Candace - BREAKING NEWS! More Unseen Footage And The Tyler Robinson Decision Live! | Ep 381

Episode Date: September 1, 2026

The final day of the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing is today and we have additional footage from 9/10 that leaves us asking more questions about TPUSA. 00:00 - Start. 02:04 - Preliminary hearing attendees. 04:32 - Another questionable character on 9/10 and exclusive footage. 31:22 - Thoughts on preliminary hearing today. 41:33 - Comments and final thoughts. PreBorn​​! ​ To donate, dial #250 and say they keyword “BABY" or by visiting https://preborn.com/candace PureTalk​ ​ Make the switch to PureTalk and get Unlimited Data for $34.99 a month! http://www.PureTalk.com/Owens Cozy Earth​ ​ Head to http://www.cozyearth.com and use my code CANDACE for an exclusive 20% off home & sleepwear. Paleovalley​ ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ Get 20% off your order with promo code CANDACE at http://www.paleovalley.com American Financing​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ NMLS 182334, http://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-795-1210 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www.AmericanFinancing.net/Owens. Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99. ​ Candace Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@ClipsCandaceOwens Candace Official Website: https://candaceowens.com Candace Merch: https://shop.candaceowens.com Candace on Apple Podcasts: https://t.co/Pp5VZiLXbq Candace on Spotify: https://t.co/16pMuADXuT Candace on Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/RealCandaceO Candace en Español: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnEspanol Candace Owens em Português: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensemPortugues Candace Owens en Français: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnFrançais Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, you guys, happy Tuesday and an especially happy Tuesday to the mathematician who actually emailed me and answered the question I asked yesterday. I said, what are the literal odds that I would run into Justin Baldoni in Iceland? And I received this email. He said, he wrote this, I am a mathematician, scientist, and therefore a heath an atheist. It's an approximate the probability about one in 80 million chance that you met Justin Baldoni and his wife. You are welcome. P.S. it's good to see your videos again. They are a part of my morning routine before I start work. Kind regards. Absolutely love that. Just incredible. We really do have the best fans and the people who watch this show. But today we have to more formally address the elephant in the room. I left you guys with an elephant in the room. I know you all went to bed wondering about the quiet part that I set out loud yesterday. Just why does Data Republican, aka Genica Pounde, aka the Department of War's fake analyst, who attacked me for looking into this case? Just why does she look so much like Tyler Robinson? Check this out.

Uncanny. Uncanny. What are they doing out in Utah? I have no positive evidence that it wasn't Genica Pounds that was walking up that staircase at UVU. I'm over here looking at the Department of War like I'm Sophie Cunningham, you know, doing the point. We don't know, no, but we know. Where were you, Ms. Pounds? Anyway, today we return to the scene of the crime, as I promised you.

All the shady characters surrounding Charlie Kirk on September 10th and one person in particular who we almost forgot about that drummed up a lot of early online conspiracy theories. So let's get started. Welcome back to Candace. Where is your positive evidence, people? Okay, we have actually a lot to unpack today. foremost, obviously, we are monitoring the expected big news out of Utah today, the judge's

decision on whether or not there is enough evidence to allow Tyler Robinson's case to proceed to trial. Now, we have been watching the arguments for and against the dismissal, and we're going to break that down for you after the break. In the meantime, we can tell you guys, at the very least, who showed up to the courtroom. Slightly different cast of characters, I might add, than we saw throughout the preliminary hearing. Remarkably, notably, the Turning Point USA influencers did not show up. So sad. No Graham Allen, no Benny Johnson to tell us how overwhelmed we should be. Maybe they're still processing their

emotions. I think that decision was probably made because it backfired tremendously with the public because the public is not as stupid as Turning Point USA would like to believe. Elsewhere, of course, Erica Kirk is present. but she was not captured walking into the courthouse. Charlie Kirk's parents were captured. They were present arriving to the hearing or the decision. So were Erica Kirk's de facto parents, Stacey Sheridan, Tracy Martin. We're just going to count them as her parents, I think,

because she's never surrounded by her actual family. Mama Stacy is always there. Head of Turning Point USA donations and gifts, always there. Tracy Martin, I'm counting that as dad. She does Erica's PR dirty work. always willing to sit down and tell a story. Cameras also captured Andrew Colvette walking in looking 10 years older. Lies will aid you, my friend, they will age you.

