Cancelled with Tana Mongeau & Brooke Schofield - 9: Episode 9: Ethan Cutkosky

Episode Date: September 27, 2021

In this episode Tana and Brooke are joined by Ethan Cutkosky. They discuss Shameless, Raya, acting, the opportunity of social media and much more. This episode is sponsored by Noom (http://www.noom.com/tana) , Blue Chew (http://www.bluechew.com offer code Tana), and Cerebral (http://www.cerebral.com/tana). Ethan Cutkosky Linktree: https://linktr.ee/ekat19 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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wanted you on this podcast for a minute everyone's obsessed with you and every single time we hang out i get death threats ethan kutkoski is here hello ethan correctly did i say it right oh you did everybody always what is it Kutkowski. I feel like with a last name like Mojo, I really look at people's last names and try. Because I hate it. Everybody fucks up my last name. That's all that happens. I feel like I've done the Kutkowski, Kutkowski.

I actually said it right. Yeah, you said it right. Well, Ethan is our bestie. And we decided we'd have him on the podcast and get to know him a little more. Because to be quite frank, all we really do is party with Ethan. So you know what I mean? Yeah.

We only get to know each other so much yeah brooke is here too brooke hates me i'm so bad at that so today we just wanted to have a little conversation with ethan and you know talk about life obviously i was just saying that you know we all go out a lot and we do a lot of stuff together but i don't know a lot about shameless and like you know how you grew up and everything that's you you know, comes with your life. The other day we were like in the car on the way to Starbucks. He was like, I have this huge meeting with like Actors Guild. And like, can I say the person?

Which person was it? Harry. Oh, oh, yeah. Because. Oh, yeah. No, we it's called the Creative Coalition. Oh, and it's basically it's like a bunch of actors and directors and producers kind of like all supporting the arts. Harry Hamlin being one of the people that are involved because he was on Shameless with us.

Oh, yeah. He played Cameron Monaghan's boyfriend on the show back a few seasons ago. OK, OK. So, yeah, but we were in the car on the way to Starbucks and he just started saying this to me. He's like, I have a meeting with the Creative Coalition. I like turned. I was like, damn, I really want you on the podcast because it's like i know you in the ways that i know you you know but like i don't know a lot about your life and your day-to-day and i felt like it'd be a very

interesting thing for people to kind of learn more about you know right and you don't do a lot of podcasts ethan this morning i was kind of like looking to see like you know other things that you've done so i was i was excited that you were coming on here because I feel like the last thing you did was a no jumper with Diablo and Lil Xan, which is just the craziest trio, in my opinion. It's funny because people always kind of come for you and I about our friendship. You know what I mean? They're like, why the fuck are you friends with her? Like, OK, so he's like really like Carl in real life. Like, he's crazy if he's friends with her.

And I'm like, his best friend is Lil Xan and Diablo. Like, I was not so out of character for him to be hanging out with Tana Mongeau if anything it's very in character if Lil Xan's your best friend you know what I mean I met them I met them that was when I was 18 I just moved out here so terrible I moved out here fucking when I just turned 18 I was like last time I lived at home I was 17 yeah like I missed that honestly how old are you now 22 right no definitely but moving to LA is because you're from Chicago right yeah and I didn't even. I was 17. Yeah. Like I miss that honestly. How old are you now? 22. Right. No definitely. Moving to LA because you're from Chicago right? Yeah.

I didn't even think I was ever going to move out here. Ever? No. Like I was I started Shameless when I was nine years old and then we finished up

this year in March. Oh my god. So nine to 21. 11. Oh my god. 11 fucking I mean today I was really thinking about that.

I'm on season one right now. We started it on the way to Dallas. I was like you know what let's walk like I was trying to research. Yeah. And I'm like it's weird because I'm on season one right now. We started it on the way to Dallas. I was like, you know what? Let's walk. Like I was trying to research. Yeah. And I'm like, it's weird because you're literally nine.

No, yeah. Like I was filmed the pilot fourth grade, filmed first season fifth grade. It was, you know. But what I think is the most impressive is that you still managed to go all the way through school and graduate high school.

Wait, like regular school? And you went to public school like while doing Shameless. You fully. I would spend five, six months filming Shameless, then go go home i had my public school send me work and you have studio teachers on set and emma kenney who played my co-star debbie gal yeah my brother or not my brother my sister and uh fucking yeah her and i were kind of both in the same realm that she would go back home to new jersey go to public school she was a year ahead of me and my parents just

made sure that i stayed in school because they're like, they didn't want it. They didn't mean for any of this to happen. I feel like that's like a unique situation, though, because it's like Shameless isn't a show that anybody in like elementary, middle school is watching. So it's not like it's like you're on Hannah Montana and you're going to regular school. Like if anything, adults are right. But I guess that's kind of good because I feel like if you were on like a Disney show and going to regular regular school people would be way more crazy and like by the time high school it was like i mean i was already getting bullied from it from like very early on because bullied oh yeah oh no it was i remember like i was like it was freshman year i was in math class and i remember i had a teacher

i was talking to like a student like you know your fucking kids talk to you in class and i'm talking and he all of a sudden just pulled like says in front of the classroom ethan this isn't beverly hills anymore you need to stay quiet sudden just says in front of the classroom, Ethan, this isn't Beverly Hills anymore. You need to stay quiet. I wanted to run out of the classroom crying. Dude, that's so mean, especially if I'm an adult, because it's just like you're still a kid, you're still in school, you're still normal.

And for people like that, that's so fucking mean. Whoever you are, fuck you, suck a dick, die, go. That's so rude. That's ridiculous. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I obviously tried a little bit of school when I started being an influencer, but people constantly talking about it. And you're famous now. The thing, and like I just, when I not gonna lie. Like I obviously tried a little bit of school when I started being an influencer, but people constantly talking about it and you're famous now.

And like, I just, when I went back to school, I was so embarrassed to ever talk about it. I never want, I would like tell people, no, that's not me. Like when I was younger, I remember people come up to me and even my mom be like, no, just say it's not you. Cause like, that's not the attention that we were looking for.

That's not how I was brought up. And you know, my mom's, especially I teach my dad's an engineer. So- The way I was brought up. And, you know, my mom's, especially I teach my dad, he's an engineer, so. The way I was on his Wikipedia this morning and know that, like, did my research. So you said your parents, like,

didn't mean for that to happen. How did it happen? So it was a way for my mom and I to spend time together. I'm the only child. I was super hyperactive. Me too. And my mom was like,

I don't know what the hell it had to do with this kid. Like, I brought him to all, like, the extracurricular classes. Somebody said, bring him to an open photo shoot i there i was like on schoolastic books as a child like i'm like in spanish books like sitting in front of a globe like this i'm like i literally have people dm me pictures like is this you damn that's actually and so that's kind of like how it started and then i started auditioning i did fred claus the movie when i

was seven yeah i got cut from it rude and there was a scene with Vince Vaughn I remember I love Vince that's like my biggest celebrity crush she says that about every single fucking

actor Vince Vaughn they're all in the same like realm like Vince Vaughn Adam Sandler like that vibe 100%

like dad bod like super like talented actor that was first grade so it was just kind of like oh my parents like oh it's in Chicago we filmed a movie

that also filmed in Chicago it's called The Unborn it was a horror movie yeah i literally played a demon in it not a little like all this crazy makeup on and so then my parents are just like all right it's cool like you can go back and forth to school yeah but that's so much better than having a stage parent because i feel like a lot of the kids who are like really fucked up like not normal people in hollywood are the ones with the fucking parents who were like deliberately oh, deliberately, like I want my kid to be a star. Yeah. I mean, even as you like look at it, like I remember like I've had this like realization.

I was like, we've been going out more and more. And I'm like, damn, like this is like I've spent 11 years surrounded by adults specifically. And so it's like then you're like, this is like now like my age group and trying to like figure out like common ground and conversation. Diablo and I always say Ethan's like a little puppy. Like you're the nicest person. Like it's so funny whenever like clout chasing bitches are like following Ethan around. Not like me, like I'm like a good clout chasing bitch.

But I mean like an actual, like just demon, like Diablo and I have to protect you. I know because I have such like a bad like radar for that. Cause I'll always talk to anybody. I'm like, you know, even I remember when I was going out in Chicago when I was younger and like going out, like when I first started going out there and I was like, oh, I just want to meet people and like talk to everybody. Tana has the same problem, too, though, where she's almost like like blind to it.

