Project Blue Beam, Fake Alien Invasions & FAKE UFO Disclosure
00:00 In 1994, a French-Canadian journalist in Quebec gave a talk that claimed that NASA and the United Nations had a plan to fool the entire world. Step one, fake archaeological discoveries that would break the world's religions. Step two, a light show in the sky. Jesus, the Prophet Muhammad, Buddha, Krishna projected over every country all merging into one single deity. Step three, a voice inside your head, speaking your own language telling you that it was God. and that all religions have been misunderstood. And then, of course, step four, a fake alien invasion over every major city on Earth.
00:37 And the goal of this whole plan is pretty simple. A New World Order. Two years after he gave that talk, the same journalist was arrested, held overnight, and dead within 24 hours. Most people wrote them off as crazy. But over the last few years, governments have started talking openly
00:51 about non-human intelligence, releasing UFO files, and holding hearings on objects in the sky that no one can identify. And every time it happens, gets connected back to one thing. This is the story of Project Bluebeam. So, sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. What's up, dude, and welcome back to camp. My name is Mark Gagnon, and thank you for joining me in my tent, where every single week we explore the most interesting,
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02:51 You can follow the tickets at Mark Gagnon Live. Now let's jump in to Project Bluebeam. Where does it all begin? Well, in order to understand the story and lay it all out, we've got to go all the way back to Quebec, to my home city, so to speak. I'm not from there or born there, but both my parents are French-Canadian, so I feel a strong kindred connection to this specific man, and his name is Serge Monast. I'll call him Serge for the rest of this, or Manast. He was born in Quebec in 1945, and he wasn't a scientist or a whistleblower. He actually started writing like poetry and essays, and he was also an active member
03:24 of the Social Credit Party of Canada. They believe that too much power was held by too few people. Not a very controversial take. I mean, it's a pretty safe bet if you're like, hey, banks are corrupt. That's been true forever. What? Yeah, I know, right? Regardless. But by the late 1980s, early 1990s, Manas had moved fully into what he called investigative journalism. And he founded his own news outlet called the International Free Press Agency. And he started publishing works on secret societies, the New World Order, and what he saw as a like a impending global dictatorship. Basically, the guy was super based and pretty sick. Okay, let me just put it that
04:02 way. He also appeared on a Quebec, SOTOM. Tertic TV program hosted by infamous uophologist called Richard Glenn, which really helped kind of fuel this entire theory. But his most famous piece of work came out in 1994, and it was titled Project Blue Beam, parentheses, NASA. Now, one thing we got to establish up front, Manasse never produced a leaked document or named a whistleblower or a government file for any of this. Okay, so just in the interest of being fully transparent on what this theory is, this basically
04:31 comes entirely from his own writing and his own talks. And maybe he was pulling in sources sort of anonymously, but he doesn't ever really name them. And no one even really knows why it's called Blue Beam. It's mostly a callback to Project Blue Book, which is a whole other thing. I think we've touched on in different episodes, but he never really explains the name, okay? Now, Manasse's argument was essentially this. A world government can't survive on force alone. You can't just beat people into submission over the entire planet.
04:56 You need belief, and you need people to want this new world order. They can't just accept it. They have to desire it. And the biggest obstacle to that, in his view, is traditional religion, right? You have billions of Christians and Muslims and Jews and Buddhists, and they are all loyal to something that is older and, in their opinion, bigger than any government on earth. So according to Manast, the plan was not to fight religion. It was to replace it with new age religion. But every religion needs a leader. And in his view, the leader of this religion would be the Antichrist. Now, he breaks it down into four steps. Okay, this is how he explains. The first step is to break up the past. Okay, so how do you break up the past? Monast claimed that the first step would basically be artificially triggering earthquakes at specific locations around the world. But then those earthquakes would uncover discoveries, which, in his opinion, was actually just planted evidence designed to show that the core doctrines of every major religion has been misunderstood for thousands of years.
05:51 Essentially, the goal is to make believers doubt their own scriptures. So Manast even claimed that Hollywood and like the institutional sort of like filmmaking world was helping prepare people for the plan. So he claimed that like 2001 a Space Odyssey by Kubrick and then Star Trek and Star Wars, even Jurassic Park were created to make audiences more comfortable with the idea that would later be used to undermine their own religious beliefs. Step two would be the space show. Now the second phase is the part that everyone remembers. Manasse basically describes a gigantic space show. There's no other way to use it. That's the word that he uses, which is basically giant three-dimensional images and sound projected into the sky all over.
