Candace - Candace Owens x E. Michael Jones

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

I sit down with E. Michael Jones to discuss his book, Libido Dominandi, and the effects pornography has on society. Purchase E. Michael’s Jones’ book here: https://www.fidelitypress.org Follow E. Michael Jones on X here: https://x.com/EMichaelJones1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm gonna have to write you a ticket to my new movie, The Naked Gun. Liam Neeson. Buy your tickets now and get a free chili dog. Chili dog not included. The Naked Gun tickets on sale now. August 1st. All right guys, so we've been speaking a lot on the new podcast about pornography. It's an interesting topic. Obviously recognizing that right now pornography is actually everywhere. Even where you don't even recognize. You go onto Instagram, and suddenly there's softcore pornography. You look up at an advertisement,

and a woman is selling a bag, but for whatever reason, she needs to be half naked or totally naked with the bag in order for you to want to buy it. It's really interesting. And I've arrived at the conclusion that pornography is a spiritual weapon. I am holding in my hand a book by E. Michael Jones.

It's entitled, Libido Dominandi. And I have to tell you something about E. Michael Jones. According to the ADL, you should not listen to him. He is a hate monger, a very hateful person. He's an anti-Semite, he's a racist. He's all the things. And worse, probably worse of all, he's a Catholic. And so, why I was interested anyways, because the ADL also has me on their list, and so

I'm quite fascinated by people who earned their ire. And this book made me realize why that might have been. I'm just going to read you a little bit here that I have highlighted that I find to be fascinating. Unlike Aristotle, who argued that men were slaves, which is to say by nature, Augustine took a radically moral view of the issue. Man was free as long as he was moral, which is to say acting according to the dictates of practical reason. It is clear, he wrote in City of God, that sin is the primary cause of servitude. That means a good man, though a slave is free,

but a wicked man, though a king is a slave, for he serves as many masters as he has vices. Another quotation here, it says, absolute freedom is actually a form of bondage. A man can become enslaved to his desires. Such a person has indentured and enslaved his soul and spirit to his lusts and tempers." And this part, I think I loved the most. It says here that according to Augustine, which is something that he proposed in his

book, The City of God, all of history could be reduced to two options, symbolized by two cities. The City of God is based on love of God to the extinction of self, and the city of man is based on love of self to the extinction of God. And then E. Michael Jones writes, the distinction I'm trying to make here is like the difference between Jesus Christ and Dracula. Christ shed his blood so that we might have eternal life. Dracula sheds your blood so that he can have eternal life.

Fascinating. E. Michael Jones, welcome to the Candice Show. Thank you, Candice, great to be here. I am so pleased to have you on here to speak about pornography and this book, and this is, by the way way the second edition of this book, you had written this book and had theorized a lot about pornography as a spiritual weapon.

I wouldn't even say it's a theory, it's just a fact. And then thereafter, this event happened in 2002, which made you recognize how correct you were. Can you talk about that? Yeah, so the first edition came out 25 years ago and was greeted with skepticism. And then I was saying, it's a form of control and now it's freedom.

And then I was talking about pornography in this regard. And then after the book came out, the Israelis invaded Ramallah. And one of the first things they did was take over the TV stations and they started broadcasting pornography from the TV stations. Now, how does this fit with the American understanding of pornography? I mean, Larry Flint, they did a movie about him. He said, no one's free unless I can produce pornography. So pornography means freedom. So you mean the Palestinians or the Israelis are bringing

palette freedom to the Palestinians by doing this? No, it's the exact opposite. It was an admission after the fact. Three years after the book comes out, then they finally have the I have the the the incident that proves what I'm saying is, is accurate. It's a form of control. They wanted to derange the Palestinian youth by having them look at pornography so that they couldn't organize and fight this Israeli oppression. So I gave this speech after the first edition, I gave it in, in, I gave it

in, in Switzerland and there were Palestinians in audience, and they came up to me and said, it was much worse than what you said. There were snipers on the roof. If you came out, they would shoot you. We know now that they do this kind of stuff because it's in the news every day now. But this was news then. So they were forced to watch pornography. Why did they want to do that?

Because they knew exactly what St. Augustine said. They wanted to get them to get addicted to pornography so they could control them. That's simple. So what is the meaning of libido dominandi just to reduce this to its Latin understanding? It's the dominating lust, or it's the lust to dominate. And so as I said, there are two options, the city of God and the city of man.

The city of God is the city of man. The city of God is based on love and service, love of your fellow man and service to your fellow man. Well, the city of man has to be the opposite. Well, what's that? The opposite is domination. You're here to dominate other people for your good. That's the demonic alternative to the city of God.

And you start speaking about really how this merged with psychology, but I wanna start with France, where it seems like every bad idea and every sexual bad idea kind of arrived out of France into America. But it's interesting to learn how many of the greatest perverts were then sort of idolized as they, as we began formulating modern psychology and this theory that sex was about freedom

trying to, I believe wrongly, and I think there's a lot of evidence that it is wrong, that sex somehow frees people in how the psychologists kind of introduced this concept that you're just not free enough because you haven't gotten in touch with your physical self. And really your physical self, you're talking about your lower self, your lower instincts. So I wanted you to speak a little bit about psychology and sex and kind of where,

I guess the modern version of sex actually stems from. Where, when we started seeing people write things that I would describe as sexual deviancy and the derivative, or I guess the origin of the word, sadistic, where it actually comes from. All right, so basically you have to go to the traditional understanding of the word sadistic, where it actually comes from. All right, so basically you have to go to the traditional understanding of the soul, which is basically logos, ethos, pathos.

So you have reason at the top, and then you have will, and then you have passion. And there's nothing wrong with passion. They were created to drive us forward. It's like the energy. And the classic example of this was the horse, the rider on the horse. The horse, the rider is, can, the horse is a good thing,

it's a powerful thing, but it's also a dangerous thing if you let the horse control your movements. And that's why you have the will or the bit in the horse's mouth. When you're talking about the French Revolution, you're talking about a revolution which means you turn things upside down. So now you put passion about the French Revolution, you're talking about a revolution, which means you turn things upside down So now you put passion at the top and passion now controls reason

Well, the Greeks knew about that. I mean Hippolytus Euripides There's a man who always is in control of his horse and then a monster comes up and he gets trampled to death by his own Horses you can get trampled to death by your horses if you allow passion to be in control. Well, if the revolution takes place, what was down at the bottom comes at the top. And the man who understood the implications of this in France was the Marquis de Sade, who had been basically incarcerated

because he was incorrigible. He was a danger to society. They never had a trial, they just put him there, and he ended up in the Bastille at this crucial moment in French history. Now, the moment was prepared for by pornography. Pornography was one of the main impetuses to the French Revolution.

The duke's, the king's cousin, the Duc d'Orléans, had a place called the Palais Royale where low laws were enforced and they started producing pornography, specifically pornography dealing with Marie Antoinette, who was the queen, and having her engage with sex with soldiers and horses and stuff like that. And it was an attack on the dignity of the monarchy. And this is – Dessade steps in at this point, he's been incarcerated for years, he's writing books, he's writing pornographic books. He wrote the classic, the classic pornographic

book, which everyone read during the 19th century. And in it, it's kind of like pornography interspersed with rationalization. And he comes to formulate kind of the theory of rationalist, of pornography, and he says that the moral man is at rest, but the immoral man is in a state of perpetual unrest. Augustine would have said that. He would agree. But now what do you, you want perpetual unrest because you want a revolution. You want to mobilize the forces against the king. You want to overthrow the established order. And the engine that's going to do this is sexual liberation. The French Revolution was, first and foremost,

a sexual revolution. Wordsworth, the poet, went over and fathered an illegitimate child because everyone's doing it over here now. But the man who mobilized it with the Marquis de Sade, so there's a reaction, the Catholic reaction in the West, is basically the Vendee is marching on Paris. They eventually get slaughtered by Napoleon, who then becomes the great leader. But he writes a little essay in which he says, we have to stimulate passion, because the revolution is based on passion.

And so what we need to do is exhibit women naked in the theater, because this will stimulate passion. So this is kind of like pornography. But you've got a technological problem here, okay? Because if you have a big theater and you're in the last row, you can't really see the lady. If you have a small theater, you're not mobilizing a lot of men,

and this would be eventually solved by technology. So you have Marquis de Sade, and he's in France, and he's a total sexual deviant, and he wrote really, it was just forms of sexual deviance. He's sometimes even mixed with crime. Like, I mean, like, and again, Marquis de Sade, the word in the term sadistic actually derives from him, sad, sadistic, and you're correct.

He understood that you could sort of fish out these passions in people and put them in a permanent state of unrest and a state of revolution, but they were limited by the fact that there weren't screens and there wasn't technology. And then you sort of see his image, despite the fact that he was a pervert,

and known to be a pervert and a criminal throughout his life, get sort of rehabilitated by psychologists. And you write about one of those psychologists, Wilhelm, I'm blanking on the last name. Right, Wilhelm Reich. Wilhelm Reich. There's a direct line from the Marquis de Sade

through Bataille to Foucault, who became the guru of a philosopher in the 1970s. But as you said, there was a second step. the guru of philosopher in the 1970s. But as you said, there was a second step. It was again revolution. The man who created the term sexual revolution was Wilhelm Reich, and he created it in the 1930s. Now, he's in Austria now.

He's in Vienna, and Vienna is, you know, it's like the Viennese Jews versus the Catholics in the countryside. And he's a communist and he's a Freudian. And he found that whenever he tried to get people together to talk about the third thesis of the Fourth International, everybody left the room, nobody was bored, but he could always get a crowd to talk about sex. And so sex became the mobilizing device for the revolution.

Now this is, now we're talking about the Russian revolution, second big revolution. And so he started talking about how do you deal with the situation in Austria, which is Catholic? Go to the Catholic, go to the Catholic seminarians, okay? But don't debate the existence of God with the Catholic seminary, okay? But don't debate the existence of God with the Catholic seminary, because you'll always lose. Don't do that.

Get the Catholic seminary involved in masturbation. That's what he says, and he comes up with this thesis, little incident that he talks about, because either you masturbate or you pray, but you don't do both. And if you can get people to change their sexual habits, he said, the idea of God will evaporate from the seminarian's mind. And that's a crucial term because Reich became very influential after that, after he came over here, he had a huge

influence over here. And I think in many ways, she's the father of the new left because the new left was sexual. Foucault was part of that thing. We're not gonna talk about taking over the means of production anymore. Let's take over the culture and we'll take over the culture by spreading pornography because that creates a masturbation

and masturbation causes people not to pray and that will destroy the Catholic Church. That's kind of the whole theory in a nutshell. And it is funny that you say the Catholic Church because I think people might hear that and go, oh, that's just like a conspiracy. But what's quite fascinating is, and you can even look this up on Wikipedia,

but they're the pornographers, the early pornographers in America. You had this guy named Al Goldstein who quite literally said, and it's on his Wikipedia page, like we Jews created and got into the pornography business to crush the Catholic Church because we hate Christianity and we hate Jesus Christ.

That's a direct quote. Like, I will pull it up. The direct quote is Christ sucks. Christ sucks. We're Jews are in pornography because Christ sucks. Christ sucks. And then when people, when you hear that, and that's so obviously anti-Christian,

they say, well, you talking about it as anti-Semitic, talking about how somebody hates me, is somehow you're not allowed to know the history of pornography, and that it was meant to quite literally be a spiritual weapon to corrupt people's spirits, and it's been largely successful. Now you say Wilhelm Reich,

he is kind of the people who studied the school of Sigmund Freud. I landed in a lot of hot water on my previous show when I really quite surprisingly was learning about Sigmund Freud and discovered that not only was he a pervert who was very likely molested by his father, he then was in a homosexual affair with his best friend Wilhelm Fleece, who molested his son. And he also then was covering for a bunch of pedophiles who had molested their children and molested their daughters and their sons. And I learned that because I stumbled upon Jeffrey Massone,

who was the director of the Sigmund Freud Archives, did everything right in his life, went to Harvard, a Jewish psychologist, and was very pleased to work under Anna Freud, and decided when she said you're gonna be the next director of the Freud archives to learn German. And he learned German and starts going through all of these archives that have never been made public and is shocked to discover that Sigmund Freud

was covering for pedophiles. Like this wasn't children who were, never been made public and a shock to discover that Sigmund Freud was covering for pedophiles. Like this wasn't children who were, like his theory is, who were just attracted to their parents, which is totally a bonkers theory, but these people weren't lying. The people that he were seeing were molested by their children.

