Cancelled with Tana Mongeau & Brooke Schofield - 53: Jojo Siwa’s WILD interaction with Miley Cyrus, How much money she makes, and more! - Ep.53

Episode Date: September 22, 2023

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operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Hello and welcome back to the Cancelled Podcast. Today we have a guest that I never thought we would have. And I definitely do not think the cancelled podcast audience is expecting Miss Jojo Siwa. And it's such a surprise because it's like, well first of all, today we have Jojo Siwa. Oh hi, I'm here. Icon, living legend, I can't even describe you in a few words and that's what I want to get into today. It's actually, that's one of my favorite things is like seeing what tv shows or articles or whatever will like describe me as I did this award show and it was like Jojo Siwa American dancer and author I was

like valid nailed it sometimes it's like Jojo Siwa social media sensation and pop star I'm like valid I swear to god like she was just asking um who our favorite guests are like you're up there because it's like I dm'd you like two nights ago and I was like will you come on canceled yeah and you were like yes and then you were like how does like Sunday work and I was like there's no way like in two days just immediate like down and it's just yeah I think this is the perfect time for you to come yeah the thing is is like you know this like I've loved you for forever and you've asked me to do a few things yeah like I've wanted to do yeah one of them specifically I remember was a

weed commercial I don't know how to talk about you try to get Jojo in a week I tried to get Jojo to be in the Tannibus commercial smoking with me but that's when I was just wrote I was really ambitious and I really yeah and for a second I was like oh my god this would be hilarious like but then like obviously we both were like no you know what it's not right like and then you were and I really admire that. Yeah, and for a second, I was like, oh my God, this would be hilarious. But then obviously we both were like, no, you know what, it's not right. It's too far. And then you were like,

what if you were respectful about it too, and you were like, well, you could say something in it that's like, hey, this is bad. You know what I mean? We tried to find it. But it was just too far. It just never aligned. But now I'm crossing into adult world, and now I'm okay to be an adult.

Not that I wasn't't before but it's more just like i've been on my own timeline and it's like now i can i think child can come on canceled and hope for the best i told her she can cut anything out i was like i can't imagine being her and like pulling up in a rainbow fucking lamborghini outside like terrified like it's you can cut anything you want truthfully i pulled up and i pulled up and I was like, finally, I can go. I'm so motherfucking excited to have you on today. And I have, I've known you literally forever. And that's why I always ask you things like that. Because I've always known, like, how you are as a person.

You know what I mean? But you kind of had to slowly ease into showing the world so much of that. Yeah. I mean, listen, I always, from a young young age have been very mature, very unsheltered, like very open to the world. And nothing that I ever did was fake or was forced or was somebody telling me what to do. I mean, like literally with YouTube, for example, like I came up with, created, filmed, edited and uploaded it all myself. You know what I mean? And so it's like nothing that I did was ever fake or phony or character but I I was young and I was 14 and I was working like a 37

year old yeah but I was filming like a 12 year old you know what I mean and so I was kind of all over the place age-wise but now that I'm'm older, it's like, hey, here's a side of me that, like, is there that no one's seen yet. Enjoy. Did you feel pressured? I feel like child stardom is such an interesting thing because it's like the world wants to view you at this age, like on Dance Moms with a bow in your hair for way longer than that is who you are.

Like, Miley really struggled with that. Demi, like, so many child stars have struggled with that. Did you feel pressure to be a JoJo that you were no longer for a long time? It's so strange because there was moments where I used to tell my mom, this is why child stars go crazy. And anytime I would say that, we would fix whatever the problem was. She's awesome for that. Yeah, my mom's the best.

I love your family. She's my whole family. Yeah, they're all great. They're so funny. they're so funny they're so funny but my mom was always good about being like okay what's going on what don't we like and normally for me it was there's something trying to be forced onto me because I started off on reality tv when I was nine that's where I got my start and then I jumped to social media when I was and like that became my main thing when I was 11 12 and so I've never been like famous for being a character you know so like there was never a box that I was in it was always like let's just navigate growing up you know what I mean you were saying that your mom was very good with that which I'm so grateful for

I have such a like I know so many people who are child stars and like just fucked up shit happened yeah like really like I get chills every time thinking about it like fucks with my head on dance moms did you see a lot of the other girls have moms that like did not move with the same values as yours I've seen a I mean I'm trying to think quickly on dance moms like or just in the child just in general yes like I've seen a lot of moms where I'm just like, oh, you're being what you think a stage mom should be. Yeah, which is dark. And I always say there's a difference between good crazy and bad crazy.

And listen, to be a child star, you do have to have parents that are driven you know what i mean and our stage parents like it's but there is a good crazy and there's a bad crazy tish cyrus beyonce's mom for example like i'm sure miley's mom tish and i can't think of beyonce's mom's name but they're they're a good crazy you know what i mean they're still driving their kids across the country to get to get them to an audition but they're not like yeah yeah but they're not like where this do this be this but there are some bad stage moms I don't want to I don't want to shit on anybody but we've all seen people who have come out and have resented their parents and it's tough like

you just you you you see why and I've had a lot of moments where I'm like, wow, if I didn't have a good family, this is why people go crazy in this position. Because it's so hard. Like, the world sees and knows everything. But nothing at the same time. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Your parents were so good with you, like, coming out.

I went to your pride party. And this is right after you came out. First of all, I have so many stories from that party. We were just talking about downstairs. You throw the best parties. And you always tell me, you're like, 48 hours ago i decided to throw a party and then they'll be like literally they'll be like a circus inside and it's like how did you get a circus we always call it shaking the fruit tree yes and we always say too like sometimes it's better to just plan it last minute

but the pride party specifically it literally i think it was june 1st and i told my mom i was like what are we doing we're not we like we need to have a pride party it's my first pride yeah she's like let's fucking do it and all of a sudden June 3rd we had a pride party how long did they know for before like how long did your parents know my parents so okay so go 2020 right yeah very late 2019 I met a best friend and I specifically like asked this best friend I was like I was 16 she was 15 and I was like so how long have you known you were gay and she was like oh I'm not I'm straight like I have a boyfriend I was like oh no you're gay like come talk to me in six months like you're like she was like the only girl that I like ever knew she was gay and so then she was like what about you are you gay and I was like no no no no and i was like but

like if i was ever to fall in love with a girl like that'd be fine you know what i mean yeah and then six months later she came out to me um as bisexual and i literally straight up said i was like no you're not but we're getting warmer i was like trying to get six more months um and then six more months later i went on a family vacation yeah and she was gonna was it on a cruise ship it was it on a cruise ship it was not on a cruise ship it was in disney world jojo has this thing where she like something insane like relationship wise always happens to her on a cruise always on a cruise ship always on a cruise ship and disney world um anyway so we were going on a family vacation to disney world

my mom was like yo you could bring a friend if you want and i was like okay i want to see if this girl could come same girl same girl yeah and so I knew then she had like officially like come out to me and be like, hey, I think I really only do like girls or I don't really know. And I was like, dude, you don't need to know. Like, it's totally fine. And my parents asked me, they were like, what would you do if she tried to kiss you?

Because we were best friends, but long distance best friends. And I was like, she would never do that. Like got defensive of it. But in my head, I was like, eh, I'd kind of like it. So do you think your parents knew before you yeah like my mom said she knew before your friend yeah and then when we met like met up again it was our first time seeing each other in a year i literally like got in her car because she drove up and i got in her car in the parking lot and was like oh she like i just like i just like felt a feeling i've never felt felt felt felt

before fallen before i don't know she's all of it um and so i was like oh then she asked me straight up she's like do you have a crush on anybody and i was like yeah like yeah you and she was like who and i wouldn't tell her because it was her and i was embarrassed and she was my best friend and she would shit on me and i would shit on her and so I got in my head there's no way she would ever like me yeah so I played the whole I can't tell you game um and then she she was like well is it a boy or a girl she was the first person ever that I said I have a crush on a girl too and so I admitted it to her that I had a crush on a girl so nine days later I end up telling her that it's her. She says she has a crush on me. Whatever.

We have a cute little night. It's fun. The next day, I have to say goodbye to her. Don't know when I'm going to see her again. We just confessed our love for each other. Like, what is this now? And so we're sobbing. I say goodbye to her.