06:32 the planet all at once. But get this. It's not just going to be like a hologram of Jesus that everyone sees. Each region would see a different image based on its dominant religion. So, you know, if you're in America, you might see Jesus Christ. But if you're in the Gulf countries, if you're in Saudi, you might see the Prophet Muhammad. If you're over in, I don't know, like if you're in India, you might see Krishna or Shiva or Vishnu or some other deity. And the idea was to make people everywhere believed that their own religious figure had appeared in the sky. Then over time, the separate images would merge into one figure, into a new Messiah who would then explain that every religion had actually just been talking about him all along. But like, hey, Christians, Muslims,
07:12 Hindus, Jews, you guys are all on the right path. You guys are all touching different parts of the elephant. But actually, I am the whole elephant. I am the entire thing that you guys were seeking the whole time. Now, the English version that circulated online got very specific about how this can happen. So it claimed that the sky itself would be used as like a movie screen. And that basically like there's a sodium layer about like 60 miles up. And then with laser generating satellites, you could basically project images to every nation on earth. Basically coordinated by like computers and software that according to Manast was already in place. Now, of course, back when this was first proposed, everyone thought the technology was just
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10:11 their mind in their own language. And if you remember our Council of Nine episode, that elf idea, the extreme low-frequency kind of wave thing, it's not new. So Andriha Puharic believe, that telepathy traveled on these elf waves back in the 1950s. So Manas was kind of taking the same idea and then sort of flipping it, that it wasn't a psychic receiving a signal, but it was a government that was sending one in order to program the citizens. And then step four, this is the big one. All right, this is the final and the best step. This is what Manasse called the universal supernatural manifestation. And it would be carried out by using electronics. And they basically broke it into three parts within this final step. First, fake alien invasion. This one's pretty obvious, right? People would
10:51 be convinced that every major city on earth was about to be attacked and the threat would be so real that nations would turn their weapons on these supposed invaders. The second is a fake rapture. So the Christians would be made to believe that the faithful were being taken up to earth just as they had been waiting for. So in Manas version, they would be, you know, they'd basically believe that the forces that were taking them were good and that this was their salvation. And then, of course, you have the third step within this final step, which was the fake, demonic, and supernatural activity. So Manasse claimed that electronic signals would make people feel that terrifying supernatural forces had like entered their homes and that they were haunting them. He said that it would happen through fiber optic cables and phone lines already connected to people's houses.
11:32 So the fear wouldn't just come from what people saw in the sky. It would literally be like haunting them and following them home. And then at the end of these four steps, the goal was basically that you would have a terrified, confused population with no trust left in religion and no trust left in like their own. senses and they would be ready to accept anything that came along. A new government, a one faith to basically control everything. And that is Project Blue Beam. So in 1995, Manas followed Project Blue Bean with a second publication called the Protocols of Toronto, which claimed that in 1967, a group of powerful media and financial figures met in Toronto and laid out a plan to basically gain control of the public through entertainment and information. Now, that title might
12:18 sound familiar if you've ever heard of the protocols of the elders of zion which was like a super old like forged document from the early 1900s claiming that like jews had a plot for like world domination that connection is a big reason that many researchers have been suspicious of menace work they're like oh are you just like pulling on like this older kind of work that's you know claiming that there's going to be like global domination from like a small group and then came the end of his story and this is where the documented facts and the believers kind of start to split So here's what's generally agreed upon. Manasse was arrested in Montreal in like early December in 1996 and he was held for about 24 hours. Around the same time, Quebec authorities reportedly
12:58 took his children into care over a dispute about homeschooling. They claimed that keeping the children out of school for the amount of time that he was doing it was harming them. And then on December 5th, 1996, roughly a day after his release, Manast reportedly died at home from a heart attack. but the supporters of his theory and the people that, you know, kind of surrounded him, his followers believed that there was more to it. They said the Manast had received repeated threats and had told people in writing that he didn't expect to survive whatever was coming at him. And they believed that his children had been taken in order to pressure him into giving up on his research.