And notably, you may not have recognized who this was. This is Pastor James Cadiz. He's the senior pastor of Calvary Chapel in Signal Hill, California. He is also one of Erica Kirk's many problematic. TPSA faith pastors. He also hosts a show with her with that like fledgling, you know, fashion brand that she has, Bible in 365. He's on the never-ending roster of radically pro-Israel pastors who do not exactly live the life that they preach from the stage. She also happens to be morbidly obese. That's why you are seeing him using a scooter to get around. And speaking of

Calvary Chapel pastors, that's where I'd like to begin today. Calvary Chapel, I've discussed this a lot. throughout this series. Allow me to jog your memory regarding another character who was present on September 10th at UVU. You remember Charlie arrived with an interesting crew in tow, interesting only in the manner that they all reacted to his assassination. Mikey McCoy calmly walks away. He does not dial 911, but instead phones his wife,

followed by Erica and his father, Pastor Rob McCoy, of Calvary Chapel Church in Thousand Oaks. long-time pastor. And that's also in California. Now, during that phone call, we are told that he requested his father to pray. Rob McCoy told that story. It turns out, though, that Rob McCoy, his father,

is not the only pastor that he phoned on that day asking for a prayer. You see, Mikey McCoy, when he arrived at UVU with Charlie, also met up with a man named Butch Hibbs. They walked Charlie in together. Take a look at Butch here. He is in the plaid shirt. They're with security.

There's been a lot of online chatter about him and his presence at the event altogether. A lot of conspiracies that were drummed up regarding whether or not he was, in fact, undercover. Particularly whether or not, as some people speculated, he may have been carrying a road microphone in his top pocket. We can sort of zoom in here. Many people were convinced that that got switched. There were a lot of people looking into where he lives. in Heber City, a flight that was potentially taken to Tennessee. Now, we never engaged in the proliferation of those conspiracies.

Rather, we want to just focus on the facts here and deliver to you some more facts regarding Butch Hibbs, born Burton Hibbs Jr. He is from a military family. His brother is Pastor Jack Hibbs, another senior pastor at Calvary Chapel Church. His church is based in Chino Hills, California. Now, I think you guys already know that I have a rather strong opinion regarding these Calvary Chapel churches and their extraordinary dedication to Israel. So I'm not going to belabor any points here. I will add that the first that I heard of Pastor Jack Hibbs, it was via Marissa Strait.

The Mossad agent turned CEO of Prager U. She was in Unit 8200. She's never hidden that fact, so we're not exactly revealing or bringing any news there. But I used to work for Prager You, and she had suggested to me that I have him on my podcast. I don't believe it ever happened. But you can take from that what you will. It is a fact that that is how I learned about Jack Hibbs from Marissa. It is also a fact that the same family who funds the construction of some of those Calvary Chapel churches,

like Rob McCoy's Church in Thousand Oaks, are the billionaire Wilkes brothers. They are not in any way evangelical Christians. So it's kind of weird that you would fund a church that you yourself wouldn't go to. But they are radically pro-Israel. They also fund prayer you. They were also behind the initial big funding of the Daily Wire. They fly Israeli flags along their property lines in Texas, I am told. They also fund the radically pro-Israel politicians like Ted Korn.

Cruz. Again, these are all just facts. So their main issue is Israel. That's what they're dedicated to. Now, back to Pastor Jack Hibbs, because that's what's relevant. It is curious that like Victor Marks, another one of shady, maybe not even a pastor character that is around Erica, a pastor Jack Hibbs was among the very first to announce that Charlie had passed away. He did that on Facebook. And people wondered, how did he know so quickly before the rest of the world that Charlie had died? And Jack Hibbs was kind enough to inform his Facebook followers of exactly how that was. Take a listen. So I first found out that he had passed shortly after Charlie was shot from his really new service, how they knew, but they knew. I don't know how they knew

either, Jack. I never know how it seems to be that Israel is just everywhere. Their tentacles are just everywhere. He doesn't know how they knew, but they knew and they got this information to him. Anyway, the story goes regarding how his brother got there, the story goes that the night before Charlie was assassinated, Pastor Jack Hibbs boned him up and asked Charlie if his 74-year-old brother Butch could attend this obscure UVU college campus event. Okay, listen to Jack explain how that all came together to his dear friend, the Yankan and Bankin Frankin Turrick. Take a listen.

And Charlie took pictures with all the TPSA kids that were lined up. And then your brother was there. And he goes, I'm Jack Gibbs' brother. That's why they security. How did it throw them out? That's right. You call him a mountain man. What's his name again? Butch. I mean, Butch is his nickname. Butch, yeah, but that's not as real. What's his real name? Burton. Burton. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so he introduced himself and the last picture,

formal picture that probably Charlie took was with him and me. Here's the backstory to that. So my brothers lived in Utah for years. we have to make sure that this doesn't get out, but he looks like a mountain man and he's all over the terrain. I'm going to give you the picture. You can put it in the... Yeah, he's... You know, some people would say that he is a covert military operative for the CIA and in conjunction with the Musad. He loves the mountains. So he had months to reach out to me to say, hey, can you get me?

a chance to meet Charlie and to get a decent seat. But no, he calls me the night before. Oh, yeah. And he says, hey, can you? And I say, well, I mean, I'll give Charlie a call, but it's kind of late, you know, and all that stuff. And I'm thinking. So I honestly reached out to Charlie.