He then brought that to the public thinking, oh my gosh, wait until we realize that we've got this, the origins of the psychoanalytic movement wrong, and the exact opposite thing happened. The media turned on him. He was kicked out of the Freud Archive Center, and he then was in a 10-year lawsuit because the media was smearing and libeling him,

and he fought them for 10 years. One, and then it was appealed, and then he lost. It was an unbelievably expensive lawsuit. And he was so shocked by the fact that he was trying to bring to the forefront that pedophilia had happened and got kicked out of the psychoanalytic club. So what are we to make of that? Well, you have to, there was a big crisis in Freud studies because Freud basically covered his tracks. He didn't want anyone to know where he got the ideas.

So if you talk, he got ideas from Nietzsche, the whole idea of the Oedipus complex, the whole idea of incest as the way to become a god comes from Nietzsche. It's in the Birth of Tragedy, that powerful passage at the end of the Birth of Tragedy. But I think that the crucial start for Freud was the Illuminati manuscripts.

Now there was an Illuminati, it did exist as a secret society in Bavaria during the late 18th century. And the documents were found and they were published by the King of Bavaria as a way of preventing this from happening. It was a man by the name of Adam Weishaupt, and Adam Weishaupt was a teacher at the University of Eichstätt. And it was a Jesuit university, and he was aware of the Jesuit examination of conscience. So before you go to confession, you examine your conscience and then you come up with the sins

and then you confess the sins and then the priest says, go and sin no more. Well, this got weaponized. The same thing I said about Freud and Augustine, it got turned upside down so that now he comes up with this idea called Seelenanalyse, which is the German word for examination of the soul.

And he turns it into psychoanalysis. But Freud turned it into psychoanalysis. But basically what he's saying is, you can take these, get the person to confess his sins to you, and then you can control them through his sins. So you can say, well, you can control him through his sins. So you can say, well, you can do it again as long as you keep me in the loop,

and we'll take care of that. And that's how the Illuminati got control of these people. This is exactly what Freud did. Exactly what Freud did, and he did, and exactly what his goy, his Gentile heir apparent, Jung, C.G. Jung was supposed to do. Well, that's interesting. So I actually haven't learned too much about Carl Jung.

And I think he's still respected by a lot of people. So just illuminate me, like, let me know more about him. Because they then had a fractured relationship toward the end. Yeah, and they go into this, and there's supposed to be this scene where suddenly there's crackling in the bookshelf or something like that, and it basically came down to,

Freud was an atheist, but Jung believed in some type of God, I don't know what it is, but some type of spiritual force. His mother was a medium, she was involved in the whole occult tradition, so he brought that into it. But basically, what we're talking about here is how do you control people? And we're gonna talk about specific instances here.

Rich Americans, they got a lot of money. We're talking about the 1920s, the currency here is crap. They got a rather real money. And so, Royda and Jung became involved in competition for who's gonna get the rich Americans. And I think Freud, I'm sorry, Jung won the battle because he got involved with Meydel McCormick, the heir to the International Harvester Foundation

and his sister, Edith Rockefeller, sister-in-law Edith Rockefeller McCormick. And they were both troubled. Now, people are going to be troubled. If you cut yourself off from sacramental confession, you cannot get your sins forgiven. This is the whole story of America, but we could talk about it another time.

You go crazy when you don't get your sins committed. And so you need some type of release because the guilt becomes intolerable. And so you go to confession. Well, now you can do the exact opposite. So Maynard McCormick comes to Jung and he says, well, I've been sleeping with all these actresses. And Jung says, okay, you can keep doing it

as long as you come and pay me these big fees. And then Edith Rockefeller McCormick gives him a lot of money. He builds his foundation. And Freud is furious because he's taking over his operation. Freud is involved in the same thing. Freud wrote to, Fleece invited him to Berlin, and Freud said, I'd love to come, but I'm afraid my patients will get well in my absence. He had one day, it's like he had a picture of a lion in the subtitle. It's already noon and no Negroes. In other words, I haven't eaten anyone yet,

so he's preying on his own people. This came out long after the fact, long after the whole Freud thing. The Johns Hopkins University published the correspondence between an American psychoanalyst named Taurus Frink and Freud. Frink was a doctor. Frink wanted to become a psychoanalyst.

In order to become a psychoanalyst, you have to go to Vienna, you have to lie down on the couch, and you have to tell Freud your history. Well, we're back to the Illuminati here. It's like the examination of conscience. And Frink tells him, well, I'm having an affair with one of my rich patients. So instead of Freud saying, this is unethical,

you can't sleep with your patients, he says, divorce your wife, marry this rich woman, and then give me a significant contribution. That's the whole Freudian thing in a nutshell, okay? All of this mumbo jumbo is to control people for your benefit, which is exactly what I said about libido dominandi. So it's almost a perfect inversion of the church

because it's a church of Satan. And so it's basically where you have priests and said you have these satanic priests and they keep telling you to keep giving into your lust, keep giving into your lust. And this is why, by the way, I am totally, I think psychotherapy, psychoanalysis, and you can trace everything back

that's happening in society to essentially that's what happens today. How do we get to this transgender problem? We have a bunch of kids going to therapy and they're not making them better, they're telling them that every feeling you have is valid. Every libido instinct that you have is valid. If you think this, then it's right.

Go be you, go be your best self. Again, that city of man that's being created. Like worship yourself and every instinct that you have. Do not temper your desires, lean into them. And people don't understand what we read earlier, which is that eventually you become weaker and weaker, and you become a slave to your desires because you have absolutely no control,

and you have essentially dominated the logos, and you're just sort of living in this fear that is fully driven by desire. Right, I think that that's the whole point. Anyone who tells you to give in to your passions is talking to, turning you into a slave. And so what you have over this period of time is the development of technologies of control

that will culminate in social engineering, it will culminate in the mainstreaming of pornography. Just, I'm reluctant to quote this, I saw it on the internet just briefly, but there's two groups, two brothers, the Krastenstein brothers, and one of them just spilled the beans. He said, we need to have the Gordian watching pornography because otherwise they will put us in concentration camps. That may not be an exact quote. They will

attack us. They will beat us up, something like that. And so we have to enslave them to distract them by getting them watching pornography and slave to their passion. That's exactly what the Israelis attempted to do in Gaza. I'm sorry, in Ramallah. That's exactly what they tried to do. So the technology is out. It's as if these people were spilling the beans about private conversations.

There are people who know these things. There are people who have been putting these things into practice, but they're not gonna tell you because if they tell you, well, I'm doing this to control you, it doesn't work. It only works if you don't know. So I just randomly, I pull up at the supermarket, I'm locking my bicycle and some guy says to me, you're E. Michael Jones, aren't you? I said, yeah. He said, I stopped watching porn because of you. Now, I never talked to this guy, but sometimes all you have to say is sexual liberation is

a form of control. And suddenly the people, I didn't have to explain this to the generation in 2019, to the generation that had grown up with their cell phones as access to pornography. They understood that they were slaves. They came up with this thing called NoFap November. People were not going to watch pornography, were not going to masturbate. And lo and behold, Rolling Stone attacks these people and calls them anti-Semites. Well, wait a minute, you just let the cat out of the bag here.

Are you saying that Jews control pornography? Well, yeah, of course you are. And of course they do. They have from the beginning. There's a guy, professor of the University of Pennsylvania, wrote a book called Bookleggers and Smutthounds, scholarly book, he said Jews control pornography from the beginning.

That is the one way they weaken the dominant culture and that allows them to take control. Well, I don't think that they deny that, by the way. There's tons of footage on the internet of pornography directors discussing that and it allows them to take control. Well, I don't think that they deny that, by the way. There's tons of footage on the internet of pornography directors discussing that and saying, we control the pornography industry. Now, not many of them give a reason as to why that is,

but I definitely don't think that that's something that can be disputed. And yet I- There's a rabbi owns Pornhub. Or started Pornhub. Now they say, oh, well, that's fact check that because then he sold it to a private equity firm and that's kind of now he doesn't own it.

But yeah, it begs the question, what are the requirements to be a rabbi? Because everyone that I've come across has been a bit wacky to be honest with you. Right, I know. You've had your own experience with rabbis recently. Yes. So what does this say about a rabbi?

What does this say about his religion if he's promoting something that is, everyone recognizes as evil and debilitating. What does that say? We're just drawing the implications now, I think. Because there are implications from these statements. It's like the Jews announcing that abortion is a fundamental Jewish value.

That was the quintessential requirement for sexual liberation to be able to have an abortion. So you didn't have to face up to the consequences of that sexual intercourse that you had. And now suddenly it's being portrayed as a fundamental value by Jews. We have to understand this and draw the implications. Well, what's interesting, though,

is when you think about a rabbi starting a porn hub and then maybe selling it, it does bring into question, what is your faith? Like, what do you actually believe that you can become a rabbi? Because it's unimaginable that there would be a Catholic priest that would be allowed to start Pornhub and maintain the title of a Catholic priest.

And this gets into kind of realizing that there are, which people I don't think recognize, a lot of different sects when it comes to Judaism, but your theory is that all of it is sort of, I don't wanna put words in your mouth here because there was a specific word that you used, but not contrary to Christianity, but it agitates Christianity no matter what.

Like these two philosophies are incompatible, no matter what. Well, it's another book I wrote, a book called The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, which followed up after this book. It's about 10 years after I wrote that book. But I'm thinking, if I'm going to talk about this, I have to get back to the, what's the basic issue? And the basic issue is not racial. It's theological. And

the theological issue came to a head when Jesus Christ arrived on this earth. And he's the Messiah. And the Jews have to make a decision. Do we accept this man on his terms as the Messiah? Or do we want someone better? And if you go to the Gospel of St. John, there's a big dispute between Jesus Christ and the Jews. And they play the race card. They say, we are the seed of Abraham.

You can't push us around. And Jesus Christ said, God doesn't need your DNA, didn't quite say it that way, but I mean, he could raise up rocks. And so the crucial issue is, who is Jesus Christ? He's the Logos incarnate. And what is your position with the Logos incarnate? Do you accept them or do you reject them? And I'm saying that the Jews who accepted him became the Catholic Church, the Christians, and the Jews who rejected them have been in rebellion against Logos ever since. And so there is this, Logos means the order of the universe

that God created. And if you're in rebellion against that, you're a revolutionary. Well, they're revolutionaries, they are. And that's why I call the book The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. And you have something like the Bolshevik Revolution, that was a Jewish operation.

It wasn't saying every Bolshevik was a Jew or every Jew was a Bolshevik, but it was a Jewish operation. And the thing that got me started on that book was the neoconservative press to get us involved in the war in Iraq. How did this happen? How did such a small group of people get control of the entire foreign policy to the point where we invaded a country that didn't have anything, that

wasn't doing anything against it? Well, yeah, the neocon movement is just not conservative whatsoever. I think people are starting to come to terms with that. And it is interesting because I could not verify this fact. I can't find a picture, but I thought it was really interesting. The neocons love William F. Buckley. That's like, this is what it means to be a neocon. We think William F. Buckley has the greatest ideas. And I love that Tucker Carlson said,

I think he's actually one of the great villains of the 20th century. But I then, when I was researching that guy, Al Goldstein, this pornographer, I realized that he started Screw Magazine with somebody named James Buckley. And I don't know who James Buckley is. I can't find a picture, I can't find a photo.

I don't think they're related. Okay, because there is in the same family, of course, they could not be related, I don't know, but I can't find anything on this person, and I'm just wondering what's going on there. Who's James Buckley who was involved in the pornography industry? I don't think he had anything to do with William F. Buckley,

but William F. Buckley was a man who created conservatism. He created conservatism, and this is in 1953. I know the guy, he wrote a book called God and Man at Yale. Henry Regnery was the publisher. I was a friend of Henry Regnery before he died. He also published Russell Kirk's book, The Conservative Mind in the same year. Some people claimed that Buckley did it with CIA money.

