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Episode Date: September 14, 2026

Needs descriptionJoin James Williams aka Gideon for a solo podcast. Cam is out hunting so James is going to cover questions you guys asked on Instagram, some of his background, random thoughts, and more! Let us know in the comments if you want James to do another one of these episodes! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Intro, Why People Call James Gideon, & Tackle Football 00:11:17 – Making Goals That Scare You 00:16:42 – Find Someone that Supports Your Goals 00:18:09 – The Misogi Challenge: Do Something Hard Each Year 00:20:42 – Creeps on Instagram 00:23:03 – Doing What You Say You're Going to Do 00:25:02 – How Being Around Cam Has Changed James 00:26:46 – How James Met Cam 00:27:33 – Photography Gear: Just a Button Pusher 00:28:09 – Overhyped & Underrated Products in the Fitness Industry  00:29:35 – Films that Inspire James 00:30:55 – Hog Aesthetics 00:31:38 – Israel & BB…No Comments 00:32:13 – What James’ First Backyard Ultra Would Be 00:33:24 – Cam & James’ In-N-Order 00:34:55 – How to Become a Man 00:36:17 – “For the Lore” Motto 00:41:09 – Depression? Get Out the Door & Do Something 00:44:21 – Rotten Apples Aren’t Applesauce 00:46:20 – Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off ALP: https://alppouch.com/ use code CAM for 10% off your first order Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your order Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 15% off MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code CAM for 20% off & Free Shipping

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But when the animal reacts, or maybe I don't make the most perfect shot, I still want to deliver a lethal arrow and a 90-pound bow. bow gives me more room for error. Unfortunately, they don't offer discounts on bows, but if you want to grab some Hoyt merch or selected accessories, you can use my code, CAM, for 20% off. If you're serious about archery and you want something you can rely on, shoot a Hoyt. Get serious, get Hoyt, and keep hammering. Every step I take, I move my truth. Every time they tell me stop I use. Every comment, hate that makes my feel. Get the rock. My energy and boom, I had them talking, saying the way that I'm moving so reckless. That is a part of my mind I've been blessed with.

Giving my blood so I am relentless. Let's see how this goes. Okay, I'm going to redo that. Okay. Already take two or three. Well, four, because there's a file that I didn't upload that will never see the light of the day. So to start this, I think I need to preemptively apologize to Macy. Macy, I'm sorry.

Oh, poor Macy. Sorry, Macy. Have fun with that. that macy sorry macy sorry macy because as far as an audience goes it is just macy and i it's just me in this room i'm alone but macy will be the one watching it first so i definitely need to apologize to macy for that uh second thing right off the bat different setup as you can tell different angle yeah if you don't know what this is it's gideon which we'll get into that because it's not even my real name, if you didn't know. I'm doing a solo podcast

and as you can probably already discern from the fact that I'm sitting in the podcast studio alone, that's how bad things have gotten. The podcast is on a huge trend downwards. Everything's crumbling. Desperate times. Call for desperate measures. Not really, but is desperate enough? No, let me restart. Yeah, desperate times. Not really, but actually because Cam's gone and we decided we wanted to try a solo episode. So if you don't know what this is and you're not watching for the listeners, Cam will not be on this episode.

So I guess that will take away probably 99% of my viewers. The 1% that are left, welcome. Let's get into this. So I thought I should probably go into a deeper intro into who I am, just in case you don't know. Dodson, Dodson, we've got Dodson here. Nobody cares.

But the details of my life are quite, inconsequential. My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low-grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buckery. My mother was a 15-year-old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would romance. He messed it up. If you don't know what movie that's from, you probably shouldn't listen to the rest of this. But yeah, so my name is not even Gideon. My name is actually James. My middle name is Gideon. My middle name is Gideon. And if you don't know why or how I started going by Gideon on the shit talkers podcast, you had to go all the way back to the beginning where Cam asked, I think everybody wants to know

what does the G stand for on my Instagram handle, which is, well, you know what it is. I don't want to say it because then it seems like I'm giving a shameless self-promotion plug. But I have a G. And I said, it stands for Greg and he said Oh man That is so unique That is not my middle name but I think we'll leave it at that

It's not Greg? Yeah Gagg Gideon Gideon? Yeah seriously? Isn't that from like a movie or something The Hobbit or