I like run into it a lot with her where like people are like so clearly like at like trying to talk to her because of like her followers, whatever. And she just doesn't know. And I'm literally like, because it's like they suck your ass and then they're rude to everyone else yeah it's like oh you're so nice like they'll be like evil to everyone around her but like so nice to her and i'm like okay and i found it so hard to like say anything so i just kind of like that's why i just get quiet or like walk away yeah no but you're you're good at it now it's we were just at dinner at um katana and it was so funny to me because i feel like my demographic is very much like girls crazy girls you know but your. But your demographic is, I mean, you're just fucking more famous than me. It's very respectable.

No, but it's everyone. Like, we're sitting there and every single waiter is like, I love your work in Shameless. I love this. And you handle it well. Like, you still get fucked up. You're still doing your thing. But you're like, you know, like, you can deal with it well. And it's weird because, like, you see, like, the audience that Shameless has captured is, like, I've met a 12-'ve met a 12 year old girl with her mother saying like oh this is my favorite show yeah and then you see

this like super old conservative parents that going like that was our family i remember i was in chicago one time and i think it was um some people on the street they were from pakistan they didn't even speak any english yeah and they stopped me and they could only like say carl gallagher and i'm just, this is like fucking crazy. Like you just see the demographic all over the world. I know. I was literally going to like ask you about that. Like just worldwide fame like that.

And it being like the entire demographic. Do you ever feel like being a child star at such a young age? And you know what I mean? From nine up? I mean, you auditioned when you were how old? I auditioned for Shameless probably fourth grade, 2009. Like from fourth grade to now. Do you feel like it affected you in any way, or do you feel like you handled it in a well way?

I guess, like, when I was in high school, I didn't even look at it like that. When people would be like, oh, you're this, I'd go, no, I don't really feel like that. That doesn't, like, really account for, like, what Ethan is. Like, that's not, like, what Ethan's about. Was that ever – I think it's very crazy. I was just watching this Miley Cyrus interview, right, where Miley, she, I forget who it was. I want to say it was Kevin Hart, but I don't remember. But she broke down to someone, like, not the trauma, but the way it affected her mentally to be Hannah and to be herself.

And it was like she puts on the wig and she's Hannah and everyone freaks out or, like, she's out in public as Miley, but everyone expects her to be Hannah. Did you ever deal with the fact that so many people, they kind of expect you to be Carl? Like, you know what I mean? Like, did that ever affect you? It wasn't necessarily like they expect that. But I think when I noticed like the energy, like when you're young, you're like, oh my gosh, like this many eyes on you. And you're like, you're still like, I mean, 16 year olds, I get like to the point, like most 16 year olds drink, most 16 year olds smoke pot. Like this is like, that's the time like you first tried that. Yeah. And you shouldn't be shunned or, you know,

yes, there is like a way like, Oh, you shouldn't be 16 out blacked out at a club. Like that's probably, you know, but there are kids who do that. And that's where it's like,

it's a fine balance. Like, you know, for people that have 10 times more eyes on them, I felt like I was able to navigate my realm and still do my hoodlum stuff with my friends. And but and not let it like, you know, have it get back to me that hard. The one thing I did happen to me is I got arrested when I was 18. I didn't think you were going to bring it up.

Oh, yeah. She had it in the list. And I go, we got to cut that. That's all. We can't ask him about that. Because it was such bullshit. You didn't do anything wrong. No, such bullshit would happen because, I mean, I was so embarrassed

when I was 18 and now that I look back on it, I'm like, this is like, you know, they sold an article off, actually. So if you look back, like, what actually happened, I got pulled over.

My friend was smoking a joint in the back. I haven't smoked over three hours smoking every day, you know. You're not high at that point. I'm like, this looks really bad, officer. Let me get out the car,

comply with you. I'm trying to talk to him about Game of Thrones. He's like, yeah, put your hands on your back. And I'm like, what? I'm like, I just moved you. I'm trying to talk to him about Game of Thrones. He's like, yeah, put your hands on your back. And I'm like, oh no,

what? I'm like, I just moved out of here. I just want to talk about Game of Thrones. I'm like, I'm like, call my mom.

I'm like, mom, I don't know what's going on. And then I remember, so the reason, the reason why it got public is because every person's arrest record,

you can look it up, but it's just like Ethan Kikoski, what the number was for, because they technically tried to charge me the DUI for it because Which is fucked too because it makes so many people think you were drinking and driving. Oh yeah, no, and it's like your friend's smoking a joint in the car. And so then that's all that it said online.

And then all of a sudden TMZ, Washington Post, they had this article of Ethan getting out of the car, slurred, talking shit, acting all up. And I'm like, I'm literally standing there shaking like going like trying to have a normal conversation because i'm dead sober yeah and just freaking out like and i remember like my grandparents in nebraska were like yo we like saw this article of you like their neighbors are i'm like it just like astounded me and like it was it was embarrassing at the time i was like 18 like it was like very like damn like this isn't how i want to be 100 now i look back on it go that was like such bs because that was not like, very, like, damn, like, this isn't how I want to be looked at. 100%. Now I look back on it and go, that was, like, such BS because that was not what I did.

100%. Did you ever, like, defend yourself or just let it die down? No, I just let it die down. Like, there was no point because it just didn't really, like, matter at that point. I'm like, you know, whatever. I'll go through the bullshit of it. Do you feel like the media has done a lot of stuff like that to you where they either try to paint you like your character or paint you in the wrong light? Or was that kind of, like, an anomaly?

No, because I really kind of stayed out of it and like that's the thing from like a young age like this is like you know first time like we've been hanging out we've been going out like you know i'm more on social media like i didn't even post on social media before i was 18 no i remember the first time i asked you to make a tiktok and you were down i was like are you sure but it's like because i didn't have like a reason i felt like i didn't have a reason to be on social media before i was 18 because I wanted to do clothing before. Yeah, that's how I discovered you

was someone tagged your brand. Chaotic, right? I sent you some stuff like two and a half years ago. Probably never posted it. No, you didn't. I'm just kidding. I think Avari did.

Aw, look at that. But that's the thing. It's like, you know, it was just like fun to send stuff out. Like, you know, it wasn't like really like about that.

The clothing brand was cool to me because I felt like it was you finally like creatively branching out in the ways that you wanted to and that's like where i wanted like i started clothing then went to music and want because i've always wanted to do that since a very young age yeah did shameless ever put you in contracts where you couldn't do stuff like that so it was kind of like not like any stuff with like that i think you know there's like times like say if like i got an offer for something that was filming during shameless it it would be impossible to do. Right. You know,

luck, you know, it was very luck of the draw. Emma Kenny, she works, she was working on the Connors while shameless was filming. So she was able to go back and forth between sets. Cause it filmed right in LA,

ABC Bradford. So that was really nice, but there was no way you could go to like New York and film something else. But obviously it's a good thing. Cause you becoming like Carl in a way was like such an iconic thing for your career. It's funny, though, because I feel like today, especially when I was researching your character, they were telling me that they had you like I super finished that. Sorry. They had you when you were like 10 years old, like getting a bag of cocaine, shooting an eagle.

Like and then the family ate it for dinner, I guess, in the show for Shameless. And I was like, that's so not like Ethan. So it's funny. And then one of your friends actually feted you out before this. Maybe I'll cut this. and the family ate it for dinner, I guess, and the show for Shameless, and I was like, that's so not like Ethan, so it's funny. And then one of your friends actually feted you out before this, maybe I'll cut this, but they said that, it's one of the biggest pop stars in the world, I'm sure you know

what I'm talking about now, slid in your DMs. Like, I don't know if I wanna say it. You might have to vet this one out. Yeah, well I'll just bleep it, right? Yeah. Okay, like slid in your DMs. Oh yeah, that was like years ago, we were just getting friends, like that was like super,

like I remember, I didn't even like realize. You're so cute. I didn, that was, like, super, like, I didn't even, like, realize. You're so cute. I didn't even realize, like, that she was, like, I didn't realize at that point. And I was, like, oh, my gosh. Like, this is, like, super fucking crazy. Yeah. You know, being, like, this, like, small town kid

and, like, seeing stuff like that. I'm, like, it's still, like, to me to this day, I'm, like, it's so weird. Yeah. It's, like, benign. Like, not, like, how I grew up. I'm from a 30,000 person town. Do you ever feel like people expect you on a date

to kind of be like Carl and then you're there and you're actually just like sweet and normal? And it's like honestly, most of the time I've ever been with like a girl and I get to know me. They go, this is not how I expected you to be. Yeah, it's shocking. They're like, they're like, that's like why I live so far out. Like, because it's like, you know, like I didn't I didn't come to L.A. to like be on that vibe. I know. It's funny now, though, because you're starting to get into the L.A. vibe. But Ethan lives like 45 minutes away. So he'll be like, yo, I'll be at your house in 55 minutes. I know. It's funny now though because you're starting to get into the LA vibe but Ethan lives like

45 minutes away so he'll be like yo I'll be at your house in 55 minutes. I'll be out there in an hour. Like you're so timely. Yeah I'm not really that timely but it's just funny

because everyone like lives down the street but you're still kind of like distanced from it. You and Diablo have the best friendship. It's actually adorable. I feel like he looks out for you.