I asked Joe Sobran that when he was alive. It's debatable. Buckley was in the CIA. But anyway, what were they created was a new form of conservatism to distance everyone from America first, which I think was the real form of conservatism. Of course it was. Henry Regnery's think was the real form of conservatism.

Of course it was. Henry Regnery's father was the treasurer for America First. And on December 8th, 1941, the CIA showed, the FBI showed up and took his mailing list and that killed America First. Okay, so something new came in and this thing, new thing is, America First was isolationist. Now we got this, we're backing the anti-communist crusade

and then Buckley went on to become the spokesman for conservatism, but the tragedy is that they yanked his chain. When Joe Sobrans started writing Articles Critical of Israel, they yanked Buckley's chain. He wrote an article denouncing Pat Buchanan, who was the big representative of America First at this point, and Joe Sobran. Joe Sobran idolized Bill Buckley, and he stabbed him in the back because the Jews yanked his

chain. It's that simple. And so he just went along and now it just became irrelevant. It became irrelevant. The ultimate irrelevancy was when this group of people at National Review announced that Donald Trump is not a real conservative and that he wins, becomes president.

So now what do you do? Now what do you do? These guys are completely irrelevant. Robbie George, who was one of the people who, I think he's the guy who masterminded that manifesto, just announced that no Catholic can be an anti-Semite. Catholics should not be anti-Semites. Didn't define the term.

Okay, what do you mean by this? I mean, you were attacked. I had to jump in at this point because they're Catholic. I mean, you're basically, partly the water of baptism is still moist on your forehead and these people wanna excommunicate you because they come up with this idea that you're an anti-Semite.

What does that mean? We have to define this term. We can't let ourselves be bullied anymore by this term. It's just, we're past that. Yeah, I think all across the board, people are tired of it. I said it was sort of like when BLN, everybody was a racist, and now we're kind of getting into,

and then people got tired of calling everybody a racist, and nobody cared anymore. And I think we're finally arriving at that point with antisemitism. It's like you're just saying everyone's an antisemite, which means that nobody's actually an antisemite, and you're just trying to assert control because you can't actually argue the ideas.

Yes, that's right. There was a crucial moment in the Catholic Church where the Catholic Church stood up to the Jews in Hollywood. And it was 1933 and it was the Legion of Decency. So the entire country in the 1920s is very upset about the movies that are coming out of Hollywood because it's nudity. We don't know this anymore. I mentioned a book to you where you can find out the pre-code

films. And they were pushing homosexuality. They were pushing ridicule of clergy. They're pushing nudity. They're pushing obscenity. And the Protestants who were the dominant group, they got Will Hayes, they tried to stop it, they failed. And then the Catholics stood up to the Jews, they basically called for a boycott of, Cardinal Dockery of Philadelphia called for a boycott of Warner Brothers theaters in Philadelphia. And Joe Breen, who was the man in Hollywood negotiating this, said, Harry Warner is crying tears as big as horse turds because he's losing $100,000 a week in Philadelphia. Now that threatened to go to New York, to Chicago, to Cleveland, to every big city in the Northeast that had a big Catholic population, and that was going to be the end of Hollywood. And so Hollywood backed down and the Institute of the Production

Code. Now that was successful for 32 years. For 32 years, you didn't have it. Maybe the golden age of Hollywood. Hollywood's not doing well now. With woke superhero movies. They're not doing well. They don't know how to deal with this. So it kept Hollywood in line,

but they didn't like this. They were always, and finally they saw their moment. The moment was the Second Vatican Council. There seems to be this type of new movement, approach to the Jews, it's in Nostra Aetate. And they released a Holocaust film called The Pawn Broker. And in The Pawn Broker, it's basically, there's a black prostitute walks into the pawn shop and she opens her shirt,

bare-breast on the screen, breaks the code. So, Monsignor, I saw the correspondence between Monsignor Little, who's head of Legion of Decency, and Eli Landau, who is the producer, and he said, shoot it from behind. Have the black prostitute with her back toward the camera and then put Rod Steiger's face in the frame. And that way you'll get some acting.

It's a much more, no, they didn't want to do it. They didn't want drama. They wanted bare breasts on the screen because that's how they're gonna make more money. And they also were using the Holocaust as the hammer that was going to intimidate the Catholics. And the Catholics ran up the white flag. They had a failure of nerve, and within,

so Landau says to Monsignor Little, this will be a great era of cinematic art. Within seven years, we had Deep Throat, first-run theaters, Devil and Miss Jones. We had hardcore pornography on the big screen, because that's what they wanted, and it's only gotten worse since that time. Jones. We have hardcore pornography on the big screen because that's what they wanted. And it's only gotten worse since that time. As soon as you get the computer, pornography

is always driven by technology. As soon as you get the computer, you have VHS, pornography drove VHS sales. Then you have the internet. And then you have the Communications Decency Act. Hollywood comes up with two propaganda films, People People versus Larry Frint and Boogie Nights. And they exempt, they allow pornography on the internet. Fateful decision. Now you got all these young people who grew up with easy access to pornography. It's a crisis now because they cannot relate

to members of the opposite sex because sin isolates you. This type of sin isolates you, they cannot form families. There's a huge crisis right now. And they're only now waking up. It was only 2019 when people started saying, well, maybe it is slavery. Maybe Jones was right when he wrote that book.

There is something happening right now, and it's been amazing to see, I've been speaking about pornography and men have been reacting and they say in the comments section, thank you so much for talking about this. Like I struggle with this all the time and to hear someone speak about this struggle,

it gives me faith to know that you're not alone. Like, and I tell them, don't be ashamed because you were targeted, right? You grew up with a phone, they also took over obviously obviously, the classrooms. It's like Soviet propaganda. And I distinctly remember learning in my health class that watching pornography was healthy,

that you should watch pornography, that it is actually healthy to watch pornography because it lets you learn about sex. Sort of this book that Thomas Sowell writes to explain how they intentionally, and they did use Soviet tactics, tried to put a wedge between children and their parents. Like your parents are old fashioned,

they don't think this is okay. And within one decade, you had kids that the majority of them were graduating high school with virginity intact, complete reversal within 10 years, because they then put all these incentives for health and sexual learning, or just teaching you these things because your parents won't do that for you. And so it's incredible to reflect on that

and realize that I had this perspective growing up that people, like of course if you date a guy, it's totally fine if he watches pornography. That's actually gonna keep your relationship healthy. This wasn't my idea, this is what I was taught. So you're passing the class and you're getting that feedback. Like you know things correctly, you're gonna grow up and you're gonna have

a healthy relationship if you allow your boyfriends to watch pornography, and this is what it looks like. And now I look back on that, and I'm now team homeschool your kids because this is, your children's spirits are intentionally being captured in a classroom, and they're introducing these satanic forces. And it is very hard, especially for boys,

because they're biologically wired differently from women. You get them addicted to pornography when they're young, telling them it's good. The odds are stacked against them when they get older. And if it becomes an addiction for them, and for many of them it has become an addiction, because like I said, pornography is everywhere. My husband doesn't even have social media,

because he says, I don't think you realize, even if you're reading the Daily Mail, you're seeing soft core pornography. And the way that women dress, what they're putting on the cover, what they're putting everywhere is we've just okayed soft core pornography in society. It's worse than that because of acts and Twitter.

It's full of pornography. He's, Elon Musk, God bless Elon Musk, he restored me. I got banned from Twitter, he restored me. You're allowed to say things now on there. But really, you're not doing yourself any favors, or us any favors, by allowing all this pornography. You can do like- Why do you think he allows that?

That's very interesting. I think he's made a deal with the Jews. I think he went to Auschwitz, you go there to offer up incense to idols. And I think he's instituted what the ADL says, which is basically freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. And I think that part of the deal,

it's not explicit, but I think part of the deal is to allow pornography, because pornography, as we've established here, is a form of control, and the Jews insist on it. They insist on having that allowed because they're afraid that if people stop watching pornography, they're all gonna be put in concentration camps. This is the type of rhetoric.

This was in that thing I quoted to you. I'm gonna find that article. You said Rolling Stone. Rolling Stone, yeah, it's easy to find. Okay, you also had a crucial turning point in the so-called women's movement. So you had Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin saying, pornography victimizes women.

Well, duh, Wendy, that's great, you figured that out. So what happened at that point? It was gaining traction in the feminism. Guess who stopped it? Betty Friedan. Her maiden name is Betty Goldstein. And then she came and defended pornography. So this is blood is thicker than water. This is the Jewish principle here of pornography. We need this to control the goyim. And she's the one who did it and spread division in the feminist movement at

a time when you were getting allies. You could have had allies between the right and the left here against pornography and sheep She disrupted it. Yeah, it's very interesting to see that even on the conservative side and People that you would say describe themselves as ultra conservative will still defend pornography I'm right or defense for ya, Ben Shapiro defends pornography. I remember sitting across from him at a backstage event and me and the Catholics, I was not a Catholic at the time, but me and Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh were all saying no to pornography,

like not even a couple of times. And then Ben was kind of giving this soft defense and saying, well, you know, Jewish people, it's down to the law. And we wouldn't say, I want to get the exact argument of why Jewish people don't find it to be problematic. I think he said that it was because it's the thing, not the thought, that's the sin. And so since they are not cheating on their wives, which I don't see how that's not cheating on your wife watching pornography, is not considered a violation.

It's not considered a sin, was how he summed it up. And then Matt sort of countered and said, okay, so you would be okay with your wife going to a hotel and watching two people have sex. As long as she doesn't get involved, like that's not a sin. And it was a great rebuttal. And I was very confused. I'm like, this is such an easy thing. Obviously pornography,

and that was Dennis Prager's defense as well. He went on Matt Fradd's podcast, a Catholic podcast, was like, the thought is not the thing. And I'm going, don't we all know that thoughts come before the thing? Like, I don't know. You have to think it before you do it.

That's exactly what I was gonna say. You have to think it before you do it. And it's in your mind, and if the progression is a mortal sin, it's grievous matter, full consent of the will. Well, it's gotta be in your mind before you can consent to it.

And so the church would call it a near occasion of sin, which means you're putting yourself in danger by doing this. And so you should avoid the near occasions of sin. Now, we've got this complicated situation. So am I in the near occasions of sin. Now, now we've got this complicated situation. So am I in a near occasion of sin because I'm on Twitter? I mean, what are we doing here? It's frustrating. I'm like, I'm looking up something

and then suddenly I'm looking at porn. Like it just pops up and it's very, very frustrating because it's just, it's wrong. I should not have to be exposed to pornography. We should not be exposed to this. Because I'm looking up a hashtag that has nothing to do with pornography. We should not be exposed to this. Because I'm looking up a hashtag that has nothing to do with pornography.

Yeah, so we should, I hope Elon Musk is listening here because we should not be exposed to this and you're undermining your position on free speech if you're allowing pornography because pornography is the extinction of thought. That's the whole point of it. So you will hear people who are conservatives who actually say, well, what are you talking about?

It's protected by the 1A. And that fascinates me, because it really lets you know that they don't know history. They don't know how that became a thing. They don't know who Samuel Roth is, and how, for whatever reason, they've been polluted to believe that pornography is speech.

It's so obviously not speech. It's obscenity. It was never considered speech. It was obscenity. Never considered speech. And when did it become speech? Over the course of the 1950s and 1960s, where you had these Supreme Court decisions, where the Supreme Court is trying to figure out

what is it? And you had people like Norman Mailer. It was a Jewish, pornography is always a Jewish operation. Yeah, the big one was rock. And you'd find someone who would say, well, it's, the crucial thing was, it's art. This is the crucial thing that happened with Mapplethorpe in Cincinnati. You remember Mapplethorpe, the photographer? Catholic boy who was completely corrupted by the homosexual culture. He is the

man who valorized homosexuality. I mean, when I was a kid, there were, you know, people, if you're hitchhiking, some queer would pick you up and they were creepy people. And everybody knew they were creepy people. But he comes along and he's got this photography of what he was doing in these places like the mine shaft, you know what I mean? And everybody is shocked, but it gave them kind of some type of heroic stature. So anyway, the government, the NCA sponsors the National Endowment for Arts, sponsors this Mapplethorpe exhibit, and it's immediately called obscene. Then they go to Cincinnati. Cincinnati is a Catholic town.