Yeah my parents were huge Hobbit fans Gideon the Hobbit master I am in fact A Hobbit So that's my name Now you know Let's get into it

I want to address the fact that Yesterday morning I woke up And there was a crisp Feeling to the air Some of you may know this as a season called fall. Reminds me of playing tackle football. As a kid,

ooh, the sun would set, the air would get a little more bitey, your ears would get cold, your nose would run, but there was enough light for one more game of tackle football. You know, I step outside, there's a certain smell to it, and it's a smell of nostalgia. It reminds me this one time we were playing tackle football

when I was a kid. kid. I use that term loosely. Someone should do a counter of how many times I mess up words, because it's going to be a lot. But we were playing tackle football as a kid, and I was the receiver, quarterback threw the ball. I had gone deep. I'm in the end zone. And I could tell the ball was coming in a little high. So I needed some effort. He'd put a little spring in my legs. So I jumped up for it. Now, my stomach has always been bad. But at this time in my life, it was notorious. bad. I load my legs and I jump for the ball. My body moving upwards to make the catch. The soft serve ice cream sitting in my bowels did not go upwards. No, it went downwards and I

full on shit myself. Anyways, that was the last time I played tackle football and it was not the last time I shit myself, unfortunately. Oh my God. He's shit. everywhere. I think there's two types of people out there. One, adults who admit to shitting themselves and a second kind of person. And that second kind of person is a liar. So anyways, speaking of football, football is back, the NFL, college football. For those of you that are into that kind of thing, grown-ass men, by the way, watching other grown-ass men tackle each other. But Speaking of grown men tackling each other, the other day I ran out of toilet paper. Now, it was 10 p.m.

It's pretty late, and this will be the last time I talk about poop, I promise. This is also a great example of everyone that's hated on me laughing the podcast, just saying I'm kissing Cam's ass and I laugh at everything. No, I laugh at everything no matter what. It's because I'm an idiot. So you laugh a little more when your IQ is anywhere south of 90, everything that comes out of anybody's mouth is funny. Easy on the joke. I won't make it. It's low-hanging fruit. Anyways, I ran out of toilet paper. It's 10 p.m. a little too late to go get some.

Now, an uncivilized man would wait until morning, but a cultured man adapts, overcomes, bears down. some might say keeps hammering. And that's what I did. I had the idea, the notion, the intellect, to understand that bounty is a lot better. Let me, bounty is good at more things than just cleaning up spilled milk. It does jobs. I never thought a paper towel could do.

Now it's the quilted figure of earth. Let's just put it like that. Okay. That's the intro. I hope. I don't know. This is probably going to go so bad. I wonder how many people are going to make it through the full thing.

If you do, I need to put this out there. This is the first of the solo podcast I'll do. If it goes badly, it'll be the last one. So you guys won't have to endure this anymore. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. But if it goes decently, there will be a second one. No, God, please no. No! And I want to get the audience involved. So I think for the second one, what I'll do is I'll have people send in stories. They can either type them or send me a voice note or a voice memo on Instagram because I would love to play and react to the stories in real time on the podcast. Try not to make them too brutal. As we know, Macy has to listen to this. Or if they are too bad, I will have to edit them out before she gets them. So just keep.

Actually, you know what? I'm going to, I'll proof listen to him. So do your worst. But just know if it's bad, it won't make it to the podcast. I did want to touch on a few things. Now, I do appreciate everyone listening, even though I don't know why you would. Clearly, you're also someone of an IQ south of 90. And that's okay. Takes one and no one. But on our last podcast, we did a picnic recap. And it was fine. It was good. But there were some things I didn't get to go fully in depth on. I felt as I wanted to. I kind of skipped over some of my notes. That's my fault. But I wanted to retouch on making goals that scare you. And I know I had said on that podcast, you know, that goal scared the crap out of me. That's exactly what it did. And the thing is, is when I said that,

