Candace - Erika And I Sat Down. Here’s What Happened. | Candace Ep 280

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

NY Post publishes their latest hit piece on me, Tim Pool rants about my security again, and I sat down with Erika Kirk in Nashville. 00:00 - Start. 00:44 - My sit down with Erika Kirk. 39:27 - NY Post's latest hit piece on me. 44:10 - Tim Pool's latest rant. 48:30 - TPUSA's live stream during my sit down with Erika. 01:01:20 - Comments. PreBorn!​​​​​ Donate securely by calling 855-601-2229 or by visiting https://preborn.com/candace PDS Debt​​ You’re 30 seconds away from being debt free with PDS Debt. Get your free assessment and find the best option for you at https://PDSDebt.com/CANDACE. Rumble​ If you support my show and free speech, go to https://rumble.onelink.me/u9tR/candace and download the Rumble app today! Follow my channel by searching "Candace Owens" American Financing​​​ NMLS 182334, http://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.196% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-795-1210 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www.AmericanFinancing.net/Owens. Purge Store​ Start your cleanse at https://Purgestore.com/candace or use Promo Code: CANDACE for 15% OFF AND a FREE powerful Colon cleanse with Purge Subscription or Triple Pack Purchase. Candace Official Website: https://candaceowens.com Candace Merch: https://shop.candaceowens.com Candace on Apple Podcasts: https://t.co/Pp5VZiLXbq Candace on Spotify: https://t.co/16pMuADXuT Candace on Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/RealCandaceO Candace en Español: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnEspanol Candace Owens em Português: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensemPortugues Candace Owens en Français: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnFrançais Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Erica said, stop, and then I was frozen for four and a half, four hours and 30 minutes, just like, as I just put all of these talking points into my head, that is not what happened. I keep telling you guys, I am not governable. I am basically akin to Kanye West. I never felt more seen than when he tweeted a lot of years ago, just fired my manager. because I realized I can't be managed. That is me. That tweet right there.

I was like, oh, gosh. Yes, Kanye, that, I get this. Nobody is changing their mind anything. How ridiculous would it have been if I'm doing all of this, investigating, asking all of these questions, and then Erica Kirk offers to answer some of these questions. And I'm like, no, I'm not going to go. I can't betray the people. I don't want any answers to the questions.

I just want to ask them. No, this is the entire reason we are doing this. We've been looking at the situation going, why can't Turning Point USA just answer basic questions? And I can tell you guys that yesterday, for four hours and 30 minutes, there were no rules. They said you can say, you can ask us any question that you want, anything that's on your mind, which I appreciated. And some of you guys are thinking, who is they? Who is they? It's the Jews, obviously.

Just kidding. Justin Strife. Justin Strife was in the Rome, which is Justin Strife and Erica. George joined me just for the beginning portion of the conversation because he had that thing going on that I told you on the 15th all day he was in a conference and then I brought my cousin Mia, you know, the one that has a really bad attitude.

I just bring her there for vibes. I think it just confuses people. They're like, I don't understand what's this person doing here and the reality is she's like always just listening to Cardi B music. But she's my cousin and I always have her route. And so that was it. She was kind of sitting a little bit away

but at the table it was just, it was really just the four of us until George left. And I will be honest, I did not know what to expect going into the room. I did not know if they were going to be open. I didn't know what Erica's energy was going to be like, if it was going to be more of an argument, if there was going to be legal threats. You guys were telling me not to drink water, so I didn't drink water while I brought my own water, but I didn't drink that water too. It was a lot. There's a lot going on, okay? And the conversation had started with Justice Strife very sensibly saying, what are we looking to accomplish here?

What is the actual aim of this conversation? And he was pretty clear. And Eric was very clear that they were sort of most upset with what I obviously a bit of a fever pitch. What I tweeted that it was a godforsaken company and people should not give money to it. And I have to own that. That's aggressive. That is actually. aggressive in the retrospect. I was very frustrated. And I don't know, I just, I felt like we weren't getting any answers. And there were so many lies. And then I was getting attacked for asking all meaningful questions that was within their capacity to answer. And I told you, I definitely my problem in life is that I can rise to anger very quickly. I shared with them that I really felt

like I was under attack for telling the truth from the very beginning, like casually when I mentioned the Catholicism thing. Like, what was that about? I was like, look, I say something in a tribute to him. Alex Clark and Andrew Colvette then jump onto a podcast, and they're doing that weird interview, which is clearly aimed at me. And they've teased the interview. It's like aimed at me, but they never say my name. And that, to me, felt like it was the first, I don't know, the first bit of mud that was slung. Which their answer for that was, hey, that was a really crazy time. A new system had to be put into place, and by no means, did Erica give any person the authority

to go out and say that the Catholicism thing was a lie? It kind of turned into this big thing. Whatever. Okay, that kind of obviously was not the meat of the reason that we wanted to sit down. I will say I was immediately refreshed by the fact that one of the first things that Erica did was she owned the lies. the lies or rather, I guess they would cage it as miscommunications that were coming from various people at the company. Like, this is a company with 650 people that are employed. Everybody at this

time is exceedingly emotional and they are communicating. And no matter what somebody says on Twitter, they assume that this communication has come down from management and that's not always a circumstance. But they owned right away, which felt great, that if you guys recall, we, Erica sat down with Glenn Beck. I actually missed this portion. Because I didn't get to watch the interview in its entirety, and we were pulling clips because a lot was coming out very quickly. But there was a portion that was going around that was viral. And it was Erica saying that she had Charlie's phone and that Charlie never texted anybody the night before saying that he thought that they were going to kill him. And that obviously reflected poorly on me because I was the one who said that he did, in fact, text multiple people the night before. And then, I went on Jimmy Door on Friday, Jimmy Door Show, and I clarified, I said, Andrew Colvette told me specifically that he was one of the people that received this text message. So I got that first person. I didn't get that from a source. I got that directly from Andrew Colvett. And then

somebody who had access to Dan Flood's communications said that Dan Flood similarly received a text message. They owned that right away and explained Erica said that she has Charlie's phone. She's looking at his eye messages, and it turns out that he, like everybody else, communicates on signal, he communicates on telegram, and that those, when she heard me say that, they then went and looked, and yes, that what I said was true. And Tricovat received a message the night before, and Dan Flood received a message the night before. Now, they asked me if I had actually, like, a concrete copy of what Dan Flood got the night before, and I said, no, somebody told me what it said, which was almost exactly what Andrew said, which is, they're going to kill me.