He said, Charlie, listen, my brother lives nearby. He wants to come see you. I know that's a, this is, you got too much going on right now. But I was faithful to give you his. request. God bless you tomorrow. And so the next thing I know, that's how I found out is that he sent me that picture. And my first thought was this, wow, I got to thank Charlie for going above and beyond. I don't know, guys. Some would say I like the mountains. People would say I'm CIA Mossad, but he just likes the mountains or something.

That's how you generally describe people who like the mountains, right? CIA Mossad, but they really just like the mountains. Okay. And so he contacted suddenly the night before, he says, he receives this call and butch the not CIA or Mossad agent, just the guy who likes the mountains, was like, hey, I want to go to the show the Kirk event. And that's an interesting time frame only because there was a lot happening the night before, right?

Charlie's texting donors that he has no choice but to abandon of all things the pro-Israel cause. And Charlie's not sleeping. Erica says it's because he was just so excited, which it would be the first time. I got to tell you, travels all around with this guy. Never that excited. Did UVU with him to do a college event at UVU? But this is, I guess, a brand new Charlie. Now he's texting people saying that he thinks.

he's going to be killed, that they're going to kill him. He's taking phone calls from rabbis that are based in Israel. To be clear, their story is they, he needed to learn how to debate. He'd never done it before. So he was asking for debate tips from people like Josh Hammer and rabbis that are based in Israel. And in addition to this, we learned that suddenly But Chibbs is overcome, this mountain man is overcome by a need to attend the UVU event. And Butch Hibbs, by the way, is very much involved in the Calvary Chapel, Utah.

Okay. Okay, Jack Hibbs, your terms are acceptable. We're just here to report on what you are saying. Let's proceed. Now, we know what happens next, obviously. While Butch is there on this last-minute whim, Charlie gets hit with an explosive. And Pastor Jack Hibbs receives a phone call from his brother. Here's what he told Todd Starns of Foxx.

news. This is on audio only. So take a listen. My brother wants a ticket. He said, hey, here's my number. We'll set that up. And my brother actually got a front row seat. Charlie gave him a front row seat. And so

the next thing I know, my brother's calling me, and I can hear people screaming and yelling, and I can hear my brother telling me Charlie's just been shot. Charlie's just been shot. Okay. Now, it remains somewhat unclear to me, whether Jack spoke to his brother, Butch, before or after, he has a FaceTime session with Frank Turrick

from the hospital. Yes, Frank Turich manages to FaceTime Jack from Tipanogus. Now, it's best you hear Jack explain it because it's a little confusing. You're going to see he develops a little bit of amnesia. They all do from that day. It's hard to remember. But I want you to pay special attention to Frank Turich's posture because it just reminds me of like when my mom, mom gave me a look at a restaurant, and I knew I was going to get popped when I got home because I made a mistake. I wasn't acting right. And he tries so hard to put the genie back in the bottle, and then he just like claims them. The whole exchange here is something to behold. Take a listen. I'm trying to remember the sequence of things. I either got the first call from

you or from Mikey. It was one or the other. It was very, very close. I do believe you were the first one. That was after we got to the hospital. Okay, then I got the first call from Micah. I was in the emergency room after we got Charlie there. I called you. I remember what you were saying. Yeah.

Okay, so Mikey called and he said, he said, Jack, get everyone in the world praying. There's so much blood. There's so much. And he was beside himself, as you can imagine. Man, in that moment, when I got that, I didn't believe it. Then I FaceTime you. I faced, we were talking.

You saw I had blood on me. You? So my brother, my brother calls, and he can't talk. He said, Charlie's been shot. Now, listen, I have, I have a relative whose name's Charlie. and he's very involved in politics, and he's all over the United States. And I thought it was cousin Charlie got shot.

And I actually said, what do you do now? What did he do now? And he said, Charlie Kirk got shot. And I said, what? And he just broke down. I actually hung up on him. And I started making calls.

Your call came in, which was a FaceTime call. And, yeah, you had blood on you. Yeah, that's still, I haven't followed. I haven't just thought, I don't even know if I've meditated on all of that. But, and then, of course, I went, because it was online everywhere, I saw the whole thing. But you right away got a prayer. chain going, and then that happened at about 1230 Utah time.

Go meditate, Jack, because you're in trouble. Go to your room and meditate because you, it was a good effort there to try. I don't know the sequence of events. I don't. My cousin Charlie's in the military, if anything, just blame me on your cousin Charlie. That's a good one. Then he says his brother broke down. He doesn't remember.