And then I literally get back. I get in the car with my family because I walked her to her car. I'm sobbing back in the car with my family to go to the airport. And my mom goes, you really like her,'t you and i was like i do and my mom was like do you like her as a friend or is more than a friend and i was like more than a friend and my dad was like sick no pregnancy scares and that is how i came out to my parents they're so fucking they were on top of it that was amazing They made it super Super easy for me God I have so many Questions for you

Like that entire story Just like evoked 75 questions Yeah But I guess Your parents were so supportive I feel like your friends Your friend group

They're all so supportive Like you're very lucky Literally called them And saying I kissed a girl That's how I told everybody And that's how you Kind of came out right That's the only reason

Yeah Like it was a TikTok right Yeah so what happened was The Pride House Who Molly Molly Gray is like The leader of reason yeah yeah like it was a tiktok right yeah so what happened was um the pride house who uh molly is molly gray is like the the leader of who i've known dancer yeah yeah so i've known she was on so you think oh my gosh come on knowledge yeah get it so i've known molly since i was eight like i've known her since before my first tv show she's come into my studio like been close for forever um she has a tiktok group

and they came over and we made a tiktok to the ain't it fun ain't it fun and now you're one of us this was like a week after i had fallen in love with a girl like they didn't know i didn't tell anyone i was still like didn't know how to come out to people so i only came out to like super close people so we did that tiktok and then the world kind of speculated and the pride house people molly was like oh my God, we're so sorry. We don't want to push this on you. And I was like, no, no, no. I was like, it's true.

So it's fine. I was like, but now I just got to figure out how to navigate it, what I want to do. Because I wanted to come out to the world. I wasn't ashamed of it. I just didn't know how. So then I made a TikTok to, I told my mom, I was like, I could either tease it, confirm it, deny it. And I'm not denying it because it's true.

I can tease with it and see how it goes or I can just straight up confirm it deny it and i'm not denying it because it's true yeah i can tease with it and like see how it goes or i can just straight up confirm it so i decided to kind of test the water so i posted a video of me just like jamming out to born this way and that's what i remember this so vividly this was like a like a really important moment yeah i was in my kitchen i like know where i was i was literally in my kitchen Really? I was eating grapes Continue She's like engraved In your memory So then yeah I posted that

And then the world Kind of speculated more And then like two days later That same day I had posted All my close friends Instagram stories Like tell like my

Like next extended Group of friends I posted that picture Of me wearing the t-shirt Best gay cousin ever That I remember that too And I posted that On my close friends

You're so iconic Like why do i remember the shirt i love it i love it and then like three days later it was the middle of the night i was on facetime with my girlfriend and i wasn't getting good sleep at this time because i would just stay awake reading the internet reading theories about myself it's the worst and i told her i was like you know what i want to post this and i'm like i want to tell the world i want to just post this picture and she was like do it and it was like two in the morning and I was like okay sent and that was it that's amazing that's exactly what it should be and it's so awesome to see that you had so much control over that like

you're you're in your bed you're like I'm gonna post a selfie it's not like a whole team I like it it just wasn't that big of a deal it's like okay well that's what is the problem with coming out like I feel like people feel so pressured like it's a huge thing and it should just be like yeah I never like and this is a thing too that we'll probably get into more I'm sure just as we talk about my life but I never felt young growing up like I remember being 14 being I am 14 like I'm this is like 14 year old should work this is like how it is like I crazy and like same with 16 same with 17 and so to me when I was 17 coming out I was like yeah I'm I'm almost an adult like this is

normal now I look back though being 20 only three years older yeah and I can't imagine how I'm gonna feel in three more years but I look back at myself and I'm like whoa like to be a 17 year old yeah and to just go for it and to have no fear I was like I didn't understand at the time why people are like whoa like that was brave and like i don't know coming out coming out is a brave thing yeah but it shouldn't have to be yeah it should just be a thing you know what i mean like you probably felt like just supported though i feel like a lot of people just don't feel like naturally especially close to you you know it's so weird because i did and i was like this is fucking incredible like the world had shown so much love, so much support.

And then I read comments and it was the opposite. Don't do that. It was so, I remember, I remember vividly, I had like 52,000 comments in 24 hours. Like I had never. And it was like the first two scrolls were like, my friends was like press was like other celebrities. And after that it was was I kid you not if it was 52,000

comments it was 51,800 negative comments and I was just like I'm never gonna let my kid watch you again I'm never gonna buy a bow again burning all my child's bows think about that like all the conservative parents that's sad as fuck that was a moment for me where I was like, oh. And then I realized like, look, if somebody's not going to like me because on the 7th I was straight to their knowledge and on the 8th I was gay to their knowledge. Like, look, I've been gay for the last 17 years at this point. Yeah, like you didn't make this like major change overnight.

And it's not a bad thing, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not... I think it's sick that you, like, doubled. Sorry to cut you off. No, you're fine, you're fine. You just doubled down on it. A lot of people would have been scared in the face of adversity like that and kind of changing everything they know.

And, like, a lot of people also just, you know, they'd want the money over that. You know what I mean? Like, you really stayed true to who you are and everything. Yeah, and that's... I was like, if somebody's gonna go away because I'm happy, then I don't want them to like me anyways there you know what I mean like you really stayed true to who you are and everything yeah and that's I was like if somebody's gonna go away because I'm happy then I don't want them to like me anyways you know what I mean yeah but it's hard because then I'm thinking about all these little kids now that their mom is telling them they can't like me because son you know what I mean your pressure that's not your journey that's you know what I

mean you can't hold the whole world in your hands yeah you were like about not six nine I guess is when you started but you're about to have a fucking not even nine to five how much like how much were you working every day when you started so I did my first tv show when I was nine dance moms was very regulated so while I was on dance moms there's child labor laws that are put in action you can we would work we'd do school from 8 to 11 we'd eat from 8 9 10 11 yeah we'd eat from 11 to 12 we'd film from 12 to 4 we'd have classes for just regular dance from 4 till 10 we'd repeat it the next day but filming yeah that's just the dance world though like that's yeah that's not on camera whether you're on the answer or not yeah yeah but then once i jumped to social media i mean it was all me so i would take two hours to film a video two hours to edit a video two hours to psycho

analyze if my thumbnail was doing good or not and I would some nights stay up and keep refreshing videos to see if in the 60 minute it's gonna boost up and if it's not I'm gonna make a new thumbnail and I'm gonna so there was days mean, where I would work myself. Yeah. Fucking 16 hours. Do you think that affected you like mentally at all? Like obviously it was your choice. Like you were sort of saying my parents were.

And I remember even at like 15, like I was so passionate about it that I would do shit like that. Yeah. But like, do you think that it affected you over time to care about numbers and care about weird shit like too much? There was one night I'll never forget it. We were in New York. We were at the Marriott painting the picture and I was maybe 14

I would say 14 maybe 13 and I was obsessing over a thumbnail with numbers and my mom had never taken anything away from me she never took my phone she'd always joke about it like oh I'll take your phone and I was like do it then I don't get to work for three days like I would always like make shit of it and I was obsessing over a thumbnail and the video wasn't hitting and i was proud of the video and i you know when you like had a video and you're like it's gonna hard feeling and then it just doesn't it's a hard feeling new thumbnail new thumbnail i probably had made like honestly eight new thumbnails just like refreshing to watch the 60 seconds to see if it would get a thousand more like yeah crazy and my mom literally walked up

to me slammed my laptop and took it and she was like you're done she was like it's midnight yeah you I had to be awake in the morning and she was like you have to be awake in the morning we're not gonna obsess over numbers like this and I was like no but you don't understand like I need to and she was like no I do understand and I'm your mom and I've never done this but I'm gonna do it now you're done and I was like's a really, that's like really positive. Yeah. Like really, really good for so many people.

You just said Marriott and I evoked 83 questions because you're Jojo Siwa. Did you, when did you know you were rich? When did you become rich? I can't even, I say it undeniably.

Rich as fuck. When did you know you were rich as fuck? Like, yeah, I literally like her. I just say that to her. She's so fucking humble. Don't even get me started on how humble JoJo is.

So I'm not saying it like she acts like it, but it's like the house, the car, like, you're fucking loaded, bitch, as you should be. When did you know? Did your parents let you know? When did you, you know? Just everything I want to know. I'm trying to think if there's, like,

a specific moment where I was like, ohfully i i won't lie literally like maybe two weeks ago baby you haven't found out how much like we had saved she's in her lamborghini she like sees a prius she's like damn she's like it's good out here no like two weeks ago i like finally processed because okay so i had a coogan account okay oh my god yeah coogan account takes 15 of every penny you make while you're a child and it has to go in their labor laws of california yeah and so my biggest financial income was consistently my youtube and so like i would see that come in every month but then my like big big big like chunkers were uh I made up uh I made up a word today platonism I love platonism I love platonism that's my new word makes sense to me yeah platonism I make up words on this podcast

every week and then there's like 80 tweets about How stupid I am And so My merchandising When those checks Would come in Like whatever Like you knew The bows were bringing in The doughs

Yeah And then Once I got my I'm sorry to cut you off But does the Coogan Apply to like Those situations Or

Everything Oh okay So every And then lots of like Fucked up parents Take their kids Coogan accounts Like I know

Yeah like Jeanette McCurdy's mom No they can't So that's why they Invented Coogan accounts Cause it's the opposite They would take their money And then they were Left with nothing

But wait wasn't it Jeanette McCurdy said That her mom never like Properly filled out The paperwork That also happened That never went That's yeah

Yeah She never set it up properly She didn't Her mom got all the money I mean that's why That's there to try To protect you but some parents still are just shady yeah yeah um so when i turned 18 i could i had to go and get the coogan account like and transfer all the money but i we did it for a minute we waited till i was probably 19 19 and a half like it we

just did all the paperwork because it's a process and once I was able to process like oh this is 15% add 85% of what this is and that's that number from 9 to 18 blew my mind like that was like damn hard work but so worth it giving, but so worth it. Giving up childhood, so worth it. You know what I mean? Like it's tough. Don't get me wrong. Like I've, but I've,

like it's, I don't know. I, I always say like now, like I'm able to do things for others. I'm able to treat others. I'm able to take people on vacation. And you're set for life.