Yeah it's been really nice like to have him out here because you know as we're going out like he also understands it's like we can both like go out and like vibe off each other. 100%. And he like he'll make sure you're good.

It's funny. The other night we were like at this this TikTok party and it was just so funny seeing all the TikTok. I was like, oh, my God, Ethan's here. I was like, he's going to he's going to run away and freak out. He does not like this. I don't even know. There it was like it was kind of like more comfortable because we knew everybody there. And also having the adults there,

I love adults. So I'll vibe off of them. Dude, I have to say the funniest fucking thing the other night was Ethan spent the majority of his night with Mark D'Amelio.

I love that. Honestly, Mark is a young Mark. I was like, because I love adults. I'm just like, yeah. Like, how are you? No, and he loved you. Like, it was a vibe.

It was funny. We actually always have so much fun with Mark D'Amelio. We do. I feel like you and I just have fun with other people's parents because I'm like, how are you? No, and he loved you. Like, it was a vibe. It was funny. We actually always have so much fun with Mark D'Amelio. We do. I feel like you and I just have fun with other people's parents. Because I feel like, I'm like, oh, my God, a parent? Like, this is crazy. Literally.

Literally. I'm like, oh, my God, people have parents that are this dope. Like, cool, nice parents who, like, engage with people. No, but Charlie and Dixie have the best fucking parents. Literally so fun. We had the best time with them at, like, Little Huddy's, like, launch or whatever. No, I know. They're just so interesting

but I get that I've always been like that like my friends I always love their parents because it's like so exciting yeah they are the best and I feel like they like resonate with child star as well

so you were just vibing yeah that's what we were like all talking about like telling them like this is like what happened I was growing up fully yeah

and they were fun though they're definitely like the most fun it's great but I mean as much as you are so innocent my favorite thing about you that I think is like a dichotomy to your innocence is that you do love like toxicity

yeah like yeah yeah t like you you've been i i don't know how i want to talk about this because i don't i don't want to get a tread lightly on this one super tread lightly on this one i'm trying to think about it but i mean like you're you're I think that's almost one of the things that we have in common. Most of the relationships I've had have been like very like high octane fuel. Yeah 100%.

Since a very young age. That's like our only bonding point. Like we're definitely very not alike but then we're like but we love the toxic shit. And I'm like

I don't want a relationship then I like you know you find somebody you're like oh this could be fun then all of a sudden you're like wait this is like too much

this is like a lot and then you're like oh wait, this could be fun. Then all of a sudden you're like, wait, this is like too much. This is like a lot. And then you're like, oh, wait, I'm like 22. Like this is. I'm just, I'm thinking. He said trend lightly. I am, I am, I am. We have the most insane conversations. So having you on the podcast is funny

because I have to like keep it a little PC. Here's a good, here's a good like question. What would you say, and the fans want to know, baby. I asked the fans for questions for you. We'll into more of those but i think the one they want to know the most is what is your current relationship status right now i think as of today i think we're now yeah you're toxic mother i know i like toxic not dating anybody anymore where it was like not like an exclusive dating but you know now we're just like realize like at this age it's a little much you don't want to like fuck yourselves up because i feel like that's like that's like like honestly when i when i get in a relationship i'm like very

serious about it because you're either gonna get married or break up like i mean like i just like when you have serious like emotions somebody like i would go to therapy with somebody like that shit like it to talk it out because you're fucking 22 you're both crazy as hell like you don't hear that like at the end of the day like don't like don't fool yourself you're not that mature at this age we're all like children technically so that's very self-aware like you know so it's like it's healthy to be able to have somebody there and like talk this stuff out if you want to take a relationship that seriously yeah you were just at shabbat though for full family moment she was she was almost gonna be nice about it. And then I decided not to.

But it was lovely. I mean, like I love stuff like that. Because we are. Because like, I mean, to be honest, like that stuff get like that's like, you know, what I like. Yeah. It reminds me of like kind of growing up like, oh, this is like being like normal with your family and friends.

Like this is as opposed to like us going out like this. My family was shameless. No. And that's that is crazy, too, that you're, again, such a dichotomy from Carl because you're a family person. But then I also like having our fun, you know, demon time.

Yeah, 100% demon time. Because we'll go out, have our fun, but it's nice to, like, you need to have that grounding in this industry, too. You really need to know your ground and your roots. That's the most important thing. But everyone lives inside of that,

so I think it's very rare. I think that is what I look for in in friends as much as people are like oh my god tanda's so crazy and toxic i genuinely enjoy like but that's also like you know what a grounded person you know but it's also you have to play into like things that like make your brand work well too like that's also kind of like the fun part about this is because like every i mean even the people that dm me stuff thinking a certain way, it's just, like, it's fun to, like, try to, like, lead people in different directions. Yeah, oh, I love that. And trying to mess with it.

Like, that's, it's definitely very interesting. Sometimes you have to play into what people think about you because people are always going to think the craziest stuff. And when you're in this, like, fame realm, it's like, well, if you think that shit about me, I might as well, like, be that for sure. Like, play with it, kind of. Yeah. play with it kind of yeah i mean when it comes to now like after shameless do you like i feel like building another brand or acting as another character is going to be very interesting for people to see do you care to continue to act oh i love acting so i just i've got to work on two different things since shameless ended yeah law and order being the first one so that was an episode

i did back when i was 14 13 it's the only thing that i did actually while filming on shameless because i denied I denied projects. Yeah. I was like, I want to go to school. I want to be a kid. Like this is like what my life is. But Law and Order, I played the psychopath on there.

It's so funny because everything you play is just like our real life. Oh yeah. It's like a straight psychopath. And like we're living it. Like we grew up on Shameless and like I think we are Law and Order now. And then he's just like,

we're just a new blood. But they brought this character back this year that he got out of a mental hospital at 18 and then just goes on a killing spree. It's out right now. And I had so much fun working on it. And then I got the honor of working on this movie called Going Places. It's the first lead film I've ever done. So you're on every single page.

You're working 14 hours a day. It's a very vetted script. It's a coming of age, dark action comedy. And it's basically three friends go out to the desert. They're on their high school trip. Literally my life. And then they run somebody over and find out she has a million dollars

and they have to figure out what the fuck to do. Are they going to ditch the body? And then it starts kind of coming full circle. Also, you know, all these characters, like my character, he doesn't know what his sexuality is. He doesn know if he's gay bi straight asexual so they're all there's like all this emotions going on in this one night so you have comedy but then you have all these emotions of you know being 18 years old and figuring yourself out and it was some one of the most fun things i've got working on and one thing that I really do like though is that I feel like one thing that's like differentiates Ethan a lot from people in LA is that Brooke obviously you can

resonate with this the majority of guys especially actors in LA resonate so much with toxic masculinity and they like you know they're not so like yeah they're not open to like the LGBTQ community like they know nothing about pronouns or whatever and I've had like several conversations with you where you're like educating someone on their fucking pronouns or like you know like you're not afraid to say like i'm a fucking straight guy but i'm not like i don't need to be toxically masculine because i've said that before on this podcast where it's like it's so attractive to or like just cool to see in a guy when you're like not when you don't really care about that it's like you're not like gonna not hang out with someone because they're gay like

like things like that and it sounds so like rare duh but it's true like masculinity is like you have to understand that there's a balance between femininity and masculinity yeah you have to channel femininity at certain moments and as your partner whether it's a man or a woman that they're going to be you're going to both be back and forth and you have to handle certain situations like that well i was going to say that this is a match made in heaven, but you guys were already a match made on Raya. I know. Why would you do that? And then my Raya subscription

got canceled. Oh, yeah, sure. He's like, yeah. And then like I had to delete that. Then I had to delete it but like re-download it. No, but it's... Why would you...

I hate you so much. Do you know that I literally texted her before today and I go, I dare... Do please... That's almost what I said to you. I said, hey, last time I saw you was on Riot today. No, but I think it's kind of iconic because I feel like a lot of people.

I'm like, are they going to kick us off? They're going to kick us off. No, but a lot of people wouldn't expect Ethan to be on Riot and you're kind of like a Riot whore. But that's the thing is I didn't realize this. Not because they match. I'm a huge Riot guy. Well, the thing is I was going out and I realized like, oh like oh damn it's kind of hard to meet people in la like i'm from chicago where you go out to a bar and you just go up to somebody start talking yeah la is really not like that people are just like oh hi clicky

and they're like in their circles so i was like fuck it like i'll get on a dating app like i never thought i'd do this like people were faking me on tinder yeah so it's like all right raya like it's like much as it sounds like this is probably the most comfortable place to be. 100%. And so I remember I was on there. I was like, whoa, this is crazy. Like field day. Like this is, I'm just like, this is crazy.