I'm not sure I entirely believed it. I think part of me, saying that was I wanted to convince myself that that was the good thing to do, that making a goal that scared me this bad was good. And I was doing something hard. Now, looking back, I agree with that. You should set goals to scare you. And not just physical ones, but all different kinds. And if it doesn't scare you, then it's not big enough. It's not out of reach enough. I think that that level of fear where it's not crippling it's not you know it doesn't paralyze you it doesn't eat away at your life that level of fear acts as an accountability partner it acts as something to motivate you it acts is something that's always in the back of your mind when you wake up in the morning and you know

you have work to do it's too big to ignore it's too big to skip your workout for the day and just think you know what it's not that hard i'll be fine because you know it won't be that hard You can't skip a workout because you know that on the day you said you were going to do this goal as it approaches, that that goal, whatever it may be, doesn't care how you felt on any specific day. It doesn't care if you were tired. It doesn't care if you didn't feel like you had time. All it cares about is that it's just as hard, it's just as demanding as the day it was you made that goal. So make the goal that scares you, something that keeps you honest, something that when you show up to conquer it, you have to look yourself in the mirror and ask, did I do the work? Now, I understand the picnic relative to the guests we have on.

So some of the people I've had the pleasure of meeting is not that big of a deal. There's plenty of people I think out there that could do it. Honestly, there's probably somebody that can get off the couch and do it. That's my honest take on it. So don't be afraid to set a goal big enough that you don't feel like you can do in the moment. But what I have found after the picnic is everything I'd done before, whether it was a 50K or the 100K or any other stupid adventure. We're going on an adventure, Charlie. The picnic was always there afterwards.

I always knew I had something to move towards. And it was this thing I had put so much emotional energy in and had wanted to do for so long that now that it's done, I'm finding it a little difficult to pick what my next goal may be. It's easy to work towards something when you're emotionally invested in it. That kind of keeps the fire lit under you. But to be honest, and I think I've said this, maybe people don't believe me, but I have never stepped out of the door once and been excited to go for a run. I do not like running. It doesn't, it's never offered me what maybe it offers to others, you know, the runner's high or a chance to think or a passion. It was always just the work that I had to do. And obviously that came into play with my job. You know, I need to be in decent shape to do what I

do. So that being said, you know, I've said before that, you know, when I climbed or even as a photographer or a filmmaker. I've never said that. I've never said, I am a photographer, I am a climber, I am a runner, because I don't believe that.

You know, I think there are certain people out there that can claim they are that thing when they devote their life to it, but eventually, and none of us can run away from this, eventually there will come a day

where you are no longer that thing, and then what is left afterwards. So I've never attached my identity to that, but I think what I did subconscious is attach my identity to the person that was training for the picnic. Nobody makes me bleed my own blood. Nobody. So every day when I had to train, it was for the picnic. Now, you know, I don't have anything to train for, so to speak. I've maintained, you know, I've gone a couple runs a week.

Obviously, I am back in the gym lifting five days a week, trying to put some weight back on. What do you do for a living? I lift things up and put them down. So I don't know. I don't know what the next goal is. That was a question a lot of people asked. I had hinted at the idea of doing a backyard ultra. Boy, have you lost your mind? Because I'll help you find it. I'll get to that later. I answered somebody's question on that. I'd like to give you guys credit for the questions you ask me. So I'll wait. The last thing I want to say about the picnic

specifically is I just feel like I didn't touch enough. on the impact Brooke had on my training, the prep, the calories, the nutrition, the logistics of getting there. So I'm beyond grateful for that and her family, but I just wanted to reiterate. I think it's important you find somebody that's willing to hear your goals and be a yes man, but not just a yes man, be realistic about them, help you in ways that helps you move towards them instead of being another point of friction to get it done. Whatever that may be in your life, whatever your goal is, whatever that takes, or whatever you must sacrifice to accomplish that.

Obviously, there's a lot that goes into that. But Brooke, thank you. Oh, my lanta, you are my woman. I don't let her listen to these. Maybe she'll listen to this one. I don't know. It's kind of a rule. It's my rule.

Anybody who knows me personally, you're not allowed to listen to the podcast. And if you do, don't tell me. Okay. That's the first time I remember that that camera's there. All right. Well, I don't want to get, I don't want this whole thing to be serious. I want this podcast to be somewhere that I can spill excess thoughts from shit talkers, whether they're jokes or funny or unhinged, but also serious. I think a lot of us out there use humor to cope because we are deep thinkers. Not saying that if you're a deep thinker, you have a high IQ, so don't run away with that.

