like it or shut the fuck up. Yeah. I think. But whatever it worked.

Yeah. I guarantee the metrics, if they add up all this engagement and all this fucking shit, this right here that we're talking about, they'd be like, we knocked this shit out of the park. Yep. I think so too. And I'm sure that's exactly what they were planning on. Yeah. And of course the establishment, the people who've been in ultra forever, of course they're going to say,

oh, it's stupid. Why would they, you know, but it's not all about it. about the guys who've been in it forever, is it? No. The sports growing. And I think if you can't appreciate that, appreciate the willingness to do something that you probably know is gonna be controversial and still doing it anyways.

Because how many times have we talked about marketing being the same thing over and over again and it's boring? Yeah. So gotta give respect. And that's why I have this. Nice. Well, one other thing that's been pissing me off and this goes kind of hand in hand with my PR because I got new shoes, right?

I did it. Oh, shit. But wait, what was the stack height? I don't want to talk about it. If you, okay, you're fucking banned, dude. You fucking, you're over 40 millimeter, aren't you? I think I was. I don't know. They were the, um, A6 super blast threes. They're, they're pretty high. I thought that's what I wore. Now you were, I thought you wore Puma. Oh yeah, no, no, Puma. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. A Cic. Okay. But anyways, my issue is why and like minted just, did a clab with sockony and whatever. But for men, why do all our shoes in colors suck? Yeah. These are like cool. They're like purple and pink, but it's like I want something on my feet that make me look like I'm the flash. Well, you don't want blood on your shoe because then

you're going to, because that's going to be on a meme page. Oh my God, dude. Yeah, no kidding. But I'm like, everything else is like white and black. We try to do something. cool and now it's used against me i was literally like i i will go to the women's section and just size up well so i can get something cool keep blasting that estrogen and you'd be fine and i'll get match it a matching thaw well we've i mean we still got i still got a lot on my list what do you got have you listen to drake's albums i used a song did you yeah oh so you like them i don't know i haven't listen to the rest no i think one that one song had a good hook that i used yeah can't remember what it was i listened to ice man last night and how good 90% of them are not good yeah yeah so it'll still sell

oh of course tons of copies yeah um we do need to talk about a friend of the show maybe we might and her resignation i know yeah that's i mean her husband got sick i know i saw that yeah so her husband and got sick. I know I saw that. Yeah, so her husband has cancer. Apparently is what I read. And yeah, I love Tulsi. Again, people can weigh in and hate me for politics on this too, but she's been an amazing friend. And yeah, I'm rooting for her and I'm praying for her husband. Yeah, are we allowed to talk about being friends with people and not including their politics? Like, can you appreciate the kindness and the character of somebody? No.

Oh, okay. You got to hate them. Okay. Yeah, for how they vote. Yeah. I did have an idea. So you shot a flaming arrow at Seattle this year for Supercross. Is there anybody out there that can get us a connection for you to do it at F1?

Let's go. Let's fucking go. You can talk about big. How sick with that way. That would be sick. Yeah. Hey, let's make it happen. Since I can't race anymore.

Yeah. I got more time. Neil, I know you listen. You're the guy that knows everybody. This is on you. Yeah. Let's see. What else? Well, the Bentley giveaways live. Yep. So if you want to win that Bentley, man, that car. You better go spend million. Man, that's fun to drive. Fuck. It's a nice ride. Yeah, it's a nice ride. I can't wait to give it away and 10,000 cash. I forgot I agreed to do the 10,000. I thought the car was enough. And And yeah, I guess I didn't convey that, hey, maybe we don't need to do the 10,000 cash on a 300,000-dollar car, but whatever.

Fine. We definitely got to talk about McGregor Holloway. Yeah. I mean, do you think it's actually going to happen? I hope it does. I do, too. You see who his new sponsor is? Alp?

He's on the team, baby. I know, I know. So maybe we can get him out here for a podcast. I told Lexi just, or wait, is it Lexi? Yeah. Lexi, I told her to tell him to keep hammering. Nice. You tell him to keep hammer.

Keep hammer. Wait. Yeah. She said, got it. I'm sure that happened. So let me send him a text real quick. You know what? I could tell him if you just want to send me his email.

Yeah, yeah. That would be sick. No, that should be good. I mean, I don't know how, you know, it's been a while since he's been in there. I know. It's tough to even give a prediction because. Oh, yeah. That was another thing.

You talk about. like, okay, here's a classic example for the drug testing thing. The fighters come out of the USADA pool, go get healthy, do all the shit, oh, come back in. Actually, and I want to say, I've never been in the USADA testing pool.

So that's another thing. So just for people that are wondering. But so, yeah, these guys like Connor, you know, he went out, did surgery, probably stem cells, probably, I'm guarantee, peptides, everything else to try to heal his body. Then he comes back in the testing pool.

They got to test clean for, six months and then they can fight again. But it's a that's pretty standard. And like if you even think about, I don't know why I'm talking about this anymore, but I was just thinking about it recently, but like when Kobe blew out as Achilles, he went to France for treatment. You know why? Get a lot better shit. Yeah. You know, so he could do, you know, it's probably stem cells of that time, but like, it doesn't have, they are not quite the same restrictions as here. But so you guys, you go and, you know, these athletes, you do whatever it takes to get your body healthy, right? If you're not competing at that time, it's just like, that's just what it takes sometimes.

Anyway, I thought of those examples. And my fucking BPC peptide 17 months before isn't exactly the same as these, but it just reminded me of them. Yeah, I mean, I do think that's, it's a good point because if you're allowed to drop out of the testing pool and then test clean for six months, and I don't know if it's the same for track. because I remember looking it up and it said no. But they clearly do that in other sports. So I don't, I mean, make what you want of that. Yeah, I'm not sure.

Yeah, I don't know exactly how that works. I just don't think that the regular hobby jogger wants to deal with fucking thinking about what, wait, what can I take? Okay. Gives a fuck. Oh, nope. You can't take this one. Can't take this Flintstone vitamin. I'm going, but I'm going McGregor.

I'm thinking, this is what I'm going. I'm hoping. If Mystic Mac is back, that'd be so sick. This is what I'm hoping is McGregor Beats Holloway, falls back in love with fighting, goes for the belt. Wins it one more time retires. Would that be a story? Holy shit. That would be sick, dude. But probably not. He'll probably get the payoff from this, and instead of keep hammering, he'll keep sniffing. Keep snort and blow. That's our next logo. Yeah. Or our next merch. Keep snort and blow. Let's see Last thing I had was

Canada Yeah We leave tomorrow Yeah So yeah Let's go kill a big bear You think we can top last year? I've never even seen two bear as big as the ones I killed last year

So We'd have to be out there for three weeks Yeah Unless it's going to be a grizzly I don't think so But two, I killed two eight-foot black bear last year epic so we're going to try to see what we can do to match that we'll see stay tuned yeah we got new broadheads oh i saw that yeah remys yeah they look sick yeah they fly perfect too that's good so

yeah i'm pumped um yeah sorry about all the fucking drama this week guys it's uh not by design but um you know i have a target on me i get it um not completely cleaning. It just goes with the territory. And yeah, it's just the way it goes. If it makes good content for others, it makes good content for us. Yeah, I mean, I'm fine with it. And I'm, you know, I'm a big boy. I can handle whatever happens. So. Yeah. That's what my uncle used to say. Get up here, big boy. You're a big boy. You can handle this. Ooh, you're looking grown. Got a little hair on your ass.

Little hair on them nuts. We almost made it. Oh, fuck. We almost made it. Yeah, it's so good. Is that all you had? That's all I got. All right, guys.

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