Because I worked so hard. So you get to do what you want to do now. downstairs, like that's your dream. Like you love to be able to do those kinds of things yeah I do when you were like 13 and the bows are on sale like did you know at that point how much it was making or were you kind of like also like your lifestyle yeah you grow up I have so many questions no yeah um my family grew up healthy we didn't grow up I mean we weren't rich we were middle class like yeah my dad was a

chiropractor so he had a great job my mom owned a dance studio so she had a great job my brother went to private school I was homeschooled like we we had a very nice comfortable life but then like there was a point in time where well I was on dance moms you know we we got there and we my mom dropped everything left the studio my dad and brother stayed in Nebraska and we got my first check for being on Dance Moms and we were like no like we can't live off of this for what we're doing and like it wasn't us being shady it was a very very or or greedy I guess is a better word it wasn wasn't us being greedy. It was a very small check. And it was like, we were like, we literally can't do this. Yeah, people don't know that enough.

Like, especially pilot beginning season. You're making no money. You know, you're making nothing and you got to put your time in. And then we did. We made it work. We put our time in and it ended up being good. But then, you know, there was times where we were living in an apartment and it was me and my mom, one bedroom. We turned the living room into my bedroom. my clothes was stored in the kitchen cabinets like not to say that like

we struggled we were always blessed we always had food on our table but like I think people think that like I just got everything handed to me you know what I mean but like nah there was never there was never a point in time where it was like, yeah, honey, do whatever you want. Like mommy and daddy got you. Abby used to say that like, daddy works on the weekend so you can do whatever you want. And I'd be like, nah, like my dad works hard for a house payment. Like. Were you always like, cause that's such a, she's, she's sassy.

Abby Lee Miller. That's a nice way of putting it. You know what I mean? She's funny. But, um, she fucking talks crazy. Like, and you were one of the only ones who kind of talked back to her and like be like you know like stand up for yourself did that ever affect you though like the yelling and the shit that she said you know it's interesting because yes and no like once I so I went into Dance Moms being a fan

of Dance Moms yeah and like number one fan still am like I literally watch Dance Moms every day I watch it a lot too i fucking love it like i'm obsessed with that show and so i knew what i was getting myself into and i'll never forget it was like week maybe like two or three and or no because it was when i started to be on the pyramid so it was further in and my mom was like god i just hate that you're always on the fucking bottom of the pyramid and i'll be like dude i literally told my mom i was like the people at the bottom get the tv time the people at the top congratulations you're on top that's it yeah if you're on the bottom then your mom fights with abby and then you get more tv time

you've always been an adult yeah and i she's a genius yeah thank you but that's i mean like i never i don't know i yeah it was good if you you, you know what I mean? Like, and like, you're cool with Abby now. Yeah. Yeah. I always try to remember where I came from. Like, and I always would tell myself like, Abby's just doing her job too.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Damn. And that's the day. Like, that's just how the dance community is. Yes. Dance teachers are not typically nice.

Like there are some nice dance teachers, but like Jenna is my fucking best friend in the world like i she is the sweetest angel in the world god i wish we talked about each other like that bro we do we do more like this i have a podcast with like we're just funny about it her and i used to laugh because every she was my partner on dancing with the stars so she is like my most recent like main dance teacher you know what i mean and used to laugh because every, she was my partner on Dancing with the Stars. So she is like my most recent like main dance teacher. You know what I mean? And we would laugh because every Friday

I would have a mental breakdown. And it was never her being mean to me. She was always so fucking nice to me even when I was being a shit and didn't deserve to be nice to her. Like, and I needed to be told to get my act together. She like, I just always as a dancer put so much pressure on myself. You know what I mean? That like, that's just how it always as a dancer put so much pressure on myself you know what I

mean that like that's just how it is as a dancer you know I mean I guess everyone took it differently you know what I mean because other people obviously don't like Abby now right yeah like it's yeah it's a thing I think I guess it's just different she speaks really highly of Jojo like I feel like I saw her like saying later on like she's been so successful i'm so proud of her that's the thing like i know that i would not be where i am today without abby without dance moms without those producers like if i could go back in time i would do it all over again you know that's a flex there are most i would say most people that have gone through the dance mom's ring have come out and been like fuck that you know what i mean and i don't know i just i'm a firm believer of like remember where you came from and that's not to say that they're wrong for how they're treating it

you validate their feelings yeah but it's yeah it's so true too for like all of reality tv because if you think about anyone who's come out of like the hills or something everybody has so much shit to talk about like the show yeah and it's like but you have everything you have now because of the show and it might have been a horrible experience for you yeah yeah but you like you can't and i do think like maddie and i mean kenzie especially kenzie was six when she started and so like she didn't know what she was getting herself into you know what i mean i'm like maddie and that's all in the parenting it was's all in the parenting, yeah. Another good mom,

she let them stop when they wanted to stop. Yeah. Yeah, and that was the thing. Like they're, I think Maddie and Kenzie, when their contract was up, that's when they left. And I could be very, very wrong on that.

So don't hold me to that. But there was a lot of, dance moms, I will say, you could leave at any point in time. There was a set psychiatrist. And at any point in time, if you, the kids on the show,

she would always say, when you want out, tell me, I can get you out. And so like, we always had that. That's crazy. That's good.

But in the moment you didn't want to, you know what I mean? Like I wouldn't, I'm fucking nine on a show. I'd be like, let me go. Yeah. You know what I really want to talk about really quickly give it to me because i don't know if you've ever talked about it on a podcast and maybe you have and maybe you have i don't know i grew up on full house i love full house and i was rocking with dj t Tanner Okay But now you ain't

She's the only person Who ever has like Publicly detested you Coming out right or no Even before I came out Jodi Sweden Has always been so sweet to me Andrea Barber

Has always been so sweet to me That's Stephanie right Yeah Stephanie Kimmy Joey Danny Bless Bob Saget And

John Stamos Uncle Jesse Always so kind to me. Yeah. Olivia Jade. The fact that you know all of those people is insane. Yeah. I guess Aunt Becky was busy.

Well, no, Aunt Becky was. Oh, yeah, she was. Aunt Becky, who was Lori Loughlin, was Olivia Jade. Her daughter was on my season of Dancing with the Stars. She was always so kind to me. Love Olivia Jade. Love Olivia. So sweet. was on my season of dancing with the stars she was always so kind love olivia yeah love olivia so sweet um uh yeah so yeah candace has a we of a homophobic past and that's okay

just a we um and that's it is what it is um yeah and anyway so i had an experience with her when i was 11 at the fuller house premiere where she was not nice to me to your face to my face anyway so i had an experience with her when i was 11 at the fuller house premiere where she was not nice to me to your face to my face yeah so i can i ask how yes yes so look it's gonna sound like i'm being dramatic but put yourself in my shoes you're talking to me no better off yeah so um everyone was so nice i was 11 11. Baby, I loved Full House my whole life. Like, it's my safety show. I watch it before I fall asleep. Like, I love it.

And I go up to her, and I've talked to everybody that whole night. Everybody knew who I was. Yada, yada, yada. I go up to her. I'm like, hi, can I take a picture with you? I love you. She says no. Fine.

Fine. Like, I don't care. I get it. Like, I've been there. Fucking bitch. I understand. I've never said no to a picture but like i can understand why people do sometimes and so i was like oh it's okay like no

worries and she was like maybe later and i was like that's fine turn around and then within like three seconds i turned back around and she was taking pictures with other kids and so it was really like i was hurt as an 11 year old. Yeah. So anyways, cut to like. At 11, I would have literally carried that with me to my grave. Yes. So shattered. She was the only person that's ever said no to me. And then it wasn't that she said no, but to taking a picture with me. People have said no to me, but like said no to taking a picture with me to my face.

And then turned around and did it with other people. Yeah. You know that's happened to me. So then cut to a few years later uh like a year two years ago i did tiktok where it was like the trend to like flash your phone and like show like i have a crush on this person i don't like this person so i did that and i said rudest celebrity that i've ever met was her blew up on the internet and i was like fucking hell like people paused it to figure out it was her you could i wanted on it

then they compared the silhouettes and like it was obvious and i was like fuck me right so anyways it got really public we have mutual friends so she reached out to our mutual friends we had a phone call she asked me to make a statement i was like no i'm not gonna make a statement but if you do like i'll reply to it clear the air and so i did and And I did regret posting what I posted because I was like, like neither of us deserved the internet hate because all her people came at me. All my people went at her. And I was like, that's just. Yeah.