Andrew did not know who they were, the they that he was referring to, were. But they clarified that the message that Dan Flood received said the left is going to kill me. So I can't confirm that one way or the other. I have to trust them on that because I did not see that concrete message. I was told that it said they. Now, obviously, we discussed the moment, and I'm laughing here because you TikTokers are actually out of control. You guys are going to be the reason that Israel gets TikTok because you guys are acting a fool all the time. And the videos were so hilarious of you guys mocking the Barry Weiss interview. It's great. It's good to laugh at ourselves. And Barry Weiss is always worth laughing at. But I was sort of like, hey, I felt

name-checked by the podcaster, Candace Owens, this obvious setup and then asking me to stop. And it's interesting to hear Erica say that the reason she didn't ask me to stop in the beginning because she was actually learning things from the show. She was actually learning things. And that I think she similarly felt that Barry Weiss was trying to create a moment. Obviously, it's who Barry Weiss is. It's the Zionist lobby. She's trying to write perceived wrongs because I'm against her side. That does not surprise me. That's kind of why Barry Weiss exists. That's the reason they put her at CBS is because she's just committed to stacking the audience with people

that are going to present the pro-Israel cause and talk about anti-Semitism and talk about like crime being on the rise it's kind of an embarrassment but I actually do accept that and I should also clarify that Barry Weiss obviously picked those questions

they were not random like I told you it wasn't like people were coming to the mic and it was an open mic and they didn't know if they were going to get it was all very much planned by Barry but Erica said that she knew the general idea like they were going to mention me and mention the conspiracies and but she was not given that specific the podcaster Candace Owens question so I think that's fair to clear that up now I did not at all recant any of my suspicions and I understand people disagree with me about particular people

at Turning Point USA I communicated what I communicated in front of the whole world I my skin crawled after I spoke to Terrell Farnsworth the person who took the cameras down. He lied to me several times. I explained to them, which felt good to have that direct communication how Terrell lied multiple times and that I did not understand why he was there that day. They echoed what he said. They defended what he said that they were trying something new that day, that they typically live stream, which is what Terrell said. They typically live stream and I said every college event. Well, they said, well, yeah, they live stream the events that are tour stops, but they don't live stream like the outside prove me wrong type events. And that was

something that was new and it required Terrell. And I said, even if that was all real, if that was all true, I still didn't feel good about the conversation that I have with Terrell and I can't ignore my gut about the many little lies that he told. I thought the video he recorded was weird. I know he comes from a very powerful family. I just, I personally do not trust him. And I obviously do not like the fact that I said, you know, Tyler Boyer lied about this thing. and said, it came up with an excuse and said, well, Terrell was asked to take the camera down. That's the reason, he said on Twitter, because the police wanted him to take it down and secure the footage. And I said, I know that's not true. And they said, well, after all of that,

yeah, after he took the cameras down, there was a police officer or fed, whoever it was, that spoke to him and asked him to secure the footage. Well, that makes sense, but it's not a reason for why he took it down immediately. It makes sense that as you're investigating, you're going to say, who's got the footage, you know, let's lock it down. But it didn't make sense to me that Tyler Boyer lied about it. And I don't trust Tyler Boyer. And that does not, that is never going to change. Similarly with Rob McCoy, he makes my skin crawl. I can't explain it. This is a, I look at him and he's a bad person and nobody can make me feel one way or the other about that. I was surprised to learn. And this kind of gets into, I guess, us not knowing the inner working side turning point

USA, that Rob McCoy actually does not work with Turning Point USA in any capacity whatsoever. And so him communicating as he has done, like, I'm the pastor, I'm this, I'm that. It's just not real. Like, that is not real. And we should know that that's not real. And when he says that, call him out on that separately from Turning Point USA. I was operating under the assumption that he worked for Turning Point USA. And I said, obviously that's wrong. I'm happy to correct that. But also, what were we to assume when he hit the stage at the memorial and said, I'm America's pastor and then had the Wikipedia updated and said, well, I'm assuming he had it updated because who else would do that, that he started Turning Point USA Faith. So I guess to be clear,

we were just wrong about that. And I will have a lot more to say about Rob McCoy and where I believe he fits into a lot of things. So I'm not letting up on that. Now, one piece of this where I was, I still don't understand it. And the match. bullet okay now we all recall what happened i casually say on the show hey i saw the footage there was no blood and honestly when i when i said it i didn't process how big of a deal that was with the 30 out six very quickly what happens is andrew colvett whips up this this tweet about what happened with a bullet and he said he had he wanted to address all the discussion that was being had about the online chatter i'm obviously paraphrasing here he says i apologize it's going

to get graphic, but he spoke with the surgeon, the bullets should have gone through, the surgeon that explained that what he's typically seen on these wounds, and basically this was all a miracle. Charlie saved lives, even in death. And the internet clocked it, this miracle, the healthy bone, his bone was so healthy and the density was so impressed. Like, this is a quote, by the way, his bone was so healthy, I want to read it. This is allegedly from a surgeon, Quote, his bone was so healthy and the density was so, so impressive that he's like the man of steel. It should have gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too.

And we were just like, that kind of was like the beginning of the WTF, right? I feel like that was kind of the beginning of it. And immediately people in the comments responded to. Andrew, and he said, this individual said, this post is so fake as it would violate HIPAA. Like, there's patient privacy. You can't just call up the surgeon. And then Andrew Colbert replies and says, rest assured, I would not have posted without full permission. Now, he said he spoke to the surgeon.

And they confirmed that Andrew spoke to the surgeon, but that they did not know that he was going to write that tweet. They did not know that he called up the surgeon. so like it very much came across to be like Andrew was just flying by the seat of his pants I don't know like he was just flying dark on it and I was like that seems very strange to me

because why would a surgeon do that like the first thing the surgeon should say is I can't speak to you I don't even know in theory Andrew wasn't even there when Charlie died I don't even know why the surgeon even knows this guy actually maybe he hung around after but you know Andrew was not one of the people

that got to the hospital, anything like that. So this is quite literally the PR guy who's calling the surgeon. And so that just seems very inappropriate for a person to do, period. And I would say it was kind of the beginning. But that was what I got from that. Now, obviously, we discussed the security. I brought up Brian Harpole, this interview with Sean Ryan. And I think we can believe, turning point when they say that they did not approve of this.

had no idea he was going on Sean Ryan. I think that's pretty clear. I don't believe he works there anymore. So that was kind of him. Just getting out there and perhaps trying to rescue his own reputation. And I think that that only made his reputation worse, actually, because people rightfully sense that he wasn't telling the truth in that interview, that he was being cagey, that he was saying things that didn't make any sense. Again, you constantly have these people that believe, like Brian Harple, that with enough performance he can sit down and you're just going convince people that this is real and this is just a different time. Like I said, these TikTokers are out of control. They will check you in four seconds, okay? Things that, the biggest piece of this

that I want to communicate and that I did communicate to them, and I hope that they took me seriously on this, or rather that they take my strong advice on this. I said, one of the reasons why I really want to sit down is because I want to walk out of here and feel confident saying to my audience, hey, like, there's stuff going on behind the scenes, but Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. Like, that more will come out, but you can take it from me that this is what happened. I was looking to achieve that because there's been a lot of singling from various people, some people who are experts, some people who have been involved in cases that there's obviously going to be stuff that the public does not have access to. And so it is at least, at least,

plausible that they have seen very clear footage that we've been asking for of Tyler Robinson getting up there and taking the shot. Like they have access to UVU camera. So I was hoping to hear that. And I said that. I want to hear why people feel so confident at Turning Point USA that Tyler Robinson is the guy. And at this point, they elected to call the lawyer. Like, you know, their lawyer who is involved in this case, one of the lawyers that's involved in this case. There's always a team of lawyers, especially for something like this. And what I got from the lawyer did not make me feel that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. It did not make me feel confident that he didn't or did shoot Charlie Kirk. I was very surprised by this. He spoke a very long time.