Was it Mike? Ah, the sequence is hard. to remember. Sequence is hard to remember when Frank Turk is looking like he wants to jump across a desk and choke you out. I agree. What we got from that from Frank, Frank. I would not mess with that man right there. It's a, uh, the only fact I think we got out of that was, suddenly he was like, you,

Mikey called you first. He was like, oh yeah, Mikey called me first. And he said the prayer chain they got going was about at 1230. So they got this FaceTime prayer chain going about 1230. That's fast because Charlie was shot just seven minutes before then. That's a lot to happen in seven minutes to be on a FaceTime prayer chain, right? That is just amazing to me that Frank Turek was fine to start a FaceTime call from the emergency room amidst all of that chaos. While Charlie was dying, Brian Harpull is jumping on top of him, presumably.

I mean, they must have just arrived at the hospital seven minutes later. He says, you know, he says about 1230, but he's a military man. He's making probably accurate time estimates there for a military man, Frank Turek. It just seems to me to be like an extraordinarily inappropriate thing to do, starting a face-time call with Jack Hibbs. But what do I know? That's just my opinion, not a fact. A fact would be that it seems implausible that Mikey called Pastor Jack

before 1230, before he then was face-timed by Frank. That maybe explains some of the mildest comfort in his face because remember, we had Mikey's call logs. He was in the phone from 1224 all the way through to 1244 with Elizabeth McCoy, with Erica, with his father, and then with Danny Phillip for 10 minutes. I mean, the only way it could be true

that Mikey called him before 1230, is this maybe there was a Calvary Chapel conference call. Perhaps that might fit with when he called Rob McCoy. Anyway, I digress because, you know, my opinion doesn't really matter, but it happens to be that every single person that arrived with Charlie, in my opinion, behaved in ways that simply unnerved me, given the circumstances. Terrell, prematurely announcing Charlie's death to himself. to record himself rather than to call 911.

Selfie vid. And even after he was finished with that bizarre selfie vid, he then jumps down from the grassy knoll, not crying, he's chill, starts removing SD cards and seemingly plausibly toying around with the footage, sticking the SD card into his computer, looking around, looking shady, and getting to work.

Mikey, as we mentioned earlier, immediately walked away, phone to his wife first. Blake, Blakey called his mom. He did not thereafter call 911. Danny Phillip, to our knowledge, did not call 911. Neither did Nate Walker. Those are both of Charlie's assistants. Nobody called 911 to our knowledge.

They all shared their stories and left that out if they did. And then we learned that someone in the hospital-bound SUV was providing updates to Ben Shapiro's security team while Charlie Kirk was dying in the back seat. a person who Charlie Kirk could not stand was receiving status updates regarding his health as he lay dying, doesn't register to me as above board. And what exactly did Butch Hibbs do? Because that's what I really want to arrive at. What do you think he did, right? So Butch is there on a whim. He walks in with Charlie. he's standing just to the right of Charlie and the tent

when the explosive goes off. He's standing next to Danny Phillip, Charlie's assistant, who's wearing a very heavy backpack. I wonder what's in it. Maybe we'll get to that. What do you think that Batman, 74 years old, did? What would be appropriate to you in your mind?

I'll give you guys one guess. I'm going to again mention his age, he's 74 years old. What would you expect a senior citizen who loves the mountains, not the Mossad in the CIA, he loves the mountains. What would you expect him

to do amidst that chaos? Two options. Fight or flight, right? Wrong. This is the shady bunch, remember? I'm going to tell you what Butch did. Butch pulled the old Terrell Farnsworth move.

He just starts recording. I mean, if I didn't know any better, I would think that they were all told to gather footage from different angles and different points. Like, you go up here, you go here, you go here. But of course, that's pure speculation based on what we've gathered thus far. Anyway, here's Butch Hibbs. You are going to watch him. We show you in this never before seen clip, briefly dipped down to presumably open his camera app,

and then he's just going to record different angles of the mayhem. take a look. You can see we are circling for you, Butch Hibbs. That's what he did. Instantly got down and began recording. And yes, this is seconds after Charlie was hit. He is recording. He does not stop recording. I mean, look, maybe he's on FaceTime. I'll throw that in there too. Maybe he's FaceTiming. Certainly, I think we could conclude not on a phone call with his brother. not running for his life, not running toward the action to help Charlie Kirk,

just calmly looking around and recording as people who just love the mountains do. And he's still recording. Let me know when you get uncomfortable. Oh, still recording. And he is just recording. I'm sorry, guys, he's still recording. I wish I could.

He's still recording. He's going to just. keep doing that there. Calmly recording. My arm would be tired by now. That's a selfie arm like you've never seen. This guy must be doing push-ups. And there he goes.

