Candace - Charlie’s “Freedom” Shirt Disappears. Another Witness Recalls Erika & Epstein. | Ep 354

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

We look back at some of the conflicting eye witness statements given on 9/10, another person comes forward to give testimony about the Erika Kirk connection to Next Model Management & Jeffrey Epstein, and Tim Dillon's "reading" of JD Vance's new book is hilarious. 00:00 - Start. 02:10 - What Brian Harpole did with Charlie's shirt. 12:20 - Email about potential ABS shattered glass in the car. 17:36 - Conflicting eye witness statements. 22:45 - Updated list on why the exploding mic theory could work. 24:45 - Lance Twiggs will not be compelled to show up to the preliminary hearing. 32:11 - Erika Frantzve, Jeffrey Epstein, and the Next Model Management connection. 39:05 - Erika potential dissociative identity disorder? 47:07 - Tim Dillon's "reading" of JD Vance's new book. 52:12 - Comments. Ground News​ ​ Check out Ground News today at https://groundnews.com/candace to get 40% off the Vantage subscription to see through mainstream media narratives. Dose​ ​ Get 35% off your first month subscription with promo code CANDACE at http://www.DoseDaily.co/Candace Ethos​ Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/CANDACE. Application times may vary. Rates may vary. American Financing​ NMLS 182334, http://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-795-1210 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www.AmericanFinancing.net/Owens. Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99. Candace Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@ClipsCandaceOwens Candace Official Website: https://candaceowens.com Candace Merch: https://shop.candaceowens.com Candace on Apple Podcasts: https://t.co/Pp5VZiLXbq Candace on Spotify: https://t.co/16pMuADXuT Candace on Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/RealCandaceO Candace en Español: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnEspanol Candace Owens em Português: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensemPortugues Candace Owens en Français: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnFrançais Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I was going to say Wednesday. It is me already forgetting things because I am officially the prego, right? No one can question anything I do for the next few months. We all agree. I don't make the rules. I just follow them. Dana Lash makes the rules, actually. Let's bring in Dana Lashed.

And the widow. And the prego. For the widow. For the prego. Or the widow. Or the prego. The widow. The prego.

Honor widows. Honor pregos! I hope I got that octave, like, just right. I feel like that. I felt, yes, I like it. I'm free. It feels like a throwback to like a WWF intro. Do you smell what the widow is cooking?

Anyway, I feel. I am the prego, and if you disagree with me, it's demonic. Duh. I heard it in a Rob Bacoy sermon this weekend in Vegas. Anyway, what do we have for you today? I had asked last week, what happened to Charlie Kirk's shirt, the freedom shirt? The one that he was wearing, the one that TPSA moved to sell like hotcakes right after he passed. Don't you want to own the shirt that Charlie Kurt was wearing when he died?

5999, and it could be yours. Well, I just wanted to know what happened to the original one, actually. And the answer is beyond absurd. Speaking of absurd, the judge in the Tyler Robinson case just came back with the decision that is not going to help the conspiracies that this entire case is going to be rigged. We're going to tell you about that update. And lastly, we were able to vet another tip from someone who knew the old Erica, the one working in New York City in Jeffrey Epstein's modeling orbit.

So let's get started. Welcome back to Candace. Okay, so the list of things that are suddenly beginning to make a whole lot of, of sense when you consider the increasingly plausible scenario that it was indeed Charlie's road mic, which was rigged to kill him, is growing. The list is growing. Now, I had asked a question last week, and gratefully, someone pointed out to me that Baron Coleman had already furnished the answer to it, as well as other people, a long time ago, actually, in his early days of covering the case, I just wasn't following Baron back then. And also, I maintain that I was in a real

state of shock and grief, and I was not processing information as usual. There were so much coming in, so many questions, so many things for me to respond to recognizing that I was suddenly going to be at war with Turning Point USA on top of my grief. But anyway, last week I had asked that crucial question, what happened to Charlie Kirk's white freedom shirt? Right? We were exploring that shirt in particular because it would definitively have explosive residue on it, if the theory holds. It's something that could easily, at the very least, put the theory to bed. If our hypothesis is correct, then Charlie's shirt would actually be the biggest piece of evidence available, right? To those seeking to hide the fact that he was hit with an explosive, every place and item upon which the explosive residue may have landed would have to be either cleaned up or destroyed entirely, right?

Like the soil, we covered this. Can we test it for explosive residue? Nope, we can't because we learned that they took care of that soil. 10 inches of soil dug out immediately and repaved by Saturday. Charlie died in a Wednesday, and that soil was gone by Saturday. By Sunday, pavers were installed. Okay, forget that. What about the necklace?

That's an obvious place. Well, nope, that was taken care of too, because the feds were looking for it for some unknown reason, as was Frank Churrick, and it was then given to the widow, who now wears it around her neck, and who on earth would expect her to hand that over, keeps her close to her husband. Okay, well, let's skip that, right? What about the handheld microphone?

That's an obvious one. Surely we kept that one in evidence, right, Cash Patel? Oh, nope, sorry, the widow needed that for the Mar-a-Lago fundraiser. It's encased in some glass, and she is mourning beside it with photographers at her helm. It all seems a bit too convenient. But surely, we think, surely you are thinking. this can't be an inside job. All of that, keeping this, giving this to the widow.