13:33 And they also claimed that another journalist investigating Bluebeam died of a heart attack in Ireland within just a few weeks of Manass's death and that neither man had a history of any type of heart condition or heart disease. But some took the claim even further. They believe that Monast's heart attack had been deliberately triggered by the same technology he had been warning about. And now, just to be clear, the second journalist that died in Ireland based off the story has never been named in any type of source that I could find. And there's no public evidence that Monast was like killed. You know, like obviously with these kinds of things, it's like, well, you can't really tell if he was killed. We know that there are like different types of weapons that would be like a, what are they call a heart attack gun.
14:10 where you can like hit someone with a certain type of poison, it can like go through their bloodstream and it looks like a heart attack, but actually they were murdered. Now again, it hasn't been like definitively proven that that's the case, but that is what the believers of this theory have claimed. Now, the idea that Project Blue Beam proposes isn't really new.
14:26 The concept of uniting humanity by faking an outside threat has been around for decades in fiction, even in like policy circles and like even presidents have talked about it. For example, in 1963, an episode of the Outer Limits called The Architects of Fear basically follows a group of scientists who surgically transform one of their own into an alien. And the plan is to stage a fake landing, terrify the world, and then force the superpowers to stop the arms race in order to unite against a common enemy. And then in 1967, there's a book called
14:55 Report from Iron Mountain. And it basically was presented as like a leaked government study on what would happen if war just disappeared. And one of the ideas claimed that you would need a substitute for war. That would be, you know, something that everyone could rally around. And in the book it proposes a credible threat from extraterrestrial life, basically claiming that something could keep populations obedient without actual combat, and it could be a force from outer space. Now, a few years later, an author named Leonard Lewin admitted that he wrote the book kind of as like satire, but a lot of people just read it and believed that it was actually real. And then in 1979, of course, the infamous Jacques Valet, one of the most respected UFO researchers
15:34 in the world, published a book called Messengers of Deception. And in it, Valet argued that UFO belief could be exploited by groups wanting to manipulate the public and that it had already kind of formed like a new kind of religion. And that's 15 years before Manast actually wrote Project BlueBame. And then of course you have Ronald Reagan. In 1985 at the Geneva summit, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States told Mikhail Gorbachev that if Earth was threatened by an invasion from another planet, the U.S. and the Soviet Union would drop their differences and joined forces. And then in 1997, two years after speaking to Gorbachev, Reagan was speaking to the United Nations and he essentially retold the same statement. Basically that, hey, our differences worldwide would vanish
16:15 if we were facing alien threat from outside this world. So, when Manas published Project Blue Beam in 1994, this concept of like aliens threatening humanity and uniting everyone had already appeared on like network TV and in like faked government studies and books and, you know, at top UFO researchers work and then, of course, a sitting U.S. president speaking at the United Nations. But what Manast added was the religious layer. And the idea that the endgame wasn't just like world peace. It was world worship. So in 2001, the story gets a new witness.
16:48 At the Disclosure Project Press Conference organized by Dr. Stephen Greer, a woman named Carol Rosen stepped up to the microphone. Now, Rosen had been a spokesperson for Varner von Braun, the Nazi engineer who came to America during Operation Paperclip and actually created the Saturn 5 rocket and took us to the moon. Now, she claimed that Von Braun, warned her about a sequence of events. Basically, a list of enemies that would be presented to the public one after another to
17:14 simply justify building weapons in space. First, the Russians. Basically, this is the enemy that America faced during the Cold War and who we were afraid of ever since World War II. And then terrorists, which believers, you know, connect to the fear that came after 9-11 and obviously all the Middle Eastern, you know, geopolitical, you know, military theater. And then next would be third world country crazies. basically leaders that we would call like rogue nations.
17:39 And then, of course, asteroids threatening Earth, and then finally, aliens. But according to Rosen, Von Braun warned that her final threat would be a hoax. But he wouldn't give her details as to how this would be pulled off. But remember, this is just Rosin's account. There's no known written record from Von Braun confirming that he said it. This is just her testimony, having alleged that she worked with him. Now, the timing is another thing that gets people's attention. Rosen publicly told this story in May of 2001.
18:07 This is four months before September the 11th. And this is before terrorism became like the focus of all the American wars and security policy for the next two decades. Now, granted, there was operations in the Gulf states in the 90s. So, you know, maybe that thread was there. And terrorism was a fear that people had prior to 9-11. But after 9-11, it became massive within the zeitgeist of America and then the world. Now, that detail doesn't prove her story.