I ran clearly across the Alabama. No particular reason I just kept on going. We've already established we all have low IQs here. Usually there's two sides to the coin. So if you're listening to this and wondering what the hell is going on and why are you listening to this, I apologize. And maybe this will be the last time you ever have to sit through this. So there's a term I want to talk about. It's called a Masogi. And that is the whole reason that I decided to do the picnic. And this term, I originally heard of it from Jesse Itzler. And he said, you know, there's an old Japanese ritual. It's called a Masogi. And it's to do one hard, challenging thing that's, you know, 50, 50, whether you'll do it or not a year. One thing that afterwards will just, you'll do it. You'll do it or not a year.

one thing that afterwards will change your perspective on things. Now, I looked it up. Masogi is actually an old Japanese ritual of purifying water. So I'm not sure how Western culture turned that into one heart event annually, but I do like the idea behind this new definition of the term. So if you're out there wondering, put a Masogi on your calendar. Choose one for 2027.

If you don't have one for 2026 this year, throw it up there. Challenge yourself. That goal I talked about earlier about doing something that scares you. Make that your Masogi. I think, why not? I don't know.

Go to camera two and back to camera one. My transitions in this podcast may be a little rough. This is going to be a giant learning curve for all of us. I assume that the comments are just going to be really, with people ripping me a new one and I deserve it so you know this is it might be rough for the first couple times but the only way you can get better at something like this is to do it over and over again unless it goes terribly in which case I this will be the only time like I said earlier I spoke of my girlfriend how

thankful I was for her and her commitment to my goal here's a problem and I got a lock in for this one too And this one might be, I'm going to be looking at this camera a couple times. And this one goes right out to the viewer because it's you guys. It's the, it's the, I'm going to call you the minions. I post a picture with my girlfriend on Instagram, a social media app, founded by, well, I don't know who it was founded by, but it's owned by Metas Mark Zuckerberg. Okay.

If you didn't know that, no one knows what it means, but it's provocative. Now you know. So a little history lesson there for you. I post a picture, me and my girlfriend, wholesome. How many times are you guys going to say I outkicked my coverage? One time, two times, you know, maybe that's funny. Say it once, shame on you. Say it twice, shame on me.

Fool me three times George W. Bush. No, you guys, you can't. And I don't know where I'm going with this, but I can't. I can't tag her anymore also because you guys are a bunch of creeps. Okay? So if I tag my girlfriend, maybe don't go stalker page because that gets back to me. And let me tell you, Dale from Iowa, it's not a real person, but it might as well be, if I out kicked my coverage, what makes you think you're not even on the football field, okay?

You're in the nosebleeds. Dale, you're in the nosebleeds. So don't do that. Don't shoot your shot. What is that about? We can't be doing that. Thank you. That's a public service announcement.

Oh, God, I feel like this is going terribly. Hit the like button, comment, subscribe for more. Is it possible that this video is our first video that gets more dislikes than likes? Is that possible? I don't know. Okay, let's get into some audience questions. This one comes from T. Furlong, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, and he asks the why. Or did you mean the who?

I don't even know if we can use that. That might be copyright. Anyways. No, the why. And I've thought a lot about this. And I think I think a lot about it because of the people we have on the podcast. the people I've had the opportunity to meet through this work. And I'm not necessarily, a lot of them have similar qualities.

And they're elites. They're the best of the best. So they're obviously going to have qualities above the rest of us. But when it comes down to it, I don't think I'm driven by a similar thing, which probably is the reason why I'll never be elite. But that's okay. I'm the average Joe trying to do slightly above average things with a slightly below average IQ.

I'm the smartest guy in the world. Says who? The IQ test you took in prison. You got the highest score in history. Brought to you by Carl's Jr. If I had to answer the why, in one sentence, it's that these goals allow me the opportunity

to prove to myself that I am capable of accomplishing what I say I'm going to do. When I look in the mirror, I can look at myself and say, I did exactly what I said I was going to do, even past wanting to quit or being scared or not doing it. And I think that's important for later on in life. Maybe not right now. Maybe I haven't reaped the benefits of that at the moment. But it's yet to be seen. Okay, Chris Zeller asks, how has being around Cam and other high achievers changed me? I've talked about this before,

but I've become very accustomed to being the weakest link. And I think, you know, at first, it was a hit to my ego, hit to my pride. It made me feel weak and small. And then as time went on, I learned to accept that. and that the only way I could move forward and move towards some of my goals was to be the weakest thing. I think it's an insane privilege to look around you and always be around people who are better than you. How many times in life do we look around our friend group?