All of it could be fine potentially if we had Charlie's clothes. I mean, everybody knows you keep the clothes, right? Where is his shirt? It would hold the most evidence. Surely that made it to the hospital and is in the possession of the police, the feds. Right? Right? Wrong. Because here's what happened to his shirt, according to Brian Hart,

our poll who joined Sean Ryan for a car crash of an interview, for which I am being sued over. Here is what happened to Charlie's shirt in case you missed it or forgot it like I did. Take a listen. We get to the hospital. Actually, we make it to the hospital through the traffic. We've got full wound pack in. We get out and we carry in to the door. Once we make it into the door where we see a gurney on the left-hand side,

We put him on a gurney and then I wheel him into a room. I start giving the patient information to the staff there. I end up getting on top of him and cutting the shirt that he had on off, that white Freedom shirt. And so I cut it off so they could get to him so that I didn't articulate this to them, but I wanted to get that stuff off so they could put a defibrillator on him. And then started talking about pushing drugs. And so I was back and forth with them on drugs and defibrillator. And so then, you know, once you get that cut shirt off, shirt cut off and moved out of the way,

you know, there's enough of medical professionals in there. And so I just want to get out of their way. and so got out of their way and walked out of the room and stood outside the room and held guard on the outside door of the room so nobody else could come in there. I genuinely do not possess in my vocabulary enough adjectives to describe the absurdity of the scene that Brian Harpole just tried to convey to audience.

It's difficult. You would just have to have, you don't even have to have a shred of common sense. you could have less than a shred of common sense, ever been to a doctor, ever been to a hospital? Like, this guy walked in like he was the mayor. He grabs a gurney. He wheels the gurney himself into a room. He then jumps on top of Charlie. Don't know where he got scissors from.

You would have been available to him in the car. He got a pair of scissors. He's bark in orders. He then cuts Charlie's shirt off for them because he's got this all under-connors. control. People are just looking around like this guy is amazing. He then starts giving them information, even though you would have thought that happened on the phone. We still can't figure out who in the car called 911 and we can't find that 911 call, but they say someone did call 911. He then starts giving information about Charlie and then he himself, they're all

standing around watching this guy just do his thing. Like he's just your regular old Superman. Everybody recognizes him from town. And then he steps back and says, okay, now I, I, myself had decided I will back away because there's enough professionals, but I am going to talk you through what meds to give Charlie as well. I'm sorry, who are you? And then he wraps it up by saying, and then I decided to walk out of the room and just guard the door. Oh, they just let you do that at hospitals? I didn't know this was an emergency scene. I've never seen this. Not even when they fake killed Jeffrey Epstein. Did they come up with the story this ridiculous? They at least showed him as soon as he got to the hospital,

like, no, the medical professionals just like took over, obviously. Because not even the people that are in the paramedics would be able to do this. You hand it over. You're now in the hospital coming in through the emergency doors.

They have an emergency setup and not even the paramedics would be allowed to do what Brian Harpull, some random dude who they don't know from a hole in the wall, has just described to Sean Ryan that he did, no questions asked.

and he cut his shirt off. That's the most crucial part. He jumped on top of him. He grabbed the gurney. He picked the room. Everyone was standing around going, wow, wow. We'll just wait until he tells us there's enough of us because this guy's got it.

This guy's really, really got it. Why don't we just perform surgery? What are we doing here? He did it because, oh, the defibrillator. Oh, well, you told us, now you're worried about Charlie's heartbeat because you told us that you didn't even do CPR. This was an eight-minute car ride. Now you want a defibrillator to bring his heart back online.

Do you know how much damage would be? Would he have four minutes that you can survive without a heartbeat? And you weren't worried about a heartbeat. Now you're worried about a heartbeat. So much so that you jump onto him and cut off his shirt. Why are you saying this? This did not happen. This did not happen.

Ryan Harpole, you are lying through your teeth. Okay? It's no wonder Cash Patel had to swoop in there and take the cameras from inside of the. hospital. We were wondering why. Well, this very clearly explains why, because the story is so fantastical, there's no way in hell the FBI could have allowed us to see what went down that hospital. Frankly, it sounds like a sitcom. Okay. Frank Turrick, who didn't touch Charlie, according to Brian Harpo, according to Brian, he was just praying in the back seat. But for some

reason, Frank notes that when he got to the hospital, he got changed. Mikey McCoy, who was a hero, found them surgical scrubs because there was blood all over him. He somehow got blood all over him. and then they all needed to change their clothes. And when he changed his clothes, he didn't even recognize at that moment that his kids were still on the phone. He's not going to realize that until he gets to the hospital.

Nobody really understands how he called Jack Gibbs, but he did. We have a hospital that's allowing Brian Harpole to run the op floor while Pastor Frank Turrick is being styled for some unknown reason. All of this definitely happened.

Rokanez, that's really weird. Even like if I take my kid to the emergency room, I feel like I've suddenly given them to the medical industry. You can have a baby in a hospital and they'll fight you over the child that you just carried for nine months, telling you basically the child is theirs. Here's what the baby needs. But somehow, when Brian Hartpole came in here,

he was just calling shots, and then he did security. He got out of the door. Wow. This sounds like a movie. This sounds like, I don't know, like a Denzel Washington Johnny Q. Movie.