No, it's fun. I remember when I first got, I was obsessed and it's like, it only gives you a certain amount of people at a time. So you're like, oh my God, I'm so excited. Yeah, you get like 30 matches every few hours. But then I've been going out and then like, I remember Chris was telling me, he's like, yo, you like match with like everybody in LA. Everyone. And I'm like, oh gosh, I didn't excited. Yeah, you get, like, 30 matches every few hours. But then I've been going out, and then, like, I remember Chris was telling me, like, yo, you, like, match with, like, everybody in LA. Everyone.

And I'm like, oh, gosh, I didn't mean to do that. This is my favorite match, though. I mean, like, I'm definitely, you know, there's some I'm sure you match with that are questionable. So loving that for you. But, I mean, it's funny because Raya is kind of, like, I don't want to call it, like, a game because maybe I sound like a sociopath saying that. But, like, just going through and, like, hearting people and shit. Like, it's fun, you know?

It's fun. I remember I'm banned from Raya because I used it when I was underage sorry Raya wait really yeah yeah I was 17 and I was using Raya and then I had it for like years and then they one day they just sent me a thing like get the fuck off the app well now

we're both gonna be banned because you're not supposed to talk about it oh really yeah are we actually gonna Raya don't ban us please don't ban us we didn't mean it we're just trying to talk about it like in a real life way gonna you can don't ban us please don't mean it we're just trying to talk about it like in a real life way what it means don't ban us this is my only social life no it happens all the time like there was a girl who made a tiktok about like matching with the guy from friends oh you should you should have told me that before i wouldn't have said it but a girl made a tiktok about matching with chandler and she got like fully but we didn't

talk about anybody that we're matching with well that's true yeah you're right we're just saying we're matching with you and I like and I'm just like I've realized I'm like don't ban us both of us give consent to talk about it yeah we're good fully but that was crazy because she fully exposed the guy from friends and then they have the friends reunion right after and I feel like a lot of us were like that's that's the whole point of like being on right like

I so I found um my castmate on there and I remember I just sent her some like fucked up shit on DMs. I tried to screenshot it and I didn't realize you can't take screenshots. And I'm like, oh shit. Like, oh my gosh. Yeah. If you take three screenshots of Raya, you fully get banned.

But that's also kind of cool because there's fucking like, you know. So many exposers. Yeah. Do you deal with that a lot? Girls ever, do you ever like fuck with a girl and then she's trying to like expose you? Wait, what's your astrological sign? I'm a Leo. Oh my gosh.

I'm like, that's new. What's yours? I don't know. You don't know? When's your birthday? Sagittarius. No, I'm Sag. Yeah. Wait, what's your astrological sign? I'm a Leo. Oh, my gosh. I'm like, that's new. What's yours? I don't know. You don't know? When's your birthday? Sagittarius. No, I'm Sagittarius. Oh, okay, you're Sagittarius.

When's your birthday? I'm a Cancer. You're a Cancer? Yeah. But I'm on the cusp of a Gemini. No, see, I always say that my sister's a Cancer, and she terrifies me. But I love her, and I love you. And you also terrify me.

So, I mean, you know, Cancers are a lot. Like, I'm very emotional, for sure. Yeah, no, Cancers are great. I mean, honestly, I have no problems with all the signs. terrifying so i mean you know cancers are a lot like i'm very emotional for sure yeah no can't i cancers are great i was like they're i mean honestly i have no problems all the signs i mean i've been realizing what's the one that's like toxic is it a scorpio gemini and there's a mosquito on your face i need to cut i just killed it oh my god yes shameless yes psycho icon let's see i have i have a lot of questions for you and a lot are from fans. Go to the section that says fun questions.

Yeah, I want to hear these fun questions. Okay. I read this beforehand, the fun questions. It goes DUI? I go, how is that a fun question? I like how that's... I mean, we cleared it. That's the first time I've ever talked about it.

Because this is the right setting to talk about it in. I'm not going to be on with... We are canceled yeah i mean like but it's like it's there's also like a real life like way to look at it being like yeah that's like kind of what happened well and it's one thing to like drink and drive and then have to you know try to i mean obviously i don't there's a lot of things you just should never do you know 100 but obviously people like khloe kardashian had a fucking dui and like she grew up i mean like yeah you should like like that was what thing you know drink and drive yeah 100% that's just like the dumb machine

but for you to clear you're like I like I'm happy that you're able to talk about it now because it's like you were literally you smoked a joint four hours before you were in a car and they were definitely like it was definitely like a media blitz trying to just come for you so to like clear that is like good um who's your number one celebrity crush

I never really had celebrity crushes like cop out was that I'm like that's a cop out you better tell us right now I'm trying to think

like people like are you talking my age like right now like who I thought was beautiful was Lily Collins so I think Lily Collins

is gorgeous and such a great actress too seriously like I was I remember I watched all of Emily in Paris for some reason

I was just like I binged it and I just got, like, insane with it for some reason. Yeah. But then I watched the Jeff, or what is it, the movie with Zac Efron that she was in about, it wasn't Jeffrey Donovan, was it? No, no, no, it was about Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy. That's one of my favorite movies of all time. And then by just seeing her range in that and just going like, oh, I could watch, like,

Emily in Paris and it's like this very, like, lighthearted show and then seeing how serious she can play. As Ted Bundy's wife that's my favorite movie ever what was the movie she did about anorexia she did like a and she was like fully CGI'd in the film like she was like they made her like

stick stick thin I have no idea but I'd love to watch it like seeing her in that I was like oh my god she's so talented yeah her range is absolutely crazy that's really so you like dating other actresses though cause a lot of actors are very- I've never dated an actress. Really? No.

Who was the craziest person that ever got at you where you were like, whoa, like this person's sliding in my DMs. This person's getting at me. I mean, I think I told you that, like the, like seeing like that, like that wasn't like her sliding at me.

It was just like, oh, like- Just recognizing. Like, oh, I fuck with you. Like she just said, oh, I fuck with your work. And I think like, those like years later, I'm like, oh my gosh,

like that's so crazy. It's almost better. Like someone like respects what you do. Oh yeah, no, it was just like, yo, I fuck with your work Like she just said, oh, I fuck with your work. And I think like those like years later, I'm like, oh my gosh, like that's so crazy. That's almost better. Like someone like respects what you do. Oh yeah, no, it was just like, yo, I fuck with your work. I think it was like, yo, you're inspiring me like what you do. It was very lighthearted, like super cool. But you're no stranger to like doing this kind of evil. You're no stranger to a celebrity though.

We dated the same girl. I didn't. You took, you're taking words out of context. I never dated that person. I never dated. You never dated her? No, we didn't date. We just talked a little bit. You just, a little bit? Yeah, context. I never dated that person. I never dated. You never dated her? No, we didn't date. We just talked a little bit.

You just, a little bit? Yeah, no. I mean, I'm known, like I'm. Now I'm going to get canceled for attacking you. I know. Sorry. I had a good friendship with her. That's the thing.

It's like, I never wanted, I would never had a bad experience. Are you still on good terms with her? I haven't spoken to her like in a while. So I would hope we are. That's good. I mean, like I don't have anything ever to bad say about her. That's a really good thing. Like I've known her since very young. So nothing bad to say. I love her. I mean, like, I don't have anything ever to bad say about her. That's a really good thing. Like, I've known her since very young, so nothing bad to say.

I love her. I'm her biggest fan. That was, like, our first bonding point, though, is that we were blood brothers. Yeah, blood brothers. Okay, so I feel like something that, especially in the beginning of fame, this came a lot with me. You know what I mean? Especially, like, when you kind of, not blow up overnight, but you know what I mean? Like when you kind of not blow up overnight but you know what I mean like your fame

becomes very prevalent and you have a like we just talked about a very big range of fans but a lot of your fan base is also girls that are so in love with you you know what I mean

like you have a cult following which I didn't realize until literally like when you first posted with him I was like oh my god no I've never been so attached well you posted too

like I just saw like more like girls coming I was like whoa I've never I was like, whoa. I've never. I was like, this is crazy. I've never received death threats hanging out with Ethan. It's funny. No, the death threats are all there.