We don't need it. You know what I mean? It's true. Like that happens. I mean, it happens to me all the time. Yeah. When you just do something you don't think it's going to be. And I'm literally.

This is a fun trend and kind of forget like how big it really is. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I'm going to do shit that's wrong. And if that's the worst thing that's wrong that I do, which is probably is the worst thing that i've done um anyways that's a win a win is a win a win a win is a win um anyways so then it comes out a few months later that she started talking some pretty homophobic things a few things came out about her privately that I know about. And I was just like,

duh, like we cleared the air. Like I got a family of people that I got to stand up for. Like, so I called her out again and I just was like, you know what? We are, she said some pretty,

really bad stuff about the LGBTQ community. And I was just like, all right, we're never going to agree. We're never going to be friends. And you tried. I tried to make it right and give her a second chance to be good and like i do think she has a really unique platform where her following is very religious she has a platform where she is able to have such a religious following that she could be like hey this is

okay you know what i mean like that's what i mean. And she does quite the opposite. She makes it worse. Yeah, and they value what she says, so it could be, like, really beneficial. It could be super, yeah. But, you know, we're just never gonna agree. I love that about you, though.

Like, in so many situations, like, even then, everything you've been saying, like, you could have done something easier, and you did, like, the right thing that was hard with, like, such bravery,

and I just respect the shit out of it. I'm not gonna lie to you. I try, man. I try to be brave. You really, really fucking are are and you always have been i've known you for so fucking long and it's just it's awesome first time we met can i please tell the story yes because i don't i know what story you're about to tell but i can't picture like my age i can't picture when so give it to me in as much detail i was either 17 or 18 And we're like four and a half years apart So I would've been like 14

I don't even think you want me to tell this story Oh no I think I was 17 I was at VidCon And not supposed to be there You were definitely a feature creator I definitely wasn't But I was in the fucking feature creator area

And I think I met your mom or your family member Someone who was with you first i was with my manager and we were just talking whatever and i think it was your mom and i think she's like my daughter loves you like whatever like was talking to me whatever she was like and your parents have always kind of let you figure the world out on your own like you don't even know like if our daughter's gonna be so fucking famous exposed to the whole world like i'd rather her see some shit and teach her the right way Than act like the world doesn't exist Yeah

So you had stumbled across my videos And I'm standing with these like ropes Like we're inside of like VIP ropes right And I see Jojo Bible I think you did a cartwheel And you're like down You're down the hall From like me talking to your mom

And you see that I'm talking to her And you start charging charging charging at me my manager and your mom and I swear to God I think you did some type of like trick like a cartwheel like some type of thing knowing me and you hop this rope and you come up to me and you go you're a c*** you're a c*** you're a c*** you're a c*** and we're in the middle of this video, this fucking group, and everyone's heads just turned. It's the first thing she says to me. She's like, I saw that video and I think you're so funny. Your mom was like this.

And I was like, I don't even think I said anything. She's like, Bible, you're a. In my defense, at that age. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no, because it's hilarious. I didn't know what that meant at that age. Yeah, at to my mom probably didn't know you know and i do i think i said nothing back because i was just like i didn't know i don't know if you knew either you know and i wasn't about to be like you're back to you like you know what i mean and then we didn't

at that time like you were way younger And I was like 17 Or whatever And I don't think We actually became like Real real friends Until I was probably Like 19 or 20 You were a little bit older

And I just started Seeing you at events And I love your whole family So I'd met your brother Like a million times At this point Oh my god My brother met

Like I think y'all Were at Playlist Live together Yes My brother was like I met Tana We're gonna become great friends Honestly I fucking love him I really really

Really do And then Yeah over time Then I just started Coming to your parties And like just different Stuff like that I don't really know

How it like Just escalated Yeah I remember seeing you At whore nights Oh yes And like that was The first time

That I like Whore nights It was like Sounds on brand Practically For Tana it was I'm just kidding I think I was a whore that night

i actually remember i was with an embarrassing ass tiktoker i don't even want to say anyways so embarrassing i think i remember you were talking about god-loving motherfuckers anyways um anyways yeah i remember that night like i felt like i was able to go up to you and be like not a friend but like i felt like oh I'm not just a fan of this girl anymore like she's like we're like a homie because we freaked out seeing each other I was like yeah like we were excited we were excited to see each other um yeah and then time just went on and you've always been so and then Tana asked me to do a weed commercial boy did she but you are just like so welcoming I think that was really cool because

even just all of the events and parties and shit that you've had you wanting me there always meant a lot to me because i was like listen i'm not this girl's brand you know what i mean and then after you came out and stuff and were you know finding your adulthood we found more common ground and stuff because it's i was like yes you're being you and like i'm so proud yeah like that i think too like even though you were never my brand like i mean that's we we we never we never had the same demographic is a better way to put it yeah but then like meeting you in person and like just like over the four minutes that we would hang out at a time over the course of six years by three times you know what i mean we had very similar vibe personality values not that what

we were putting out into the world was fake but at some point it's like you just kind of can have a conversation with somebody that vibes or it doesn't and both of us also i feel like have the type of brand where people assume we are only what they see yeah you know like like that i'm only crazy and i'm only rose and you're all and you're all bows and glitter and sunshine and in reality like you can be like real and super chill and i can not be a demon like you know so we can relate on certain things which is good and i was always surprised too that like you you keep up with all the the drama side of shit like you know what I mean I did back in the day now I'm a mess now like I know nothing I literally I just did a show I don't know if y'all watch Vanderpump um I love you love Vanderpump so I just did

Special Forces with Tom Sandoval okay and isn't he in the midst of like he is in the midst of like the biggest cancellation in the world And I What did he do Like the girl wore a shirt Like he told her Not to wear the shirt When she had the sex And then she released shirts

Or that's I mean I love that scandal That's like such a tiny Little thing But basically he was like With somebody for like Seven years

And he was sleeping With her best friend The whole time Oh okay I knew that And then he said You kept your shirt on During sex And that's where

The shirt thing came from Okay okay okay Beats me all of it yeah and so like there was moments when we would be together because how special forces is is you are together for up to eight days i can't say how long i was there for um but you can quit at any point but it is 24 hours on camera but there's no producer director cameraman around it's all pretty much robo um you you sleep in like accommodations that are like like not beds i mean it's two metal things you're in the same room as big as this with each other like it's it's it's military training basically so it's it's very it's very real i i would die you would not last 24 hours i love you so much

you would never i don't think i'd last 20 minutes like holy yeah it's very intense so what is that can you talk about what that entails like things you did yeah um so i can i can talk about things that have been like in the trailers um so we there's so many wild challenges, tasks. We every day would do, fuck, I can't talk about how many we would do a day. But so just some of the challenges. There was this one that they love airing. It's, we called it the Ternasium. But basically it's like two ladders and you have to walk across them,

like kind of waddle like a baby across them. And you're on, there's just 300 feet below you and you have to make across them, like kind of waddle like a baby across them. And you're on, there's just 300 feet below you. And you have to make it across or fall. And it's wobbly. I mean, you're roped in and like you're going to free fall for three seconds. And then the rope will stop you. And then they have to drag you back up. There was one where you had to army crawl across a singular rope across two mountain peaks.

Again, 300 feet up. I'm watching this. I don't know if that helps for me. Underwater helicopter submersion. We were in New Zealand filming. So it was freezing cold. crossed two mountain peaks again 300 feet up um i'm watching uh uh underwater helicopter submersion we were in new zealand filming so it was freezing cold um and they the helicopter lowers you to the point where it the pressure starts to collapse and it's freezing water so you start to hyperventilate and you have to wait till the helicopter lands at the bottom and then you have to get yourself out and i mean it's it's changed my life it's what um what did you say so do you have a death wish like why would you put yourself through that we had a submarine yeah yeah there i mean there's so much that went i mean there there

is have y'all seen the trailer for it i've i't seen it. Okay, I want to show you the trailer. Wait, I want to see it. Because it'll put a lot into perspective. Like, you'll be like, oh, shit. I'm going to do it on the phone, JoJo. Sorry, we're poor. No. No, you're not.

We'll insert it, though. It'll be. Coming out on this course. The cold is going to be the great equalizer. What? This is far beyond anything. You talk. about the experience of my life. Boy, you hear the whole country's pissed off at me. She made it sound like it was a Tuesday. I want to see what I'm capable of doing.

Yeah, this is going to be challenging. at the end of this course i want to see what i'm capable of doing yeah this is going to be challenging i can't imagine the tea you got on set i can't do it i can't do it and emotionally what's on your heart right now my man um my daughter drowned in our neighbor's pool i guess um i want clarity i can't believe it. I just wish I could. You've come to the right place. It's been a big drop. Hope you've been prepared for this. Through the scale of building.