Still record. Oh, wow. Okay. We could stop there, but he still records. Look, I'm entering that without further comment, Your Honor. Without further comment. Beyond that,

we have been tracking Butch and looking for this breakdown that Jack Hibbs describes. Beyond that, we were able to find him on the phone, on what looks to be very clearly like he is on making a phone call or had received a phone call about five minutes after the explosive went off. There he is standing there. He doesn't look to be visibly upset. We're giving you a still here. This is a video. Could be the phone call to his break. brother where he said Charlie cousin. Charlie cousin, what did he do? Oh no, Charlie cousin. That could be

the Charlie cousin phone call. I don't know. I'm just telling you what we've seen. Also, could you go back to that photo? I do want to point out this person wearing the blue shirt with the pink hat. Could you go pull up that photo again? That's holding that drink. I'm actually looking to identify that person. I'd like to reach out to that individual. If anybody knows who that is at UVU, in the pink hat and the blue shirt. I'll try to get a clear photo for you. Please do email us at more tips at canadetstones.com. I'm asking for a reason.

Like I said, I would like to get in touch with that individual. Pink hat, blue shirt, and looks like a slurpy drink there. That person is also around a lot and may have seen something. Anyway, in our butch tracking software, we did also find him, again, not looking visibly upset, creeping behind people who are speaking to the news stations about what they witnessed. Here he is. Old Butch Hibbs. I don't know.

It sounded like a higher caliber. It sounded like a higher caliber, like a 9mm. It didn't sound like a 45 or anything, but I don't know. It didn't sound that deep to me. It almost sounded like a cherry bomb. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Wow.

I'm in shock. I am too. I am too. I can't believe it happened in Utah of all places. All places. Where he has so much support. Obviously, the opposition was here. And now we're looking at a murder scene, possibly.

It's obviously a crime scene. But I don't think that Charlie can survive this unless the EMTs were close. And it was pretty, I mean, rate at our level kind of stuff. Wow. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate your best. Your death.

Thank you, you too. Again, entered without any further comment, your honor. I honestly am only showing this to the public because I'm really hopeful that these extremely faith-based pastors who have no other motivation of them to bring people closer to the truth and closer to God might be willing to just get that footage over. We've been investigating this.

Maybe, could I see that footage? because Jack, we paralled the internet. We could not find any mention of him saying that his brother had captured this amazingly close footage. It's on his phone. I don't know if your brother told you that. And maybe we could get that. I highly doubt you're going to give me that footage,

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And we know that that took place, that preliminary hearing across five days in early July. and I made it very clear to you guys that under the Utah 1102 rule, reliable hearsay is permitted at that stage. Hearsay meaning, as just one example, that's perfectly acceptable under Utah's constitution for Lance Twigs to submit a video testimony, the prosecution, sorry, the defense is not able

to cross-examine him, which seems so wild to us, but this is, it's probative, that Lance's lawyer is able to lead him in questioning. Normally, there would be all of these objections from the defense because you aren't allowed to ask leading questions. But for the sake of this probative hearing, everything pretty much flies, right? People do not have to appear in person. It's enough. You sort of just trust the science when Officer Bagley gets up there or Officer Hull gets up there and says he was told by someone that this happened, that Tyler Robinson's vehicle pulled to the side of the road and he remembered

the plates and you're like, well, where is that officer that shouldn't be here from him? No. You don't have to hear from him at this stage. It's not needed. It is constitutional. And it's just when you get to the trial that none of that will be accepted. Now, the judge in this case is the magistrate. He ultimately calls balls and strikes. And to be clear, it just seems that there are virtually no balls and strikes at this stage.

Everything is evidence. And to jog your memory, there are seven charges in total that the state is seeking to bring against Tyler Robinson. And Andrew Wilson did not know any of these, but the most severe and significant is the aggravated murder charge because that carries with it a death sentence. That's not first degree murder. That is aggravated murder. And it is worth noting that never in the history of Utah has there ever been an individual found guilty of aggravated murder where there was just one victim. Someone who fired just one bullet and had one victim, never. The aggravating factor is a very very steep standard. And it's a steep standard for a reason because it can't just become routine

for the state to put people to death, obviously, that you have to have done something that they go, oh, this is like you should be put to death. And typically to achieve that aggravating factor, you would be dealing with a circumstance where someone, and I'm giving an example here, plotted a bomb, right? Or someone who sprayed multiple bullets. There were many examples when they were listing all of the legal jurisprudence in this case, someone who sprayed multiple bullets into a crowd, demonstrating that their intention was to murder en masse. The prosecution is arguing what they're bringing forth,

their claims is that Tyler Robinson is the shooter, but they're also arguing that he only chose to fire one bullet, despite having more rounds in the chamber. That makes it very difficult to argue that he intended to commit a murder in mass, right? They also have tech messages where he clearly says, I'm going, and they're alleging that these tech messages are real, that I'm going to see Charlie Kirk

and I have to do this because his hate is too much to negotiate. Okay, well, that sounds like he had just one target. So those arguments are what the defense is engaging with. So when they're coming up and they're filing, they'll dismissal, they're basically saying, we're not even going to argue anything yet because just with the laws on the books, you have the ability as the magistrate to recognize that some of the charges should just be dismissed. They're defective charges right off the bat.