It's always been a Catholic town. It's been one of the bulwarks against abortion, for example. And they put the guy on trial and the Jews fund it. And so it comes down to it's art. Well, by this point, the Jews had totally destroyed art. I'm getting ahead of myself. It's in The Dangers of Beauty. If you want to talk about Conviler and Picasso and the Wreck of Art, read that book. But by this time, who knows what art is? It's like Jackson Pollock.

Time magazine calls him Jack the Dripper. He drips on the thing. Nelson Rockefeller buys it, puts it up on a wall of the Chase Manhattan Bank, and therefore it's art. So now nobody knows what it is, and you come to this obscenity trial in Cincinnati, and the guy says, the guy's on the stand, he said, well, they said it was art. I don't know. I guess it's art. And they acquitted him.

This is how they got, this is how they moved, step by step by step to the point where you're now on Twitter and you're doing some type of search and suddenly, whoa, I didn't ask for that. Really, Elan, really do us a favor. You can do it. You can do this. This is not free speech. It's the end of free speech.

It is funny that you bring up art because the more that I do research into, well, what went wrong in America, and it kind of brought me to learning a bit about Aleister Crowley and his movement. And I wanna be clear, everything that we're talking about, it was the elites that brought all of this. I think people had this idea that it was like a poor people or a fringe group. It was always the elites who were involved

in bringing pornography, people who had incredible wealth and access. And Aleister Crowley is a great example of that because he is a person who was labeled as the wickedest man in the world, but he was friends with all of the elites. All of the elites, Mussolini famously kicked him out because he was having this sexual ritual party. And that guy that I was telling you about

who wrote the book, Hollywood Babylon, and spoke about the beginning of, the origins of Hollywood and how it was kind of always demonic and how it was a lot of Crowley's protegees who were involved in that. He speaks about that house that Mussolini eventually kicked Alastair Crowley

and his people out. And in an interview, he speaks about how art, modern art was all a part of this house and who visited this house. Alfred Kinsey as an example, one of the, all the psychologists, all of these people that we know introduced these perverse ideas via psychology were a part of this nest, if you will,

like in believing in sexual rituals and sexual freedom. Aleister Crowley, he was the precursor to the hippie movement. Like it was a bunch of leads getting together. He's on the cover of the Beatles' Sergeant Pepper album. He's one of the figures on the cover there. That album cover, okay. Tons of conspiracies.

I'm Catholic now, I don't believe conspiracies. I believe in providence. And people should examine that because I am now fully convinced after having read Chaos that the Beatles were like a CIA psychological operation. And I think towards the end, maybe they started speaking about that because you know, when John Lennon, when John was it John Lennon who got shot? Sorry, I know I sound really young.

It was John Lennon who got shot. Yeah, in 1981. The CIA was there. I don't know if you know about that. The CIA. Yes, the CIA was there when he got shot and the story never actually made sense, the catcher and the rye whole bit.

But what's fascinating about that is on that cover, I think they're telling you a lot. I think if you really look at the list, I talked about that on my podcast, of that album, and you realize what was happening in the 60s full stop. I mean, they were dealing with mass, trying to keep mass psychoses. I think that they were brought in in 1964

to distract everyone from the Kennedy assassination. I think that was the, especially our, my generation. Yeah, well, they created fake celebrities. There's no question about that, that there were government, like some of these celebrities work for the government. I think actors too, like there are some actors that to me, like Sean Penn, I'm just like, why is there every time, like, or Bono,

every time there's anything going on, like suddenly like Bono's performing over here and Sean Penn's doing a movie on it and obviously Pentagon makes films. So it's a psychological Hollywood in and of itself is a government psychological operation. We're trained to believe history happened this way. If they make a cinematic masterpiece about Pearl Harbor,

then you have no questions about the narrative. If they make a cinematic masterpiece. They created the narrative. They created the Holocaust. But it's all mass psychosis. Hollywood was created. Billy Wilder was there filming the, it wasn't CIA, it didn't exist anymore,

but the psychological warfare operation that was under General McClure, under Eisenhower, had C.D. Jackson show up at Buchenwald and create this spectacle of the people were brought in from Weimar, and he held up a—there was a lampshade, supposedly made out of Jewish skin. There was a pelvis, it was supposed to be an ashtray, and two shrunken heads. What's this got to do with Germany at all? Germans do not shrink heads, I guarantee you. They were taken from a museum from Amazon tribes

that do shrink heads. The man who filmed this was Billy Wilder. Billy Wilder went on to be famous as the director of Marilyn Monroe and Some Like It Hot and One, Two, Three, and a lot of things. That's where it got started. That's where the narrative got started. Hollywood was a crucial part in the creation of this narrative.

It still is a crucial part in the creation of every narrative. I think you're right. But that's why I show people, do you think it's normal that Hollywood, like at the Pentagon, they have an office dedicated to film, Hollywood films, and they go in and sit with the directors and tell them how to make things as they're telling you stories.

Like the CIA was involved in the film Zero Dark Thirty. So do you really trust the CIA to tell you exactly what happened, what they captured or saw what happened? I don't know, maybe you do. And I went through this list of showing them all the films that the CIA funded and helped produce and told them how to shoot it,

and they have their guys go down there on Hollywood sets. Shouldn't that indicate to you just naturally, like, hey, maybe we're not getting the full picture, and they're making a beautiful movie so that we have this emotional reaction and attachment to believing that this is how it happened. And it's not history. It's a narrowly tailored version of history

that is supposed to make you connect with the narrative, like whether, and it's always like these big stories they pick, the Titanic even. Oh, this beautiful love story and Rose is on the boat and she's dying and then you don't really ask any questions. Like this just must be exactly how it went down. And so it is interesting to revisit Hollywood through the lens of understanding that it is interesting to revisit Hollywood

through the lens of understanding that it is and forever has been a way to implement a mass psychosis because now they have the technology, they don't have to just put you in a theater and try to convince you from far away like they did in France. Now they have the technology and also the means to then make that a blockbuster film and to give it awards, the Academy Awards and Oscars,

so that you're drawn to go want to see the film that's winning all of these awards and is nominated for all of these statues. I think that's part of the reason that Catholics lost their nerve, because Hollywood had become the propaganda ministry, literally, during World War II. These are propaganda. Edward Bernays.

Death, that was earlier too. But I mean, I'm saying, and so you're now sort of, we still have communism, it's still 1960s, you still have communism, you have the anti-communist crusade and so on and so forth, and so, is it un-American then to oppose Hollywood? We're dealing also with the fact that Hollywood creates role models for the rest of us, and they create the ideal black,

and they create the ideal Catholic, and they create the ideal so on and so forth. And we as a result suffer from identity theft. So we don't know who we are anymore. Yeah, our behavior is being socially engineered from Hollywood. And again, that book Hollywood Babylon made me realize that when it started speaking about how they perfectly engineered,

they intentionally engineered women to stop wearing skirts and start wearing pants. And they brought in this dyke from Germany and they made her a star. I mean, totally fake, just turned her into a star, red carpets, and everyone was reading about her and seeing her and they thought she was so cool. And you see this now when you capture

these various psychoses, like you speak to young girls or see them regarding Taylor Swift or Beyonce. What is this? Well, what's happened is you believe you're an atheist, but you're not an atheist. You have many gods, you're a pagan, and there are these Hollywood stars that you worship like they're idols,

and you'll sacrifice anything. Like there was an article which described how adult women were going to the Taylor Swift concert, wearing diapers, because they didn't want to miss a single second of her three hour concert, so they decided to just go in their diapers if they needed to. What is that?

Infantilization? And it's completely demonic, and this is not me trying to attack Taylor Swift, but just people not realizing you've been possessed, right? You are now worshiping this person and Hollywood creates the idols so they can introduce anything. Now you can see they're pushing hardcore

for the trans stuff. And now everybody to be a star is like non-binary and gender bending. And it's something that people need to wake up to that Hollywood in and of itself is demonic and it always has been. There wasn't like a decade where it was moral and that the people that were the actors were good people. But it was possible to keep them under control for 32 years and we have to keep that in mind too. Hegel said the

the eula from manna of fleek mice by Demelon, the owl of Minerva usually flies at twilight. He's talking about twilight of the empire, twilight of the age. I think that's what we're living in right now. The owl of wisdom, because at the twilight things start to break down. All of the narratives that we were raised with are starting to collapse, and there's this vacuum now. And I think that's the service that we can provide. We can say, no, no, there is a real order to the universe.

It's not something that's created by Hollywood. No, God created that order for the universe, and all we have to do is go back to the order he created and start from there. Why do you think it's starting to crack though? Because it is interesting to see this. Like suddenly people are starting to ask questions. People are going, wait, what's really happening?

The mainstream media, nobody trusts them anymore except for a very small group. That's why they're demanding the internet be censored because they're realizing people aren't, are beginning to question their authority. But what do you think is contributing to that? Emmanuel Tote is a French writer. He wrote a book called La Defaite de l'Occident. The Defeat of the West.

And he said basically the American empire is collapsing because Protestantism has evaporated. That's what he said. Protestantism is the hidden grammar of America. If Samuel Huntington wrote a book called Who Are We? and he said we, if you mean Americans, we are Anglo-Protestants. He's talking about the Puritans, obviously. There were French in Canada, there were Spaniards in Mexico, but this Puritan group conquered every other group in America, including the southerner states in the Civil War, and they were Puritans.

And so that's great. I think he's right. I think the Protestantism is evaporating. It had a 500-year run, but now it's running out of steam. But the problem is he doesn't understand Protestantism. So yeah, Protestantism was the hidden grammar of America, but what's the hidden grammar of Protestantism? It's Satanism. No, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, you can't say that. Well, why am I saying that? I'm talking about the Puritans

Who was the who was the great Puritan poet? It was John Milton. What is this great epic called? It's called Paradise Lost Who's the hero of Paradise Lost? It's Satan Every romantic poet knew this the people all, all. He glamorized Satan. It's one of the greatest pieces of literature in the English language when Satan wakes up in hell and he's been defeated by the God and the good angels.

And he looks around here and he says, we're gonna regroup. I got a plan. And he ends this speech by saying, awake, arise, or be forever fallen. He's addressing those demons there. And what does he say? He says, the mind is its own place. We don't need him to tell us what to do. It's better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven. Well, there's a strain of America that feels that way. There's a strain of America,

and we have to face up to that fact, and we have to face up to the fact that this has had its day. Those people have had their day, and it's collapsing, and there's a vacuum. And whenever there's a vacuum, people go crazy, because they don't know how to act. So I have a huge following of Protestants,

how can you not if you're in America? And when they hear that, when they hear you say, Protestantism is a form of Satanism or is Satanism, I want you to explain why it is that you're saying that, because that's hugely controversial. What was the Reformation? There's regular cold, and then there's the mountains are blue cold, mountain cold refreshment, the Reformation. No Frills with PC Express. Shop online and get $15 in PC Optimum Points on your first

five orders. Shop now at NoFrails.ca. Well, there was a big crisis in Freud studies because Freud basically covered his tracks. He didn't want anyone to know where he got the ideas. So if you talk, he got ideas from Nietzsche, the whole idea of the Oedipus complex, the whole idea of incest as the way to become a god comes from Nietzsche. It's in the Birth of Tragedy, that powerful passage at the end of the Birth of Tragedy. But I think that the crucial start for Freud was the Illuminati manuscripts. Now there was an Illuminati. It did exist as a secret society in Bavaria

during the late 18th century. And the documents were found and they were published by the King of Bavaria as a way of preventing this from happening. It was a man by the name of Adam Weishaupt, and Adam Weishaupt was a teacher at the University of Eichstätt. And it was a Jesuit university, and he was aware of the Jesuit examination of conscience.

So before you go to confession, you examine your conscience, and then you come up with the sins, and then you confess the sins, and then the priest says, go and sin no more. Well, this got weaponized. The same thing I said about Freud and Augustine, it got turned upside down. So that now he comes up with this idea

called Seelenanalyse, which is the German word for examination of the soul. And he turns it into psychoanalysis. But Freud turned it into psychoanalysis. But basically what he's saying is, you can take these, get the person to confess his sins to you, and then you can control them through his sins. So you can say, well, you can do it again

as long as you keep me in the loop, and we'll take care of that. And that's how the Illuminati got control of these people. This is exactly what Freud did, exactly what Freud did, and he did exactly what his goy, his Gentile heir apparent, Jung, C.G. Jung was supposed to do. Well, that's interesting.