As much hard times as there is here, there's also a lot of accomplishment. Damn what I'd give to go to dinner with my family. JoJo. JoJo. When does this air? September 25th. Holy shit, I'm so excited that's my like fucking i know like

that's my kind of show we're binge watching you should we're gonna have um uh uh every week we're gonna have a party not the first week but every week at my house i'm gonna watch party any excuse to just go to your fucking house your house is a museum it's like pretty gnarly you you know someone has really made it as like i was gonna say in the beginning when i was trying to think of what to call you like it's not the only word but it's one of them like you were an enterprise like and obviously also a singer entrepreneur talented dancer all of it but I'm just saying you are and you know someone has made it to that level of like a list they're an enterprise when you go to their house and shit is in glass boxes and mannequins and you got rid of the mannequin

cases I wish you never did I just you never did I think I took 500 photos Like I just felt like I was I love Trisha Paytas' houses like that too Like certain people just Paris Hilton like just certain people have houses They're so like branded like themselves And they keep everything which I think is so cool It's something I definitely regret like not

Doing but Do you So you were just saying this off camera, you have a place here that you kind of use as storage. Have you kept everything? Everything. JoJo archives. I have every costume.

I have like all my tour props. I have everything. Your kids one day are going to have the sickest life. I love that though. I want kids tomorrow. I want kids immediately. I was telling JoJo like I never will have a guest and be like will you face some of my friends because if it's like my grown-ass friends and they're asking me and they're excited about it yeah i'm like

fucking fuck off but that you are i was i asked you nervously because you're the first time i've ever asked someone ari's like little sister is like 10 and she loves you and we just called her and she had a jojo on she's eight oh Precious. And your interaction with her was so good. You've had so much training meeting kids your whole life as a kid and not like and with kids. Yeah. I've kind of learned how to talk to somebody while they don't talk to you. Yeah. And it's been able to be a really great thing because sometimes I talk to kids who physically can't talk back to me.

You know, like I've done a lot with Make-A-Wish where some kids physically cannot speak. And it's interesting to like learn. I've really learned how to read a kid and how to once I find that thing that makes them smile, like keep going at it. You know what I mean? And once I find what they're interested in, like I asked her if she was in second grade and she was like, no, I went to the mall today. You know what I mean and once I find what they're interested in like I asked her if she was in second grade and she was like no I went to the mall today you know what I mean but if she'd been like yeah I'm in second grade I'd be like oh what's your favorite subject in school you know what I mean like you'd

keep going on that yeah um yeah I don't know I just I love little little babies I think they're awesome I think they make the world a better place and I can't wait to bring a bunch of them into the world I can't wait your kids really are gonna them into the world. I can't wait. Your kids really are going to have the sickest, sickest life. They're going to have a fun life. Do you find that like your audience now is, do you think it's still like very young demographic or do you think they've kind of grown with you a bit? A little bit of both.

So I kind of have an all over the place demographic. It's really confusing. So I have like the little littles now. Like one of my best friends, Baby, is always like, I want JoJo Boba Shoshal. And they're not even two yet you know what i mean yesterday i was like and then there's like the like eight-year-olds who are like into it like into like hold the drama yeah you know what i mean and like into the bows into

the slime into the youtube videos then there's like the 14 year olds that were eight you know six years ago and they like kind of grew up with me and then there's like the 14 year olds that were eight, you know, six years ago and they like kind of grew up with me. And then there's like the 17 year olds who are like the Dance Moms fan base now. Like that's just watching Dance Moms. And then there's like the 25 year olds who liked Dance Moms back in the day. You know what I mean? It's like shit. And I feel like you probably have like the whole gay community. I was going to say the girls and the gays.

It's crazy. Yeah. There's like like it just it's so growing and it's i don't understand either myself how it gets younger but it's because i mean youtube's out there for forever yeah yeah i'm kind of the first you know what i mean like yeah you're an anomaly everyone before me was i mean miley and she had hannah montana and then hannah went away and she became miley you know demi had sunny with a chance and then that all went away and camp Hannah went away and she became Miley. You know, Demi had Sunny with a Chance and then that all went away and Camp Rock went away. And now she's Demi.

You know what I mean? They're Demi. They wanted to like eliminate it, though. Yeah. I feel like you're just rocking with it. I think Demi's back to she now, by the way. I believe so, too. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. Why did I say that? Any of the other ones. It's okay. Yeah, go ahead. Because she said they and then I said she and they. I felt like this whole conversation was going to be hard to navigate.

Demi's also just, I mean, Demi's the fucking coolest. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome human. Nice human. Awesome. Anyways, I don't remember what I was talking about because ADHD is really, really high gear, but.

That was us too. The demographic. The demographic. Yeah, the demographic. It's younger and younger. Like Boomerang, you'll love this because like, you know, YouTube numbers. Boomerang was released. I don't know. i hate doing this to myself seven years ago almost eight god you're so old it's fucking but when you think about it like seven like think about like a whole seven-year-old

child like yeah that's huge that's like grown you know what i mean so So Boomerang Seven years ago And it still gets About 200,000 views a day Yeah She's so rich It's all I can take from it Get out of here A day And the touring I didn't even talk about that

Like was touring Was touring harder Than Dance Moms I love tours so much Yeah Like being on tour Is my favorite thing In the world

I can't imagine Your bus It's probably The bus probably Talks to you And some people On muster We call it The four seasons On wheels I can't imagine Your bus It's probably The bus probably Talks to you On some long bus We call it

The four seasons On wheels I can't imagine The ritz on wheels Just Jojo on the side All over I wanted to wrap my bus And they wouldn't let me

For security Because I was still a kid Yeah that's probably Pretty valid But we got to wrap a truck We wrapped a truck instead But yeah I mean

My tour was wild We did 134 shows I got a You're doing aren arena tattooed devoted to it um you did like stadiums arena i did arenas yeah i uh you know the o2 arena in london yes i became the youngest person to ever headline and sell out the o2 arena in london look at my goosebumps you can see them from here that is so insane it's crazy that is god oh my god that's like for anybody who wouldn't know the o2 that's like comparable to madison square garden here yeah or the staples center yeah insane like the like big arena there i can't what's that feeling when

you walk out to the o2 arena and it's sold out and you're how old i was 16 holy fuck i was a baby and you're just so normal now i would have been off my rocker Oh my god Like it would have been over for me already Yeah The feeling on stage never gets old And every crowd is different It's wild And there's similarities

But every crowd is different Every crowd is unique Me agreeing like I'm ever gonna play in an arena Get out of here But you know like Don't sell yourself short Yeah The O2 arena don't want this.

Yes, they do. You kill me. Continue. I'm sorry. I don't know. It's just like, I feel like I can't be nervous when I'm on stage. I can't mess up when I'm on stage. Like, it just feels so comfortable.

It's the, like, it's the strangest feeling and it just feels like the ability that i can go like this and they'll scream like it's it's crazy it's crazy it's the most love you ever feel and i we always just talk about like the tangibility of it like you see the numbers online but when you see the numbers up I love it But like actually Seeing the faces And the numbers And the Seeing it in person

It's crazy It's just the craziest feeling And with you It's probably nuts too Because every kid's got a bow on And a fucking A t-shirt And an arm warm

And a scarf I started the whole Wearing a costume thing To the concert Every little child Came dressed as me Every single one of them Absolutely

She started Aris Tour I started that Every kid came In a JoJo outfit. I almost came today, JoJo. It's a thing. It's a thing. I feel like now people are going to come to my new music concerts as old JoJo. You know what I mean?

I'm here for it. I mean, it's just an iconic forever thing. You know what I mean? And I think like all. If Britney Spears had an arena concert tomorrow, people would come and hit me baby one more time. So it's just, you're an icon. You know what I mean like and I think like all Britney Spears had an arena concert tomorrow people would come miss hit me baby one more time so it's just you're an icon you know what I mean thank you um and I think like I'll let that part of me live for forever like there will be some sort of tribute yeah to old me I kind of I toured around this idea of like when I go out on an adult music tour to do I mean I think I'll always perform boomerang I feel like that's like my

yeah my baby but then like and i like that you don't resent it no not at all it's cool then i mean i have 20 something other songs yeah and i was kind of thinking like it might be kind of fun how like taylor has her surprise songs that she does to do that but like which baby jojo song will i sing that night and just do a different one every night as your voice matures like doing like a slowed down rendition of something that was like an old song. Yeah. Which is really cool.

I can't wait to go to the show personally. Like I'm so excited. It's going to be so fun. Back to everyone wearing everything and all of that type of stuff. The reason why I actually had you on the podcast is because I saw you on, I don't know his name, one of the David Dobrik adjacents. What's, you were just on his podcast. Yeah.

Joe. Joe. Literally today. I saw that. That's why I DM'd you. I was like, oh, she's doing some podcasts. Let's see were just on his podcast. Yeah. Joe. Joe. Literally today. I saw that. That's why I DM'd you. I was like, oh, she's doing some podcasts. Let's see. You know, I'm I'm reaching for the stars here.