And they're saying aggravated murder, that's defective. That's defective because without us even saying whether or not these text messages are real, whether he was, we don't even have to do that legal work. We don't have to spend that money, spend that time or look at anything because this charge is so defective. and their own arguments, the prosecution's arguments, prove that. So what does the prosecution say to that? The prosecution is saying, well, okay, yeah, maybe Utah has no history of ever doing this and all these other states have no history of doing this.

But we'd like to borrow from Pennsylvania law. This is what they're actually arguing. Pennsylvania law and their jurisprudence does meet this standard. And so they, in their response to the dismissal, are citing cases in Pennsylvania where there was just one victim and it was enough as an aggravating fact. But these were actually extremely special cases were actually the clear intention was for there to be more than one victim,

but fate sort of intervened and prevented that from occurring. So somebody sprayed a bunch of bullets at kids, but only one of the kids got hit and died. That's one example of a case that they looked at. So they brought the aggravating factor because if this man had gotten his way, more children would have been dead.

Also, ironically, Pennsylvania currently has a moratorium on their death penalty altogether. So it's a weird state to try to cite to make that aggravating charge stick. I'm not sure why they went for that. I would be very shocked if he moved forward with aggravating murder. Utah would be making history in that case.

So that's what we're taking a look at. Is there filing a dismissal going to hold? They want that to be dismissed. The other charges are as follows. The second charge is for felony discharge of a firearm. The third is for obstruction of justice because the prosecution is saying that Tyler Robinson hid the firearm that was used to shoot Charlie Kirk. Then we have again obstruction of justice for their allegation that Tyler Robinson also hid the clothing that he wore during the shooting, even though we are told that he did wear the maroon shirt that he wore earlier that day. Number five is witness tampering for allegedly texting Lance and saying delete this exchange.

The sixth charge is also witness tampering for allegedly texting Lance and telling him not to speak to police and to lawyer up. Now, that is another charge that they're saying, just look on the books. You the magistrate should obviously drop this charge because if he actually did that and directed Lance Twiggs to say silent if police questioned him and to lawyer up, that is his literal, actual constitutional right. you have a right to remain silent and to lawyer up. That's a very strong argument. Count six should obviously just be dismissed off the bat because you're not tampering with a witness if you tell them that you have a constitutional right to stay silent and to lawyer up.

So that's what the defense argued in their filing for dismissal of that charge. So one, six, and seven, they also argued to be dismissed. The seventh charge is a violent offense committed in the presence of a child. Their argument, again, just saying to the state, we're not going to engage. in anything, but you can look at what's going on and just say, but this is a defective filing because of the laws on the books. And their argument was, you're saying this happened at UVU. UVU is a college campus. It would not be something that would be considered obvious that there would be children present on a college campus. The presumption would be that there were no minor

children present because it's a college campus. So one, six and seven is what they filed to dismiss, we're going to be here back from that. And that should be happening, I guess, in the next, when are they due back? They're on a break right now. In two minutes, they are due back. So I'm going to take a brief break here to see if we are going to be able to catch it at all. We'll make a decision of whether to keep going and sort of watch it live or whether we'll just shut down for the day and just report to you guys tomorrow. We'll be back after a brief break. All right, you guys, Paleo Valley is one of those snacks that don't make you choose between being healthy or having something that's delicious. Paleo Valley uses 100% grass-fed and grass-finished beef sourced from American family farms.

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that Turning Point USA wants us to move forward. It's because I just don't think that we will ever be given an opportunity to really see this up close, the corruption of our government. And I stand by Charlie's premonition about his death, that his death would be tied to a wider awakening. And if this goes through, we've already seen the mechanics of our government in a way that we have never seen it. We now know that the Department of War is involved in the propaganda and trying to get Tyler Robinson convicted and going after people who are asking, meaningful questions, smearing people, putting people on payroll. Also, the timeline of when they started putting people on payroll is very alarming to me. We had been highlighting without even

knowing the people that were working for them, even Graham Allen, I told you that, he's, he was working as a consultant for the Department of War and then suddenly starts working for Turning Point USA and is doing so much propaganda for them. It, to me, signals some sort of a preparation. There would be no reason for the Department of War not to be on our side and wanting to get to the bottom, especially at the helm of the Trump administration, wanting to get to the bottom of who killed their friend Charlie Kirk. So I am interested in seeing this move forward because I think we are never going to have a brighter light shown on our government corruption. I also think somehow this is going to be tied to the Epstein network, as I have, I think, demonstrated the early

seeds of that. A lot of the human trafficking themes, the phone call that Charlie, that Trump made to Charlie in July, telling him to stop speaking about the Epstein files. So I'm hoping this goes through. Obviously, I understand the downside of that would be that a potentially innocent person, perhaps he's an accessory to murder, perhaps he was dumping or played some role that day, which I've always thought that he was around campus on that day. But it would, to me, I think it would be ultimately a good thing for us to be able to sort of look this beast in the face, this beast of government in the face.