And not to say that our friend group sucks, friends are super important, but for a job, I get to spend time around super high achievers. I get to listen to what they say. their little pieces of advice, their little tips, and I get to ingest all that, and then translate it into my own understanding and spit out a solution or an action on the other side. So I think that's been the biggest thing, is being okay, being the weakest link, knowing that I'm always moving towards being better. I don't think I'll ever not be the weakest link, I think. You are the weakest link.

Goodbye. I think I play that role really well. And, uh, yeah. The next question is from Avery M. Fisk. He asks, how did you meet Cam? It's simple. A lot of you older gents and lads, lads, ladies, although there are very few.

may remember a little site before Facebook marketplace called Craigslist, and we met on the back pages in a missing connection ad. Not actually, but the real story is kind of boring. Just by happenstance, a couple DMs exchange with Branlon Shockey, and I found myself in Hawaii with Cam and Tulsi. there were a lot of questions about gear, photography, filmmaking. I could do like a mini episode if you guys really want to hear it, but the average viewer I don't think is so interested in that side of things.

I'm happy to do it as a mini episode. If you guys want, you may be disappointed in a lot of my answers as I believe that all I really do is push a button. And everybody in their grandma can push a button. It ain't that deep. Well, that's not true. Some things are that deep. Next question is from Clint Bartlett Outdoors.

He asked three overhyped and underrated products in the fitness industry. Fitness. Fitness dick in your mouth? Ha! Gotty! Clint? Number one, overhyped. Anyone who's claiming to sell you a course of how to get shredded with 10 minute abs?

number one underrated is P90X and Zumba Fitness Classes. I need to see all you guys in the Zumba Room on the little bouncy trampoline with your, what are those called? Stocking warmers? Leg warmers? Leg warmers. Yeah. Leg warmers.

I was thinking of stocking stuffers and leg warm. I mixed them somehow. Yeah. So if you want to get shredded, jacked, fit, honestly, if I was running the Moab 2.40 this year, I can't work. Lucky for those guys, I'm, you know, booked. Otherwise, I'd probably be winning it.

But pull out the old P90X DVD and get your ass in a Zumba class. Pounds you're going to fly, and that is out of here, mister. Jeff 48 King asks, films that inspire me. There's a bunch of films that inspire me for different reasons, but a couple of my favorites. One of them is an older short film. I used to love short outdoor films. I used to always go to the Fly Fishing Film Tour and Bozeman when it was there and also the Banff Mountain Film Fest. And so films like that really inspired me. One of them is called Donali.

I think it's a great film shown from a different perspective. It's a shot and edited from the perspective and narrated from the perspective of a dog who gets to go on all these incredible adventures. And then the second film that I think is just so well done and has no score, no music, hardly any dialogue. No dialogue from character to character.

It's a one-man band. at least as far as characters go, is to haul out. Incredibly well done. That film is really good. Dan Harms 23 asks, favorite butt plug size? I don't know. Ask your dad. Gotty.

Let me know what he says. D. Adams, 011, asks, not a question, but merely a statement. Hog aesthetics. Here's the thing about hog, hog watch, hog reveal. Anyone in the Ultraspace knows this term because of Max Jolliffe unsolicited memes. It's a movement, a religion, a renaissance, if you will.

He is the hog father and to benefit or profit off of the use of this reference, without any notion or respect for the hogness, I think, blasphemy. I didn't ask who asked this, but someone asked about Israel and BB. I will fold under zero pressure and get into a very long conversation about that with anyone who's willing to. And to the CIA agent listening to this live, probably through my phone, since I'm already on a list. It's all jokes. It's all love. Now, do I say it's all love on this podcast because it's not shit talkers?

once we name it, maybe we'll need a different saying. Maybe this one. Yeah, so someone asked what my first backyard Ultra would be. That's from Ryan Barnett or Barnett. Ryan, I don't know how to say your last name. I know we're buddies. We've talked on the phone. Great dude, talented photographer.