18:33 but it does help explain why this list keeps coming up in discussions of Project Bluebeam. So this brings us to the obvious question. Is any of this technically possible? And this is where it gets really interesting because this is, you know, you have to think when the theory was first proposed, like, hey, there's pretty much no way we can pull this off. But now, more than the 30 years later, the military has slowly revealed way more advanced technology. And even just looking around, we can see the technology all around us, right? I mean, Asth originally writes this in the 90s.
19:02 And then 30 years after he describes Project Bluebeam, we have AI-generated videos and cloned voices and software that can put words into someone's mouth that they never said. But how close does that actually get to what he described? Well, let's start with something that sounds like it came straight out of his theory. So in 1999, a senior Air Force officer supposedly told military analyst William Arkin that something extraordinary happened in 1990 after Iraq invaded Kuwait. and the officer claimed that they debated on projecting an image of a law over Baghdad to urge the Iraqi people and the military to turn against Saddam Hussein. And then in 1997 before this idea of a projection over Baghdad was even revealed, the U.S. Air Force Academy published a paper listing a concept called hologram profit. And basically it's a paper that listed non-lethal weapons. And it basically described projecting an ancient god over an enemy capital while taking over its public communications.
19:58 But the document has a collection of ideas. It's not necessarily something that the military had actually built. But either way, there was a very real government document claiming a holographic profit was a legit war tactic. Now, today, there's another way to approach that same question. Would you need everyone to see something in the sky? Or would you just need one person to see something and everyone else just believe in the videos? And that takes us to AI. I mean, obviously, right?
20:24 Like, I feel like you probably knew that that's where this was kind of going. So the FTC has warned about AI being used to impersonate people and deceive the public, but imagine how that might actually play out. You see a clip of an enormous craft over a city, and then another video appears supposedly filmed from a different street, and then there's an audio recording claim to be a leaked military conversation, and you haven't seen it yourself, but you've seen what looks like three separate independent pieces of evidence, and now you're genuinely concerned.
20:51 That's just a hypothetical example, but it shows how a modern version of this idea could spread through social media and on people's screens before anyone established what actually happened. But as we mentioned, Manasse's theory goes deep and way deeper than just holograms. He claimed that technology could make people hear voices inside their own minds. And what's crazy is that this is a real phenomenon called the microwave auditory effect, also known as the fray effect. And under certain conditions, short pulses of microwave energy can make someone perceive clicks
21:19 or buzzing that sound like it's coming from inside their own mind. but hearing clicks under experimental conditions is a long way from actually like receiving a clear personal message from God. You know, the fray effect also involves microwaves, not the extreme like low frequency waves that Manas described. But, you know, there's been many reports. I mean, we've talked about like, you know, like little chips you can put inside your, inside your molars or like jawbone technology where like there's nothing even in your ears but just vibrations against your skull and it sounds like it's coming from inside your head. You ever had that toothbrush that played music? No. You never saw that? No, I'd love to. That was awesome. I had that as a kid. And basically it was a toothbrush that played a song. And then when you brush your teeth, like, you couldn't hear it when the toothbrush was on. But once you put in your mouth, it would vibrate in your head and you could hear the song. So you can't hear it outside of your mouth. Yeah, like, you would vaguely hear like a little like humming. Like I think I had like, I might have like a Jones Brothers one to be honest. Wait, you could put whatever song you wanted on it? No, it came pre-programmed the song. But like, I think I had like, you know, it would just be like, and then you put. And then you put it. You could put whatever song. You know, it would just be like, and then you put. And then you put. You put. put in your mouth and it's like, I've been to the year 3,000. That would make me brush my teeth
22:26 more. That absolutely did. That's the reason I have any teeth to that. Now, it's a real technology. It's a thing that could happen. I mean, how exactly? We don't know these specifics, but I don't think it's crazy that the government could just like send a voice into your head. I don't know. Maybe that's, I'm off on that, but that's my feeling. Now, that brings us to Havana syndrome. So beginning in 2016, American agents in Cuba began reporting weird experiences and symptoms, things like sudden sounds, pressure in their head, dizziness, vertigo, problems with, like, concentration. One study determined that it could have been caused from directed pulse radio frequency, but it never established that a weapon had actually been used.