I asked, you know, can you share with me what it is? And I said, when you share it with me, I will not say what that thing is. That's what we, if we want to protect the integrity of the case, I'm not going to, if you say, we've got the footage of him taking a shot, I promise I won't say that to the audience. But I will communicate to them. that you have something that is solid. And no, to the exact contrary, this guy effectively said, not effectively, he said that they have nothing but the affidavit. So what you have, what we have seen is what they have, what is being discussed publicly.

You are this whole like non-expert problem with like, well, you don't know. It's like what you read, his messages that don't have any dates on it, Tyler Robinson, writing out everything and the clean alibi, that's what they have. And what he explained to me was that that's the affidavit stage. That's where it's at. And then what takes place now is the investigation is ongoing, right? So right now they're looking for more information. And once investigators, they could very well have obviously footage.

And that is why they might feel that we're definitely going to get this prosecution. But the reality is they don't actually share that information with the victim. They don't share that information with Erica. In this part of the process, they will not know what investigators have discovered, this is what the lawyer told me, until May. Okay? They have not seen anything that you have not seen, is what I want you to know. So, with that in mind, I'm sitting here going, why are you signaling, why do I feel

the public's being gaslit on this? There's been nothing that's convincing. There are so many commentators who have gone out and said to you, it's overwhelming. The evidence is overwhelming. the text messages that don't have a date that don't even sound real, that's overwhelming. That, to me, feels really fake and gay. I really do want to say that to every commentator that is out there trying to tell the public and insisting that if you say it enough times it would become real, you're actually just being

dishonest. And I offered that a more honest way to communicate would be to say, we think he's involved. We feel strongly. I've said that. I think he's involved. we are very hopeful that throughout this investigation we are going to get that concrete thing

and that's where we're at right now that's just the stage that we are at that is not what we are getting from them that is like I just feel like that's really important to let you guys know let the gaslighting stop they have what you have okay there is nothing else they are in an investigative

stage Erica has been named as the victim they will know more in this May hearing which is the probable cause hearing that's what the lawyer told me It's a probable cause hearing. And that's when they will see the evidence. That's when they get to present the evidence why they are going to stand there before the judge and be like, yes, we need to move this forward.

It's not just an affidavit. We're not pulling together scraps. We have concrete evidence. Until then, until we all get on the same page and understand what else they have, I am very confident stating the opposite of all of my, I guess, well-paid peers in that I don't believe that Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger. And what I also said to them was, and I said this in front of the lawyer, because I I don't know why I'm like this. I was like, you might need a new lawyer. I was like,

because this person's trying to sell to you that this is solid, one of the rules that me and my husband have is that if you have a lawyer that tells you, like, you're 100% going to win. It's very, it's very clear that you're going to win. You need to do a lawyer. Okay, that's a cheerleader. It's not, that's not a lawyer. Even if you, you should 100% win, should be telling you the risks here. You know, I feel good about this case. Like, let me talk real to you. I feel good about this case. But here's where things could go wrong. I want you to understand the those risks that are involved. We don't have this yet. We don't have that yet. And especially given what I told them, which is I'm the only, your lawyers or the investigators, rather,

not their lawyers, because they're not the ones investigating. It's the state of Utah that's investigating. They have not called the one solitary person, as I told you guys, who filmed as he was on the roof. Remember the guy that's like, oh, there's somebody on the roof and he sees him crouched down, I said, I spoke to that person and his testimony would be devastating to your prosecution. He did not, he saw the person on the roof. He filmed the person on the roof at 12, 23 p.m. And he did not see that person take the shot. And this is not some random student. This is a guy who trains people to shoot guns at a range. He knows guns. Okay. He saw, he said what he saw was a smaller gun. He said that this person was dressed in black tactical gear and there was no recoil.

that's devastating to that would be devastating to the prosecution and yet investigators haven't reached out now they offered back well maybe they haven't reached out because they have an even clearer video and that's that's true that's actually a good rebuttal they're like we don't even have to talk to this guy because the video will speak for itself and we saw we saw what we saw there's a okay but wouldn't you still want to speak to the other guy so you could prepare I don't know to to question him something I don't like if this investigation is going on and I've apparently, or I feel as though I spoke to more people than they have. I spoke, both of the people who filmed videos that day told me that they weren't reached out to.

So I don't, I don't understand what's happening here. I don't understand the confidence, I guess, is the best way to say this. I told them, I do not understand the confidence that is happening. Now, another really big thing that happened was, they brought me Mikey's call locks, okay? They brought me Mikey's call logs. And that is why I said, this was a productive. meeting there is no other way to say it I asked every question and they came with paperwork to show and to answer and to explain certain things also which was I thought actually kind of sweet

that I guess I'm you know I did on the previous show I was like kind of looking at things into Mikey and I couldn't find him and someone said I think Mikey's not his like real name like they thought it was his middle name actually and I just assumed okay well maybe he's using his middle name and that's why I can't find him but Mikey really wants you guys to know that is his real name And it is his real name. I found out shortly thereafter that they were confusing his middle name with, they thought it was switched.

That Michael is his real name. Just to clarify that, because I realized I actually didn't go back and clarify that. But Mikey's callag. Big piece of this, okay? I'm going to, I guess, jogger memory on what Blake said

about Mikey that day and then I'll tell you what actually happened because I don't think Blake has that rate of a memory. Okay, take a listen. so I was not with Mikey or I don't remember being with him I think I was ahead of him as we left

and then we get out and I run for it must have been more than 15 or 20 seconds and then I realize there hasn't been another shot so the shooter has likely been detained or stopped or something not in immediate danger I pause I look around me and I see Mikey

and I see Mikey there and I'll never truthfully I will never forget what I saw because I've seen Mikey almost every day for the past two years I know his personality very well he's a very bubbly guy he's a very happy guy almost all of the time and I'll never forget what I saw

because it was clear in the moment that he was profoundly freaked out what I'll always remember is the way his lip was quivering which I'd never seen before and you very rarely see from someone that he was freaking out

and then I think he literally said to me I might be imagining this but I think what he literally said was he's in that he was looking around and then he was looking around and then he says I need to call Erica and then he takes his phone

and he begins calling Erica and I don't want to disclose how that call unfolded but he did that this you know your mind extends all of this but that is happening within a minute of all of this occurring I remember he calls Erica I around the same time I pull out my phone

and I call my mom just to say mom there's been a shooting you're going to seat on the news I'm okay you know pray for me I've got to go And I remember that call. And around the time, I put that phone away. And then he immediately calls his dad. He calls Rob McCoy.