This does not sound like, real life because it's not real life. The reason Brian Harple is spinning that tail is because he probably did cut off Charlie's shirt at that hospital. When everybody was stripping, he probably did cut off Charlie's shirt. And I'm going to guess that that shirt has been disposed of because I don't see it in evidence. I don't see it marked as evidence. I haven't seen it in the court case filings that they have this shirt anywhere. That makes the most sense to me under this scenario is that Brian is spinning a tail trying to make it sound heroic as to why he removed a crucial piece of evidence off of Charlie's body. Again, we're running this scenario that

this could be an inside job. That would mean that the feds came in to do a cleanup job of the evidence, which would have included, as we mentioned before, the car. Right. This was the most compelling piece of evidence that we were never supposed to have, right? The car was sent for a tow, a cleanup, an auction, all very expeditiously. They didn't want to keep this for evidence. But of course, John Bray, who immediately identified the mic as the potential source of a shaped charge explosion, was on the pursuit looking for shattered ABS glass from the Road Wireless Pro. Unbeknownst to me, I got this evidence, and it's the first thing he saw. I'm very convinced by his arguments, but to play devil's advocate, I had to imagine that it could

have been maybe a pair of sunglasses that were accidentally stepped on and then shattered all across the floorboard. I had that scenario at a very low probability, but nonetheless, it's good not to convince yourself of what you're seeing. I can now state confidently that I believe the bits that were on the floorboard of the SUV are indeed Charlie's shattered road mic, because one of the one of you sleuths reached out to us with a rather fine detail. I love you guys. You're always paying attention. I'm just going to read the email. It says, hi, Kannison team. This may be nothing, but I believe you guys need to try and enhance the images on the back of the SUV, specifically the black shards, because when I look at the images unenhanced, there seems to be a number of the

shards that have white on them, both on the floor and the crease of the seats, see screenshots of the videos that you shared from the show. If you study the images of the Road Wireless Go microphone, they have several white details on them. And if you can enhance the SUV images, I'm confident that you will be able to identify parts of the microphone body by the shards. It'd also be interested to see an image from a different angle so that we can see the piece that I have indicated by an arrow on the one image. Again, it could be nothing, but I think you guys will have access to much better enhancement tools as well as all the angles. I just have a feeling that those little shards with the white on them hold the key to whether your suspicion about

the exploding mic is plausible, all the best. Well, what do you know? Here are the images that they attached from our earlier show when they were circling what they thought could be some white on them, which would be like the road microphone. Of course, it does say road on it in white. Do we have that road image too of the mic? There you go. So this is what they're looking for. They're going, actually, there's writing on that. So if it was all over him, you're going to get pieces that have white on it. And so we enhance the images. And I am further compelled that this person is correct. I will show you this, particularly because I thought you could say, oh, maybe that's a sun glint here and there. Not on that piece on the right hand corner. That is white on there and on some other pieces.

We can go closer here so that this person can see it even better. That's white. This is not someone's sunglasses that we are looking at. I can show you another more enhanced photos here, particularly that one in the right corner, is just so obviously a piece of a shard of something. And I believe this is Charlie's Road microphone. This person was on the money. There is white. There's predictable white, of course, on the edges. That sort of happens when you shatter glass in general. But I also wanted to show you guys these, you know, hyper-focused pieces so that you could see that this person is definitively on to something. Now, I also want to show you because there's a pocket of the internet for everything,

a video of some guy on YouTube who just decided to break his road wireless mic for Fonzie. Nothing to do with the Charlie Kirk case. Not sure the context of this. Assuming this guy is super rich because this is like $1,500 to purchase these things. But let's take a listen. Hey y'all, it's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up?

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But in my review, I talked about this candy mirror finish and how nothing sticks to it. starts breaking it. You can see that's what it looks like is on the car overboard. No kidding. Okay. Or very carefully getting under here and I'm splintering glass bits all over the place. So at this point I'm going to say it's safe to say, don't do this at home. Also, it kind of makes sense that this is glass because if you think about like iPhones, you know, they have that

glass backing for antennas and such. And so I guess that's where the antenna is on here. I don't know, but I'm guessing that's what's up. At the very least, now we get to see what's underneath a road wireless pro. That is what it looks like is on the floorboard of the vehicle that transported Charlie. That is a very solid and plausible theory, which I feel is now strengthened. Of course, beyond that, there is also. also the curious case of the witness tree.

We covered this a little bit yesterday. The people who were first to speak to the media and set the narrative. They're the most crucial people. Some people call these people crisis actors talking about what happened. So when people are looking for information, they stumble upon these people and they say, hey, Charlie's been hit in the chest. And we can describe to you how he was sitting the chest. That definitely happens.

We showed you one student, in particular, a young woman named Sarah Thule. But yesterday the internet quickly discovered that after she gave her first testimony with Fox 13, claiming in detail, along with others, that he was shot in the chest, suddenly 51 minutes later, she went back onto camera with local media and completely changed her story. Here is her first interview to jog your memory. So basically, I heard a loud bang, which I figured a shot would be a little bit louder, but I just saw it hit him in the chest and then all of a sudden just tons of blood gushing right out where his heart is

and then he like fell over and slumped down and everybody got down and was screaming and then we all ran. Can you describe just did he appear to be moving afterward or what? Not at all. I personally believe he was dead on impact. You heard the one shot. Were there multiple shots or? I think just one shot straight in Charlie Kirk and that was it.

And I think they got him. and did you see the person who fired the shot or anything like that? No, I just knew that it came to the right of me and went just directly into his heart. I got a picture of him. What did you see as far as, I mean, was the crowd, how was the crowd reacting to him? I mean, he is somewhat known for being provocative. But what was going on beforehand? What was he talking about?

So the first student got up and they were talking about religion, Mormonism and Christianity. and the second student to get up was talking about transgenderism and how gun violence has been very frequent with that community and that is when it happened. Pretty ironic. Like right after during, right on that topic. Yeah, it's when he got shot in the heart. As four people that are in attendance, one of them is her mother. No one is disputing what she said.