Just like the weed commercial. Let's see if she'll be canceled. And I know you're I might just make you repeat yourself, but I want to know and talk about it right now. How many SKUs of different Jojo products are there? Oh, my God. I wish I knew that answer. I know of Bose.

There's something like I know it's with an eight. There's either 800 or 8,000 different styles of bow. Just bows. Just bows. I think it's 8,000 of just bows. Different ribbons, different sizes, different shape. Will you give me the quick bullet point rundown of everything that JoJo Siwa brands?

Like products? Yes. So it's easiest to do categories so there's no yeah no that's what i mean yeah so there's apparel accessories bedding home goods food and beverage toys electronics books like dvds cds um party shit party supplies um cosmetics shoes i guess i'd be an apparel there's literally somebody did like a house tour i forget what it was but i saw a house tour where they like you have like a room yeah and it's like all the different kinds like a jojo store yeah i'm like i we used to oh maybe it was northwest

we used to play this like game of like name a product and like i can tell you if i have it or not and like people would name all these random products and i were like band-aids she's like yeah cookware jojo cookware yes i have like plates and forks like like little kids sets um chair brush yes duh toothbrush duh singing and not i'm like shit i haven't all i know is i've heard for six years on a microphone i'm gonna get hot like some boomerangs i'm gonna come back like a boomerang for six years straight that is so so god that's so cool and it's just gonna be forever and ever and ever and your kids are gonna be like you can't go to walmart or target without seeing your face nah you know who it sucks for is my exes oh my biggest

flex and the most sorry sorry i know this is it is no that is so that's like my dream i'm very my first ex i'm very good friends with yet um and i she's a great human i feel very inclined to speak highly of her yeah there's a good way to put it um i couldn't figure out those words but like we joke around all the time she's like damn i can't i can't go to target she's like i cannot go to target without seeing your face i would cry yeah we're able to laugh about it it's the most iconic thing jojo in that situation lit 10 out of 10 would recommend being anyone else in that situation oh my god and i would just i would be the person that wouldn't be the person in target you know i would get the shit into that stick for sure um speaking of uh speaking very highly of your first ex i don't know about

this to this day um the i know you made a tiktok where it was like you were talking about one of your exes like they just wanted the views they use you for views right yes um what is that drama what happened that's a great question i wish i I fully knew myself. Um, I've, it was huge though. I know it broke the internet. It was like, yeah, like the gay TikTok.

Yeah. So I had a relationship that really, that start, that started public on the internet. Yeah. Was public on the internet and ended public on the internet. You learn a lot from that. Yeah.

Is everything okay? Are we all right? Do you need water? I'm popping a lot. Are yeah is everything okay are we all right do you need water are you good i'm good um navigating relationships is very hard navigating lesbian relationships is even harder and navigating relationships on the internet lesbian relationship on the internet and lesbian relationship on the internet is is good night yeah triple homicide yeah it's really it's it's tricky and i'm young listen like i i'm not a rule book either there's no there's not a rule book there's been multiple cases where i have been without a doubt used whether that's for views whether that's for money whether that's for experience like and and that is fine it's happened multiple times

i mean it's not fine but it sucks yeah it sucks but specifically an instant i was very deep in a relationship and i kind of just wanted it to fizzle and we had kind of talked about it fizzling and i was fine with that like she was fine with that and then all of a sudden out of nowhere um I was being made out to be a very bad guy on the internet yeah and I was like oh that's not cool like because because look at the end of the day I'm at this point in time 19 yeah at this point in time she was 23 yeah we're both very very young yeah there's no need for anybody on the internet to be the bad guy you know what i mean and we've both messed up which is a mature standpoint at 19 yeah and i thank you i just i tried to keep it clean because i've learned over the years the like power kind of that I can have with the internet.

And I don't want to use that for ill ever. And I have and I've messed up. Absolutely. And I've learned from it. For example with the CCB incident. Like I learned like that's not fun for me to shit on people on the internet. I don't like it. I have too much of a voice and too big of a platform to do that.

And so now with relationships I'm very careful. Very sensitive. Not supposed to. Me taking this relationships, I'm very careful, very sensitive. Me taking this in. I'm like, yeah, I am. I just I've learned what to share and what not to share. And I'm very proud of myself because I've had two talking to situations that the Internet has never found out about. Yeah.

And that makes me feel like I've learned. You know what I mean? And it's it's just good. It's better. I feel like I get I get what you're saying from I mean? And it's just good. It's better. That's good. I feel like I get what you're saying from that situation. And it's hard because. It's hard.

And there's just a lot that the internet doesn't get to see. You know what I mean? And I think once it was right in front of my face and I saw it and I was like, oh, there's a camera up and you're acting like this. And now the camera's away and you're acting like this. And it's a shit feeling. It's a shit feeling. And the internet only sees what the camera was filming. They don't see what happens when it went away oh my god and that

and they believe what they saw and that's what was really hard for me to navigate is like i knew what was going on but there was no possible way for the internet to fully know and so without you using the power to be like yeah so once i realized your audience yeah that's really like mature though once i realized there was no it was a lose- lose lose situation i was like all right well i'd rather lose like this you know yeah and i feel like it's it's hard because you want to love freely you're still just a person you know what i mean and having to learn from that like unfortunately so many people look at you as a meal ticket you know and instead of who you are even like my last two talking to situations i've been like no they're not using me.

There's no way they would be. And then after I'm done, I look at it and I'm like, fuck. When you're in it, you can't see it from where it is. I hope you have people around you who also are like, try to be aware of that. Like I'm so, I've had so many situations with Ari where he's like, like Tana. Like he wants to, he wants to be in that TikTok

and he wants to go on that plane and he wants to go on that plane and he wants to you know and like I just had this happen where I was I was with someone not not dating not anything but talking and then all of a sudden out of nowhere they like really launched TikTok like really hard launch and I was just like what a good time yeah I was like that's a little convenient you know what I mean like, that's a little convenient. You know what I mean? Like I get the intention now why you wanted to be closer to me

because you wanted, again, like you weren't using me for cloud, but you were using me for experience and knowledge. And that's cool, but don't trick me to be in love with you. Like I'll be your friend and do that.

You know what I mean? And just be honest about that. 100%. Like it's just acting like out of nowhere. Like I just really want to do this TikTok trend. I want to make an account and be on TikTok. Yeah. No.

Like, you know, which is just like a whole. But it's hard. It's been, it's, out of all the things I've done, dating's been the hardest for sure. It's just, I don't know. And I'm, my life is very public. Everything about my life is public. Yeah.

And my second relationship was with somebody who was public on the internet already. But like my first, for example, was Massive Learning because she wasn't on the internet. And so immediately when we started dating, I was like, how do we navigate this? Because I didn't want to shove it onto her. And she was very good. My first girlfriend was very good about being okay with whatever, but not ever doing it herself. Like she didn't care.

But if I was like, babe, there's this TikTok that couples are doing. Are you down? She would be down. You know what I mean? Like we had a very good dynamic. And you'll find that again.

It just is fucking hard. It's just so hard. Yeah. My dad said the other day, Oh my God, I love my dad so much. He's the best. But he was like, love is so so easy to find you just have to look for it and i was like bitch i've been looking i've been searching like i got binoculars i got a fucking

telescope i got it all i'm searching dog i got a map i got it all i know i know it's just it's like it's hard but you're gonna find the most amazing person i am the best single friend right now really every single one of my people is in a relationship every single one of them oh my and i would make it everybody's problem i would make everybody miserable oh my god i'm like fuck your happiness i try to no i just make them tell me the bad like i am everybody's confided like tell me the shit that's going on in your relationships that way i don't want one that does help wow that's honestly it works it does help way I don't want one. That does help. Wow, that's honestly smart. It works. That does help.

Like, I don't want what you have. Yep. And someone's like, oh my God, we're so cute. We just went on a date. I'm like, what's your last fight about? Yep. Yes. I literally straight up asked my brother.

I'm like, what do you and your girlfriend fight about? Yeah. I asked my best friend. I'm like, what are you guys, like, what's stressing you out right now? I'm going to start doing that. That's an amazing way to navigate that. It helps, yeah. Oh my God, Northwest.

Oh, I love that little kiddo. She's awesome. So what was that like? Really cool. I don't, I mean, North is awesome. I, we, yeah, Kim was great. Kim is my favorite. You're going to love this story.

My favorite was North is at my house. North was little. North was only five. This was probably four years ago five years ago and she made a mess she made a mess with slime like yeah sequence went everywhere and i'm a youtuber like i don't give a crap that's better for me you know what i mean like let it go everywhere and it goes everywhere the camera's cut and kim kim kardashian like also like send the nanny like i didn't expect kim to come but whatever kim came kim was like where's your broom like let me sweep this up i was like kim kardashian

you are not about to sweep my floor get out of here that's sweet like imagine if i was like oh in the pantry cinderella she really would have she's so would have she's so sweet she what was her house like i've never been there. Oh, they only came to your house. Yeah, they only came to my house. We FaceTimed a bunch. Sent her a bunch of stuff. She came to the concert.