to see how it operates and to continue to watch Turning Point USA growing more desperate in their smears and in their lies. I did see recently, again, they rely on public ignorance as most people don't go through trials. Most people are not being sued every single day. And so they are relying on public ignorance of not knowing how trials function for them to be able to spin and to lie and to present things as if they're big wins. For example, I saw Blake pushing today. He's like, look! look at all the terabytes that were given. Never before has more information been given in this case to the defense. That is true.

They handed over as just one example over one million Discord messages. Just so you guys understand, that is a strategy. That is an actual court strategy. So what happens is you at first say, we don't want to give it over, we don't want to give it over, we don't want to give it over. We don't want to give it over. So let's say I was actually working. behind the scenes, Blake lively, which I absolutely was not. But when she subpoenaed and she said, I want your messages.

And I say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no intervenes and says, you absolutely must hand over your text messages. What I would then do is hand over 10 years of text messages and say, good luck sifting through that. One million messages. One million discord messages. So what you do is you oversupply, you oversupply so that they have a team that, at, it's impossible to go through.

And that's what they said. They suddenly handed us over. How many terabytes was it a sky that they handed them over of 12.1 terabytes? One million discord messages alone. What are the other numbers? Could you imagine handing that over and then saying, be ready for court in two weeks? That is a strategy. And so again, they are propagandizing and making it seem like, see, we're being open.

We're going to give you everybody's Discord messages since the year, since Discord was formed. Oh, you want access to my Instagram messages? Okay, game on. I'm going to give you the Rio Canis Owens account, the show account, and I'm going to give you every single message that was ever sent to me on both of those accounts, dating back to 2008. Good luck. It is a real demonstrated court strategy that people do when they want to make sure that people

are effectively buried in so much information that they can't find what they're looking for. And they have a timeline and then the judge is going to push time. We've got to get this going. We've got to get this going. You've got to find it. You've got to find a needle on the haystack.

So that's what's going on there. And it's something to watch, something to behold. Again, they are so obvious to me, especially because I understand court hearings, unfortunately, because I'm constantly being sued. It is so obvious to me what they are doing. It is so disturbing and it is so sick.

They really are the shady bunch. And that's why. I want this to go forward. Because everybody's going to get exposed. You're getting exposed. You're getting exposed. You're getting exposed. Okay, top comments from last episode.

This is one, I don't even know if this was top comment. It's my favorite comment of all time. I can't believe I didn't see it before. We were discussing Ben Shapiro. And Mama Mia writes this. She writes, Ben Shapiro is like plankton on SpongeBob. Always after that secret recipe. SpongeBob fans stand up.

It's this little plankton imp. And every episode, he's just plon. to steal the crabby paddy recipe. He just can't make, he doesn't have a sauce. He can't make one himself that people love. And so he's constantly just like plotting to get the recipe. And that's Ben. That really is Ben in a nutshell.

We're just like, why can't you just create something successful yourself? He's like, hmm, Braybart, mine. Ooh, Candace, I'll crush you in court. Mine. Charlie Kirk, I'll pick up that bloody mic. And now he's announced that he's on tour. And everyone knows they were enemies. but I guess Andrew Colvette thinks he has the power to sort of wipe history and make everybody

forget or something. It's totally wacky, but that was in very apt description. Thank you for that. Also loved this comment regarding Justin telling me, bruising me, telling me that he doesn't actually drink kombucha all that much. And I was like, we do not accept. Your terms are unacceptable. It is now a part of the folklore.

Shock vlog wrote, telling us that Justin doesn't drink kombucha is like telling us there is no cornucopia in the. the fruit of a loom logo. I simply won't believe it. I'm with you there. He's Mandela affecting us. Justin drank kombucha, probably since he was in the womb, I would say. I think that's fact. I am just going to put that out there. And so his terms are, like I said, unacceptable. Anyway, getting into comments on today's episode, we have Mamma Mia. Oh, I already read that. Sorry, Yin Yang writes, I love that you go max and hold a tight rope. I love that you love Christ and that you give us hope. Greetings from Norway. I have not been.

to Norway. I've been to a lot of European countries and I have not been to Norway and I was just commenting that I need to get up there. So hopefully I will actually be able to greet you in Norway someday. Project Constitution is live streaming, he says, the court and he says, we are watching you while waiting for the prelim to come back on. Go Max. Christ is King.