The other day I posted a TikTok with you to the You Alright sound. And it was me saying when a lot of his fans come and try to kill me every time I hang out with him. And it's literally true. And someone finally, the top comment was actually like, people don't realize how traumatic this is. Like, Tana, are you okay? And I was like, oh my God, that is like a kind of a crazy thing women in the industry they get the worst in their comments like that's the thing like it's fucked up like the shit that they'll talk about like whether their looks their bites you don't like i'm fine with all that though

just don't try to kill me but i mean like it's fucked up because you see it like actually like affect like young like people like you have like you know young actresses singers influencers on instagram that are still dealing with like their image like i mean fucking like we're still dealing with our image and as a guy you're right like people like you know what i mean like people are less attacky to you and it's like but it sucks that you see that on social media for women a lot yeah it's just like it's really shitty that's a sweet thing to say i honestly go off even ethan's heart is really showing on this podcast but i mean he's so much better than us he really is so much better than us it's actually insane

I was surprised he showed up today I was like you can cancel I swear but have you ever had crazy fan encounters like what's the craziest thing a fan's ever tried to do to get at you I've had people like break in my hotel rooms I've had people like stalk me to the core there was one time I mean like it's kind of there's just been like a convoluted stuff

it was just kind of like started becoming like you know interesting see I remember when we were filming shameless we would have people come outside the hotel and like wait and like they're all super dope but one day I'm there I'm like 16 and I get a text from the security downstairs and they're like breach has happened stay in your room and I'm like oh fuck is there like a shooter here like I was like no like it literally scared me. And then they're like, nevermind. It's just a 14 year old girl and her mother looking for you. I mean, it's sad, but it's cute. I just imagine like this happens a lot,

like with like David Dobrik and like those people too. It's like, why are these parents allowing their kids to do that? Like, like what kind of parent is like, yes, actually let's go to this guy's house. Or like they would come down to like the South side of Chicago, like where we're filming. And it's like, yo, like, this is not for place for you to be out at the middle of the night.

Because it's not the kid's fault. Like if you're a young kid and you love them. And your mom's like, yeah, like, sure. Like, of course you'd go. But it's like as a parent, don't do that. Living next to Hype House, I really like gotta, sorry to cut you off. But I was saying that like,

I always enjoy talking to like anybody that appreciates my work because I always said that there's no, no bone in me that I ever want to be rude to somebody because if I was and I don't deserve to be doing 100 percent. That's my biggest thing. And people like we I cannot be great friends with you if you're like fucking rude to your fans. That's that's my favorite thing. Honest to God about you. We talk about this all the time is that you like no matter how like drunk she is how like how much of a rush we're in she's always like will always take the time and that's and that was like one of the first things

i noticed like you took the time and like would talk to people and that's like what i really fucked with because there's you see so many people in this industry that don't know and i feel like that's such like and that's what made me feel awkward as a kid is when people would say that and like feeling like you have to like not talk about it because like you want to talk to this person you want to normalize the situation and i i've been in situations where you guys say hey hold on this a little much right now that's maybe like yeah like i'm but they appreciate that yeah it's like you can just normalize a conversation right but parents for sure definitely there there is a line where it should there has to be a boundary where it's like

it's like this is in like an inappropriate time or like an inappropriate situation like don't come to my house don't come like when we've been at like intimate parties like where we's like this is an inappropriate time or like an inappropriate situation. Like don't come to my house, don't come to my hotel. Like when we've been at like intimate parties, like where it's like our kind of friend groups and we know people and somebody comes up to you and says like, oh this, it's like, no, you can like introduce, you can ask my name, you can introduce, like we're not like out like randomly, like we're-

Or people just think they know you so well. We're with mutual friends. Like we can just say, hey, what's your name? Like, oh, I've talked with you. Yeah, and I mean, I always think about the fact that like who i am online is very like crazy so it's like people definitely think that we're best friends automatically and sometimes people think you may know you come up to her with saying the craziest things i just got gang banged and it was for you no i can't i see no that's it sounds like an exaggeration but it's literally not like people feel so so incredibly

close to her and she puts so much of her life like out there that we'll meet people and they'll be like, Oh my God, I'm a porn star and you have inspired my every move. And it's like, okay. It's crazy to say because Shameless has such like a dark, like deep.

That's what I was going to say. Yeah, it's like a similar situation. And I've heard so many people's stories and like you hear the emotions that people are talking about. This is what helped me. I mean, even like people relate to Carl,

you know? And that's kind of also what like pointed me to want to make music is to make people feel less alone and stuff to talk about emotions. Yeah, about stuff like that was that's I remember listening to music when I was in sixth grade. That's where I first discovered that's what I want to do. One hundred percent. Talk about this stuff. I love music. I think but I think it's also important when we're in our positions is to open up the conversation about mental health about people feeling alone and saying like that these everybody deals with this stuff and there's people

in the industry that are very lifestyle but they don't talk about stuff that brings groups together the underdogs and i think that's something that's very important i resonate so well with that it's like i i feel like i i definitely vibe with the underdog way more than the like winner because it's like you know that's just how I am. I mean, I went through high school feeling like that. Like I felt like, you know, yeah, I'm different. You know, we always jokingly call Ethan a pick me, but he also loves pick me girls. But it was like bully.

But, you know, being in high school, like I was like I was friends with those popular kids, but I wasn't part of their group. Yeah, I was I was part of the stoner kid group. Yeah, I was like, and you're different because they, but I wasn't part of their group. Yeah, I was. I was part of the stoner kid group. Yeah, I was like, and you're different because they were like, don't hang out with that kid. Yeah, like they're the troublemakers. 100%. But doing like being that and having fame and spearheading that and not being afraid to talk about it, I think does so much more than being like, I'm still fucking cool and different.

Yeah, but I'm glad you segued into music because I wanted to ask you about that, because I think that a lot of people in your position after acting for 10 years would definitely be afraid to kind of delve into such a new. It's fucking freaky. Psycho industry. Well, I mean, just trying to like transgress that, but also wanting to. It's like I see actors now just going straight to music. I don't want to go straight to music.

I want to act like I told my roommate who I work with music on all the time. And he I said, if I could work on set for 12 hours a day, then come home and work more on music, that's my dream. Like I want to, I love to keep working. I feel like you don't have to do one specific thing. Like you can do both. That's what I love about today's generation of fame is that you can kind of do whatever the fuck you want.

And it's not as frowned upon. I was actually looking at your stuff and I felt like it was very interesting because you kind of came up in the beginning of social media. Like when it was just like, you could be famous on Instagram maybe like you know like YouTube kind of like that type of stuff but it wasn't there wasn't a lot going on do you feel like what year did you start I'm sorry I mean like like eight eight to ten years ago yeah I got I had my I've had my Instagram since I since it first came out 2012 yeah like I was yeah do you

feel like these kids now have it easier because it's a different generation of fame or harder i wouldn't say easier i would say there's more accessibility which i think is amazing i think it's great i think tiktok has opened up so many great opportunities like what i was saying like that group creative coalition that i'm part of you know we advocate arts for you know people that don't have this in their everyday lives and saying that i mean 25 years ago you see these actors and these musicians like, oh shit, somebody in rural America would never think that they could be something like that, but that's their passion.

Now it's like, there is opportunity. It's, you know. I mean, like everybody is a broad term, but there is opportunity if you wanna put in that. And that's, you know, there's people that just sit on TikTok, make their music, they show stuff, and you see this like raw energy behind it. And I found that some of the coolest thing in this past year.

Yeah. And these TikTok kids like love you and look up to you so much. So you being like open to it and making TikToks with everyone and shit is cool because you could also be like, fuck that. I was an OG, you know? And it's like, I think it's like also like I love to like meet kids like an instrument being like, yo, like make sure you have your shit straight. Make sure have your fun. But it's a fine line to walk. One hundred percent. It's hard. sure you have your shit straight make sure have your fun but it's a fine line to walk 100 you know you got to make sure that being mercurial is that the word mercurial i don't know i'm not gonna try to say that word right over my head but you know just being like cookout ski but just kind

of like you know also know your roots no no make sure you stay safe make sure like you humble yourself out and ground yourself yeah that's the most important stuff about some of this industry and so in your music now like obviously i feel like you're translating out and ground yourself. That's the most important stuff about some of this industry. And so in your music now, like obviously I feel like you're translating that slowly into your music and the feelings that you feel. Do you plan on releasing like an EP? Do you plan on releasing crazy music, touring? I would love to tour.