She came to my birthday party. It's just so sweet. So nice. The kids, of course. But I mean, Kim is awesome. What does she smell like? Beautiful. Ask me for a friend.

I knew it. No, you're not. You're asking for yourself like just like you would imagine i'm the friend she looks just like you would imagine yeah she smells just like you would imagine like is she's perfect and it's north like so funny kanye like so this was at the time when north was still really little and she was really shy i remember seeing the video north like didn't want to talk but i feel like now i wonder what north would be like now because now i feel like she's really come into herself i would facetime her and she would talk so much she would she would talk with her friends she would talk with me she would sing she would dance then at the house she was yes no i get that i was so shy i would have had a stroke probably if i met you and i was fucking

and the house like it's like straight up Disney world. Like the house, I think you see your face in your house, maybe 50,000. And also it's really tricky for little kids to process that I'm the same as what they're seeing on YouTube. Like they don't, they don't process that I'm a real human. You know,

if I met Hannah Montana, it would have been, someone would have had to take me to the hospital. Game over. Literally the hospital. She wouldn't, oh my God, I met Miley in person and I literally shit my pants.

She is just everything. It makes me sick. I still like her so much. It's like unhealthy and I should probably be. Same. Institutionalized. We all should be. 100%.

I'm the biggest Miley stan ever. I just saw a thing, like we were talking about the archive earlier. She said that she has 21 storage units with all the stuff that Her fans have made her really Miley she Keeps everything she said I need that Means she still has my t-shirt that I Gave her on the bangers to her she has Your t-shirt oh my god who else do you Stand Miley Lady Gaga Freddie Mercury

Elton John uh-huh uh-huh have you met Elton John oh yeah he's what was that Like so it's actually it's kind of funny. It's a good story. So it was. She has the best story. My Miley story is also a really good one. We need that one.

Okay. So I'll do Elton first, then Miley second. Miley is such a good story. So Elton. So it's his concert. This is, I was baby. I was 15. So I hadn't even gone on tour yet for like context of how young i was and i was about to go

on tour my tour tickets were on sale like crazy same right same um tour company both with aeg and so we were on the list for his meet and greet because it was his concert and what happens elton he wakes up and he decides i'm gonna i'm gonna do my meet and greet or i'm not and that day he woke up and he decided he was not gonna do my meet and greet or i'm not and that day he woke up and he decided he was not gonna do the meet and greet fine whatever so it's before the show no i'm just kidding that's just a joke i almost said it before you did so he he decided no and then we're in our seats and the president of aeg comes out to me and she's like change your plans after the show elton wants to meet you come back to where we were and i was like cool great so we

go back to where we were we probably wait for like 20 minutes after the show and we're chilling and then we go into this room and there's like these few boys in there and I didn't know who they were and then after they introduced themselves and after my mom and I googled who they were and it was me and my mom in this room with two guys and Sasha Baron Cohen who is Borat oh so funny um and then they're like all right Jojo they took those boys in first because Sasha and Elton they're close and they took them in first and then um they're like all right Jojo like come on Elton's ready for you and so my mom and I go and my mom like has her phone out videoing right and I mean I was expecting like walk in take a selfie and dip right like quick and the security's like put your phone away and we're like oh like sorry like

okay like you don't want to do any wrong right so we go in and we're in elton's dressing room and it's me my mom elton his husband sasha and the two friends and that's that's it just squad in the dressing room go in dream blunt rotation bull right elton elton's like hello darlings like braces my mom in a hug and a kiss on the cheek gives me a big hug he's like it's so nice to meet you you both lovely did you enjoy the show like so kind so nice he's like take a look around look at my jewelry trying on sunglasses whatever you like so then cut to him and sasha are um sitting on the couch together and my mom and i for like 10 minutes have just been like staring at these sunglasses because there was never like a it was nice to meet you cue for us to leave you know what i mean so we're just like awkwardly

still standing there he's like just hang out so we're hanging out and then all of a sudden um elton and sasha started talking about the bohemian rhapsody movie uh-huh and at this point in time i am number one fan like yeah no every detail about this movie every talking about the Bohemian Rhapsody movie. And at this point in time, I am number one fan. Like, know every detail about this movie, every detail about the actors, every movie about Queen, like every detail about Queen. You're so well versed. Everything. Like, obsessed. Freddie Mercury single-handedly while he's passed away changed my life. Yeah.

And so he's talking about and Elton and Freddie were best friends. So he's talking about it and I'm losing my mind looking at these sunglasses. I'm like, Mom, let's know what they're talking about and then they get stuck and they're trying to figure out who did the vocals in the movie you're like and sasha was like um it's not rami malek that did it who was it and i was like yeah who did it wasn't the actor they used some of freddie's vocals but they mixed it with somebody else what was that guy's name and i'm sitting by the side i'm like it's mark Martel it's Mark Martel it's Mark Martel it's Mark Martel and my mom's like what and

I was like the guy they're trying to come up with his name is Mark Martel and finally after like they're stuck on his name for five minutes google it right yeah but finally after like five minutes I was like it's Mark Martel and I'm nervous I'm 15 and Elton was like what did you say he kind of looked over and I was like the guy you're trying to think of it's'm 15. And Elton was like, what did you just say? He kind of looked over and I was like, the guy you're trying to think of, it's Mark Martel. And Elton was like, come join us. And so then I'm sitting on a couch. It goes Elton, John, me, Sasha Baron Cohen. My mom and Elton's husband are chilling.

And we just chat for 45 minutes, tell stories. We just kind of tell them what I'm about to do. Like just all hanging out. Then we leave. I mean, it was the best night ever. When I came out to the world world like a few days later i got a random number call from the uk and i i was like this is interesting answered it like kind of thing it was a prank hello it's elton john called me you're fucking call me when i came out oh my god yeah unreal and just talked for probably

10 minutes saying he was proud of me and it just unreal and then yeah he invited me to come to his la show he i went to a show of his in australia with um met up with his husband there like just had have had so many interactions done some stuff with his foundation so amazing like that's the sweetest story i think it's the best thing ever when someone's your idol and they supersede you know because people always say don't meet your heroes and it's scary but when someone's your idol and you meet them it's unreal yeah um okay you ready for the miley story boy am i ready for the miley story all right pov it's the worst day of my life it is 2020 already okay it is the absolute worst day of my life my My mom calls me and she goes,

JoJo, where the fuck is my wallet? And I was like, why are you yelling at me? I don't know where your wallet is. Your wallet, where'd you put it? Is it in the car? She's like, no, where'd you put it? You had it last. I was like, mom, I have not seen your wallet.

Like I'm at tour rehearsals. She's driving on her way. And I was like, what do you mean? And then she was like, yesterday while we were eating, you threw the bag away and my wallet was in that bag. I think this is the end of the world. I go fucking dumpster diving to try to find her wallet. There's a big,

like big, big dumpster, right? I go dumpster diving. Imagine like an eight year old walking by. Like is that just you on the dumpster? Fully. My mom comes,

she sees me in the dumpster. She's like, get out of there. We have this like big forgive moment. What happened was the dumpster had come and gotten picked up while it was gone like there was no but i went for it like it i'm talking it was the worst day of my life i've never cried so much in my life okay anyways so as we're walking back into my rehearsal studio i hear and where we rehearse the there's always people there like the rest of those days was the rooms went me um megan trainer justin bieber kanye west oh my god that's the arrangement of the rooms gaga rehearsals there already

everybody like what's the address yeah no literally it's awesome to hang out there so i'm walking back in and i hear four by four playing in the room and it's just a band but i'm like i know that beat it's fucking four by four by Miley Cyrus so I told my mom I was like that's Miley like that's her song so I go in and we hear no vocals nothing then I'm on dinner break and I start hearing vocals and I go back into my rehearsal with my choreographer and I told him I was like Richie I would never do this I will not be back in rehearsals tonight I will be camping outside on this picnic table waiting for miley to walk out so i can just see her right it's all i need i've never met her when i was little i said

two years old i said i want to be a brain surgeon or hannah montana like she's been my life and so i sat at the picnic table for like two hours and finally i was like fucking i'm just gonna go in i'm just gonna go in people come into rehearsals all the time kanye's crashed my rehearsals megan's crashed my rehearsals like like literally it's like Kanye's like hey Jojo he crashed an audition that I was having once like it's like a thing at this place so I was like I'm gonna do it I'm just gonna grow a pair of balls go in poke my head and say hi I love you and run out right I'm in different clothes I'm in a Jojo t-shirt and costume pants because I went dumpster diving and I had to change like it's just been a fucking day so I go in and as I'm going to walk in her security guard walks out and I like quickly like

press buttons on the vending machine to look like I was not suspicious yeah run back out my mom was like how was I was like I didn't do it her security walked out so then I was finally like 30 minutes later I grew some courage again and I was like okay I'm gonna do I'm really gonna do it this time so I go in and as I'm going in her mom walks out and i just start losing my mind i would have been just excited to see yeah i like literally lost my mind and i was just like i thought i was gonna get in trouble for like walking in there and right behind tish is miss smiley cyrus and i was just like i i was just gonna come in to say i love you and you're awesome and you're amazing i don't want to interrupt and she was like oh my god you're jojo right and i was like yes and she was like yeah i've seen you

on the internet before and i was like she was like yeah i've seen you on the internet before you know her deep ass raspy voice yes and i was like oh my god i was like you have no idea i was like this has been the worst day of my life turned to the best day of my life like i couldn't even speak like i we took a picture i was losing my shit she was you know just being like how i am with little kids like she was just like being so kind so nice so fun and i was just like oh my god you're you're you're my life like i love you wearing she was wearing she was so cute she was wearing like um she had these little like leathery pants on and um was this in her like layering era?