23:02 But the thing is, we know that this technology exists. Our own military has admitted that it has directed energy weapons. I've actually talked to Mark Polymeropolis, former CIA officer, who claims that he's a victim of Havana syndrome and that I forget exactly where he was. I think he was in Russia. And just, like, woke up in the middle of the night feeling, like he got hit by a truck and has been like chronically ill ever since. It's pretty crazy. Now, again, none of that establishes the ability to transmit thoughts or like control someone's
23:30 mind or beliefs. So where exactly does that leave Project Blue Beam? Well, there are real military papers describing holographic profits, real technology that can make fake recordings look really, really convincing and real weapons that produce directed energy and in some capacity could probably put like at least clicks, if not actual like voices in your head. Now you put all that together it doesn't mean that Manast was right, but it does leave us with a question worth thinking about. If something like this happened to you, maybe a UFO shows up on your way to work,
23:58 or you hear a voice in your head saying that, hey, this is God, I'm talking to you, or you even just see the God that you believe in the sky, would that convince you that it was real or not? Now, one of the most interesting pieces of the entire Project Bluebeam theory is the one-world religion aspect. And this usually gets less attention than the holograms,
24:16 but given the recent connections that people are making with UFOs and angels and demons, I think that we need to address it. So in 2008, the Vatican's chief astronomer. Yeah, the Vatican has a whole like astronomy department. They even have like a straight up like astronomy site in Arizona where like they're just looking at the stars. Pretty wild.
24:35 But the chief astronomer, this guy, Father Jose Gabriel Fuenez, he gave an interview to the Vatican's own newspaper saying that believing in God and believing in intelligent life didn't conflict with one another. He even said that like if there's extraterrestrials out there and they're talking to us, They could be our brother. And then in 2019, Religious Studies Professor Diana Walsh Pesulka published American Cosmic, arguing that belief in UFOs and non-human intelligence is functioning more and more like a new religion, with its own revelations, its own believers, and its own versions of beings coming from the sky.
25:07 And then there's the UFO community itself. Believers in Bluebeam often point out that the most influential channeled texts of the last century from Theosophy's Hidden Masters, the Council of Nine, the raw material. we've done episodes on all those. They basically all tell the same story. Hey, advanced beings created or guided humanity or injected their DNA into humanity and the gods of ancient religions
25:30 were actually those beings and they are eventually going to come back. Now recently, the connection between UFOs and religion has reached even bigger audiences. I mean, for example, Tucker Carlson has suggested the phenomena could be spiritual and JD Vance has said that he thinks so-called aliens could even be demons.
25:47 And then, of course, representative Anna Paulina Luna has referred to them as interdimensional beings and tells people to look into the book of Enoch in stories of fallen angels. Now, they aren't all making the same argument or telling people like, hey, worship aliens or like aliens or like literally demons. Well, I guess J.D. Vance kind of proposed that. But to a blue bean believer, the overlap is what matters. Major public figures are not asking whether what we call aliens today could be connected to beings described in ancient religious texts. Think like the watchers from the book of Benak or, you know, the Sumerians, you know, Anunaki.
26:20 So, if people can be convinced that their religions misunderstood those being for centuries, a blue beam believer could see that as preparation for a deception that Monast himself described in 1994. Now, let's just walk through what's actually happened within the UFO space over the last decade in order, because this is why Project Bluebeam never went away and probably will never go away. December 2017, this is like the moment everything explodes. The New York Times reveals the Pentagon had been running a secret program studying unidentified aerial phenomena called atyp.
26:52 And this is when we get the Navy videos of objects like the Tic Tac or the Gimble or, you know, the GoFast video that came out a few months later in March of 2018. All of that footage, like just completely breaks like the Internet when it comes to the UFO space. And then in June of 2021, U.S. intelligence released a preliminary report on 144 UAP sightings from military personnel, and it could only explain one of them. And then in 2022, the Pentagon created a permanent office to investigate UAP. They call us the all-domain anomaly resolution office or arrow for short. And then stuff gets really serious. So in July of 2023, David Grush testified under oath before Congress that the U.S. have recovered craft of non-human origin along with what he called non-human biologics.