And he says, dad, someone shot Charlie. You need to call all of your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We need everyone to pray right now. And that's what he told him. Okay, so that's just not right. And so when he says, I might be imagining this for I'll never forget, followed by I might be imagining this probably means that maybe you forgot and like you

really could be imagining. Now, for me, personally, I think the normal physiological response in these high adrenaline situations for most people is you lock in. They're literally your body when it goes through something, when it's terrified, it's going through the sort of like you are really paying attention to details. We've learned about this many times over in health class growing up. This is why they talk about that fight or flight response and quite literally there's stuff happening to your body. And so there's a lot of details here that are just just not accurate. And the one that surprised me the most about these call logs is I certainly feel that we were given the impression over and over and over again that the first person Mikey called was Erica,

right? He called Erica. He was, we were told this by many people also that he was, he trained, like, he almost like went to a camp and trained. And Charlie was like, one, two, three, go. And like, fast, one did you go, go, go, go. That's why he walked away. What did we go? And just told him, this is what the first thing you do is, well, he didn't do that. Actually, the first thing, person he called was his wife. He called Elizabeth McCoy. And then he stayed on the phone with his wife for 10 minutes. And during those 10 minutes, he three-wayed Erica three minutes after the shot went off. And then he three-ways his father. And then he three-ways a third person who I'm not interested in mentioning because it's not relevant. This is Danny McCoy, by the way, is his

brother that's in the military. But that's before the shot goes off. Charlie Kirk shot goes off, you know, I have that in detail. Charlie's brought to security. Mikey McCoy calls his wife. They will stay on the phone for 10 minutes. Okay? In that same minute, because we know this, because Blake Neff has given us his call log to his mother.

Blake Neff called his mom. His call with his mother lasted 45 seconds. So we're assuming it went to 1225. It very well could have stayed in 1224, depending on the millisecond. Blake Neff ends that phone call with his mother. Mikey McCoy, after the phone call with his mother, ends,

calls Erica to the phone. Okay, so that, when he was recapping and he's like, oh, his lips quivering,

and he's like, I got to call Erica. And he's like, and then I called my mom. That's not right. That's just not right. Okay.

Mikey called Erica after Blake Neff ended that phone call with his mother. If call logs are to be believed above, you know,

human testimony. Mikey McCoy then drops Erica from the phone call two minutes later, and then he adds his father to the phone call. Again, he is this entire time on the phone with his wife. Okay. And then Mikey McCoy

ends his phone call with his father. He does call another person who I'm not mentioning because it's just not relevant to anything, you know, not a character in the story rather. And then he ends the phone call with his wife. And a minute later, his brother calls him back and they stay on the phone for 10 minutes. I did not get this from everybody speaking about this Mikey McCoy Collag. I know that you guys did not get this. I did not get this. I don't know why she was disappeared from this. Like you could go. The wife wants privacy. No, she was like, you know, main stage at the memorial has been, you know, I would say very involved in a lot of this kind of, you know, like I think it's very close that she's close with Erica. They went on the vacation together. So I just, I don't get

this disappearing act. I found that to be like, okay, but, but they were forthcoming with it. That feels good. That feels good, guys. Like, wow, we can, we don't have to guess. Now we have solid answers. And like I said, when you come out and give solid answers and you're not weird and calling people names and saying all this stuff, it allows people to go, okay, I feel a bit more like we can trust this process because we have communication. That's the reality. And so, So I just, I wanted to update you with that. Also, another thing that really, I think, surprised them and I think surprised me is getting back to this Hampton's retreat. The thing about the Hampton retreat and I communicated this with them that makes me so uncomfortable is how many little lies were told.

I think I've been clear about that. Like Seth Dillon definitively pressed Charlie at this event. whether it was in a hypothetical, which it was in a hypothetical, but he got fired up in the hypothetical of Charlie discussing potentially tweeting something against BB Netanyahu. It did lead to this firecracker moment. Again, this is one of those things where I go, why am I always being held out to dry, like hung out to dry for telling people the truth? Especially when I wasn't going, oh, well, Seth Dillon killed Charlie Kirk. I just, like, this happened. It factually happened. And yet everybody's kind of putting out these weird statements. And they're not

being honest in them and I was saying to them that made me feel really weird and I would love to know more and about this BB Net and Yahoo offer to fund turning points of the next level at which point Erica said she was not aware of that happening. It is obviously totally possible that that was kept in the business lane of Turning Point USA but I'm certain. I said I am absolutely certain that I did not get this from an obscure source that Bibi offered to fund turning point to the next level. And it was part of my frustration with that sit down with Alex Clark where Andrew said, oh, there was not $150 million that's made up. You know, I told them. Andrew Colvett was my source. Andrew Colvett told me verbatim that Bibi Netanyahu

offered to take turning points to the next level and that Charlie turned that money down. So I said there's a bit of a predicament when I'm being like lambasted by all of these voices. and people that are attacking me and these paid campaigns and when I say paid yes, okay, actually have the names of people different ways they're being paid. Some are being paid by PR firms.

Too many are being paid by Prager University which is upsetting to me because I know Marissa and it's just dirty. But it's especially crazy when people are calling it a conspiracy when I share things that are told to me from the spokesperson of Turning Point USA. Okay?

That's weird. And yes, they were forthcoming. Nobody's ever denied this. So this was not on our list of lies about the fact that D.B. Netanyahu did call him. Okay, that did happen. Bibi shared that, by the way. Our source for that could have just as well been B.B. Netanyahu. And not a lot of clarity on, I don't know, why some people think he didn't make this offer

and why definitively three different sources who would have knowledge of this confirmed to me that Bibi Netanyahu did indeed make this offer. I never said $150 million ever, not once on the show. I wouldn't have even said that, by the way. If you said take turning point to the next level, I actually would have assumed it was more, I'm being honest. That's like that's a hefty offer, and it leads to a lot of questions. So there was not a lot of clarity there.

Lastly, I want to add, of course, I was locked in this meeting when people, odd lie, were another round of debunking the Egyptian plains. I want to be very clear. we discussed the Egyptian planes and I have since worked on an incredible document about the Egyptian planes which we are going to put up on our websites because I realized that when we sent that when we shared that spreadsheet people assumed that one of the columns which was actually saying where the planes landed on that day because it was plus or minus three days was exactly where Erica had been on that day and that was inaccurate and so for clarity I had

been working on the last week on turning it into an interactive timeline that we can put up on our website because I'm certain that these Egyptian planes are incredibly shady and that they were, in fact, tracking Turning Point USA faith broader events. Of course, Erica was at some of them, Charlie was at some of them. But the pattern here is undeniable. So let the naysayers and people make videos trying to, what do we fifth round, debunk these planes. I also want to say to you that I feel very confident that I know why these planes have caused such panic. And it is because there is overwhelming evidence that these planes regularly fly in and out of Israel. And I'm going to present that evidence tomorrow. I say that strongly. This is the, like,

I feel very confident saying these Egyptian planes are flying in and out. And notice I'm saying planes because once I was able to connect people that were on those planes onto other Egyptian planes, I was able to realize that these planes are flying in and out of Israel and turning their transponder off each time that they do it. That is now makes perfect sense of why there was this mass panic, right? It's not exactly like we have a strong Egyptian lobby in the United States. Now we're like, whoa, well, those darn Egyptians again are trying to get TikTok censored. I mean, every person in the game, Barry, acting. Well, these are the usual suspects that act if something is a threat to Israel, okay, which is they should have just been forthcoming, pretended that it was changing apart.