If anyone, and I'm looking at you, Marky Mark, the dowds Hemethy If anyone knows Somebody Maybe to slip me a little You know A little

A little permission slip A little Receit of entry A little But of faith A little Damn Kind of sound like Theo

Damn A little damn You know Damn Damn token. If anybody knows somebody, let me know. I'll do my best to last as long as my uncle does for me. Sage Harris asked about Cam and I's in and out order. We've talked enough about it. And you know what? I think this is finally the time. I've been holding on to this information for far too long.

If it gets me fired, it gets me fired. But Cam, the world needs to know that Cam orders his birth. burgers as plain as possible. We're talking no cheese, no onions, no tomatoes, no pickles, no ketchup, no nothing, just meat between a bun. No homo. I think sometimes he just gets the bun because he feels guilty. And the amount of times we've gone and, you know, maybe it's a language barrier or lost in translation, you know, sometimes those order speakers can be a little hissy, a little staticy. Yeah, three orders of wanton soup.

And then? That's it. And then? No, and then. That's all I want. And then? But a lot of times, they don't fully register what he's trying to order. And it does not come out as plain as possible. I get the double, double, double, two double doubles give me everything, animal style, with some fries. Tanner asks, not Tanner Haynes, different Tanner. How do you become a man? We have come to the most critical area of masculine behavior. What?

Dancing. Truly manly men do not dance. Oh, come on. Now, Tanner, I have the privilege, or maybe the misfortune of knowing you. I think a good starting place is we got to. do something about these jump rope videos you're posting you know they're illegal in at least 150 countries semi illegal than the others just got a call from king john kim kim jang un yesterday and he's not pleased about it now give me money or i shoot him and i shoot all you motherfuckers

and then we take it your choice bitches he's certainly not pleased with the angle you've been filming them from. Okay. We want to talk about Hogwatch earlier? Yeah, we got to work on those. We got to maybe get you something to prop your phone up so it's not so underneath. We're not shooting up, you know? I get it. You got to shoot up, make things look better, but for the rest of us, maybe, you know, maybe take that into account. Well, my last topic for conversation to the live audience is the last podcast, the last couple maybe, I wore this hat. And some people were asking where it was from or what it is.

It has this saying on the side, which is for the lore. That's my deal. That's my saying. Everyone's got to have one, I guess, right? I have it tattooed on my leg. I tattooed it on myself. And it's just kind of a motto I've lived my life by, which is when you're faced with a difficult decision,

or an anxiety or something that, you know, feels scary is like faith and fear are both things that we believe without seeing them. So you can choose either one. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. I choose to believe that it'll work out. And so far in my 28 years of life, Every time I'm worried about it working out, it has worked out. I'm still here.

Still walking. I'm still standing. I'm still alive. And that all comes down to for the lore. Do it. Because why not? You know, it's like when you get to the end of your life and you look back, this is really where the inspiration came from.

You know, I used to watch a bunch of movies as a kid. Still do. But in so many of them, and I've been going back, we got a V8. So, you know, two or three times a week at night when things have wound down, we pop in a VHS. And in a lot of them, the main characters dig up or pull down this old dusty box. I'm not talking about your mom in her dusty box. I'm talking about a physical box. They pull it off the shelf.

Maybe it was stowed away in some closet where the sun don't shine. they pull this box down and they open it up and it's, you know, from their grandpa or from somebody before them. And inside the box are a bunch of mementos or little things that meant something to the person that placed them in there. Maybe they don't mean anything to the outside world. But when opened and looked through, you can discern what kind of life that person lived. And that was the whole inspiration is that your box proverbial, so to speak, your box is your life. And if someone at the end of your life could open up that box and look inside,

you better make sure you got a damn good story because that's all you have. You know, if your box is empty, if you got nothing in there that means something to you, then how can you mean something to somebody else? Bars. And I don't even know if that's true, but think about it. It sounded cool when I said it. I'm going to take a little ad break. I've got to go see how long this episode's been.