27:38 And then that same year, Chuck Schumer and Senator Mike Rounds introduced the UAP Disclosure Act. This is basically like a bill that literally uses the phrase non-human intelligence in actual federal legislation. And then a year later, November 13th, 2024, another hearing was held and the name Immaculate Constellation came into question. This is allegedly a secret program created in 2017 to gather high-quality UFO videos and photos and sensor data collected by the military and its intelligence agencies. And then just one month after the hearing in December of 2024, there are these. like massive drones that are reported over New Jersey and across the northeast for weeks. But the federal government never really gave a straight answer as to what it was or what's flying over New York City or New Jersey. And the White House simply says that the drones were authorized
28:26 by the FAA for research and other purposes. And while that debate is still going on, another story breaks. So in January of 2025, Air Force veteran and helicopter pilot Jake Barber appeared in a News Nation special claiming that he had helped recover objects that he believed were non-human technology. One of them, he said, looked like a white egg. Now, Barber described retrieving the object beneath a helicopter, and News Nation even aired footage of it presented as a recovery of an egg-shaped object. Now, the footage didn't establish what the object was or where it came from, but the story gave people something very different. This is a man saying that he had personally helped recover one of these objects. And so by September 2025, the subject was back before Congress
29:09 in yet another hearing. But this time, George Knapp was with military witness. to discuss UAP encounters and secrecy and the risk facing people who came forward. Lawmakers also saw footage presented as showing an orb off Yemen being struck by a missile and then continuing to move. And during that same hearing, Representative Nancy Mace asked whether any of this could be a psychological operation by the U.S. government, and NAPS. said that that possibility had been considered. So even inside Congress, people are asking, hey, is it possible that some of the stuff that the public is being told is a deliberate deception? Hey, guys, we're going to take a break really quick because I want to give a quick shout out to one of our sponsors. This episode is brought to you by
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31:06 to an alleged egg-shaped craft recovery and then another congressional hearing, and then a government website releasing UFO files. And that's not even to mention like David Fraver or Bob Lazar and all of his interviews. So all of this stuff is happening all at once. So to disclosure supporters, there are developments that are worth investigating. And all of it is right in front of us. But to Blue Beam believers, they looked more like signs like the public was being prepared for something,
31:34 some type of grand deception. So now the big question is this. Are we currently experiencing Project Blue Beam? Well, some say yes, but the steps are happening in a different order than Manas had suggested. He imagined earthquakes and, you know, planted historical evidence and sky shows and voices and invasions all happening quickly. But believers argue that the real version is very slow and very quiet and deliberate. First, you get the public comfortable with the idea that aliens might be real. You know, maybe you put out some Hollywood movies that show aliens and, you know, you get the conversation
32:06 really bubbling within, you know, the zeitgeist culturally. And then you get Congress. to say non-human intelligence on the record. And then you release some files. And then you wait for an event. It's also interesting that the language has changed. UFO became UAP. And then aliens became non-human intelligence. To some people, that's not just random.
32:27 A believer would say that non-human intelligence is broad enough to include aliens, interdimensional beings, angels, demons, which is the exact kind of uncertainty that a new world religion would need. But then, of course, there's the skeptical side. Manasse four steps were very specific. You have earthquakes causing confusion, images of religious figures in the sky, voices in people's heads,
32:49 you know, staged invasions of all these cities. But none of that has really happened, not at least in the way that he described. Disclosure so far has looked like, you know, a government hearing over here, a whistleblower over there, a PDF that gets released of a government document, a grainy infrared video, an official saying that they found evidence of alien life. And then you have whistleblowers coming out saying the exact opposite. it. So to be honest, Project Bluebeam is pretty much unfalsifiable, right? Like if disclosure happens, people claim, hey, it's Project Blue Beam. If it doesn't happen, people claim that the government is still preparing us for Project Blue Beam. If officials say, hey, there's no evidence of aliens, that's a cover story. And if they say that there is, that's a setup. So the theory is kind of
33:29 perfect. It fits every outcome, and it can't really be tested. But maybe the most interesting thing is the third possibility, that the phenomenon is real, whatever it is. You know, Like there's something happening. Maybe it's interdimensional. Maybe it's extraterrestrial. And that governments genuinely don't understand it. And that the idea of Bluebeam, the belief that any disclosure must be fake, could end up being the most effective way to make sure that the public never takes the real thing seriously.