Instead, they're trying to gaslight us and they're actually, frankly, just pissing me off. So I became locked in on these Egyptian planes because that's how I am. Okay, you keep pushing me and keep pushing me. I will become an expert on these planes. I'll learn how to build an Egyptian plane. The reality is, like I said, tomorrow I will show you how these planes tie back to Israel. And there's no disprovingness. So more on that later.

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So we want to be accurate. I don't know why I assumed it was Danny McCoy in my head. I may have done that. Okay, another thing, you guys have may have been noticing that we are getting into this weird space where they seem to be almost writing like Candice Owen's fan fiction. I can't even reply to things

and a lot of you sense that this was because we were getting close. I agree. I fully agree that these attacks which have grown hysterical. Like, I can't even begin to tell you the conversations between me and my PR person, I'm like, just, there's nothing to respond to. I mean, there's not even one sentence of this that is true.

Case in point, by the way. New York Post does this article today. It was, we were actually laughing, okay? Like, inside Candace Owens' sadistic and dangerous world, monetizing baseless conspiracies. This is after, by the way, they changed my husband's Wikipedia. said that he was a Qatari, like he had a Qatari passport or citizenship. I don't think my husband's ever even flown over a Qatar. I could be wrong. But I don't think he's,

I know he's never been to Qatar. I don't think he's ever flown over Qatar. And they're just making it up and then they make it trends no matter what it is. And I'm like, this is happening. It's like a psychological operation because they're trying to keep us constantly responding as opposed to focusing on our investigation, which is why I spent this weekend and I just kept down on the Egyptian planes because it's, it's completely crazy. And when you see a media storm like this. It can only be happening because Zionists are locking arms and going attack, attack, attack, because they by and large control the media. They just do, okay? One way or the other, Zionists control the empire medias. And they are scared about something in this investigation.

We've noticed that from the very beginning. So they wrote in this article, the New York Post, just to give you an example of how insane this is, they said they had an inside source that told them that while I was at the Daily Wire, I just fought with people from the very source. source that in my first week, I threw my car keys at a producer and expected them to park my car. That sentence genuinely made me laugh so hard because I never once, in the entire time that I worked for the Daily Wire, did I ever drive my car to work? Okay? I just didn't, they had a driver that took me there. So I don't know why I would suddenly take the driver's keys and then throw it at somebody, but quite literally, I never drove through Daily Wire. So

is when I say fan fiction, I'm like, this is fan fiction. Secondly, they say I did that to a producer and that I conducted, demanded others do my research. Could not be further from the truth. I have always, always done my own shows. I can't read a script. I riff my shows. I think that's pretty obvious that I demanded a huge studio, attempted to use their PR firm, to get the cover of people magazine.

like full fan fiction. There's not even a shred. I don't even think we ever had a conversation of People magazine because that would not be a normal outlet for any conservatives that I wanted to be on the cover of people is insane.

And they said that their sources also said that like my team hated me. My team came with me when I got fired. My whole team's here. So I was just going, okay, what is happening here? Why are we talking about?

guitar, why are they making these things up? And I have come to the same conclusion as you. It is because we are, we are dangerously close to something. I think we have to keep pushing on the Wachuka Air Base, which we are doing. And tomorrow, we are going to get back into the investigation. We're just going to ignore a noise because, as I have said, and as I have maintained, I believe that Charlie was betrayed by people that are close to him. And I asked that question in the meeting. I'm like, okay, if we can agree that everyone around, I was like, I know there people at turning point they're not good people right and it's it's feasible that people if they have addictions that you know you can definitely get yourself in a scenario where you are willing to sell

somebody out this is a massive organization how can we so confidently state that nobody had anything to do here uh to do with um anything here and i think that's one of the things that Erica was like well about like a feminist and i didn't want the vibe of that which i think it did come across it like a bit of a feminist to say like this is all my family i'm like how could this all be your family I know people in this family, and they're not good people. I wouldn't even do that with my own family, okay? I got people in my family like we all do, you know, who aren't exactly walking a straight arrow in life.

And yeah, so I've communicated that. I have not changed my position on that. I am not going to stop researching the characters in this that I don't feel good about. But further to sort of them just creating and making things up, Tim Poole has now gone out and extraordinarily claimed that I have the same security as Charlie Kirk and that I have a fraud and actually

I have the exact same security. You will recall that Tim just said a week ago that I have no security. Okay, this is Tim Poole a week ago. She is burning everything down and she's gloating and smiling while she does it. And you know what you fucking told me? She has no security.

She doesn't deal with the shit we have to deal with. She's a piece of shit. She has security just not on the level of you. Oh, yeah, the one fat guy you mentioned with no wall and no barrier in a suburban neighbor with neighbors. She doesn't give two f***. No one's out for her. She's lying about all of this.

You told me, you went to her house, and she's got a four-foot wall and one fat guy. And she doesn't give a shit about our security. So that was like Tim last Monday. This is Tim, who said I had no security except for one fat guy, which I told you was not true. Now he's saying this. Take a listen. Okay, I'll say things that I probably shouldn't say, but I'm going to say because I always get superheated on this. Candice Owens has the same security team as Turning Point and Charlie Kirk did.

She's lying. She has the same security people. I've been digging into this. I've been meeting with people and talking with them. And I shouldn't say too much because there's more that's going to be coming out soon because rest assured, people are filing legal paperwork against her. Candice has the same security team or has used the same security companies and the same security personnel as Charlie and Erica did. so when she comes out and is questioning them she is lying outright now i've invited many of these people to come on we'll see what happens we'll see when they can the issue is the moment canis

goes on her show to millions of people and lies litigation begins and what happens when litigation begins people don't do interviews about about it she is exploiting this and she knows she is to keep people wrapped up in this insanity he tim versus tim undefeated. And what I will also say is that's all a lie. It's just, it's, that's what I'm, it's almost like they have just sent a call, like they're getting too close and just said, I don't care what you write. I don't care if it's complete fiction. Make it believable. Say her husband beats her. Say her, like, it's coming after my husband. They're coming after me. And they're making stuff up. I have never employed the same security team as Charlie Kirk ever. We went our separate

ways early, actually back, there was, like, it's obviously been publicized. before he had Schaefer Security, and Schaefer security, which was run by Greg Schaefer, who has issued a public statement. They had Dan Flood and Brian Harpool working for them initially. I told Charlie I did not like the security apparatus. I got my own securities separate from Charlie from the very beginning, okay? That's a fact. It just is a fact. There's no way to undo that fact. Trying to do this strategy of you're going to get sued, it's just threatening somebody. If there was any truth to that, you can't just file legal paperwork. You have to send a cease desist, you have to say, something you said on your show was untrue, can you please correct