So I actually haven't learned too much about Carl Jung, and I think he's still respected by a lot of people. So just illuminate me, like let me know more about him. Because they then had a fractured relationship toward the end. Yeah, and they go into this and there's supposed to be this scene where suddenly there's crackling in the bookshelf

or something like that. And it basically came down to, Freud was an atheist, but Jung believed in some type of God, I don't know what it is, but some type of spiritual force. His mother was a medium, she was involved in the whole occult tradition, so he brought that into it. But basically, what we're talking about here is how do you control people? And we're gonna talk about specific instances here,

rich Americans, they got a lot of money. We're talking about the 1920s, the currency here is crap. They got a rather real money. And so, Freud and Jung became involved in competition for who's going to get the rich Americans. And I think Freud, I'm sorry, Jung won the battle because he got involved with Maedle McCormick, the heir to the International Harvester Foundation and his sister, Edith Rockefeller, sister-in-law Edith Rockefeller McCormick. And they were both troubled. Now, people are going to be troubled. If you cut yourself off from sacramental confession, you cannot get your sins forgiven. This is the whole story of America, but we could talk about it another time. You go crazy And so you need some type of release because the guilt becomes intolerable. And so you go to confession.

Well, now you can do the exact opposite. So Maynard McCormick comes to Jung and he says, well, I've been sleeping with all these actresses. And Jung says, okay, you can keep doing it as long as you come and pay me these big fees. And then even if you don't pay me these big fees, I'm going to do it. And so he says, okay, you can keep doing it as long as you come and pay me these big fees. And then Edith Rockefeller McCormick gives

him a lot of money. He builds his foundation and Freud is furious because he's taking over his operation. Freud is involved in the same thing. Freud wrote to, Fleece invited him to Berlin and Freud said I I'd love to come, but I'm afraid my patience will get well in my absence. He had one day, it's like, he had a picture of a lion in the subtitle. It's already noon and no Negroes. In other words, I haven't eaten anyone yet. So he's preying on his own people. This came out long after the fact, long after the whole Freud thing. The Johns Hopkins University published the correspondence

between an American psychoanalyst named Taurus Frink and Freud. Frink was a doctor. Frink wanted to become a psychoanalyst. In order to become a psychoanalyst, you have to go to Vienna, you have to lie down on the couch, and you have to tell Freud your history. Well, we're back to the Illuminati here. And he says, well, I'm having an affair with one of my rich patients. So instead of Freud saying, this is unethical,

you can't sleep with your patients, he says, divorce your wife, marry this rich woman, and then give me a significant contribution. And he says, well, I'm having an affair with one of my patients. And he says, well, I'm having an affair with one of my patients. And he says, well, I'm having an can't sleep with your patients. He says, divorce your wife, marry this rich woman, and then give me a significant contribution. That's the whole Freudian thing in a nutshell. Okay? All of this mumbo jumbo is to control people for your benefit, which is exactly what I said about libido dominandi.

So it's almost a perfect inversion of the church because it's a church of Satan. And so it's basically where you have priests and said you have these satanic priests and they keep telling you to keep giving into your lust, keep giving into your lust. And this is why, by the way, I am totally, I think psychotherapy, psychoanalysis, and you can trace everything back

that's happening in society to essentially that's what happens today. How do we get to this transgender problem? We have a bunch of kids going to therapy and they're not making them better. They're telling them that every feeling you have is valid. Every libido instinct that you have is valid. If you think this and it's right, go be you.

Go be your best self. Again, that city of man that's being created. Like worship yourself and every instinct that you have. Do not temper your desires, lean into them. And people don't understand what we read earlier, which is that eventually you become weaker and weaker and you become a slave to your desires because you have absolutely no control.

And you have essentially dominated the logos and you're just sort of living in this fear that is fully driven by desire. Right. I think that that's that's the whole point. You anyone who tells you to give in to your passions is talking to turning you into a slave. And so what you have over this period of time is the development of technologies of control that will culminate in social engineering, it will culminate in the mainstreaming of pornography.

I'm reluctant to quote this. I saw it on the internet just briefly, but there's two groups, two brothers, the Krastenstein brothers, and one of them just spilled the beans. He said, we need to have the goyim watching pornography because otherwise they will put us in concentration camps. That may not be an exact quote,. They will attack us, they will beat us up, something like that. And so we have to enslave them to distract them by getting them watching pornography enslaved to their passion. That's exactly what the Israelis attempted to do in Gaza. I'm sorry, in Ramallah. That's exactly what they tried to do. So the technology is

out. It's as if these people were spilling the beans about private conversations. There are people who know these things. There are people who have been putting these things into practice, but they're not going to tell you because if they tell you, well, I'm doing this to control you, it doesn't work. It only works if you don't know. So I just randomly, I pull up at the supermarket, I'm locking my bicycle and some guy says to me, you're E. Michael Jones, aren't you? I said, yeah. He said, I stopped watching porn because of you. Now, I never talked to this guy, but sometimes all you have to say is sexual liberation is

a form of control. And suddenly the people, I didn't have to explain this to the generation in 2019, to the generation that had grown up with their cell phones as access to pornography. They understood that they were slaves. They came up with this thing called NoFap November. People were not going to watch pornography, were not going to masturbate. And lo and behold, Rolling Stone attacks these people and calls them anti-Semites. Well, wait a minute, you just let the cat out of the bag here. Are you saying the Jews control porn?

Well, yeah, of course you are. And of course they do. They have from the beginning. There's a guy, professor of the University of Pennsylvania, wrote a book called Bookleggers and Smuthounds, scholarly book. He said Jews control pornography from the beginning.

That is the one way they weaken the dominant culture and that allows them to take control. Well, I don't think that they deny that, by the way. There's tons of footage on the internet of pornography directors discussing that and saying we control the pornography industry. Now not many of them give a reason as to why that is, but I definitely don't think that that's something that can be disputed. And yet I-

There's a rabbi owns Pornhub. Or started Pornhub. Now they say, oh, well, that's fact check that because then he sold it to a private equity firm and that's kind of now he doesn't own it. But yeah, it begs the question, what are the requirements to be a rabbi? Because everyone that I've come across

has been a bit wacky, to be honest with you. Right, I know. You've had your own experience with rabbis recently. Yes. So what does this say about a rabbi? What does this say about his religion if he's promoting something that everyone recognizes as evil and debilitating?

What does that say? We're just drawing the implications now, I think. Because there are implications from these statements. It's like the Jews announcing that abortion is a fundamental Jewish value. That was the quintessential requirement for sexual liberation to be able to have an abortion. So you didn't have to face up to the consequences

of that sexual intercourse that you had. And now suddenly it's being portrayed as a fundamental value by Jews. We have to understand this and draw the implications. Well, what's interesting though is when you think about a rabbi starting a porn hub and then maybe selling it, it does bring into question what is your faith? Like what do you actually believe

that you can become a rabbi? Because it's unimaginable that there would be a Catholic priest that would be allowed to start Pornhub and maintain the title of a Catholic priest. And this gets into kind of realizing that there are, which people I don't think recognize, a lot of different sects when it comes to Judaism,

but your theory is that all of it is sort of, I don't wanna put words in your mouth here because there was a specific word that you used, but not contrary to Christianity, but it agitates Christianity no matter what. Like these two philosophies are incompatible, no matter what. Well, it's another book I wrote, the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, which followed up after

this book, you know, it's about 10 years after I wrote that book. But I had, if I saw it, I'm thinking, if I'm going to talk about this, I have to get back to the, what's the basic issue? And the basic issue is not racial. It's theological. And the theological issue came to a head when Jesus Christ arrived on this earth. And he's the Messiah. And the Jews have to make a decision. Do we accept this man on his terms as the Messiah? Or do we want someone better? And if you go to the Gospel of St. John, there's a big dispute between Jesus Christ and the Jews. They play the race card. They say, we are the seed of Abraham. You can't push us around. Jesus Christ said, God doesn't need your DNA, didn't quite

say it that way, but he could raise up rocks. The crucial issue is, who is Jesus Christ? He's the Logos incarnate. What is your position with the Logos incarnate? Do you accept them or do you reject them? I'm saying that the Jews who accepted them became the Catholic Church, the Christians, and the Jews who rejected them have been in rebellion against Logos ever since. Logos means the order of the universe that God created. And if you're in rebellion against that, you're a revolutionary. Well, they're revolutionaries, they are.

And that's why I call the book The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. And you have something like the Bolshevik Revolution, that was a Jewish operation. It wasn't saying every Bolshevik was a Jew or every Jew was a Bolshevik, but it was a Jewish operation. And the thing that got me started on that book was the neo-conservative press to get us involved

in the war in Iraq. How did this happen? How did such a small group of people get control of the entire foreign policy to the point where we invaded a country that didn't have anything, wasn't doing anything against it? Yeah, well, yeah, the neoocon movement is just not conservative whatsoever, and I think people are starting to come to terms with that.

And it is interesting because I could not verify this fact. I can't find a picture, but I thought it was really interesting. The neocons love William F. Buckley. Like, that's like, this is what it means to be a neocon. We think William F. Buckley has the greatest ideas, and I love that Tucker Carlson said, I think he's actually one of the great villains of the 20th century. what it means to be a neocon. We think William F. Buckley has the greatest ideas. And I love that Tucker Carlson said, I think he's actually one of the great villains

of the 20th century. But I then, when I was researching that guy Al Goldstein, this pornographer, I realized that he started Screw Magazine with somebody named James Buckley. And I don't know who James Buckley is. I can't find a picture, I can't find a photo. I don't think they're related. I don't think they're related.

There is in the same family, there's of course, they could not be related, I don't know, but I can't find a picture, I can't find a photo. I don't think they're related. I don't think they're related. There is in the same family, of course they could not be related, I don't know, but I can't find anything on this person and I'm just like wondering what's going on. Who's James Buckley who started, who was involved in the pornography industry? I don't think he had anything to do with William F. Buckley,

but William F. Buckley was a man who created conservatism. He created conservatism and this is inatism, and this is in 1953. I know the guy, he wrote a book called God and Man at Yale. Henry Regnery was the publisher. I was a friend of Henry Regnery before he died. He also published Russell Kirk's book, The Conservative Mind, in the same year. Some people claimed that Buckley did it with CIA money.

I asked Joe Sobran that when he was alive. It's debatable. Buckley did it with CIA money. I asked Joe Sober in that when he was alive. It's debatable, Buckley was in the CIA. But anyway, what were they created was a new form of conservatism to distance everyone from America first, which I think was the real form of conservatism. Of course it was. Henry Regnery's father was the treasurer for America first.

And on December 8th, 1941, the CIA showed, the FBI showed up and took his mailing list and that killed America First. Okay, so something new came in and this thing, new thing is, America First was isolationist. Now we got this, we're backing the anti-communist crusade and then Buckley went on to become the spokesman for conservatism, But the tragedy is that

they yanked his chain. When Joe Sobran started writing articles critical of Israel, they yanked Buckley's chain. He wrote an article denouncing Pat Buchanan, who was the big representative of America First at this point, and Joe Sobran. Joe Sobran idolized Bill Buckley, and he stabbed him in the back because the Jews yanked his chain. It's that simple. And so he just went along, and now it just became irrelevant. It became irrelevant.

The ultimate irrelevancy was when this group of people at National Review Announced that Donald Trump is not a real conservative and that he wins becomes president. So now what do you do? Now what do you do? These guys are completely irrelevant Robbie George just who was one of the people who I think he's the guy who masterminded that manifesto just announced that No Catholic can be an anti-Semite. Catholics should not be anti-Semites. Didn't define the term. Okay, what do you mean by this? I mean, you were attacked. I had to jump in at this point because they're Catholic. I

mean, you're basically, partly the water of baptism is still moist on your forehead, and these people want to excommunicate you because they come up with this idea that you're an anti-Semite, what does that mean? We have to define this term. We can't let ourselves be bullied anymore by this term. It's just, we're past that. Yeah, I think all across the board, people are tired of it.