33:55 Which, if you think about it, it's kind of its own type of sci-op. So to wrap all this up, you got Serge Minas. He gives a talk in 1994. He dies in 1996 without ever producing a hard document. document, but look at all the pieces that you can connect to it. The U.S. military wrote down a weapon called hologram profit. A former defense spokesperson said that von Braun warned about an alien invasion with a very sort of, you know, clear sequence. A president told the United Nations that an alien threat could unite the entire world. A former intelligence officer told Congress that we have
34:29 non-human craft and non-human biologics. And now the government is publishing UFO files on a public government website. Yet, none of that proves Project Blue Beam is real. But it does explain why 30 years later, every time something unexplained shows up in the sky, a lot of people's first question isn't like, what is that? They ask, is this a real thing that I'm looking at? And that, my friends, is the story of Project Blue Beam. I mean, it's fascinating. I kind of like Project Bluebin, to be honest with you. It's also the best name out of all of them. Yeah, it's a good one. I think he probably pulled it from Project Blue Book, because that's another, like, no one cares about books mark that's a good point that is a good point and we will uh i think we need to do a
35:10 whole episode on project blue book which is a its own fascinating kind of uh deep dive i think we've touched on it but i don't think we've done a whole episode watch this one again yeah just watch run this back you're probably right it's a good theory i kind of like it because for me it's easier to believe that like the government's trying to like manipulate and uh you know destroy us than it is for me to believe the like aliens are like literally coming down all the time it also gives us the playbook of like, we're going to do this and then we're going to open it up and people are going to be more familiar with it. And also it feels like pretty good. I mean like for example like von Braun's like his, the way he lays his out is like pretty solid. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like his I actually
35:49 think is like his sequence I actually think is like pretty like I could kind of like fit how it's happening. You know he says like okay we're going to have all these enemies that are presented to the public. First we have Russians. We saw that happen. And then we have terrorists. I mean And yeah, that's obvious. And then you have third world country crazies. I mean, that's happening right now. Right? Like every news broadcast is like, look at these crazy people coming in from the third world.
36:16 They're invading Europe. They're invading America. We got Haitians eating cats. Well, I don't know. Locals don't like them either. That's what I'm saying. Like, there's so much fervor around that idea. And then asteroids threatening Earth.
36:27 So that's the one that we're waiting for. But we know that Apophis is going to come real close. Yep. That's another big asteroid. It's going to be like the size of. like the Rose Bowl, basically. It's like a massive, like stadium-sized asteroid. It's going to come, like, within like a few thousand miles of Earth.
36:39 I don't want to give too much away, but we talked to someone who said that it could be catastrophic. Yeah, I did talk with a NASA researcher that said that it could be bad. We're not going to tell you his name yet. We'll put the episode out. He explains all that at some point soon. But that would be like the next one. And then you have finally aliens, but the aliens are fake.
36:59 Like, you can kind of see that happening a little bit now. Like, it seems like. And the fact that she said that in, like, May of 2001, it's kind of prophetic. I mean, granted, again, the Russian thing, obviously had already happened. The terrorist thing was bubbling up. The third world crazy thing, I wonder if that's just like a safe bet, but I don't know. She kind of nailed that. And then the alien thing, or then the asteroid thing, then the alien thing.
37:21 But I don't know. I think that there's something to this. I actually, I do feel that, like, the UFO space has become a religion. And that people are, like, meeting up because, like, they feel community. They want to, like, get close to other people that are, like, actually seeing stuff that they want to see stuff, they want to be inducted or initiated into like this new sort of religious philosophy. And the best way to do that is if you have your own experience,
37:41 that's basically like your testimony. Like Christians talk about this all the time. Like what's your testimony? Like when did Christ like, when did you fully give your life to Christ? And it's like a big moment where like you talk about like, well, I was in a dark place and I prayed and I saw this vision. And like that was like my connection with Jesus Christ. Witnessing a UFO is kind of your testimony.