this? Okay? And if I ignore that, as I did with Brigitte, because I told the truth, as I did with Kim Klese, because I told the truth, then you have the grounds to file something. We have received no cease and desist from Charlie's security whatsoever. Over what? I mean, the audacity that you're filing a lawsuit and someone got murdered on your watch, because I accurately said that the Brian Harpole, the message he showed belonged to Dan Flood, it did, and that they didn't do a walk through on that day. They didn't. Like, and if something I'm getting wrong and you'd like to show me that actually you did, send it, send it over. We're only interested in getting to the truth and we're not getting it. Uh, we're certainly not expecting to get it from Tim Poole. That is,

that is crazy. That's, that's just crazy town. But I do think that that is right now a design a strategy. And that's why I want to encourage you guys to stay focused, uh, Wachuka, which we're going to have a lot on tomorrow, uh, because there's, there is something there. and I think that that caused a panic as well as the Egyptian planes, which I am telling you, go back, relate to Israel and I will be able to prove that tomorrow

for all of the naysayers. And again, it's only because this is how they act. They always overreact and then it lets us know that we are close. They are like an alarm. They are just an alarm.

Something else that I wanted to show you, by the way, I thought we were not supposed to be doing live streams while we were speaking, but Turning Point, I guess, has their daily show, but I didn't feel like if that was communicated to me. It felt like a ceasefire and then it had violated.

But they had an interesting conversation on their show yesterday. I'm a Charlie Kirk show about this trial, the upcoming trial, about Tyler Robinson. And here is what they had to say. Take a listen. So this is straight from the charging document. It says Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male, who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views.

In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at UVU, which Robinson said was a, quote, stupid venue for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate. And when you see how easy that rooftop access is, you start to kind of put one-on-one together, and you realize that Robinson had a plan that he was going to ultimately take advantage of. And he obviously knew how easy it was to get up to that rooftop, which is terrifying. It really is. And look, you know, one of the other things that's being pushed around for a long time was that, you know, you, TPSA, both the local chapter and you guys, didn't advertise this event until a couple days prior to. Now, the insinuation there is that that doesn't give Tyler enough time to plan for this. And what we found out with a little bit of, I don't know, 20, not even five minutes of Googling and looking, look, you guys had already put out on your website as early as August 27th.

So we have at least almost a full two weeks prior to this that not only the time of the event, but the location, the exact location of the UVU courtyard. So when you have over 10 days of planning, and it sounds like that Tyler already was familiar with the campus to begin with, like a lot of the mystery of this starts to go out the window and it starts to really conform with what is exactly being proposed by the state of Utah and the FBI in the charging documents. Yeah, and we can attest, you know, Andrew Seifer, who's our head of field, you know, Charlie sometimes throw the events out, you know, seven, 10 days in advance of something opened up in his schedule, he would be able to do these outdoor events, a pretty

quick turn. And so those whole, that whole theory kind of goes out the window. So unless I am mistaken, and I am not perfect, but I do feel like we worked really hard to see when this location was first revealed. The first time that we found that the courtyard was mentioned, because Charlie speaking at events, your assumption would be there inside, right? You have no idea where it is. So it's not like you can see whether you have a shot to the courtyard, unless you know Charlie speaking in the courtyard. The earliest that we found that was on September 2nd, the local media mentioned on KMIU that Charlie was speaking at UVU in the courtyard. Okay? That's the first time that we found this. If I am wrong, please tag me because what

he's referring to on August 27th that happened, which we have on our timeline as well, and this is why I love a timeline, is that TPUSA, UVU, and the local BYU chapter shared a graphic announcing that Charlie was coming to UVU, but there were absolutely no location details mentioned. So that actually does shred the idea that he could have practically gone and scaled rooftops before September 2nd. That's the first public mention is September 2nd. So they announced the event on August 27th, as he says, no location details. And then on September 2nd, there are location details provided by local media for the first time.

prove me wrong okay prove me wrong if that is if I'm inaccurate because I do think that we were thorough on that I will update my timeline if not it does then go beg the question surely they must have footage after September 2nd of him testing the rooftop in some capacity to then realize oh it's going to be an outdoor event this is this is an opportunity for me to go after him we are waiting for that and like I said I was told that They don't have anything that the public doesn't have. So it's not obvious to me. I don't think it's obvious to the public.

Now, I do want to get to Viva Vrae, who had this to say regarding drones. Oh, sorry, I mean, sorry, regarding the text messages from Tyler Robinson. A lot has been made about these text exchange that have gone back, that went back and forth between Robinson and his lover, his trans, furry, gay lover, whatever. And people say it doesn't sound right, doesn't sound right. Well, there is a video that I want everybody to check out by Turkey Tom. I believe you've watched it now, Viva, where, and this has been authenticated as somebody was in the Discord chats with them and apparently spent time with them at this apartment. And he said, 100% this is how they talked, which is a striking finding.

We're going to go into that more probably tomorrow or the next day, depending on how today goes. But, I mean, I get the skepticism on this. At first, it struck me, too. But apparently, this is how they talk, Viva. That was not the most implausible thing to believe. Okay, so you have a text message. It does read, regardless of whether or not this is how they talk, people saying they were manufactured by or drafted by AI.

To the extent that they're confirmed text messages, you can, you know, come to whatever conclusions you want after that. But whether or not this is how they talk, regularly, to the extent that those were authentic text messages, they show what they show, which is whether or not his lover was aware of what was going on, you're etching bullets, and it's maybe not for target practice of a sporting nature. But when I say I don't believe the official narrative, and you have to go back to a number of things here, I put my sort of best theory as to what went down.

I want to know who was on the Discord chat in advance, what they were discussing, and whether or not there might have been some other foreign, I say foreign, not foreign government, but outer influence there. Tyler Robinson is getting radicalized right about the same time as Thomas Crooks, right about the same time as the other guy, Ryan Ruth. You know, he's being radicalized at a politically relevant period of time, right around the same time, oddly enough as the alleged suspect in the January 6th pipe bomber, you know, a time frame where political violence is potentially very useful in, you know, for the upcoming election. So the timeframe of the radicalization is very interesting. To see what

or not he was on anybody's radar beforehand. We don't yet know that and why there would not be confirmation on that can lead to suspicion. You remember the old man, George Zinn, arrested for claiming to be the shooter of the day of and then gets busted for CP on his phone. Like, in my mind, if I'm making a plausible theory here, George Zinn was probably on some discord chat with a bunch of young perverts and he's an old pervert and he's getting off doing whatever they do on those chats. He knows what's going down. He shows up there and thinks he's going to be some useful decoy or distraction for Tyler Robinson because they know what's going down. That's my theory, but, you know, it is the absence of total disclosure, the total lack of faith

that anybody has not just in the FBI per se, but in any state law enforcement. Nobody has any faith in our institutions anymore. And it leads people to go from, you know, healthy skepticism to just not believing it to concocting the most outlandish conspiracy theory is imaginable. But then those text messages, you can understand how they will cause people to come to those types of conclusions. And, you know, allegedly the rumors are Cash Patel, you know, getting mad at Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Kent for trying to look into a potential terrorist angle to this also does nothing to foment faith in the system. Look, I think it's what he's saying there is perfectly valid. And we can all surmise about what we think happened that day.