Like I think when we were, Diablo and I were just in Chicago and him and Zach threw a set down. Yeah. And Chicago goes hard for music. Yeah. Like it's like, it's not like here people are just i think we know you come from a very music oriented place yeah they shut it the cops shut it down because it got too much there and just like being on stage and like seeing people

react that it's like oh fuck like this is i want to be like in a crowd with people and like talking about emotions i want to like yeah bring people together like that's just that feeling of that so i would love to tour but ethan ep coming soon i would love to I'm working on it that's so awesome you know but I don't want to be premature with it yeah that's the easiest thing I've noticed in this industry is like you know I don't want to make music just because people think that I can make yeah or like just to get streams like you actually want to put your emotions out there yeah and you know I've done this like super independently record this in my room not trying to go for like a record but that's cool because you could have that record deal you're choosing that you know but I mean like if that opportunity were to come,

I want to be ready for that. Yeah. Because I'm not ready for it right now. That's awesome. That's a really awesome thing to recognize. I like the acknowledgement of it. Because I'm the exact opposite. I'm like, how can I get a million streams being a psychopath?

But I mean, I appreciate that because I do like putting my feelings into shit as well. Chance the Rapper really put me on to the like Chicago, not like personally, but I mean like the way he discusses Chicago I feel like it's like Chicago's one of the like US like pinpoints for the music industry just for how much music goes on there how much people go for music like whether it's house music whether it's insane rock whether it's rap it's just everybody goes hard there for music well we can't wait for your Chicago show and your Chicago tour moment. Like Chicago. Speaking, so I mean, I guess I have a couple more questions for you.

I don't even know. I wrote down so much shit. But he's answering. I'm going to pee myself too. Should we take a pee break? I have to pee so bad. I love this game. Let's,

we're not going to group pee. We're going to take our turns. I used to group pee with my sisters. I have such a bad bladder. Me too. I like, I literally pee every eight seconds.

I love that Brooke. I'll pee like 12 times in an hour. I love that Brooke just casually said. I'm so glad pee every eight seconds. I love that brook. I'll be like 12 times in an hour I love that brook just casually said I'm so glad you said that just casually said she used to group pee with her sisters and then got up to pee I mean Diablo group pee. Of course you fucking do Not a pee for the boys, okay guys, we're gonna take a quick shameless pee break I used your toothbrush last night. Really? That's kind of big for Brooke. She actually actually is actually is huge for me, but it's like, oh, like Tana's toothbrush or no toothbrush

and I won't go no toothbrush. Are you, are you like a very hygienic person? I mean, yeah. Like I would, I hope. That's not a normal question to ask someone, Tana. I'm like not. I would say I'm pretty hygienic. Like I know I clean.

Okay. I keep myself. Like clean environment too. Yeah. I mean like, I guess like some people might like say like my place is not like frat type yeah

house but I mean like we got like four or five guys living with us you're so wholesome and normal really you have four

what I have four people living with me I got Diablo my friend Josh and then my other roommate Stu who's a chef

wait I always thought you lived alone with Diablo you have a chef roommate yeah that's amazing and cooks every meal yeah

oh that's fucking everything can we move in a chef that's literally insane baby let's start with moving in me okay you're probably right but after you a fucking chef or do you want to cook no no don't that's ridiculous um so now honestly i feel like a lot of people just ask a lot of random fun questions and i mean again like there's a lot of podcasts where we'll ask for fan questions but then i just will we'll get off talking but i feel like again your fan base is so amazing that they like as much as they hate me and try to kill me they also were tweeting me all day with a lot of questions yeah i saw i saw what you do that was like all these fucking questions yeah oh i posted on my instagram i've never gotten so many responses on anything yeah people really want to fucking know everything

that's going on in your life which i love i mean i guess one of the questions that a lot of people ask is have you ever hooked up with anyone on the shameless set my number one thing that I got I'm like why would you ask that but then I was like maybe I definitely like as I was younger we like I you have girlfriends on the show like you started a date a little bit but nothing like really crazy or anything I never like dated somebody seriously off the show yeah that's your favorite sibling they're all like no no like that's the thing like it's such a different vibe because like i'm they're literally like i got speaking on a child like the guy plays lip he's like my brother guy plays can't or ian he's like my brother um

it's probably cool as an only child yeah the woman who played veronica schnoll she's like a second mother to me so when we're all on set like i'm just fucking around with them hard like i'm pushing their buttons like slapping them, punching them. That's honestly great. But Emma and I, we're the closest because we're this age. We talk every single day. I FaceTime her all the time. We tell each other about each other's life and everything.

Sister vibes or is she endgame? Would you ever marry her? No, she's my sister. I just had to ask. She's my sister. I love her to death. A lot of people wanted to know your type as well. What do you look for in a girl?

He's, like, Jewish. It sounded like I was that. That's all he ever says. I don't, I mean, definitely, like, are we talking, like, physically or just, like, emotionally? In general, everything, yeah. Like, if I was, like, in a relationship with somebody, I have to, it has to be, like, a very, like, emotional communicative relationship. Like, I wanted, like, us to go out, have our our fun but then come back to each other at the end of the day and sit like how we're talking like i want that's like what i live for off conversations like in a

relationship yeah that's what i look for it's like a love language that i have yeah like it's like wanting to communicate talk about how you feel like if i'm with somebody i could look on your face and say oh i know something's wrong yeah like i need to fix this yeah that's good a good connection and you know immaturity is always the downfall I mean obviously that's a very good answer I feel like everyone

most people want that you know what I mean it's good anything special anything I'm really digging for the fans I'm bored at this point

I've been learning because like I've been in a I was in a relationship from like 16 to 18 then another one from like 19 to 20 are you a serial dater

yeah I don't know she's a serial dater? Yeah. She's a serial dater. I've only been in like two serious relationships, to be honest, but I definitely do like, I love a thing. Like I love like a nice like fling. Like if I get it,

I noticed like dating people teaches you things about yourself. It teaches you like what you want, you know, from being in my last relationship. Oh yeah, learning. But being in my last relationship, it taught me like, oh, this like, how you deserve to feel.

This is, like, you need to feel right to speak up on this, as the other person does, too. 100%. From 16 to 19, though, you were in one relationship. Was this public? Yeah, it was. She's actually my really close friend now. Her name's Brielle. Like, she's best friends with Emma.

So that's her friend group. But her and I were, like, I'm so close with her family. You had, like, an amicable breakup and stuff? Yeah, I mean, we were young. Like, you know, we were, you know, her family. You had like an amicable breakup and stuff. I mean, we were young. Like, you know, we're, you know, we're like both like bad. Like, you know, we were young. But like now she's like, she's one of my really good friends. We're still kicking it and stuff.

That's a special trait. That's like how you can tell something about a person is if they have exes that you still are like, okay with. Yeah. And like, I mean, like we went through like our falls and downs, but like we became like just super cool because we were best friends before. Like we were like straight. I would spend the night at our house all the time, like nothing like ever. Like now. No, no, no.

This is like back when I was like 14, 15. Like we were friends. Like how long were you guys like really close friends before you guys? A year and a half to almost. Those are the best relationships when you can kind of start off as friends. Yeah. Yeah. You're like Hunter.

Do you hear that? Hunter. I'm just joking. Physically, do you have a type at all or do you feel like you very much hear that hunter like hello um physically do you have a type at all or do you feel like you very much because i'm like a personality type you can look like fucking anything but if i if i fuck with you i fuck with you yeah it's usually like if i fuck with you i fuck with you yeah i mean like i tend to like you're like toxic toxic cute or not get at me but i don't know like i'm like I used to be a blonde but thank god thank god yeah no really kind of just like

I don't know like you know just kind of like finding people that I fuck with you know that's good I think that's a good thing I mean a lot of guys have like a specific type I think that's so interesting to limit yourself to a specific type yeah I've never understood people who have like a real true like cut and clear physical type no I don't have like a clear cut physical type yeah I think it's

I think that that just limits you to so much, like, you know what I mean, exploration and, like, love and stuff like that. So I definitely think that's the way to go. What was your favorite scene to film in Shameless? I can't speak. There's so many. It depends.

Like, there's been scenes, like, where you're, like, I mean, even scenes when I was younger where you're doing, like, crazy shit, like, blowing up a meth lab with the woman who did one flew over the cuckoo's nose. So good. I, boy, I just started.