They were in the fourth row and she says directly hit his heart, came from her right side. Okay, that's pretty descriptive. That's what she said at 1.17 p.m. But then just 15 minutes later, she gives another interview and her story has changed. This is given at around 208 p.m.

Take a listen. And then after that, they had another student step up to talk about transgenderism and the violence and gun violence that's been surrounding that recently. And that is when Charlie caught, Charlie Kirk was shot. It was in the neck and I watched the blood just spurt out all over his body

as he slumped over and fell down. I believe that he was dead on impact, but it sounds like he is in critical condition. So big prayers going out to him, hoping that everything is okay. That is remarkable. That is remarkable. directly to his heart to now on the left side of his neck. But she wasn't done because then she went big time. She spoke to ABC News. And this time her memory is getting better and better. She's even able to confirm how many yards away the bullet was fired from.

And it incredibly matches the distance to Lose Center. She becomes an expert in sound ballistics. Take a listen. So I was in the fourth row in the courtyard where Charlie Kirk was. I was a little to his left and the shooter was to my right. So, and even if you were looking at Charlie Kirk from the front, the shooter was still to the right and just got him right in the neck, blood gushing everywhere. A friend of mine and I ran into the building and ran out the building. It's like the exit pathway and just kept running, crossing streets, like just trying to get to safety.

And so you think the shooter was to the right of you based on what you heard and what you saw? Yes, correct. Yeah, it went right into his left side and the shooter was from my right and even in the middle, it was still to the right. And I'm pretty sure you had somebody say this earlier, but I think it was about 200 yards away. It was about 200 yards. How? How did she know that? How does she now suddenly know that it? It was, it hit him in the neck versus what she graphically described as it hitting him directly in the heart as she points center. What changed? In short, none of that makes any sense. It's hard to make sense of it outside of all of these mysterious pieces falling together when we examine the exploding mic theory.

Here's our update. It's good to organize this stuff and to take a look at it. Our updated chart of everything magically falling into place when we consider this theory. bomb dogs being kept away from the scene. Why the crime scene was immediately paved over and the soil was excavated. Why the feds were searching for Charlie Kirk's necklace. It explains why there appears to be shattered black ABS glass all over the SUV. Why there is no available footage or any eyewitness reports of someone seen firing a shot from a lozi building,

despite this being an active campus in the middle of the day. Why the feds did not conduct a standard gunshot residue test when Tyler Robinson was brought in. It explains why Terrell Farnsworth violated the crime scene to remove the back footage. It's almost like he got updated. Like, oh, crap, it hit his neck. We got to pull that footage because we're going to need to, like, explain that. Why, we got a 30 out six. It explains why there was unusually no ambulance on standby.

The paramedics would have likely seen that shattered glass from road mic pieces and other evidence, which would not have supported a gunshot to the neck. It explains why Erica was quick to forgive Tyler Robinson. it explains by Brian Harpool cut off Charlie's shirt in a scene described by him, which definitively did not happen. And if it did happen, this hospital should be shut down. If that scene did happen, this hospital is insecure and it should be shut down. That is not a safe place to take anybody.

If Randos can run in and start directing doctors and jump on top of people and cut off their shirts and decide to perform security on rooms, then this hospital, Timpanogos, should be shut down. That's my perspective. Lastly, it explains, as we just showed you, why multiple front row witnesses wrongly claimed that Charlie was shot in the chest

before changing their testimony, unusually. Now, if we continue to follow and work upon this hypothesis, then it inevitably suggests what we've also suspected that Tyler Robinson is indeed a patsy. In order to become a patsy, to be clear, you have to have a really bad friend in your life, right? Someone that is close to you and that is willing to set you up to either gather or plant evidence against you, someone with access to your gun, access to your clothes. Like, I don't know, a roommate who you're maybe dating

and becomes the only source of clear evidence, quote unquote, clear evidence against Tyler Robinson in the form of a dramatized text confession, which doesn't pass a sniff test, a handwritten note that was subsequently destroyed, which doesn't pass the sniff test, because why would you hammer anything if you're going to just text everything out anyway? The person who curiously is not held for questioning by the FBI is not kind of mysterious. Yeah, I would imagine if we take our theory to its natural end, Lance Twigs might be a federal asset, a very protected federal asset. And things are pointing in that direction,

because yesterday news came in, rather a verdict came in. Judge Graff, which is difficult to explain. Given the extraordinary role that Lance Twiggs played in shaping the narrative against his alleged boyfriend, you might think that the judge in Utah would honor the defense's request to compel Lance to show up to the preliminary hearing which is set for the week of July 6th. Like, you're the basis of this entire case against our client.

If you assume that, though, that he would say, yes, you have to come because the defense wanted to subpoena him, you would be wrong because the judge has just denied that request, okay? So just to remind you, the prosecutors in this probable cause hearing plan to represent Erica. She is the listed victim on this case, and they plan to present at that time a recorded statement from Lance Twigs at the preliminary hearing.