I said it was sort of like when BLN, everybody was a racist and now we're kind of getting into, and then people got tired of calling everybody a racist, and nobody cared anymore. And I think we're finally arriving at that point with anti-Semitism. It's like you're just saying everyone's an anti-Semite, which means that nobody's actually an anti-Semite,

and you're just trying to assert control because you can't actually argue the ideas. That's right. There was a crucial moment in the Catholic Church where the Catholic Church stood up to the Jews in Hollywood, and it was 1933, and it was the Legion of Decency. So the entire country in the 1920s is very upset about the movies that are coming out of Hollywood because it's nudity. We don't know this anymore. I mentioned a book to you where you can find out the pre-code films and they were pushing

homosexuality, they were pushing ridicule of clergy. They're pushing nudity. They're pushing obscenity. And the Protestants who were the dominant group, they got Will Hayes, they tried to stop it, they failed. And then the Catholics stood up to the Jews. They basically called for a boycott of Cardinal Doherty of Philadelphia,

called for a boycott of Warner Brothers theaters in Philadelphia. And Joe Breen, who was the man in Hollywood negotiating this, said, Harry Warner is crying tears as big as horse turds because he's losing $100,000 a week in Philadelphia. Now that threatened to go to New York, to Chicago, to Cleveland, to every big city in the Northeast that had a big Catholic population and that was going to be the end of Hollywood. And so Hollywood backed down the Institute of the Production Code. Now that was successful for 32 years. For 32 years you didn't have it. Maybe the golden age of Hollywood. Hollywood's not doing well

now, you know, with woke superhero movies. They're not doing well, okay? They don't know how to deal with this. So it kept Hollywood in line, but they didn't like this. They were always, and finally they saw their moment. The moment was the Second Vatican Council. There seems to be this type of new movement approach to the Jews, it's in Nostra Aetate.

And they released a Holocaust film called The Pawn Broker. And in The Pawn Broker, it's basically, there's a black prostitute who walks into the pawn shop and she opens her shirt, bare-breast on the screen, breaks the code. So Monsignor, I saw the correspondence between Monsignor Little, who was head of Legion of Decency, and Eli Landau, who was the producer. And he said, shoot it from behind. Have the black prostitute with her back toward the camera and then put Rod Steiger's face in the frame.

And that way you'll get some acting. It's a much more, no, they didn't want to do it. They didn't want drama. They wanted bare breasts on the screen because that's how they're gonna make more money and they also were using the Holocaust as the hammer that was going to intimidate the Catholics and the Catholics ran up the white flag. They had a failure of nerve and within,

so Landau says to Monsignor Little, this will be a great era of cinematic art. Within seven years, we had Deep Throat, first-run theaters, Devil and Miss Jones. We had hardcore pornography on the big screen because that's what they wanted. And it's only gotten worse since that time. As soon as you get the computer,

pornography is always driven by technology. As soon as you get the computers, you have VHS, pornography drove VHS sales. Then you have the internet, and then you have the Communications Decency Act. Hollywood comes up with two propaganda films, People versus Larry Frint and Boogie Nights. And they exempt, they allow pornography on the internet.

Fateful decision, now you got all these young people who grew up with easy access to pornography. It's a crisis now because they cannot relate to members of the opposite sex because sin isolates you. This type of sin isolates you. They cannot form families. There's a huge crisis right now. And they're only now waking up.

It was only 2019 when people started saying, well, maybe it is slavery. Maybe Jones was right when he wrote that book. There is something happening right now, and it's been amazing to see. I've been speaking about pornography and men have been reacting, and they say in the comments section,

thank you so much for talking about this. Like, I struggle with this all the time. And to hear someone speak about this struggle, it gives me faith to know that you're not alone. Thank you so much for talking about this. Like I struggle with this all the time. And to hear someone speak about this struggle, it gives me faith to know that you're not alone. Like, and I tell them, don't be ashamed because you were targeted, right? You grew up with a phone.

They also took over obviously the classrooms. It's like Soviet propaganda. And I distinctly remember learning in my health class that watching pornography was healthy. That you should watch pornography, that it is actually healthy to watch pornography because it lets you learn about sex. Sort of this book that Thomas Sowell writes

to explain how they intentionally, and they did use Soviet tactics, tried to put a wedge between children and their parents. Like your parents are old fashioned, they don't think this is okay. And within one decade, you had kids that the majority of them were graduating high school with virginity intact, complete reversal within one decade, you had kids that the majority of them were graduating high school with virginity intact, complete reversal within 10 years,

because they then put all these incentives for health and sexual learning, or just teaching you these things because your parents won't do that for you. And so it's incredible to reflect on that and realize that I had this perspective growing up that people, like of course if you date a guy, it's totally fine if he watches pornography. That's actually gonna keep your relationship healthy.

This wasn't my idea, this is what I was taught. So you're passing the class and you're getting that feedback. Like you know things correctly, you're gonna grow up and you're gonna have a healthy relationship if you allow your boyfriends to watch pornography and this is what it looks like. And now I look back on that and I'm now team homeschool your kids because this is your children's spirits

are intentionally being captured in a classroom and they're introducing these satanic forces. And it is very hard, especially for boys, because they're biologically wired differently from women. You get them addicted to pornography when they're young telling them it's good. The odds are stacked against them when they get older. And if it becomes an addiction for them,

and for many of them it has become an addiction because like I said, pornography is everywhere. My husband doesn't even have social media because he says, I don't think you realize, even if you're reading the Daily Mail, you're seeing soft core pornography. And the way that women dress, what they're putting on the cover,

what they're putting everywhere is, we've just okayed soft core pornography, and the way that women dress, what they're putting on the cover, what they're putting everywhere, is we've just okayed soft core pornography in society. It's worse than that because of acts and Twitter. It's full of pornography. Elon Musk, God bless Elon Musk, he restored me. I got banned from Twitter, he restored me. You're allowed to say things now on there, but really you're not doing yourself any favors or us any favors by allowing all this pornography. You can do like...

Why do you think he allows that? That's very interesting to me. I think he's made a deal with the Jews. I think he went to Auschwitz. You go there to offer up incense to idols. And I think he's instituted what the ADL says, which is basically freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.

And I think that part of the deal, it's not explicit, but I think part of the deal is to allow pornography, because pornography, as we've established here, is a form of control, and the Jews insist on it. They insist on having that allowed, because they're afraid that if people stop watching pornography, they're all gonna be put in concentration camps.

This is the type of rhetoric. This was in that thing I squatted you. I'm gonna find that article. It said Rolling Stone. Rolling Stone, yeah, it's easy to find, okay? You also had a crucial turning point in the so-called women's movement. So you had Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin saying, pornography victimizes women.

Well, duh. Oh, Wendy, that's great. You figured that out. You had Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin saying, pornography victimizes women. Well, duh, that's great, you figured that out. So what happened at that point? It was gaining traction in the feminism, guess who stopped it? Betty Friedan, her maiden name is Betty Goldstein, and then she came and defended pornography. So this is blood is thicker than water.

This is the Jewish principle here of pornography. We need this to control the goyim. And she's the one who did it and spread division in the feminist movement at a time when you were getting allies. You could have had allies between the right and the left here against pornography, and she disrupted that. Yeah, it's very interesting to see that,

even on the conservative side and people that you would say left here against pornography and she disrupted it. Yeah, it's very interesting to see that, even on the conservative side, and people that you would say describe themselves as ultra conservative will still defend pornography. I think Dennis Breger defends pornography. Yeah, Ben Shapiro defends pornography. I remember sitting across from him at a backstage event and me and the Catholics, I was not a Catholic at the time,

but me and Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh were all saying no to pornography, like not even a couple of times, and then Ben was kind of giving this soft defense and saying, well, you know, Jewish people, it's down to the law, and we wouldn't say, I wanna get the exact argument of why Jewish people don't find it to be problematic.

I think he said that it was because it's the thing, not the thought, that's the sin. And so since they are not cheating on their wives, which I don't see how that's not cheating on your wife, watching pornography is not considered a violation. It's not considered a sin was how he summed it up. And then Matt sort of countered and said, okay, so you would be okay with your wife

going to a hotel and watching two people have sex. As long as she doesn't get involved, like that's not a sin. And it was a great rebuttal. And I was very confused. I'm like, this is such an easy thing. Like obviously pornography, and that was Dennis Prager's defense as well.

He went on Matt Fradd's podcast, a Catholic podcast, was like, the thought is not the thing. And I'm going, don't we all know that thoughts come before the thing? Like, I don't know. Like, you have to think it before you do it. That's exactly what I was gonna say.

You have to think it before you do it. And it's in your mind, and if the progression is a mortal sin is grievous matter, full consent of the will. Well, it's gotta be in your mind before you can consent to it. And so the church would call it a near occasion of sin, which means you're putting yourself in danger by doing this. And so you should avoid the near occasions of sin.

Now, now we've got this complicated situation. So am I in a near occasion of sin because I'm on Twitter? I mean, what are we doing here? It's frustrating. I'm like, I'm looking up something and then suddenly I'm on Twitter? I mean, what are we doing here? It's frustrating. I'm like, I'm looking up something, and then suddenly I'm looking at porn, like it just pops up, and it's very, very frustrating because it's just, it's wrong.

I should not have to be exposed to pornography. We should not be exposed to this. Because I'm looking up a hashtag that has nothing to do with pornography. Yeah, so we should, I hope Elon Musk is listening here because we should not be exposed to this, and you're undermining your position on free speech if you're allowing pornography,

because pornography is the extinction of thought. That's the whole point of it. So you will hear people who are conservatives who actually say, well, what are you talking about? It's protected by the 1A, and that fascinates me, because it really lets you know that they don't know history. They don't know how that became a thing. They don't know who Samuel Roth is,

and how, for whatever reason, they've been polluted to believe that pornography is speech. It's so obviously not speech. It's obscenity. It was never considered speech. It was obscenity. Never considered speech. It was always excluded.

When did it become speech? Over the course of the 1950s and 1960s, where you had these Supreme Court decisions, where the Supreme Court is trying to figure out what is it. And you had people like Norman Mailer. It was a Jewish op- pornography is always a Jewish operation. Yeah, the big one was rock. And you'd find someone who would say, well, it's-

the crucial thing was it's art. well, the crucial thing was, it's art. This is the crucial thing that happened with Mapplethorpe in Cincinnati. You remember Mapplethorpe, the photographer? Catholic boy who was completely corrupted by the homosexual culture. He is the man who valorized homosexuality. I mean, when I was a kid, there were, you know, people, if you're hitchhiking, some queer would pick you up and they were creepy

People and everybody knew they were creepy people But he comes along and he's got this photography of what he was doing in these places like the mine shaft Do you know what I mean? And everybody is shocked but it gave them kind of some type of heroic stature So anyway, the government, the NCA sponsors the National Endowment for Arts, it sponsors this Mapplethorpe exhibit and it's immediately called obscene. Then they go to Cincinnati.

Cincinnati is a Catholic town. It's always been a Catholic town. It's been one of the bulwarks against abortion, for example. And they put the guy on trial, and the Jews fund it, and so it comes down to, it's art. Well, by this point, the Jews had totally destroyed art. I'm getting ahead of myself. It's in the Dangers of Beauty.

If you wanna talk about Conviler and Picasso and the wreck of art, read that book, okay? But by this time, who knows what art is? It's like Jackson Pollock, Time magazine, called him Jack the dripper. He drips on the thing. Nelson Rockefeller buys it, puts it up on a wall of the Chase Manhattan Bank, and therefore it's art. So now nobody knows what it is.

And you come to this obscenity trial in Cincinnati, and the says, the guys on the stand, he said, well, they said it was art. I don't know. I guess it's art. And they acquitted him. This is how they got, this is how they moved step by step by step to the point where you're now on Twitter and you're doing some type of search and suddenly, whoa, I didn't ask for that. Really, Elan, really do us a favor. You can do it. You can do this. This is not free speech. It's the end of free speech.

It is funny that you bring up art because the more that I do research into, well, what went wrong in America, and it kind of brought me to learning a bit about Aleister Crowley and his movement. And I wanna be clear, everything that we're talking about, it was the elites that brought all of this.