We can also ignore the fact that I broke the story that the nurses were told at Utah Valley. which treated George Zinn, everyone's just ignoring the things that I broke. She has no evidence, but he said, he told the nurses that he was paid to do that. So whatever, we can all theorize, which we're going to do in the absence of any concrete facts. But I will say it's good that Turning Point is at least giving that error, right?

I feel before, I think that might even be the first time Andrew Hulvet has expressed that he thought that those messages were weird initially. That's good. That's what people want. They want fresh air at Turning Point USA. They want different perspectives. They want to feel like you're willing to have a conversation. And that at least you're going to defend.

people when they're being called liars when they're telling the truth about something. That would feel more authentic, I think. And so I am, just to say this, very happy that we are on much better feet and that we have opened the lines of communication. I do genuinely think that Justin Strife did a great job reffing that conversation yesterday. And I also do want to shout out Megan Kelly because we were trying to make this happen in the background really since Blake Neff fumbled the first invite. And thank you. That's in large part. because of you guys at home that were like, what the F was that? And I think that they got enough flack that they were like, okay, we got to fix this. But I want to commend him for making

that happen for being the person that, you know, kind of rolled up his sleeves and was like, okay, let's actually make a conversation happen and start answering some questions, which I think was done well. And Megan Kelly, who was initially going to, when we were going to live stream the conversation, before the Barry Weiss moment, Megan Kelly offered to ref that conversation. I felt like she would have done a very good job. I do think that she has kept it very even. and hysterical and it's demonic, it's evil, how dare Candace. And I appreciated that. She has said, I don't agree with Candace, but I also don't think that she's doing this because she's been possessed by a demon. I think she actually believes these things. And I do. And I have a right to

believe those things. And I don't feel any differently about the people that I mentioned on this show that I think are shady at Turning Point USA. And with time, we'll see whether or not I was right. I think that's really what it comes down to. But all around, definitely a productive conversation. I know it's four hours, so more things will come to my mind as they become relevant, but I think that that's a good pause for right now without some of our sponsors. All right, you guys, so for many families, the holidays means excitement and also a little bit of stress. Between gifts, travel, and higher prices, it's easy to feel overwhelmed, especially if you're already relying on credit cards to cover the basics.

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Purge store will also gift you a free colon cleanse with a purge subscription to help you dislodge and flush everything out of your system. That's promo code Candace at purge store.com. Okay, a couple of housekeeping items, you guys, if you want to buy Make Him a Sandwich in time for Christmas, you can do that on Amazon. If you want a discount, you can buy it direct from us at Make Him a Sandwich.com. You will actually get 20% off. And we also have signed copies available at Candace Owens.com. So be sure to do that. We have new merch on the website, which also makes great Christmas gifts. Obviously, we have a lot of fun merch going on right now. Of course, we have our, we don't know, but we know merch. And we have our CIA merch, which we've had for some time. Again, it's the holiday season. So go ahead and run and get that. Top comment from last episode. You better keep asking questions because it's the only thing that keeps us free. That is a direct quotation from Charlie Kirk. And that's why we're doing it. It does keep us free. And we're all sensing the squeeze. It's like they just want our speech. They want to purchase rational thinking. We can't allow that to happen.

Okay, from this episode, Kerbster writes, I am praying that our girl is playing the ultimate long game while staying true to her convictions and true toward all of us who have backed her and Charlie from the beginning. I am praying that God keeps you strong, righteous and faithful in every step that you take. May God save America and protect us all. I want to say this to you guys just plainly. If I was going to sell out, it would have happened in the last two years, okay? those offers were made, those threats were made. I hope you have seen what I have gone through to keep myself, really. I was fighting to stay me.

And it was hard. And that it made me really appreciate the fact that we do live in a matrix. And every element is controlled. And that is why they are vicious right now with making up things about me and my family. Because now that I chose freedom, they hate that I have freedom. They hate that there's no more threats to make. Right. So they're just embarking on this fan fiction campaign.

but especially for the people that I care about in life, right? Especially for people whose heads I have held up, who have held up my head through really hard times like Charlie did, that I would just sell out to like the highest bidder and go, okay, well, you know, what Bibi offered me a lot of money, so I'm going to stop talking about this, and I'm no longer going to explore this angle or I'm going to, you know, to repeat to you guys,

it was definitely Tyler Robinson. It's just not in my character. I have always been the kind of person. that knows that it's not worth living life that way. You just, my whole spirit would be corrupted. I just, I couldn't do it. I struggle with people that can do it. I struggle seeing people who have so obviously sold their souls on the internet.

It's very frustrating to watch it. Central 848 writes, Canis, please look into the possibility that Charlie was electrocuted and that the hole in his neck was made by the currents passing through his necklace and out of his throat. The images of his charred hands are conclusive and compelling. please, for love of God, look into this. I did watch that video that Baron Coleman put together.

First of the most, I want to say, Baron Coleman has done some incredible work, and I actually told him that we should get together and collaborate because I had watched a video of his where he was building on Camp Wachuka, and he made me notice some things. Then we started researching some other elements, that's what we're going to move on to tomorrow.

I can tell you definitively, that's a weird camera angle. They do look charred in the photos that he showed, but I can tell you that his hands were not charred when he was buried. And so what you thought, like people were like, oh, this was like makeup and stuff. It was a very compelling theory.

It just wasn't so. And I very much trust the person that told me that. But that said, the Baron Coleman, if you have not seen the episode where he builds on what I said about Camp Wachuka, that is worth the watch. He kind of suggests in that episode, which I want to shut down, he suggests that, I think he heavily suggests that it could have been the VIP on that, on the base, Vance on the base. and I did then research, because I was like, oh, wow, wow, was he right? There's actually video events, so it could not have been Vance on the base. Again, I'm getting ahead of ourselves here. We should talk about more of that tomorrow.

But that is a very compelling video that he did, which was fantastic work. And I do want to collaborate with him. Maybe we'll do it this week or next week. Or next week, Christmas, I guess, I don't know. We'll figure it out. Jenna writes, your true fans had no doubts about you whatsoever. Merry Christmas to you. I was like, are you new here?

Girl, I have been maimed, fired caricature. who I'm watching right now. My family go through that right now because they are so desperate. And I just think we're close to an awakening and really understanding what real evil is. So we're going to keep pushing. Zachary Loft writes long time listener, first time donor. Why wasn't the combo live? Why is Brandon Tatum the only creator that you follow on both IGs? That was two questions. Okay, the first thing, why wasn't the combo live? It was first intended to be live. They did say, obviously, you saw the offer Blake Neff made, which was not a true offer. But then what came behind that was Erica communicated. with Megan Kelly and me. Megan Kelly was kind of the intermediary. We were trying to find someone that was fair, like I said earlier. And then obviously it sort of felt like it got a bit uglier the next week.