So essentially, Lance Twiggs is allowed to testify against Tyler Robinson in the form of a recorded statement. Robinson's team therefore argued that they should be allowed to have the opportunity to cross-examine him. Otherwise, it's this hearsay. They're just allowed to say, hey, I got a recording of a guy who says you did it. Okay, but I say I didn't do it. Well, it doesn't matter because I have this recording. Twigs now lives out of state, but the judge has ruled that the purpose of this hearing

is not going to be to decide upon Robinson's guilt, but rather to determine if there's enough evidence to move the case forward. So they've said, it's allowed. I allow it. It's a hearing that is allowed to move forward, built on hearsay. This is what we mean when we say

that this case is going to be a show trial. That's a show trial. If you can just bring evidence into the courtroom and that evidence does not need to be vetted, then the judges and saying that's perfectly fine at this stage, that's a show trial. Could you just put yourself in that sort of? circumstance.

Okay. Lance says it happened and you have no right to examine the evidence of what he's presenting, right? They have not been given access to Tyler Robinson's text messages to make sure they're real or that they were indeed sent from their client's phone that was in Tyler Robinson's confession. Nope. They said no.

We're just bringing the printouts. These are the messages. Trust me, bro. They are not allowed to question the person who says that he found the note. They're just going to play a recording of him saying that they found it. imagine that scenario in your own life. You get hauled in, arrested for murder, and someone says, yeah, well, this person says that you did it. And we have a recording.

I'm saying you did it. And they're like, that's enough. Judge Graf says, that's enough. We don't have to produce anything else for this preliminary hearing. You've got to rot in prison until the real trial happens. That is why people believe the fix is in. And I am among the people in that perspective. Like I said, the hearing is going to be scheduled for the week of July 6th.

I will be away on vacation, but maybe I'll have to set something up with you guys to watch it live and respond to it because this is so far beyond anything that we could have imagined. We're just living through JFK all over again. We will be back after a brief break with another person, by the way, who has come forward to declare that they remember Erica Franz Faye from her New York City days. And our earlier reports about her are indeed true. All right, you guys, the media does not even need to lie anymore. They just sort of frame everything for us before we even have a chance to think for ourselves. They tell us what matters, what to be outraged about, and what to ignore. It's hard to trust a single outlet to tell the truth these days.

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Okay, but the preliminary gives you the permission to keep somebody in prison. Like, this is going forward. This is completely crazy. You, the preliminary should deeply matter. You should say, we have the grounds and here is the evidence and we'll flesh that out down the line. No evidence? Trust me, bro, on a recording.

I mean, it's all so ridiculous. And they call us the conspiracy theorists. It's exactly what we expected. moving on to Erica Franz Fe. Erica Franzes, a totally different person than Erica Kirk. We're going to talk more about that. So we had spoken to you guys about next model management a few times, right? And we've now received another testimony about that.

Now, if you watched Our Bride of Charlie series, you know that we had received a well-vetted tip that Erica was in charge of quote-unquote modeling apartments for a bunch of underaged Eastern European girls. who were being brought to and shuffled through next model management, which was owned and operated by a woman named Faith Kate's, right? This modeling agency was born out of the Rothschild dynasty. We unpacked it on an episode. And this was a shocking discovery because Faith Kate's was unbelievably close to Jeffrey Epstein. You can read Faith Kate's emails all throughout Jeffrey Epstein's emails,

which have our one out have been released. Jeffrey Epstein himself, we learned hung out at the office regularly when he was in town. And what was described to us was that suits would come through, models, these young, each of European girls

were being brought over from this country hanging all around the office and the suits, so to speak, would kind of decide what girls they wanted to hang out with in a way. And the tip at that time came in and said that Erica in particular was in charge of a white apartment building on the Upper East Side

where they sort of housed all of these models. Now, we had wondered, we were not able to confirm, if that white Upper East Side in the 60s of the Upper East Side may have been the one that was owned by Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother. We still have not confirmed that. But we did go out, obviously, because that's a very big story that Erica would be at this office,

that she was there with upper executives and to the extent of managing these apartments, we went out to Turning Point USA to seek comment regarding this, and we never received a response, which is very odd to me because Erica is quick to respond to Project Constitution if he says that she's dating someone. They love it, right? Suddenly she's got, she's drafting responses about,

which is probably written by Andrew Colbett, about him having Dorito dust on him, you know, a calling him fat and lazy effectively, implying that he's fat and lazy, I feel like if you're going to reply to something, someone saying that you were in Jeffrey Epstein's orbit is pretty critical. It's a pretty critical thing to respond to

and shut down immediately. There is no person in the entire role that wants to be even slightly adjacent to Jeffrey Epstein, especially given Erica's background with the Romanian angels and all the innuendo that is out there about her already. Now, we received another update. Another person has come forward and confirmed this information that Erica Kirk was,

working as the contact for the model apartments on the Upper East Side. This person is insistent. She said she herself met with Erica Kirk. Okay. This is exceedingly problematic. This is exceedingly problematic if underage girls were brought in to, under the guise of being models, and like you're allowed to be an underage model. It's not like you have to be 21 to model.

It's quite the opposite. But then we're kept in apartments. which may or may not have been owned by Jeffrey Epstein. Certainly they were being shuffled through a modeling agency of which Jeffrey Epstein was very much involved in. We know this. This was his thing of how he trafficked a lot of women from the Eastern Europe through modeling agencies, like the one with Jean-Luc Brunel in France

and his ties to Faith Kate's, who stood by his side, even when he was found guilty of harming children, Faith Kate's was his loyal defender. and it ended up costing her entire reputation, her career, really. If you look her up, you can't really get over that. Marred her entire reputation. And now we are learning that Erica, we were always wondering, why did Erica have this license, this real estate license?