This was in like rocker era. And so she was like, we're doing a full run through in two days. Do you want to come watch it? And I was like, fuck yes. Like lost my mind. That same day of that run through was supposed to be my friends and family show. And I walked into my rehearsals and I was like, guys, like cancel the friends and family show. I was like, push it later.

I was like, I'm going to this. You don gonna have friends and family anymore yeah just miley so then like i go home and like miley messaged me on instagram i have a dm from miley cyrus and she was like hey come to the studio at seven o'clock and i was like i will be there like i don't know what time it was but i was like i'll be there went watched her do a full performance um she like in her like it was like her friends and family show but all her people were like watching you know what i mean and i was there having the fucking time of my life it's a private miley cyrus concert i would i will never forget she sang party in the usa and she changed the lyrics um uh so far when the girls aren't around me, it's definitely not a Nashville party. All the C.R.S. letters. I guess me and JoJo never got the memo.

I lost my mind. And then we did four by four. And I know the dance to four by four from the Bangers tour. So I got up and we did the dance together. Oh my gosh. She would be like, she would swear and she'd be like, sorry. Like she like, we interacted the whole, she let me sing Wrecking Ball. I sang it off key.

She said sorry to her vocal cords because i i threw her off like just the best fucking uh that is so iconic she is that just ruined my day because i can't handle how jealous i am i'm not kidding i'm not i'm jealous of myself three years ago like like the fact that i can't relive that day every day of my life like it worst day of your life to the absolute best day of your life, for sure. Literally. Have you ever met Gaga? No. So that's the bucket list.

That's coming next. The thing with Gaga is Richie is my choreographer. And Gaga, Richie's also Gaga's choreographer. There have been days where, because she'll rehearse there too. He will run back and forth between rehearsals. Between my rehearsal, her rehearsal, my rehearsal, her rehearsal. And he says all the time, he's like, come over. come over i was like no it has to be natural yeah it's like i can't pop in but like oh i cannot wait for the day i just know she would love well he said that

we he talks to her a lot about me and like there's like mutual love like she's that's i'm gagged for you i'm gagged yeah i'm just knowing you it's gonna be that like you're gonna be in like a helicopter with her like a shuttle or some shit you It's gonna be Like you're gonna be In like a helicopter With her Like a shuttle Or some shit Like it's gonna be Like another insane story That tops it all

My dream is to be A Lady Gaga backup dancer I know Every single Lady Gaga I don't know if that Would be allowed Jojo I feel like people Would be so excited

That you were there Like selling out Our own stadiums Trying to be a backup dancer In someone else's stadium But like imagine It's like Josh Peck

In Oppenheimer Brooke references Josh Peckin Oppenheimer Brooke references Josh Peckin I've done it every episode the past seven episodes but it's just like so like you can't pay attention to anything else like if I went to a Lady Gaga concert and Jojo Siwa was the backup dancer big Jojo I spent so much time in 2020 learning every single one of her dances and I tell Richie all the time i'm like there will be a day where something happens to a dancer and you need somebody that knows every step in one phone call and i will be that person i can't wait didn't she do that one time she like brought a fan up in the middle of the concert he knew every single like lick of choreography like everything that's gonna be you that will be me one day she's in vegas this weekend i'm like if

you want to go oh my god we should should. Just tell me your celebrity crush. All this celebrity talk and I have to know. I like Miley Cyrus. Yeah. Miley, Billie. Billie for sure. Zendaya. Zendaya.

Yeah. So just taste all around. Yeah. The hottest ever. It's interesting. I lean towards actually being attracted to masculine women yeah um i i think billy billy is like my i would love to see that crossover right oddly like it works it works oddly like it like it like it doesn't work so hard that like it actually might you know if

we see jojo with like lime green hair next week we'll know what's going on for sure okay she's awesome how funny that would be what i want to just know what's your death row meal my death row meal okay i eat insanely healthy right now and i have for like the last year and a half all i would want on death row it's my last day yeah i want ramen noodles pizza rolls and craft mac and cheese i want to throw it back to my fucking 10 year old diet absolutely i eat all of that literally right now like give me some extra cheddar blasted goldfish oh my god i just had those last night some sour punch straws like take the fucking smart sweets and throw them out i want some real i love smart sweets they're all i eat now but i know i've been trying to eat those instead of candy but it's it's not the same

they're amazing but like i just want to feel like absolute crap yeah that diabetes pack yes give me donuts give me it all um what else do i want to know what's your biggest pet peeve oh my biggest pet peeve there's all like the small ones like the breathing and the chewing of food and the like that's like that vibe for me but then like real pet peeve honestly special forces got rid of a lot of my pet peeves because it just didn't matter anymore yeah like there was there was a day where literally like i used to be like a germaphobe like do not share drinks do not share food like nothing okay how you mind though i didn't know yeah like wouldn't share would maybe share with my mom it was like necessary or with somebody

like a girlfriend like or or i had a boyfriend as well but like that was it yeah um and on special forces there was days where like i literally would just like drink my water you need water right now like and like they i would give it to like some of the boys first and then i would drink right after them because it just didn't matter anymore and it was either drink or don't that's probably a crazy experience i can't even imagine i just like it does take away all the little shit because you're so focused on like and you don't get to live to family you don't get to speak to the world you don't have your phone you don't get to talk to the outside world you anytime you have a moment of celebration you are knocked back down to zero yeah you i mean there are countless and you chose to do this you were like i chose it

second i got the offer i said yes like i saw season one and was like why am i not a part of this yeah going into it i i thought i knew what to expect being there there's i've never been on a show that i i really is nothing in comparison to no literally nothing nothing but I like whenever I talk about special forces and in length I call I call it selection so selection means show and recruits means cast yeah and like whenever I talk about it like I literally will be like during selection because like I you never thought it was a part of a tv show oh because it's just like you don't care that you're being filmed you're doing shit that's so you are just there and you are you are in it and there is no like the only time the wall broke of the TV show really was some tasks you

would see cameramen but they would wear our same outfit so they really blended in yeah and um other times you we got miked twice a day they'd have to change our batteries but you couldn't talk to the crew they wouldn't talk to you like the same guy mike doesn't you couldn't talk to them like there was never only talk to the people on the show who was your favorite cast member me tyler cameron and nick vile got really close yeah those three like us three are like brothers yeah and sister obviously they're like brothers to me yeah yeah what was it like being with black china like what was she like i think it's cool that she chose to do that i wouldn't i do too i think it's her rebrand is so cool like yeah she she was really

cool she had some beef with some people that i like was like zoning out for because like sleep when you can yeah and so like i woke up i was like what's going on and like couldn't get into the drama like i don't know what what actually ended up happening i still don't know to this day um but she's she's beautiful like i yeah i didn't know what to expect with her she's great wow i love that honestly everyone on on forces was i feel like in all the time that I've known and seen you, you can tell that that really did change you, but just you are like really maturing, being completely,

you've always been who you are, but I mean like, I just like, this is fucking JoJo. This is your moment. You're one of those people, and I don't think this a lot about anyone, but like I'm so excited to see what the future holds for you.

Thank you. Who is JoJo in 10 years? Oh man. I wish I knew i i see like four paths for me yeah i'm the thing i'm most excited about is to be a mom i i cannot wait to be a mom i can't wait to have babies right now i'm in i want twin boys and a baby girl that's that's my phase i'm in right now but i mean it changes all the time and I'm gonna be happy with whatever little nuggets I end up with um yeah but I want to tour I want to perform that's my that's my like passion so there's no like fall off Wyoming moment like you you're gonna be doing the damn thing I want to be doing the damn thing yeah I really do and if my life takes me somewhere else you know it does and I I don't try listen I've tried to predict the future and I've planned two

weddings and I've planned babies with people and I clearly was wrong you know what I mean like I think after I planned my second wedding and I was wrong I was like okay no more planning anything absolutely honestly I'm the same way when people ask me that I'm like listen let's get through tomorrow yeah you know what I mean but I was just curious that's the plan but you have no idea how much it means to us to have you on oh my god i love being here like we i'm literally in awe of you i think that's the craziest you have the craziest life story and you are definitely just doing i feel like make a wish right now you're doing get out of here i know no you're doing i'm like little kids you can really talk you are so So so sweet

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