38:01 And then all the UFO meetups are kind of. of like church. And then like every new like every like big UFO person in the space is kind of like a prophet or like a pastor. And you kind of like follow a few of them and you kind of like read their books and you see their podcast and like you kind of like understand the information that way. And it kind of has become its own religion. Now is that on purpose? Is that just a natural human phenomenon to kind of like collectivize and like create purpose out of the unknown? I don't know. Yeah. But it does have a lot of religious elements to it, which is part of the reason why I'm so fascinated by the topic. Now let me ask you this. Go ahead. 33-95. Oh, the Hannah Montana
38:39 Turbo Toothbrush. There's also High School Musical, which I got my first computer virus because of. Really? Yeah. What happened? You download a High School Musical? It was more about someone in High School Musical. Wait a second. Vanessa Hudgens? Yes. No way. Yeah. And you try to like, you try to watch it and then you got it. There's an alleged video going around. Wait a second. And I had to explain to my sister's boyfriend, now husband at the time, who's like a computer guy, why we got the virus or how. And he was like, just tell me. You downloaded a CD tape from the internet and got a virus on your computer? Yes.
39:17 You're just a class A gunner, dude. Vanessa Hudgens was number one for a long time. You disgusted me. I'm just saying. I mean, it's an interesting theory here. I'm like, I kind of believe that there is an element of deception and sciop going around around the fervor. I think a lot of like the UAP releases from like the Trump administration is it kind of a part of that. I don't think Trump takes a serious.
39:38 I don't think he thinks that there's aliens. I don't think he even cares. But is that because he knows that it's not a threat or because he's just normalized to it now that he has all the access to the files? I think he, I don't even think he has access to the files. I don't think the president knows anything. Well, Obama said he did. Obama said that there's aliens on like the Fermi paradox. He's like there's definitely aliens out there statistically.
39:59 Oh. But he didn't say like, oh, I've seen him. And he kind of like walked back his statements that he had on that podcast. But I don't think they let the president in on that personally. I think like deep state's got to control that because the president's going to be out in four years. And they might go see an aisle and then write a book or some crazy shit, you know? That gets to him before he did that. Maybe. But all that is say, like we just disclosed like the U.S. government has weapons in space. Did you see that? We had kind of known it for a while,
40:24 but they recently just like came out. So September 2026, they confirmed for the first time that they deployed an orbit space control weapon. Think about that. Former U.S. Secretary Troy Mank and U.S. Space Force leadership revealed the deployment of airspace at the airspace and cyber conference. And the systems are designed to protect joint military forces and critical satellite infrastructure from hostile actions by adversaries like China and Russia. They didn't disclose the specific weapon types or the timelines, but they did say, like, yeah,
40:56 we have a strategic deterrence advantage, and that's what this operation is about. So we have space weapons. Mm-hmm. Like that is confirmed. It's pretty crazy. Like the 1967 outer space treaty strictly bans nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction in orbit, but it doesn't outlaw conventional anti-satellite or like space control technology weapons. So all that to say, the technology monas lays out is like kind of accurate.
41:23 Like we can project images in the sky. We can probably like put voices in people's heads into some. capacity. Like, I even think low-key, like, some of, like, the crazy people you see up in the news doing, like, terrible things. I bet you they got some voices going on. Oh, yeah. Who are those voices coming from? Maybe it's a delusion. Maybe it's a little government like, hey, what if this bad thing happened, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. Who knows? And then, I mean, you have all that kind of stuff cooking. And then on top of that, you're able to do, like, drones and put these, like, crazy things up in the sky, plus an AI video here and there. I think there's some, I think there's
41:59 Something to this. It's crazy that his Serge Menace name isn't more well known. Well, again, you've got to think he's not like, he's not like a follower of like the UFO space. He's kind of saying like, hey, all this UFO is actually a sci-op. Right. Which I think there's a lot of truth to that. Not all of it. You know, I'm sure there's some UFO stuff that's like legit.
42:19 But the way that's used and then manipulated later, I think there's something to it. I don't know. What do you guys think? If you've, if you know more about this, if you've read the whole Project Bluebeam, Please let me know. Drop a comment. If there's anything I missed, please let me know if there's anything that would be, you could contribute to this conversation that I didn't bring up already. Please drop a comment, YouTube, Spotify. Read all of them. Also, great news. If you like religious content, you know, we talked about one world of religion today. And we talked a little bit, you know, touching on like Hinduism and Islam and Christianity. Well, great news. We have religion camp. Where we just drop religious episodes every single Sunday trying to understand what everyone believes and why every religion is interesting. Also, we have history camp. That's where we deep dive on all the craziest historical figures of all time, them interesting. the controversial, the good, the bad, the ugly. You can check all that out at History Camp.
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