And it is plausible that it was just to sort of give her a shield for stuff that she was involved in. That is very questionable. That's very questionable. We couldn't find some long history of Erica Kirk as a real estate agent, but she got her license in New York to do what? Erica at this time claimed she was a jack of all trades, right? She was a casting director in New York City, a real estate agent in New York City, a pageant model, a casting director in New York City, a woman running a charity for Romanian angels alongside the United States Marine Corps while she was in New York City. She was also a clothing designer, started her own clothing line while she was in New York City.

She was also a reality TV star while she was in New York City. None of these careers are lucrative. None of them are consistent. There is no such thing as a jack of all trades. There is such a thing as a liar. Okay? So put an APB out. If you are able, perhaps you used to model,

perhaps you yourself were a young girl, Eastern European who came to America and dealt with Kate's next model management. And you remember Erica Kirk being one of the individuals who managed the apartments. And I want to be clear, I did speak to one model, but I didn't find her memory to be convincing enough. And she talked about how these girls

that managed the modeling apartments that she did herself live in, but I didn't feel confident that the girl that she dealt with was Erica, but she said in their capacity, they also got these underage girls, into clubs at night. Getting them in with fake IDs. This is what she described to me

in like a one-hour conversation, giving them drugs while they were, you know, partying, underaged. But again, I did not feel like her memory that it was Erica was correct. But she said, I lived in this building. I can't remember the faces and names. I once got robbed,

and she told me this whole story. If you have any information specifically about Erica Franz Faye. And next model management, Erica Franz Faye managing apartments at, on the Upper East Side, a white building. We would like to hear from you.

You can email us at more tips at canis Owens.com. You can also email us at tips at canis Owens.com. I feel very much there is something here, given everything we have uncovered in the Charlie Kirk assassination story, the strange web surrounding Epstein.

Now we know Trump called him and told him to stop speaking about it was upset. There's smoke here, and where there are smoke, there tends to be fire. Anyway, I had mentioned something else to you. I was mentioning it as a soft joke. Rather, I was acknowledging that on the surface it seemed kind of petty, but it was for some reason in the back of my head, something that disturbed me early on. Everyone was talking about Erica's pants and all the stuff. I avoided all that, how she hugged JD Vance. But there was something that was bothering me about Erica's signature, about the way she signed her name that felt weird to me. And I showed you

that signature last week, just kind of because someone else had mentioned it on X. Here is that, here is, I want to see her new signature, Erica Lane, the one that's scratched out. This is her signature that she uses today, and I just, I just don't like it. I can't explain it. I couldn't explain it. Well, lo and behold, I'm glad that we shared that sentiment because then we got a string of emails from people who knew Erica, and it turns out that Erica completely changed her signature. That's not, that's not, that's her new signature, okay? When Erica was Miss Arizona, she was 24 years old, to be clear, it's a full adult. She had an entirely different signature. This is a signature. And I'm going to tell you why this is actually important. Totally different

signature the way she signs Erica. I mean, this is like a totally different person. It is not subtle. People do not change their signatures. You know that, I know that. Least of all, when you're 24 years old, You learn cursive, you learn to sign your name, you practice signing your name, and you just do it without thinking for the rest of your life. Okay? You can change your last name. You adopt it to how you're already signing your signature when you get married. You don't change your signature no more than you change your fingerprints, okay? It is a piece of your identity, so to speak. So I looked this up and lo and behold, there have been entire psychological expeditions into exactly the profile and disorder that people have that do this. This is a real thing. think. And it so clearly, when they identified this disorder, it explains to me exactly what we are experienced with Erica. It is dissociative personality disorder. We'll scroll for that in a bit. Now, I'm not saying this to be funny or mean. I virtually every descriptive trait of somebody who has dissociative personality disorder matches the experience I am having watching Erica, okay? Floating between different identities seems to be suffering from like an amnesia. I don't

think she knows she's lying. It's like she doesn't remember what she says a couple of months ago. In January, she's telling employees via a conference call. She can't wait to meet them. She can't wait to learn their names. She can't wait to see what they're working on. She wants to know their hearts. Fast forward to June. She's now angry on stage telling donors that the plan was always this. She already was at the office every day. Everybody knew everybody. She knew everybody's names. She knew every department in exactly what they were working on. She just showed up and just pressed play. Okay? That is not lying. That is a total and complete disassociation from someone that you were previously. And that is what I think so deeply disturbed me when I remembered that conversation

that I had with Tucker and Maine, that Erica was radically anti-Israel, that she hated the pastors around Charlie. She was pushing Charlie in this direction. She has now completely dissociated from that previous person. She's now radically pro-Israel. says it's like brain wrought not to be. She's dropping books about Shabbat Shalom. Immediately after Charlie dies, she welcomes Ben Shapiro to open Amphes. That is dissociative.

Okay? And when you pull this up genuinely, because it used to be called split personality disorder, they changed it because it makes people think that you're living like 10 identities at once when you say that. That's not what it is, okay? It explains exactly what we are seeing.

It explains what I've gone through as I went through her childhood and her background, I had sensed that there was like some sort of a childhood trauma that she suffered. And that is what causes this, people to dissociate from their previous self. The Erica that existed during Miss Arizona years doesn't exist anymore. She has chosen a different character.

She became someone else while she was with Charlie. And when I spoke to her ex-boyfriends, they said they literally didn't recognize her. Like not one shred of the human being that they dated for years was present in the Erica Kirk that they are now seeing today. That's not normal. That should not be ignored. Okay, pull up this dissociative identity disorder thing,

and it talks about, it's formerly known as multiple personality disorder and split personality disorder, where you have two or more separate identities. Dissociate means to separate or disconnect, right? People with dissociative identity disorder may experience several different personalities usually referred to as alters, and each identity may have different behaviors, memories, thought patterns, or expressions.