And I sort of felt, and I think it was fair, that then she went on this press tour and it was kind of directed at me. So then they said, okay, well, by the day, I mean, Justin Strife kind of said, the temperature's a little hot right now. What about we do like an off,

not an off-record conversation, but have a private conversation. And I actually will say, I wished it was live, but I will also say I am glad that some parts warrant because I was then able to tell them some things that I have not yet said that I wanted to, like, fact check and get some answers on, but also to say something to them that I found out that I didn't say because I didn't want to hurt the company in a way, right? So some of this is very relevant to Charlie's research and what happened on 9-10 and some of it is not. So we got to, I guess, have a better, that portion of the conversation I think was better off camera. but I was always open and am still open to live streaming with them whenever, truly. Like whenever, you guys know, I'm an open book.

So it wasn't my demand that it be private. I was happy to do a live stream. But I think Justin thought that it would be better if after, just so we could kind of bring the temperature town, which I think was very much accomplished. Temperature was definitely brought down. Zachary Loft wrote longtime listener for, oh, sorry, I just read that. Mr. Bruce Lee writes, people in the chat. Many other channels are not hearing what they want to hear.

so it's automatically, well, Candace got paid. The chats are so botted. It's better to actually look at comments after the episode to see what people think. We've had so many people talk about how there are so many bots in the chat. And so focus on obviously the words that I am saying. And obviously, you can tell that I have not been paid because I wouldn't be talking about Israel. And I think there's something to explore there. We'll get into that tomorrow.

One Will Wallace writes, pretty clear to me that Kirk was murdered because of his voice and influence. here's some support toward that security detail. Thank you very much. It's obvious that these people will stop at nothing to silence someone. Continue to stand 10 toes down for the truth. But please be careful. God bless you, Candace. Thank you. That is actually a tremendous donation. Thank you for guys who have been giving these donations, which have gotten bigger because you're concerned about security. And I think everybody after a trial court assassination is more concerned about security. It's discussion that my husband and I are having more and more. And that's why it feels especially disgusting when someone like Tim Poole is trying to signal to people, at attacker. Like he's basically trying to signal to people that her security's weak or like he's using the same security as Charlie, all of these things like he is trying to put into the air that he wants me to be attacked. That's how I'm taking this because why is he making my security a theme on his show? I don't trust that at all. And I don't know what's guiding that. Real Bayes writes, how would Erica and the feds not see those messages? That makes zero sense to me. I think you're referring to the messages that Charlie got the night before.

Yeah, she didn't, we didn't discuss whether the feds had received those messages. I will say that. We did not discuss that. But we did discuss, she obviously said that she did not see those messages. So I'm going to read the rest of your comment. How would Erica and the feds not see those messages? That makes zero sense. Erica, Brian Harpole, and so many others caught in these lies, this is what you fished for.

Why go soft? That doesn't make sense. Also heard that we're chilling with TPSA members at Tucker's Party. That's another more fan fiction. I have no idea what that was about. You're referring to a person who went and said that Candace was hanging out with TPSA and Tucker and Marjorie Taylor Green at Tucker's Christmas Party. To my knowledge, I did not see any turning point USA employees. I did not have a conversation with any tenant turning point USA employees.

To my knowledge that I did not see them, it's a massive party. I had never had beef with Tucker. That's why I was at a Christmas party. And I've never had beef with Marjorie Taylor Green. So, yeah, I spoke to them. I didn't, that's what I mean. It's like the attacks are just every second of every day accusing me of something. and the implication there was like I was like sitting on the side laughing and enjoying a beer with Terrell Farnsworth and Tyler Boyer.

I am sure, because Tucker obviously has a good relationship with them, that there were some Turning Point USA employees. I didn't speak to them. I didn't speak to them, to my knowledge. I did not speak to them. So I said, I actually responded and I said to the person, why don't you publish who you're talking about? You don't have to, like, everyone's, like, beating around the bush. Like, I can't say what I know about her security. Say it. Because you're lying, okay? If you say you know something about how I'm actually secretly laughing with Turning Point USA, speak plainly. I have nothing to hide. I am not the person who's playing any games right now. So if you're going to call me out, go all the way, okay?

Go Max on calling me out because if I'm a fraud, the public sure as hell deserves to know it. And you're not going to find me in a situation like that. Isabella Mazone writes, can you elaborate more about Charlie and his journey to Catholicism. Did Erica confirm that? I am going through a journey with Catholicism as well. And I think that they should be honest about that. Look, obviously, Erica confirmed it. I was always telling the truth. And I was, that was one of the first things I said. I was like, what was that weird Alex Clark thing? I was being attacked for no reason. And then I get these people doubling down it. And I know that they know that it's true that Charlie was going to mass. And I can't speak on

whether he was close to converting. That's a conversation. Like you said, Erica can speak on that. And there might be a time and a place for her to do that. I can only speak in the fact that I wasn't lying and that I was having those conversations with him. He was attending mass. And I do think from what I've been told that he was planning on signing up and starting that process, but I did not personally have that conversation with him. So that's third party. The right person to speak about that would be Erica. And I do think she should. I think she should because nobody was nastier to me than the Judeo Christians, the evangelical crowd, because I told the truth about conversations

that I have with Charlie about Catholicism. And none of them corrected the record. None of them said, I'm sorry. None of them said I didn't know what I was speaking about. They just kind of doubled and tripled down on attacking me, which is a repeat theme. I am always being attacked for telling with truth, and I just keep telling with truth.

So, yeah, what's the lie? Where is the lie? Where is the lie? Lastly, Lamp writes, how come Qatar is always used as the go-to punching bag by the media? Why does Qatar never even push back and Qatar seems to never attack Israel in a war of aggression or any sort of attack? Have they ever even done negative, anything negative toward Israel? Well, you know, Qatar recently came out and said, yeah, we work with Hamas because Israel and the United States asked us to. They asked us to play

the intermediary. And now we are being attacked for doing what they asked us to do, which sounds like the most absolute United States Israel thing ever, is to ask people to help. help you and then to be like, I'm so horrified by what they're doing. And I tend to believe that. I don't understand the weird Qatar thing. Like I said, I would take Katari money. I would. They haven't called me. It's deeply upsetting. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong, when I'm getting wrong, what I can do better to make them call me. I would be totally one of those people that's in the commercials. Have you seen like Katari Airlines is supposed to be amazing, apparently? And I would, I'd be in a commercial for Qatar Airlines. I don't mind somebody making that

an AI video and maybe sending that over to the Katari embassy and seeing if they want to hire me, I am open to being paid by Qatar. So I don't, I don't get it. I don't know why Jared Kushner and Zionists are allowed to go to Qatar, which happened recently and do deals with them. But for some reason, Candace and Tucker are not. It's just not fair. What do I have to do to be seen by Qatar? I guess it's a question for another day. We'll see you guys tomorrow. You know,