I think people had this idea that it was like a poor people or a fringe group. It was always the elites who were involved in bringing pornography, people who had incredible wealth and access. And Aleister Crowley is a great example of that because he is a person who was labeled as the wickedest man in the world,

but he was friends with all of the elites. All of the elites. Mussolini famously kicked him out because he was having this sexual ritual party. And that guy that I was telling you about who wrote the book Hollywood Babylon and spoke about the beginning of, the origins of Hollywood and how it was kind of always demonic

and how it was a lot of Crowley's protegees who were involved in that. He speaks about that house that Mussolini eventually kicked Alastair Crowley and his people out. And in an interview, he speaks about how art, modern art, was all a part of this house and who visited this house.

Alfred Kinsey, as an example, one of the, all the psychologists, all of these people that we know introduced these perverse ideas via psychology were a part of this nest, if you will, like in believing in sexual rituals and sexual freedom. Alastair Crowley, he was the precursor to the hippie movement. Like it was a bunch of beliefs getting together.

He's on the cover of the Beagle's Sergeant Pepper album. He's one of the figures on the cover there. That album cover, okay. Tons of conspiracies. I'm Catholic, okay. Tons of conspiracies. I'm Catholic now, I don't believe conspiracies, I believe in providence. And people should examine that because I am now fully convinced

after having read Chaos that the Beatles were like a CIA psychological operation. And I think towards the end, maybe they started speaking about that because you know, when John Lennon, was it John Lennon who got shot? Sorry, I know I sound really young. It was John Lennon who got shot. Yeah, in 1981.

The CIA was there. I don't know if you know about that. Didn't know that. Yes, the CIA was there when he got shot and the story never actually made sense, the catcher and the rye whole bit. But what's fascinating about that is on that cover, I think they're telling you a lot.

I think if you really look at the list, I talked about that is on that cover, I think they're telling you a lot. I think if you really look at the list, I talked about that on my podcast, of that album, and you realize what was happening in the 60s full stop. I mean, they were dealing with mass, trying to keep mass psychoses. I think that they were brought in in 1964 to distract everyone from the Kennedy assassination.

I think that was the, especially our, my generation. Yeah, well they created fake celebrities. There's no question about that, that there were government, like some of these celebrities work for the government. I think actors too, like there are some actors that to me, like Sean Penn, I'm just like, why is there every time, like, or Bono, is it Bono? Every time there's anything going on,

like suddenly like Bono's performing over here and Sean Penn's doing a movie on it and obviously Pentagon makes films. So it's a psychological, Hollywood in and of itself is a government psychological operation. We're trained to believe history happened this way. If they make a cinematic masterpiece about Pearl Harbor, then you have no questions about the narrative.

If they make a cinematic masterpiece. They created the narrative. They created the Holocaust narrative. But it's all mass psychosis. Hollywood was created. Billy Wilder was there filming the CIA. It wasn't CIA.

It didn't exist anymore. But the psychological warfare operation that was under General McClure, under Eisenhower, had C.D. Jackson show up at Buchenwald and create this spectacle of the people were brought in from Weimar, and he held up a,

there was a lampshade, supposedly made out of Jewish skin. There was a pelvis, it was supposed to be an ashtray, and two shrunken heads. What's this got to do with Germany at all? Germans do not shrink heads, I guarantee you. They were taken from a museum from Amazon tribes that do shrink heads. The man who filmed this was Billy Wilder.

Billy Wilder went on to be famous as the director of Marilyn Monroe and some like it hot and one, two, three, and a lot of things. That's where it got started. That's where the narrative got started. Hollywood was a crucial part in the creation of this narrative. It still is a crucial part in the creation of every narrative.

And I think you're right. But that's why I show people, do you think it's normal that like Hollywood, like at the Pentagon, they have an office dedicated to film Hollywood films, and they go in and sit with the directors and tell them how to make things as they're telling you stories like the CIA was involved in the film Zero Dark 30. So do you really trust the CIA to tell you exactly what happened, what they captured or saw in the film?

I don't know, maybe you do, and I went through this list of showing them all of the films that the CIA funded and helped produce and told them how to shoot it and they have their guys go down there on Hollywood sets. Shouldn't that indicate to you just naturally, like hey, maybe we're not getting the full picture and they're making a beautiful movie

so that we have this emotional reaction and attachment to believing that this is how it happened. And it's not history. It's a narrowly tailored version of history that is supposed to make you connect with the narrative. Like whether, and it's always like these big stories they pick, the Titanic even. Oh, this beautiful love story and Rose is on the the boat, and she's dying, and then you

don't really ask any questions. Like, this just must be exactly how it went down. And so it is interesting to revisit Hollywood through the lens of understanding that it is and forever has been a way to implement a mass psychosis, because now they have the technology. They don't have to just put you in a theater and try to convince you from far away like they did in France. Now they have the technology and also the means

to then make that a blockbuster film and to give it awards, the Academy Awards and Oscars, so that you're drawn to go want to see the film that's winning all of these awards and is nominated for all of these statues. I think that's part of the reason that Catholics lost their nerve, because Hollywood had become the propaganda ministry, literally, during World War II.

These are propaganda. Edward Bernays. Death, that was earlier too. But I mean, I'm saying, and so you're now sort of, we still have communism, it's still 1960s, you still have communism, you have the anti-communist crusade and so on and so forth. Is it un-American then to oppose Hollywood?

We're dealing also with the fact that Hollywood creates role models for the rest of us and they create the ideal black and they create the ideal Catholic and they create the ideal so on and so forth. And we as a result suffer from identity theft. So we don't know who we are anymore. Our behavior is being socially engineered from Hollywood.

And again, that book Hollywood Babylon made me realize that when it started speaking about how they perfectly engineered, they intentionally engineered women to stop wearing skirts and start wearing pants. And they brought in this dyke from Germany, and they made her a star, I mean, totally fake, just turned her into a star, red carpets, and everyone was wearing a star. They intentionally engineered women to stop wearing skirts and start wearing pants. And they brought in this dyke from Germany and they made her a star. I mean, totally fake.

Just turned her into a star, red carpets. And everyone was reading about her and seeing her. They thought she was so cool. And you see this now when you capture these various psychoses, like you speak to young girls or see them regarding Taylor Swift or Beyonce. What is this? Well, what's happened is you believe you're an atheist,

but you're not an atheist. You have many gods, you're a pagan, and there are these Hollywood stars that you worship like they're idols, and you'll sacrifice anything. Like there was an article which described how adult women were going to the Taylor Swift concert, wearing diapers, because they didn't want to miss

a single second of her three-hour concert, so they decided to just go in their diapers if they needed to. What is that? Infantilization? And it's completely demonic, and this is not me trying to attack Taylor Swift, but just people not realizing you've been possessed, right? You are now worshiping this person and Hollywood creates the idols so they can introduce anything. Now you can see they're pushing hardcore for the trans stuff.

And now everybody to be a star is like non-binary and gender bending. And it's something that people need to wake up to that Hollywood in and of itself is demonic and it always has been. There wasn't like a decade where it was moral and that the people that were the actors were good people. But it was possible to keep them under control for 32 years,

and we have to keep that in mind, too. Hegel said the Eula Feminale flic maes by Demelon, the Owl of Minerva usually flies at twilight. He's talking about twilight of the empire, twilight of the age. I think that's what we're living in right now. The owl of wisdom, because at the twilight, things start to break down. All of the narratives that we were raised with are starting to collapse, and there's

this vacuum now. And I think that's the service that we can provide. We can say, no, no, there is a real order to the universe. It's not something that's created by Hollywood. No, God created that order for the universe. And all we have to do is go back to the order he created and start from there. Why do you think it's starting to crack though?

Because it is interesting to see this. Like suddenly people are starting to ask questions. People are going, wait, what's really happening? The mainstream media, nobody trusts them anymore except for a very small group. That's why they're demanding the internet be censored because they're realizing people are beginning to question their authority.

But what do you think is contributing to that? Emmanuel Tote is a French writer. He wrote a book called La Defeat de l'Occident. La Defeat de l'Occident. The Defeat of the West. And he said basically the American empire is collapsing because Protestantism has evaporated. That's what he said.

Protestantism is the hidden grammar of America. Samuel Huntington wrote a book called Who Are We? And he said, we, if you mean Americans, we are Anglo-Protestants. He's talking about the Puritans. Obviously, there were French in Canada, there were Spaniards in Mexico, but this Puritan group conquered every other group in America, including the southerner states in the Civil War. And they were Puritans. And so that's great. I think he's right. I think the Protestantism is evaporating. It had a 500-year run, okay, but now it's

running out of steam. But the problem is he doesn't understand Protestantism. So yeah, Protestantism was the hidden grammar of America, but what's the hidden grammar of Protestantism? It's Satanism. No, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, you can't say that. Well, why am I saying that? I'm talking about the Puritans. Who was the great Puritan poet? It was John Milton. What is this great epic called? It's called Paradise Lost. Who's the hero of Paradise Lost? It's Satan. Every romantic poet knew this, the people, all. He glamorized Satan. It's one of the greatest pieces of literature in the English language when Satan wakes up in hell and he's been defeated by the God and the good angels

and he looks around here and he says, we're gonna regroup. I got a plan and he ends this speech by saying, awake, arise, or be forever fallen. He's addressing those demons there. And what does he say? He says, the mind is its own place. We don't need him to tell us what to do. It's better to reign in hell than to serve

in heaven. Well, there's a strain of America that feels that way. There's a strain of America and we have to face up to that fact and we have to face up to the fact that this has had its day. Those people have had their day and it's collapsing and there's a vacuum. And whenever there's a vacuum, people go crazy because they don't know how to act. So I have a huge following of Protestants, how can you not if you're in America?

And when they hear that, when they hear you say, Protestantism is a form of Satanism or is Satanism, I want you to explain why it is that you're saying that, because that's hugely controversial. What was the Reformation? It was a looting operation. There was no theological, I'm talking about the English Reformation in particular.

There is no theological justification for the Reformation. It was basically the aristocrats wanted church property. R.H. Twente wrote the book called Religion and the Rise of Capitalism. He said the upstart aristocracy had their teeth in the carcass and they weren't going to be driven off by a sermon. That's church property. That was the basis of the new England. They stole

that property. How did they justify? They're in rebellion against the order, the establishment. For 900 years, the Catholic Church used the wealth of England to provide in part for an establishment of institutions that would take you in if you were sick, if you needed a place to stay. The Benedictine's charism was hospitality. That was all turned on its head overnight by the Protestant Reformation. William Cobbett's the man to read about this,

his history of the Reformation in England and Ireland is absolutely a devastating book in this regard. So at this point you had capitalism, nobody liked it. They had to create the first police force, thought police force, Walsingham under Queen Elizabeth, spying on people. Shakespeare wrote at a time, he knew what was going on, he wrote at a time when if you were caught saying mass, they would take you and hang you until you weren't dead and then they disembowel

you and boil your entrails in oil if you were a Catholic. And then that got ratified in the Glorious Revolution. And it was these are the people, so these people, the English people didn't like it, the other sects didn't like the established church, and you had the Puritan revolution in the 1640s, and it was John Milton who was the secretary to Cromwell, and Cromwell killed the king. That's rageicide. That's satanic. This is the origin of the Puritans. There's no other origin. That's what they were. So what happened? Okay, we're we're Americans What happens when they come here? You got to survive and so the religion got modified gradually Because it got to live through the winter here. We're in the forest of New England. We're moving west It's all this hostile territory and the religion eventually got modified to the point where that's what Americans are.

They're people who modify their religion in light of the frontier. Okay, and that's interesting. So what a Protestant would say is, okay, but you can't ignore the fact that the Catholic Church, that Rome was corrupt, and Martin Luther did this great service by pointing out via his theses,

which he notoriously nailed onto the wall, except maybe there's no evidence they actually did that. But they would say, okay, can you admit that there was corruption in the church? And so he is there for- There's never been a time where there is not corruption in the church. There's corruption in the church right now.