She speaks entirely differently from how she used to speak. I've never seen this before. That's what makes me so uncomfortable. It talks about how it may control your behavior at different times. Memories may not transfer from one identity to another. It's like it causes a sort of amnesia, gaps in memory. When she gets up there and she says, I never date anyone before Charlie Cook.

You're like, what are you talking about? you never weren't dating before Charlie Kirk. How can you just completely dissociate from the previous self that you were? I don't understand it until I read this, and it's interesting because this is the clinical diagnosis of it, but they also include the spiritual diagnosis of this before things were clinical. People believe that this is a form of possession, right? Scroll down here, what are the different types? Possession identities present as if an outside being or spirit took control.

of your body, you might speak or act differently in a way that's obvious to others. It's an unwanted identity and the personality switch is involuntary. And there were a lot of people that were saying this. It's like she was under some sort of a possession. They don't recognize the person that they are speaking to. So don't dismiss this. I think this is what we're seeing where she just doesn't really seem like she's here and she doesn't remember things and she's lying to us all the time, but she seems frustrated with us for knowing that she's lying and she's angry. It speaks about that. I think this is something. I really do. I think that this is something and it talks about if you scroll down how the source of this is usually a childhood trauma. The signs here is like those gaps in

memory and, you know, delusion stressed about, sorry, yeah, if you scroll down here, DID may cause a stressful experience may include trauma abuse stressful experiences. I don't love the relationship she has with her mother. I find her mother. Um, there's just something about the Lori. I'll tell you that much. Um, but this is what we're seeing. And by the way, it's, it's, it's these critical moments as well. Like when we discovered that she presented herself as Catholic right after Charlie died in the back of the church, pouring her heart out to a woman, talking about, How much Charlie loved the Catholic Church, or they were going to Mass every day,

how he was close to converting. This woman flies back to Chicago to bring Erica a relic and she's totally Catholic. And then the woman is uncomfortable when she then gets invited to Mara Lago and suddenly Erica's a Judeo-Christian and there's no mention of Catholicism and she's a totally different person.

That's a disorder, guys. That she can just float in between personalities is not normal. and we should recognize that. I do believe that she has completely disassociated, and it's not because of Charlie. Because we examined this when she met Charlie, she became a totally different person

and even completely transformed her signature. Wacky. Completely wacky. Anyway, there's a clip I want to show you, just to end on a note of somebody who, his entire show is him having different personalities, and it works, because he's a comedian, is Tim Dillon. clip of him, he has this ability to just sort of express how we're all feeling about the

ridiculousness of everything. I actually don't have a lot of resentment for J.D. Vance, and I don't think Tim Dillon does either, but the idea of everything that we've just lived through with Iran and the gaslighting and the Epstein files and the Charlie Kirk assassination and then J.D. Vance drops a book about his Catholicism. It's a bit dizzying, I think, for a lot of people. And Tim Dillon decided to do a reading of J.D. Vance's book or something like a reading of J.D. Vance's book. Take a listen to this because it's just, again, brilliant humor. So we have here an excerpt from the book, God chose me by J.D. Vance.

Here we are. After sacrificing Charlie Kirk to the entity Ball, I began to think about my faith. Long nights in the Vice President's residence pacing, thinking about if the sacrifice to Ball

would be enough. Long meetings in the Oval Office and the Situation Room discussing Ball's incessant appetite for flesh. When will Ball get enough, I would ask, while drinking my morning coffee? Or at night, while I sat there and my wife, expressionless, stared at me and not,

and refusing to speak. Does Ball care about America, I would ask? Is Ball a fan? Could I get a meeting with Ball? could I sit toe to toe with ball and in its ancient tongue convince it to stop

killing? By the way, as an excerpt from a book, it's very interesting because it's J.D. Vance communicating with the deity Baal. Well, of course, many people

are going to say, well, that's not technically in his book. It's the essence of the book. It's the essence of the book. It's the essence of the book. essence of the administration, I think, is what we're going to get. This is how it feels. It's like, we can't just move on and talk about midterms and read an autobiography. Like, what is going on actually? We are dealing with understanding that our administration, whether you think, you know, J.D. Vance is a hostage of it or perpetrator of it has protected

ball worshipers. Like, that's the reality. And we all know they're lying about child. Kirkster's like, I don't really want to read an autobiography right now. I just don't. I really don't. And leave it at that. We'll be right back after a brief break. All right, you guys, big news. I recently announced that my family is growing and we are expecting another baby.

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All right. Top comment from last episode came from Adriana. She wrote, the internet finding out that Candace is pregnant before she did is the most Candace detective fan work ever. You guys are on it. I have to expect that. You guys would know that. You see it with signs. You're doing exactly what we do, just sleuthing. But that was fast, man. That was really fast. Ms. Rini writes, I owed a towing company for years. I had the evidence contract, which means whenever a vehicle was involved in a crime or used to transport a body, that vehicle was stored at our tow yard until the case closed. Never would a vehicle be released, cleaned up, and sold. This is just effing insane. Yeah, it's just, and the most insane part is that they just think they have enough money to convince. just that it's all sane. Like, that's the most insane part. They're just like, no, you guys are all crazy for noticing that nothing that we're telling you makes any sense whatsoever and we're just

lying through our teeth and we definitely fumbled this assassination, but like we're powerful and you're not, I guess, or something. Comments from today's episode, this person, True Detective writes global elites are immersed in the occult. The narrative is right out of the first season of True Detective or The God at Dusk by Anand Bosmia. Keep fighting the good fight. Yes, Skylar keeps saying I need to watch True Detective, and I really do need a new show to watch. So maybe when I'm on vacation, I will do that. Becky writes, I vote the beautiful, the beautiful, smart, talented, prego. Congratulations to you and George.