BTW. Our live is bigger than Andrew and Blakes and the official Charlie Kirk account live streams combined. That's not actually, it's not difficult mountain to scale. I will say. Butch Hibbs could scale that mountain because nobody watches them anymore. They are now constantly engaged in dishonesty. It's written all over their faces that you can sense their frustration because people don't believe them anymore. And so no one watches the Charlie Kirk show.

And that's why we called Veeves and Butthead Show. It's completely irrelevant. But congrats to you for surpassing them. And yeah, I will be jumping on and watching other streams to see what is going on. Coates writes, may God continue to bless you and to keep you safe, love you. Thank you so much, C-Cote. Mother Deanna writes, oh my goodness, that conversation is so incredibly uncomfortable to watch. Was that live Frank's face praying for all of their souls regularly? Yeah, Frank was, ooh, I was like, E, Jackie said too much. Then he was like, I don't remember anything. It's hard to watch. It's hard to watch. But a lot was said that wasn't meant to be said. and they tried to clean it up, but it wasn't that clean.

And there we have it. Mark writes, does anyone know if the hearings are being geofenced or is that only happening at churches and TPSA events? That is hilarious because it is a total plausibility. That's why it's hilarious. They're geofencing it, sending your data to Israel. They're going to target you and then tell you why you have to support Israel, the October 7th experience, as they were calling it in those far-filing docs,

coming to a court goer near you. Chris Angelo writes, The Fed Sloppers write the oral arguments for the prosecution. Overwhelming is spoken at least five times along with mountains of evidence. If not, could they have at least used a thesaurus? A show trial indeed, Christ is king.

It is incredible. You can't just keep saying overwhelming, okay? That you doesn't make it happen, Gretchen. You can't make it fetch by just saying, overwhelming, overwhelming, overwhelming. And the more they say it, the more underwhelmed I feel. I don't know about the rest of you.

Zammett writes, here's what Candace haters might accuse her of if they were honest. They'd say, Candice, you are joyful, you are intelligent, you are humble, you are loyal. How dare you, Candice? Oh, that's very sweet of you.

I am joyful, and I feel inspired. I do think that we are winning this, and you can see it, like I said, in their mannerisms, in their frustrations, in their desperation of the things that they are coming up with to target,

And my response now is just to stay focused. And we're just warming up. Like I said, we've been saving a lot because we wanted to see in which direction this hearing would go. The preliminary hearing would go, what would be decided. And we wanted everybody to be out there with their alibis and the things that they said before we really go max. And I also obviously needed time to heal and to have the perspective that it's time to fight. So here we are, you guys. Anyway, if you would like to support us, you know how to do that.

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It is Rodney Stark bearing false witness. Look at the people. Nobody was in my ear because they are there are now. bad. They have pregnancy brain with me. Baring false witness by Rodney Stark. We are just starting that book on Friday. So it's a great time to join the book club. I think we said read like the first 50 pages. But it's where we're starting. So it'll be an introduction. We'll go from there. And then on the website, obviously our most recent mug is to stop anti-canicism because there's so much of it. You could buy one. You could gift one to Pete Hegseth. That would be really sweet.

If you could gift one to Pete Hegseth. You could gift one to date a Republican. You could write a note and say, Why do you look so much like Tyler Robinson? Hmm? Where were you, date a Republican Genica Pound on September 10th? Stop anti-canicism. Stop your crappy little threads. You could buy one and you could gift one to Bill Ackman. Now, that'd be weird because he has a lot of money, a lot of money to spend.

But he might accept that anyways. I'm thinking about doing that. I'd even sign one for these sorts of people. Blake Neff, who is a superstandist but pretends doesn't watch every second of the show. Hey, Blakey. We know you're watching Blakey. and you're going to just tweet and pretend you born. Someone sent me this clip. Yeah, yeah. You're a little stalker. It's fine. Poor Charlie. You know what? You were the person who was not friends with him. You just, he did a solid for Tucker Carlson. You sat next to him. You didn't even start working until the beginning of like 2024. So you knew Charlie for a year and a half and you were just like an annoying person who sat there because he's a good friend to Tucker. That's really what happened. You don't know him at all. The fact that you said, I saw the donors, his friends. You just, You had no idea what sort of a human being Charlie was.

And you just had, you are so short-sighted to think that you could continue his legacy. You just don't have it, kid. You don't have it. The Beavis and Budhead show will go on, though. And we will see how far they take it. They're going to take it far, far, I think. Anyway, you guys, I don't think we have any updates right now with the court hearing. So I'm going to jump off.

Really, because I'm just hungry, if I'm being honest with you guys. I just am at the stage of pregnancy where the idea of the idea of, like missing a meal, do this live when I get reported tomorrow, just doesn't really feel like the right move for me right now. I'm sorry, that's the truth. I just want to be honest with you guys always. We'll see you guys tomorrow.