I'm like seven episodes in. I'm like, it's my favorite show. I really just met you organically though. And I got, you know, when we, when we met you,

we had Savannah with us and Savannah was like, no, you don't want it. Cause she's watched the show and she's been trying to get me to watch it forever. Cause she's like, you don't know. That was all the first night that we met at your place

yes and she told me she's like Brooke you have to watch Shameless because I tell stories about my upbringing and stuff and I literally lived Shameless and she's like

you would love it you'd relate to it so much but she was like no you don't understand like Carl's coming over that's so exciting me and Tana were like like Carl

whatever and now I'm obsessed with the show now I'm like Carl I show. Now I'm like, I'm a fan. We love that. But so blowing up a meth lab. But favorite scenes,

honestly, is emotional scenes. Really? Love emotional scenes. Describe some. Like what are some you can really think about? One,

I mean, from this movie that I just did called Going Places. Oh, come on. This was a very emotional one that like,

I feel like Shameless trained me for stuff like that where you have, I mean, even seeing people like Emmy Ross and where you're growing up and watching her cry on set and the seriousness that you need to bring. You probably feel that. And it's like, you know, how everybody groups together and saying, allowing that actor to give them their moment

and their space to feel like that. Because how hard is it to feel that vulnerable in front of a crew of a hundred people? 100%, I could never. And you, it's, you got to bring yourself to a certain spot so I found that when I was younger I remember saying like oh I want to do the scenes and roles that Jeremy and Cameron are playing Lip and Ian my brothers on the show because I love seriousness but I also think that like but your character was like more reckless too so you had a lot of a lot

of both so it's like as the later seasons went on I told the writers and showrunner like I want to be able to play this stuff and I want to be able to get there. That's cool to have your input and have it taken seriously. I saw that over time you you've now taken on some like production roles as well. Yeah, they were. I got to they allowed me to come shadow as a director or shadow shadowing the directors as when I was 18. So I got to, you know, you sit in the tone meetings from like 6 a.m. to 8 a.m. where you read the whole script. You watch the showrunner say these are the props that we need. This is the art set.

This is how you run a set. Because I would love to do that. Do you like that as much as acting? Both. It's different because I just worked on a music video with the guy who directed this last movie. We directed it together. And being able to perform, then go and setting up shots was the most energized feeling that I had. Because I love how you can set up a camera

to make someone feel a certain way. You know, how does the depth of a shot is going to translate emotion? 100%. Do you see yourself having some big directing roles over time or doing some stuff like that? I would love to. Definitely as an actor, I would love to set myself there and being able to.

Because I love the energy energy how sets are run and you yeah you know you hear stories about toxic sets and toxic work environments and you don't want that for people that was like the biggest thing is i remember spending time stride i just hung out with the crew the crew is my best friend never a toxic set no that's honestly so cool i mean i'm sure some people may have like there have been days like we're stressful but overall everybody would always say like this is like you're gonna come on to sets later on life. You're not going to have this. Like this is a family.

This is like what we have here is fucking crazy. That's an awesome thing to take in. And for so many years. For 10 years. Right. To like really take that in, I think is the most insane thing. Because as you know, I have such an affinity for Disney stars. So I mean, with all the Disney stars in my life, I feel like I've heard with you, we've

been there like where we've just heard like the crazy horror stories. And not even just Disney, but I mean, like a lot of child stars were not as blessed to be on a set. And I think what was really good is our showrunner. He really he had kids our own age. I would go to his house, hang out with his kid and made sure he's like, you know, if you're not doing well in school, like you do realize like you could be written off. Yeah. Like you do realize like that, like if you're acting out and you're not like upholding yourself to what your parents want to be is because you you need to be an adult you need

to handle professional like yeah and this was instilled at a very young age you know I remember from the first day we had a read-through they go we don't do sides on our set you come here knowing your lines you don't you don't have sides here like that is so that literally everything he's saying is just like me in my head like why i could never act you're great at acting like you know like you like you know you like that environment but it's so not me like i'm so forgetful i'm so bad at playing someone else no i feel like you you say that about yourself and it's not true like you like i've seen so many instances first of all you're a phenomenal liar yeah it's more real life acting your favorite thing to say is that she's a she would she's

she always told me that like in the beginning of like when we first met because that was what i came out here for was acting and i told her i was like yeah i'm an actor she's like i could never and knowing you now the way that i do you could be a great actor you just choose you choose not to be i just act as the many faces of tana. You never know which one you're going to fucking get. I know. I'm like, girl, I've got nine Tanas on my Rolodex now. Am I the movie split? Should I stop that?

Yes. Do you have a favorite Shameless episode of all time? Do you watch it? Yeah, I did. Well, not like as much as I did when I was younger. I watched all this last season just to kind of like as like you're- Reminiscing. When I was old, when I got older, I kind of had this more of like love and seriousness for like shameless. I was like,

oh, this is something I want to keep doing. When you're in high school, I was like, oh, this is a job. Like, I want to keep it like that. Like, I take my job seriously, but like, it's not part of like my identification yet. And after this, like I would go back and like criticize like my acting in this. I'd be like, okay, maybe I could try this differently. Maybe this is what I want to do. I can't watch anything I do. Like once I do it, like I've actually never seen an episode of this podcast. But I never felt like I was looking at myself.

That was the thing. I never felt like I was ever looking at Ethan. That's such a crazy out of body thought. I guess that's cool. I wouldn't say there's like a favorite episode. Just like I have like these like favorite moments. Like I was talking to this with Chanel Hampton the other day who played Veronica on the show. We're just saying that it's like,

it's like this ball of experiences you can just look back on and just be like, wow, like look at all this context we had from, they knew me through my first heartbreaks, my first like, you know, crying. You probably think about like all the life things you can relate to. Yeah, I was gonna say like,

do you feel like you learned like life lessons from being on the show? A lot of the questions I got when I like posted it was that like people wanted to know if like like portraying poverty like taught you anything about like actual life. Yeah you know you go in especially going out like being witness to like you know we were filming Southside when I was nine years old I'm from you know a small suburban town you know middle income family but it you know seeing kind of like getting to just portray these storylines and getting to understand that, you know, what we're doing is not glamorous. Like, you know, even, even our work situations, like, yes, like we have

privileges on set, but we're not trying, like the whole point of like acting in the show is wasn't like trying to live like a lifestyle. We're just trying to tell stories that are true to people. 100%. A lot about, I feel like it's very cool that shameless portrayed a lot of issues that happen in the real world like every single day like you there's obviously a lot of things too that they wrote for you i obviously don't know how much you were a part of that but i mean that were controversial because you were portraying things that happen in the real world but obviously you as uh someone they could say you know obviously you have white privilege and you know this this actor and this you know whatever like they could say that a lot of that like was controversial but you were portraying a lot of things that really were

happening in the real world and you having to spearhead that within itself is i i mean you're very easygoing so i don't think you like think about that you know but i mean like like how crazy that is to take on the role of like i I'm going to do this controversial ass shit to show millions of people that this shit's happening in the real world, regardless of how it's going to affect me. And I think that's also like where like wanting to pursue art and just entertainment has made me want to set like, I want to be able to talk about subjects that people don't talk about. Like, you know, you don't talk about body image. You don't talk about mental health, you know, you don't talk about body image. You don't talk about mental health. You don't even, even drug abuse for fuck's sakes. Like, you know, I'm sure we all know somebody that has

or family members that have. So it's important to say like, where does this stuff lie? That's like, you know, this is, these are subjects that need to be talked about so you can bring people together and help heal. I bet growing up on Shameless, like in a way, inadvertently gave you that mindset because we're all product of the way we're raised. And you were literally raised on the set of a show that was based in such controversial real life issues, which probably embedded why you're so accepting and open into you.

And also meeting people in the crew over the years. Everybody comes from so many different backgrounds and experiences I remember when I was younger my parents my people from my hometown whether it be teachers or in people adults in there but they'd be like you're gonna fuck your child up bring him in the industry's gonna be exposed to drugs all this crazy shit no yeah I get home going to public school you're exposed to way more it was like safe on set it was because people are looking out for you adults are giving you advice or saying yo this is what you need to do and look at the shit that I dealt with right and the people who were most sheltered I feel like I see that a lot with people who like had no exposure to it growing up

or almost more like fucked up in the long run because it's like because then they want to try it all yeah they're so like fascinated by it when it's finally like i mean that's why our drinking age here like you know people that start drinking at 21 they black out every night people that are in europe they start drinking with their families when they're 14 they're taught how to drink responsibly here in america we are not that's why you see all these college kids blacking out every day like oh i only drink to blackout that's not how you should drink yeah you drink with moderation like really really i go okay maybe maybe not when we go i'm just kidding i'm just kidding you know you don't ever like embarrass yourself blacked out

you're just fun because you're down to get laid i've never black i've only blacked out once really i was 14 years old and where was i know that i was i was around i was around i was around adults like this is like they taught like how to drink like we were it was like family friends in a household but at that time it taught me going oh this is like not not how i want to feel being 16 and you're out and you see 45 year old adults that are acting crazy like that's not how i want to be right yeah so it's like you know i like to have my fun, but I'm going to, I'm going to cap myself at a certain point. Yeah.