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We'll do it live. Fuck it. We got some new ones. ones. B. Barlow, as for speaking of Hogreveal, a P-P-reveal. Only if this pops off, if we get 100,000 likes,

you'll find it in your DMs. Why do you train? Also from B. Barlow, why don't you ask your mom? Why does she get trained? B. Barlow, another question, that's Blake. I know you and I have message back and forth a couple times, more than a couple times, Instagram friends. He asked, what would you?

you say to an 18 year old depressed you. Now this is an interesting question. And maybe this podcast has gotten too deep. And maybe that's maybe you guys will see where I, my head's at most of the time. It's always on. It's constantly on. It's why I can't sleep. I'm always thinking about things. And maybe it's not so much of what you guys want. So we'll find out. But I think this is an interesting question. We have this notion that's like, you know, once people have maybe achieved a couple goals or gotten to somewhere where they think they have some kind of status or, I don't know. And, you know, I'm guilty of this, but on the outside, you look at my Instagram, it's like, well, look at all these cool adventures, you know, maybe he was depressed when he's 18, but he's not now. And I don't

fully understand or know what depression is. I could sit here and say, I've had bouts of it, where I have no motivation, I feel worthless, you know, I don't want to do anything. And those having gone away since I was 18. I still get those every now and then. But I think what I would tell anybody that's going through depression, and I have, is just go do something. The hardest part is getting up and getting out the door. That's the hardest part. You would not believe how easy you are to convince once you were out the door to do more with anything. I know when I was training and running a lot for the 100K, you know, and I had a long run that was whatever 30 miles. It was the last thing I wanted to go do.

But if I could just get myself out the door, even if I was like, I'm not going to do the 30. I'll just do 15. Once I was 5, 10 miles in, there was no way I wasn't going to do the full thing. So once you're in motion, an object in motion stays in motion. That is my favorite quote from Benjamin Franklin and George Washington. So that's what I would answer with that. Some of these questions I can't put in here. But you know what I am going to do?

Sorry? A little upper decker, a little sweet nectar from our friends over at Alp. Live on air. As it is September, we know that it is hunting season. archery season is a foot in many states. And it reminds me of a story, my younger years, of a simple mistake I once made while hunting. A buddy had texted me the night before,

wanting to go hunting the next morning. I didn't really have any of my things put together. So I quickly put everything together. I knew I was going to need some snacks for on the mountain. And I go to my fridge. and in the bottom drawer was an apple that had probably been in there for a month, month and a half. Now, if you haven't watched an apple degrade for that long, and then the fridge is a little different, it'll keep kind of its outside shell, but on the inside it'll turn to mush.

In my head, I'm thinking, what's a mushed apple? That's applesauce. So I grabbed the apple thinking I just scored applesauce for my hunt the next day. I throw it in a bag, throw it in my pack, got everything loaded up, I go to bed. The next day, we're on the mountain. It's around lunchtime. It's time to have some snacks. Pound some trail mix, some jerky.

And I pull out my famed applesauce apple. Keep it in the Ziploc bag, mush it up with my hands. I'm thinking. this when in Rome, right? So open up the bag, dip my fingers in, take a nice, big mouthful of my applesauce. Now it turns out, and this might surprise some of you, is it surprised me, but an old moldy apple does not equate to applesauce. At least I don't think so. Maybe you've got to add some other ingredients, vinegar, sugar, I don't know. But that is going to conclude this solo episode. If you loved it, if you hated it, let me know what you'd like to see,

what you'd like to hear, what I could do differently. Like I said, this is just going to be a learning process for us all, especially me. It's weird sitting in a room talking to two cameras with no one to bounce ideas off of, no one to continue the conversation. I've got podcasts that I've listened to that people do solo and I like them. I don't think I was anywhere near being likable, but maybe it was tolerable to the point where it could be something I do every now and then. So let us know we got a couple things that I need from you guys. One, it's come up with a name, two, got to come up with a motto, and three, write me and leave me some voice memos of things you want to talk about, stories, anything funny that happens to you.

something. Give me something to go off of. I may record another one of these in the next couple days. That way we have two. And Macy, once again, I am sorry that you have to sit through this. Let me know how it is. Were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought? I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul. That's it. See you guys next time. Out in the mountains, there's no room for wheat gear. When I'm packing out meat in the heat or loading up for a long-range training trip, I need a cooler that holds the line every time. That's why I use grisly coolers.

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