The question is, are you willing to break with the church to deal with the corruption? Great saints have always fought corruption in the church. This is, you're getting the Whig history version of Martin Luther. You get it in school, you get it everywhere. Martin Luther was a Catholic priest, okay? He had trouble controlling his passions. Remember passions

here? He had trouble with drink, had trouble with gluttony, had trouble with sex, and he had trouble with anger. And now he breaks with the church, and as soon as he breaks with the church, the aristocrats come in and they support him because they want the church property. So at a certain point, what's he doing now? He's going in, this is the Protestant party, they're going in, they're going into convents and they're dragging the nuns out. They're dragging the nuns out. He's writing the Archbishop of Mainz saying, you can have the best, prettiest nun of the lot if you join the Reformation Party. What do you

call a man who offers up women to men for sexual services? A pimp. A pimp, that's what it was. And so what does he do? He cannot contain this anymore. He caves in. He marries Catalina from Bora, another nun. They both break their vows to do this. Okay, everybody's talking about this, and he's writing to other priests who have broken their vows and married nuns. And he writes, her nickname was Kata in German,

and he called her Ketta, which is a German word for chain. Sometimes he called her Katena, which is a Latin word for chain. My Katena gre a catena, which is a Latin word for chain. My catena greets your catena. He'd write this ironically to the priest. So he doesn't leave it at that. That's bad enough.

What he did is he made a theological principle out of his own vice, and it was called De Servo Arbitrio of the Enslaved Will. In other words, I had no choice in the matter. God did it. God rules my life completely. And he introduced this idea of sola fide, sola grazia, sola scriptura. They become the pillars of the Reformation. One of them is sola grazia, by grace alone. You're saved by grace alone. The reformers did this. Calvin was the main moving force behind the Puritans in New England. He believed in Sola Grazia. What did they do? You say

you're saved by grace alone, at the same time you cut off everyone from the source of grace, which is the sacraments of the Catholic Church. There's no other source of grace. That's the way Jesus Christ founded that church. And so now you've got Americans in this position. England, they have their own issues, but that's a civilized country that has thousands of years of tradition. They come to America and everybody goes crazy. There are periodic episodes of craziness in America. The Salem witch trials, a mass hysteria, a moral panic. And then you had the Great Awakening in the 1730s. What is going on here? There are people who, they can't get rid of the guilt. They can't get rid of the guilt. I've

done something wrong. I don't know what to do about it. So we have these emotional issues where you're rolling on the ground. The genius who understood this was Nathaniel Hawthorne. And the great book that nailed this was The Scarlet Letter. And the premise of The Scarlet Letter is, you're a minister, now you had to be a saint, a visible saint on earth to be a member of that church, the Puritan Church. And now you've got the minister who has to even be higher,

a higher level, and the minister committed adultery. Now what do you do when you're saved and you've committed adultery? That's Hawthorne's understanding, the genius of Hawthorne, to understand and nail that whole psychological problem in one piece of literature. It had a tremendous effect during the middle

of the 19th century, which is the time when everybody in America basically turned away from Calvinism. And you went in the exact opposite direction to Emerson, the religion of nature. Emerson wrote, Emerson hated Calvinism. Thoreau hated Calvinism, Hawthorne hated Calvinism. Melville hated Calvinism. So Emerson writes an essay called Self-Reliance. Wait a minute, in the middle of Self-Reliance, he's saying the only thing that's important is the integrity of your own mind. He got that from Satan in Milton. The mind is its own place. He's quoting that.

And then someone says, it's in Self-Reliance, famous essay, the man says, well, what if that's from the devil? And Emerson said, well, if it's from the devil, then I am of the devil's party. So he repudiated everything about Calvin except that satanic gist of what it was. I am of the devil's party. You can't tell me what to think. I am of the devil's party. That had an incredibly far-reaching effect on the American psyche. So what do we have? Ain't no one going to tell me what to do. This is the kind of rebellious spirit that got ingrained in America. And I think that's what's reaching its culmination now.

It's interesting, because I guess had never considered the city of God versus the city of man, obviously, before I had begun reading this book. And one of the things that made me pivot away from Protestantism was really just a comment that someone left on my YouTube video where he, after a debate that I was hosting between my husband, Ali Stuckey, said that Protestantism

found a perfect home in America where there is no authority and everything gets to be your truth. My truth, my truth, my truth, which is why there's so many different versions of the Protestant faith. And I realized that if you don't believe in authority, first and foremost, politically, that would make you a leftist, and you become your own God. of the Protestant faith. And I realized that if you don't believe in authority, first and foremost, politically, that would make you a leftist.

And you become your own God, essentially, and you can decide for you what actually works and take what you want and leave what you want. And then it becomes, again, my truth. And so it's interesting, though, to see that, yeah, if there isn't an authority, because that is one of the things that they hate the most is the concept of a pope, a concept of,

it's like, no, anybody can be saved. Any person can just do this by themselves and figure it out themselves on their own journey as long as they abide by the Bible. And it is in that regard, and I think it's called Protestant protest for a reason. It is in that regard, I think, fair to ask the question about whether or not

that does mean this is the city of man, right? This is the city of man where man is not getting rid of themself to subjugate themselves to God, but rather not like finding themselves and trying to figure out what elements of themselves that they wanna keep. And I think as you see the divisions which seem to never end,

I think now, just now there's been a major split and people are saying, well, women can be priests. I think that just happened. One of the mega churches decided to split and say, actually, the Bible says women can be priests. And I just think next thing is gonna be, well, there's nothing in the Bible that prevents there being homosexuals.

And you're seeing that in the Methodist Church, trans flags waving, just a different version of the truth, the truth, the truth, and no official authority on what the truth is. You have the three main mainstream churches, the Anglicans, the Presbyterians, and the Methodists, have three churches in South Bend, Indiana. They were the people that basically,

especially the Methodists, had a huge impact on the West when Indiana was the West. They're all flying gay flags. Wait a minute, this is a bad marketing strategy, if nothing else. Why are they doing it? I think it's probably because the clergy are to a large extent homosexuals, and people don't, they can't, they just can't bring themselves to go to the church anymore. You know, like the old, we were, friend of mine's mother was buried out of the Presbyterian church. There's a gay flag flying out of there.

She didn't believe in that. She was kind of betrayed by her own church. This is what I mean by the evaporation of Protestants. It's evaporating as we speak. And those three, or the three mainstream denominations are an example of what I'm talking about. What do you think is going to happen in America now that we're kind of coming upon this turning point

out of nowhere? People are starting to wake up and starting to realize that the battle is spiritual. Even people that believe themselves to be atheists are now commenting and saying, I'm starting to go to church, I'm starting to read the Bible, I'm starting to recognize that the answers are there.

Where does this end? Because I would just say that the more people awaken, it seems the more the authorities come in because they realize they've got a kind of- Absolutely, you're absolutely right. So it's gonna come down to Catholicism or Satanism. It's that simple. What are the options?

It's the city of God and the city of man. It's love of God to the extinction of self, the city of God and the city of man. It's love of God to the extinction of self, or love of self to the extinction of God. It's all these intermediary things that are going to just pass away, they're all going to evaporate, and you're going to be faced with that choice. And exactly, that's the choice that at that time Hawthorne was faced with. People don't realize that the fundamental axis is east and west in America, and the men of letters all went to Europe. And they all, when they went to Europe, they go to Rome.

When they go to Rome, they go to St. Peter's. I mean, you go to St. Peter's, you're the guy from this little New England village, clapboard, white clapboard churches, and you look at something this magnificent and beautiful, and you're immediately confronted with the thought, if this is beautiful, maybe it's true, because truth and beauty are transcendentals.

And this is exactly what happened to Hawthorne. Hawthorne made money, he wrote a biography of Franklin Pierce. Franklin Pierce made him a consul in Liverpool, he earned money there, took his entire family to Rome. God brought him to Rome, God brought him to St. Peter's, and God brought him to the confessional. This is the man who wrote the book about America unable, the Puritan unable to go to confession. And here he's facing the confessional. And suddenly the door opens and an Italian walks out. I mean, what were

you expecting? And he's upset. You can see he's upset. So he said, it should have angels running the machine. This is in the marble form, the last thing he wrote. He couldn't do it. I'm trying to figure out why would he? I think there was some type of ethnic problem here. Because in order to become a Catholic in the 1840s, basically had to become either Irish or German. He's not Irish or German. What am I going to do? There was some block here,

but what did happen is his daughter, Rose, became a Catholic. And she not only became a Catholic, she became a nun, and then she created a home for people who were dying, indigents who were dying of incurable cancer. So if you had money and you were dying of curable cancer, she wouldn't take you. You had to be indigent, dying of cancer. She did that for her entire life after she converted. And at the end of it, she prayed to God that God would take her in her sleep. And he did. God took her in her sleep. She worked doing that until the day she died. And now she's on her way to being on the canonization.

I'm saying this has always been part of American history and it's always been submerged. And now we can't submerge this anymore because that whole middle point here of these Protestant churches who were essential to the founding and the creation of this culture, they're all disappearing. And the gist of what they were is remaining. It's Satanism. It's rebellion. I'm not trying to say this to offend anyone. I'm just trying to say

historically, if you go back to John Milton, he's the poet of the Puritans. And the hero of that poem is Satan. And there's this rebellious spirit that has been part of American life ever since the Puritans got here. So what would you recommend to the very many men and some women as well, many women as well, who are struggling with pornography,

giving themselves into the sex industry, obviously knowing that they are spiritually in conflict, but it's a way to make money. And it's easy money for women, that's why they really give themselves to the sex industry. And for men, obviously, they're being compelled by the libido and they're just willing to spend all of this money to have access to their addiction

and fundamentally being weakened, what would you recommend to them is the tool? You have to stop watching pornography. There's no question about it. Now, how you stop watching it is another problem. There are, I know there are groups that kind of can coach you how to stop this thing. You've got to find some way to stop it.

Now, some guys just stop because I told them it was a form of control. Hey, I'm not gonna be controlled anymore, and they stop. Sometimes it's an addiction that's really difficult to stop. And so we're here at a fundamental, fundamental issue here. Can you get through this life without supernatural help? Can you do it on your own?

Can you be like Emerson and say, it's just self-reliance? I don't think you can. I don't think you can. I think you need help. The help is known as grace. And grace comes from the sacraments. And so there was a time when Thoreau wrote a Walden poem, a famous American thing, and he said, you know, if you go into nature, you're meeting up with God. That's true. That's true because God created nature. And then he takes it a step further and he says,

a morning in spring is like the forgiveness of sins. Now, I'm sorry, I love mornings in spring, but that's not the forgiveness of sin. There's only one source for you when you say there is forgiveness of sin is what Jesus Christ said to Peter. He said, you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell

will not prevail against it and whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven. That's the only reason anyone has an idea that there is forgiveness of sin. And so I'm saying if you need that supernatural help, it's there. But, and we all need it. I mean, Orestes Brownson converted to Catholicism. He said, look, you can't expect Americans to be faithful to their wives because they don't get married with sacramental marriage. They don't have the grace. This is the whole

hidden story of American history that Hawthorne understood and exposed, and we have to relearn it, I think. So I wish I could tell you that you buy this My 12-Step Program and I will guarantee you that I.E. Michael Jones will save you from every sin you ever committed. And I can't do it. I can't do it. There's only one person who did it. Jesus Christ commissioned the church to do it, and that's why the church has the sacrament of confession. Absolutely amazing. Well, can you tell everybody where they can pick up

your book, libido dominandi? Yes, the second edition is now available at fidelitypress.org. Do not go to Amazon. If you go to Amazon, someone will charge you $1,000 for that book. You can get it for $38. Go to fidelitypress.org.

That's where it's available. I'm telling you guys to go get this because I've only just begun it and it's absolutely fascinating. It's not a book that you can put down and it ties in together everything that we've been discussing on the podcast. E. Michael Jones, the ADL man, the SPLC man.

Are you number one, or am I number one? No, no, no, no, no. You are. You've been on the list longer. No, you're number one. Yeah, it's very clear. It's very clear. Once you're on their list, no one should ever listen to you. But thank you so much. I definitively plan to have you back,

because you've written so many books about fascinating topics that I'm just really coming to terms with now, and it has brought me back to the church. Like the only answer and understanding anything that's happening in the world is to recognize that it's a spiritual battle. It's always been a holy war,

and the only way that you're going to be able to guard yourself against it is by recognizing that and pursuing truth, and the truth is Jesus Christ. Amen, sister. Amen.