That's very true. My point just like changes. So it's like, you know, I, guys, I can't be the best. I don't think I've actually, one thing I love about our friendship is he's never seen me like black the fuck out. We also say like blacked out a lot and we don't mean blacked out. No. It's like really drunk.

It just means demon. I could probably count on on one hand the amount of times that i've actually like forgotten yeah i would give myself like four hands but i mean still definitely but i mean like brooke and i have alcohol babe yeah that's true um but we've had a lot of moments where i've been like actually like psychotically blacked out but i've somehow sheltered that side of me for me that's all right i I don't judge. I take care of people. So when it comes to your parents kind of sheltering you and teaching you stuff, when you grew up, were you allowed to watch Shameless? Or was there a day where they were like, okay, now you can watch it?

I watched it when I was younger, but they would like, you know, when I was like 10, my dad's like, you're going to close your eyes. They're in the sex scenes and stuff like that. But I mean, we were in read-throughs at age nine. We heard them all saying that, you know, they're talking about, like, a shit that goes way over your head. You're hearing them talk about dildos, like, fucking, like, sex shit. And you're just like, I don't know what that is. And then, like, you realize at this age, you're like, oh, like,

that's all this crazy shit that I heard. But you also had people around you to, like, say and ask questions to that would give you, like, real-life answers. Go, like, yeah, like, maybe that's not the right place to talk about it. So it's like you really learned your P's and Q's from like a young age. Yeah. Being around like adult settings. Yeah, I guess what I'm gathering from you is it's not that it fucked you up because it was a good environment, which I think is really cool because like I was saying again, so many people were.

But it's more it definitely helped you to grow up maybe faster. It definitely was growing up faster. And I think that's like, you know, there's things said, but it's like you have to take hold of that maturity and say, OK, I want this to affect me in the right way. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't necessarily think that that's a bad thing. I think you and I both grew up really fast, too, for a different reason.

Very different. We were shameless again. But it's like like I I wouldn't change anything like I love that about myself because I feel like it affects how I live now. Yeah, that's true. One hundred percent. Like it's it's things are less shocking and affects how I live now. Yeah, that's true. 100%. Like it's it's things are less shocking and you can handle things better. Yeah. And I see people all the time.

Like I have friends who like experience certain things and I'm like, yeah, like, I don't know. It's like such a big deal to them where I don't feel like it's a big deal. Yeah. No, 100%. By 18, I was like, nothing was a big deal. Nothing could faze me. I mean, I guess there there's definitely points where I will be jealous of people who had a completely normal childhood and they grew up slowly. But like you said, that creates so much of like, I'll meet people at such a normal childhood, but then by 18, they have no sense of the real world.

They're blacking out every second. They're trying everything now. And it's not always as great as it can seem. But I mean, I've definitely had my moments where I'm jealous of people with a normal childhood. Do you ever feel like that was something that you felt? Or do you- I think my moments are feeling like, damn,

like it's hard to connect with other people around my age cause we didn't have the same upbringing. I've had like a lot of people tell me like, oh, look at like what you've been handed, look what you've been, it's like, it wasn't handed. Like this is going to school and filming was probably one of the hardest things. And I don't-

I can't imagine fully graduating. Yeah, it'd be cool, nobody views that as like adversity. I feel like everyone looks at it as like privilege. Like you're so lucky that you got to go through that. Because on set you have to do, so it's mandatory, you have to do three hours of school a day. And this is from the industry.

You can take a test called the Chesapeake. I'm not saying it wrong, but it makes you an illegal adult at 14 years old so you can work 12 hours. It's not emancipation, but you can work as a legal adult on set. Okay. So what they'll tell parents and like child actors like this makes you more open to acting like that it doesn't it makes you

more available it makes yeah it make it makes when you're already on some make sets saying oh we can work them longer without having to do this when yeah you should buy child labor you pass this test that literally is like how you bypass child labor which is crazy i think that going to school is probably the hardest thing and like trying to manage like a regular life and like having. I'm so glad I had my core friends around me. I was growing up. My friend I've known since kindergarten is still my brother. And like having kept my core friends around me and like, all right, we're just going to do our hood rat shit. We're going to go smoke weed in the forest.

No, that's the only reason I'm like alive. Yeah. Like I completely. Yeah. You have like Amari. No, it's the only reason. Huh? Like you too i completely yeah you have like amari no it's the only reason though huh like you too yeah but well but not i'm not an og like he's saying like people who he grew up with but it's like i i you know those people are the ones that kept me ground they kept me feeling safe and normal yeah and i praise that 100 no then that's

it that's that is a cool privilege to have because so many people went through similar things to you but then it was like so much worse because they didn't have people around them and my friends they saw me going through it all at the same time so they would they would understand yeah and like have your back and that's my love language is understanding like i feel like in this world having people actually understand like like you just said everyone looks at everything you do as a privilege i think that comes with fame you like sign off the you sign off the victim card you can never be like yeah you're not allowed you're not allowed to complain anymore because everyone looks at what you do as like yeah i said a privilege like it's you're so lucky to have all of this and it's like of course but like it doesn't take away

from like the bad but also people at this age we're all the same we all fucking struggle mentally we're all still struggling trying to figure out who we are and i think that's like the biggest things that people like get away from this like like what people and, you know, the rest of the world look at people in the industry and like say like, oh, well, look at them. They already found themselves like, no, these people haven't found themselves. No one has. They're just trying. And everybody's just trying. This is just more public and they're just trying shit like this.

Half the time people that are posting about their music that's like raw, it's this. This is vulnerable emotions. They'll read the comments and cry about it. One hundred talking you're literally like this they're putting everything on the page brooke reads every comment so that that one really resonated with her she loves she loves if you're commenting on this podcast just know brooke i read it immediately immediately but one thing that i think is respectable about you is that you're honest about that because a lot of what people do online is so highlight reel based you know my life is so perfect my life is so great i'm so famous so it's almost like they add to that stigma you know they're like my life is so perfect look so to like

break that fourth wall is a good thing and why we wanted you on today yeah and it's like i never really was interested about like oh i want to post lifestyle shit like this is like i just like want to like you know meet people and then shit that are fun cool create like live your life i mean like acting for me is like i just want to work with dope people and create dope shit and continue to be a semi-normal person go the fuck off even honestly you're like the most normal person i know on it he really it's kind of strange right like is he not it's a like i i like this episode because i was just thinking to myself this is by far no questions asked the most wholesome in-depth episode i feel like we've ever this is like my

favorite episode we've ever i didn't like expect i literally came in i was like what the fuck are we gonna talk about no but it actually like i was just saying you're a good conversationalist and it was dope to kind of delve into a lot of the things that you've been through it's like you can have like a normal because like you know we're both still going out like i like to have my fun i just like you know that's not like what i curated myself around but like i think people can't relate people don't really realize that it's like because like oh shit like i'm still gonna go out we're gonna go mob we're gonna go out to like a party or club have our fun what do you call it demon time demon that's all we ever say we're always on demon time it fits your your clothing brand really well though because that's what all that is is demon shit devils on all your

shit that's that was like the first thing i was like oh he's designing some really raunchy shit i want it yeah and i was like he's like he's like normal like we could get along i mean hopefully after this podcast we'll stop receiving some death threats but i have some death threats but honestly but honestly i doubt it i'm here for it i think it's cool i went into today knowing that it would be a little controversial having ethan on but i think that you are you're my favorite guest so far. I mean, yeah, we had, we had a very, it's funny cause we just had an episode with a guest. I'm sure everyone can guess who that was definitely very centered around toxic masculinity. So to have someone on kind

of destigmatizing that is a great thing. So thank you for coming in today, Ethan. Thank you for having me. I've had a great time here. Well, thank you for being here. We're literally fully going to like natural. We're literally fully going to go out tonight and be on Demon Time. Oh, no. We're at Demon Time now. He lives 45 minutes away. We already started drinking. Right now, 5 is wholesome time.

No, 100. And I know for a fact, Brooke and I are about to shoot another podcast just talking about life. He's going to be out there with Diablo blacking out, and then we're all going to, not literally blacking out. We just discussed that. It's a term of endearment. Yes.

Right, right, right. It's a metaphor. So, a jump cut to us later on TikTok where everyone's confused as to why we're friends but we love you Ethan and we love Shameless

and we're excited to see everything that's happening in your future and to help you express yourself in any way I don't know what thank you so much

I appreciate you guys having me on here Ethan CP coming soon yeah anything you want to promote or do we I think we already promoted it yeah you really

we got like a nice like little train of stuff you did that I was excited I'm happy with this you did that very organically we love you Ethan we're staying shameless

hopefully the death threats will stop we know they won't and we'll be on Demon Time later tonight so stay tuned for that love y'all thank you Bessie

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