Thank you so much. Jen writes, six months ago, I was told that there was no heartbeat. Broken and needing distraction, I sent my first super that night to you, and you read it live and it lifted my spirits. Yesterday, I had my eight-week scan, and I got to hear the perfect strong heartbeat of my rainbow baby. God is so good. Congratulations to you. I can't even imagine that going through that and no heartbeat. That is just absolutely terrible. And yeah, God is good. And for a lot of people that are struggling with fertility, just keep trying. I always hear these stories of people that are trying for years. And then, like, right when they give up, they just get pregnant and they have like twins, all sorts of stories like that. So keep going. Brandy Garcia writes, my dad was murdered in 2019. Investigators kept his phone, clothing, chair, sections of flooring and walls and even unrelated. firearms for years. The case just closed and I'm still fighting to get his belongings back. This is crazy. Yeah, I mean, just gave everything. Erica. His phone. Everything. Here. Here you go. Maybe his phone

would have had explosive residue. I don't know where his phone was actually. Typically, he would have it on him, or maybe he would hand it sometimes backstage to like, you know, the Mikey McCoy character, whoever was traveling with him at that time. It was a girl named Sarah. But this is weird. This is just, yeah, objectively, why was everything? that should be an evidence given to Erica for fundraising. Again, it was because they were establishing the widow narrative. Also, I'm very sorry that your father was merged in 2019. That's also unimaginable. Very, yeah, that's just I couldn't even process that. Pre-writes, imagine having access to AI, top-ranking officials, and intelligence agencies and still getting debunked by a podcaster from her basement,

LOL. It's these sleuths. It ain't me. I'm just putting together the pieces. Our team, we go get to go through the emails. I mean, we do specialize in common sense. That's what we do. So when you're going to tell us that you were just running the OR room, you just ran in there, we're going to just, we're just going to call BS right away and say, Brian Harpo is lying. You can add that to your lawsuit claims if you need to, Brian, that is a ridiculous story to tell. A ridiculous story to tell so much so that Timpanogos themselves should come out and dispute it strongly. They should come out and say, this absolutely never happened. Like, it makes it sound like it's just a cartoonish place. Erica tried to sell, and she lied, that the surgeon was just like, oh, I violated HIPAA, spoke to a PR agent and said, maybe it was a super bad neck.

Like, is this hospital being run by a group of toddlers? Or are we being lied to by everyone associated with Turning Point USA? I tend to believe that Brian Harpole is lying through his teeth about the scenario that he pitched to Sean Ryan. Pre-writes, imagine having, oh, pardon, Claire writes, having supported information operations when I was in government, the goal is to use a narrative that is unlikely to induce questions. Whoever planned and led this effort failed miserably. The story should, quote, prevent the second look and this doesn't. Exactly. Again, I think a couple of things went wrong. They had planned on this hitting his chest, which would have made things fit in a lot closer. I mean, we just it was never, in my opinion, meant to hit his neck. And the shape charge due to Charlie's posture, he kind of has a bent posture. It went and it hit his neck and that ruined everything. Me seeing the footage ruined everything. And then it was just like them trying to come up for error and they never did.

And they got dumber. The faster they worked to say something, the dumber it sounded. They should have never, I mean, talk about a critical error was having Andrew Colvert press send on the Superman neck. He eats good veggies veggies tweet. That's ridiculous. Tim Morgan writes, I want to call Brian Harpole the amazing something, but not his name, and it definitely ends with the word hole. I don't know. Pot hole is probably what you meant. Tack, Rechmer writes, please don't take it offensively that we keep

suggesting names for the baby. We all just love you so very much. I hope I speak for most of us saying that we considered ourselves extensions of your beautiful and blessed family. What was the name suggestions? I didn't even see them. I didn't see any. I'll have have a poll some tomorrow. We have a name. We do have a name. We're running out of boy names, but we have one. Ali writes, Larry Johnson is ex-CIA, and often on with Mario Nafel discussing the Middle East. He says the 30-0-6 narrative is BS, and the Egyptian planes could be intelligence-related. Obviously, the Egyptian planes are intelligence-related. I mean, like, common sense, the Egyptian planes are intelligence-related. The most ridiculous thing I've ever seen by entire life that

they're like, ha, ha, ha, Egyptian planes, totally normal. But they were here at that day. So weird. Yeah, that's just totally normal. Erica, ha, ha, ha. No Egyptian planes here. Again, misguided. They just don't know how to behave normally and pretend, pretend to be like,

oh, yeah, we should explore it. That's kind of weird. That is weird. Let me get up with Joe Kent. Instead, they're like, kill Joe Kent. Crush him. Destroy Joe Kent for trying to investigate. gate foreign leads, we just know we're being lied to.

Like, again, we're just going to have to sit back, watch this case and see how far the government goes. Like, what happens when they're caught red-handed, lying about everything? Are they just going to come to us and be like, so what? Doesn't matter. We assassinate people who have done nothing their entire lives, but tried to fight for the very administration that is allowing us to do it. We're going to find out.

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